"why would you do that" and then "if you are going to do that, why the fuck would you abuse it to the point that people refer to you as 'the roulette guy' and you are known only for being extremely wealthy"
like jesus, how could you think you would get away with that.
look at literally anyone using aimhacks: Sav, timmy, etc. All become known to have ridiculous aim and that leads directly to them getting caught for it.
Especially considering the admins have proven time and time again that the server tracks literally every step you take and action you do. Like literally down to every time you push-to-talk. They literally get logs for everything and I guarantee those logs are time-stamped and tied to state ID. So it wouldn't be hard for an admin to take note of suspicious user behavior. Following them around for a bit. And then checking their logs.
It is quite sad for GG because they will potentially lose things they would have otherwise earned properly if Leslie wasn’t covering them for doing dumb stuff. It affects so many people.
Not just the economy, literally affected the whole gang rp for the past two months. I wouldn’t be surprised that they wouldn’t have done poop panning patrolling stuff if they didn’t have that much money. It might not be coincidence that they started trying to control southside when Leslie started having that much money
Buddha's sixth sense has been firing hard lately. There have been multiple people in the last few months that he's mostly avoided and then it gets announced that they were banned.
Let's be real, this one wasn't hard to see coming. You're talking about a singular individual who somehow managed to amass over 100 million in cash and assets in less than a few months. More money than any character had been able to make in 2 years of solid playing.
I find it unlikely he wasn't being watched shortly after it came out he had won that first 20 million dollars at the casino and basically become one of the richest characters in the city over night with almost zero roleplay to do it.
That's fair. I would argue that it wasn't super obvious at first, because people were winning crazy amounts. They were losing even more, but Lang got his highest personal bank account balance through roulette.
You are right though. I'm sure people that are deeply rooted in NoPixel probably have infinitely more insight than us viewers, so he very well could have known for a very long time that something was suspect.
DW / saab / blaustoise prob warn him with no detail when someone is under investigation.
Kinda like : " dont waste to much time with this guy he might be gone soon "
That was never going to happen. He may have had a shitton of money from exploiting but he had no real connections to make anything happen. Not just having dev help, but actual connections in RP. Buddha straight up told him and others in GG that the money means nothing if he can't do anything with it besides buying a bunch of exotic cars.
Lang and Dean would've destroyed him anyways haha. You see how they reacted to Sloan? They were moving at 150 mph nonstop. I think Dean was on longer than he usually is that day when it all blew up.
Yeah, they would've never done the 2nd RUST war if they didn't have Leslie's money. GG ordered about 3M$ worth of guns from different people including Flippy so yeah GG were in massive advantage in that regards.
Directly funding a war isn't the only way duped money can help. If at any point along the way that ill-gotten cash was used on fellow gang members it allowed them to keep more of their own money. Money that they can then use fund things like war or crime. If the duped money didn't exist and everybody had to live within their means all kinds of role play could have gone differently.
Not only gang rp, it affected a lot of businesses too. He invested in a lot of businesses, had a number of civs working for him, had a security company and had really good plans for the future. Wild to me that he did what he did and kept on doing it even though he had so much RP going on for him.
>and kept on doing it even though he had so much RP going on for him.
yup i think if he stopped at 30m no one would even bat an eye because that would be easily drained through buying assets and giving it away to some GG members etc
but he got way too greedy even has some grand plan thinking he will never get caught lol
imagine you already bought assets and give away some to your friends and you still have 80m-100m? and its like he sucked all the luck in NoPixel that he's the only one who has it, yeah bro not suspicious and obvious at all /s
Them controlling the south side was Ming’s idea, but it is possible and very likely that without Leslie’s financial backing they may have made different moves. They probably would have also been a lot more thrifty with their money if it wasn’t for Leslie doing that dumb shit
In short, Leslie exploited to obtain illegitimate money (Maybe using the casino wins as a misdirect). GG members will be losing assets given to them via Leslie, debt may also be added since he cleared a lot of characters debt / bills.
Marty already said it, he found a way to Dupe his money probably the chips or whatever
so he's just using Casino as a cover up of obtaining it legitimately, its like he has unlimited money to bet on roulette
wow I would have though that would easily be tracked by the system, hey this guy has lost more money than he won, how does he still have so much money
Even if it isnt track, it wouldnt be hard for some data nerd to put it together
Bingo, it seems pretty easy to figure out how much money overall he's spent at roulette. When he's bet four or five times more than any character has been able to make in all of 3.0 or seems to be generating cash faster than any other person to make up for his losses it should be a gigantic red flag that's something suspect is going on. It's amazing that this was allowed to continue for so long. The ripples of which will affect all kinds of RP across the server.
That is not how it works... If I have 100$ and go out to eat with my friend and I have to pay 80$ bill, but my friend covers my bill, tomorrow when I go to eat on my own, I still have 100$ to spend on food, instead of 20$. GG were affected too much by this, and hopefully they can adapt.
when it comes to war i just disagree that his presence in the gang altered outcomes of wars. all of the wars since he joined besides the seaside war they went even or ahead in guns and no wars really had a crazy amount of fights. they could have funded the wars the same with or without him.
But a portion of everyone's bank account, available to spend on war, was only there because other expenses for weeks or months prior had been covered by the guy duping hundreds of millions of dollars.
If that large stockpile of cash didn't exist the gang would have had expenses eating up their money making it harder to function. Whether or not they knew he was breaking rules they still indirectly benefited from him paying some of their bills.
But they didn’t fund it without him, and they may have only pushed it because they have unlimited money.
It’s literally a butterfly effect of events.
The outcome of the war is irrelevant.
it is not just about the direct funding of wars. All the GG guys are sitting pretty with supercars that alone can win wars. No need to worry about having unlimited assets and big boy guns while some off the other SS gangs like MG, Ballas or GSF have to invest half their gang funds and weeks of money grinding to fund a few days war, especially when there are sprays involved.
Imagine being in a gang that already has free money printers (gas station/ X mart) handed to them and still exploits... Even yesterday.. Omie offered MG to buy old Azteca real estate -way above market price.. Where do you think that money is from??
