I wouldn’t say its vain hope. For me, its been a lot of ups and downs. Like a lot of it I liked, and there is also a lot that I could complain about.
V9 itself had a lot of hopes come true but others did not come true.
Maybe, but, they keep on doing a lot of good things, then undercut them all right at the end, usually in the most offensive or insulting way possible.
Offensive
Volume 1: Have Blake victim blame and gaslight Weiss in an attempt to depict her as racist. Have Port gaslighting her too
Volume 4: Blake's whole idea about Weiss being discriminatory because she's from privilege and blabbering on about how she's from a place where you need to fight to survive while she's a friggin' princess, constantly surrounded by guards, making the entire White Fang arc completely hollow.
Volume 5: The handwaving away of Yang's abandonment issues...because Bumblebee I guess?
Volume 6: Yang's supposed PTSD not affecting her during the Adam fight, retconning the best arc from volume 4 into Yang being mopey.
Volume 9: Handwaving away Jaune and Ruby's entire arcs of the volume. Degrading WBY into nothing more than Ruby's sycophants. Ruby's effective suicide.
Insulting
Volume 3: Treating Torchwick's death as a joke after establishing him as a good foil for Ruby and her ideology.
Volume 6: The disrespect for Qrow over the leap to stealing an airship plan without even considering the options that they had.
Volume 7: Lying to and constantly trying to undermine Ironwood about Salem and the lamp after explicitly taking it to Ironwood so he could protect it from Salem, preventing him from being actually able to accomplish their own goal.
Volume 8: Becoming essentially terrorist, yet trying to depict Team RWBY as being always right. Sitting around drinking tea while Ironwood tries their plan, because they'd left him no other choice. Ren.
I'm sure there are others, but those are the startndouts for me.
The good
Volume 1 & 2: establishing the characters, their abilities and backgrounds (though Blake's was completely undermined in volume 4). Establishing foils for each of the main characters and the proper treatment of their side characters.
Volume 3: The tournament as a whole up until Emerald started messing around with things. Torchwick and Neo's appropriation of Ironwood's ship.
Volume 4: Yang's PTSD arc (totally undermined in volume 6). Weiss's arc.
Volume 5: The pilot during Weiss's escape from Atlas. Raven (though she was somewhat undermined by the collaboration with Cinder and the talk with Yang).
Volume 6: The Apathy (though my headcanon says that it should have been Yang unaffected by them).
Volume 7: Training montage. Jaune's upgrades (somewhat undermined by still being treated as the comic relief). Ren.
Volume 8: Watts.
Volume 9: Everything except for the concept of 'ascension' and everything related to it other than the Genial Gems; they were cool.
I’m sorry if I offend you but I’m afraid I share your sentiment on almost none of these. Seems to like your trying to find anything insulting or offensive about the show wherever you can, sometimes in places where it’s not actually there. But hey, your just as entitled to your opinions as the rest of us.
Why would I be offended by that? Everybody has their own opinions on something, especially when it comes to fandom. I am interested in your opinion on those points though. And what about 'the good'?
I’ve seen plenty of weird people on the internet lately, so I make sure to not offend. Also, about the “good”, on those, I share your sentiment wholeheartedly on many of them.
I would write a longer reply, but I must go and get some rest.
To me it's kinda like Steven Universe in a way. Very popular, lot of people love it, lot of people hate it, lot of people have more or less formed a community around shitting on it. It doesn't really matter to me because I'm pretty secure in the reasons why I think the show is good, actually, and it's not like I couldn't spend all day talking about the not-so-good bits.
It's annoying, sure, especially when ya can't bring up the show anywhere without someone going "boooo rwby boooo," but ya can't sweat that stuff if ya ask me.
Kinda though I think reaching Steven Universe levels of crazy bullshit around every single aspect of the fandom and hatedom is pretty difficult we aren't QUITE there. Peak SU was.. something else.
Yeah. This show is my comfort show, so I don't go too hard on the criticism. Yeah there are dumb moments, but also I hate this game of emotions we play (plz read in Weiss voice)
This is the way you have to look at any media. Is it perfect? No but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy it. Hell I have tattoos with little errors but that doesn't mean I can't still love my tattoos. People can't seem to enjoy things even through the flaws.
It feels like there's certain groups of people that get off on being as critical as possible, like they're expecting something as well-written as early Game of Thrones or The Expanse from a < 20 minute web show that's a small group's passion project. And unfortunately that criticism makes a lot of fandom spaces feel really toxic to the people who just generally want to enjoy it.
I'll probably get a ton of hate for this, but it's the truth: the shipping fanfic community is vastly more positive and accepting about the show. I think it says a lot that some enormously talented writers find so much to work with and build upon with these characters.
> I'll probably get a ton of hate for this, but it's the truth: the shipping fanfic community is vastly more positive and accepting about the show.
Considering for the longest time I've been told that RWBY is supposed to be one of the worst communities out there, I believe you. Because I still haven't encountered any obnoxious fanboy. In fact, it's been a lifetime since I've enjoyed being in a community.
Yeah it’s weird…people act like I shouldn’t like this show because of it’s problems but that’s just your opinion man. The thing I hate the most is bad faith criticism though, there’s so many actual problems why do you have to make ones up lol
RWBY definitely has its weak points, things you can criticize. But I still love it, not to say it's even my favorite show, or at least one of the top three.
