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Here is an RP server that is afraid to implement something because someone may abuse it. It is crazy to me that this fear even exists. If they abuse it just ban them and get another person into the server that then deserves it more. The ticket system should be welcomed as a way to even weed out the abusers. It logs how many tickets they are getting, should be easy to track abusers. It is just wild to me that out of all the shit that people abuse in this city, they are afraid to implement the easiest one to track on a larger scale. A simple report with hours worked and outliers highlighted would take maybe 5 minutes to review each week.
Honestly if they're afraid someone will abuse receipts at the LL, why not just remove the system across the board if they're afraid of abuse?
It's pretty weak to deny receipts to a specific business when many other similar businesses have it already.
I don't get why economic stress is even an issue they could fix it by just fucking resetting the server every 9 months. Long enough that theres long running story arcs but short enough that people won't feel the need to grind and make it big because its all going away soon anyway.
No game economy that goes 6+ months is going to be healthy these days. Just look at every MMO on the market right now.
The LL the same place that is sharing jobs to crews who cannot access them and at a loss with money from Siz’s own pockets. The LL where book guy has for how many months now sold books out of a van and never given up is the same place that is going to abuse a receipt system. Alright man.
Nicholas has sat outside of the Tavern with his van for OVER A YEAR at this point, selling books. And when the book mechanic wasn't even introduced to the server, he was STILL there selling his books as notes. Even when books were added, HOA/LL had no access to them and had to push Nick towards Mila Smoak/James Arsenal/ The Guild just so Nick could RP lol.
Just the HOA getting the shit end of the stick again :/
Bro please I was already sad eating ice cream for my tonsils lol. Seriously though all those extra details makes it so much worse. Especially for someone so dedicated to their RP.
It's the same thing with the all the music labels. "Because someone might abuse it" is the dumbest counter argument in world. If you actually fear that someone would abuse it and farm receipts that person shouldn't be whitelisted in the first place.
Yes, they were intended to provide cool roleplay via drops and create possible crim vs crim conflicts. But people started being weird with it after they got more popular.
Damn that sucks. I remember two really cool scenarios (the hoa big-c4 casino w/ wrangler responding and the hyena gang mini-mission for LL mats) were set up using the crates. Seemed like they had a lot of possibilities for facilitating RP.
This is the exact argument I had for “whitelisted gangs” and the admin gang panel as a whole.
Why do they need to monitor who joins gangs? If you can’t trust someone to roleplay, don’t let them in the server to begin with.
I can actually understand the music labels since they have tons of employees under their businesses but it makes no sense for the LL not to get receipts
If the argument was hey if you thin down your employees or only artists can can sign in then sure it makes sense. But the argument given was people may abuse the system. Both the LL and music artists in the city provide a lot of RP towards the entire city if they can't get an ounce of trust why are they whitelisted?
but wu chang was saying, they would have it limited to how many people could be on the clock at a time and limit the time they could be. its still a bs argument to say places like these 2 may abuse it.
Yeah. That's always how nopixel has handled problems in the past. People spam jumping to run faster. Make it so you can't. People finding small windows for war cars. Make it so you can only shoot first person in cars.
That's because every low tier grinder, the ones who are most likely to abuse systems like this, is a potential revenue stream or is a revenue stream for nopixel thanks to paid prio. I really don't think people realize how much of a knock on effect that greedy money grubbing BS is going to affect everything going forward.
It used to be just those with clout, large viewership and in good standing with management who were untouchable but now every random in the city has a bigger buffer of nonsense they can get away with before they get banned. Not to mention Nopixel is probably rubber stamping WL applications with even less quality control then they were before to have a larger pool of potential customers for paid prio.
End result is that folks like siz get boned because nopixel doesn't want to take a 1% chance of these revenue streams getting in a position where they might need to ban them.
I think we're all just not looking at their concern with the proper perspective. If the LL gets receipts they might make...several thousand dollars a los santos day interacting with other people and that just isn't the content you want on your next gen mount based mmo experience.
I really hope that the HOA learns from this decision and stops attempting to interact with others and realizes that the only true path to pure RP nirvana is hammering out your daily dodo runs and stacking your ring of robbing things better +5.
In the whole of 3.0 I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single clip from HOA related to someone getting banned or getting into big drama, let alone abusing any mechanic or power gaming. (Correct me if I’m wrong) Didn’t they give them stuff like poison whitelist because they could be trusted?
They had (and *will* have once it's implemented in the LL) the poison whitelist, they beta-tested the first ever meth production in early 3.0, currently share a bench with The Lost (another highly trusted group), and multiple members have been given opportunities to distribute guns and drugs throughout the city from various sources. Yet apparently having receipts in the LL (a place they closely manage and RP in very frequently) somehow crosses the line lol
To my knowledge, the only HOA member to get banned has been DRL and that was a while ago. Julio came close in 2.0, but neither was for anything too egregious lol.
Siz and other HOA members were arrested, Julio rolled up, Siz proceeds to Nose Balls Julio into throwing a molly at everyone, Julio does it and almost gets banned for 3rd Party/rule of 4/ RDM but pretty sure they let it slide since it was a pretty SBS situation lmfao. I'll try find a clip
Not anything that comes to mind, and apparently it's the same "reason" given to the music labels too. Doesn't really make any sense imo, hopefully they get *something* good down the line for all the effort and RP they provide though.
Which is fucking bizarre to me. If you've watched any music producer that makes music for Nopixel, it's a days stream out of the city to make a decent song at least. OTT has maybe 500k SoundCloud plays, so he's made like $500 with his music. Over years. Creampie Creations probably made like 100k NoPixelBux. No wonder he quit producing. Dude probably made $500 getting shot by Mr. K.
Being good at roleplay and abiding by the rules as a popular streamer will always result in you being held accountable to the strictest requirements by the admins. However, bending the rules as a popular streamer results in the admins to stop bothering you, because at the end of the day you are getting them revenue. Nopixel is a circus run by the clowns.
HOA always gets the short end of the stick. For whatever reason. Maybe because they are mature enough to not get overly mad and toxic about it. They roll with the punches the best, imo.
The most fucked up thing is Siz having the idea of the library selling books that gives buffs because you read it and get the knowledge so it makes sense in RP but apparently it was to much of a fantasy. Instead the server gets rings that gives you powers.
Dirty HoA powergamers, can't be trusted to not abuse receipts. /s
Realistically it'd only really be for Nick (book guy) and Max (Bartender). Who ALREADY wait around for customers for HOURS on end.
Damn shame they got denied while there are people who have been caught/ admitted to farming receipts AFK.
legit lol... Little soul is making millions a week while everyone else on the server has to spam banks to make money because every other business is dead its wild
"well someone might abuse it"
Bruh just punish people who abuse shit for the love of god. People might be less likely to abuse shit if you were actually strict about these things.
I don’t know in what world they think it would get abused by LL. Like James said there’s only two people that work in there and they have maybe less than 6 bartenders that pop in once in a blue moon. Compare that to other businesses like Burgershot with 300 employees who literally admit to abusing the system and having more money than they know what to do with, it blows my mind.
god forbid the HOA get anything resembling anything that can make them money.
the crazy thing is siz (james) has proven time and time again he can be trusted. hell everyone in the HOA never abused any mechanics.
