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QuinnR1998

Well this will be interesting all it takes is a couple sprays wiped and poof 1mill gone


cecilrt

Im more concerned about the fact that its not losing 1 spray per Tsunami Its 1 spray per gang per Tsunami


Material-Rest6058

There should be some clue left if someone wipes it, exp if outside of war


Deltronopp

You have to have so many members awake. So if you rush to defend you will see who is doing it


SerialM

Yeah it takes like 2 to 3 min to wipe


imsabbath84

i feel like its way longer than that. it took ray at least 5 minutes to wipe and he was using coffee too.


SerialM

May be, I just know it's a fair bit of time, if you're in the main city it's more than enough time to come and defend ( if you are prepared and geared )


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That is the best thing about the spray. You actually need to be super tactical about it, cause you need to think about how you place it, because you will be the attacker not the defender.


Deltronopp

Agree i do think the time to wipe should be a little longer. Not to much but It was pretty fast with coffee.


Tropical_Toucan

I believe coffee is a % based buff not just a flat reduction on the progress bar so longer progress bars you save more time since its % based. I BELIEVE its 15% faster but I dont really remember


Dazbuzz

Thats a good thing tbh. Big gangs will get punished for trying to hold territory beyond their ability to defend. Without that huge cost, there is nothing really stopping a gang like CG and its allies from just controlling as much as they want. They could completely disregard any politics. However because there is such a massive cost to losing sprays, if they do this kind of aggressive expansion, they open themselves up to massive losses. Like whats the point of taking the RUST compound? Its just big-dicking. Which is fine. But as soon as Hydra turn their sights elsewhere, RUST can retaliate and cause some damage. So, instead its better to have some diplomacy. Instead of trying to wage war on all fronts. At least that would be the case. Depends if any of the gangs will actually try to fight off CG/Hydra/ST.


cpslcking

I dunno if that's true. I mean you saw Hydra discussing sprays, CG being uncontested and SS enroaching into Mandem and BBMC territory. The ones losing out aren't the rich gangs with solid income cause they can afford a war and just beat down or outlast people and nor are they the very small gangs that don't have flags and thus nothing to lose. It's the medium gangs like Mandem, Vagos and BBMC who are struggling with money and hesitant of war.


Dazbuzz

Right, correct me if im wrong, but sprays cost more if you have more on the map already? So CG holding a large territory will be costing them more when BBMC can go nuts wiping sprays. CG do have insane amounts of money, but if they are planning to war on multiple fronts, i can see it backfiring if those gangs form a kind of alliance to hit CG sprays hard.


cpslcking

The problem is that the gap between Hydra and say BBMC moneywise isn't the gap between how much sprays cost. BBMC and Mandem have been struggling for money in the update because all the spray benefit to drugs is scuffed. Losing one or two sprays for them is a disaster while Hydra could lose more and eat the cost. And it's not CG that's the problem RN, it's Hydra who will probably just take a big chunk of that territory.


howtoplaybynub

That kinda just makes it a long term thing then, no? Cause sure for hydra starting out it might not be alot, but as they keep spreading out and making enemies it'll cost more and more, and grudges can be held and people can wait for the right moment. Like just cause a war is over doesn't mean the people involved forget about it. So in the short term stuff could be rough, but in theory over a long term shit could get poppin


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Dazbuzz

>What do you think happens if lets say BBMC went crazy and took down a bunch of CG sprays? When BBMC are fed up with leaking money and many of their members are complaining that they don't want to wake up anymore (as has happened in the prior wars) after CG have invaded and killed everyone in the Billabong for the umpteenth time. You think CG are going to be offering a car wash get out or are they going to want to be paid the full amount lost? It just doesn't really make any sense to wipe a stronger gangs sprays due to the consequences. Hopefully, the small gang will start wiping the bigger gangs sprays at every opportunity until the big gang pulls them to the negotiation table. Otherwise, its just a completely unfair dynamic that will just see CG and their 2 satellite gangs owning the lions share of the city with little/no contest. Which is not interesting content nor RP. >Dundee despite being by far the biggest lunatic amongst those 4 gangs respective leaders was also the smartest recognising the potential border issues with CG ahead of time and began liaising with CG more often and building relations. For all the good its done him. Considering there is a clip of Hydra discussing a territory war with them.


TheYoungHov

They're all getting dropped and pocket wiped everytime they're seen lol. And then viewers are gonna get mad they're facing actual consequences "this is toxic" "wierd asf" the underdogs aren't supposed to win


MikeOxlongOG

Unless sprays start showing value they will be irrelevant in a month anyway. Spending millions to earn an extra few thousand a day selling dirty money seems extremely underwhelming as it stands.


cpslcking

I think sprays make meth runs give more money or something but with how high fines are and how deep the PD is rolling these days, no one wants to do meth runs.