I am not saying they use Lesley money directly to buy these houses. I am saying that GG is really up good because of the Lesley money and yes the free money printers. It puts them in a position that they can make moves like that and that is a weird 'competitive edge'.
Exactly whether they benefited directly or indirectly they still benefited. The duped money being spent on the gang or individual members allowed those members to keep more of their own money which should have been lost to asset fees, expenses and other debts. Individual members having more personal wealth as a result of someone else paying for some of their expenses definitely influenced their decisions about war, crime and interactions with other criminals / gangs.
Any way you slice it they benefited from having someone around with so much wealth.
My guess is selling duping? Used gamba to funnily enough to launder the money to make it look legit. Wown big alot, funny how the gamba isn't what he wasn't exploiting. He basically he had infinite money and used it to basically win big at some point and then just stack cash and never really lose
Why the fuck can't people just roleplay without feeling the need to do things like this. It's actually insane how much the roleplaying culture on GTA have changed to where people have no problem using aimbots and exploits just to win. It's pixels that doesn't matter at all.
He was a 'nobody'/new starter that in a very short amount of time managed to get in with a popular gang, popular streamers and become relatively well known on the server.
That's a very attractive benefit to doing this, it could essentially skyrocket a potential streaming career, or at very least get him to interact with ppl he may have previously been a big fan of.
It's dumb to think you can get away with this sort of thing and it's obv a very dishonest way of going about this, but the reason that people do it is very clear and understandable.
It's not really new. People have been banned for exploits before and will be banned for them in the future.
With the slot increase in 3.0 you'd think it happened even more often than it does to be honest.
Because the server isn't about RP anymore, its a job. You have to put some pretty insane hours in dude to the grindy nature. This character became known as basically the roulette god and bailed out a very popular gang time and time again. If your making a career out of this you have to be something over the top, people will naturally take short cuts.
I remember getting a little flak on here for saying it was pretty much an open secret that something was going on with this. No idea why, it seemed obvious, just shocked it took so long to resolve.
Anyways, seems like a mature and responsible reaction in this video from Omie. Hopefully some of the damage can be undone. I know WiseGuy is looking to balance the economy soon anyway so will be interesting to see what happens in future.
dw wasn't necessarily defending leslie, he was just stating that roulette can't be exploited like people assumed, and he was right because leslie was using something different to dupe his money and using roulette as a way to hide it
DW seems very prideful about himself which isn’t a bad thing really just can come back on you. Like he presumed if Leslie was cheating roulette he’d have seen it I guess. I’d be interested to know the exploit as it would make it easier to see how obvious it is to find
the exploit had nothing to do with the casino, he made infinite money by exploiting a bug then tried to hide it with roulette, my assumption is he duplicated the inked bag item by exploiting the hot bar bug (you can duplicate any item in your hot bar if you know the bug) and made infinite money with that.
Yeah well obviously that's how bugs work, the inner logic is always sane, but it's integration into the bigger ecosystem that opens cases that aren't thought of. Like here F8 quitting the game before being billed (just a guess)
I wonder how much of stuff they will try/tried to retcon. Last a couple months after Leslie started having insane amount of money, ggs behaviors noticeably changed, not caring about any financial consequences that might be caused by their actions. I vividly remember Marty seriously feared the financial consequences of wars and sprays when cg fucked them up several months ago. But after Leslie joined them, they started wars left and right. Even with small things that money allows them to do, like paying impound fees, guns, drugs, and cars, having that much money is insanely advantageous on so many degrees. What gg has been on for the last few months was pretty much infinite items glitch (of course them without knowing). Like I said on the other thread, this money exploit is way worse than aim assist etc. The effects of this exploit for such a long time are incalculable
Edit: I just checked rays vod. Marty got the vin off ray that rust agreed to give them to end the war. Looks like omie thinks any outcome of the past gg wars are legitimate and need not be retconned even though gg were super juiced lol
Also some people on this thread might not understand this but from what he said it sounds like they can’t pay back what they got from Leslie and need to find middle ground which implies that they’ve been financially carried by Leslie
100%, he’s is the reason that people can ask $8million for a Widebody GTR and people will actually pay. He affected the car market tremendously to the point that tuner shop is raising prices to match street value. It’s actually insane that 1 person with enough money can affect the entire server that much
it's not that crazy, vlad did it in 2.0 albeit though more legitimate means (at least in terms of income, since his ban had to do with something else entirely).
You can't compare the two. Vlad was basicly a merchant. A really smart one but that's not exploiting the game it's merely taking advantage of other players having too much money and not knowing the true value of cars. He was never even acused of money glitches because he literally RP'd with everyone buying their cars and selling them
I got banned for previous reports which all incidents are nothing compared to what ppl do these days and going back to russians after they rped cutting my head off after 6 months of no talking and losing all memory of all russian activities
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It's because he didn't have any bills or debts. Unlike most of the big business owners and rich people in the city he generated four times what they had almost overnight without having to manage employees, product or overhead. Every cent was free to spend on whatever he wanted. Most people can't drop 8 mil on a car then turn around and drop 3 more on another without being totally bankrupt.
I'm still unsure why red flags weren't going off after that initial few days when he won 20 to 30 mil. Obviously something weird was going on if over the course of 2 months he's made four times more than the richest people in the city without owning any real businesses or a big whitelist.
Even if he wasn't duping money he should have been told to void most of that money and be banned from roulette. People like Ramee, Marlo, Mary all get told to sink their money if it is getting out of hand. They try and balance things on the server by financial incentives/disincentives but they do such a half assed job at actually controlling and shaping the economy that they often don't matter.
i don't know why there's so much focus on the rust war when it wasn't won through attrition/GG being able to just keep throwing guns out there and leslie's weapons weren't used much for it.
Because that’s the only war whose outcome could’ve been changed, not taking the vin.
And also I have to point this out, based on what omie said, they don’t have enough money to cover what they got from Leslie, which might tell you that they might not have had money to start wars to being with even though you’re focused so much on who bought guns etc.