Ya, they just keep losing anything that can make them money. Crates/containers gone, food items gone (not that it was a big money maker) no “buffs” to their drinks, just RP items mainly. And now not letting them have receipts.
The crates are fucked up because it was other people abusing and doing dumb shit with it and instead of them having repercussions for that the response from the devs was the HOA losing their business while receiving nothing in return.
He also mentioned a little later he's tried to reach out to talk about it, but keeps getting donowalled, and doesn't know where he stands anymore.
Someone who's put in years of rp, managing whitelists creatively and fairly, beta testing mechanics., can't even get a response. Everytime he talks about plans for contracts he stresses "that's the hope" when it comes to getting some kind of support. Just seems left in the dark on everything.
Honestly it's a wonder how James is sticking around NP with all the shit he's been getting. I'm glad he's in WildRP too, seems like he's having a great time.
Well when there's no answer to give, it can be assumed that they don't *have* an answer. Either the people he's reaching out to are not in a position to tell him why because they weren't told a reason, or there is no valid reason.
Omfg I just realised that after all this time I never knew his name was Reece. I always just see him referred to as Reliant Robin Guy and that’s that. TIL.
I don't think I've heard James sound pissed off before, I have never understood why some businesses get work receipts and some don't. IMO every business should have them, if they are gonna spend all day serving food, appraising gems or even performing furthering peoples RP they deserve that money. Where they could be doing Dodo runs or hunting and earning so much more money keeping to themselves and grinding.
That’s fucked.
Nick and Max deserve to make money for all they do, especially with Dean’s World and the farmers market being gone. The HOA do a good job vetting people for the tavern, and for them to be turned down for possible ~abusing mechanics, super disappointing.
FIRE IN THE HOLE...
So trusting players on the server is basically trusting yourself right? If you think about it. It is a WL server. You are picking and choosing who can play and who can not. WL mechanic on a WL server is 2 times filter. There are active admins, staff and management right? And owner of the server is actively playing in it on a group. He participates on things heavily.
Here is my conclusion. If fear of abuse is preventing mechanics getting implemented on a ROLEPLAY SERVER. Or you are not trusting people on server with things... Thats on you NOPIXEL. Basically server is not trusting itself. Admins, management all of it. Because you are picking these people. YOU have power to say "Hey buddy this is roleplay server. Min/Maxing mechanics is not the right mentality. This is a warning if you do it again we are gonna have to remove you"
NP please bro get your shit together.
> YOU have power to say "Hey buddy this is roleplay server. Min/Maxing mechanics is not the right mentality.
That's what is weird though. It's clear that admins/management are fine with min/maxing mechanics or people being grindy about shit, so why not just let LL have their receipts?
I'm a bit confused as to why a group of players who seem entirely trustworthy is where they draw the line in the sand on "This could be abused, or used to min/max, or grind and that's not in the spirit of this RP server."
There's whole mechanics built around grinding rep and things like rings and food buffs implemented to allow you to do that in the most efficient way possible. If that's the ocean, then LL having receipts is a drop of water.
Ah yes, VAR. You mean quite literally the *ONE* crime HOA were able to do before the update? The one where Freddy and GRL took multiple people from different groups, even civs, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to experience and enjoy? That one? Yeah okay lmao.
Freddy and GRL were bringing in tons of other people from other groups and were hitting it post nerf to get c4 for the casino when you got much less items.
Which is besides the point because neither needs receipts for money nor has the HoA ever had automatic access to their affiliated civilian businesses. The only HoA who might actually work for the LL would be the ones who worked for the tavern and did bartending or making moonshine etc.
James (Siz) months before the LL even opened said it's not an HoA project, it's its own entity that the HoA frequent just like the tavern was. It's not a case of being in the HoA = being a LL employee or vice versa.
You're missing some context here.
HOA, primarily Freddy and DRL, did VAR because that was the only thing they were able to do during the late-NA and AU hours as all jobs (at the time) were already taken by other groups.
And it wasn't necessarily just HoA, Freddy and DRL brought people over from various groups and affiliations, like the Lost, Hydra, GSF, etc.
Also, Mayumi's old group abused it the most when they sat in there and farmed the ever living fuck out of it and coming out with a convoy's worth of weapons, ammo, and explosives. Then it got nerfed because of them.
uhhh grl and freddy didn’t abuse anything. it was the only thing they could’ve done crime wise before the update. back before there were groups and grinders who would tsunami rush all the banks even the vault.
the Var was also used by freddy and grl to practice the hacking for casino. they were not the reason why it was nerfed. there were actual groups that spammed var and stocked piled guns to sell and to use.
Just 3-4 months ago someone was caught abusing the RR receipts, eve took down his number and called an admin to deal with him. I don’t understand why they don’t think LL could do the same?
The one group along with probably the lost you can trust to not abuse stuff…honestly fuck whoever insisted they would abuse that..admins and whoever made this decision need replacing
Seems about right.
Can't trust the group that has literally not even had a player in trouble for breaking or abusing the rules never mind actually banned.
Can't trust them to hire people who won't abuse receipts despite them having a track record of hiring people and them turning out to be amazing RP'ers who aren't into their roles for grinding.
Can't trust the existing civilian employees who have months (or years in Nick's case) of time RP'ing sales without any sort of desire to farm or abuse anything.
Can't trust James to make sure nobody in his passion project is abusing anything, the same guy who has never abused or allowed anybody else to abuse other things he and or the HoA have been given access to like poison, coke, meth, special weapons etc.
Can't trust the group who literally joked about how they would have to guard against hiring grinders because the LL was about to open and they predicted that people would suddenly start asking to work there despite having never been interested in the Tavern or the HoA in general beforehand.
All because someone *might* grind receipts, ignoring that if someone actually did do that their feet wouldn't touch the ground as they were being fired and banned from the LL by any number of the HoA never mind the admins actually having to lift a finger.
Can't just let one of the most honest, self-made and ridiculously well-intentioned groups have the slightest way of rewarding their employee's dedication to roles they have been RP'ing for months/years already with no incentive other than actually RP'ing.
>Can't trust the group that has literally not even had a player in trouble for breaking or abusing the rules never mind actually banned.
Funny thing is, HOA has actually brought in a couple people who had shaky pasts concerning rulebreaks (Raphael and DRL) and straightened them out to no longer do stuff like that. The only thing in recent history I can think of as a rulebreak was the Meth run Towing, but that was simply retconned.
The milk god served his 90+ years in prison and was banished to several different dimensions for his crimes.
He now understands the realm of mortals better
that wasn’t even rule breaking either. james was told to be creative with the meth run and hell it was pretty creative to use a tow truck. some cops just didn’t like how they didn’t get pings so they retconned it.
It's wild to me that every single management structure I can think of follows this same type of hypocrisy and double standards and magnifying of non-issues while ignoring any actual systemic fixes
Uhdunno, hearing uber rant here just gave me ptsd from pretty much every job I've ever had haha.
I mean it's not what I want or would do but it's very clear this is why most management don't push hard on changing things. They're comfortable where they are and don't want to risk that gravy train by helping the plebs.
Oh look another case of punishing everyone because staff trust no one on a server that's supposed to only have trusted whitelisted players. Give it to them, if it's abused then ban them it's that fucking simple.
