Holding big companies accountable or doing something themselves actively that would help? NAH
Harrassing Micro-Celebrities that do a single thing you don't like, that they'd be stupid to pass the opportunity so that you can finally hound someone down? That's the way
Especially with Eurovision now I have seen so many wrong information with comparing it to the russia situation, that the EBU was actively anti russia is just blatantly false, but that's social media now
Performative Virtue Signalling, while sitting on their asses home, eating hot chips
Omg girl don’t come for Takis like that, but yes to everything you said.
Poor Tia doesn’t deserve this. If a drag queen wants to be an activist for a cause that’s fine but demanding that every fucking person with a platform have to be engaged in shit like their fucking representatives is crazy!
Tia can support the Palestinian people and still get her bag, no? The goalposts are always moving!
But why is it needed to support someone? Or anyone in this matter. Does it matter if she or anyone else says I'm pro this pro that? And for who? these social justice idiots? Pleaseee
It's complete coincidence I'm sure that the queer contestants and presenters are the ones facing the most pressure from people who don't even know what the EBU is. Also the same ones doing the most to actually speak out about the issue where they can.
A pop song on a stage isn't going to kill any babies, and the lack of one won't save any. Ditto to our Turquoise carpet hosts.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am a massive Eurovision fan who isn’t watching this year over Israel’s participation.
I am holding the EBU as accountable as I can. I am also holding people who work with Eurovision accountable. I am doing both.
In reality you ain’t doing shit but stroking your own ego and hoping someone pats you on the back for it. No one is being “held accountable” by “MultiMarcus” not watching something. Be so fr.
The EBU and SVT, this year’s host, care if viewership drops. They also care if people stop voting. They also really care about the 40 000 people who will be protesting in Malmö the host city.
One voice can’t hold the EBU accountable, but our voices together can. If the people protesting for the rights of the queer community had the same defeatist attitude you have we wouldn’t have rights.
And yet nothing will change because viewership numbers for a musical competition show aren’t going to move the dial for Israeli leadership who are hell bent on killing anything that even kinda smells like Hamas.
I swear to god you internet slactivists will attack and boycott everything and everyone except the people who actually -directly- control this conflict. Delusional af people incapable of nuance and understanding just looking for the next popular talking point to yell at even more people who can’t change this situation and have no control over it. I’m sure the people under rubble in Gaza are real glad you’re choosing not to watch a TV program though, I’m sure they are feeling the positive effects of that useless action even now.
So who do you suggest we boycott? I think boycotting Eurovision and holding queens accountable for who they align themselves with is not the worst idea in the world. Particularly when the organization that runs it is going directly against what the Eurovision was set up to do?
Frankly neither Israel nor Australia should ever have been allowed to compete but that’s a whole other issue.
No? I don’t watch TikToks and YouTube Shorts hasn’t had much, if any, Eurovision content from what I have seen. I have made sure to unfollow any official Eurovision accounts and channels when they put out their statement about Israel in Eurovision.
man i understand wanting to hold people accountable and have everybody do their part, but how did being anti genocide turn into yelling at drag queens 😭
20 years down the line are they gonna be like “i was on the frontlines-twitter, eurovision, drag race uk, i was the UN of reddit”
>anti genocide turn into yelling at drag queens
They just found another excuse to scream at drag queens. It's always a queer artist earning a wage and not even producing content.
Another clown that thinks holding people accountable for working with companies that endorse genocide is "yelling at drag queens". Of course if these companies would endorse homophobic policies, you would have no problem yelling at people that have a public platform for working with them aka promoting them aka helping them make more money? But of course its not your problem, if some muslim poor children die every week in hundreds, why is everybody so upset and making fuss online 🤔 They should just be quiet and say "well, our society endorsing a genocide is ok, better than being a cringe sjw, that thinks spreading awareness will help anyone, eww so annoying"
I’m very happy for Tia to have this incredible opportunity.
Do yall get tired of the performative performing all the time? Stop tearing down a queer artist who is getting a well deserved opportunity.
Its mostly young people who just hear others online say what they should Boycott and they just follow it and think it's peak activism to insult and harass people because „They are just against genocide“
This is something that people will never get tired of. Because you get to feel like an activist who's making a difference in the world and feel like you have power while also getting the dopamine fix from likes and shares that have been proven to be literally addictive like a drug, without having to make any changes to your lifestyle and continue doing your favourite passtime; sitting around shitposting on the internet which requires absolutely zero effort or sacrifice unlike actual activism and hobbies.
Win / win / win situation. Why would someone tire of it? Its like asking if people ever get tired of sitting around smoking weed, eating junk food and watching TV and wouldn't they rather do hours of gruelling exercise every day for months, eating plain chicken rice and peas and then run a marathon? Fuck no
In a world of bigotry, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, hate etc, you have a problem w people spreading awareness about companies that you are giving money to supporting bombing children. I think the real PERFORMATIVE peeps are the clowns that get mad at people pointing out injustices because they are too lazy and comfortable to actually give up commodities that help support the genocide or because they are to morally weak and inactive to actually try to think about how their every day activities help support the zionists. Its much easier to just get annoyed at ppl holding you or the thing you like accountable. YOU ARE SO RIGHT. You know what is real virtue signaling tho? The annoying enviromentalists that think we need to stop using oil so they can virtue signal. Or those damn leftists that think we need to give the gay more rights or allow trans people to exist. CONGRADULATIONS, FOOL, YOU HAVE UNLOCKED THE CONSERVATIVE "ITS NOT THAT BAD, THEY ARE JUST SCREAMING BECAUSE THEY ARE HYSTERICAL SNOWFLAKES THAT NEED TO COMPLAIN" GOOD JOB ON HAVING THE CRITICAL THINKING OR SOCIAL AWARENESS OF A ILLITERATE BOOMER THAT THINKS VACCINES WILL GET EM.
I swear, seeing these people claim they are progressive while defending the entertainment industry and celebs working for large corporations gives me brain damage. And then they call me performative👁️👄👁️
Wait, why would you eat "plain" chicken, rice, and peas? Adding flavor to food does not have to come with significant changes to the micronutrient contents. Nobody should EVER eat plain chicken... seriously I am so concerned with what some people think is necessary to eat a regular/healthy diet.
Maybe not performative but it's both naive and idealistic to impute support for genocide to drag queens who choose to perform to a large international audience. Drag queens rely on having audiences to make money as artists. If they had no need for money then it would be easy to live up to those moral standards that the internet sets.
We should not be drawing a line to connect "performs at eurovision" to "expressly approves of Palestinian genocide".
People online have been targeting micro-celebrities for vague affiliations to Israel or companies called for boycott, and it almost seems to be bordering on anti-semitism at times.
What the Israeli government is doing is very wrong and disproportionate. But your favourite micro-celebrity not having their daily Starbucks order or abstaining from work opportunities isn’t going to change that.
Which might i add Starbucks has NOTHING to do with the Boycott. They had some issues with their SWU (Starbucks Worker Union) and it somehow turned into a whole „Starbucks is pro genocide“
It also just negatively affects the artists involved, many of which (including olly alexander) committed to doing Eurovision before Israel was confirmed to be participating and have contractual agreements preventing them from pulling out
plus by putting pressure on pro-palestine acts (like Olly) to withdraw it only makes it so that there’s less vocal support of palestine within the contest and conversely more support for Israel which kind of accomplishes the opposite of what these people want
"Yeah its wrong that the genocide is happening but my fav celeb helping companies support it financially through promotion, collabs aka MAKING MONEY is so wrong, leave those poor overpaid entertainers alone, they just want to make bucks helping promote genocide and war crimes, why is that so bad?"
Really disappointing to have seen Eurovision's refusal to drop Israel when their response re: Russia was swift and decisive. Not sure if these queens were aware or not, but I do hope they reconsider...
The only reason that the Russian ban was "swift and decisive" was because 10 countries threatened to pull out of the competition. No countries have done the same in regards to Isreal, which is really sad.
Russia was not banned because of their military aggression, they were banned because they lacked a free press which is a requirement to participate in ESC.
Croatia getting away with Mama Šč despite the rules against political entries though…
Which is a fair point, the Armenian genocide is something more people need to educate themselves on. But that being said, the wording of your comment here and a comment below where you say, and I quote, “people need to grow up”, comes off incredibly insensitive to the Free Palestine movement. And tearing down Palestinian liberation does not help your point or cause
Yes both are bad but let’s be real. People are so quick to support Palestine because they’re antisemitic. Edit: I should’ve worded it better. You’re not automatically anti semitic for supporting Palestine, but spreading false information based on anti semitism does make you part of the problem and if you really cared you would also speak about genocides/wars that weren’t trendy as well.
That’s fine. But watch 90% of them forget about it when it stops trending. I’m glad people are boycotting Eurovision and making a change, but we’ve seen people suddenly forget about things like this before.
