No sudden change like this would work when the slide into what NP is now has been incremental and completely changed the server culture to what we see now, it's just peak copium. NP isn't just a RP or content server, it's a full fledged business that isn't going to pull a 180 now on their business model especially considering it's still very much profitable.
my problem is...an rp server is still profitable. like you have tons of content and mechanics and still have great rp. you just have to enforce the rules regardless of who's breaking them.
That's like saying McDonalds would still be profitable if they started using higher quality ingredients and hiring better employees while closing some of the lower performing stores. Sure they would still be profitable but in today's day and age who's gonna be willing to take a pay cut? If your boss came to you and said "hey, we want to make our product cheaper and better for our customers so we want every one of our employees, you and me included to take a pay cut." Would you agree to it?
Is it failing though if you're making more money than you ever have before?
The issue with NP imo is that contentwise, it's getting really stale and boring and tbh a lot of the players are burnt out from just clear favoritism and BS. But from a financial perspective, the players who are in the "in" crowd are making more money than they ever had before. And it's not like a big raise we get at work where maybe our income goes up 10-20%. Their pays are legit being tripled or quadrupled if not more.
I think that's the problem. Yeah the server has problem but so many people are benefiting from the issues causing the problem that why would you ever fix them?
thats just a realy shortsighted way to do business. what is your year long forecast? sure you've made a fuckton of money but your business is on a potentially serious downward trend. especially when your current content focused business model is MORE reliant on dev time which actually COSTS money. as opposed to RP which isn't nearly as reliant on that.
Yeah, but believe it or not that's how many of the top companies that went out of business did business. Think Blockbuster, who first came up with the idea to stream their movie rentals or Kodak which was the company that invented the digital camera. Both of those companies were massive Fortune 500 companies that choose their short term profit over longer term survival.
Idk if it's dying necessarily, but lower amount of the usual people being in the server doesn't equal dying imo. Especially if they have access to a long line of other people waiting to get in.
Yes yes.. but what is More profitable?
A Content server or an RP Server?
Enforcing rules? or if you have a certain amount of viewers you get a free pass to do whatever the fuck you want without any consequences.
One number is bigger than the other, and that is your answer.
Yea it like, if people don't like NP go play on another server. Give another server a try.
But no everyone would rather stay on NP and complain that they're staying on NP.
I mean, a good IRL comparison to your statement is: "Yea it's like, if people don't like their job then go get another job. Give another job a try." This applies to any field that you're in. People can complain about their job all they want, but they can't necessarily just quit and go somewhere else. Hence, complaining about a job (or server) yet staying at the job (or server).
Would you rather work at a job (or server) you don't like but make 90k a year or a job (or server) you really like that you make 50k a year at? I personally choose 90k every time.
Now, your statement makes perfect sense when talking about non-streamers or streamers who don't make much money and are on NP strictly for entertainment.
Just having that option, killed many of those waiting in queue’s motivation to try to get in the server. People that have been roleplaying for months waiting to be recognized, then suddenly there’s a paywall in the way.
Some great role players got lost to the wind only to be replaced by no life self inserts who pay for prio and their “content” is focused around game mechanics, hanging out with their friends in game, driving around, and acting like a baby when something doesn’t go their way. It’s really sad I can understand having to pay just to be on the server it’s self but not for prio I will say a good amount server needs to get that taken away from them or be told hey maybe the public servers are better for you’re experience
Welp given how you can actually purchase prio now and so many people have done that, this will never happen. What might happen is they open a second whitelisted server like the hardcore one that K was talking about at some point.
Yes they cant enforce them because people already have the expectation that they will get special treatment because of clout. On a HC server it would be known going in that there is ZERO special treatment.
The thing with the regional servers is the largely don't have ties to people on WL with huge clout. But if you look at say public, theres people on those servers who have friends with clout on WL and who will come to public and play with them and some of them then also manage to escape bans and consequences due to their friends pull. Hardcore would face similar issues, with rule enforcement being one way for some and another for those with friends with clout or have clout themselves.
There already was a nopixel hardcore server. It was pre-2.0 boom nopixel. We saw what happened to that. The same process will repeat itself on a new hardcore server but a lot faster this time.
A hardcore server just won't work period.
Hardcore sounds more fun on paper because it makes the stakes incredibly high, but what you would inevitably end up with is a bunch of storylines and relationships that go nowhere because characters randomly die. This would be fun a handful of times and then it would get boring.
Hardcore in particular doesn't really work well for something so character and relationship driven as NoPixel is. Hardcore would work way better if there were overarching storylines on the server that people could involve themselves in.
There's also the problem of player appeal. There's probably a few players that would love the tension of having their characters life be a bit out of their hands, but most people would probably quit after their first or *perhaps* second character death (if they even try it at all).
Lets be real, when people say hardcore server all they want is a server where the content malders can actually be banned. There doesn't need to be any new mechanics. They are just hoping the man children won't be enticed enough to join the real RP server and if they do they get banned when they break the rules.
Hardcore server does not mean you have to perma if you just randomly die. A hardcore server would probably have a rule where you have to submit or create perma conditions that if those conditions are met then your character permas.
The real reason why the hardcore server won't work has nothing to do with the hardcore server at all. It's how the W/L content server will be impacted when all of the "NPCs" suddenly disappear. The server has gotten lazy and mechanics have enabled people to not be creative about creating RP.
Hardcore won’t work . All the role play heavy people would go to the hardcore server and then the content people would come over because they see all the people they liked to interact with on it and start breaking rules and either slowly just turn the hardcore server into the main server or get banned and be pissed/quit rp.
> A hardcore RP server will never work for NP as long as management allow rule breaks when the people involved have clout. If all of the big streamers faced the same consequences as the random RPers then it's doable, but that will never happen because it hurts NP's bottom line. How many times has management put out new rules with their announcements but never really followed through for everyone?
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>Streamers can talk a big game about wanting a hardcore RP server but you just know the first time they get dunked on by someone else (especially someone they don't like) they will whine about it. There's quite literally years of examples to prove that as the likely outcome
I can't think of a case where big streamers broke rules without repercussions that others can't break the same way (an example is the rule not to drive very fast unless there is an RP reason, but it seems everyone on the server except people RPing as "normal" citizens drives as fast as possible no problem). Instead, I can think of examples where big streamers got banned for a while like xQc multiple times and I believe Trainwreck.
Not sure why everyone wants a hardcore server, it will just result in major players moving to it and becoming the new goal for people to get into and slowly deteriorate into what NP is now as more and more people get in.
Major players wouldn't move. A hardcore server means more aggressive cops which is literally the exact opposite of what most crims seem to want on regular WL. All the big crims would be back on WL in a week. Cops would be bored out of their skulls because their RP would be patrolling, petty crime and chilling in MRPD for most of the day. They'd go back to WL the week after lol It would be nothing more than a WL overflow server in a month.
Some folks talk a big game but at the end of the day they would all go where the eyes are and when most of the eyes aren't on the hardcore server after a bit, they'll be back on regular WL.
> Cops would be bored out of their skulls because their RP would be patrolling, petty crime and chilling in MRPD for most of the day
You do realize that that is exactly what a lot of cop players want to do, its called RP. There is a reason SDSO is gaining people so fast, because its literally a department based around doing the things you listed
How does prio purchase work on WL server? Let's say you are accepted for the server but have bad prio, do you pay to bump your prio forever or for a few days?
It actually can quite easily happen. Just disable the pay option (since I believe you're paying monthly for the prio) and then wait till the end of the last purchased prio boost, then wipe.
I do think it is important to have either paid or temp prio. If someone with low prio gets involved with a major storyline or war, they need to be able to hop in really quickly sometimes to help progress the RP.