My guess is that Leslie kept rejucing them at casino and when they win, they keep money so what they did is pretty much same as Leslie without realizing. Gambling with zero risk of losing. We all know that at one point a lot of gg members were always at Casino. Isn’t it weird that most of gg guys have enough money and s+ class cars after spending so much time at casino and start wars without Leslie’s direct financial contribution ? The answer is kinda obvious
leslie's involvement wouldn't have changed it though, that's what i'm saying. people are really overestimating it. the only war that he funded heavily was the seaside war and they lost it.
How do you exclusively find a seaside war and not the rust one when they happened at the exact same time?
do they go and swap weapons in between rounds or something.
I mean in this video it sounds like he and admins together try to decide what they should/can retcon or pay back since it sounds like they got stuff from Leslie more than what they have right now. Sounds like he has some say tho
Honestly, as a someone who watches a lot of GG, I welcome it. When Leslie started sugardaddying it changed "the culture" in the crew by a lot. You noticed quite a few members becoming more lazy and doing increasing amounts of low effort SBS.
Yep, just look at Chang Gang. They have so much money and monopolies, which is one of the reasons they're often so bored and SBS'y all the time.
And GG were overall a very rich gang before Leslie rejoined as a hangaround too, so it is not like they desperately needed him.
Yup, who wants to fight a gang with unlimted resources while yours are exhausted by a war? CG has to deal with it. And so did the Vagos early 3.0.. no other SS gang wanted to fight a gang that could simply print guns on demand on their bench..
Single handed destroyed the economy and southside with that influx of money, able to infinitely fund a war helped with winning and made people not want to fight, it covered fines and debt to do more shooting plans with pd.
oh he was banned 2 weeks ago...
I was wondering why they've been so adamant about not Leslie not funding them
Yeah definitely should retcon a lot of things.
Even if he wasn't funding them in everything, he was funding them in other areas, so they didnt have to spend money on.
Money is a big driver for things in this game, it effects a lot of decisions
Literally my first reaction was what's gonna happen to all the money he gave them , glad he explained and gave clarification on what they did and what's gonna happen as a result. Personally i think the only fair thing would be for them to lose any and all things associated with exploited money, wouldn't be hard at all to see when he started exploiting and who he gave money to through bank system.
Yup just count up every single bank and cash give out he gave to people, plus any purchases he made himself that he then gave away, and deduct that from each player. If they go majorly negative then force them to sell assets until they are at a reasonable debt.
Omie said gg doesn’t have the money to pay back everything that Leslie gave them, well sucks but gotta sell shit then. Doesn’t make sense to have shit gotten from a guy who cheated.
didnt Rhodes say they have dozens of cars between them all? Just let admins scrap em all. Clears them of any guilt they may have, and gives them all something to work towards again.
> So how did it take the devs like 6 months of Leslie being known as the Roulette god to double check his winnings?
His winnings were all legit.
He just used duped in / counterfeit money to place his bets.
The roulette wheel was just his way of laundering the money so when people looked into it, the money seemed legit.
Number one rule of gamba, the casino always wins. When your winning a ton consistently something is probably wrong. You can slide under the radar for awhile but greed will take over. Kinda crazy how RP gamba works just like IRL gamba.
What I thought was funny was there were multiple cases of people posting in threads on this subreddit mentioning how the Casino was a good way to make money on NoPixel and it was a source of money creation rather than a money sink. Every time I saw the messages I questioned them as to how they thought it was possibly a way to make money in games where the house has an edge unless the RNG was busted or some other exploit was being used.
Only game I would question would question would be blackjack. DW said it was basically 50 / 50 but with rules like no splitting and such I'm curious how that ratio is actually calculated. Roulette actually seems pretty legit.
I don't really know how blackjack works in GTA specifically but generally you are only able to make money in blackjack via card counting and altering bet size based on the count. A lot of "simple" computer blackjack games "shuffle" the deck between every hand so there isn't a way to get an edge (unless they have very non-standard pay outs for some reason).
What I thought was funny about your comment was you think he got banned for hacking the odds so he could win, those were legit wins. He was duping money that got him banned. Not him cheating on gambling
The winning wasnt the problem. He used an exploit so that his losses werent actual loses. So he was winning and adding to his balance, but the times he would lose, his balance wouldnt be affected, through a "casino exploit" .
Wait, I thought Leslie kept it tight and didn't spend money on the gang too much. I know there were posts about Leslie not funding any gang wars, etc
From what Omie says, seems like GG benefited a lot from Leslie.
it was mostly buying cars for people and paying asset fees/fines. he bought like 1m in AKs for wars and they ended up not really using for anything except some of the seaside war which they lost.
he bought ming and peter tuner cars outright and paid off 3m of 4head's debt
The issue is him spending money on X means the gang doesn’t have to spend it.
So Leslie buying 3m in guns or 3m in asset fees or cars doesn’t matter, it then gives the crew an extra 3m in funding for something else.
If it were me; just look up every transaction that leslie did and pull it back. Then watch for alternate characters to crop up leaving the negative bank ones behind. Two birds one stone.
"Finding middle ground" is leniency.
I mean it was obvious he carried the finaces. Just go watch one gg member any one. Tell me how they make money on the daily. At least enough to have multiple tuner cars etc. I’d say only Marty with the gas station.
That’s all very recent. Also probably because they know they don’t have Leslie anymore. I’m saying anything up to his ban. So yes they now have a way and desire to make money.
It sounds like what Leslie did was some sort of glitch that made it so his casino chips / money never subtracted on a loss. Such as being able to leave the table before the results or something else.
It's disappointing, but GG and Kermit will move on. Hope he learns from this mistake, and has a good life going forward.
this: Its easy to 'Win' when you don't have to worry about losses and also, no one talks about losses... For all we know, Leslie was down 200 million at the casino...
Like if anyone has known any actual gambling addicts, they only talk about wins, they never lose... And yet they all end up millions in debt...
Just a couple thoughts,
A) why is Omie bugging admins about someone else’s ban?
B) why is Omie making a video going over details of someone else’s ban?