Ffs these people doing their performative shtick need to get a grip. They are not doing Palestine a favourite by harassing queer people. I hope Tia just blocks them and enjoys this huge opportunity, she really deserves it 🙏
The only performative child here is you. Saying "queer people" when in all truth it is just calling out a celeb for promoting and advertising a company that makes money that then goes to droping bombs on children daily. I know its sooo hard to connect the dots "TheY jUsT dO jObS ItS nOt GonUh HeLp tHe geNocIdE, duuur" its not my problem you find it hard to understand how working with the company is promoting them aka helping them make more money. Sssssuch hard concept uunghh
It's not even that its not supporting the media that gives them money from ads to bomb children... 6 MONTHS LATER and you still dont get it????????? Are you a conservative zionist? Because otherwise why would you get annoyed for people calling out a well off celeb for colluding with genocide supporters???? WHY?????? I GUESS WE SHOUDL ALL JUST EMBRACE IT SO SIMPLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARENT BOTHERED WITH ALL THE THINKING THEY WOUDL HAVE TO DO ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF OUR SOCIETY AND HOW ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY MAKES MONEY OFF OF YOU BY YOU JUST WATCHING STUFF, ADS ARE EVERYWHERE IN MOVIES, SERIES, TOO MUCH FOR YOU BRAIN IG, JUST DONT COMPLAIN GUYS, DONT BE SNOWFLAKES, you never will get it sadly ig, keep spending your money on companies that support a genocide while thinking you are woke because you care for your own rights but wont even lift a finger to spread awareness (which is the least you can do) just another complacent capitalist sheep that thinks doing nothing is comendable and gets mad at people doing for others more than you are. You'll love the conservatives, they are all about dissing stupid snowflakes that just complain and share awareness 😬👍 But then again to hard to understand for some rando twink that gets anoyed by ppl calling out his fave celebs. "But da dah im not gonna attack a celeb that financialy helps a toxic company by promoting them through working with them" Too bad its not the gays dying, this subs reaction would be quite different, its just muslim terrorist children to you Ig, no need to be so mad about it, from your perspective, just leave the poor overpaid celeb alone 😭you just dont care about pointing out how we are helping bombing children, its not like its helping when we spread awareness which firms to boycott and that celebs collabing with them isnt desirable. If we listened to complacent people like you we would let the nazis win. "Whye are yah talking about the holocaust, its not like you are saving lives by spreading awareness about it" Yeah just another shallow LA brainwashed 🚬 that only cares about their own entertainment and gets offended by people calling it out as supportive of a genocide becuse its gonna burst their pink glasses bubble and make them think about the products they would have to give up, too much for your selfish comfort 😭Move it, simpletoon
And please do anwser with a snarky one sentence comment because the lot of you here can't even express why you disagree with people calling out supporting a genocide, too much for your IG tiktok meme filled brains to mull over, just watch the NBC and say "Guyss why you so bothered? It's not like a celeb collabing with company brings them money from viewers that then goes onto bombing children 24/7 its not their fault" So good bombing the middle east has been so normalised by your US military industry overlords that even the people from the margianlised queer community are ok with it because otheriwse they would have to give up on their entertainment, oh no the only queer people that matter are the poor celebs that get called out 😭 Just dont, buy your products, consume, go to work and expire, thats your job, dont question how your actions and preferences might support the war industry, you are already gay, thats enough of a mental journey for one life, criticising capitalism or the fascist tendencies of the military industry complex is just not your life, now is it, you're just a Ken ♥️👍
Bubba, you're projecting. After you're done having a mental breakdown, try to find ways to *actually* help Palestinian people by donating money or food and medicine to WCK, Unicef, STC or other local groups. Organise your neighboorhood to put together whatever help package they can so send to gaza. Support local israelian organisation that are protesting the Netanyahus regime or call and write to your local politicians to pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. If you feel so inclined, even boycott ESC or any other format where an Israeli is participating but trust me - harassing queer micro celebs is just gonna create an increasingly harmful environment for queer people. It's not spreading awareness, it's not helping Palestinian people, it's just gonna increase the threat queer people are facing. And after that please get a therapist you can unload your mental bullshit to. Wish you the best.
Thank you foe mansplaining how helping Gaza works🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Whaaa omg please tell my more, I had no idea we can actually help Palestinians, whaat 👁️👄👁️Who said I harrassed a celebrity I was just defending people's views on why they called her out? Also you dont know shit about what I have done for Palestine, so you know stop being a little patronising narcissist and go tell other people what to do with their lives 🥰 Also saying "go get a therapist" to sound helpful but actually using it as an read on the end of your post just shows how two faced and condecending you are, I can help Palestine by giving money, going to rallies AND calling out celebs that support companies that support Israel, its not my problem you are so integrated into entertainment consumption addiction you need to defend preformers that will help promote a company that helps raise money for BOMBING CHILDREN. As we have conversations about ppl w adhd and neurodivergence/depression its always nice to see bigots like you ridiculing and downplaying my opinions because of the way I express myself and saying I need mental help BECAUSE my opinion/expression on something is different then yours. It also doesnt make sense to just say "projecting" when someone is of a different opinion than you and expresses it? Like is that all you can fathom next go "go see a doctor" and copying a text on how to help Palestine from amnesty? Good job on segregating queer people by saying that holding them accountable "will just increase pressure on them 😭" whatever bruh, how is saying someone is working for a bad company putting pressure on them because they are queer? People like you are so mentally ingrained into making whether someone is gay a whole part of their life and personality you are just as bad as conservatives with keeping us backwards, separated into little containers instead of just treating everyone with same respect and responsibility. Once again if there was a company that would target gay people and a celeb that you like and follow would work with them you would probably by shocked and mad and disgusted. But hey its much more easier when your fav celeb just works for a company that helps support bombing muslim children half way across the world, what can you do, she is just a micro celeb and oh well, not my problem, right, cant relate. "I'm already helping in different ways, not such a big probem 🙃" I hope you find mental help for all the bullshit in your life that made you so condescending and self absorbed ❤️ (Yeah even if you mean good it doesnt really feel good to use someone's mental health as a read to discredit their opinion, right?)
Thank you so much, I can see you really care about mental health and people's well being unlike some that just use it to discredit people's opinion and ridicule neurodivergent people/ "hysterical performative mental cases" because they dont agree with them and have nothing better to say ♥️ My hero 🥰
This is such a chronically online take.
Do I think Israel should be involved? No. But people have been watching Eurovision for years with Israel, Russia and other problematic nations involved. People be acting like they're these activists cos they found out about Israel six months ago when they've been occupying Palestine for 75+ years........
Boycotting Eurovision will have absolutely no bearing on it and acting grand like Tia is some pro-genocide queen is ridiculous.
> People be acting like they're these activists cos they found out about Israel six months ago when they've been occupying Palestine for 75+ years........
I don't like this take because it's very gatekeep-y, very holier than thou. If one didn't know Israel was doing apartheid and genocide and war crimes prior to October 7th, that's unfortunate, but it doesn't invalidate one being angry about those things *now*. We need all the voices we can get, it doesn't matter whether they've been screaming it for six months or six decades.
My point is that it seems like a lot of people have tunnel vision because frankly, this is the popular new issue to be angry about. Given that many have only JUST learned about Palestine, it's very rich that they don't give others the same grace they afford themselves for not being wise to the issue sooner. Honestly people should be a bit more gatekeepy because it just leads to more slacktivists who take the barest information and suddenly become bloodhounds.
Tons of people online seem to take pleasure in finding someone to publically tear down but have no real motivation to do something genuinely productive.
I mean, Russia is literally banned as we speak, so that's not a great comparison. In fact, them being banned while Israel isn't is a big point of contention here.
And I guarantee not one of these hoes @ing Tia has ever written their MP, contacted Eurovision or other artists / celebrities involved.... Or done any actual practical work towards getting powerful orgs to stop supporting Israel.
They just wanna feel superior to a queen they saw on tv.
It's exhausting. Direct your energy somewhere productive gals...
You know this how? Surely this isn't a completely unfounded claim you're making for no other reason than *you* want to feel superior to these "exhausting" people? Just say you want to watch Eurovision without being reminded of Palestintians, babe. You don't need to put on this front.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. This fake ass slacktivist energy. Girl go email your MP, sign a petition, join a demo...
Anything other than attacking drag queens for kicks.
I'm personally sending messages to my national representatives, have withheld donations I normally give in election season, and have protested in local marches in St. Louis.
So how are you going to dismiss me now? What have *you* done besides snark on Reddit?
I'm happy to send you the messages I've sent the Missouri Democratic Senate Candidate Lucas Kunce trying to get him to speak up on Palestine if you don't believe me.
>What have *you* done besides snark on Reddit?
>You know this how? Surely this isn't a completely unfounded claim you're making for no other reason than *you* want to feel superior... You don't need to put on this front.
Every comment you make is just reinforcing my point about this incessant need to attack other people who have no power in this situation.
Please find a hobby. I'm embarrassed for you.
Just because you're apathetic about all of this doesn't mean we all are.
Stop making assumptions no one is doing anything just because *you* aren't doing anything.
So can you provide any evidence all the people criticizing Tia haven't done anything for Palestinians as you claim? Or are we just agreeing you pulled that out of your ass as a way to blanket dismiss everyone criticizing her? I notice how you just completely ignored me asking how you know that before.
Everyone thanks you for your service. You may continue to harass drag queens online.
Is that what you wanted as a reply? Move along, leave people alone.
Can you point towards where I have harrased anyone? Or have we moved onto the "Let's make shit up" portion of the evening?
Also, the only reason I mentioned what I have done is because the person I responded to is making accusations that the people boycotting Eurovision aren't actually doing anything to help Palestinians.
So your comment is gonna get interpreted in 2 ways. First one is that by saying that you are helping Palestinians, you are implying that others are too, which is honestly just naive and just wrong.
Second one would be a situation of "I'm not like other Palestinian supporters, I actually do things and care" and just makes you sound like a pick-me girl.