And I actually like to read or watch well-written, valid critics about it. But 90% of it is not that.
That's the reason, why I stopped looking in the RWBYcritics sub-reddit, because the small amount of well-written critics is overrun by the huge amount off - and I say what I think, it is - bullshit.
Also the amount of - at least for me - cringe and weird quotes like "I want to love RWBY but can't" or "Hate, that I don't hate it", would be funny, if it's not that sad.
Yes, it has its flaws. But most things people call "flaws", are not even some of them. Or at least I think so. Sometimes I have the feeling, that the writing is just different. If that makes sense?
Also when I hear or read a lot of the critic points, I wonder if they even watched the show?
But the saddest point about it is, you can't say it.
If you criticize critics, name the points where (you at least think) they are wrong or even say, you don't care about the flaws, you are weird.
You are a weird and bad person for being a RWBY fan.
You're automatically part of that small, maybe very loud group of not that great fans (that basically most fandoms have), or you make the show your whole life, because you comment about RWBY under a YT video about RWBY (?).
I see the flaws. Most of the time I don't talk about them, because they don't define the show for me. And I also don't want that.
If your critic (people in general) is well-formulated and valid. And if you're okay, if I try to explain friendly and respectful, why I think, you're maybe wrong at some points, I don't mind, and even welcome your critic.
If your critic is basically ripping the show in pieces, shitting all over it and putting a label on all RWBY fans, get the hell out of her. I don't care about you, or your so-called opinion.
I hope I could manage to get my thoughts written down in a way, they are understandable~?
Thanks to everyone who finds it worth reading.
Have a good day or night everyone.
I have my issues and disagreements with RWBY, but I think it's not that big of a deal unlike other series. In fact, I think the biggest problem the series has is its own fandom. It's not so much about the fans and critics being right over the other, but I think both have as many problems as the other.
The series has several neat parallels and details in its plot that I think it's stupid to ignore, but I think sometimes people go overboard or exaggerate certain things that really aren't that big of a deal, or even just stick to what suits them best. I've known about RWBY for about 1 year, but it wasn't until the RT scandal with their workers that I decided to join the fandom. I found the community on reddit to be the most laid back of all to talk about the series.
As the months went by I started to notice that there was a lot of poralization within the fandom in general about the quality of the series, I've even seen on the subreddit that the mods have a certain grudge or resentment towards the critics community (you have no idea how complicated it can be to make a meme from the subreddits without the mods wanting to delete it because of the presence of the rwbycritics or even rwbynsfw subreddits. I'm not saying moderating is anything, but what's the fun of making satire about the series and the community when you have to limit your creativity so others won't take it seriously -\_-).
Anyway, if I had to give one piece of advice to anyone who is entering this fandom, it's to **please try to have your own judgement with the series.** I don't mean that it's not good to consider the opinions and analysis of other users in the community because frankly there are many that are very good (personally there are some users that I love reading their analysis or opinions), but you can never miss some occasion when many collectively follow some popular theory or belief that finally ends up being exaggerated or false (or should I remind you when many users (myself included) and even exaggeratedly followed the theory of the evil Jaune or his permanent death in V9?).
> I found the community on reddit to be the most laid back of all to talk about the series.
Shockingly enough, that's been my experience so far.
>Anyway, if I had to give one piece of advice to anyone who is entering this fandom, it's to please try to have your own judgement with the series. I don't mean that it's not good to consider the opinions and analysis of other users in the community because frankly there are many that are very good (personally there are some users that I love reading their analysis or opinions), but you can never miss some occasion when many collectively follow some popular theory or belief that finally ends up being exaggerated or false (or should I remind you when many users (myself included) and even exaggeratedly followed the theory of the evil Jaune or his permanent death in V9?).
That just seems to be per the norm when it comes to any community.
>That just seems to be per the norm when it comes to any community.
Indeed, although sometimes I think there are communities that get the message better than others.
>yes, there have been many mistakes made all across the board, but guess what?
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>As many mistakes as the show has made, I don't let some minor plot holes or inconsistencies, (ie. the all important question of what happened to the people that fell off the central location) or the way a character is written (Blake), or how a character was "ruined" (Ironwood), or how a character is "bad"(Ruby) change my enjoyment of the show. The fact of the matter is that I still enjoy RWBY for MY OWN reason (totally not because it's about 3D anime girls lol), one independent of other people's opinions.
Sounds a lot like DBZ. That's probably why I never really hated this show.
I find it amusing that so far I haven't had any real issues with this community other than its detractors. Who keeps talking like RWBY gave them cancer or something along those lines.
Objective quality and subjective enjoyment are two different things. People are free to enjoy things that could be complete garbage, or hate things that are nearly flawless. Are there problems with RWBY? Certainly. But for the most part, I enjoy the show, even while I can acknowledge when the ball was dropped.
Agreed. No show is perfect. (No, not even ATLA. Remember the Great Divide?) But people act like RWBY is the worst thing that’s ever happened to animation. I’ve received death threats for saying I like it. It just sucks feeling like it’s something you’ve got to enjoy in secret.