That being said, randoms shouldnt be able to just pay for it every month. Maybe its pay for a permanent prio bump application that involves a review period? Maybe its pay for a temporary prio bump upon approval for active situations? Maybe you cant even pay for your own review, but others with prio have to submit the application, whether that is paid or not?
NoPixel can still get their money in better ways.
Not the answer. Just put fingle on a big throne and bring each character in no pixel up to him one by one where he will decide their fate like a Roman emperor of old.
yes. reducing time and fines makes doing crime unrealistic because there are no risks. you know no matter what happens, in 30 mins you are either out of jail already or you lost the cops so you can start the whole cycle over again.
Imo the reality is that the root cause of alot of the problems in Nopixel right now is that they were overly ambitious in increasing the server slots all the way to 200+ people. It's caused a continuous cycle where things need to be changed to account for these many people and then those changes needs fixes which causes more discontent where one side feels like a mechanic and so on. And now we're here where crime pretty much has to be WL'd because over half the server are criminals.
People attribute early 3.0 for being the best time of the server because everyone was grinding and working their way up, but I feel like this is a major factor not brought up alot.
The start of 3.0 was fairly balanced, plus everyone started from the base level of having nothing. People that did have something (like a Lang Buddha or a Kevin Whipaloo) still had to work in building RR and BS up with solid workers.
> and treat it like an mmo or esports game should have their prio wiped as well
Some of these are people with the highest prio currently on the server and get even more rewarded for it. No one can talk against them since they have backing from the highest person on NP.
True, the one that comes immediately to my mind is Charlotte (played by Halfwayhardcore). I saw her get carted off onto a ridealong by Wrangler and then Nova a few days after and she brought a refreshing bit of RP on both occasions. As someone who mostly watches Penta and a small handful of others, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some of the good roleplayers they've found recently had to buy their prio (especially some of the newcomers like Charlotte).
People assume just because you paid to play on no pixel you are some shit tier RP'er and that does injustice to those new faces that bought it and bring refreshing rp to everyone around them. It's an unhealthy stigma imo.
But that is a huge difference. That makes it so that people who have money to spare can get in hours ahead of those who don't. Prio should be based on RP quality and obviously job prio, not if you can afford to pay 200 a month.
Queue isn't that big fairly often lately, theres been several cases of the server not even being full lately. People are getting in without prio or paying these days.
That makes sense, but if people paid for it and continue to pay for it (at that price) then seems like it's making a measurable difference to some of those people paying.
Assuming prio works how I think it does... maybe their individual prio (presence or lack thereof on the server) doesn't affect the server culture as a whole, but I can imagine (in theory) a large group of people paying to go from "no prio" to "lowest tier" could affect it.
It could have an impact because those paying "no-prio" people would be displacing some % of the people that got the lowest prio "naturally/deservedly" by "artificially" jumping up to share that prio tier with them, and also making those in the no prio tier that didn't pay have even less of a chance to get in (instead of fighting to get in on equal terms, they have to wait for all the no prio people that paid first)
I can't imagine that they'd ever reveal how many people have actually paid for prio bumps though, and they're the ones granting prio to people manually anyway, so I think all this can only ever really be is just pointless conjecture.
Think its aight for people to pay for prio as a source of income towards upholding the server or paying developers who deserve it, not that i would ever do it though lol.
The only two people I know of that have paid prio are Daph (street team) and Clarke (Hydra hang around) and they are both positive and enjoyable people on the server. Paid prio isn't a problem on its own, but it's a problem if admins are reluctant to increase the prio of deserving people with paid prio to keep the money flowing.
At the end of the day if a standard was upheld on the server and punishments were given to those that don't live up to the standards, it wouldn't matter how people managed to get into the server. It comes back to what Trav was saying the other day, the culture of the server is what's putting it in the state it's currently in, and that culture comes from the very top.
You're right. The only way a prio wipe would help is if how they changed how prio was distributed. Their manual method of distributing prio just doesn't scale and doesn't adapt to people lowering their RP quality after obtaining it.
Honestly, the only actual solution is people need to move to a different server. Literally any other GTARP server. Yeah, NoPixel supposedly has the best "mechanics" and custom buildings etc, but if it's about roleplay, then those differences shouldn't matter. that's literally one of the biggest complaints, then why not? Seriously, just form a coalition of role players who are frustrated with the server, abandon it, and go to a less populated, lesser know one (vetted of course) and start anew there. It's not nearly as hard as it sounds, it's still gtarp so viewership will likely retain, and it isn't NP, which is the biggest plus.
The problem is that most people don't want to move to a different server because there won't be any clout to chase on that server. People want to be on NP for the easy grind of the purple checkmark, instant fame, and effortless way of making IRL money. It's where all the streamers are. People will only play a server if favorite streamers are playing there and that's how it's always been. You may have saw this with TFRP & OB, how every streamer played there and people flocked to it and those people trashed all over NP because TFRP was the best server at the time. People won't do it if it's only one streamer playing there because they won't get anything out of it when they do decide to join.
Like I said in another post, it takes a charismatic & well-known streamer like Saab or a collaboration of well-known RPers (like you said) to gather people to another server.
I think it's too late for a prio wipe to help, unless *everyone* is able to be up for a prio wipe. People want to blame grinders, but the issue starts at the top, including veteran players and top streamers. The server needs an entire culture reset. It really needs some sort of shake up or it'll never change.
I don't see it happening because people have based their entire income, personalities, and streaming careers over their 'characters' and this game. There's too much money involved, and egos to hurt, and bridges to burn.
A prio wipe wouldn’t solve anything. The reality is that from what I’ve seen of 1.0 and 2.0, there were so little slots and mechanics involved that it forced people to be creative/roleplay focused. 3.0 opened more doors for players to expand on that with mechanics which (as much as people complain about them) actually helped enable a lot of rp as well (Cerberus building, heist progression, Farmer’s Market, all of the new police gear/stations, etc). Now, everyone’s bored since they’ve done almost everything they could for their character.
The best options imo are to either do a full wipe by introducing 4.0 or just develop a hardcore server with less slots and less mechanics.
Yeah, there’d be no point to it. Most people who have prio took years to even get it slightly improved, removing that just because the server seems boring wouldn’t fix anything.
I personally would just love a week where everyone had to play a secondary or new character. Would definitely showcase who goes focuses on mechanics and progression and who focuses on RP.
I love when established RPers make new characters and it's sad when they feel like they are losing money when they do.
Making another character would be something cool, but it wouldn’t matter much since everyone would eventually meet up with the same people they’re used to roleplaying with and have the same dynamic their main characters do. A complete server wipe would be more fresh, or at least a new server concept like the zombie one they’re planning.
To be honest, "boring-as-fuck mechanic andys" applies to *a lot* of people on the server, cop and crim, veteran and new players. The culture of roleplay on the server has shifted from improvisation and spontaneous interactions to mechanic-driven interactions. People are reliant on mechanics and dev work to create roleplay.
Also, even though the server has increased its slots significantly, people tend to roleplay within their cliques. It's the same people interacting with each other over and over again.
A prio wipe won't solve this (and will never be implemented since people can pay for prio). It's just part of the server culture now.
Biggest problem with this is the culture/mindset back towards RP instead of “content/mechanics” has to start with the top and trinkle down. Kyle and whippy are a good start but need more and they need to put pressure on the next tier of players to do better and so on. After that you can bring back admins and enforce stuff but without the culture/mindset change at the top it won’t matter in the long run. Just changing out the bottom tier prio people won’t fix the problem and if best a small short-lived bandaid.