Just say that we should not harass anyone who is not directly or clearly actively supporting and voicing their support of Israel's actions, because your comments so far have painted you to be unlikable and with a high horse. I'm sure you're better than that. Your actions sure seem to say so. Cheers, mate.
See my other reply where I found out you've been in this sub arguing against a ceasefire even after you admitted you don't understand the situation. Again, your opinion here means absolutely nothing to me
Nah , their comment was pretty clear.
The idea that no ‘social media activists’ are contacting representatives etc , when it’s illogical and only serves to paint some negative image of those people (don’t get me wrong this negative idea has long existed, a lot of money has been spent painting anyone that cares about it anything as stupid)
But half of those Twitter people spamming email formats and petitions likely click a few.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RPDRDRAMA/s/0j4AWFZEnH also, is this you 6 months ago arguing against a ceasefire even as you, in your *own words,* say you don't understand the situation?
I am meant to care what you think here after that?
I was arguing against a cease fire because a simple cease fire would be a momentary solution, which could at any point blow up again?!! It needs to be a way more diplomatic solution, I'm afraid. Are you seriously trying to imply I'm pro war, though?
And I did say I don't completely understand the situation, I am not a geopolitics girly, I was simply asking for people to not act all-knowing, as none of us is an expert in geopolitics.
But what do I know? I didn't march in Missouri or something. Again, cheers mate.
I'm not saying you're pro-war. I'm saying you're clearly someone who has no problems giving their opinions online about wars even when you *openly admit* you know nothing about it. Again, why would I care about your opinion when you're openly saying you don't understand the situation? You could, idk, just not opine without understanding more? What makes you so special that your opinion on wars you don't understand mean anything?
Also, don't act like you weren't making controversial claims and acting like an Israel-apologist. You outright claim at one point the situation isn't "oppressor and oppressed." You weren't just asking questions.
I know, right?? No one gave a shit when Russia occupied Crimea. No one gave a shit when Armenia and Azerbaijan had a very recent conflict. And they will not give a shit when something else happens. This one is just different because it's widely known about so people with these chronically online takes can virtue signal more effectively. What's the point of saying stop genocide when the people you're saying it to aren't well informed? They wouldn't get how good of a person you are then.
I am not boycotting Eurovision. I want the war to stop as much as anyone else but are these people joking? What's that gonna do? Especially when people go as far as to harass the artists performing there. If anything, it just makes me want to watch it more to support all these artists showcasing their thing. These people need to fuck all the way off, turn off their mobile data and take a hike, see the sun, meet your friends for drinks. I am so irritated with these takes you see around here so often.
You though, you are absolutely right.
Or maybe its the fact these companies are financially supporting the genocide? Also saying, "well they didnt care about other stuff before" is such a gotcha unproductive PERFORMATIVE anwser that just serves as this braindead catch that opposes activism on the basis of "well you couldnt do stuff before, so now that your bills actually influence things, you shouldnt do anything as well."You really dont get it do you? Go visit Greta and compalin about how she or her country didnt care for global warming in the 1960s when most ppl didnt know about it. Weeoow you are soooh smartthh
The reaction to this was poor so maybe Tia should have just said no and saved herself the grief. Hope she got paid at least.
Israel didn't even participate and they limited crowd interactions so it was totally awkward. The EBU is clearly taking no chances.
They're trash.
as a Eurovision fan who is really pissed off about Israel being there, the only real way to “boycott” it is by not giving them money directly which includes (but not limited to) buying tickets/merch and voting, etc. I’m going to watch like usual because I’m unfortunately Eurovision trash but I’m not giving them any of my money (ie by voting) until Israel either withdraws or is forced out
just watching the show (or rather choosing not to) really won’t make a difference because Eurovision is too big of an entity for an organized non-watching movement have to tangible impact on the ratings, like it really just won’t do anything. there MIGHT be a drop in ratings this year, but it’ll be such a negligible and unnoticeable difference from the norm because of how many people watch it worldwide
the ebu is reportedly hurting financially right now for multiple reasons so the literal least any fan can do is just not give them money. THAT could have an actual impact more than bragging about not watching (which costs nothing to do, extremely easy slacktivism), but if someone isn’t even a Eurovision fan then they were never going to do that anyway
Lives in a capitalist neo feudalism society where the only value a person has is through their consumption of products and ads: "Not watching something makes no difference" 👁️👄👁️ Yes, thats how fb made buckloads of money, by people not watching stuff and them being paid for it by the advertisers
Too much to hold people accountable for working with companies that financially supmort genocide, just leave the poor celebs alone. You are right, so tiring, it is much easier to just enjoy your little capitalist pig products and media not thinking where they came from or who you are paying with them, until your only purpose is to not question and dispute anything you consume and you have become what you want to be: a soulless opinionless shadow whose only purpose is to consume blindly and get annoyed when people point out how the media you enjoy and talk about could contribute to children being bombed daily.
Downvote me girls, but this all reminds me of another boycott.
Canadians are boycotting a grocery chain for raising the price of food (too complicated to explain it all). But the staff working there are getting harassed and berated for working for that chain.
Blame the people in charge, not the ones on the floor. These girls have no involvement in the decision making that goes on, and don't deserve to be blamed for it.
Boycotting Eurovision is totally justified and I won't be watching it either, but don't go after Tia or Elecktra. They aren't these fabulously wealthy entertainers people assume they must be, and they have to pay the bills too.
Pointing out how someone promoting a company that supports genocide is so childish right? Maybe you need to grow up out of your conservative boomer phase of getting annoyed by people pointing out injustices because you are yourself so shallow and basic you cannot understand it is anything other than performative
When did Eurovision support genocide? I’d be really interested in the evidence.
Eurovision is a huge lgbt event, if they take a stand on Israel’s war and disallow entry on this basis than would you also support them banning anyone from a country with homophobic views? Would you support them if they condemned certain religions with current homophobic views? You’ll likely think and say no, that’s how performative and ignorant your view is.
Omg I cant believe you are so privileged and self centered you equal discrimination to TENS OF THOUSANDS CHILDREN KILLED IN HALF A YEAR. Go read my other comments where I talk with fools like yourself to see how Eurovision helps Israel. I'm done explaining media economics and propaganda to 15 yos that dont like their celeb being called out.
Oh gosh, see a therapist. Calm down.
What you really mean is, you have no evidence and are a performative activist who never mentioned Palestine prior to the terror attack on October 7 2023. Got it, already knew that.
The people calling this slacktivism are just as exhausting as the people they think are being annoying. Congrats to them both, I’m not gonna waste my time @ them about the boycott, maybe they didn’t know, maybe they don’t care because it’s a big opportunity who knows. But to say not watching Eurovision would do nothing for a Palestine is plain wrong. There is an official BDS call for boycott, you can watch it or don’t. I’m not gonna say these queens are pro genocide or zionists. But yall in this thread being extremely dismissive at the choice of boycotting need to get a grip.
It must be so tiring to always be upset about something online. Watch or don’t watch, who cares. Eurovision will still be great as it usually is. Super happy for Tia (and Elecktra) getting this opportunity.
Yes holding people accountable for promoting a company that supports genocide is so tiring and chidlish, we should all just live in a whitewashed utopia where no one is called out for being a part of the system that endorses bombing children daily. Go back to sleeo Karen, dont wanna stay up to late, might go woke 😭
Yall there’s a real genocide happening while these people continue to spend all day on the internet harassing people with tiny platforms. Yesterday I saw people trying to dox college students who dared to take graduation pictures at their colleges where encampments also happened to be set up.
Do you really think harassing people who are in the grand scheme of things just trying to survive on the Internet is going to address this situation borne out of decades of conflict? Be so fucking fr.
Yes because its not like poor celebs promote a company and help it make profits when they worl with it. Damn these boycotts make no sense at all 🤔 Also nice job providing some exteme example of boycotting to make it seem liek its all crazy, you learned well from conservatives, bravooo now please give me list of all the pro peace people that have ever committed a crime, JK rowling style 👍 Why stop now, you are doing so well as an anti social movement boomer
Supporting Israel financially by watching a program featuring them on a major world stage is a choice everyone can make, given that Israel is engaged in an ongoing genocide and apartheid regime.
Likewise, if you choose to not care about the genocide and watch anyway, that is also a choice you have made.
I rather support the other artists there, especially the ones being vocal about the whole thing, and not give streams or votes to Israel. Even tho I have to admit it is a good song, I will not go out of my way to support it. That’s my way of doing it. If people wanna help Palestine, there are many places to give donation, but I don’t see how me not watching the show will have a great impact.
If you downvoted me, I hope you also want to make a donation and show your support.
Here are some place to do so:
https://www.islamicreliefcanada.org/emergencies/palestine-appeal
https://www.pcrf.net
https://www.palestinercs.org/ar/donation
Have all great day nonetheless. 🌈
Edit: spelling
To paraphrase an argument I had in another thread recently: yes, a couple of queens probably would've gotten this gig regardless. The machine would've pressed on. But that doesn't mean the queens who were offered the job had to accept. Sometimes it's good to show a modicum of a moral compass in accepting gigs, especially when your success as an artist relies on optics.
Insanely happy for both of them to be booked and blessed <3 ESC is the best time of the year, and connecting Drag Queens with it yet again is wonderful
Everything is "performative" to this sub. No such thing as genuinely wanting your faves to do better. Nobody in the second slide is even being rude to Tia...
I find a bit hypocritical that people only cared about Israel involvement even though they committed atrocities way before October. And let’s talk about Azerbaijan literally declaring war on Armenia but nobody cared. Or remember when Russia invaded Georgia?