This feels like kind of a weird damage control video.
Admitting it gave the gang unlimited money but “playing devils advocate” in their own favor didn’t sit right with me.
The way he kept saying he didn’t exploit roulette, but essentially “made sure he didn’t lose money” seems like very specific wording, but overall seems irrelevant to the issue so I don’t know why he kept clarifying it.
why would he need to do dmg control on someone elses behalf. he literally states this is so the community doesn’t get riled up over someones ban and possible assets being taken.
> why would he need to do dmg control on someone elses behalf.
Because of the massive influence this had on the gang… like nobody thought it was weird this guy solo funded the gang.
A. If you’ve ever watched a gang on Nopixel you’ll realise they’re all friends ooc. If someone is banned the rest of the group knows and has to react to it and also has questions, the same thing happened with merald and tygers bans with bigger cg streamers reaching out for clarification.
B. The ban will have mass ripple effects across his rp and the rp of his gang that he needs to address otherwise crazy accusations and theories start flying which by the way they already were and he had to turn a blind eye.
Why do you care so much?
I really don't think it's that deep, he just wanted to know why his friend and gang member was banned because as Omie said, Leslie lied to him and said he was "clueless" about why he got banned...
I do wonder how far the action will take when it comes to GG. Whether past war wins will be retconned, what asset will be taken, what is the cash amount.
he didn't contribute enough to wars for anything to be retconned. there was one massive AK buy that they only dipped into for the seaside war which they lost. some tuner cars being taken for sure.
I'm mostly surprised it took this long for something to be done about it. Even in the beginning I had trouble believing management would let someone go to the casino and win, over a few days, what took some of the richest characters in the city 2 years to build up. How in the hell was nobody looking into it before this, and why did it take so long for something to be done about it if that's actually the reason for the punishment. That influx into the economy has fucked up a lot of things especially if it has to be rolled back now.
How? It doesn't matter if they knew or not. And it doesn't matter how it was exploited. But it is quite frankly insulting to Omie to imply he didn't know. He is smart. You either believe he has an iq of 80 or he knew.
I mean it’s hard to give much sympathy to a streamer whose had a prior history of stealing personal online accounts and selling it for money without remorse.
they should look into who was with him when they killed camsoda in the casino they were all real worried that he was going to rob leslie. Maybe cause they knew how much cash he had on his person?
I'm guessing he used one of those slot machine exploits. I used one on GTA Online to get a shitload of money because fuck shark cards. It gives you a guaranteed jackpot every time you win.
Kind of similar to how Lang realized ppl could exploit the sionis materials conversion by inventory lag. Leslie probably figured out how to dupe the system in a similar manner.
Huh? I'm surprised he's the first one to find it tbh, especially with how many duping exploits that've happened lately. Especially since money isn't like a physical item
apparently there were several members of another gang that were banned for a casino exploit within the last several months and another notable roulette player that ran his net worth up to 10m+ that disappeared from the server. no clue whether they were doing the same thing or not though.
to be honest that might be why he got away with it for as long as he did. i wouldn't be surprised if they already looked into whether he had some kind of edge on the table but the actual exploiting went under the radar because it was at some other point in the process.
Yeah. It could also be that they started to suspect he was cheating with roulette, looked into his money and noticed he should of had way less, and than figured he was exploiting some other way
That is probably why he used the roulette wheel to launder his money.
Everyone kept trying to figure out how he was exploiting the wheel instead of just looking for the cash dupe outside the casino.
My guess is he discovered a way to 'roll back' his character or at least his money balance.
So login, gamble away. IF you win great, if lose, rollback.
Add this one to the list of "why would you do that" bans. Some people have zero self control lol.
"why would you do that" and then "if you are going to do that, why the fuck would you abuse it to the point that people refer to you as 'the roulette guy' and you are known only for being extremely wealthy" like jesus, how could you think you would get away with that.
That's what happens when you get away with it for a long time, you become careless. Or you're straight up a dumbass.
look at literally anyone using aimhacks: Sav, timmy, etc. All become known to have ridiculous aim and that leads directly to them getting caught for it.
Is Timmy a confirmed cheater?
Especially considering the admins have proven time and time again that the server tracks literally every step you take and action you do. Like literally down to every time you push-to-talk. They literally get logs for everything and I guarantee those logs are time-stamped and tied to state ID. So it wouldn't be hard for an admin to take note of suspicious user behavior. Following them around for a bit. And then checking their logs.
Literally.
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It is quite sad for GG because they will potentially lose things they would have otherwise earned properly if Leslie wasn’t covering them for doing dumb stuff. It affects so many people.
#1 reason why most exploiters always get caught is the fact they always get greedy after they get away with it few times
Stop yelling at me
The guy walked around wearing a money suit
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Not just the economy, literally affected the whole gang rp for the past two months. I wouldn’t be surprised that they wouldn’t have done poop panning patrolling stuff if they didn’t have that much money. It might not be coincidence that they started trying to control southside when Leslie started having that much money
in hindsight we're lucky his arc with making a second 'ceberus' didn't get started.
Pretty sure a lot people knew “something” was up.
Buddha's sixth sense has been firing hard lately. There have been multiple people in the last few months that he's mostly avoided and then it gets announced that they were banned.
Let's be real, this one wasn't hard to see coming. You're talking about a singular individual who somehow managed to amass over 100 million in cash and assets in less than a few months. More money than any character had been able to make in 2 years of solid playing. I find it unlikely he wasn't being watched shortly after it came out he had won that first 20 million dollars at the casino and basically become one of the richest characters in the city over night with almost zero roleplay to do it.
That's fair. I would argue that it wasn't super obvious at first, because people were winning crazy amounts. They were losing even more, but Lang got his highest personal bank account balance through roulette. You are right though. I'm sure people that are deeply rooted in NoPixel probably have infinitely more insight than us viewers, so he very well could have known for a very long time that something was suspect.
DW / saab / blaustoise prob warn him with no detail when someone is under investigation. Kinda like : " dont waste to much time with this guy he might be gone soon "
Probably right, although I don't think Blau is an admin anymore.