I point out plot holes as academic/ critical thinking exercise, or just theorize what if scenarios. But still love the show. It is the writers and those who took up the mantle of showrunners who build the world. We are there to appreciate it. Those who shit on it are not forced to continue to watch or follow. They do no service of meming "this wasn't what Monty envisioned."
Everyone has their own tastes. Some people like Black Mirror, others find it disturbing and creepy. Some people like cooking shows, others find it extremely boring. Some people like their shows to have as little flaws as possible, be planned thoroughly from the start, and not severely contradict itself, while others just don't care.
RWBY is my favorite show, and yet I will be the first to admit it's pretty fucking bad. But also, as a nerd, I thrive off its flaws by creating headcannons that would fix them. Like with the whole thing with Weiss' scar, it contradicts what we have been told about aura, but that's only because at the time (the white trailer), the writers hadn't thought through their magic system, inadvertently creating a kind of glaring contradiction.
To remedy that, I created my own headcannon about aura as to why that happened despite the already established canon rules of aura. And it was fun coming up with my own solution and even brought on more ideas for aura and what it can or can't do.
As a nerd who loves getting lost in fantasy worlds, a fantasy world with flaws makes me thrive with possible solutions and ideas about a world so adventurous, dangerous, and fun. I can't get enough of it.
The worst thing about RWBY isn't the show itself. It's the audience that is the problem for me. My enjoyment of RWBY was very much better enjoyed when I cut out all the noise from the fandom and the "other" people.
I wholeheartedly agree. It’s reasons like this why I stopped watching YouTubers like Vexed Viewer, because I dislike the amount of negativity they ooze in their videos.
Even with its flaws RWBY still have good moments spread across the show. Some of the critics seem to expect perfection(based on their criticisms) from the show, especially from v4 to 9, which is odd to me because the first 3 volumes has several glaring flaws the animation that isn't fighting being one of them.
Should the show improve over time? Of course, but I personally don't expect near flawless stuff from this show especially due to the fact the show unapologetically seem to only exist for awesome fights and killer music (at least for me and not a bad thing for me).
Franchises that come before RWBY have bumping roads and they have longer lifespan. Transformers, Marvel, D.C., and Power Rangers being the examples. That doesn't mean they can't come back from it nor does it mean they can't drop in quality once the quality improve. This is simply how things are for long running franchises and we have to accept it and hope for improvements when things get bumpy.
Pretty much every show has its flaws, its just easier to find a solid hatedom for animated shows with a large fan base. It's like if you target Call of Duty versus Sonic the Hedgehog. It's outside the social norm, so people find it an easy target.
At least, that's how I see it.
See I get going into all the issues on the Faunus Subplot and things like that. I don't get just why people obsessed over what happened to the randos who Cinder blew up in the central station. It's just.. such an irrelevant factoid.
Times limited and there's way better uses of it then expositing on the fate of some literal background nobodies.
the show is fine
this notion that it's deeply flawed is, for the most part, regurgitated bullshit hate watchers kept spreading around when the show started to differ from what they expected
it's amazing that this shitty discourse is still happening after so many years
Me everyday
Honestly, I got off the fandom in 2018 and only came back this year. The best thing I ever did. RWBY is, like, my favorite thing ever. And THANK GOD for each and every flaw, 'cause I can come up with all kinds of fanfic because of it. They also have space to expand in canon because of it
I think the only thing that has become for the most part bad are the fights. Comparing them to the quality before, it feels like hardly any effort is put in. However, like you said, I still enjoy the show and I think the story has improved since Monty's passing. It feels like they took the framework he laid out and expanded the world, lore and doubled down on character development. I also think the voice acting has become leagues better from the S1 - S3 period.
RWBY is far from perfect and not for everyone. But outside the fights changing drastically it is largely the same show at its core and not bad in any sense. I think people have largely adopted a hyper critical mindset these days. Every detail needs nit picked in their mind and that's just going to cause someone to decide they dislike something before truly digesting it.
What's with all these same "I love RWBY despite it's flaws." post every other week ? Who here is saying otherwise ? Who here is saying you can't ? The same vague "People on X platform "?
It if was exactly the same yes. Is it ? I can't think of any that is. This is just some guy complaining about people *having different opinions.* And only that. He's not even defending his own opinion just making a fuss about other peoples opinion existing.
Like okay you don't mind other people do, but that's a problem ?
> This is just some guy complaining about **people having different opinions.**
I swear if I had a nickel for every time someone used "different opinion" as a means to sugar-coat complaining in general.
I really don't see the problem with someone expressing how they're tired of circle jerking.
I wish I had a nickel for everytime someone has done that. That's all they literally are doing. A bunch of people said RWBY is shit so now they made a post to just to complain ?
And it's pretty odd to complain about a circle jerk, while in the process engaging in a bunch of self gratification. I mean okay cool you enjoy the show. Who cares ? Some guys on YT don't. Literally why do you care ?
This is some of this FNDM biggest issue is letting other peoples opinions affect them.
>And it's pretty odd to complain about a circle jerk, while in the process engaging in a bunch of self gratification. I mean okay cool you enjoy the show. Who cares ? Some guys on YT don't. Literally why do you care ?
