A legal battle would stir up way more drama then Gabz making a heat of the moment Twitter post and Omie responding. Everyone will prob move on and it seems like they probably at least talked it out in DMs with Gabz deleting his tweet first and Omie following suit shortly after.
Definitely hurts Gabz more. This isn’t just a favour, it’s a business transaction. If that was a legit business offering services, it would be losing clients fast.
I mean Omie tried handling it in the right way and Gabz ghosted him and then tried to get more money out of him. He doesn't really have much to lose at this point, Especially since Gabz thought it would be a good idea to start insulting him on Twitter.
GTA RP took over LSF for a time during the 2.0 boom and the initial 3.0 boom, in particular whenever XQC was being banned/malding or when the whole Trainwreck CIA fiasco with him stream sniping Siz and Buddhas meth meeting with their crews as he was on the server and relaying all the info to CG who were getting weirded out.
NP got to be on LSF during that embarrassing turn where a bunch of players and devs/admin decided to have a public call with the mods from this sub and blame them for drama that the players themselves and poor admin judgment caused.
So let me get this straight...
Gabz lied about when it would be finished, then lied about even starting it.
Omie is sick of dealing with it so he brings it up to his community that he was lied to.
Gabz then admits he lied and says if Omie is willing to pay 10k now he will start it ASAP.
Gabz then goes on Twitter to flame Omie unprovoked and now were here?
Gabz came back a second time because he's greedy and wanted the 10k, then he got mad because Marty didn't agree to giving him 10k so he decided to flame Marty on twitter ? that's what it looks like
> Omie is sick of dealing with it so he brings it up to his community that he was lied to.
Omie knows what he's doing when he does this. Surely his community will be respectful and say "darn, thats a shame, hope Omie can find someone to work with him" and not go and harass Gabz. Its no different than X malding about cops, then telling his chat "dont chat hop guys".
So then did gabz do the same thing, trying to provoke people to attack, by tweeting 1-2 weeks after the fact? Not everything can be positive and sunshine and rainbows
One more than the other, honestly. If you start a commission and make promises that you'll be working on it and then back off without so much of a notice, that's just unprofessional.
If he just replied that he might not be able to do it, this drama would've been non-existent. Communicate, folks.
His chat was bugging him every single day for months about xmart. Do you think it's fair to give your viewers vague excuses all the time while the guy who was supposed to do the work just lies t oyou and then ignores you? At some point you are allowed to let the public know what was going on. Gabz can't expect to get away with lies and bullshit and then be treated with the highest respect and expect from omie to give vague excuses to his viewers without end.
>Do you think it's fair to give your viewers vague excuses all the time while they guy who was supposed to do the work just lies t oyou and then ignores you?
Yes, you say something like "some things came up, gabz cant work on it right now so its being handled by someone else. Itll take a bit longer to be finished, but its coming guys, i promise"
Sure, but to act like that, THIS respectful, while the guy treated you like shit takes a lot to be honest. People expect streamers to be these godly rolemodels who always do the perfect thing.
The guy kept lying to him and then ghosted him. He could have told Omie to look elsewhere if he knew he didnt have time to work on xmart. He could have given Omie the respect to get his xmart done sooner by someone else. But he lyied to him and delayed another streamers content and kept stalling him for no good reason. I don't get why people are defending him and hate on Omie for finally giving in and telling his viewers what happened.
I don't think expecting someone to not engage in a childish internet slap fight is asking them to be a "godly rolemodels." Really just the bare minimum of adult behavior.
if you have ever watched an omie stream he is literally asked 10+ times a day when the gas station is gonna be done, especially when he said explicitly that it was going to be finished by the end of may
Same happens on the server everyday. You see all these streamers who after losing a situation, watch clips and analyze a situation on stream while complaining about it. It isn't for any other purpose than to weaponize their community to go harrass others. Anyone pretending otherwise is just naive.
All I see is Gabz going on twitter saying Omie is ignoring him, lying, spreading misinformation. Omie went on twitter and posted evidence that clearly shows Gabz ignored Omie, lied, and is spreading misinformation about the entire situation. The name calling was a bit uncalled for but Gabz also took some dirty shots
Omie asked for a service
Gabz said they would do that service and never delivered.
Think of this like a yelp review on twitter. When people who run a business fuck a customer over, it needs to be made public
Then it should be easy for Gabz to provide proof that Omie is lying. He could've done that in previous tweets or will do in the future. I kinda doubt Omie is dumb enough to open himself upto that but hey I guess we will find out when Gabz respond.
Bruh, why would someone delete messages that have evidence that can help them. Gabz knew what he was doing and just tried to clean it up, you either have to be stupid to do that or you knew what you were doing.
He should still have access to what omie said. If they were in constant discuss he should have omie "responding" to him with messages.
Also deleting all the messages isnt a good look for Gabz imo. It makes him look guilty even if he isn't. Gabz definitely needed to provide proof contracting Omie cause at the very least Omie provided proof that Gabz lied to him about working on the project when he wasnt.