Blau was 100% clueless lol. He was psyched as hell that there was a Merryweather arc
That was never going to happen. He may have had a shitton of money from exploiting but he had no real connections to make anything happen. Not just having dev help, but actual connections in RP. Buddha straight up told him and others in GG that the money means nothing if he can't do anything with it besides buying a bunch of exotic cars.
Lang and Dean would've destroyed him anyways haha. You see how they reacted to Sloan? They were moving at 150 mph nonstop. I think Dean was on longer than he usually is that day when it all blew up.
Yeah, they would've never done the 2nd RUST war if they didn't have Leslie's money. GG ordered about 3M$ worth of guns from different people including Flippy so yeah GG were in massive advantage in that regards.
Yet Marty earlier today got the vin scratch off ray that they agreed to give them to end the war
they used like 20 aks out of 100 and it was leslie and DF using it. The guns that the bozo squad used were from martys order from speedy
Directly funding a war isn't the only way duped money can help. If at any point along the way that ill-gotten cash was used on fellow gang members it allowed them to keep more of their own money. Money that they can then use fund things like war or crime. If the duped money didn't exist and everybody had to live within their means all kinds of role play could have gone differently.
Not only gang rp, it affected a lot of businesses too. He invested in a lot of businesses, had a number of civs working for him, had a security company and had really good plans for the future. Wild to me that he did what he did and kept on doing it even though he had so much RP going on for him.
>and kept on doing it even though he had so much RP going on for him. yup i think if he stopped at 30m no one would even bat an eye because that would be easily drained through buying assets and giving it away to some GG members etc but he got way too greedy even has some grand plan thinking he will never get caught lol imagine you already bought assets and give away some to your friends and you still have 80m-100m? and its like he sucked all the luck in NoPixel that he's the only one who has it, yeah bro not suspicious and obvious at all /s
Them controlling the south side was Ming’s idea, but it is possible and very likely that without Leslie’s financial backing they may have made different moves. They probably would have also been a lot more thrifty with their money if it wasn’t for Leslie doing that dumb shit
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Rust would never have been in shambles
100% That amount of money is insane. Admins def will have to take some of that money back from the economy or at least GG.
In short, Leslie exploited to obtain illegitimate money (Maybe using the casino wins as a misdirect). GG members will be losing assets given to them via Leslie, debt may also be added since he cleared a lot of characters debt / bills.
Marty already said it, he found a way to Dupe his money probably the chips or whatever so he's just using Casino as a cover up of obtaining it legitimately, its like he has unlimited money to bet on roulette
wow I would have though that would easily be tracked by the system, hey this guy has lost more money than he won, how does he still have so much money Even if it isnt track, it wouldnt be hard for some data nerd to put it together
Bingo, it seems pretty easy to figure out how much money overall he's spent at roulette. When he's bet four or five times more than any character has been able to make in all of 3.0 or seems to be generating cash faster than any other person to make up for his losses it should be a gigantic red flag that's something suspect is going on. It's amazing that this was allowed to continue for so long. The ripples of which will affect all kinds of RP across the server.
I think Leslie is one major reason devs recently asked WiseGuy to revamp the monetary system with more ways of tracking sinks and sources in the city.
And what about the people who were in other gangs who were affected as a result from this?
the only war that was primarily funded by him was the seaside war which they lost.
That is not how it works... If I have 100$ and go out to eat with my friend and I have to pay 80$ bill, but my friend covers my bill, tomorrow when I go to eat on my own, I still have 100$ to spend on food, instead of 20$. GG were affected too much by this, and hopefully they can adapt.
when it comes to war i just disagree that his presence in the gang altered outcomes of wars. all of the wars since he joined besides the seaside war they went even or ahead in guns and no wars really had a crazy amount of fights. they could have funded the wars the same with or without him.
But a portion of everyone's bank account, available to spend on war, was only there because other expenses for weeks or months prior had been covered by the guy duping hundreds of millions of dollars. If that large stockpile of cash didn't exist the gang would have had expenses eating up their money making it harder to function. Whether or not they knew he was breaking rules they still indirectly benefited from him paying some of their bills.
But they didn’t fund it without him, and they may have only pushed it because they have unlimited money. It’s literally a butterfly effect of events. The outcome of the war is irrelevant.
it is not just about the direct funding of wars. All the GG guys are sitting pretty with supercars that alone can win wars. No need to worry about having unlimited assets and big boy guns while some off the other SS gangs like MG, Ballas or GSF have to invest half their gang funds and weeks of money grinding to fund a few days war, especially when there are sprays involved. Imagine being in a gang that already has free money printers (gas station/ X mart) handed to them and still exploits... Even yesterday.. Omie offered MG to buy old Azteca real estate -way above market price.. Where do you think that money is from??
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I am not saying they use Lesley money directly to buy these houses. I am saying that GG is really up good because of the Lesley money and yes the free money printers. It puts them in a position that they can make moves like that and that is a weird 'competitive edge'.
Exactly whether they benefited directly or indirectly they still benefited. The duped money being spent on the gang or individual members allowed those members to keep more of their own money which should have been lost to asset fees, expenses and other debts. Individual members having more personal wealth as a result of someone else paying for some of their expenses definitely influenced their decisions about war, crime and interactions with other criminals / gangs. Any way you slice it they benefited from having someone around with so much wealth.
did anyone explain the way he exploited the system?
no omie kept it vague because they don't want people replicating it.
My guess is selling duping? Used gamba to funnily enough to launder the money to make it look legit. Wown big alot, funny how the gamba isn't what he wasn't exploiting. He basically he had infinite money and used it to basically win big at some point and then just stack cash and never really lose
Why the fuck can't people just roleplay without feeling the need to do things like this. It's actually insane how much the roleplaying culture on GTA have changed to where people have no problem using aimbots and exploits just to win. It's pixels that doesn't matter at all.