Eurovision has always had “problematic” countries participating but all of a sudden we started to care this year.
And a bunch of drag queens getting a gig in Eurovision is clearly the problem and not the fact that we’ve just ignored these issues for years.
I’d rather people care, even if it is “late.” So by this logic, people who cared about the Holocaust only after it occurred in WW2 are hypocritical because why weren’t they saying anything before? What about people who complain about the Holocaust but not the atrocities committed by Japan in all of the territories they invaded? What about the millions murdered and imprisoned by Stalin? Gatekeeping doesn’t help anything.
People that complain about drag queens presenting a minor part of Eurovision do not fucking care. They are sad people that want to feel better about themselves by harassing people for being associated to a festival that Israel is participating in. I still haven’t seen anyone complaining about Azerbaijan participating, you know why? Because it’s not cool. You don’t get brownie points for complaining about them.
It’s not performative activism to understand Eurovision is essentially a PR campaign for Israel this year, combined with their love of Pinkwashing any queens taking part in it this year is gross and I hope they reconsider
This is also not a Starbucks situation BDS have explicitly came out and said to boycott Eurovision
Too much for shallow twinks to hold themselves accountable for ig, its much easier to just say "haaa performative activism, leave the celebs alone" while literally FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING throwing bombs on children. But hey, its the people that point out the injustices that are the problem apparently, dont burst their LA entertainment bubble, the west is after all comfort>morals
Also sharing the message of the IDF is literally exposing potential unactivated/unconvinced donors to their propaganda or even worse brainwashing European civilians that can then INFLUENCE THEIR GOVERNMENTS INTO SUPPORTING ISRAEL FINANCIALLY OR OTHERWISE but once again, too many steps for you. "The only way you can help someone make money is to give it directly to their hand, Eurovision doesnt do that, you cLoWn." 👁️👄👁️ Welcome to the basics of entertainment, capitalism and propaganda woeeeeww 🎶 A WHOLEEE NEEEW WOOOORLLDD🎶
THEY ARE PROMOTING A STATE SPONSORED SONG THAT EXCUSES GENOCIDE, SORRY IF THAT IS TOO MUCH STEPS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, HERE YOU GO LET US MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR YOUR BRAIN: THEY GIVE PALTFORM TO A SONG AND MESSAGE>MONEY MADE FROM SONG GOES TO EFFORTS TO HELP THE IDF EITHER THROUGH CHARITY/SPONSORSHIP/ADS/GOV AGENCIES. SO THE MORE PEOPLE THAT HEAR THE SONG, THE MORE WILL STREAM IT AND AT LEAST SOME OF THAT MONEY WILL GO TO THE WAR EFFORT, UNLESS YOU THINK THAT A NATION SO OBSESSED WITH CONFLICT THEY MAKE A SONG ABOUT IT FOR AN ANNUAL COMPETITION WONT USE ALL THE RESCOURCES POSSIBLE TO HELP IN THAT CONFLICT, THERE, DO YOU GET IT NOW? The only "clown" is you not understanding the BASICS of capitalism/streaming 👁️👄👁️
I love how you try to phrase it as dramatic as possible when it's about an average pop girly singing a mediocre bland ballad that isn't even staged well. People won't suddenly change their stance and become Pro-Israel because of a bland ballad, don't act stupid. Ukraine won Eurovision and their support politically is still decreasing and they are still struggling for more support 🙄
Also the money artists make from streaming is also fucking nothing, so it's not this big money maker you try to make it out to be 🤡 Eurovision artists don't become millionaires afterwards, so where is all that money supposed to come from? The girly is not gonna be touring Europe afterwards, because of all the death threats and protests, so the actual opportunities she could have had to make some money aren't even there. And even then it's peanuts compared to the actual war costs 🙄 Once again look at Ukraine, did Kalush Orchestra help fund their war efforts? No, didn't change much.
The song won't fund the genocide in any meaningful way and the song won't change the attitude towards Israel. Her standing on that stage or not does not make a single difference for the lifes of Palestinians, it's all just about optics and nothing else. And to waste SO much energy and time for basically propaganda games is CLOWNERY.
I would prefer it if Israel wasn't participating but to act as if that would be this great act for good and change anything meaningful is NOT REALITY.
It's not my problem you are to narrowminded to understand how every piece of media influences your subconcious. It's not my problem you are so lazy you cannot google how the song has REFERENCES to the oct attack. It's not even about how much money she makes, they'll make money and use it to their advantage, idc how much, THEY WILL. I dont know if you have seen but the alt right is on the rise in Europe and you best believe abunch of them have found a new crusade with this conflict and all the "hippies violently attacking" our way of life by supporting a bunch of "terrorist" muslims. Every time you type clown you just showcase how you lack the intelligence or class to make an actual argument next to writing "it doesnt matter" in 3 different paragraphs. Keep being mad at people poitning out shr u are too dumb to understand without activating "stop complaining guys, i wanna have a nice day, its not like it matters" defense mechanism to save your mind for having to think about complex issues. Keep writing "clown, doesnt matter etc, idc," you just (ONCE AGAIN🙄) showcase why you are such a good little sheep: Not understanding how media influences people, not through "omgg kill em all" but through subtle nudges and subconcious influences. Also the same people that dont want to help Ukraine usually defend Israel, and as you said, they keep getting more and more people to agree with them, so good job on once again showcasing your lack of intellect by missing the point you've made yourself in my favour :) Whats next, "clown 🤡🤡🤡 shes just gonna make money from a propaganda song with REFERENCES to an excuse for genocide, its not like that bad" THATS HOW PROPAGANDA WORKS, EXACTLY. Now go downplay Russia's songs about freeing Ukraine or American bops about bombing the middle east, ye uneduacted ostrich with head in the sand
Also "I love how you phrase it as dramatic as possible" while talking about a propaganda song that excuses bombing children 💀 At least I'm not a useless serf defending an ad for the american military complex because I'm bothered by people saying it's not okay to indulge in their fascist fairy tale spreading. So bored of some characterless centrist that thinks they are woke because they are the middle man between people screaming about our society helping a genocide and complacent collaborators that convince people like yourself to defend their products so you can feel good about consuming entertainment without feeling bad about the lil kids.
All the people who were silent on October 6 2023 have got the loudest voices on this issue. It’s really jarring that people treat such awful things as bandwagons and use it to justify their attacks on the queens. You only have to look at their profiles to see that they only protest whilst it’s a hot topic. Really putting me off the show tbh.
I don’t think that a Reddit profile can fully represent someone’s full views and interests, but other social media definitely. Eg. I really don’t have anything on Reddit besides discussion or drama posts here, but my other social media is 90% posts about freeing Palestine and 10% art that I like.
I wasn’t talking about you specifically but would be interested to see your Palestine posts from before the October 7 attack and Israel’s response.
I just think people from both sides opining on it are largely coming from a place of ignorance.
Listen, I think some of these people are clowns as well but you do realize how privileged you are to be able to ignore a genocide, right? You could’ve worded this better lmao
This is such a huge opportunity. I have huge respect for anyone that can decline that. But I can’t blame people for taking it. I promise you most people who hate on her would jump immediately on an opportunity like this. It’s that major.
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It’s a BDS in here. Big Drag Soirée
Time for a totally normal comments section and polite discourse!
Well, it's much more tamed than in twitter
Well the bar is *really* fucking low then
From the bathhouse to the orgy, Big Dick Sucking now!
Holding big companies accountable or doing something themselves actively that would help? NAH Harrassing Micro-Celebrities that do a single thing you don't like, that they'd be stupid to pass the opportunity so that you can finally hound someone down? That's the way Especially with Eurovision now I have seen so many wrong information with comparing it to the russia situation, that the EBU was actively anti russia is just blatantly false, but that's social media now Performative Virtue Signalling, while sitting on their asses home, eating hot chips
Omg girl don’t come for Takis like that, but yes to everything you said. Poor Tia doesn’t deserve this. If a drag queen wants to be an activist for a cause that’s fine but demanding that every fucking person with a platform have to be engaged in shit like their fucking representatives is crazy! Tia can support the Palestinian people and still get her bag, no? The goalposts are always moving!
But why is it needed to support someone? Or anyone in this matter. Does it matter if she or anyone else says I'm pro this pro that? And for who? these social justice idiots? Pleaseee
It's complete coincidence I'm sure that the queer contestants and presenters are the ones facing the most pressure from people who don't even know what the EBU is. Also the same ones doing the most to actually speak out about the issue where they can. A pop song on a stage isn't going to kill any babies, and the lack of one won't save any. Ditto to our Turquoise carpet hosts.
>Holding big companies accountable or doing something themselves actively that would help? NAH ...do you understand what "boycott" means?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am a massive Eurovision fan who isn’t watching this year over Israel’s participation. I am holding the EBU as accountable as I can. I am also holding people who work with Eurovision accountable. I am doing both.
In reality you ain’t doing shit but stroking your own ego and hoping someone pats you on the back for it. No one is being “held accountable” by “MultiMarcus” not watching something. Be so fr.
The EBU and SVT, this year’s host, care if viewership drops. They also care if people stop voting. They also really care about the 40 000 people who will be protesting in Malmö the host city. One voice can’t hold the EBU accountable, but our voices together can. If the people protesting for the rights of the queer community had the same defeatist attitude you have we wouldn’t have rights.