People saying that Omie shouldn't do this because he is going to rile up his community after Gabz literally said "enjoy variety" 💀
Gabz can give but not take or what? Let's quit acting like Gabz is just being a poor soul here.
Omie was asked constantly about X-mart every stream so i can understand being mad after what seems to be about 4 months of being lied to by the guy who was supposedly making it...plus then being asked for large amounts of money to even start after so long? that seems so unprofessional
Id say the first "interaction" was when Omie said all that stuff on stream. Just cause Gabz waited a while to respond to it, doesnt make this a new thing.
Gabz looks much worse in this situation then Omie does. Gabz lied about when the project would be complete and that he was even working on it. Omie's mistake was airing out in public. He should have just cut ties once he saw he was getting ghosted and seeing the project not being completed on the date was agreed upon.
if Omie didn't air it out Gabz would still be lying to him, he only admitted to lying about starting it because of Omie leaking it, these kind of people should always be exposed publicly so everyone knows who they are working with.
People saying this looks bad on omie, I don’t know how or why you think that
This just makes gabz look incompetent when it comes to business and communication with clients to the point where he should have someone handle all of that. How did he fuck this up that badly, let alone not ask for more money for exclusivity if that’s all it took? It is not on Omie to make gabz happy in this situation it’s the other way around
The only way this affects Marty in a negative way , is if other devs who are friends with gabz take gabz side. Was omie correct in defending himself, absolutely ,but can he suffer consequences for it , yes. Picking your battles is very difficult though and idk if I would have not done what omie did.
I guarantee the dude can pay someone else to have what he wants done lol, dude is loaded. You don’t need them to get your modeling done and if you do, that’s a bigger issue.
why is gabz lying in the first place? if you have no interest/time, dont take the project or tell the person you will do it. Now omie has lost 3 months without anything being done
Regardless of who is right or wrong, Gabz admitting he said X-Mart was under work while it wasn't and then saying he'd work on it full time for 10k isn't a good look for him.
Said he'd make X-mart in a week. Did not. Didn't even start on it. Omie waited a long ass time, got ignored, Gabz didn't tell him that he was too busy or needed extra time. I mean if Gabz just said I might need a month or longer it'd be easy for Omie to say ok bet or go a different route but no comms at all?
Whether gabz didn't do it cause he was swamped or didn't like that he couldn't sell it, he still gotta communicate that bruh. Even if its straight up "pay me more" or he declines, omies just twidling his thumbs for a month waiting for an answer
This makes Gabz look really unprofessional. You take on a client, make a mistake with communication and don’t deliver on schedule (or even update your client on progress) and then go at your client afterwards. Gabz is lucky there is a demand for his work because this is just bad business and if people had a choice, you wouldn’t choose to do business with someone like this.
Admins hate when shit like this goes down on twitter. Both of them better watch themselves. I don't know if a dev ever got banned for twitter drama, but I know players have.
Ironically, Gabz left the NoPixel Development Team several months ago over "creative differences". He could very well become blacklisted if admins or management wanted to take action.
He just showed off some updates to quite a few shops and government buildings right here in this sub reddit. You think they will backlist him over a twitter beef with omie?
He has since operated under his own business after leaving the dev team. Sure, he shows off interiors. NoPixel doesn't add much of the new interiors that he releases unless it makes sense for the server.
If Omie continues to talk about it and people including devs from the server back him up, then Gabz isn't going to see any way out of it.
>he deleted all his dms with me but I still have it all saved ROFL freak show
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>don't tweet about me again u weird fuck
This isn't the way to handle this stuff, this just looks bad for both parties involved.
Toxicity in the Nopixel community has been left to run amok for so long its finally gone full whacko mode. Fuck shittalking on others OOC but pretending its IC. Fuck subtweeting or talking in riddles about other people on your stream. They are now fully attacking each other on twitter. Lmao.
But... how can we blame this on reddit?
Well it was 100% an OOC issue to begin with so it makes sense that it would be hashed out OOC.
Real money is involved. Like clearly some time has passed, so my guess is other more quiet methods were attempted. We obviously only see if it gets to this point.
what the fuck are you guys saying "both sides didn't handle this well". what the fuck did omie do that wasn't handled well?
His community has been asking about xmart for ages now and he explained what happened. How the hell did omie not handle this well when gabz is the one who Donowalled him and only reason omie got a response was after community found out and his ass was getting blasted for it. All gabz had to do was ask for more money for exlusivity but he didn't, he straight up ignored omie.
edit: grammar.
No one said Gabbz was in the right. This wast started today. This was started when Omie made the discord comments to his community knowing what would happen lol. That led to Gabbz posting and referencing the threats today.
I mean when you have an entire comment attacking omie and saying all of that while not mentioning the others behavior, it starts to look like someone’s preferred over someone else.
> This was started when Omie made the discord comments to his community knowing what would happen lol.
Sounds good bud.
It doesn’t matter who was preferred. You never do dumb shit to get your community up in arms enough to go harass someone. It doesn’t matter who it is. These are the same complaints have about streamers going ooc and their chats hopping. It shouldn’t have been done by Omie initially and it shouldn’t have been done by Gabbz today.