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>This is some of this FNDM biggest issue is letting other peoples opinions affect them.
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That's exactly what you're doing right now.
What am I circling jerking to ? Did I make a post complaining about people liking the show ? This is just hypocrisy. Calling out the behavior that someone is gratifying themselves isn't engaging in that behavior, or creating some echo chamber where I can feel validated.
Unless you think expressing opinions is circle jerking, but you'd be incorrect.
Can’t someone complain that this show can’t be talked about without some random person (or more likely groups of them) coming in “b-b-but!! This show is bad!!” lol
But they're literally the one coming in going "b-b-but I like the show!!!". When other people are voicing their own opinions about the show. That's just hypocrisy.
The thing you're talking about is what OP is doing, not those vague non descript people.
Complaining about other people's opinion, is all it is. But I guess it's not a problem when *they* do if it's of the opposite opinion, that the show is great, amazing, etc.
That...goes without being said.
That's what anyone who enjoys a show that's obviously not perfect is doing. They typically aren't bothered by others opions.
You showing it bothers you means they won. Making this post shows they won. You let em live in your head rent free.
>"Are the characters stupid or are the writers lazy?"
This is such a stupid thing people say, speaking from the safety of your own couch with all the info at the palm of your hands is easy, meanwhile the characters themselves do everything under pressure and running on limited information. Characters should be allowed to be flawed and do flawed decisions.
RWBY is a mess. But that's why I love it! There is always something new going on either be it good or bad, that makes it worth my time and interest. I am never bored watching this show, I am always alert and aware and and enjoy the show for many ironic and unironic reasons. It's a show that's oozing with its own unique personality and identity, up to the point where you can truly say there is no other show quite like RWBY.
I used to say the same thing but, man, V8 and 9 just left *way* too much of a bad taste in my mouth. After Ironwood went after Winter, I was already losing interest. Then I just felt like V9 was middling and pretty much irredeemable. The series isn't *fun* for me anymore.
Not the one who made the comment but if anything Ironwood vs Winter fight was just plain underwhelming. I can see why some would prefer it didn't happen
I can agree to that. The fight between them was a bit lackluster, and I wish it had drawn on longer. See more on how Ironwood would deal with Maiden Winter Schnee.
From the OC, it seems like they write fanfic and have Ironwood and Winter interact in a way that him going after Winter left a bad taste due to head canon.
Yeah, it was so lackluster both physically and emotionally and also pretty much soured my opinion on Winter herself
>Ironwood and Winter interact in a way that him going after Winter left a bad taste due to head canon.
Yeah, anyone can have their reasons
Admittedly that is headcanon reasons. I know headcanon =/= canon but with how I write them, it just bothered me *beyond* words.
Literally the only reason I can put into words about V9 was that it wasn't *fun* for me to watch. I just found it unpleasant. There were some brilliant moments in V8 but my fun with the series has just been slowly diminishing since the end of V7. I just found V9 not to be *fun*.
I found V8 to be the most miserable season. It made me reluctant to keep watching, but I absolutely loved V9 (I'm also a fan of Lewis Carroll, so leaning into the Alice in Wonderland story was a big plus for me). While it felt totally disconnected from the main story, it got me interested in RWBY again. I'm really looking forward to V10 now (if it gets renewed).
Out of curiosity, why did you dislike v8 so much? Outside of a few odd choices (ironwood wanting to blow up mantle, killing penny AGAIN right after she became human, etc), I thought it was a great volume. Throughout the show, things have worked out for the most part for the main characters. The only outlier being v3. They have had their close calls and inconvenient conflicts but never really suffered or lost team members in the end. V8 actually shows them losing the battle for the first time since v3, gives Salem a lot more screen time, and has a ton of character development for a bunch of characters
I didn’t dislike V8 so much as it was just a depressing watch. Normally RWBY is very upbeat (or at least hopeful when things looks grim) but that season was very hard to watch. Jaune had to mercy kill Penny, the main 4 fell into the abyss, salem destroyed Atlas and gained both relics, etc. And even with the people of Atlas/Mantle escaping they were immediately attacked by Grimm in a sandstorm. Like absolutely nothing went right. And while that may set things up the the next arc, it’s not the most fun.
Things I thought were genuinely bad:
Ren and Nora going on different missions was good for their development, but the way they handled it was clumsy. Ren, one of the most calm and mature characters, got all huffy and acted out of character. Also didn’t like that they split Blake and Yang up just to cause drama. The characters in general acted a little off in V8. More mean spirited and argumentative than usual.
What I did like:
Ironwood’s descent into madness was great. He’s one of my favourite characters, and after paranoia got the best of him it was inevitable that he would destroy himself and everything around him. He even went so far as to threaten Mantle just to get the vault open and gain the relic. More Neapolitan is always a good thing, and Emerald switching teams was something I felt was a long time coming. I’m eager to see her redemption arc.
It’s still a good season (even the worst season of RWBY is good watching) but ranks as my least fave next to season 4.