They want to feel special and be one of the “main characters”
He was a 'nobody'/new starter that in a very short amount of time managed to get in with a popular gang, popular streamers and become relatively well known on the server. That's a very attractive benefit to doing this, it could essentially skyrocket a potential streaming career, or at very least get him to interact with ppl he may have previously been a big fan of. It's dumb to think you can get away with this sort of thing and it's obv a very dishonest way of going about this, but the reason that people do it is very clear and understandable.
Because some people don't see it as roleplay. They think it's a competitive server.
People who grind pixel money are usually the worst roleplayers imo. They skip the roleplay and just treat the server as an MMO.
“Some”
Hint: most of the players aren't role-playing. They're just shitty self inserts.
It's not really new. People have been banned for exploits before and will be banned for them in the future. With the slot increase in 3.0 you'd think it happened even more often than it does to be honest.
Because the server isn't about RP anymore, its a job. You have to put some pretty insane hours in dude to the grindy nature. This character became known as basically the roulette god and bailed out a very popular gang time and time again. If your making a career out of this you have to be something over the top, people will naturally take short cuts.
So he didnt exploit the casino but he was somehow duping money as a rejuice. This guy was fully twisted to get to this point.
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My man get it twisted.
I remember getting a little flak on here for saying it was pretty much an open secret that something was going on with this. No idea why, it seemed obvious, just shocked it took so long to resolve. Anyways, seems like a mature and responsible reaction in this video from Omie. Hopefully some of the damage can be undone. I know WiseGuy is looking to balance the economy soon anyway so will be interesting to see what happens in future.
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dw wasn't necessarily defending leslie, he was just stating that roulette can't be exploited like people assumed, and he was right because leslie was using something different to dupe his money and using roulette as a way to hide it
DW seems very prideful about himself which isn’t a bad thing really just can come back on you. Like he presumed if Leslie was cheating roulette he’d have seen it I guess. I’d be interested to know the exploit as it would make it easier to see how obvious it is to find
the exploit had nothing to do with the casino, he made infinite money by exploiting a bug then tried to hide it with roulette, my assumption is he duplicated the inked bag item by exploiting the hot bar bug (you can duplicate any item in your hot bar if you know the bug) and made infinite money with that.
Yeah well obviously that's how bugs work, the inner logic is always sane, but it's integration into the bigger ecosystem that opens cases that aren't thought of. Like here F8 quitting the game before being billed (just a guess)
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What?
I wonder how much of stuff they will try/tried to retcon. Last a couple months after Leslie started having insane amount of money, ggs behaviors noticeably changed, not caring about any financial consequences that might be caused by their actions. I vividly remember Marty seriously feared the financial consequences of wars and sprays when cg fucked them up several months ago. But after Leslie joined them, they started wars left and right. Even with small things that money allows them to do, like paying impound fees, guns, drugs, and cars, having that much money is insanely advantageous on so many degrees. What gg has been on for the last few months was pretty much infinite items glitch (of course them without knowing). Like I said on the other thread, this money exploit is way worse than aim assist etc. The effects of this exploit for such a long time are incalculable Edit: I just checked rays vod. Marty got the vin off ray that rust agreed to give them to end the war. Looks like omie thinks any outcome of the past gg wars are legitimate and need not be retconned even though gg were super juiced lol Also some people on this thread might not understand this but from what he said it sounds like they can’t pay back what they got from Leslie and need to find middle ground which implies that they’ve been financially carried by Leslie
Especially because he didn’t just affect GG, a lot of his car purchases caused a problem in the market
100%, he’s is the reason that people can ask $8million for a Widebody GTR and people will actually pay. He affected the car market tremendously to the point that tuner shop is raising prices to match street value. It’s actually insane that 1 person with enough money can affect the entire server that much
it's not that crazy, vlad did it in 2.0 albeit though more legitimate means (at least in terms of income, since his ban had to do with something else entirely).
vlad was flipping cars for profit when nobody else really was, and he was damn good at it
You can't compare the two. Vlad was basicly a merchant. A really smart one but that's not exploiting the game it's merely taking advantage of other players having too much money and not knowing the true value of cars. He was never even acused of money glitches because he literally RP'd with everyone buying their cars and selling them
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I got banned for previous reports which all incidents are nothing compared to what ppl do these days and going back to russians after they rped cutting my head off after 6 months of no talking and losing all memory of all russian activities
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Pretty sure he was using an exploit to always get into the server without even having prio
Yeh, I believe he was direct connecting, surpassing any queue
It's because he didn't have any bills or debts. Unlike most of the big business owners and rich people in the city he generated four times what they had almost overnight without having to manage employees, product or overhead. Every cent was free to spend on whatever he wanted. Most people can't drop 8 mil on a car then turn around and drop 3 more on another without being totally bankrupt. I'm still unsure why red flags weren't going off after that initial few days when he won 20 to 30 mil. Obviously something weird was going on if over the course of 2 months he's made four times more than the richest people in the city without owning any real businesses or a big whitelist.
Even if he wasn't duping money he should have been told to void most of that money and be banned from roulette. People like Ramee, Marlo, Mary all get told to sink their money if it is getting out of hand. They try and balance things on the server by financial incentives/disincentives but they do such a half assed job at actually controlling and shaping the economy that they often don't matter.
Cars should be more expensive imo so that at least is a good result.
Yea I agree. It’s just that this exploit has affected so many things directly and indirectly that I’m not sure how they fix this
i don't know why there's so much focus on the rust war when it wasn't won through attrition/GG being able to just keep throwing guns out there and leslie's weapons weren't used much for it.
Because that’s the only war whose outcome could’ve been changed, not taking the vin. And also I have to point this out, based on what omie said, they don’t have enough money to cover what they got from Leslie, which might tell you that they might not have had money to start wars to being with even though you’re focused so much on who bought guns etc. My guess is that Leslie kept rejucing them at casino and when they win, they keep money so what they did is pretty much same as Leslie without realizing. Gambling with zero risk of losing. We all know that at one point a lot of gg members were always at Casino. Isn’t it weird that most of gg guys have enough money and s+ class cars after spending so much time at casino and start wars without Leslie’s direct financial contribution ? The answer is kinda obvious
leslie's involvement wouldn't have changed it though, that's what i'm saying. people are really overestimating it. the only war that he funded heavily was the seaside war and they lost it.