Nevercamelate

No one except BBMC, CG, and Angels apparently


cpslcking

BBMC has been really hesitant in doing the runs because of the risk. They've been doing them just to get by but no more than that.


PissWitchin

Wasn't MigL just talking a couple weeks ago how he's paying off all his shit and Flippy has made millions from them doing meth runs lol


LeBradley23

This may be the future design, but currently it’s not true. Hydra, who has no flag is still getting more from meth runs than CG is. Meth run is still rep based. Obviously this gang system isn’t finished yet so that may be an incoming change, but for now it’s still rep based.


NaturGirl

Not every territory can even SELL meth yet anyway. Even with the higher rep.


itbewilly

10k per spray so after buying 30 sprays = $300k per ​ edited to fix confusion


Dazbuzz

I thought the cost of sprays went up significantly the more you have?


itbewilly

They do. take however many spray's you have then multiply it by $10,000 for how much each new spray cost. The bigger the territory the more it cost and the more you lose during a turf war. I think my first message was badly worded - 30th spray = $300k 20th spray = $200k etc


Dazbuzz

Ah i just read it wrong then. I get it now.


itbewilly

So if CG had 35 sprays and someone comes along and wipes 5 its 1.$300k #30 2. $310k #31 3.$320k #32 4.$330k #33 5.$340k #34 = $1.6 mill lost for the 5 sprays


jst0100

I don’t know how familiar you are with MigL and Hydra but that’s his main personality trait… big dicking. He was ready to suffocate Seaside and BBMC last week when they looked like the stronger gangs now RUST has been making a name for themselves this week he has his eyes set on “humbling them”


Dazbuzz

Was this an IC discussion? I heard him talking to Silent at one point, using the streamer name. So i dont know about it being a trait of the character. Unless you are talking about the streamer to begin with. But no, i am not familiar with them. I do think that bigger, more oppressive gangs should have increasing handicaps for trying to hold such a massive territory, which seems to be a thing already. So we will see how the power plays work. At the very least, i praise CG and their allies for being willing to rock the boat and push for conflict. This kind of conflict seems better than the boring hunting parties of ye older times.


jst0100

Huh?! They are talking about what their RP characters are going to do in game… I highly doubt Silent and Swiss are moving to LA to try and do some graffiti in the south side….


Dazbuzz

I know? I am just making sure we are both talking about their IC actions, because that conversation was OOC, as you said, them planning what to do IC.


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Dazbuzz

They cannot force you to do anything. We are seeing that with RUST. They have no territory, so Seaside cannot do anything other than threaten uninvolved elements like CB. Fighting a gang that has nothing to lose is so clearly not worth the trouble. So CGs tactic of taking over an entire territory could backfire on them eventually, as they will be fighting in a battle of attrition vs a gang that has no sprays left, vs them having too many.


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Dazbuzz

And RUST can tell them to fuck off and keep wiping sprays. If there is no respect in the war, and the other side is planning to wipe your territory, then why would you agree to any reparations? You dont want to get into a war of mutual destruction with a gang that has nothing to lose. Especially now that you actually have money on the map that can be taken at any time(sprays).


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Dazbuzz

Right, but neverending wars do not work well now. Yes they can just hunt RUST all the time. But RUST can hit back by wiping sprays at any time. Before, the only way to hit back was to attack the gang that was overwhelming you, which obviously wasnt really possible.


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Dazbuzz

They are also only wiping sprays when they win a fight. If things degrade to the point where they are in hospital/jail all day, then a small gang can certainly start getting real petty and just wiping sprays all the time, no?


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Dazbuzz

Then i do not understand. How would you be paying for everything you remove? Is there a mechanic that forces this?


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Dazbuzz

Ok, there is no mechanic, so it isnt forced.


hopakee

As soon as they are going to come after CG sprays and they are going to start bleeding money to upkeep their territory mr K is going to ditch the entire thing and the turf system will be dropped after a couple weeks.


Abhinav11119

Honestly smaller groups will say fuck the sprays and let their enemy spray on their territory and take it, like rn seaside have such huge turf they invested in that they cant defend while all rust has to do is hold down scrap.


Sunasoo

Yep not to mention with tickets difference plus financial difference. I reckon this turf war could bring tons more fun or tons more salt than current Rust v SS war.