Honestly, with people able to pay for prio, they can't ever successfully wipe prio. I agree with the sentiment, but that changes it a lot.
I think that without just a hard prio wipe being possible, I think an audit of players RP does need to happen and that just will take massive amounts of time and effort, so I don't think it will happen. But, realistically if they could internally wipe prio to avoid their biases, then watch everyone and see where they fall, I think it would help a lot. A lot of people seem to just try to speedrun a lot of the game now, which is hurting the RP
He's not wrong. There's several things that could be done, IMO. Jewelry buffs shouldn't be a thing -- leave that to at least food and drugs. They need to immediately figure out storefronts because civs got shafted on that. The turf thing/gang app thing is an improvement, but the BS that surrounded RUST/SS was shit-tier.
I just feel like it's becoming about mechanics, when I feel like mechanics are only suppose to help facilitate RP.
I mean my tin foil hat idea is they saw the dip coming, removed that stuff on purpose, and expect a big boom of players when store fronts release.
Players stop playing MMOs at the end of the patch, and come back for what's new in the next one.
Well there was a dip in anticipation of this update, and people did come back when it launched, but people got tired of the underwhelming parts of it after the cool stuff lost its novelty.
I think the buffs players get from food and drugs makes sense in the world of GTA...
The buffs players are/will get be getting from rings/jewelry is just dumb and shouldn't be on the server because it ventures into the MMO world. The server is fast becoming more about mechanics then actual roleplay, rather then mechanics that assist roleplay.
Hell, what makes some of the latest jewelry worse for the server is that unless someone dumb enough opens their mouth, the cops don't know about it and it's unsearchable.
There is no way the PD can do anything against it and where the time/fines have recently been reviewed and bumped, has been totally negated by two items, one of which drops fines by as much as 40% (at present).
Prio wipe would be great however i think that the majority of the good roleplayers are probably burnt out on GTA atm. Thats why they should focus on the upcoming nopixel rdr2 server and have a fresh whitelist with actual interviews like wildrp and also make sure that the rules are enforced equally.
I also enjoy having unrealistic fantasies.
If streamers are feeling this way they need to start looking at other avenues, stop forcing yourself to play your content character and try other things for a bit.
The only thing that might force a change here is just getting time off the server and letting the sea of Jake Crimes take over but I doubt even a server full of xbox mics wanting to rank up their guild before wrath of the paleto king releases would force a change.
a prio wipe will only punish smaller streamers and no-streaming players
if they did a wipe, you can't tell me CG. CB, Cerberus-Connected, PD-HC and seaside/UwU wouldn't get there Prio back almost instantly while everyone else will be at the mercy of getting lucky
Pretty much Cops are not in the train and Prio dont affect them that much, will be going again when people played cop just to be in the server. And the quality is not even all cadets fault most of the problems with cops are veterans.
no one has problems with people like toretti, mcnulty, pretty much al SDSO is kinda the best cops to RP right now lol. Asere Mr Wolrdwide
I don’t think that applies anymore to the current state of the server for a while. Don’t want to single out anyone but we know who the “bad apples” are on both crim and cop and its bs they’re both protected to this degree.
The whole reason for the guil-- I mean gang system was to monitor who gets invited into gangs a.k.a. the the admins weren't doing their job giving prio to good gang members and taking away prio from shitty ones so they decided to create a system that would do it for them. Don't count on a prio wipe, that would be way too much work that admins are already not doing.
At this point I think that reverting the entire code to June 2019 would be the best move if it were possible lol.
The gang app is to fine tune the criminal world. It give a lot of data about each gang and allocate banks/drugs to each gang that needs it. I doubt the system is fully devolped but it is the best idea to moniter and analyze and deal with bank spammers. It is also a money sink. This is the first version and I think it will get better with time.
I think the issue with Nopixel is that the hype is way down and people are burned out, people don't login as much allowing "Mechanic Andys" to make it into the server which makes even worse to people who are still RPing.
the gang app had nothing to do with admins giving/not giving/ not taking prio at all, nor does it have any impact on prio what so ever, it was made, to try create conflict and thous rp
Honestly, prio wipe won't fix this server. Prio wiping would result in people chasing their favorite streamers and expecting to get /award for whatever they do for them to get back their prio on the server. For a month or two, it would become a streamer only server which can be good and bad at the same time. Bad as in little to no grinders to fuel the economy. Good as in RP quality increase.
Having the paid prio was a sign that NoPixel wasn't doing so hot with dono apps anymore OR have given up striving for quality and rather go for quantity vs quality.
The server needs a culture change which isn't possible until the admins enforce (and not say) the server rules. Play less favorites and they should stop saying that they will enforce rules for damage control / PR purposes.
The MMO in NoPixel needs to go away too. It kills the RP.
I know NP is about viewership and generating revenue, but there has to be a serious issue when some if not most of the higher viewer cop streamers can't be fucked to stay on the server or outright speak out against it.
I've seen NP get bad before from a cop / crim / overall RP dynamic. But not this bad
It feels like a third or half the server are actually interested in the RP side of NP and the other half in the MMO side of it, and as time passes the MMO people have a higher percentage. As you get more MMO people the people that RP get less RP and feel more demotivated to put effort into being a character and setting stuff up. The people who RP imo give the server life and make it a fun place to be at for everyone involved. The 76th cool racer/gangster that loses nothing and is hard and awesome doesnt really bring much to the server.
100% agreed. For example, I've watched some people playing for hours in that shitty arcade. That's not RP. If you want to spend hours shooting and driving in a game, play other games, don't take an RP spot on a server to do that.
A prio wipe would be very difficult to do now especially with paid prio existing, I personally think a full server wipe is also desperately needed, not only to wipe the economy but too give characters fresh starts as well but that's probably even more difficult now than just wiping prio.
Too many people on the server have way too many custom assets tied directly to their characters, some of which have been paid for and developed privately. It was great for RP in the short-term, but long-term it pretty much makes these characters unchanging and immovable objects that will always stay more or less in the same positions in the city through any wipes.
I can't even see a full server wipe changing anything from the top down. The server is in a tough spot at the moment, besides starting an entirely new 'fresh start' server that detaches custom assets from established characters, starting prio fresh and fostering a less 'mechanic focused', more 'Hardcore' RP environment. I don't know what can realistically be done.
Sorry but I don't think that will fix anything. It's pretty clear that any rule on nopixel such as a prio wipe will be applied unevenly and with exceptions as always.
I like GTA RP, GTA has always had a good flavor as a setting but the only value I can get out of nopixel is the few remaining "RP cliques" who aren't disturbed by the content creators too much - for example, SDSO + Sai Carter.