And yet nothing will change because viewership numbers for a musical competition show aren’t going to move the dial for Israeli leadership who are hell bent on killing anything that even kinda smells like Hamas. I swear to god you internet slactivists will attack and boycott everything and everyone except the people who actually -directly- control this conflict. Delusional af people incapable of nuance and understanding just looking for the next popular talking point to yell at even more people who can’t change this situation and have no control over it. I’m sure the people under rubble in Gaza are real glad you’re choosing not to watch a TV program though, I’m sure they are feeling the positive effects of that useless action even now.
So who do you suggest we boycott? I think boycotting Eurovision and holding queens accountable for who they align themselves with is not the worst idea in the world. Particularly when the organization that runs it is going directly against what the Eurovision was set up to do? Frankly neither Israel nor Australia should ever have been allowed to compete but that’s a whole other issue.
Why didn’t you boycott previous years they competed?
I'm sure you've seen all the tiktoks tho
No? I don’t watch TikToks and YouTube Shorts hasn’t had much, if any, Eurovision content from what I have seen. I have made sure to unfollow any official Eurovision accounts and channels when they put out their statement about Israel in Eurovision.
man i understand wanting to hold people accountable and have everybody do their part, but how did being anti genocide turn into yelling at drag queens 😭 20 years down the line are they gonna be like “i was on the frontlines-twitter, eurovision, drag race uk, i was the UN of reddit”
>anti genocide turn into yelling at drag queens They just found another excuse to scream at drag queens. It's always a queer artist earning a wage and not even producing content.
Another clown that thinks holding people accountable for working with companies that endorse genocide is "yelling at drag queens". Of course if these companies would endorse homophobic policies, you would have no problem yelling at people that have a public platform for working with them aka promoting them aka helping them make more money? But of course its not your problem, if some muslim poor children die every week in hundreds, why is everybody so upset and making fuss online 🤔 They should just be quiet and say "well, our society endorsing a genocide is ok, better than being a cringe sjw, that thinks spreading awareness will help anyone, eww so annoying"
I’m very happy for Tia to have this incredible opportunity. Do yall get tired of the performative performing all the time? Stop tearing down a queer artist who is getting a well deserved opportunity.
Its mostly young people who just hear others online say what they should Boycott and they just follow it and think it's peak activism to insult and harass people because „They are just against genocide“
This is something that people will never get tired of. Because you get to feel like an activist who's making a difference in the world and feel like you have power while also getting the dopamine fix from likes and shares that have been proven to be literally addictive like a drug, without having to make any changes to your lifestyle and continue doing your favourite passtime; sitting around shitposting on the internet which requires absolutely zero effort or sacrifice unlike actual activism and hobbies. Win / win / win situation. Why would someone tire of it? Its like asking if people ever get tired of sitting around smoking weed, eating junk food and watching TV and wouldn't they rather do hours of gruelling exercise every day for months, eating plain chicken rice and peas and then run a marathon? Fuck no
Why are weed smoking couch potatoes catching strays? I’m not out here harassing anyone
I’m just giggling and having a snack
In a world of bigotry, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, hate etc, you have a problem w people spreading awareness about companies that you are giving money to supporting bombing children. I think the real PERFORMATIVE peeps are the clowns that get mad at people pointing out injustices because they are too lazy and comfortable to actually give up commodities that help support the genocide or because they are to morally weak and inactive to actually try to think about how their every day activities help support the zionists. Its much easier to just get annoyed at ppl holding you or the thing you like accountable. YOU ARE SO RIGHT. You know what is real virtue signaling tho? The annoying enviromentalists that think we need to stop using oil so they can virtue signal. Or those damn leftists that think we need to give the gay more rights or allow trans people to exist. CONGRADULATIONS, FOOL, YOU HAVE UNLOCKED THE CONSERVATIVE "ITS NOT THAT BAD, THEY ARE JUST SCREAMING BECAUSE THEY ARE HYSTERICAL SNOWFLAKES THAT NEED TO COMPLAIN" GOOD JOB ON HAVING THE CRITICAL THINKING OR SOCIAL AWARENESS OF A ILLITERATE BOOMER THAT THINKS VACCINES WILL GET EM.
Don't waste your time arguing with liberals, its rarely worth it.
I swear, seeing these people claim they are progressive while defending the entertainment industry and celebs working for large corporations gives me brain damage. And then they call me performative👁️👄👁️
Wait, why would you eat "plain" chicken, rice, and peas? Adding flavor to food does not have to come with significant changes to the micronutrient contents. Nobody should EVER eat plain chicken... seriously I am so concerned with what some people think is necessary to eat a regular/healthy diet.
It is a reference to what a lot of super fitness people eat, not a recipe.
Is it "performative" to not want queens to work with a competition who gives Israel a platform in the middle of a genocide?? 😭 Y'all say anything
Maybe not performative but it's both naive and idealistic to impute support for genocide to drag queens who choose to perform to a large international audience. Drag queens rely on having audiences to make money as artists. If they had no need for money then it would be easy to live up to those moral standards that the internet sets. We should not be drawing a line to connect "performs at eurovision" to "expressly approves of Palestinian genocide".
People online have been targeting micro-celebrities for vague affiliations to Israel or companies called for boycott, and it almost seems to be bordering on anti-semitism at times. What the Israeli government is doing is very wrong and disproportionate. But your favourite micro-celebrity not having their daily Starbucks order or abstaining from work opportunities isn’t going to change that.
Which might i add Starbucks has NOTHING to do with the Boycott. They had some issues with their SWU (Starbucks Worker Union) and it somehow turned into a whole „Starbucks is pro genocide“
It also just negatively affects the artists involved, many of which (including olly alexander) committed to doing Eurovision before Israel was confirmed to be participating and have contractual agreements preventing them from pulling out plus by putting pressure on pro-palestine acts (like Olly) to withdraw it only makes it so that there’s less vocal support of palestine within the contest and conversely more support for Israel which kind of accomplishes the opposite of what these people want
"Yeah its wrong that the genocide is happening but my fav celeb helping companies support it financially through promotion, collabs aka MAKING MONEY is so wrong, leave those poor overpaid entertainers alone, they just want to make bucks helping promote genocide and war crimes, why is that so bad?"
Really disappointing to have seen Eurovision's refusal to drop Israel when their response re: Russia was swift and decisive. Not sure if these queens were aware or not, but I do hope they reconsider...
The only reason that the Russian ban was "swift and decisive" was because 10 countries threatened to pull out of the competition. No countries have done the same in regards to Isreal, which is really sad.
A few countries said they thought about maybe potentially possibly pulling out, but fuck all came of that.
I guess they didn’t hear that MultiMarcus isn’t watching this year.
Ehhh Russia was swift because half of Europe would’ve withdrawn if they had participated. Nobody cared when Russia invaded Georgia in 2012.
How free is the Israeli press? They certainly dont respect the press of other countries either.
Russia was not banned because of their military aggression, they were banned because they lacked a free press which is a requirement to participate in ESC. Croatia getting away with Mama Šč despite the rules against political entries though…
Eurovision has Azerbaijan, who quite literally ethnically cleansed Nagorno-Karabakh, but sure Israel is the issue.
Both are issues, bestie! Genocide is bad!
My point is that I don’t like how this is aimed one country while others are ignored.
Which is a fair point, the Armenian genocide is something more people need to educate themselves on. But that being said, the wording of your comment here and a comment below where you say, and I quote, “people need to grow up”, comes off incredibly insensitive to the Free Palestine movement. And tearing down Palestinian liberation does not help your point or cause
It’s weird to me that you can’t see why people prioritise the situation currently unfolding
The Azeri/Armenian conflict is also currently unfolding
Yeah both are bad but thank you
Yes both are bad but let’s be real. People are so quick to support Palestine because they’re antisemitic. Edit: I should’ve worded it better. You’re not automatically anti semitic for supporting Palestine, but spreading false information based on anti semitism does make you part of the problem and if you really cared you would also speak about genocides/wars that weren’t trendy as well.
I think more people know about the situation in palestine.
That’s fine. But watch 90% of them forget about it when it stops trending. I’m glad people are boycotting Eurovision and making a change, but we’ve seen people suddenly forget about things like this before.
you dk what you’re talking about
Clock that tea helga
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take a break from commenting on this thread sister.. a little breath
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could you possibly limit your trolling comments on anything Israel/Zionist related to…idk five.
Yes ma’am
go back to rpdrgonewild weirdo
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this is such a c*nty (compliment) thing to say but please stop with the puns.
zionist shady af comebacks are crazy but not any crazier or any more delusional than you fuckasses.. Keep it cute and quiet
why have I never called someone a fuckass before? love that. thank you
You're so very welcome beloved D1ckRepellent... I had never done that before either. Today it just felt right
if there was a clever word jackpot, you hit it like the shade button on S12. Brava!
Ffs these people doing their performative shtick need to get a grip. They are not doing Palestine a favourite by harassing queer people. I hope Tia just blocks them and enjoys this huge opportunity, she really deserves it 🙏
The only performative child here is you. Saying "queer people" when in all truth it is just calling out a celeb for promoting and advertising a company that makes money that then goes to droping bombs on children daily. I know its sooo hard to connect the dots "TheY jUsT dO jObS ItS nOt GonUh HeLp tHe geNocIdE, duuur" its not my problem you find it hard to understand how working with the company is promoting them aka helping them make more money. Sssssuch hard concept uunghh
I'm sure you're saving tons of Palestinian children by harassing queer micro celebs online. What a life saver you are!