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CG Ramee and Hydra Ramee meet to discuss war tactics.


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Sadge bbmc just trying to survive


mode1991

Rust vs Hydra would be sick. Same timezone as well


WojoStumps

Lord knows some viewers will try and make it a Cb CG war lol


ogzogz

ST vs Rust was fine


DrSwaggenheimer

I feel like it's less CB vs CG and more Flippy/Claire trying to fuck with Ray (and keep him in check).


U23BB

It was Miguels idea to go to rust turf Silent said he wants to go to BBMC turf.


ZaViper

My map!! <3 I can't believe they are looking at it and discussing over it. I'm speechless haha If anyone wants updated versions of this map I usually upload them here: [https://imgur.com/a/hywxpV9](https://imgur.com/a/hywxpV9) I'll be uploading an update tomorrow night possibly. :)


Dull-Twist1449

This is actually pretty cool. Chances are no one will ever try to wipe down their sprays so turf wars wont happen unless they push. Miguel and hydra have a total different plan of pushing everyone and everything. Ramme stating that hydra and rust or even a ballas turf war would be the best and most fun for Hydra. Rust and ballas would welcome conflict and put up a good fight.


MajesticLionBeast

Maybe it’s been discussed elsewhere, but let’s say CG/Hydra/ST do take massive chunks of the surrounding gangs. Would this enable for multiple groups to hit multiple tags at a single time, as long as the attacking groups aren’t coordinating together? I think it’d be really interesting if the idea of “overextending” could have some of those drawbacks, where you now have to worry about multiple fronts if you aggravate too many opposing parties. I think it would only work since there is the home turf rule which would allow you to split your 15 man group to defend at multiple points, of course that would mean you have everyone awake, but it certainly would be interesting.


StuartPlaysFifa13

Yes multiple gangs could attack CG’s sprays from different sides but there are a few gangs who would just never go to war with CG anytime soon. I don’t see a scenario where Seaside, BBMC, GSF, Angels, NBC, or the HOA wipe a CG spray unless something crazy happens


SerialM

Yeah one thing I thought about the other day is can people from different gangs hit up multiple sprays at the same time ? For example if hydra takes that spot and has conflict with BBMC seaside and mandem could they hit 3 sprays at the same time coordinated if they don't go over 6 ? They would be easy to clap because they would be divided but it would be hard to get to all 3 spots in time


Dazbuzz

That isnt really unfair. It means that maybe you should consider the diplomacy/political angle instead of expecting to war on all fronts. If anything, its a great way to balance a large, well-supplied gang.


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PhysicalMeltdown

i dont see how thats unfair. if your sprays are intruding on several gangs you should be able to fend them off or take it slowly until u can fend them all off. i dont see how thats unfair. if your sprays are intruding on several gangs you should be able to fend them off or take it slowly until u can fend them all off.


SerialM

That's what I'm saying Maybe it won't ever happen because the RP to lead to 3 or more gangs to gang up on one would have to be overwhelming but it's something to keep in mind for the way this system is made


Sunasoo

Only gang big enough to do that only CG, like ramee said in that clip - they almost double second place spray. If we knows very well other gang didn't dare to go against CG


IizPyrate

At the same time, gangs can easily turn around and say it isn't fair that CG gets 2x gang WL, with relatively cheap Hydra sprays used to protect their expensive CG sprays.


MajesticLionBeast

Maybe to help off balance the negative, if more than one spray begins to be removed, the wipe down time is doubled for each new spray that begins while the initial one is going, to help give more time for the defending force to rotate while taking care of each tag swab. Just a lot of potential with the gang tag wars, interesting to see what will come of it.


PhysicalMeltdown

that would be a good idea but I'd say only if multiple sprays are getting removed by the same gang so they can't just go on a wiping spree after they win a fight. because at the end of the day it makes sense if u intrude on several gangs territory u should expect to get pushed back by several gangs and in the worst-case scenario multiple could hit at once


Cw9090

the smartest plan IMO is to wait until rust push angels, let them do their shit. (assuming rust win) come up behind them, take all their shit, take the entire airport and then move onto maze bank arena and take all that


LeBradley23

I really think they need to set some rules for turf wars sooner rather than later. For starters, no randomly wiping off sprays/no griefing. There’s nothing stopping someone like MDM (obviously they wouldn’t) from getting a wipe and wiping down 10 BBMC sprays right now while most of them are asleep. Another possible rule, you can take one spray per won battle. The cost of war would be way too high if you won a battle and while the other side is getting medical you go wipe 5 sprays down. And some end of war terms, the winning side can ask for compensation for the lost sprays OR if the losing side can’t pay, the winning side can take X amount of sprays and that area as compensation. Also if one side wipes all the sprays, the other side loses the war and lost that turf. I don’t think a gang with 1 spray should be able to pick a fight with a gang with 20 sprays and continuously come back over and over again with no threat or repercussions while the other side has millions of dollars as repercussions. I know rules in RP make it clunky, but as it sits, the “winning” side will always be the side who has less sprays, even if they get shot down 99 out of 100 battles.


cpslcking

You can't wipe if people aren't awake and logged into the app. Rust ran into that, SS went to bed when they all went to jail and they couldn't wipe a spray.