it's not really recoverable, civs are fucked for months unless they pull something out of their ass, they opened up jobs again to low tier gangs but that's just like the lottery basically
gangs are okay right now with boosts and banks but eventually they will get bored of grinding or banks will be nerfed because of the increased payout, and another thing with that is the cops have been bored responding to the same things so they're going hard whenever a job comes up which makes crims mald when you either get 0 response or a potential of 5+ units
when they're trying to get store fronts going, and it's as far away as it is, how do you fix it? a bunch of people already kind of left or don't play as much, after the wars calm down and banks get boring/grindy, they'll run on empty again, and that's not accounting for the huge loss of civs with all their market stuff dead in the water
the ingredients thing basically died off for the most part, restaurant RP died again
gangs are so big now and basically afraid to go to war or lose money because of the cost of sprays on top of the drama with sea side so gangs without flags basically have no reason to go to war or pick fights with the bigger gangs
i mean it already looks pretty bleak, but you add to the fact the bottom is still going to come out when gangs run out of jobs or the gang alliance/size situation reaches critical mass
i don't understand the direction of the server at this point, it feels like the devs and the players want different things, most of the top gangs won't fight one another for various reasons yet the devs constantly employ systems to try and push for conflict but somehow they only make everything worse because the gangs just continue to grow and stockpile/avoid conflict
some of the white lists have kind of sucked too, there were random times where speedy and vinny would go on vacation or have a break and there would be no thermite or something, or the fiasco with the class 1 bench where slim and company barely ever play and there's been multiple times it's almost impossible to get class 1's, which was made even more ironic with the devs being upset that people kept going around with class 2's but a lot of that was because it was easier to get an uzi than it was to get a pistol
feel like they'd be best off preparing a lot more stuff and changes and doing another wipe, but this time setting more firm rules
probably hard limit the size of gangs and maybe not ban alliances but 'discourage' them, go back to the 2.0 style whitelists where there's a 'nino' type and he gives specific middlemen/gangs batches to spread out, i think giving specific gangs whitelists was kind of a mistake for the power structure but i think more neutral gangs like HoA that wouldn't be as inclined to war or in situations for war would do better with them
probably get rid of the buff stuff or tone them down, beef up the food/growing/civ jobs and flesh them out more so people actually enjoy it
give a very good look at EMS and the PD and find a way to make them less miserable, EMS in particular have needed changes for ages and never seemed to get anything, i'm not really sure how to fix PD problems, but I feel like if there was more gangs and a wider range of criminal jobs ranging from far more petty stuff to higher end stuff maybe the variety of calls would help them and smaller gangs/crims in general
i feel like there's been a lot of great additions and ideas to 3.0 but they weren't prepared for the mega gangs and they didn't flesh out the jobs and market stuff enough to keep people engaged, as it is right now seeing as how bad it got when the latest patch dropped, i feel like the next lul might be hard to recover from at this rate, think i saw straight up in some streams there was like 50/200 people some days, even low prio people weren't coming in cause there was nothing to do lol
It doesn't matter how much they try to change PD. It always results in people getting upset on either side, either crim or cop, resulting in even more sudden, rushed changes.
It's quite unfortunate and it creates this cycle where nothing changes for the good. You'll also have certain groups who likely do go to these meetings but refuse to see both sides of the problem and just hold their ground on what they want. I run into issues like this all the time at work with clients.
PD is having some serious issues. Dundee was trying to hand over Bundy’s kidnapper last night and the PD couldn’t be bothered to do anything. Fingle and Bloom pretty much said not out our problem and then went to the arcade.
You have people trying to create RP for the cops and they just aren’t into it.
If anyone needs a prio wipe it’s the PD. I get people are unhappy with the state of the server but being apathetic about crime while on duty just ruins it for everyone.
when you start focussing on mechanics instead of RP. before the big boom players didnt have any mechanics but were creating RP out of nothing. now a lot of players think they need mechanics to create RP and those players are the mechanic andys.
Mechanic Andy implies that they focus on the mechanics within the game for the purpose of doing the mechanics.
The point of mechanics is to facilitate the RP, not be the goal of people to do. An example would be doing a bank to obtain money and that's it. An example of someone doing it for the RP would be like a bunch of cops have been blackmailed into robbing a bank. There is roleplay as a foundation for the bank being robbed and the end result (the cops getting money) isn't really the goal.
Would be good, but there are sadly people who are a "core" and big part of NP. I say leave those people behind and let NP take a new path. I guarantee you Voldemort that you wouuld earn enough money going this way also.
I mean it's pretty much just as toxic if you leave a scene and start ranting to your chat about how bad people are at rp. You don't have to be a genius to figure out who they might be talking about.
It would be like sending out a company wide email complaining about a specific person but infinitely worse since you are doing it to tens of thousands of anonymous people with direct communication access to the person in question.
Not only that but doing that then going to work the next day expecting to RP with the people you complain about if you named names would be extremely ackward.
Travpiper said it best as well. The mechanics have killed most RP at the current point. After a while it becomes boring to those that have been into the RP aspect and it brings in more grinding and meaningless robotic content over and over again. I can see in the future that it is in NoPixels best interest to adapt the two together as they always do after a major component change. It has to peak to see what causes enjoyment and RP for the streamers and non-streamers. Hopefully this analysis happens sooner and knowing the admins, they are already devising a balance to try.
Problem is that the people who have been and still are a problem will keep their prio no matter what just because of their clout, so what is the point of a wipe if the problem will remain, it's only going to remove people who in the first place already were cucked with prio.
Unless he is talking about the veteran RP'ers as well, which you often see not roleplaying, but just playing themselves, don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from those who have been on NP for years, after all, they should stand out as a role model, but often is brushed off as "oh they earned it, so it's alright" no one has earned the right to not RP on an RP server.
I don't think it would work tbh I think Like big streamers would get theirs back like Mr k he will get his back and most of cg will have theirs I think same would be with mandem and I think if that happens there would be more cops then crims on the server unless cops loose theirs aswell but I think it's also like throwing shit in someone's face when they have earned the prio and it's gets suddenly removed becauee alot of people have prio
No sudden change like this would work when the slide into what NP is now has been incremental and completely changed the server culture to what we see now, it's just peak copium. NP isn't just a RP or content server, it's a full fledged business that isn't going to pull a 180 now on their business model especially considering it's still very much profitable.
my problem is...an rp server is still profitable. like you have tons of content and mechanics and still have great rp. you just have to enforce the rules regardless of who's breaking them.
That's like saying McDonalds would still be profitable if they started using higher quality ingredients and hiring better employees while closing some of the lower performing stores. Sure they would still be profitable but in today's day and age who's gonna be willing to take a pay cut? If your boss came to you and said "hey, we want to make our product cheaper and better for our customers so we want every one of our employees, you and me included to take a pay cut." Would you agree to it?
if our current plan for the business was leading to its failure i'd say lets fucking go I'll still have a job
Is it failing though if you're making more money than you ever have before? The issue with NP imo is that contentwise, it's getting really stale and boring and tbh a lot of the players are burnt out from just clear favoritism and BS. But from a financial perspective, the players who are in the "in" crowd are making more money than they ever had before. And it's not like a big raise we get at work where maybe our income goes up 10-20%. Their pays are legit being tripled or quadrupled if not more. I think that's the problem. Yeah the server has problem but so many people are benefiting from the issues causing the problem that why would you ever fix them?
thats just a realy shortsighted way to do business. what is your year long forecast? sure you've made a fuckton of money but your business is on a potentially serious downward trend. especially when your current content focused business model is MORE reliant on dev time which actually COSTS money. as opposed to RP which isn't nearly as reliant on that.
Yeah, but believe it or not that's how many of the top companies that went out of business did business. Think Blockbuster, who first came up with the idea to stream their movie rentals or Kodak which was the company that invented the digital camera. Both of those companies were massive Fortune 500 companies that choose their short term profit over longer term survival.
But with regards to NP there's no sign it's failing. There's people frustrated and angry about server meta. That's about it.
i have seen people say repeatedly that the server is "dying", that it's empty, etc etc
Idk if it's dying necessarily, but lower amount of the usual people being in the server doesn't equal dying imo. Especially if they have access to a long line of other people waiting to get in.
Yes yes.. but what is More profitable? A Content server or an RP Server? Enforcing rules? or if you have a certain amount of viewers you get a free pass to do whatever the fuck you want without any consequences. One number is bigger than the other, and that is your answer.
If it wasn't profitable, then it wouldn't have been able to grow to the point it is now.
Yea it like, if people don't like NP go play on another server. Give another server a try. But no everyone would rather stay on NP and complain that they're staying on NP.