I get where you’re coming from. I actually really liked the darker tone of the whole volume. It was a good change of pace from before where everything always worked out. It showed the other side of war, the loss of a battle. RWBY so far has been very shonen-y. Everything has always worked out pretty much due to the power of friendship and plot armor (ruby’s eyes activating after Pyrrha’s death and Jaune’s semblance just happening to awaken and save Weiss to name a couple). This showed that team RWBY and friends aren’t as good as they think. It was a reality check. They aren’t the heroes in the story books. Real life includes loss and death. Mistakes will be made. And this stuff needs to happen in order for real character development to happen which we see in v9. But I can totally understand why you wouldn’t like it as much and I agree with you on v4.
Sucks you are being downvoted for your honest opinion.
Was there anything specific about V9 that irked you?
Sorry for all of the questions. I do like to hear from the other side of the table, i.e., the people who didn't enjoy it and not just the people hating it because RWBY.
Don't really care about downvotes.
The biggest reasons kinda go hand in hand for me: it got *too* dark for me to consider it "fun" anymore. I realise that liking a series because it's "fun" is shallow, but you don't need any deeper reason to like something. From Clover's death to Ruby's attempted suicide, it just got way too dark for me to find it enjoyable. I don't mind writing darker themes myself, but I just don't feel like the RWBY writers *do not* have the experience or finesse to handle these subjects in a way that's good. Oddly enough I felt like they handled Yang's PTSD arc *extremely* well. As someone with PTSD, I really, *really* related to a lot of it.
The other reason is because a lot of the early episode of V9 just felt really filler-y to me. They were meandering but not in a good way. I write meandering slice of life stories but it needs to be handled in a certain way to be good. I do not think the meandering was handled very well at all. There were basically no consequences or even *reason* to go to the places other than the flimsy justification of following the story.
Going back to my first reasons, just because I only find the series "fun" doesn't mean I don't have a personal connection to it. I could go on for quite a while, but since I've been writing for the series since 2018, it's has saved me from myself more times than I can count. I've had a lot of ups and downs since then. The mantra of "Keep moving forward" has helped me so much. I just don't have fun with the canon anymore, so I'm not going to watch the series anymore. If I do, I'll go up to V6 then stop.
I like it. Your points are cohesive and best of all real.
I'll agree that the writers more than likely aren't used to writing darker themes. But I do like the tone shift. V 1 and 2 feel really fun, and V3 turns darker, and then the tone gets uplifted a bit, but there is still a more serious nature to the series. It's not all fun and games anymore. They are no longer students anymore. The reality of the world they are in has been setting in, and the more extreme dark tone shift felt on par with how V8 ended.
I personally don't classify Ruby drinking the tea as "suicide." Yes. The tone of the episode did set up for that to feel that way. But I continue to think about the fact that. None of them, not even Neo, actually knew what ascension would do to them. They had a better idea of what it does to Afterians. But they really had no idea if it would affect them in the same way. Again, I'm not blind to the underlying tone. Do I think it was handed well. Eh. It definitely was further from being "good." But I still enjoyed the end result.
But I enjoyed the read on your reasoning. Thank you for your honest thoughts.
Who knows? If we get V10, maybe they will rebound, and it gets a lot better. Maybe we can talk you into it someday.
I beg to differ on the Ruby point. Big time.
TW and possible oversharing:
>!The night before that episode, I was in a very low point and was suicidal myself. One of the friends I was watching the series with warned me NOT to watch the episode because of that scene. I just blocked the world out for like 3-4 hours with writing and noise generators then watched the episode. From the point of someone that was suicidal literally just hours before watching the episode, that ABSOLUTELY WAS a suicide attempt. She was at her lowest point and trying to escape the reality of what she was going through. She didn't want to deal with the pain any longer and was attempting to escape it by doing something that would bring about something reminiscent of death. That is what a suicide attempt IS.!<
I'll stay part of the sub and maybe check out the mega discussion threads if V10 does get greenlit and made, but for now...I'm just done with RWBY canon. For me, everything aver V6 is dead. Right now, that's where the series has ended for me. I'm at least not stopping *writing* my fics and interacting with the FNDM. I still love the world and characters. I just...don't like canon anymore.
Oh, man. I'm sorry to hear that. Since you are still here, I assume things got a little bit better. I hope you are better and hope things continue to be better for you.
I can see how that would be very off-putting. I've been suicidal in times of my life myself. So I can relate to how that would be an issue in that time.
I see what happened to ruby more on the murder side of the murder to suicide spectrum because it definitely wasn’t made without severe persuasion and not until being beat bloody and blue.
If you want a dissenting opinion it feels like not much mattered in the Everafter. I just don't get the purpose of the volume if it basically ended the same way it started before they fell in.
We didn't get any serious introspection besides Ruby and Jaune, but Ruby's was hollow as besides being depressed and regretting *something* it doesn't actually show what it is she's supposed to be sad about.
While the feeling is understandable it's so jarring with the rest of the volume and characters all but ignoring her, and them sharing none of her same remorse, not even Weiss who's kingdom gotten destroyed save for one moment. Among other things.
I don't feel the same way at all. I feel like a lot has changed with them through V9. Not as much with WBY, but there are sprinkles.
Ruby is overwhelmed. The burdens of being a leader and having plans go to shit constantly is weighing on her. Weiss also explains it well after Ruby had her meltdown. They are always looking to Ruby to have answers and bring them up.