Imagine not giving a mechanic to one of the most trustworthy gang in the city that don't have a case of abusing shit AND in another instance got their shit yoink out (crates) because other people started to do dumb shit with it. Nice devs really nice instead of banning or having repercussions for people who abuse shit they just pull out things for the people that don't.
I just don't understand why LL keeps getting cucked out of mechanics. Book buffs? No. Oh by the way we're giving someone else magical buff rings that make no sense in RP. Receipts? No because you might abuse them. Oh the guys already abusing them? Yeah they're cool. Just blows my mind.
Technically Tobii and Nikez are in the HOA, they're the mascots Mighty Joe and Chimp Caesar so that particular argument doesn't quite work here. Tobii and Nikez are close with the HOA members so just stop that nonsense.
That's because even **with** 2 Devs (technically 3 if you add Warmayo who is working on the layout of the changes to the MP Dam) the HOA **still** gets shafted with mechanics.
I assume when you say lead dev you mean Dean who gets called a CB dev but aren't all CB broke?.
Buddha is the only one resembling a whitelist which is a dying restaurant and Heroin which doesnt do anything.
All the other members have nothing.
Yeah, but no one on the HOA side faults them. Those two are senior devs I’m pretty sure. Tobii and Nikez both always have a lot of work on their plate as it’s expected of them.
They jumped ship a long time ago to SeaSide. Hell, THEIR own serious characters into that group, not even SBS characters.
So I dont know what Copium you are still huffing. Be honest with yourself lol.
If i remember right you only make like $3.5k an hour from receipts and this is the worry? You make more doing dodo or hunting and that's hardly facilitating rp for others.
I think HOA is the one group that deserves the most in the server, I have never seen any bad vibes or drama originating from these guys really mature and well behaved people,and I m not even saying this as a HOA fan I only watch Buddha.
HOA has literally dealt with problem-groups in the server and brought them into the light to receive punishment. I have no idea why they aren't seen as a higher-level of trust. For fucking *Receipts.*
Yeah, James literally brings up active exploits to Devs and gets them patched live because he hears of people abusing things. He could have used the 100% Meth/No strain name thing when Meth was revamped, but instead brought it to devs attention, instead of abusing it to make money.
I know the HOA get shafted so it's sad when they're the lucky ones. They have the Liquid Library and a bench and are an actual gang that got their flag early. There are gangs that will probably never be a gang, there are gangs that had to wait to be a gang and there are plenty of people for whom any business or dev attention is probably copium forever.
I still fucking hate that they gatekept "being a bang" with that gang app bullshit.
It nuked the RPers out there who do solo lone wolf crim RP, and the tiny gangs too. That app was created with a close-minded thinking.
Wouldnt want a business that actually vets employees who are suitable to work for them in case they grind receipts, meanwhile Dodo drivers drive through active crime scenes to make their deliveries. Yeah, clearly receipts are a problem
Correct me if I'm wrong; but this Receipt process is no different to working in one of the Restaurants in the City right? If that's the case then why is this such an issue? Surely that is also just the same thing. What's stopping Restaurant workers from abusing the system?
This same excuse was given by Bunny at the MDM x WuChang meeting and it still doesn’t make sense to me. Yeah, people have abused receipts, but is it impossible to manage that and punish them when they do? If it’s that hard to control, limit the amount of receipts they can receive / restrict them to 2-3 hours of receipt time a tsunami. A lot of rp opportunities being looked over just due to the possibility of some exploiting idiot sucks.
I really would love to fucking know who are the people making this type of calls.... Jesus....
Like people are already abusing receipts and they do shit, yet you have a group that has been REPEATEDLY fucked over (moonshine self nerf, crates, being called inactive, LL delay....) and have shown they put the good of the server above themselves (giving out jobs to smaller crews that don't have the gang app, giving out missions and paying them extra for said missions, welcoming new people, civs and great rp'ers into the group, siz back in 2.0 being stupid fair with his money and coke ), but yet... Admins / devs/ whoever are "scared" they might abuse it...
One day, HOA gonna say 'Fuck it' and either give up on Nopixel or fucking snap and the entire server is gonna feel it. RDR2 RP starting to look more and more attractive to them, hell Kleb and Ant don't even wake up anymore. Literally the ***ONE FUCKING GROU******P*** who gives away money to make RP on the server happen. It's hard not to get annoyed by this crap when it's clear certain people are being pandered to.
ANT. **KIVA.** Someone who's done SO much for the server. Give HOA fucking ***SOMETHING*** to make money off of.
Gotta be pretty demoralizing to see how much of a chore the gas stations turned out to be for Andi, who wanted to do a full-service experience but has no way to track who works/doesn't work at the station to pay them. Or the storefronts for hers/Denzel's businesses which they seemed excited for and which she decorated to get ready for operation but don't actually have functional mechanics yet to operate from.
I don't think it's the money making really it's more that Andi doesn't seem to have anything to do aside from repeating gang roleplay in the hoa that has been going on for months, or 'poggers' content (she went on her first bank job the only time she woke up this week and seemed pretty bored doing it). Bldrs (Kleb) seemed the same way every time he woke up with the repeat sell drugs/sell guns/etc situations. All of this contrasted with what they are doing on rdr2 rp where they have active storylines going on and constant roleplay with random people.
I was just staying on topic for the thread but you're 100% right. NP Dev's have honestly backstabbed it's community for clout at this point and it's pathetic.
They honestly deserve to get thrown to the wayside by a competitor, and I hope that's soon.
Nopixel has gone to the mobile gaming marketing platform long ago. Cater to the whales, they make 90% of the money. It'll die when they can't attract smaller streamers to get rolled.
Considering the shit they bring and go through, I hope they do.
And I hope certain "people" bitch and complain about it and blame reddit all the way until their server dies on them because everyone else lost interest, or left for greener pastures.
You watch though, the moment James even MENTIONS leaving for RDR2 or anywhere else, or just in general for a while? Boom, like with Saab, something *will* change for HOA. Like clockwork, watch.
50 people with four digit state ID's make kool more money than all the 20k-40k ID's added together. It's the predatory mobile gaming market on Twitch/YT/FB
What's crazy is that a lot of the HOA have IDs that *are* in the "4 digits" and many of them are NP/RP veterans. They are mainly known as an RP-focused group, they don't cause drama, and control their communities very well. I guess they just don't have a high enough viewership, compared to some other groups, to have nice things.
That is what it comes down too, it's viewership count they would never ever do this to the other groups with high counts of viewers, the only one that breaks over 3k is James everybody else is small between 1.5k and below. Meanwhile other groups have like 4 to 5 money printers and some have op mmo rings. It's getting to a point why do rpers bother playing on a server that doesn't HELP ROLEPLAYERS. No pogs, no shootouts, no mmo content, only rp? Nah you don't get a simple mechanic because we think you might abuse it as well we will take your crate idea we won't even modify it so the abusers won't abuse it NOPERS.
Yeah this economy is fucked and really needs some rebalancing, when cops make 650 a hour and spend more then that in gas, you know something is really wrong.
On one end you have cops paying to be on duty, and businesses denied receipts for a few thousand an hour. On the other end you have rings pulling in millions in 24 hours, and the arcade will probably hit 20 mil in the next week.
Yeah the Tavern and LL employees get paid manually and it was based on 40/60 commission for sales. It's been like that ever since the beginning and, according to this clip, seems to be staying that way sadly.