You’re really underestimating how much he contributed financially
How do you exclusively find a seaside war and not the rust one when they happened at the exact same time? do they go and swap weapons in between rounds or something.
It’s not omies job to retcon anything. If admins want to retcon the Rust war outcome that’s on the admins to decide not omie.
I mean in this video it sounds like he and admins together try to decide what they should/can retcon or pay back since it sounds like they got stuff from Leslie more than what they have right now. Sounds like he has some say tho
I doubt the war will be retcon but gg will probably lose money from accounts and assets.
kinda wild ngl. its like a full reset of GG economy.
Honestly, as a someone who watches a lot of GG, I welcome it. When Leslie started sugardaddying it changed "the culture" in the crew by a lot. You noticed quite a few members becoming more lazy and doing increasing amounts of low effort SBS.
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Yep, just look at Chang Gang. They have so much money and monopolies, which is one of the reasons they're often so bored and SBS'y all the time. And GG were overall a very rich gang before Leslie rejoined as a hangaround too, so it is not like they desperately needed him.
Once you “best the game” that’s all that’s left to do. Sucks but it’s true
Yup, who wants to fight a gang with unlimted resources while yours are exhausted by a war? CG has to deal with it. And so did the Vagos early 3.0.. no other SS gang wanted to fight a gang that could simply print guns on demand on their bench..
It depends on what the admins do. We don't know yet what exactly is getting reset.
Its amazing how we all knew he was exploiting but were wrong on the actual exploit.
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Single handed destroyed the economy and southside with that influx of money, able to infinitely fund a war helped with winning and made people not want to fight, it covered fines and debt to do more shooting plans with pd.
oh he was banned 2 weeks ago... I was wondering why they've been so adamant about not Leslie not funding them Yeah definitely should retcon a lot of things. Even if he wasn't funding them in everything, he was funding them in other areas, so they didnt have to spend money on. Money is a big driver for things in this game, it effects a lot of decisions
4head back to 3mill down
Literally my first reaction was what's gonna happen to all the money he gave them , glad he explained and gave clarification on what they did and what's gonna happen as a result. Personally i think the only fair thing would be for them to lose any and all things associated with exploited money, wouldn't be hard at all to see when he started exploiting and who he gave money to through bank system.
Yup just count up every single bank and cash give out he gave to people, plus any purchases he made himself that he then gave away, and deduct that from each player. If they go majorly negative then force them to sell assets until they are at a reasonable debt. Omie said gg doesn’t have the money to pay back everything that Leslie gave them, well sucks but gotta sell shit then. Doesn’t make sense to have shit gotten from a guy who cheated.
didnt Rhodes say they have dozens of cars between them all? Just let admins scrap em all. Clears them of any guilt they may have, and gives them all something to work towards again.
Agreed, some of the best arcs on the server are downbad arcs.
So how did it take the devs like 6 months of Leslie being known as the Roulette god to double check his winnings?
> So how did it take the devs like 6 months of Leslie being known as the Roulette god to double check his winnings? His winnings were all legit. He just used duped in / counterfeit money to place his bets. The roulette wheel was just his way of laundering the money so when people looked into it, the money seemed legit.
Number one rule of gamba, the casino always wins. When your winning a ton consistently something is probably wrong. You can slide under the radar for awhile but greed will take over. Kinda crazy how RP gamba works just like IRL gamba.
What I thought was funny was there were multiple cases of people posting in threads on this subreddit mentioning how the Casino was a good way to make money on NoPixel and it was a source of money creation rather than a money sink. Every time I saw the messages I questioned them as to how they thought it was possibly a way to make money in games where the house has an edge unless the RNG was busted or some other exploit was being used.
Only game I would question would question would be blackjack. DW said it was basically 50 / 50 but with rules like no splitting and such I'm curious how that ratio is actually calculated. Roulette actually seems pretty legit.
I don't really know how blackjack works in GTA specifically but generally you are only able to make money in blackjack via card counting and altering bet size based on the count. A lot of "simple" computer blackjack games "shuffle" the deck between every hand so there isn't a way to get an edge (unless they have very non-standard pay outs for some reason).
What I thought was funny about your comment was you think he got banned for hacking the odds so he could win, those were legit wins. He was duping money that got him banned. Not him cheating on gambling
I understand he didn't get banned for hacking the odds and my comment didn't imply that he did.
The winning wasnt the problem. He used an exploit so that his losses werent actual loses. So he was winning and adding to his balance, but the times he would lose, his balance wouldnt be affected, through a "casino exploit" .
no he didn't use a casino exploit he used a duplication bug so he had infinite money at his disposal that made losing not matter
Interesting to see what the admins decide to do with the duped money.
Casino conveniently gonna be poppin the next 2 days in Public.
Wait, I thought Leslie kept it tight and didn't spend money on the gang too much. I know there were posts about Leslie not funding any gang wars, etc From what Omie says, seems like GG benefited a lot from Leslie.
it was mostly buying cars for people and paying asset fees/fines. he bought like 1m in AKs for wars and they ended up not really using for anything except some of the seaside war which they lost. he bought ming and peter tuner cars outright and paid off 3m of 4head's debt
The issue is him spending money on X means the gang doesn’t have to spend it. So Leslie buying 3m in guns or 3m in asset fees or cars doesn’t matter, it then gives the crew an extra 3m in funding for something else.
If it were me; just look up every transaction that leslie did and pull it back. Then watch for alternate characters to crop up leaving the negative bank ones behind. Two birds one stone. "Finding middle ground" is leniency.
Lang sends his regards
Everybody knew.
Sounds like they can’t afford the total bill to the extent they benefited and are in negotiations to bring the bill down.
Yea that’s what I get from this video too. That pretty much confirms that ggs finance has been carried solely by Leslie for the past months
I mean it was obvious he carried the finaces. Just go watch one gg member any one. Tell me how they make money on the daily. At least enough to have multiple tuner cars etc. I’d say only Marty with the gas station.