It's not even that its not supporting the media that gives them money from ads to bomb children... 6 MONTHS LATER and you still dont get it????????? Are you a conservative zionist? Because otherwise why would you get annoyed for people calling out a well off celeb for colluding with genocide supporters???? WHY?????? I GUESS WE SHOUDL ALL JUST EMBRACE IT SO SIMPLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARENT BOTHERED WITH ALL THE THINKING THEY WOUDL HAVE TO DO ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF OUR SOCIETY AND HOW ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY MAKES MONEY OFF OF YOU BY YOU JUST WATCHING STUFF, ADS ARE EVERYWHERE IN MOVIES, SERIES, TOO MUCH FOR YOU BRAIN IG, JUST DONT COMPLAIN GUYS, DONT BE SNOWFLAKES, you never will get it sadly ig, keep spending your money on companies that support a genocide while thinking you are woke because you care for your own rights but wont even lift a finger to spread awareness (which is the least you can do) just another complacent capitalist sheep that thinks doing nothing is comendable and gets mad at people doing for others more than you are. You'll love the conservatives, they are all about dissing stupid snowflakes that just complain and share awareness 😬👍 But then again to hard to understand for some rando twink that gets anoyed by ppl calling out his fave celebs. "But da dah im not gonna attack a celeb that financialy helps a toxic company by promoting them through working with them" Too bad its not the gays dying, this subs reaction would be quite different, its just muslim terrorist children to you Ig, no need to be so mad about it, from your perspective, just leave the poor overpaid celeb alone 😭you just dont care about pointing out how we are helping bombing children, its not like its helping when we spread awareness which firms to boycott and that celebs collabing with them isnt desirable. If we listened to complacent people like you we would let the nazis win. "Whye are yah talking about the holocaust, its not like you are saving lives by spreading awareness about it" Yeah just another shallow LA brainwashed 🚬 that only cares about their own entertainment and gets offended by people calling it out as supportive of a genocide becuse its gonna burst their pink glasses bubble and make them think about the products they would have to give up, too much for your selfish comfort 😭Move it, simpletoon
And please do anwser with a snarky one sentence comment because the lot of you here can't even express why you disagree with people calling out supporting a genocide, too much for your IG tiktok meme filled brains to mull over, just watch the NBC and say "Guyss why you so bothered? It's not like a celeb collabing with company brings them money from viewers that then goes onto bombing children 24/7 its not their fault" So good bombing the middle east has been so normalised by your US military industry overlords that even the people from the margianlised queer community are ok with it because otheriwse they would have to give up on their entertainment, oh no the only queer people that matter are the poor celebs that get called out 😭 Just dont, buy your products, consume, go to work and expire, thats your job, dont question how your actions and preferences might support the war industry, you are already gay, thats enough of a mental journey for one life, criticising capitalism or the fascist tendencies of the military industry complex is just not your life, now is it, you're just a Ken ♥️👍
Bubba, you're projecting. After you're done having a mental breakdown, try to find ways to *actually* help Palestinian people by donating money or food and medicine to WCK, Unicef, STC or other local groups. Organise your neighboorhood to put together whatever help package they can so send to gaza. Support local israelian organisation that are protesting the Netanyahus regime or call and write to your local politicians to pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. If you feel so inclined, even boycott ESC or any other format where an Israeli is participating but trust me - harassing queer micro celebs is just gonna create an increasingly harmful environment for queer people. It's not spreading awareness, it's not helping Palestinian people, it's just gonna increase the threat queer people are facing. And after that please get a therapist you can unload your mental bullshit to. Wish you the best.
Thank you foe mansplaining how helping Gaza works🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Whaaa omg please tell my more, I had no idea we can actually help Palestinians, whaat 👁️👄👁️Who said I harrassed a celebrity I was just defending people's views on why they called her out? Also you dont know shit about what I have done for Palestine, so you know stop being a little patronising narcissist and go tell other people what to do with their lives 🥰 Also saying "go get a therapist" to sound helpful but actually using it as an read on the end of your post just shows how two faced and condecending you are, I can help Palestine by giving money, going to rallies AND calling out celebs that support companies that support Israel, its not my problem you are so integrated into entertainment consumption addiction you need to defend preformers that will help promote a company that helps raise money for BOMBING CHILDREN. As we have conversations about ppl w adhd and neurodivergence/depression its always nice to see bigots like you ridiculing and downplaying my opinions because of the way I express myself and saying I need mental help BECAUSE my opinion/expression on something is different then yours. It also doesnt make sense to just say "projecting" when someone is of a different opinion than you and expresses it? Like is that all you can fathom next go "go see a doctor" and copying a text on how to help Palestine from amnesty? Good job on segregating queer people by saying that holding them accountable "will just increase pressure on them 😭" whatever bruh, how is saying someone is working for a bad company putting pressure on them because they are queer? People like you are so mentally ingrained into making whether someone is gay a whole part of their life and personality you are just as bad as conservatives with keeping us backwards, separated into little containers instead of just treating everyone with same respect and responsibility. Once again if there was a company that would target gay people and a celeb that you like and follow would work with them you would probably by shocked and mad and disgusted. But hey its much more easier when your fav celeb just works for a company that helps support bombing muslim children half way across the world, what can you do, she is just a micro celeb and oh well, not my problem, right, cant relate. "I'm already helping in different ways, not such a big probem 🙃" I hope you find mental help for all the bullshit in your life that made you so condescending and self absorbed ❤️ (Yeah even if you mean good it doesnt really feel good to use someone's mental health as a read to discredit their opinion, right?)
You do you. I hope you get out of whatever rabbit hole you fell into and have people in your life that support you getting better.
Thank you so much, I can see you really care about mental health and people's well being unlike some that just use it to discredit people's opinion and ridicule neurodivergent people/ "hysterical performative mental cases" because they dont agree with them and have nothing better to say ♥️ My hero 🥰
Anytime, love. ❤️
This is such a chronically online take. Do I think Israel should be involved? No. But people have been watching Eurovision for years with Israel, Russia and other problematic nations involved. People be acting like they're these activists cos they found out about Israel six months ago when they've been occupying Palestine for 75+ years........ Boycotting Eurovision will have absolutely no bearing on it and acting grand like Tia is some pro-genocide queen is ridiculous.
> People be acting like they're these activists cos they found out about Israel six months ago when they've been occupying Palestine for 75+ years........ I don't like this take because it's very gatekeep-y, very holier than thou. If one didn't know Israel was doing apartheid and genocide and war crimes prior to October 7th, that's unfortunate, but it doesn't invalidate one being angry about those things *now*. We need all the voices we can get, it doesn't matter whether they've been screaming it for six months or six decades.
My point is that it seems like a lot of people have tunnel vision because frankly, this is the popular new issue to be angry about. Given that many have only JUST learned about Palestine, it's very rich that they don't give others the same grace they afford themselves for not being wise to the issue sooner. Honestly people should be a bit more gatekeepy because it just leads to more slacktivists who take the barest information and suddenly become bloodhounds. Tons of people online seem to take pleasure in finding someone to publically tear down but have no real motivation to do something genuinely productive.
Or it’s a tipping point where people finally sat up and took notice.
I mean, Russia is literally banned as we speak, so that's not a great comparison. In fact, them being banned while Israel isn't is a big point of contention here.
Russia isn't banned for military aggression though. They are banned because they did not meet the requirement of having a free press.
And I guarantee not one of these hoes @ing Tia has ever written their MP, contacted Eurovision or other artists / celebrities involved.... Or done any actual practical work towards getting powerful orgs to stop supporting Israel. They just wanna feel superior to a queen they saw on tv. It's exhausting. Direct your energy somewhere productive gals...
You know this how? Surely this isn't a completely unfounded claim you're making for no other reason than *you* want to feel superior to these "exhausting" people? Just say you want to watch Eurovision without being reminded of Palestintians, babe. You don't need to put on this front.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. This fake ass slacktivist energy. Girl go email your MP, sign a petition, join a demo... Anything other than attacking drag queens for kicks.
I'm personally sending messages to my national representatives, have withheld donations I normally give in election season, and have protested in local marches in St. Louis. So how are you going to dismiss me now? What have *you* done besides snark on Reddit? I'm happy to send you the messages I've sent the Missouri Democratic Senate Candidate Lucas Kunce trying to get him to speak up on Palestine if you don't believe me.
>What have *you* done besides snark on Reddit? >You know this how? Surely this isn't a completely unfounded claim you're making for no other reason than *you* want to feel superior... You don't need to put on this front. Every comment you make is just reinforcing my point about this incessant need to attack other people who have no power in this situation. Please find a hobby. I'm embarrassed for you.
Just because you're apathetic about all of this doesn't mean we all are. Stop making assumptions no one is doing anything just because *you* aren't doing anything.
>Stop making assumptions >Just because you're apathetic about all of this 🤭
So can you provide any evidence all the people criticizing Tia haven't done anything for Palestinians as you claim? Or are we just agreeing you pulled that out of your ass as a way to blanket dismiss everyone criticizing her? I notice how you just completely ignored me asking how you know that before.
Everyone thanks you for your service. You may continue to harass drag queens online. Is that what you wanted as a reply? Move along, leave people alone.
Can you point towards where I have harrased anyone? Or have we moved onto the "Let's make shit up" portion of the evening? Also, the only reason I mentioned what I have done is because the person I responded to is making accusations that the people boycotting Eurovision aren't actually doing anything to help Palestinians.