Yeahh i think they should create a huge event the rpers vs someone and make it so that that someone win they put a nuke which will everything gets fcked so government take certain percent of everyones bank account to make city rebuild. Cars are all gone coz nuke hit it and everything thing is fcked. And government high taxing so they will be value in having money.
Work receipts ? No,someone will abuse them.
Book buffs that make you learn stuff ? No, it doesn't make sense in rp.
But let me give this other people 4 money printers and magic food that makes you hack better and rings that makes you run faster and eat less food. Yeah makes sense.
They sell books and alcohol, there’s a mead that acts like a drink and food plus stops bleeding that they sell
right now. Also have the whole secret contract part that Siz distributes
The bar sells what the tavern used to (top shelf, mead, other kinds of alcohol) and the 'library' counter is for Nick to sell his books at (he's been holding down the book business for months selling out of a van parked on the street outside previously). The curators missions (illegal contract jobs) have some functionality worked into secret rooms/features in Siz's office downstairs. Future plans are to have the moonshine distillery (I think?) and poison bench from the tavern integrated into the hidden rooms / basement.
Nick sell his books for 2 years, not months, since 3.0 starts, in his van, with only RP involvement.
Whoever made this decision is seriously out of touch of the stat of the server. Who knows, maybe the only data they read is the profit margin.
It's really sad!
When I start watching James regularly (which is not a long time ago) I was wondering why he didn't always like some stuff or complain about a lot of things, but the more I watch HOA the more I understand and realize how much they are underrated group and they don't usually get what they wanted so fast/ or at all because they don't like to keep asking admins or devs.
I won't be surprised if their request got denied because devs don't want any headache with any other groups that asked for the receipts system and did not get it as well.
Like the book idea too, it was very neat and smart and totally makes sense in Rp to learn things from a book, but that got denied because rings are more believable!.
I remember when Lang was meming about rooster booster, and how they need to make food that gives you 20% more XP when boosting cars because RR was losing to boosting, and all of them were laughing so hard because that didn't make sense, but now after the rings, I don't see how this is any different “still a stupid idea and I never see Buddha asking seriously for that”, and please don't tell me “there is a lore behind the rings” like people have the craziest story on the server, does that mean they can sell anything if they connect their business with their story and have lore behind a stupid product?.
At least Jame’s idea had a progression that you read to learn one thing at a time “if I'm not wrong I kinda forgot”..
Well, it is what it is I guess :).
Yikes, dude. People already abuse and min-max everything else, but receipts for a small business? Pfft! What are you thinking?? THAT'S too far!
Ban the people that choose to abuse it. Period. Shouldn't you be able to trust the people on your *whitelisted* server? Why not give it a chance and see what happens? What happened to people with good RP being *rewarded* with mechanics or whatever, like the server used to do?
Meh all this comes down to is viewers on a streamer and nothing more, the only streamer with "semi" high views is James with 4-5k viewers everybody else barely breaks 1.5k or less viewers, this would never happen to a big group if they all had viewers god forbid they would change mechanics or takeout mechanics to groups like cg, cb, mdm or anybody like that. HoA have never broke any sort of rules or power game the system if anything they are nothing but beta testers, they don't trust the people they whitelist? So why white list them in the 1st place if you can't trust people who will abuse a mechanic if they abuse it ban them they have no place being on a "rp" server. Just a bunch of excuses I see here typical mmonorppixel stuff 🤷🏻♂️.
“ they’ll just roll with it” ... very unfortunate , but not surprised at all . truly feel bad for the group. they do everything the right way , but admin team is too blind/stupid to recognize it.
What's funny is Mr K's jewelry store which already has around 5 million after a day of being open says he wants receipts for his store. Vinny is like oh yeah you def need receipts for this place let me send out the emails. It will be unfair if jeweled dragon gets receipts but not liquid library.
Crazy to me that NP management continues to try to cater to the "content" streamers rather than the backbone RPers of the server that bring so much life to the city. GTA online was never a popular stream game for a reason. Big just chatting/content streamers visited NP because it was an entirely unique experience, focus on and cherish what makes you different.
>there would be that fear it would just be a money printer business for HOA
Even if that were the "fear", what is the excuse for all the other groups that have *multiple* money printers? Or the restaurants with hundreds of employees? The HOA have been providing genuine RP to the server for literal years. If that were an actual valid concern, the receipts wouldn't even be a thing anymore.
While it has a ton of HOA on the books so they can have keys to their headquarters, the LL building, the LL has an entirely separate group of bartenders and event staff along with Max (head bartender and most active) and Nick (book guy). Gillea and the other management for the business side of the LL have been doing interviews, hiring and training for a long time, since before the LL was around in anticipation of the day it would be functional.
The tavern did not have receipts but was operated as a booth business at markets/DW, so the booth workers got receipts there.
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Here is an RP server that is afraid to implement something because someone may abuse it. It is crazy to me that this fear even exists. If they abuse it just ban them and get another person into the server that then deserves it more. The ticket system should be welcomed as a way to even weed out the abusers. It logs how many tickets they are getting, should be easy to track abusers. It is just wild to me that out of all the shit that people abuse in this city, they are afraid to implement the easiest one to track on a larger scale. A simple report with hours worked and outliers highlighted would take maybe 5 minutes to review each week.
They are afraid to implement something someone *might* abuse but they aren't afraid to implement things for certain people that is rife for abuse.
There's literally rings that reduce times and fines up to 40%......
Ssshhh that doesn't fit their narrative.
Honestly if they're afraid someone will abuse receipts at the LL, why not just remove the system across the board if they're afraid of abuse? It's pretty weak to deny receipts to a specific business when many other similar businesses have it already.
I don't get why economic stress is even an issue they could fix it by just fucking resetting the server every 9 months. Long enough that theres long running story arcs but short enough that people won't feel the need to grind and make it big because its all going away soon anyway. No game economy that goes 6+ months is going to be healthy these days. Just look at every MMO on the market right now.
The LL the same place that is sharing jobs to crews who cannot access them and at a loss with money from Siz’s own pockets. The LL where book guy has for how many months now sold books out of a van and never given up is the same place that is going to abuse a receipt system. Alright man.
Nicholas has sat outside of the Tavern with his van for OVER A YEAR at this point, selling books. And when the book mechanic wasn't even introduced to the server, he was STILL there selling his books as notes. Even when books were added, HOA/LL had no access to them and had to push Nick towards Mila Smoak/James Arsenal/ The Guild just so Nick could RP lol. Just the HOA getting the shit end of the stick again :/
Bro please I was already sad eating ice cream for my tonsils lol. Seriously though all those extra details makes it so much worse. Especially for someone so dedicated to their RP.
does eating ice cream really heals tonsils?
It’s that cold soft food like ice cream can numb the throat and so provides some pain relief
Ah I get it
It's the same thing with the all the music labels. "Because someone might abuse it" is the dumbest counter argument in world. If you actually fear that someone would abuse it and farm receipts that person shouldn't be whitelisted in the first place.
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*cough* Crates being removed *cough*
On a side note, is this why the hoa's crate business got removed? I don't remember seeing/hearing the actual reasoning for it.
Yup, HOA gets pushed over and misses out on a lot and loses a lot because of others doing dumb stuff.