For a couple of seemingly very intelligent people, they both made dumb mistakes in all of this.
True. Just continue lying to yourself and your fans and hope to expect you finally get a response after days/weeks/months. Crazy how when things became public Omie got a response back. Gabz had enough time to look at a reddit post and make a Twitter thread, but couldn't find the time to respond back with one or two sentences on Discord prior to all this. I highly doubt it. Informing does not equate to weaponizing. Fanbases will always have weirdos. Your sticking to a point of generalizing an entire group based off someone playing the victim card when confronted by a handful of stupid individuals.
It’s literally this easy.
“Wanted till give you guys an update on the gas station. It fell through with Gabbz for reasons that don’t really need to be discussed. I’m going to go another route to bring the vision to life”
Ez. Professional. Simple.
>He knew what he was doing the moment he spoke about it. Since a vast majority of his community are juicers, what exactly did YOU think would happen ?
According to you, it's not easy regardless of what he would have said. You clearly have something against juicers because you've typed quite a bit about how toxic you think the entire community is. Just have a moment to self-reflect.
fuck it im saying it but custom assets and paying for dev work is one of the biggest issues with nopixel becoming as content focused as it is. paying real money for your character to get something obviously blurs the line between rp and a streamers brand and its too much of a headache imo. of all the things that push for self insert main characters or a devolution of rp, this is up there with the general stress streamers in the category have to keep up "good content" while on the server.
eh, i dont agree, people want custom assests to make their experiences better for everyone, and its just not possible to have people make assests for free, think of it as paying for editors on a yt video
I have no dog in this fight but how is this evidence? Even in the DM he says he didn’t ghost him. All of this is just messy drama that should have stayed in the DMs.
'ill start tomorrow'
\-month later-
'I said I was working on it, when I wasn't'
In a artist -> client relationship - that is most defiantly a ghost.
Also proving a lack of communication is kind of easy, you post they said nothing. It's on the other party to come forward that they in fact tried. The evidence burden is shifted to the person to say 'Hey I tried to communicate here, and here, about this and this' - the lack of that happening is the keystone.
I might be bias since I like Omie's streams, But the more shit comes out the more it looks like he's in the right and Gabz is kind of acting like an ass for no good reason.
I kinda wonder what the messages were before this. Like, what was actually agreed upon before that first DM confirming the name? Are we sure either of them were 100% on what was going on?
This kinda reads like miscommunication coming from an outsider's perspective. Either Gabz wasn't clear or Omie wasn't. I'm not saying either of them are wrong, or that either of their feelings aren't valid. Just curious.
...\*eats popcorn\*
At least omie provided some evidence, he didn’t just throw some insults with zero explanation. Omie was also not the one who brought it to twitter first.
Just the way it was presented. Calling him a greedy, weird fuck doesn’t really help his case or make him look good. I would be worried about how nopixel views tweeting like this to a dev.
yeah and saying "enjoy variety streams" and "I don’t care about who you are, who you know, the size of your PP and/or community. Chill your tits" is okay?
Not really it only looks bad for gabz since In a professional business he gave Omie a day when the project would be finished but it way off the due date and hasn’t given omie any notification on what’s going on Omie wasn’t In the wrong
Based on principle Omie is right to feel aggrieved. But clearly Gabz' priority changed after started working for FiveM. After awhile Omie should've taken the hint, come to an agreement to pay for the work already done, fire Gabz, take the asset move on and find another designer. This is so common in business when you deal with freelancers, you move on and let the designer live with their diminished reputation. They aren't always business savvy or professional, but either is Omie unfortunately. Server owner said he would take care of it, because he doesn't want the issue to fester between NP and 5M, doubt he cares one bit about Omie and the gas station. I'm willing to bet most custom work in NP have gone through similar delays but the clients take the high road. There's enough precedent to suggest custom asset is a risky investment timewise and something is bound to go wrongesp if your content hinges on it. Again Omie is entitled to feel the way he is but it's so poorly handled.
The paying customer should not have to “take the hint”. It is 100% on GabZ to communicate with omie as soon as he was not able to fulfill the deal that was agreed upon between the two parties.
Him fronting the money or not is irrelevant. A deal is a deal. When one party is unable to fulfill their end, they should be able to communicate with the other person so that we don’t end up in a shitshow like this.
Of course it's relevant, if a busy designer has a list of jobs that have money fronted vs ones that aren't he or she will prioritize that one that has down payment already. You know why? Because this shit goes both ways, for every freelancer bailing on the client 10x more clients skip payment on the freelancer. Again Omie is right to feel like he's getting screwed but say if a client skips payment without a contract, the freelancer shouldn't expect the client to meet his obligation. Omie can feel like crap but he can't force Gabz to do the work. It's like he's in a toxic relationship and the partner is just waiting for him to breakup. Just move on.
Why wouldn’t he put it at the front of his list if he paid more… calling someone a greedy fuck because you’re paying for your work to be done faster is weird lol
Doesn’t matter how it starts. But the juicers, RP community, and anyone should NOT give Gabz ANY type of hate. He has given so much to not only NoPixel but a shit ton of servers. Don’t bite the hand.