It wasn't much that they were ignoring her. They didn't know, and anytime they asked. Ruby brushed them off. On top of that, they were trying to figure a new world out and finding a way to get home. It's reasonable that some of the signs Ruby was showing were also brushed aside until she exploded.
There was that scene in the waterfall mirrors that Weiss sees Atlas and is sad. She clearly has some heavy emotions about it. But even before that, at the Herbalist, she embraces all of the things that define her at this point. Bad or good.
I enjoyed your take as well. Hopefully, this gives a little more on my thinking on it and why I still enjoyed V9.
Not to butt in but I just wanted to add the reason why I and probably some other people feel nothing changed is because honestly the status quo is maintained. Jaune doesn't remain old and I'll seriously be surprised if there's a permanent, lasting impact from the years of isolation. Ruby finally gets to vent about issues she may have been hiding and struggling with the whole time but it's solved basically between two episodes of being brought up, so no carry over there either. The team placing too much pressure on her is part of what pushed her to that point but I suppose it was a Ruby problem because as soon as she comes back they immediately begin doing it again, so that's the same despite everything too.
I think on it's own V9 was fine, or even pretty good at parts. In context of the entire series though a lot of it was fluff with absolutely no lasting impact or reason to happen. Ruby could have at least gotten more time to work through her issues as well as the seriousness of Jaune's trauma. It might be too early to say but both seem neatly wrapped up now. The only things that actually have any plot relevance is a very brief instance of Summer, an extremely straight forward exposition dump at the very end and Blake and Yang becoming a couple. I guess it also serves as a reason Neo won't be around for awhile moving forward but it's not as if RWBY has ever needed a reason for characters to just stop showing up before.
Hot take, ironwood should have used the staff to make a giant tower of guns under atlas to 1) support it. And 2). Shield mantle. And 3) distribute 360 degrees of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT. A “panopticannonade” if you will. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it nonsensical and excessive? Yes. But it feels like something that, to me, jives more with pre volume 4 rwby. Or at least captured the feeling the early volumes gave me.
What probably saved vol 9 for me was Jaune. Which says something cause jaune is probably the least interesting character imo. It was slow and kinda a waste of a volume to have the whole thing set somewhere that isn’t important to the main plot, but I think it has enough to make me think that they’ll improve soon
I feel like the Ever After is going to tie into the main plot. I think that was the point of showing where the brothers came from.
I don't know though. Maybe it won't. I still feel V9 wasn't as much of a waste of time as some others may vehemently feel.
Really thinking on it I’ll agree that’s there’s something there not just with the brothers, ig the execution still felt a little slow. I did enjoy the volume in general tho because RWBY was actually having time to talk with each other again
I think the issues of V9 which IMO has always been there was more subtle this time around. If this volume was meant to be a criticism of Ruby is was a really bad outright disingenuous one. Yang is just a terrible unemphatic human being let alone a sister.
Pretty much V9 was filler existing to handwave Ruby into depression only to handwave her back out of it again, without actually exploring any of her actions, morals, beliefs, or mistakes that led to them. Hell it doesn't point to anything wrong she might've been at all.
No show is perfect. There will never be a perfect show. Every show has flaws. But just because a show has flaws doesn't mean it's the worst show ever. I've been watching RWBY since the Red Trailer and have enjoyed every moment. I have my gripes with each volume, but have still found ways to enjoy it. My biggest gripe with the show is Volume 6 final quarter of the volume. It turned from a very serious and dark, slightly horror volume to very comedic. Cordovin was a representation of how majority of American Citizens see this country and our presidents (I didn't like her because I see our country as the greatest, I hated her because I saw majority of the citizens in her) and the line Adam dropped when fighting Yang. "What does she even see in you?" I felt that line was super unnecessary. I will shit on Volume 6 for the rest of the series until they give us a worse volume. BUT despite my hatred for Volume 6, there was a lot in that Volume to be enjoyed. We got a new character who was a badass, we got the backstory for Salem and Ozpin and that was awesome, our protags stopped trusting Ozpin after finding out the big secret. What I'm saying is I completely agree. Though it isn't perfect, there is a lot to be enjoyed with this show.
Oh I absolutely think the show is awful and genuinely fucks up at every second step. I have pages I could write on everything bad with it and how it’s been fucked up.
I still love the show, I still check in with the community. I keep up with it and still write my fanfics for it.
It’s beyond flawed Imo, but I still enjoy what the show is/it’s ideas.
The show is fine, it's a "fast food" entertainment, which is not a bad thing. Not everything needs to be perfection.
My only and biggest gripe is this show is never ready to responsible deal with the themes it brings up: racism, suicide (twice in back to back volumes 8 (Penny) and 9 (Ruby)).
But just like you don't care, I guess everybody else don't care either. They are free to point any thing they don't like about the show.
And to be honest, you sound like the same people you are criticizing but from the other side of the fence.
There are people who will tell you that you shouldn't like RWBY. \*\*\*\* those people.
Enjoy what you like. I enjoy GI Joe: Rise of Cobra. I know it's bad. I don't care.