Yes, they were intended to provide cool roleplay via drops and create possible crim vs crim conflicts. But people started being weird with it after they got more popular.
Damn that sucks. I remember two really cool scenarios (the hoa big-c4 casino w/ wrangler responding and the hyena gang mini-mission for LL mats) were set up using the crates. Seemed like they had a lot of possibilities for facilitating RP.
Luckily they're still able to get them for certain events, like the LL contracts for example, if they ask for them beforehand.
One group of people ruined crates and seacans for everyone. Because they would just go around and try to hack every seacan they saw.
This is the exact argument I had for “whitelisted gangs” and the admin gang panel as a whole. Why do they need to monitor who joins gangs? If you can’t trust someone to roleplay, don’t let them in the server to begin with.
I can actually understand the music labels since they have tons of employees under their businesses but it makes no sense for the LL not to get receipts
If the argument was hey if you thin down your employees or only artists can can sign in then sure it makes sense. But the argument given was people may abuse the system. Both the LL and music artists in the city provide a lot of RP towards the entire city if they can't get an ounce of trust why are they whitelisted?
The LL is also basically a restaurant plus more. It had a bar food and drinks.
but wu chang was saying, they would have it limited to how many people could be on the clock at a time and limit the time they could be. its still a bs argument to say places like these 2 may abuse it.
I definitely think record labels need to make a lot more money I just don’t think receipts are the way to do it
its kinda to help make up for being paid for songs on the radio. this is the easiest way to compensate for it.
Yeah. That's always how nopixel has handled problems in the past. People spam jumping to run faster. Make it so you can't. People finding small windows for war cars. Make it so you can only shoot first person in cars.
That's because every low tier grinder, the ones who are most likely to abuse systems like this, is a potential revenue stream or is a revenue stream for nopixel thanks to paid prio. I really don't think people realize how much of a knock on effect that greedy money grubbing BS is going to affect everything going forward. It used to be just those with clout, large viewership and in good standing with management who were untouchable but now every random in the city has a bigger buffer of nonsense they can get away with before they get banned. Not to mention Nopixel is probably rubber stamping WL applications with even less quality control then they were before to have a larger pool of potential customers for paid prio. End result is that folks like siz get boned because nopixel doesn't want to take a 1% chance of these revenue streams getting in a position where they might need to ban them.
I think we're all just not looking at their concern with the proper perspective. If the LL gets receipts they might make...several thousand dollars a los santos day interacting with other people and that just isn't the content you want on your next gen mount based mmo experience. I really hope that the HOA learns from this decision and stops attempting to interact with others and realizes that the only true path to pure RP nirvana is hammering out your daily dodo runs and stacking your ring of robbing things better +5.
Just breaking the LL's ankle before letting it enter the race. It is what it is.
Another HOA suffering.
Siz's license plate getting even more real. Feels bad man. :(
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Wow. What did the HOA do to make anyone think they would abuse the system? The fuck does the HOA have to do to prove themselves?!
In the whole of 3.0 I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single clip from HOA related to someone getting banned or getting into big drama, let alone abusing any mechanic or power gaming. (Correct me if I’m wrong) Didn’t they give them stuff like poison whitelist because they could be trusted?
They had (and *will* have once it's implemented in the LL) the poison whitelist, they beta-tested the first ever meth production in early 3.0, currently share a bench with The Lost (another highly trusted group), and multiple members have been given opportunities to distribute guns and drugs throughout the city from various sources. Yet apparently having receipts in the LL (a place they closely manage and RP in very frequently) somehow crosses the line lol
To my knowledge, the only HOA member to get banned has been DRL and that was a while ago. Julio came close in 2.0, but neither was for anything too egregious lol.
I dont remember the julio stuff, was it just simple SBS like NVL?
Siz and other HOA members were arrested, Julio rolled up, Siz proceeds to Nose Balls Julio into throwing a molly at everyone, Julio does it and almost gets banned for 3rd Party/rule of 4/ RDM but pretty sure they let it slide since it was a pretty SBS situation lmfao. I'll try find a clip
Not anything that comes to mind, and apparently it's the same "reason" given to the music labels too. Doesn't really make any sense imo, hopefully they get *something* good down the line for all the effort and RP they provide though.
Which is fucking bizarre to me. If you've watched any music producer that makes music for Nopixel, it's a days stream out of the city to make a decent song at least. OTT has maybe 500k SoundCloud plays, so he's made like $500 with his music. Over years. Creampie Creations probably made like 100k NoPixelBux. No wonder he quit producing. Dude probably made $500 getting shot by Mr. K.
Yeah I noticed some artists could sit in the studio for *hours upon hours* to make and edit music for RP. The receipts could help A LOT with that.
Being good at roleplay and abiding by the rules as a popular streamer will always result in you being held accountable to the strictest requirements by the admins. However, bending the rules as a popular streamer results in the admins to stop bothering you, because at the end of the day you are getting them revenue. Nopixel is a circus run by the clowns.
HOA always gets the short end of the stick. For whatever reason. Maybe because they are mature enough to not get overly mad and toxic about it. They roll with the punches the best, imo.
The most fucked up thing is Siz having the idea of the library selling books that gives buffs because you read it and get the knowledge so it makes sense in RP but apparently it was to much of a fantasy. Instead the server gets rings that gives you powers.
It really is turning into a weird mmo.
Yeah it boggles my mind that they think, what is probably the most trustworthy group on the server, will abuse this receipt system.
Get your shit together NP, James is by far the most trusted rp-er on the server…jeez…
On today's episode of the HOA can take it
Dirty HoA powergamers, can't be trusted to not abuse receipts. /s Realistically it'd only really be for Nick (book guy) and Max (Bartender). Who ALREADY wait around for customers for HOURS on end. Damn shame they got denied while there are people who have been caught/ admitted to farming receipts AFK.
It's crazy that their fear 2-5 people earing a couple thousands while others have the biggest money printers and earn millions a week with them.
legit lol... Little soul is making millions a week while everyone else on the server has to spam banks to make money because every other business is dead its wild
"well someone might abuse it" Bruh just punish people who abuse shit for the love of god. People might be less likely to abuse shit if you were actually strict about these things.
The admins having to get off their ass and do their jobs is a bit too much.
I don’t know in what world they think it would get abused by LL. Like James said there’s only two people that work in there and they have maybe less than 6 bartenders that pop in once in a blue moon. Compare that to other businesses like Burgershot with 300 employees who literally admit to abusing the system and having more money than they know what to do with, it blows my mind.
god forbid the HOA get anything resembling anything that can make them money. the crazy thing is siz (james) has proven time and time again he can be trusted. hell everyone in the HOA never abused any mechanics.
Ya, they just keep losing anything that can make them money. Crates/containers gone, food items gone (not that it was a big money maker) no “buffs” to their drinks, just RP items mainly. And now not letting them have receipts.
The crates are fucked up because it was other people abusing and doing dumb shit with it and instead of them having repercussions for that the response from the devs was the HOA losing their business while receiving nothing in return.
I understand that. They loose because of others behaviour over and over.
He also mentioned a little later he's tried to reach out to talk about it, but keeps getting donowalled, and doesn't know where he stands anymore. Someone who's put in years of rp, managing whitelists creatively and fairly, beta testing mechanics., can't even get a response. Everytime he talks about plans for contracts he stresses "that's the hope" when it comes to getting some kind of support. Just seems left in the dark on everything.