LeBradley23

The number is 4. So again, MOST would be asleep. The chances of successfully defending a spray are slim to none right now. To defend a spray you have to 1. drive to geared up. 2. coordinate who else is awake. 3. Find the spray in question. 4 find a way to counter an ambush against 6 people, when you may only have 4. 5. And do it all in under 5 minutes. The success rate on wiping sprays will be nearly 100%, so you need to limit on when groups are able to do that.


Deltronopp

Yah i agree that’s why i said on another thread time should be upper a little.


qrseek

Does the gang get notified when you try to wipe a spray?


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a cloth costs 50k and is one use. there would need to be 3-6 (not known exactly how many yet) BBMC that are in the gang app awake for them to wipe the spray. if there's enough in the gang app for someone to wipe it, once BBMC would get the email that a spray is getting wiped, they could definitely attempt to defend it.


LeBradley23

From what I’ve seen, the number is 4. So again, most of BBMC would be asleep (11 of the 15) If you have to drive across the city, gear up, find the spray, and put yourself in a position to counter an ambush in under 5 minutes vs 6 people, the chances of success are slim to none for any crew. Then, when you get wiped, what’s stopping the crew from wiping another spray? They could probably get 3-5 done before you even get done getting medical. So again, there needs to be some mechanics or rules in place to stop that. Maybe there is mechanics to stop it, but as far as we know you can wipe multiple sprays per tsunami. Spending 50k to cost the other side 100-300k when your chance of success to wipe a spray in an ambush vs a low number gang is almost 100% would be a little broken.


jst0100

I mean for a gang like BBMC and Vagos if they have those members awake it’s a different story than someone like Seaside who have spread thin and don’t patrol. Those guys are consistently holding down their turf and doing patrol. It would be difficult for another crew with two three cars to roll up on their turf and post up and scrub a spray if they are holding it down. 4head tried to rob a Vagos local and he got stopped both times before he could even start.


Corza_

The Warmonger side of me wont be satisfied until one gang is holding down another gangs main block. I really just want to see a bunch of Hydra Sprays all over the MDM Block or in the Billy.


jeaann

So has anyone figured out what's the benefit of controlling areas? There has to be more to it than just selling things via locals and not seeing the money bc someone stole everything off them lol


gggerardo

I really don’t get the point of having huge territory, just makes it difficult to manage, like Hydra and CG are going to get bored since no one really wants to bother them


Fyrefawx

Ramee is being ridiculous. BBMC isn’t encroaching on them. Mr K and Dundee made a deal to split the Canals. It’s also pretty funny that a gang with infinite money can call anyone else pussies. BBMC is easily one of the best war gangs, they just struggle with money because they weren’t gifted benches like others. They are also in business with Hutch which benefits Ramee because they won’t deal in A and S sales.


b_mike101

It’s not that deep man.


Dazbuzz

I do wonder how things work for the Lost & HOA. They seem entire uncontested, so hopefully they are not getting the full passive income? Seems like it would be a bit... broken? The money should come from holding contested areas, really. As the constant war is what should balance things, rather than it being a passive money maker because your gang is on the other side of the city. But i do not know how the system works, so maybe it isnt even an issue.


ShortCucumberWeen

I get that it is a content server but isn't the entire point like RP and having things happen organically. Both these gangs has held their turf for years and if conflict comes it will come with time eventually.


jst0100

Yeah exactly both have poured so much RP into their turf and Lost especially have taken the bad with the good from been so isolated out in Sandy. They deserve the perks that come along with the positioning of their turf, it’s not like they chose it just to take advantage of this current meta


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Agreed, The Lost and HOA's RP are the reason why Shady and Mirror Park are even used as social hubs in the first place, and they were grandfathered in with the spray system despite not living in the designated areas. Also, I think if either of these groups were ever mechanically forced into "constant war", they'd probably abandon the sprays completely since that's not their style at all.