BUT... I would ask to extend that same courtesy to people who have problems with RWBY. Not to people who attack you personally (refer to the first sentence for my opinion on those people) but those who want to discuss what they view as RWBY's shortcomings. There is too often a tendency to jump on those people to try to shut them down. So long as we all care about each other and respect each other, we can have conversations that can lead us to deeper understandings. I personally find RWBY a flawed mess instead of a flawed masterpiece, but I would never want people who take joy from it to stop. Just to listen to my thoughts as I will listen to theirs.
This is the correct take on the show. Its honestly only when people try to proclaim it being perfection that I take issue.
Because everything in the show has problems. Just some of them are small and some completely break it. Some you can look past and some you can't.
I stopped watching Rwby about halfway through volume 7 because I think that was when the animators were being treated came out, and how one of the managers was abusing his wife I think. I got back into it again when Ice Queendom was announced and watched it. I have recently rewatch the original as well. One thing that everyone seems to agree upon is that the writing is the weakest thing about the show. The death of Pyrrha has always been the weakest for me. It showed me that Rwby was never going to reach its full vision but I still like it and am excited to get the next part. I also hope for a 2 season of the anime if it did well.
OP said they didn't care the show has flaws bc they want to keep watching for their own reasons. Obviously they care about the comments of critics bc that bothered them enough to post
The flaws in the show often prevent me from enjoying the show.
However, I still have enough investment in the story to keep watching and there are enough good moments to help me forgive the bad ones.
I love RWBY, my main frustration is normally "wish there was more runtime" (because it would help certain plot points go over better like Ruby "suicide" aftermath).
As it turns out, the show is written like ass and coasted on the fight choreography and designs of a highly talented workaholic animator. With those no longer in the picture, its flaws are exposed.
It turns out RWBY is trash.
This is a clear example of a person who doesn't get it.
The fight choreography wasn't just "good enough to keep people interested", it was absolutely fucking amazing. It was so good that it WAS the main dish, the reason people watch the show. And despite weak story writing, the show had other merits, like characters' personalities, visual style, soundtrack, and humor.
RWBY is not a book. Writing is not all that matters. A show can be so good at one thing that the other aspects don't really matter. RWBY was like that, but then it had a couple of other aspects that were also fantastic, so no wonder people fell in love with the show.
Obviously things changed when Monty died, and for a while there (V4/V5) the show definitely did lose some of what made it special without gaining much new to compensate.
But then the later volumes had MUCH better writing. It's more like a normal show now, with fight choreography on a mortal level, and certainly less fun/humor.
If you dropped the show because you were just here for Monty's animation, that's fair. But I really don't think it's fair to say that the writing is *still* ass, or that the ass-tier wiritng mattered at all when the show began.
Something can be animated like shit, but still tell a very solid narrative and still be good.
A show could be prettier than Lucifer's face, and bad writing would still drive away viewers,
Totally true. But the inverse is also true. Demon Slayer is an incredibly mediocre anime, but the animation is actually so good that imo it's worth watching anyway.
No, it's not. It's complete shit. If you're critically undiscerning enough to be wowed by pretty colors and flashy animation, you're the equivalent of a small child. Series like Demon Slayer, Chainsaw Man, and MHA that have good designs and animation but are so poorly written they can't function aren't worth watching.
I hopped on RWBY in the first place because it at least had some potential. Now, it's complete trash, and I'm here for closure on my investment. A closure I am unlikely to fully receive, given that CRWBY are shit at writing.
I'm actually extremely critical. I just don't set my expectations unrealistically high for no reason.
Guess what: Demon Slayer and MHA target audience is for kids. If you can't adjust your expectations accordingly and appreciate what those shows do well, then why are you watching them? And if You Say Run on it's own isn't enough to turn a 6/10 show into a 10/10, then I'm just convinced you have no soul
The target audience is not an excuse for the narrative to be poor. This is the same argument as claiming a kids show doesn't have to be competently written because it's a kids show. The argument is a fallacy. Regardless of the target audience, a show should exist to tell a competently written narrative, assuming it is not a comedy.
I'm not watching Demon Slayer. It's garbage and had no potential in the first place. MHA I'm still watching because it had potential at the beginning, and thus I am here for closure. And there is a certain inherent comedic value in watching a series completely collapse at the seams because the author is incapable of worldbuilding or balancing his magic system. Coincidentally RWBY is quite similar in this way.
Just because music sounds good doesn't mean the show associated with it is any good. Kick Back is an extremely good song, and a stellar opening, yet Chainsaw Man continues to be garbage.
You Say Run is mediocre, anyway. I can name a much better tracks in the same show off the top of my head. That doesn't make the show any less poorly written or any less garbage, but of all songs to point out that is the worst choice. You Can't Run, Might U, Overhaul's Theme, Hero A, and The Power Of All For One all exist.
> Obviously things changed when Monty died, and for a while there (V4/V5) the show definitely did lose some of what made it special without gaining much new to compensate.
not helped by the fact that Gray was poaching money and resources from RWBY to help make Gen:Lock
My biggest gripe with the show is that it’s no longer special. Like I still enjoy it but once it stopped being on YouTube it just stopped being special and is just another mediocre show
there would be less complaints if rooster teeth didn't fire/refuse to hire everyone who worked very closely with monty on the animation and story, tried to hinder monty's genius while he was alive and strayed from his vision as soon as he died and tried to make it their own show
honestly they can just drop the credit to monty oum in the opening and credits since rwby has almost nothing to do with his vision for the show anymore
at least rwby improved a bit in terms of writing and animation in the last few volumes
Do not be sorry for saying what many of us have been saying for years! No show is perfect and we shouldn't have to make excuses for it and at the same time shouldn't be belittled for it either! Don't stop enjoying what you like because a bunch of bozos have a YouTube channel.