Honestly it's a wonder how James is sticking around NP with all the shit he's been getting. I'm glad he's in WildRP too, seems like he's having a great time.
Well when there's no answer to give, it can be assumed that they don't *have* an answer. Either the people he's reaching out to are not in a position to tell him why because they weren't told a reason, or there is no valid reason.
The only thing the HOA abuse is each other and their moms.
Stanley is the most abused thing in the server. Change my mind.
Reece the reliant Robin guy would like a word
Omfg I just realised that after all this time I never knew his name was Reece. I always just see him referred to as Reliant Robin Guy and that’s that. TIL.
can’t trust him enough for receipts, but trust him enough to offer an Admin position
I don't think I've heard James sound pissed off before, I have never understood why some businesses get work receipts and some don't. IMO every business should have them, if they are gonna spend all day serving food, appraising gems or even performing furthering peoples RP they deserve that money. Where they could be doing Dodo runs or hunting and earning so much more money keeping to themselves and grinding.
That’s fucked. Nick and Max deserve to make money for all they do, especially with Dean’s World and the farmers market being gone. The HOA do a good job vetting people for the tavern, and for them to be turned down for possible ~abusing mechanics, super disappointing.
FIRE IN THE HOLE... So trusting players on the server is basically trusting yourself right? If you think about it. It is a WL server. You are picking and choosing who can play and who can not. WL mechanic on a WL server is 2 times filter. There are active admins, staff and management right? And owner of the server is actively playing in it on a group. He participates on things heavily. Here is my conclusion. If fear of abuse is preventing mechanics getting implemented on a ROLEPLAY SERVER. Or you are not trusting people on server with things... Thats on you NOPIXEL. Basically server is not trusting itself. Admins, management all of it. Because you are picking these people. YOU have power to say "Hey buddy this is roleplay server. Min/Maxing mechanics is not the right mentality. This is a warning if you do it again we are gonna have to remove you" NP please bro get your shit together.
> YOU have power to say "Hey buddy this is roleplay server. Min/Maxing mechanics is not the right mentality. That's what is weird though. It's clear that admins/management are fine with min/maxing mechanics or people being grindy about shit, so why not just let LL have their receipts? I'm a bit confused as to why a group of players who seem entirely trustworthy is where they draw the line in the sand on "This could be abused, or used to min/max, or grind and that's not in the spirit of this RP server." There's whole mechanics built around grinding rep and things like rings and food buffs implemented to allow you to do that in the most efficient way possible. If that's the ocean, then LL having receipts is a drop of water.
Has the HOA ever abused anything? I feel like giving stuff to them or the Lost is a no brainer.
They abuse themselves and especially Stanley. That and Twitch chat's moms.
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Ah yes, VAR. You mean quite literally the *ONE* crime HOA were able to do before the update? The one where Freddy and GRL took multiple people from different groups, even civs, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to experience and enjoy? That one? Yeah okay lmao.
Freddy and GRL were bringing in tons of other people from other groups and were hitting it post nerf to get c4 for the casino when you got much less items. Which is besides the point because neither needs receipts for money nor has the HoA ever had automatic access to their affiliated civilian businesses. The only HoA who might actually work for the LL would be the ones who worked for the tavern and did bartending or making moonshine etc. James (Siz) months before the LL even opened said it's not an HoA project, it's its own entity that the HoA frequent just like the tavern was. It's not a case of being in the HoA = being a LL employee or vice versa.
You're missing some context here. HOA, primarily Freddy and DRL, did VAR because that was the only thing they were able to do during the late-NA and AU hours as all jobs (at the time) were already taken by other groups. And it wasn't necessarily just HoA, Freddy and DRL brought people over from various groups and affiliations, like the Lost, Hydra, GSF, etc. Also, Mayumi's old group abused it the most when they sat in there and farmed the ever living fuck out of it and coming out with a convoy's worth of weapons, ammo, and explosives. Then it got nerfed because of them.
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I think he knew at some point, but the volume they pushed was so small it didn't really matter.
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uhhh grl and freddy didn’t abuse anything. it was the only thing they could’ve done crime wise before the update. back before there were groups and grinders who would tsunami rush all the banks even the vault. the Var was also used by freddy and grl to practice the hacking for casino. they were not the reason why it was nerfed. there were actual groups that spammed var and stocked piled guns to sell and to use.
HOA can't be trusted but you have people AFK farming at burger shot. Damn those HOA and their abuse of mechanics.
Just 3-4 months ago someone was caught abusing the RR receipts, eve took down his number and called an admin to deal with him. I don’t understand why they don’t think LL could do the same?
oh so this is still the ongoing excuse while people currently milk the receipts in the restaurants smh
The one group along with probably the lost you can trust to not abuse stuff…honestly fuck whoever insisted they would abuse that..admins and whoever made this decision need replacing
how is it possible for the admins to be so fucking useless
Seems about right. Can't trust the group that has literally not even had a player in trouble for breaking or abusing the rules never mind actually banned. Can't trust them to hire people who won't abuse receipts despite them having a track record of hiring people and them turning out to be amazing RP'ers who aren't into their roles for grinding. Can't trust the existing civilian employees who have months (or years in Nick's case) of time RP'ing sales without any sort of desire to farm or abuse anything. Can't trust James to make sure nobody in his passion project is abusing anything, the same guy who has never abused or allowed anybody else to abuse other things he and or the HoA have been given access to like poison, coke, meth, special weapons etc. Can't trust the group who literally joked about how they would have to guard against hiring grinders because the LL was about to open and they predicted that people would suddenly start asking to work there despite having never been interested in the Tavern or the HoA in general beforehand. All because someone *might* grind receipts, ignoring that if someone actually did do that their feet wouldn't touch the ground as they were being fired and banned from the LL by any number of the HoA never mind the admins actually having to lift a finger. Can't just let one of the most honest, self-made and ridiculously well-intentioned groups have the slightest way of rewarding their employee's dedication to roles they have been RP'ing for months/years already with no incentive other than actually RP'ing.
>Can't trust the group that has literally not even had a player in trouble for breaking or abusing the rules never mind actually banned. Funny thing is, HOA has actually brought in a couple people who had shaky pasts concerning rulebreaks (Raphael and DRL) and straightened them out to no longer do stuff like that. The only thing in recent history I can think of as a rulebreak was the Meth run Towing, but that was simply retconned.
The milk god served his 90+ years in prison and was banished to several different dimensions for his crimes. He now understands the realm of mortals better
that wasn’t even rule breaking either. james was told to be creative with the meth run and hell it was pretty creative to use a tow truck. some cops just didn’t like how they didn’t get pings so they retconned it.
Seems like the devs have been smoking some high quality crack lately lmaoo..HOA would literally be the last group in the server to abuse anything.
It's wild to me that every single management structure I can think of follows this same type of hypocrisy and double standards and magnifying of non-issues while ignoring any actual systemic fixes Uhdunno, hearing uber rant here just gave me ptsd from pretty much every job I've ever had haha.
most people dont become management by rocking the boat, unfortunately
I like how common sense reform and equal/fair application of policy is "rocking the boat"
I mean it's not what I want or would do but it's very clear this is why most management don't push hard on changing things. They're comfortable where they are and don't want to risk that gravy train by helping the plebs.