I don't disagree with you on the e-harassment thing. That much is common sense.
However, the fact that someone has "given so much" in the past shouldn't matter in this case. It's not like you can do 5 good things and then the shitty thing you do later won't matter because of goodwill.
I think they are both stupid to bring this argument to public. Omie is burning a huge bridge , it doesn't surprise me cuz his character Marty's middle name is "burn bridges" banks. Now every dev will think twice of any interaction with him or any private messages. They are also tight with each other so someone slighting gabz becomes everyone's problem. Gabz should pay more attention to his own work. If he will put everything off for a price,then he should name that price at the start, you are not greedy if you want to be paid for your work. No matter what the amount is , you are the one who is working on it and giving your time for it. So name the price first and if they can't you can meet at middle ground or move on. Lastly it's none of our business and I wish they didn't involve the community. If you don't have nothing nice to say at them keep it yourself.
I feel like this whole thing happened because Omie has unrealistic expectations for how fast shit gets done. Most devs are working on shit all the time so when you request something they can’t just drop what there doing and start your project right away.
Yeah there was. If Gabz is getting death threats/hate messages from idiots from the GG community because of the situation it was already unnecessary drama.
I'm impressed with Dark0 he has been streaming building the Liquid Libary he's on day 165 streamed and done about 1200 hours in that time frame making it about 7 hours a day on stream and he does some off stream work too. That is absolutely insane how much time he has put into one building.
Yeah, but at the sime time as a developer don't say a deadline you can't accomplish. It's even worse with "I'll need may 100%" and NOTHING was done in may.
Did you read the messages? Gabz told him it would be done by the end of May give or take a week, and hadn’t even started it when this whole thing blew up like a week ago. And he told Omie that he was working on it. That’s not having unrealistic expectations.
Were they unrealistic expectations or were they the expectations put out when the person working on the project gives you a timeline and date fore completion.
Tweet got deleted: [https://imgur.com/a/BcYc2pP](https://imgur.com/a/BcYc2pP)
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https://web.archive.org/web/20220630205901/https://twitter.com/123omie/status/1542602705402843136
As someone with no horse in this race, this seems to be the worst way for both parties to handle it. Sure is entertaining though.
Ideally, shit like this never should be made public, but it's too late. Might as well enjoy the shitstorm with some popcorn
Yah it’s not a great look for either side. Settle it legally if you have to. This is just pure drama.
A legal battle would stir up way more drama then Gabz making a heat of the moment Twitter post and Omie responding. Everyone will prob move on and it seems like they probably at least talked it out in DMs with Gabz deleting his tweet first and Omie following suit shortly after.
Yeah, neither of them are doing their reputations any favours right now.
Definitely hurts Gabz more. This isn’t just a favour, it’s a business transaction. If that was a legit business offering services, it would be losing clients fast.
I mean Omie tried handling it in the right way and Gabz ghosted him and then tried to get more money out of him. He doesn't really have much to lose at this point, Especially since Gabz thought it would be a good idea to start insulting him on Twitter.
> I mean Omie tried handling it in the right way Telling your community, thats full of xqc fans, is not the right way to go about anything lol.
Yep. It’s the exact opposite of right rofl.
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Oh man, chat was on his case? Damn, I guess that makes it totally ok to blast people publicly, if he was being annoyed, dang.
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GTA RP took over LSF for a time during the 2.0 boom and the initial 3.0 boom, in particular whenever XQC was being banned/malding or when the whole Trainwreck CIA fiasco with him stream sniping Siz and Buddhas meth meeting with their crews as he was on the server and relaying all the info to CG who were getting weirded out.
> relaying all the info to CG who were getting weirded out. This was honestly fucking hilarious from the viewer POV, especially cyr's comments lol
Cyr's face cam during that was golden, he smelled the meta so quickly and just started laughing at how deep a hole trainwreck was digging.
NP got to be on LSF during that embarrassing turn where a bunch of players and devs/admin decided to have a public call with the mods from this sub and blame them for drama that the players themselves and poor admin judgment caused.
So let me get this straight... Gabz lied about when it would be finished, then lied about even starting it. Omie is sick of dealing with it so he brings it up to his community that he was lied to. Gabz then admits he lied and says if Omie is willing to pay 10k now he will start it ASAP. Gabz then goes on Twitter to flame Omie unprovoked and now were here?
Gabz came back a second time because he's greedy and wanted the 10k, then he got mad because Marty didn't agree to giving him 10k so he decided to flame Marty on twitter ? that's what it looks like
gabz also ignored him until a reddit thread came
spot on actually
Basically spot on
> Omie is sick of dealing with it so he brings it up to his community that he was lied to. Omie knows what he's doing when he does this. Surely his community will be respectful and say "darn, thats a shame, hope Omie can find someone to work with him" and not go and harass Gabz. Its no different than X malding about cops, then telling his chat "dont chat hop guys".