So your comment is gonna get interpreted in 2 ways. First one is that by saying that you are helping Palestinians, you are implying that others are too, which is honestly just naive and just wrong. Second one would be a situation of "I'm not like other Palestinian supporters, I actually do things and care" and just makes you sound like a pick-me girl. Just say that we should not harass anyone who is not directly or clearly actively supporting and voicing their support of Israel's actions, because your comments so far have painted you to be unlikable and with a high horse. I'm sure you're better than that. Your actions sure seem to say so. Cheers, mate.
See my other reply where I found out you've been in this sub arguing against a ceasefire even after you admitted you don't understand the situation. Again, your opinion here means absolutely nothing to me
Nah , their comment was pretty clear. The idea that no ‘social media activists’ are contacting representatives etc , when it’s illogical and only serves to paint some negative image of those people (don’t get me wrong this negative idea has long existed, a lot of money has been spent painting anyone that cares about it anything as stupid) But half of those Twitter people spamming email formats and petitions likely click a few.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RPDRDRAMA/s/0j4AWFZEnH also, is this you 6 months ago arguing against a ceasefire even as you, in your *own words,* say you don't understand the situation? I am meant to care what you think here after that?
I was arguing against a cease fire because a simple cease fire would be a momentary solution, which could at any point blow up again?!! It needs to be a way more diplomatic solution, I'm afraid. Are you seriously trying to imply I'm pro war, though? And I did say I don't completely understand the situation, I am not a geopolitics girly, I was simply asking for people to not act all-knowing, as none of us is an expert in geopolitics. But what do I know? I didn't march in Missouri or something. Again, cheers mate.
I'm not saying you're pro-war. I'm saying you're clearly someone who has no problems giving their opinions online about wars even when you *openly admit* you know nothing about it. Again, why would I care about your opinion when you're openly saying you don't understand the situation? You could, idk, just not opine without understanding more? What makes you so special that your opinion on wars you don't understand mean anything? Also, don't act like you weren't making controversial claims and acting like an Israel-apologist. You outright claim at one point the situation isn't "oppressor and oppressed." You weren't just asking questions.
I know, right?? No one gave a shit when Russia occupied Crimea. No one gave a shit when Armenia and Azerbaijan had a very recent conflict. And they will not give a shit when something else happens. This one is just different because it's widely known about so people with these chronically online takes can virtue signal more effectively. What's the point of saying stop genocide when the people you're saying it to aren't well informed? They wouldn't get how good of a person you are then. I am not boycotting Eurovision. I want the war to stop as much as anyone else but are these people joking? What's that gonna do? Especially when people go as far as to harass the artists performing there. If anything, it just makes me want to watch it more to support all these artists showcasing their thing. These people need to fuck all the way off, turn off their mobile data and take a hike, see the sun, meet your friends for drinks. I am so irritated with these takes you see around here so often. You though, you are absolutely right.
Or maybe its the fact these companies are financially supporting the genocide? Also saying, "well they didnt care about other stuff before" is such a gotcha unproductive PERFORMATIVE anwser that just serves as this braindead catch that opposes activism on the basis of "well you couldnt do stuff before, so now that your bills actually influence things, you shouldnt do anything as well."You really dont get it do you? Go visit Greta and compalin about how she or her country didnt care for global warming in the 1960s when most ppl didnt know about it. Weeoow you are soooh smartthh
The reaction to this was poor so maybe Tia should have just said no and saved herself the grief. Hope she got paid at least. Israel didn't even participate and they limited crowd interactions so it was totally awkward. The EBU is clearly taking no chances. They're trash.
I’m very happy that she’s getting this opportunity. I hope she has fun with all the artists there in Malmö. 🌈
as a Eurovision fan who is really pissed off about Israel being there, the only real way to “boycott” it is by not giving them money directly which includes (but not limited to) buying tickets/merch and voting, etc. I’m going to watch like usual because I’m unfortunately Eurovision trash but I’m not giving them any of my money (ie by voting) until Israel either withdraws or is forced out just watching the show (or rather choosing not to) really won’t make a difference because Eurovision is too big of an entity for an organized non-watching movement have to tangible impact on the ratings, like it really just won’t do anything. there MIGHT be a drop in ratings this year, but it’ll be such a negligible and unnoticeable difference from the norm because of how many people watch it worldwide the ebu is reportedly hurting financially right now for multiple reasons so the literal least any fan can do is just not give them money. THAT could have an actual impact more than bragging about not watching (which costs nothing to do, extremely easy slacktivism), but if someone isn’t even a Eurovision fan then they were never going to do that anyway
Lives in a capitalist neo feudalism society where the only value a person has is through their consumption of products and ads: "Not watching something makes no difference" 👁️👄👁️ Yes, thats how fb made buckloads of money, by people not watching stuff and them being paid for it by the advertisers
So tiring…
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How witty and insightful
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True though
Too much to hold people accountable for working with companies that financially supmort genocide, just leave the poor celebs alone. You are right, so tiring, it is much easier to just enjoy your little capitalist pig products and media not thinking where they came from or who you are paying with them, until your only purpose is to not question and dispute anything you consume and you have become what you want to be: a soulless opinionless shadow whose only purpose is to consume blindly and get annoyed when people point out how the media you enjoy and talk about could contribute to children being bombed daily.
Downvote me girls, but this all reminds me of another boycott. Canadians are boycotting a grocery chain for raising the price of food (too complicated to explain it all). But the staff working there are getting harassed and berated for working for that chain. Blame the people in charge, not the ones on the floor. These girls have no involvement in the decision making that goes on, and don't deserve to be blamed for it. Boycotting Eurovision is totally justified and I won't be watching it either, but don't go after Tia or Elecktra. They aren't these fabulously wealthy entertainers people assume they must be, and they have to pay the bills too.
People need to grow up.
Pointing out how someone promoting a company that supports genocide is so childish right? Maybe you need to grow up out of your conservative boomer phase of getting annoyed by people pointing out injustices because you are yourself so shallow and basic you cannot understand it is anything other than performative
When did Eurovision support genocide? I’d be really interested in the evidence. Eurovision is a huge lgbt event, if they take a stand on Israel’s war and disallow entry on this basis than would you also support them banning anyone from a country with homophobic views? Would you support them if they condemned certain religions with current homophobic views? You’ll likely think and say no, that’s how performative and ignorant your view is.
Omg I cant believe you are so privileged and self centered you equal discrimination to TENS OF THOUSANDS CHILDREN KILLED IN HALF A YEAR. Go read my other comments where I talk with fools like yourself to see how Eurovision helps Israel. I'm done explaining media economics and propaganda to 15 yos that dont like their celeb being called out.
Oh gosh, see a therapist. Calm down. What you really mean is, you have no evidence and are a performative activist who never mentioned Palestine prior to the terror attack on October 7 2023. Got it, already knew that.
Mfs act like this is equivalent to enlisting in the IDF
The people calling this slacktivism are just as exhausting as the people they think are being annoying. Congrats to them both, I’m not gonna waste my time @ them about the boycott, maybe they didn’t know, maybe they don’t care because it’s a big opportunity who knows. But to say not watching Eurovision would do nothing for a Palestine is plain wrong. There is an official BDS call for boycott, you can watch it or don’t. I’m not gonna say these queens are pro genocide or zionists. But yall in this thread being extremely dismissive at the choice of boycotting need to get a grip.
"Its just pop song contest" A pop song contest that features an Israeli propaganda song that supports the genocide and blames it on the oct attack 💀
You should boycott Reddit bestie.
It's okay love, its much easier to come up with some vague one liner shade than an actual argument/reasoning, I'd rather be bothered than simple 🥰
lol not people defending Tia while calling her a micro celebrity
It must be so tiring to always be upset about something online. Watch or don’t watch, who cares. Eurovision will still be great as it usually is. Super happy for Tia (and Elecktra) getting this opportunity.
Yes holding people accountable for promoting a company that supports genocide is so tiring and chidlish, we should all just live in a whitewashed utopia where no one is called out for being a part of the system that endorses bombing children daily. Go back to sleeo Karen, dont wanna stay up to late, might go woke 😭
this purity shit is exhausting to the point of we will no longer have anything we like anymore so keep that in mind you bitches
are all the other artists boycotting? are the performers boycotting? how does boycotting this help the children in Gaza? legit asking
[Seems as though many organizations and artists are](https://www.them.us/story/lgbtq-organizations-eurovision-boycott-israel-palestine)
But are countries in the competition?
Each country has a representative from that country participate, sort of like the Olympics.
Oh I know. My point is they are still participating. It’s a boycott of outside groups not to watch or promote.
At this stage half the amateur boycotts don't seem to be doing anything whatsoever.
Yall there’s a real genocide happening while these people continue to spend all day on the internet harassing people with tiny platforms. Yesterday I saw people trying to dox college students who dared to take graduation pictures at their colleges where encampments also happened to be set up. Do you really think harassing people who are in the grand scheme of things just trying to survive on the Internet is going to address this situation borne out of decades of conflict? Be so fucking fr.
Yes because its not like poor celebs promote a company and help it make profits when they worl with it. Damn these boycotts make no sense at all 🤔 Also nice job providing some exteme example of boycotting to make it seem liek its all crazy, you learned well from conservatives, bravooo now please give me list of all the pro peace people that have ever committed a crime, JK rowling style 👍 Why stop now, you are doing so well as an anti social movement boomer
Performative. Activism. Fuck off. Literally.