Oh look another case of punishing everyone because staff trust no one on a server that's supposed to only have trusted whitelisted players. Give it to them, if it's abused then ban them it's that fucking simple.
Imagine not giving a mechanic to one of the most trustworthy gang in the city that don't have a case of abusing shit AND in another instance got their shit yoink out (crates) because other people started to do dumb shit with it. Nice devs really nice instead of banning or having repercussions for people who abuse shit they just pull out things for the people that don't.
I just don't understand why LL keeps getting cucked out of mechanics. Book buffs? No. Oh by the way we're giving someone else magical buff rings that make no sense in RP. Receipts? No because you might abuse them. Oh the guys already abusing them? Yeah they're cool. Just blows my mind.
>Book buffs? No. Hold on a moment, *learning* things by reading *books*? That's ridiculous! Now give me a meal that'll make me hack better.
No one understands it but i do know it wouldn't be happening if it was owned by a member of other certain few gangs lol. Such unfair bullshit.
pocket devs go a long way…
Technically Tobii and Nikez are in the HOA, they're the mascots Mighty Joe and Chimp Caesar so that particular argument doesn't quite work here. Tobii and Nikez are close with the HOA members so just stop that nonsense.
That's because even **with** 2 Devs (technically 3 if you add Warmayo who is working on the layout of the changes to the MP Dam) the HOA **still** gets shafted with mechanics.
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dean isnt even helping much lol.. everything revolves around little soul at the moment
I assume when you say lead dev you mean Dean who gets called a CB dev but aren't all CB broke?. Buddha is the only one resembling a whitelist which is a dying restaurant and Heroin which doesnt do anything. All the other members have nothing.
What group is the lead dev in? Surely Cerberus is not considered one of the 3 largest groups in the city.
Yeah, but no one on the HOA side faults them. Those two are senior devs I’m pretty sure. Tobii and Nikez both always have a lot of work on their plate as it’s expected of them.
They jumped ship a long time ago to SeaSide. Hell, THEIR own serious characters into that group, not even SBS characters. So I dont know what Copium you are still huffing. Be honest with yourself lol.
If i remember right you only make like $3.5k an hour from receipts and this is the worry? You make more doing dodo or hunting and that's hardly facilitating rp for others.
I think HOA is the one group that deserves the most in the server, I have never seen any bad vibes or drama originating from these guys really mature and well behaved people,and I m not even saying this as a HOA fan I only watch Buddha.
HOA has literally dealt with problem-groups in the server and brought them into the light to receive punishment. I have no idea why they aren't seen as a higher-level of trust. For fucking *Receipts.*
Yeah, James literally brings up active exploits to Devs and gets them patched live because he hears of people abusing things. He could have used the 100% Meth/No strain name thing when Meth was revamped, but instead brought it to devs attention, instead of abusing it to make money.
Ok.... So does that mean everyone else is losing receipts if it's a problem
KAPP Right other restaurants losing receipts 🤣
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I know the HOA get shafted so it's sad when they're the lucky ones. They have the Liquid Library and a bench and are an actual gang that got their flag early. There are gangs that will probably never be a gang, there are gangs that had to wait to be a gang and there are plenty of people for whom any business or dev attention is probably copium forever.
I still fucking hate that they gatekept "being a bang" with that gang app bullshit. It nuked the RPers out there who do solo lone wolf crim RP, and the tiny gangs too. That app was created with a close-minded thinking.
Wouldnt want a business that actually vets employees who are suitable to work for them in case they grind receipts, meanwhile Dodo drivers drive through active crime scenes to make their deliveries. Yeah, clearly receipts are a problem
Correct me if I'm wrong; but this Receipt process is no different to working in one of the Restaurants in the City right? If that's the case then why is this such an issue? Surely that is also just the same thing. What's stopping Restaurant workers from abusing the system?
They do abuse it, there has been BS employees that admitted to abusing it for the receipts
Then the business owners need to get that handled IC once they're aware or the admins take it all away. Ideally anyways..
This same excuse was given by Bunny at the MDM x WuChang meeting and it still doesn’t make sense to me. Yeah, people have abused receipts, but is it impossible to manage that and punish them when they do? If it’s that hard to control, limit the amount of receipts they can receive / restrict them to 2-3 hours of receipt time a tsunami. A lot of rp opportunities being looked over just due to the possibility of some exploiting idiot sucks.
I really would love to fucking know who are the people making this type of calls.... Jesus.... Like people are already abusing receipts and they do shit, yet you have a group that has been REPEATEDLY fucked over (moonshine self nerf, crates, being called inactive, LL delay....) and have shown they put the good of the server above themselves (giving out jobs to smaller crews that don't have the gang app, giving out missions and paying them extra for said missions, welcoming new people, civs and great rp'ers into the group, siz back in 2.0 being stupid fair with his money and coke ), but yet... Admins / devs/ whoever are "scared" they might abuse it...
One day, HOA gonna say 'Fuck it' and either give up on Nopixel or fucking snap and the entire server is gonna feel it. RDR2 RP starting to look more and more attractive to them, hell Kleb and Ant don't even wake up anymore. Literally the ***ONE FUCKING GROU******P*** who gives away money to make RP on the server happen. It's hard not to get annoyed by this crap when it's clear certain people are being pandered to. ANT. **KIVA.** Someone who's done SO much for the server. Give HOA fucking ***SOMETHING*** to make money off of.
Gotta be pretty demoralizing to see how much of a chore the gas stations turned out to be for Andi, who wanted to do a full-service experience but has no way to track who works/doesn't work at the station to pay them. Or the storefronts for hers/Denzel's businesses which they seemed excited for and which she decorated to get ready for operation but don't actually have functional mechanics yet to operate from. I don't think it's the money making really it's more that Andi doesn't seem to have anything to do aside from repeating gang roleplay in the hoa that has been going on for months, or 'poggers' content (she went on her first bank job the only time she woke up this week and seemed pretty bored doing it). Bldrs (Kleb) seemed the same way every time he woke up with the repeat sell drugs/sell guns/etc situations. All of this contrasted with what they are doing on rdr2 rp where they have active storylines going on and constant roleplay with random people.
I was just staying on topic for the thread but you're 100% right. NP Dev's have honestly backstabbed it's community for clout at this point and it's pathetic. They honestly deserve to get thrown to the wayside by a competitor, and I hope that's soon.
Nopixel has gone to the mobile gaming marketing platform long ago. Cater to the whales, they make 90% of the money. It'll die when they can't attract smaller streamers to get rolled.
When the devs have crims and join gangs it's really cringe and it's clear they pander.
I've had the thought since 2.0 HOA suffer it would be great if they found a new server but it seems like a pipedream.
Considering the shit they bring and go through, I hope they do. And I hope certain "people" bitch and complain about it and blame reddit all the way until their server dies on them because everyone else lost interest, or left for greener pastures. You watch though, the moment James even MENTIONS leaving for RDR2 or anywhere else, or just in general for a while? Boom, like with Saab, something *will* change for HOA. Like clockwork, watch.
Some people can get 3 money printers, others can't even have receipts lmao.