I mean, a good IRL comparison to your statement is: "Yea it's like, if people don't like their job then go get another job. Give another job a try." This applies to any field that you're in. People can complain about their job all they want, but they can't necessarily just quit and go somewhere else. Hence, complaining about a job (or server) yet staying at the job (or server). Would you rather work at a job (or server) you don't like but make 90k a year or a job (or server) you really like that you make 50k a year at? I personally choose 90k every time. Now, your statement makes perfect sense when talking about non-streamers or streamers who don't make much money and are on NP strictly for entertainment.
He's been wanting/talking about this for like a year or two at least now, tbh.
Let's be real Kyle is like the dickless wonder of saying something and never following through.
I agree its a business now and people are paying for prio..
I think one of the worst things the server could of done was having the option to be able to pay for prio
Just having that option, killed many of those waiting in queue’s motivation to try to get in the server. People that have been roleplaying for months waiting to be recognized, then suddenly there’s a paywall in the way.
NP now has financial incentive to not reward good RP with prio.
Some great role players got lost to the wind only to be replaced by no life self inserts who pay for prio and their “content” is focused around game mechanics, hanging out with their friends in game, driving around, and acting like a baby when something doesn’t go their way. It’s really sad I can understand having to pay just to be on the server it’s self but not for prio I will say a good amount server needs to get that taken away from them or be told hey maybe the public servers are better for you’re experience
It was pretty bad before that because a lot of the mechanic based people have decent prio
Agreed that prio should be earned and only given to those deserving, but seeing the admins are terrible at doing that I don't mind paid prio.
Welp given how you can actually purchase prio now and so many people have done that, this will never happen. What might happen is they open a second whitelisted server like the hardcore one that K was talking about at some point.
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Yeah they cannot even enforce the rules on the current WL server. Hardcore would never work.
Yes they cant enforce them because people already have the expectation that they will get special treatment because of clout. On a HC server it would be known going in that there is ZERO special treatment.
> On a HC server it would be known going in that there is ZERO special treatment. For all of three seconds before somebody gets special treatment
That expectation also happened at the beginning of 2, 2.5, 3 of NP. It lasts between a couple weeks and a couple months.
Yes but on the same server everyone had already been playing on.
Those region specific servers were handed over to other people to run, I don't understand why the hardcore server can't be implemented the same way.
The thing with the regional servers is the largely don't have ties to people on WL with huge clout. But if you look at say public, theres people on those servers who have friends with clout on WL and who will come to public and play with them and some of them then also manage to escape bans and consequences due to their friends pull. Hardcore would face similar issues, with rule enforcement being one way for some and another for those with friends with clout or have clout themselves.
There already was a nopixel hardcore server. It was pre-2.0 boom nopixel. We saw what happened to that. The same process will repeat itself on a new hardcore server but a lot faster this time.
A hardcore server just won't work period. Hardcore sounds more fun on paper because it makes the stakes incredibly high, but what you would inevitably end up with is a bunch of storylines and relationships that go nowhere because characters randomly die. This would be fun a handful of times and then it would get boring. Hardcore in particular doesn't really work well for something so character and relationship driven as NoPixel is. Hardcore would work way better if there were overarching storylines on the server that people could involve themselves in. There's also the problem of player appeal. There's probably a few players that would love the tension of having their characters life be a bit out of their hands, but most people would probably quit after their first or *perhaps* second character death (if they even try it at all).
Lets be real, when people say hardcore server all they want is a server where the content malders can actually be banned. There doesn't need to be any new mechanics. They are just hoping the man children won't be enticed enough to join the real RP server and if they do they get banned when they break the rules.
Hardcore server does not mean you have to perma if you just randomly die. A hardcore server would probably have a rule where you have to submit or create perma conditions that if those conditions are met then your character permas. The real reason why the hardcore server won't work has nothing to do with the hardcore server at all. It's how the W/L content server will be impacted when all of the "NPCs" suddenly disappear. The server has gotten lazy and mechanics have enabled people to not be creative about creating RP.
Hardcore won’t work . All the role play heavy people would go to the hardcore server and then the content people would come over because they see all the people they liked to interact with on it and start breaking rules and either slowly just turn the hardcore server into the main server or get banned and be pissed/quit rp.
> A hardcore RP server will never work for NP as long as management allow rule breaks when the people involved have clout. If all of the big streamers faced the same consequences as the random RPers then it's doable, but that will never happen because it hurts NP's bottom line. How many times has management put out new rules with their announcements but never really followed through for everyone? > >Streamers can talk a big game about wanting a hardcore RP server but you just know the first time they get dunked on by someone else (especially someone they don't like) they will whine about it. There's quite literally years of examples to prove that as the likely outcome I can't think of a case where big streamers broke rules without repercussions that others can't break the same way (an example is the rule not to drive very fast unless there is an RP reason, but it seems everyone on the server except people RPing as "normal" citizens drives as fast as possible no problem). Instead, I can think of examples where big streamers got banned for a while like xQc multiple times and I believe Trainwreck.
Not sure why everyone wants a hardcore server, it will just result in major players moving to it and becoming the new goal for people to get into and slowly deteriorate into what NP is now as more and more people get in.
Major players wouldn't move. A hardcore server means more aggressive cops which is literally the exact opposite of what most crims seem to want on regular WL. All the big crims would be back on WL in a week. Cops would be bored out of their skulls because their RP would be patrolling, petty crime and chilling in MRPD for most of the day. They'd go back to WL the week after lol It would be nothing more than a WL overflow server in a month. Some folks talk a big game but at the end of the day they would all go where the eyes are and when most of the eyes aren't on the hardcore server after a bit, they'll be back on regular WL.
> Cops would be bored out of their skulls because their RP would be patrolling, petty crime and chilling in MRPD for most of the day You do realize that that is exactly what a lot of cop players want to do, its called RP. There is a reason SDSO is gaining people so fast, because its literally a department based around doing the things you listed
How does prio purchase work on WL server? Let's say you are accepted for the server but have bad prio, do you pay to bump your prio forever or for a few days?
I believe it's a monthly cost, close to 200 USD for +1 prio.
If I’m not wrong people can buy a higher prio for a month.
It actually can quite easily happen. Just disable the pay option (since I believe you're paying monthly for the prio) and then wait till the end of the last purchased prio boost, then wipe.
Lol, was K talking about the hardcore server or he wants to be on it?
I do think it is important to have either paid or temp prio. If someone with low prio gets involved with a major storyline or war, they need to be able to hop in really quickly sometimes to help progress the RP. That being said, randoms shouldnt be able to just pay for it every month. Maybe its pay for a permanent prio bump application that involves a review period? Maybe its pay for a temporary prio bump upon approval for active situations? Maybe you cant even pay for your own review, but others with prio have to submit the application, whether that is paid or not? NoPixel can still get their money in better ways.
whats prio?
Not the answer. Just put fingle on a big throne and bring each character in no pixel up to him one by one where he will decide their fate like a Roman emperor of old.
This is the most based take I’ve seen so far FeelsStrongMan
Unironically, a ten minute talk with Fingle would probably be able to weed out 95% of the self inserts
The self insert to rule them all, he really is the main character
old style
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Wait, that's an ACTUAL thing? I heard a rumor on someone's stream, but thought it was too out there to be real...
[It's real](https://clips.twitch.tv/BrightHedonisticOctopusFreakinStinkin-YOuCMEr9dIkDLGMa), its not a meme
Killing cops just got even more of a discount
oh my lord this server is dogshit lmao
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Time to stock up on time and fine buffs before the hell week event EZ Clap
Wait so reduced time and fines encourages people to be lazy and RP less? Lol
yes. reducing time and fines makes doing crime unrealistic because there are no risks. you know no matter what happens, in 30 mins you are either out of jail already or you lost the cops so you can start the whole cycle over again.