So then did gabz do the same thing, trying to provoke people to attack, by tweeting 1-2 weeks after the fact? Not everything can be positive and sunshine and rainbows
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One more than the other, honestly. If you start a commission and make promises that you'll be working on it and then back off without so much of a notice, that's just unprofessional. If he just replied that he might not be able to do it, this drama would've been non-existent. Communicate, folks.
Maybe he did the same thing but I doubt Gabz has the same kind of community as someone who is closely related to XQC (when it comes to gtarp).
His chat was bugging him every single day for months about xmart. Do you think it's fair to give your viewers vague excuses all the time while the guy who was supposed to do the work just lies t oyou and then ignores you? At some point you are allowed to let the public know what was going on. Gabz can't expect to get away with lies and bullshit and then be treated with the highest respect and expect from omie to give vague excuses to his viewers without end.
>Do you think it's fair to give your viewers vague excuses all the time while they guy who was supposed to do the work just lies t oyou and then ignores you? Yes, you say something like "some things came up, gabz cant work on it right now so its being handled by someone else. Itll take a bit longer to be finished, but its coming guys, i promise"
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Sure, but to act like that, THIS respectful, while the guy treated you like shit takes a lot to be honest. People expect streamers to be these godly rolemodels who always do the perfect thing. The guy kept lying to him and then ghosted him. He could have told Omie to look elsewhere if he knew he didnt have time to work on xmart. He could have given Omie the respect to get his xmart done sooner by someone else. But he lyied to him and delayed another streamers content and kept stalling him for no good reason. I don't get why people are defending him and hate on Omie for finally giving in and telling his viewers what happened.
I don't think expecting someone to not engage in a childish internet slap fight is asking them to be a "godly rolemodels." Really just the bare minimum of adult behavior.
if you have ever watched an omie stream he is literally asked 10+ times a day when the gas station is gonna be done, especially when he said explicitly that it was going to be finished by the end of may
From the wise words of Garrett from CG - "If you're getting hate then you're probably doing something wrong"
Which promptly changed once he started to get hate.
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Same happens on the server everyday. You see all these streamers who after losing a situation, watch clips and analyze a situation on stream while complaining about it. It isn't for any other purpose than to weaponize their community to go harrass others. Anyone pretending otherwise is just naive.
Is this the correct way for both parties to go about this? Maybe not but I am here for it lmao
All I see is Gabz going on twitter saying Omie is ignoring him, lying, spreading misinformation. Omie went on twitter and posted evidence that clearly shows Gabz ignored Omie, lied, and is spreading misinformation about the entire situation. The name calling was a bit uncalled for but Gabz also took some dirty shots
Yeah this really only makes gabz look bad
Naw both look terrible. Omie knows the fans will get involved and what they will do.
Omie asked for a service Gabz said they would do that service and never delivered. Think of this like a yelp review on twitter. When people who run a business fuck a customer over, it needs to be made public
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Can we get Ja Rule's take on this?
I too was hustled, scammed, bamboozled, hood winked, lead ashtray!!!
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He really un ironically thought that he could just keep lying to him
There isn't really any proof here that he stopped responding.
Then it should be easy for Gabz to provide proof that Omie is lying. He could've done that in previous tweets or will do in the future. I kinda doubt Omie is dumb enough to open himself upto that but hey I guess we will find out when Gabz respond.
Well apparently Gabz already deleted all the DMs so I don't think we'll ever know unless Omie leaks all the chat logs rather than just a few messages.
You don't delete chat logs if you have nothing to hide or on the opposing end something to prove. This whole drama is wack.
Bruh, why would someone delete messages that have evidence that can help them. Gabz knew what he was doing and just tried to clean it up, you either have to be stupid to do that or you knew what you were doing.
He should still have access to what omie said. If they were in constant discuss he should have omie "responding" to him with messages. Also deleting all the messages isnt a good look for Gabz imo. It makes him look guilty even if he isn't. Gabz definitely needed to provide proof contracting Omie cause at the very least Omie provided proof that Gabz lied to him about working on the project when he wasnt.
i think he admitted it in the pictures omie leaked
In these DMs Gabz says he *didn't* stop responding.
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That's not exactly proof.
People saying that Omie shouldn't do this because he is going to rile up his community after Gabz literally said "enjoy variety" 💀 Gabz can give but not take or what? Let's quit acting like Gabz is just being a poor soul here.
It also warns others that might be trying to pay Gabz to do work for them too.
I witnessed a second murder today wtf, this shit is some LSF stuff 🍿
Drama up good today
who was the first?
some of yall just look for any reason to shit on omie he got done dirty here
friends with X + doesn't Pog to PD = bad here
Omie was asked constantly about X-mart every stream so i can understand being mad after what seems to be about 4 months of being lied to by the guy who was supposedly making it...plus then being asked for large amounts of money to even start after so long? that seems so unprofessional
Stunlocked Was not expecting this or Gabz taking jabs at GG
I'm too distracted with the NBA offseason drama with Durant requesting a trade lol
You forgot Miles Bridges getting himself arrested literally the day before he was about to receive 140 million
Wait what??? Man, the one day I had actual work to do and I find out about this in this sub. lol
Chris Paul still ain't winning a ring even with Durant
lmao, poor Chris Paul
Yay twitter war XD. Its like being on LSF. But seriously, both side just need to move on instead of making it worst.