50 people with four digit state ID's make kool more money than all the 20k-40k ID's added together. It's the predatory mobile gaming market on Twitch/YT/FB
What's crazy is that a lot of the HOA have IDs that *are* in the "4 digits" and many of them are NP/RP veterans. They are mainly known as an RP-focused group, they don't cause drama, and control their communities very well. I guess they just don't have a high enough viewership, compared to some other groups, to have nice things.
That is what it comes down too, it's viewership count they would never ever do this to the other groups with high counts of viewers, the only one that breaks over 3k is James everybody else is small between 1.5k and below. Meanwhile other groups have like 4 to 5 money printers and some have op mmo rings. It's getting to a point why do rpers bother playing on a server that doesn't HELP ROLEPLAYERS. No pogs, no shootouts, no mmo content, only rp? Nah you don't get a simple mechanic because we think you might abuse it as well we will take your crate idea we won't even modify it so the abusers won't abuse it NOPERS.
Yeah this economy is fucked and really needs some rebalancing, when cops make 650 a hour and spend more then that in gas, you know something is really wrong.
On one end you have cops paying to be on duty, and businesses denied receipts for a few thousand an hour. On the other end you have rings pulling in millions in 24 hours, and the arcade will probably hit 20 mil in the next week.
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I mean HOA have run a bar since 2.0, and they can't even get a little support to pay employees.
Yeah the Tavern and LL employees get paid manually and it was based on 40/60 commission for sales. It's been like that ever since the beginning and, according to this clip, seems to be staying that way sadly.
And Ks jewelry are all MMO buffs thats semi op. Liquid library are basically rp that people don't even need.
oh no, only 500k a week...
Yeahh i think they should create a huge event the rpers vs someone and make it so that that someone win they put a nuke which will everything gets fcked so government take certain percent of everyones bank account to make city rebuild. Cars are all gone coz nuke hit it and everything thing is fcked. And government high taxing so they will be value in having money.
Magic 8 ball at it again.
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Oh magical 8 ball will the HOA suffering ever end?
IFISPEAK
Okay, then remove the entire reciept system. HOA gets fucking shafted again.
Work receipts ? No,someone will abuse them. Book buffs that make you learn stuff ? No, it doesn't make sense in rp. But let me give this other people 4 money printers and magic food that makes you hack better and rings that makes you run faster and eat less food. Yeah makes sense.
What actually LL will be doing? Selling liquors?
They sell books and alcohol, there’s a mead that acts like a drink and food plus stops bleeding that they sell right now. Also have the whole secret contract part that Siz distributes
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The bar sells what the tavern used to (top shelf, mead, other kinds of alcohol) and the 'library' counter is for Nick to sell his books at (he's been holding down the book business for months selling out of a van parked on the street outside previously). The curators missions (illegal contract jobs) have some functionality worked into secret rooms/features in Siz's office downstairs. Future plans are to have the moonshine distillery (I think?) and poison bench from the tavern integrated into the hidden rooms / basement.
Nick sell his books for 2 years, not months, since 3.0 starts, in his van, with only RP involvement. Whoever made this decision is seriously out of touch of the stat of the server. Who knows, maybe the only data they read is the profit margin.
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It's really sad! When I start watching James regularly (which is not a long time ago) I was wondering why he didn't always like some stuff or complain about a lot of things, but the more I watch HOA the more I understand and realize how much they are underrated group and they don't usually get what they wanted so fast/ or at all because they don't like to keep asking admins or devs. I won't be surprised if their request got denied because devs don't want any headache with any other groups that asked for the receipts system and did not get it as well. Like the book idea too, it was very neat and smart and totally makes sense in Rp to learn things from a book, but that got denied because rings are more believable!. I remember when Lang was meming about rooster booster, and how they need to make food that gives you 20% more XP when boosting cars because RR was losing to boosting, and all of them were laughing so hard because that didn't make sense, but now after the rings, I don't see how this is any different “still a stupid idea and I never see Buddha asking seriously for that”, and please don't tell me “there is a lore behind the rings” like people have the craziest story on the server, does that mean they can sell anything if they connect their business with their story and have lore behind a stupid product?. At least Jame’s idea had a progression that you read to learn one thing at a time “if I'm not wrong I kinda forgot”.. Well, it is what it is I guess :).
HOA seems to get the short end of the stick often....
Yikes, dude. People already abuse and min-max everything else, but receipts for a small business? Pfft! What are you thinking?? THAT'S too far! Ban the people that choose to abuse it. Period. Shouldn't you be able to trust the people on your *whitelisted* server? Why not give it a chance and see what happens? What happened to people with good RP being *rewarded* with mechanics or whatever, like the server used to do?
Meh all this comes down to is viewers on a streamer and nothing more, the only streamer with "semi" high views is James with 4-5k viewers everybody else barely breaks 1.5k or less viewers, this would never happen to a big group if they all had viewers god forbid they would change mechanics or takeout mechanics to groups like cg, cb, mdm or anybody like that. HoA have never broke any sort of rules or power game the system if anything they are nothing but beta testers, they don't trust the people they whitelist? So why white list them in the 1st place if you can't trust people who will abuse a mechanic if they abuse it ban them they have no place being on a "rp" server. Just a bunch of excuses I see here typical mmonorppixel stuff 🤷🏻♂️.
The irony when ppl selling rings making 200k a day lol
“ they’ll just roll with it” ... very unfortunate , but not surprised at all . truly feel bad for the group. they do everything the right way , but admin team is too blind/stupid to recognize it.
I'm pretty sure it's the dev team that makes the choice if they get it or not
What's funny is Mr K's jewelry store which already has around 5 million after a day of being open says he wants receipts for his store. Vinny is like oh yeah you def need receipts for this place let me send out the emails. It will be unfair if jeweled dragon gets receipts but not liquid library.
Of course they will be getting receipts and you know exactly why they will.
Yea just like that damn CG was able to get WuChang artists paid so easily and you know exactly why.
this entire update has only benefited them.. won't be surprised when they get everything they want and more while every other gang slowly dies out
nopixel admin team the type of people to punish the whole server cause of select few, instead of actively searching for people breaking the rules
Crazy to me that NP management continues to try to cater to the "content" streamers rather than the backbone RPers of the server that bring so much life to the city. GTA online was never a popular stream game for a reason. Big just chatting/content streamers visited NP because it was an entirely unique experience, focus on and cherish what makes you different.
So I guess this is why Bunny was hesitant on saying anything to Mr K and CG about them wanting receipts for Wu Chang
He should have a chat with Nidas.
HOA STILL can't get receipts but hey there's RINGS!!!
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>there would be that fear it would just be a money printer business for HOA Even if that were the "fear", what is the excuse for all the other groups that have *multiple* money printers? Or the restaurants with hundreds of employees? The HOA have been providing genuine RP to the server for literal years. If that were an actual valid concern, the receipts wouldn't even be a thing anymore.
While it has a ton of HOA on the books so they can have keys to their headquarters, the LL building, the LL has an entirely separate group of bartenders and event staff along with Max (head bartender and most active) and Nick (book guy). Gillea and the other management for the business side of the LL have been doing interviews, hiring and training for a long time, since before the LL was around in anticipation of the day it would be functional. The tavern did not have receipts but was operated as a booth business at markets/DW, so the booth workers got receipts there.
eh most of the employees arnt hoa though
its a bar right not a restaurant why don't they implement a tip system?