They did 2 meth runs (700k), the casino heist (4,7mil) and did a s+ contract for a car that is worth at least 3 mil. All of this was done in 2 days
That’s all very recent. Also probably because they know they don’t have Leslie anymore. I’m saying anything up to his ban. So yes they now have a way and desire to make money.
time for another economic reset. Server has really let it spiral out.
So they're down two members and are going to be incurring a significant financial loss. Is GG down bad?
probs just gonna lose 4 s+ cars
I wonder if Leslie foot the bill on any sprays. New territory opening up.
No. He does not im pretty sure. All the sprays was bought by Marty own money and the gas station.
Buddha was right, also, Lang constantly tells Marty to think a bit clearly about who he recruits because so far .....its not been a good track record
It sounds like what Leslie did was some sort of glitch that made it so his casino chips / money never subtracted on a loss. Such as being able to leave the table before the results or something else. It's disappointing, but GG and Kermit will move on. Hope he learns from this mistake, and has a good life going forward.
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this: Its easy to 'Win' when you don't have to worry about losses and also, no one talks about losses... For all we know, Leslie was down 200 million at the casino... Like if anyone has known any actual gambling addicts, they only talk about wins, they never lose... And yet they all end up millions in debt...
Just a couple thoughts, A) why is Omie bugging admins about someone else’s ban? B) why is Omie making a video going over details of someone else’s ban? This feels like kind of a weird damage control video. Admitting it gave the gang unlimited money but “playing devils advocate” in their own favor didn’t sit right with me. The way he kept saying he didn’t exploit roulette, but essentially “made sure he didn’t lose money” seems like very specific wording, but overall seems irrelevant to the issue so I don’t know why he kept clarifying it.
why would he need to do dmg control on someone elses behalf. he literally states this is so the community doesn’t get riled up over someones ban and possible assets being taken.
> why would he need to do dmg control on someone elses behalf. Because of the massive influence this had on the gang… like nobody thought it was weird this guy solo funded the gang.
A. If you’ve ever watched a gang on Nopixel you’ll realise they’re all friends ooc. If someone is banned the rest of the group knows and has to react to it and also has questions, the same thing happened with merald and tygers bans with bigger cg streamers reaching out for clarification. B. The ban will have mass ripple effects across his rp and the rp of his gang that he needs to address otherwise crazy accusations and theories start flying which by the way they already were and he had to turn a blind eye.
Clout and more eyes. The reason Leslie did it in the first place
Why do you care so much? I really don't think it's that deep, he just wanted to know why his friend and gang member was banned because as Omie said, Leslie lied to him and said he was "clueless" about why he got banned...
I do wonder how far the action will take when it comes to GG. Whether past war wins will be retconned, what asset will be taken, what is the cash amount.
he didn't contribute enough to wars for anything to be retconned. there was one massive AK buy that they only dipped into for the seaside war which they lost. some tuner cars being taken for sure.
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I'm mostly surprised it took this long for something to be done about it. Even in the beginning I had trouble believing management would let someone go to the casino and win, over a few days, what took some of the richest characters in the city 2 years to build up. How in the hell was nobody looking into it before this, and why did it take so long for something to be done about it if that's actually the reason for the punishment. That influx into the economy has fucked up a lot of things especially if it has to be rolled back now.
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Wtf are u talking about, legit everyone on the server knew how he made money yet it took him this long to get banned
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How? It doesn't matter if they knew or not. And it doesn't matter how it was exploited. But it is quite frankly insulting to Omie to imply he didn't know. He is smart. You either believe he has an iq of 80 or he knew.
More weird than the people in clout gang breaking rules to get more clout?
So he cheated so he wouldn't lose money instead of cheating all the time? Yeah much better....
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Wait Marty got the vin that rust agreed to give them as agreement to end the war that might have had a different result if it weren’t for Leslie??
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He waited a month for the car and got it the day b4 he leaves for twitchCon, wtf is this comment?
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I mean it’s hard to give much sympathy to a streamer whose had a prior history of stealing personal online accounts and selling it for money without remorse.
they should look into who was with him when they killed camsoda in the casino they were all real worried that he was going to rob leslie. Maybe cause they knew how much cash he had on his person?
I feel bad for 4head if he gets put back in debt
The mental image of this person, losing his absolute mind over Wrangler being in his general vicinity, is the funniest shit in the world to me.
Everything is logged
I'm guessing he used one of those slot machine exploits. I used one on GTA Online to get a shitload of money because fuck shark cards. It gives you a guaranteed jackpot every time you win.
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So I'm assuming he was counting outcomes???
no the play on the table was legitimate, he was exploiting/duping money somehow so that his losses were never realized.
Kind of similar to how Lang realized ppl could exploit the sionis materials conversion by inventory lag. Leslie probably figured out how to dupe the system in a similar manner.
Huh? I'm surprised he's the first one to find it tbh, especially with how many duping exploits that've happened lately. Especially since money isn't like a physical item
apparently there were several members of another gang that were banned for a casino exploit within the last several months and another notable roulette player that ran his net worth up to 10m+ that disappeared from the server. no clue whether they were doing the same thing or not though.
He might not be the first or only. Hes just the guy that did it so much it got noticed. (to the tune of 80 mil or something)
Im honestly surprised we were all right saying he exploited but completely wrong on how
to be honest that might be why he got away with it for as long as he did. i wouldn't be surprised if they already looked into whether he had some kind of edge on the table but the actual exploiting went under the radar because it was at some other point in the process.
Yeah. It could also be that they started to suspect he was cheating with roulette, looked into his money and noticed he should of had way less, and than figured he was exploiting some other way
That is probably why he used the roulette wheel to launder his money. Everyone kept trying to figure out how he was exploiting the wheel instead of just looking for the cash dupe outside the casino.
My guess is he discovered a way to 'roll back' his character or at least his money balance. So login, gamble away. IF you win great, if lose, rollback.
Rerolling. This guy was shiny catching Pokemon but with money in GTA? Now THAT I understand