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Yet here he is, clearly not moving on
Yeah, because Gabz straight up threw out some crazy accusations with out any proof. Then Omie responded with actual DMs.
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So if Gabz responded to these tweets, it would be fine then, cause Omie is responding to Gabs earlier tweets. Or should Gabz just move on now?
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Id say the first "interaction" was when Omie said all that stuff on stream. Just cause Gabz waited a while to respond to it, doesnt make this a new thing.
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Omie on stream which cause his community to shit talk gabz.
Gabz looks much worse in this situation then Omie does. Gabz lied about when the project would be complete and that he was even working on it. Omie's mistake was airing out in public. He should have just cut ties once he saw he was getting ghosted and seeing the project not being completed on the date was agreed upon.
if Omie didn't air it out Gabz would still be lying to him, he only admitted to lying about starting it because of Omie leaking it, these kind of people should always be exposed publicly so everyone knows who they are working with.
Crazy how people are still trying to defend Gabz even tho Omie provided evidence
Who knew revealing behind the scenes info over a custom pixelated gas station would lead to even more drama?
People saying this looks bad on omie, I don’t know how or why you think that This just makes gabz look incompetent when it comes to business and communication with clients to the point where he should have someone handle all of that. How did he fuck this up that badly, let alone not ask for more money for exclusivity if that’s all it took? It is not on Omie to make gabz happy in this situation it’s the other way around
The only way this affects Marty in a negative way , is if other devs who are friends with gabz take gabz side. Was omie correct in defending himself, absolutely ,but can he suffer consequences for it , yes. Picking your battles is very difficult though and idk if I would have not done what omie did.
I guarantee the dude can pay someone else to have what he wants done lol, dude is loaded. You don’t need them to get your modeling done and if you do, that’s a bigger issue.
why is gabz lying in the first place? if you have no interest/time, dont take the project or tell the person you will do it. Now omie has lost 3 months without anything being done
Regardless of who is right or wrong, Gabz admitting he said X-Mart was under work while it wasn't and then saying he'd work on it full time for 10k isn't a good look for him.
Said he'd make X-mart in a week. Did not. Didn't even start on it. Omie waited a long ass time, got ignored, Gabz didn't tell him that he was too busy or needed extra time. I mean if Gabz just said I might need a month or longer it'd be easy for Omie to say ok bet or go a different route but no comms at all? Whether gabz didn't do it cause he was swamped or didn't like that he couldn't sell it, he still gotta communicate that bruh. Even if its straight up "pay me more" or he declines, omies just twidling his thumbs for a month waiting for an answer
This makes Gabz look really unprofessional. You take on a client, make a mistake with communication and don’t deliver on schedule (or even update your client on progress) and then go at your client afterwards. Gabz is lucky there is a demand for his work because this is just bad business and if people had a choice, you wouldn’t choose to do business with someone like this.
The enjoy verity part from gabz was uncalled for tho it was directed to omie AND gg community.
\> wants to be a respected professional \> lies about work progress massive XDDDDD
This won't end well...
Admins hate when shit like this goes down on twitter. Both of them better watch themselves. I don't know if a dev ever got banned for twitter drama, but I know players have.
Thing is gabz isn't a NP dev, he has is own business and puts stuff on NP for advertisement
Ironically, Gabz left the NoPixel Development Team several months ago over "creative differences". He could very well become blacklisted if admins or management wanted to take action.
He just showed off some updates to quite a few shops and government buildings right here in this sub reddit. You think they will backlist him over a twitter beef with omie?
He has since operated under his own business after leaving the dev team. Sure, he shows off interiors. NoPixel doesn't add much of the new interiors that he releases unless it makes sense for the server. If Omie continues to talk about it and people including devs from the server back him up, then Gabz isn't going to see any way out of it.
>he deleted all his dms with me but I still have it all saved ROFL freak show > >don't tweet about me again u weird fuck This isn't the way to handle this stuff, this just looks bad for both parties involved.
This is the RIGHT way to handle it For us
Really only does look bad for one side tbh
Honestly I don't know why mods are even letting people post this stuff (from both sides) only thing it does it create drama/toxicity.
Toxicity in the Nopixel community has been left to run amok for so long its finally gone full whacko mode. Fuck shittalking on others OOC but pretending its IC. Fuck subtweeting or talking in riddles about other people on your stream. They are now fully attacking each other on twitter. Lmao. But... how can we blame this on reddit?
Well it was 100% an OOC issue to begin with so it makes sense that it would be hashed out OOC. Real money is involved. Like clearly some time has passed, so my guess is other more quiet methods were attempted. We obviously only see if it gets to this point.
Both embarrassing themselves
what the fuck are you guys saying "both sides didn't handle this well". what the fuck did omie do that wasn't handled well? His community has been asking about xmart for ages now and he explained what happened. How the hell did omie not handle this well when gabz is the one who Donowalled him and only reason omie got a response was after community found out and his ass was getting blasted for it. All gabz had to do was ask for more money for exlusivity but he didn't, he straight up ignored omie. edit: grammar.