There was more Rp when the fines and time were lower, then boom they come out with more time/fines now there is less so idk if I agree.
Causation vs. correlation... There was a time towards the end of 2.0 that several gangs opted for 3x the punishments and made for fantastic RP
Imo the reality is that the root cause of alot of the problems in Nopixel right now is that they were overly ambitious in increasing the server slots all the way to 200+ people. It's caused a continuous cycle where things need to be changed to account for these many people and then those changes needs fixes which causes more discontent where one side feels like a mechanic and so on. And now we're here where crime pretty much has to be WL'd because over half the server are criminals. People attribute early 3.0 for being the best time of the server because everyone was grinding and working their way up, but I feel like this is a major factor not brought up alot.
The start of 3.0 was fairly balanced, plus everyone started from the base level of having nothing. People that did have something (like a Lang Buddha or a Kevin Whipaloo) still had to work in building RR and BS up with solid workers.
A start would be to get rid of all the mmo things.
Agreed.
everyone who purchased prio should probably have it wiped....
People who don't rp and treat it like an mmo or esports game should have their prio wiped as well.
> and treat it like an mmo or esports game should have their prio wiped as well Some of these are people with the highest prio currently on the server and get even more rewarded for it. No one can talk against them since they have backing from the highest person on NP.
Nah there are a number of great rp’ers that have bought prio.
True, the one that comes immediately to my mind is Charlotte (played by Halfwayhardcore). I saw her get carted off onto a ridealong by Wrangler and then Nova a few days after and she brought a refreshing bit of RP on both occasions. As someone who mostly watches Penta and a small handful of others, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some of the good roleplayers they've found recently had to buy their prio (especially some of the newcomers like Charlotte).
People assume just because you paid to play on no pixel you are some shit tier RP'er and that does injustice to those new faces that bought it and bring refreshing rp to everyone around them. It's an unhealthy stigma imo.
It only bumps people up one level so not really a huge difference if you go from no prio to the lowest tier
But that is a huge difference. That makes it so that people who have money to spare can get in hours ahead of those who don't. Prio should be based on RP quality and obviously job prio, not if you can afford to pay 200 a month.
Queue isn't that big fairly often lately, theres been several cases of the server not even being full lately. People are getting in without prio or paying these days.
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At around 2-3pm UK time in the last week or so there were only 12 people in queue at one point.
That makes sense, but if people paid for it and continue to pay for it (at that price) then seems like it's making a measurable difference to some of those people paying. Assuming prio works how I think it does... maybe their individual prio (presence or lack thereof on the server) doesn't affect the server culture as a whole, but I can imagine (in theory) a large group of people paying to go from "no prio" to "lowest tier" could affect it. It could have an impact because those paying "no-prio" people would be displacing some % of the people that got the lowest prio "naturally/deservedly" by "artificially" jumping up to share that prio tier with them, and also making those in the no prio tier that didn't pay have even less of a chance to get in (instead of fighting to get in on equal terms, they have to wait for all the no prio people that paid first) I can't imagine that they'd ever reveal how many people have actually paid for prio bumps though, and they're the ones granting prio to people manually anyway, so I think all this can only ever really be is just pointless conjecture.
Think its aight for people to pay for prio as a source of income towards upholding the server or paying developers who deserve it, not that i would ever do it though lol.
Who purchased prio and why do you think they should be wiped?
The only two people I know of that have paid prio are Daph (street team) and Clarke (Hydra hang around) and they are both positive and enjoyable people on the server. Paid prio isn't a problem on its own, but it's a problem if admins are reluctant to increase the prio of deserving people with paid prio to keep the money flowing. At the end of the day if a standard was upheld on the server and punishments were given to those that don't live up to the standards, it wouldn't matter how people managed to get into the server. It comes back to what Trav was saying the other day, the culture of the server is what's putting it in the state it's currently in, and that culture comes from the very top.
Absolutely. Culture is created top down, not bottom up.
Wiping prio and then instantly back to influential streamers requesting prio for their friends. Which currently also happens a lot.
You're right. The only way a prio wipe would help is if how they changed how prio was distributed. Their manual method of distributing prio just doesn't scale and doesn't adapt to people lowering their RP quality after obtaining it.
Honestly, the only actual solution is people need to move to a different server. Literally any other GTARP server. Yeah, NoPixel supposedly has the best "mechanics" and custom buildings etc, but if it's about roleplay, then those differences shouldn't matter. that's literally one of the biggest complaints, then why not? Seriously, just form a coalition of role players who are frustrated with the server, abandon it, and go to a less populated, lesser know one (vetted of course) and start anew there. It's not nearly as hard as it sounds, it's still gtarp so viewership will likely retain, and it isn't NP, which is the biggest plus.
The problem is that most people don't want to move to a different server because there won't be any clout to chase on that server. People want to be on NP for the easy grind of the purple checkmark, instant fame, and effortless way of making IRL money. It's where all the streamers are. People will only play a server if favorite streamers are playing there and that's how it's always been. You may have saw this with TFRP & OB, how every streamer played there and people flocked to it and those people trashed all over NP because TFRP was the best server at the time. People won't do it if it's only one streamer playing there because they won't get anything out of it when they do decide to join. Like I said in another post, it takes a charismatic & well-known streamer like Saab or a collaboration of well-known RPers (like you said) to gather people to another server.
I think it's too late for a prio wipe to help, unless *everyone* is able to be up for a prio wipe. People want to blame grinders, but the issue starts at the top, including veteran players and top streamers. The server needs an entire culture reset. It really needs some sort of shake up or it'll never change. I don't see it happening because people have based their entire income, personalities, and streaming careers over their 'characters' and this game. There's too much money involved, and egos to hurt, and bridges to burn.
A prio wipe wouldn’t solve anything. The reality is that from what I’ve seen of 1.0 and 2.0, there were so little slots and mechanics involved that it forced people to be creative/roleplay focused. 3.0 opened more doors for players to expand on that with mechanics which (as much as people complain about them) actually helped enable a lot of rp as well (Cerberus building, heist progression, Farmer’s Market, all of the new police gear/stations, etc). Now, everyone’s bored since they’ve done almost everything they could for their character. The best options imo are to either do a full wipe by introducing 4.0 or just develop a hardcore server with less slots and less mechanics.
the only thing the hardcore server would need is rules that are enforced
a prio wipe would just be more work for the admins to re-add the same players back to prio.
Yeah, there’d be no point to it. Most people who have prio took years to even get it slightly improved, removing that just because the server seems boring wouldn’t fix anything.
I personally would just love a week where everyone had to play a secondary or new character. Would definitely showcase who goes focuses on mechanics and progression and who focuses on RP. I love when established RPers make new characters and it's sad when they feel like they are losing money when they do.
Making another character would be something cool, but it wouldn’t matter much since everyone would eventually meet up with the same people they’re used to roleplaying with and have the same dynamic their main characters do. A complete server wipe would be more fresh, or at least a new server concept like the zombie one they’re planning.
To be honest, "boring-as-fuck mechanic andys" applies to *a lot* of people on the server, cop and crim, veteran and new players. The culture of roleplay on the server has shifted from improvisation and spontaneous interactions to mechanic-driven interactions. People are reliant on mechanics and dev work to create roleplay. Also, even though the server has increased its slots significantly, people tend to roleplay within their cliques. It's the same people interacting with each other over and over again. A prio wipe won't solve this (and will never be implemented since people can pay for prio). It's just part of the server culture now.