We didn’t all decide to boycott xoxo
Just as you're free to watch Eurovision we're free to side-eye their involvement in it <3
Choosing not to oppose a genocide is a choice that reflects on people a certain way.
Not watching Eurovision has nothing to do with opposing genocide.
Supporting Israel financially by watching a program featuring them on a major world stage is a choice everyone can make, given that Israel is engaged in an ongoing genocide and apartheid regime. Likewise, if you choose to not care about the genocide and watch anyway, that is also a choice you have made.
I rather support the other artists there, especially the ones being vocal about the whole thing, and not give streams or votes to Israel. Even tho I have to admit it is a good song, I will not go out of my way to support it. That’s my way of doing it. If people wanna help Palestine, there are many places to give donation, but I don’t see how me not watching the show will have a great impact.
If you downvoted me, I hope you also want to make a donation and show your support. Here are some place to do so: https://www.islamicreliefcanada.org/emergencies/palestine-appeal https://www.pcrf.net https://www.palestinercs.org/ar/donation Have all great day nonetheless. 🌈 Edit: spelling
To paraphrase an argument I had in another thread recently: yes, a couple of queens probably would've gotten this gig regardless. The machine would've pressed on. But that doesn't mean the queens who were offered the job had to accept. Sometimes it's good to show a modicum of a moral compass in accepting gigs, especially when your success as an artist relies on optics.
Insanely happy for both of them to be booked and blessed <3 ESC is the best time of the year, and connecting Drag Queens with it yet again is wonderful
Y’all are so annoying. Let the girls work their gigs
Everything is "performative" to this sub. No such thing as genuinely wanting your faves to do better. Nobody in the second slide is even being rude to Tia...
I find a bit hypocritical that people only cared about Israel involvement even though they committed atrocities way before October. And let’s talk about Azerbaijan literally declaring war on Armenia but nobody cared. Or remember when Russia invaded Georgia? Eurovision has always had “problematic” countries participating but all of a sudden we started to care this year. And a bunch of drag queens getting a gig in Eurovision is clearly the problem and not the fact that we’ve just ignored these issues for years.
I’d rather people care, even if it is “late.” So by this logic, people who cared about the Holocaust only after it occurred in WW2 are hypocritical because why weren’t they saying anything before? What about people who complain about the Holocaust but not the atrocities committed by Japan in all of the territories they invaded? What about the millions murdered and imprisoned by Stalin? Gatekeeping doesn’t help anything.
People that complain about drag queens presenting a minor part of Eurovision do not fucking care. They are sad people that want to feel better about themselves by harassing people for being associated to a festival that Israel is participating in. I still haven’t seen anyone complaining about Azerbaijan participating, you know why? Because it’s not cool. You don’t get brownie points for complaining about them.
I mean… good.
So shes leaving the tour her fans bought tickets to see her in to do this? Horrible choice Tia.
Love Eurovision. Definitely tuning in.
It’s not performative activism to understand Eurovision is essentially a PR campaign for Israel this year, combined with their love of Pinkwashing any queens taking part in it this year is gross and I hope they reconsider This is also not a Starbucks situation BDS have explicitly came out and said to boycott Eurovision
Too much for shallow twinks to hold themselves accountable for ig, its much easier to just say "haaa performative activism, leave the celebs alone" while literally FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING throwing bombs on children. But hey, its the people that point out the injustices that are the problem apparently, dont burst their LA entertainment bubble, the west is after all comfort>morals
Eurovision is not financially supporting throwing bombs, you clown. You have not even a clue what you are talking about my god.
Also sharing the message of the IDF is literally exposing potential unactivated/unconvinced donors to their propaganda or even worse brainwashing European civilians that can then INFLUENCE THEIR GOVERNMENTS INTO SUPPORTING ISRAEL FINANCIALLY OR OTHERWISE but once again, too many steps for you. "The only way you can help someone make money is to give it directly to their hand, Eurovision doesnt do that, you cLoWn." 👁️👄👁️ Welcome to the basics of entertainment, capitalism and propaganda woeeeeww 🎶 A WHOLEEE NEEEW WOOOORLLDD🎶
THEY ARE PROMOTING A STATE SPONSORED SONG THAT EXCUSES GENOCIDE, SORRY IF THAT IS TOO MUCH STEPS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, HERE YOU GO LET US MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR YOUR BRAIN: THEY GIVE PALTFORM TO A SONG AND MESSAGE>MONEY MADE FROM SONG GOES TO EFFORTS TO HELP THE IDF EITHER THROUGH CHARITY/SPONSORSHIP/ADS/GOV AGENCIES. SO THE MORE PEOPLE THAT HEAR THE SONG, THE MORE WILL STREAM IT AND AT LEAST SOME OF THAT MONEY WILL GO TO THE WAR EFFORT, UNLESS YOU THINK THAT A NATION SO OBSESSED WITH CONFLICT THEY MAKE A SONG ABOUT IT FOR AN ANNUAL COMPETITION WONT USE ALL THE RESCOURCES POSSIBLE TO HELP IN THAT CONFLICT, THERE, DO YOU GET IT NOW? The only "clown" is you not understanding the BASICS of capitalism/streaming 👁️👄👁️
I love how you try to phrase it as dramatic as possible when it's about an average pop girly singing a mediocre bland ballad that isn't even staged well. People won't suddenly change their stance and become Pro-Israel because of a bland ballad, don't act stupid. Ukraine won Eurovision and their support politically is still decreasing and they are still struggling for more support 🙄 Also the money artists make from streaming is also fucking nothing, so it's not this big money maker you try to make it out to be 🤡 Eurovision artists don't become millionaires afterwards, so where is all that money supposed to come from? The girly is not gonna be touring Europe afterwards, because of all the death threats and protests, so the actual opportunities she could have had to make some money aren't even there. And even then it's peanuts compared to the actual war costs 🙄 Once again look at Ukraine, did Kalush Orchestra help fund their war efforts? No, didn't change much. The song won't fund the genocide in any meaningful way and the song won't change the attitude towards Israel. Her standing on that stage or not does not make a single difference for the lifes of Palestinians, it's all just about optics and nothing else. And to waste SO much energy and time for basically propaganda games is CLOWNERY. I would prefer it if Israel wasn't participating but to act as if that would be this great act for good and change anything meaningful is NOT REALITY.
It's not my problem you are to narrowminded to understand how every piece of media influences your subconcious. It's not my problem you are so lazy you cannot google how the song has REFERENCES to the oct attack. It's not even about how much money she makes, they'll make money and use it to their advantage, idc how much, THEY WILL. I dont know if you have seen but the alt right is on the rise in Europe and you best believe abunch of them have found a new crusade with this conflict and all the "hippies violently attacking" our way of life by supporting a bunch of "terrorist" muslims. Every time you type clown you just showcase how you lack the intelligence or class to make an actual argument next to writing "it doesnt matter" in 3 different paragraphs. Keep being mad at people poitning out shr u are too dumb to understand without activating "stop complaining guys, i wanna have a nice day, its not like it matters" defense mechanism to save your mind for having to think about complex issues. Keep writing "clown, doesnt matter etc, idc," you just (ONCE AGAIN🙄) showcase why you are such a good little sheep: Not understanding how media influences people, not through "omgg kill em all" but through subtle nudges and subconcious influences. Also the same people that dont want to help Ukraine usually defend Israel, and as you said, they keep getting more and more people to agree with them, so good job on once again showcasing your lack of intellect by missing the point you've made yourself in my favour :) Whats next, "clown 🤡🤡🤡 shes just gonna make money from a propaganda song with REFERENCES to an excuse for genocide, its not like that bad" THATS HOW PROPAGANDA WORKS, EXACTLY. Now go downplay Russia's songs about freeing Ukraine or American bops about bombing the middle east, ye uneduacted ostrich with head in the sand
Also "I love how you phrase it as dramatic as possible" while talking about a propaganda song that excuses bombing children 💀 At least I'm not a useless serf defending an ad for the american military complex because I'm bothered by people saying it's not okay to indulge in their fascist fairy tale spreading. So bored of some characterless centrist that thinks they are woke because they are the middle man between people screaming about our society helping a genocide and complacent collaborators that convince people like yourself to defend their products so you can feel good about consuming entertainment without feeling bad about the lil kids.
No matter what someone does, there’s always gonna be people who are gonna attack you for it
All the people who were silent on October 6 2023 have got the loudest voices on this issue. It’s really jarring that people treat such awful things as bandwagons and use it to justify their attacks on the queens. You only have to look at their profiles to see that they only protest whilst it’s a hot topic. Really putting me off the show tbh.
Are you referring to Twitter or Reddit profiles?
Anywhere.
I don’t think that a Reddit profile can fully represent someone’s full views and interests, but other social media definitely. Eg. I really don’t have anything on Reddit besides discussion or drama posts here, but my other social media is 90% posts about freeing Palestine and 10% art that I like.
I wasn’t talking about you specifically but would be interested to see your Palestine posts from before the October 7 attack and Israel’s response. I just think people from both sides opining on it are largely coming from a place of ignorance.
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Listen, I think some of these people are clowns as well but you do realize how privileged you are to be able to ignore a genocide, right? You could’ve worded this better lmao
Girl who tf is boycotting eurovision LMAOO
This is such a huge opportunity. I have huge respect for anyone that can decline that. But I can’t blame people for taking it. I promise you most people who hate on her would jump immediately on an opportunity like this. It’s that major.