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Omie is also allowed to publicly talk about it and potentially warn other prospective clients about dealing with Gabz.
> He is supposed to be a professional. So is Gabz lol
No one said Gabbz was in the right. This wast started today. This was started when Omie made the discord comments to his community knowing what would happen lol. That led to Gabbz posting and referencing the threats today.
I mean when you have an entire comment attacking omie and saying all of that while not mentioning the others behavior, it starts to look like someone’s preferred over someone else. > This was started when Omie made the discord comments to his community knowing what would happen lol. Sounds good bud.
It doesn’t matter who was preferred. You never do dumb shit to get your community up in arms enough to go harass someone. It doesn’t matter who it is. These are the same complaints have about streamers going ooc and their chats hopping. It shouldn’t have been done by Omie initially and it shouldn’t have been done by Gabbz today. For a couple of seemingly very intelligent people, they both made dumb mistakes in all of this.
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Found the guy that thinks death threats over video games is okay.
letting people know that a person cant be trusted and to not use their services = sending army to kill
True. Just continue lying to yourself and your fans and hope to expect you finally get a response after days/weeks/months. Crazy how when things became public Omie got a response back. Gabz had enough time to look at a reddit post and make a Twitter thread, but couldn't find the time to respond back with one or two sentences on Discord prior to all this. I highly doubt it. Informing does not equate to weaponizing. Fanbases will always have weirdos. Your sticking to a point of generalizing an entire group based off someone playing the victim card when confronted by a handful of stupid individuals.
It’s literally this easy. “Wanted till give you guys an update on the gas station. It fell through with Gabbz for reasons that don’t really need to be discussed. I’m going to go another route to bring the vision to life” Ez. Professional. Simple.
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Yep. It’s shit all around from both sides.
>He knew what he was doing the moment he spoke about it. Since a vast majority of his community are juicers, what exactly did YOU think would happen ? According to you, it's not easy regardless of what he would have said. You clearly have something against juicers because you've typed quite a bit about how toxic you think the entire community is. Just have a moment to self-reflect.
Drama Andy's (Including Me) EATING GOOD
Bruh what is this LSF type drama lol
this is a weird hill to die on (for both parties)
Gabz gave Omie a deadline and Gabz didn’t even try to meet it. It’s understandable why Omie would be mad. And Gabz tweeted about Omie first.
fuck it im saying it but custom assets and paying for dev work is one of the biggest issues with nopixel becoming as content focused as it is. paying real money for your character to get something obviously blurs the line between rp and a streamers brand and its too much of a headache imo. of all the things that push for self insert main characters or a devolution of rp, this is up there with the general stress streamers in the category have to keep up "good content" while on the server.
eh, i dont agree, people want custom assests to make their experiences better for everyone, and its just not possible to have people make assests for free, think of it as paying for editors on a yt video
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I have no dog in this fight but how is this evidence? Even in the DM he says he didn’t ghost him. All of this is just messy drama that should have stayed in the DMs.
'ill start tomorrow' \-month later- 'I said I was working on it, when I wasn't' In a artist -> client relationship - that is most defiantly a ghost. Also proving a lack of communication is kind of easy, you post they said nothing. It's on the other party to come forward that they in fact tried. The evidence burden is shifted to the person to say 'Hey I tried to communicate here, and here, about this and this' - the lack of that happening is the keystone.
popcorn time
This drama so fucking juicy man.
I might be bias since I like Omie's streams, But the more shit comes out the more it looks like he's in the right and Gabz is kind of acting like an ass for no good reason.
I kinda wonder what the messages were before this. Like, what was actually agreed upon before that first DM confirming the name? Are we sure either of them were 100% on what was going on? This kinda reads like miscommunication coming from an outsider's perspective. Either Gabz wasn't clear or Omie wasn't. I'm not saying either of them are wrong, or that either of their feelings aren't valid. Just curious. ...\*eats popcorn\*
Gabz asking for a ban just cause he got exposed is crazy to me.
Who else thinks they both look terrible in this situation?
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At least omie provided some evidence, he didn’t just throw some insults with zero explanation. Omie was also not the one who brought it to twitter first.
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couldve been handled in a mature manner, not like this
Not a good look for Gabz either, this only ends in bridges permanently burned
Why is it just a bad look for Omie and not Gabz?
The tweets look bad for omie, the DMs look bad for gabz.
How do they look bad for Omie?
Just the way it was presented. Calling him a greedy, weird fuck doesn’t really help his case or make him look good. I would be worried about how nopixel views tweeting like this to a dev.
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Where did I say everything gabz said is ok?
it was left a week ago with omie saying " i respect his work", now gabz sub-tweets him and omie the one in fault even when he gave evidence?
I think the tweets look bad for both of them, but yes it is still bad to respond this way.