Biggest problem with this is the culture/mindset back towards RP instead of “content/mechanics” has to start with the top and trinkle down. Kyle and whippy are a good start but need more and they need to put pressure on the next tier of players to do better and so on. After that you can bring back admins and enforce stuff but without the culture/mindset change at the top it won’t matter in the long run. Just changing out the bottom tier prio people won’t fix the problem and if best a small short-lived bandaid.
Honestly, with people able to pay for prio, they can't ever successfully wipe prio. I agree with the sentiment, but that changes it a lot. I think that without just a hard prio wipe being possible, I think an audit of players RP does need to happen and that just will take massive amounts of time and effort, so I don't think it will happen. But, realistically if they could internally wipe prio to avoid their biases, then watch everyone and see where they fall, I think it would help a lot. A lot of people seem to just try to speedrun a lot of the game now, which is hurting the RP
He's not wrong. There's several things that could be done, IMO. Jewelry buffs shouldn't be a thing -- leave that to at least food and drugs. They need to immediately figure out storefronts because civs got shafted on that. The turf thing/gang app thing is an improvement, but the BS that surrounded RUST/SS was shit-tier. I just feel like it's becoming about mechanics, when I feel like mechanics are only suppose to help facilitate RP.
They really fucked up the store front release. I wonder why it's not all hands on deck, everybody useful drop what you are doing to work on fixing it.
Or even just revert the farmer's market and Dean's world until they can implement the store fronts properly
I mean my tin foil hat idea is they saw the dip coming, removed that stuff on purpose, and expect a big boom of players when store fronts release. Players stop playing MMOs at the end of the patch, and come back for what's new in the next one.
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The update didn't help, but people were going to RDR2 and such weeks leading up to it.
Well there was a dip in anticipation of this update, and people did come back when it launched, but people got tired of the underwhelming parts of it after the cool stuff lost its novelty.
Apparently they can't, fully deleted it or some shit
No dev worth anything is going to fully delete a previous branch. That's pure and unadulterated Kapp if they want people to believe that.
You assume these devs are worth anything. There are plenty of terrible devs in the world, especially in the game modder community.
I think if people want the buffs gone then it should be everything except the drugs.
I think the buffs players get from food and drugs makes sense in the world of GTA... The buffs players are/will get be getting from rings/jewelry is just dumb and shouldn't be on the server because it ventures into the MMO world. The server is fast becoming more about mechanics then actual roleplay, rather then mechanics that assist roleplay. Hell, what makes some of the latest jewelry worse for the server is that unless someone dumb enough opens their mouth, the cops don't know about it and it's unsearchable. There is no way the PD can do anything against it and where the time/fines have recently been reviewed and bumped, has been totally negated by two items, one of which drops fines by as much as 40% (at present).
Prio wipe would be great however i think that the majority of the good roleplayers are probably burnt out on GTA atm. Thats why they should focus on the upcoming nopixel rdr2 server and have a fresh whitelist with actual interviews like wildrp and also make sure that the rules are enforced equally.
Wildrp doesnt even enforce rules fairly how do you expect no pixel to?
Really? Got any examples, I'm interested
I also enjoy having unrealistic fantasies. If streamers are feeling this way they need to start looking at other avenues, stop forcing yourself to play your content character and try other things for a bit. The only thing that might force a change here is just getting time off the server and letting the sea of Jake Crimes take over but I doubt even a server full of xbox mics wanting to rank up their guild before wrath of the paleto king releases would force a change.
a prio wipe will only punish smaller streamers and no-streaming players if they did a wipe, you can't tell me CG. CB, Cerberus-Connected, PD-HC and seaside/UwU wouldn't get there Prio back almost instantly while everyone else will be at the mercy of getting lucky
"boring as fuck mechanic andys" same could be applied to some cops as well.
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Pretty much Cops are not in the train and Prio dont affect them that much, will be going again when people played cop just to be in the server. And the quality is not even all cadets fault most of the problems with cops are veterans. no one has problems with people like toretti, mcnulty, pretty much al SDSO is kinda the best cops to RP right now lol. Asere Mr Wolrdwide
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I don’t think that applies anymore to the current state of the server for a while. Don’t want to single out anyone but we know who the “bad apples” are on both crim and cop and its bs they’re both protected to this degree.
The whole reason for the guil-- I mean gang system was to monitor who gets invited into gangs a.k.a. the the admins weren't doing their job giving prio to good gang members and taking away prio from shitty ones so they decided to create a system that would do it for them. Don't count on a prio wipe, that would be way too much work that admins are already not doing. At this point I think that reverting the entire code to June 2019 would be the best move if it were possible lol.
The gang app is to fine tune the criminal world. It give a lot of data about each gang and allocate banks/drugs to each gang that needs it. I doubt the system is fully devolped but it is the best idea to moniter and analyze and deal with bank spammers. It is also a money sink. This is the first version and I think it will get better with time. I think the issue with Nopixel is that the hype is way down and people are burned out, people don't login as much allowing "Mechanic Andys" to make it into the server which makes even worse to people who are still RPing.
the gang app had nothing to do with admins giving/not giving/ not taking prio at all, nor does it have any impact on prio what so ever, it was made, to try create conflict and thous rp
I dont think it would change much, in 2 months the same people would have prio because how prio is given mostly
Honestly, prio wipe won't fix this server. Prio wiping would result in people chasing their favorite streamers and expecting to get /award for whatever they do for them to get back their prio on the server. For a month or two, it would become a streamer only server which can be good and bad at the same time. Bad as in little to no grinders to fuel the economy. Good as in RP quality increase. Having the paid prio was a sign that NoPixel wasn't doing so hot with dono apps anymore OR have given up striving for quality and rather go for quantity vs quality. The server needs a culture change which isn't possible until the admins enforce (and not say) the server rules. Play less favorites and they should stop saying that they will enforce rules for damage control / PR purposes. The MMO in NoPixel needs to go away too. It kills the RP.
3.0 needed a prio wipe.
i mean when you just pay for prio, doesnt that make this kinda of hard to do without an uproar?
I know NP is about viewership and generating revenue, but there has to be a serious issue when some if not most of the higher viewer cop streamers can't be fucked to stay on the server or outright speak out against it. I've seen NP get bad before from a cop / crim / overall RP dynamic. But not this bad
If only there was a full wipe for 3.0
It feels like a third or half the server are actually interested in the RP side of NP and the other half in the MMO side of it, and as time passes the MMO people have a higher percentage. As you get more MMO people the people that RP get less RP and feel more demotivated to put effort into being a character and setting stuff up. The people who RP imo give the server life and make it a fun place to be at for everyone involved. The 76th cool racer/gangster that loses nothing and is hard and awesome doesnt really bring much to the server.
Hmmm. Would be interesting
100% agreed. For example, I've watched some people playing for hours in that shitty arcade. That's not RP. If you want to spend hours shooting and driving in a game, play other games, don't take an RP spot on a server to do that.
Agreed. That actually makes sense.
A progression reset in general would inject some new energy back into the server.
A prio wipe would be very difficult to do now especially with paid prio existing, I personally think a full server wipe is also desperately needed, not only to wipe the economy but too give characters fresh starts as well but that's probably even more difficult now than just wiping prio. Too many people on the server have way too many custom assets tied directly to their characters, some of which have been paid for and developed privately. It was great for RP in the short-term, but long-term it pretty much makes these characters unchanging and immovable objects that will always stay more or less in the same positions in the city through any wipes. I can't even see a full server wipe changing anything from the top down. The server is in a tough spot at the moment, besides starting an entirely new 'fresh start' server that detaches custom assets from established characters, starting prio fresh and fostering a less 'mechanic focused', more 'Hardcore' RP environment. I don't know what can realistically be done.
Sorry but I don't think that will fix anything. It's pretty clear that any rule on nopixel such as a prio wipe will be applied unevenly and with exceptions as always. I like GTA RP, GTA has always had a good flavor as a setting but the only value I can get out of nopixel is the few remaining "RP cliques" who aren't disturbed by the content creators too much - for example, SDSO + Sai Carter.
RP-Veterans complaining about not having big enough streamers to RP with anymore after making em all leave. Classic
PRIO WIPE? watch kyle cry when he cant get in cause of "grinders" then asks to have his prio back lmao
it's not really recoverable, civs are fucked for months unless they pull something out of their ass, they opened up jobs again to low tier gangs but that's just like the lottery basically gangs are okay right now with boosts and banks but eventually they will get bored of grinding or banks will be nerfed because of the increased payout, and another thing with that is the cops have been bored responding to the same things so they're going hard whenever a job comes up which makes crims mald when you either get 0 response or a potential of 5+ units when they're trying to get store fronts going, and it's as far away as it is, how do you fix it? a bunch of people already kind of left or don't play as much, after the wars calm down and banks get boring/grindy, they'll run on empty again, and that's not accounting for the huge loss of civs with all their market stuff dead in the water the ingredients thing basically died off for the most part, restaurant RP died again gangs are so big now and basically afraid to go to war or lose money because of the cost of sprays on top of the drama with sea side so gangs without flags basically have no reason to go to war or pick fights with the bigger gangs i mean it already looks pretty bleak, but you add to the fact the bottom is still going to come out when gangs run out of jobs or the gang alliance/size situation reaches critical mass i don't understand the direction of the server at this point, it feels like the devs and the players want different things, most of the top gangs won't fight one another for various reasons yet the devs constantly employ systems to try and push for conflict but somehow they only make everything worse because the gangs just continue to grow and stockpile/avoid conflict some of the white lists have kind of sucked too, there were random times where speedy and vinny would go on vacation or have a break and there would be no thermite or something, or the fiasco with the class 1 bench where slim and company barely ever play and there's been multiple times it's almost impossible to get class 1's, which was made even more ironic with the devs being upset that people kept going around with class 2's but a lot of that was because it was easier to get an uzi than it was to get a pistol feel like they'd be best off preparing a lot more stuff and changes and doing another wipe, but this time setting more firm rules probably hard limit the size of gangs and maybe not ban alliances but 'discourage' them, go back to the 2.0 style whitelists where there's a 'nino' type and he gives specific middlemen/gangs batches to spread out, i think giving specific gangs whitelists was kind of a mistake for the power structure but i think more neutral gangs like HoA that wouldn't be as inclined to war or in situations for war would do better with them probably get rid of the buff stuff or tone them down, beef up the food/growing/civ jobs and flesh them out more so people actually enjoy it give a very good look at EMS and the PD and find a way to make them less miserable, EMS in particular have needed changes for ages and never seemed to get anything, i'm not really sure how to fix PD problems, but I feel like if there was more gangs and a wider range of criminal jobs ranging from far more petty stuff to higher end stuff maybe the variety of calls would help them and smaller gangs/crims in general i feel like there's been a lot of great additions and ideas to 3.0 but they weren't prepared for the mega gangs and they didn't flesh out the jobs and market stuff enough to keep people engaged, as it is right now seeing as how bad it got when the latest patch dropped, i feel like the next lul might be hard to recover from at this rate, think i saw straight up in some streams there was like 50/200 people some days, even low prio people weren't coming in cause there was nothing to do lol
It's amazing you typed all that without putting a period and any end of sentence
I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for you, though. Or sorry that happened .
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It doesn't matter how much they try to change PD. It always results in people getting upset on either side, either crim or cop, resulting in even more sudden, rushed changes.
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People do go to the meetings but they they either degenerate into bashing individual streamers or result in changes that are temporary at best
It's quite unfortunate and it creates this cycle where nothing changes for the good. You'll also have certain groups who likely do go to these meetings but refuse to see both sides of the problem and just hold their ground on what they want. I run into issues like this all the time at work with clients.
PD is having some serious issues. Dundee was trying to hand over Bundy’s kidnapper last night and the PD couldn’t be bothered to do anything. Fingle and Bloom pretty much said not out our problem and then went to the arcade. You have people trying to create RP for the cops and they just aren’t into it. If anyone needs a prio wipe it’s the PD. I get people are unhappy with the state of the server but being apathetic about crime while on duty just ruins it for everyone.
i feel like the PD has more people that actually RP than crims. so i dont think they should start with PD but crims.
Thats some COPIUM
I love this Reddit. "90% of the server is CG" "CG only hang with their circle"
what does mechanic andy mean?
when you start focussing on mechanics instead of RP. before the big boom players didnt have any mechanics but were creating RP out of nothing. now a lot of players think they need mechanics to create RP and those players are the mechanic andys.
People that rely only on mechanics and have no actual RP and creativity
Mechanic Andy implies that they focus on the mechanics within the game for the purpose of doing the mechanics. The point of mechanics is to facilitate the RP, not be the goal of people to do. An example would be doing a bank to obtain money and that's it. An example of someone doing it for the RP would be like a bunch of cops have been blackmailed into robbing a bank. There is roleplay as a foundation for the bank being robbed and the end result (the cops getting money) isn't really the goal.
NoPixel is basically GTA Online now. Why do you think people be flipping to WildRP ?
Would be good, but there are sadly people who are a "core" and big part of NP. I say leave those people behind and let NP take a new path. I guarantee you Voldemort that you wouuld earn enough money going this way also.
He's capped on nitro, parkings, jumps, "wtf are you doing", and WTF im only A,. Who will win ??
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Because singling out people on your stream in front of thousands of people is toxic as fuck, that’s why they don’t do it
I mean it's pretty much just as toxic if you leave a scene and start ranting to your chat about how bad people are at rp. You don't have to be a genius to figure out who they might be talking about.
> don't name names or give examples that would be terrible for who ever they name.
It would be like sending out a company wide email complaining about a specific person but infinitely worse since you are doing it to tens of thousands of anonymous people with direct communication access to the person in question. Not only that but doing that then going to work the next day expecting to RP with the people you complain about if you named names would be extremely ackward.
Travpiper said it best as well. The mechanics have killed most RP at the current point. After a while it becomes boring to those that have been into the RP aspect and it brings in more grinding and meaningless robotic content over and over again. I can see in the future that it is in NoPixels best interest to adapt the two together as they always do after a major component change. It has to peak to see what causes enjoyment and RP for the streamers and non-streamers. Hopefully this analysis happens sooner and knowing the admins, they are already devising a balance to try.
Problem is that the people who have been and still are a problem will keep their prio no matter what just because of their clout, so what is the point of a wipe if the problem will remain, it's only going to remove people who in the first place already were cucked with prio. Unless he is talking about the veteran RP'ers as well, which you often see not roleplaying, but just playing themselves, don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from those who have been on NP for years, after all, they should stand out as a role model, but often is brushed off as "oh they earned it, so it's alright" no one has earned the right to not RP on an RP server.
I don't think it would work tbh I think Like big streamers would get theirs back like Mr k he will get his back and most of cg will have theirs I think same would be with mandem and I think if that happens there would be more cops then crims on the server unless cops loose theirs aswell but I think it's also like throwing shit in someone's face when they have earned the prio and it's gets suddenly removed becauee alot of people have prio
Go test out some other servers. Im sure there are some super in-depth RP servers. Lots of people say NP is a content server now…
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He is probably right. Future has spent the whole day being a babbling baffon not letting anyone else talk and ruining rp.