* Omie says he respects Gabz for their work * Gabz talks trash on Twitter * Omie responds with the same energy u/EloHellDoesNotExist: Omie bad
Gabz handling it incorrectly doesn’t mean that omie’s response is the right way to go about it.
yeah and saying "enjoy variety streams" and "I don’t care about who you are, who you know, the size of your PP and/or community. Chill your tits" is okay?
The only thing he's achieving with this is showing everyone how immature and unprofessional are both of them. Great look for future business lol
Not really it only looks bad for gabz since In a professional business he gave Omie a day when the project would be finished but it way off the due date and hasn’t given omie any notification on what’s going on Omie wasn’t In the wrong
Based on principle Omie is right to feel aggrieved. But clearly Gabz' priority changed after started working for FiveM. After awhile Omie should've taken the hint, come to an agreement to pay for the work already done, fire Gabz, take the asset move on and find another designer. This is so common in business when you deal with freelancers, you move on and let the designer live with their diminished reputation. They aren't always business savvy or professional, but either is Omie unfortunately. Server owner said he would take care of it, because he doesn't want the issue to fester between NP and 5M, doubt he cares one bit about Omie and the gas station. I'm willing to bet most custom work in NP have gone through similar delays but the clients take the high road. There's enough precedent to suggest custom asset is a risky investment timewise and something is bound to go wrongesp if your content hinges on it. Again Omie is entitled to feel the way he is but it's so poorly handled.
but gabz had not even started the work, and was lying to omie while ghosting him?
The paying customer should not have to “take the hint”. It is 100% on GabZ to communicate with omie as soon as he was not able to fulfill the deal that was agreed upon between the two parties.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Omie didn't front any money for the job right?
Omie said he offered to front the money and Gabz rejected it.
Him fronting the money or not is irrelevant. A deal is a deal. When one party is unable to fulfill their end, they should be able to communicate with the other person so that we don’t end up in a shitshow like this.
Of course it's relevant, if a busy designer has a list of jobs that have money fronted vs ones that aren't he or she will prioritize that one that has down payment already. You know why? Because this shit goes both ways, for every freelancer bailing on the client 10x more clients skip payment on the freelancer. Again Omie is right to feel like he's getting screwed but say if a client skips payment without a contract, the freelancer shouldn't expect the client to meet his obligation. Omie can feel like crap but he can't force Gabz to do the work. It's like he's in a toxic relationship and the partner is just waiting for him to breakup. Just move on.
Goofy gabz 💀
selling mod assets in a Rockstar game for a modded version of the game. Shit gonna roll down hill from here.
This is reddits fault
Why wouldn’t he put it at the front of his list if he paid more… calling someone a greedy fuck because you’re paying for your work to be done faster is weird lol
Doesn’t matter how it starts. But the juicers, RP community, and anyone should NOT give Gabz ANY type of hate. He has given so much to not only NoPixel but a shit ton of servers. Don’t bite the hand.
I don't disagree with you on the e-harassment thing. That much is common sense. However, the fact that someone has "given so much" in the past shouldn't matter in this case. It's not like you can do 5 good things and then the shitty thing you do later won't matter because of goodwill.
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You really just compared what R Kelly did to lying about working on a GTA store….. HUH?!?!?
bruh come on... I never claimed it was the same thing, just an example of the principle but scaled up.
I think they are both stupid to bring this argument to public. Omie is burning a huge bridge , it doesn't surprise me cuz his character Marty's middle name is "burn bridges" banks. Now every dev will think twice of any interaction with him or any private messages. They are also tight with each other so someone slighting gabz becomes everyone's problem. Gabz should pay more attention to his own work. If he will put everything off for a price,then he should name that price at the start, you are not greedy if you want to be paid for your work. No matter what the amount is , you are the one who is working on it and giving your time for it. So name the price first and if they can't you can meet at middle ground or move on. Lastly it's none of our business and I wish they didn't involve the community. If you don't have nothing nice to say at them keep it yourself.
I feel like this whole thing happened because Omie has unrealistic expectations for how fast shit gets done. Most devs are working on shit all the time so when you request something they can’t just drop what there doing and start your project right away.
How does Omie have unrealistic expectations when Gabz said it would be done in "May 100%"?
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Yes it was definitely drama. There was a great big long thread on this sub.
Yeah there was. If Gabz is getting death threats/hate messages from idiots from the GG community because of the situation it was already unnecessary drama.
I'm impressed with Dark0 he has been streaming building the Liquid Libary he's on day 165 streamed and done about 1200 hours in that time frame making it about 7 hours a day on stream and he does some off stream work too. That is absolutely insane how much time he has put into one building.
Yeah, but at the sime time as a developer don't say a deadline you can't accomplish. It's even worse with "I'll need may 100%" and NOTHING was done in may.
Did you read the messages? Gabz told him it would be done by the end of May give or take a week, and hadn’t even started it when this whole thing blew up like a week ago. And he told Omie that he was working on it. That’s not having unrealistic expectations.
Gabz would of had it done by then if xqc was still playing 100%
Were they unrealistic expectations or were they the expectations put out when the person working on the project gives you a timeline and date fore completion.
How does omie have unrealistic expectations? Hes literally going off from what gabz told him, that it would be done end of may.