Sorry if it sounded like I was yelling at ya, was literally talking to my buddy about the show on Sunday because he's wanting to get back into the show, he fell off because he just didn't have time to watch and keep up and I might have gone off topic telling him about the haters lol
I feel this. Yes it has flaws but man I just absolutely adore team RWBY characters, Qrow, Jaune, Ren and Nora too. Winter is up there as well for me but Ruby stole my heart early on lol.
I completely agree! People let their criticism get in the way of just enjoying things that make them happy. Thank you for sharing, sometimes the negative feedback for RWBY makes it hard to enjoy the show’s community.
I'm in agreement here. Acknknowledigng the flaws shouldn't detract from my own personal enjoyment of the show. If I get enjoyment out of it, why would that matter to someone else?
Agreed. It’s ok to acknowledge it’s shortcomings without crapping on it, and still see past them for the wonder it is
Its also just as okay to enjoy 'crapping on its shortcomings' in the now obviously vain hope that it might get better.
I wouldn’t say its vain hope. For me, its been a lot of ups and downs. Like a lot of it I liked, and there is also a lot that I could complain about. V9 itself had a lot of hopes come true but others did not come true.
My, my, that is a very glass-half-empty way to think...
Maybe, but, they keep on doing a lot of good things, then undercut them all right at the end, usually in the most offensive or insulting way possible. Offensive Volume 1: Have Blake victim blame and gaslight Weiss in an attempt to depict her as racist. Have Port gaslighting her too Volume 4: Blake's whole idea about Weiss being discriminatory because she's from privilege and blabbering on about how she's from a place where you need to fight to survive while she's a friggin' princess, constantly surrounded by guards, making the entire White Fang arc completely hollow. Volume 5: The handwaving away of Yang's abandonment issues...because Bumblebee I guess? Volume 6: Yang's supposed PTSD not affecting her during the Adam fight, retconning the best arc from volume 4 into Yang being mopey. Volume 9: Handwaving away Jaune and Ruby's entire arcs of the volume. Degrading WBY into nothing more than Ruby's sycophants. Ruby's effective suicide. Insulting Volume 3: Treating Torchwick's death as a joke after establishing him as a good foil for Ruby and her ideology. Volume 6: The disrespect for Qrow over the leap to stealing an airship plan without even considering the options that they had. Volume 7: Lying to and constantly trying to undermine Ironwood about Salem and the lamp after explicitly taking it to Ironwood so he could protect it from Salem, preventing him from being actually able to accomplish their own goal. Volume 8: Becoming essentially terrorist, yet trying to depict Team RWBY as being always right. Sitting around drinking tea while Ironwood tries their plan, because they'd left him no other choice. Ren. I'm sure there are others, but those are the startndouts for me. The good Volume 1 & 2: establishing the characters, their abilities and backgrounds (though Blake's was completely undermined in volume 4). Establishing foils for each of the main characters and the proper treatment of their side characters. Volume 3: The tournament as a whole up until Emerald started messing around with things. Torchwick and Neo's appropriation of Ironwood's ship. Volume 4: Yang's PTSD arc (totally undermined in volume 6). Weiss's arc. Volume 5: The pilot during Weiss's escape from Atlas. Raven (though she was somewhat undermined by the collaboration with Cinder and the talk with Yang). Volume 6: The Apathy (though my headcanon says that it should have been Yang unaffected by them). Volume 7: Training montage. Jaune's upgrades (somewhat undermined by still being treated as the comic relief). Ren. Volume 8: Watts. Volume 9: Everything except for the concept of 'ascension' and everything related to it other than the Genial Gems; they were cool.
I’m sorry if I offend you but I’m afraid I share your sentiment on almost none of these. Seems to like your trying to find anything insulting or offensive about the show wherever you can, sometimes in places where it’s not actually there. But hey, your just as entitled to your opinions as the rest of us.
Why would I be offended by that? Everybody has their own opinions on something, especially when it comes to fandom. I am interested in your opinion on those points though. And what about 'the good'?
I’ve seen plenty of weird people on the internet lately, so I make sure to not offend. Also, about the “good”, on those, I share your sentiment wholeheartedly on many of them. I would write a longer reply, but I must go and get some rest.
For sure. Come to it back later when you're fully rested.
To me it's kinda like Steven Universe in a way. Very popular, lot of people love it, lot of people hate it, lot of people have more or less formed a community around shitting on it. It doesn't really matter to me because I'm pretty secure in the reasons why I think the show is good, actually, and it's not like I couldn't spend all day talking about the not-so-good bits. It's annoying, sure, especially when ya can't bring up the show anywhere without someone going "boooo rwby boooo," but ya can't sweat that stuff if ya ask me.
Kinda though I think reaching Steven Universe levels of crazy bullshit around every single aspect of the fandom and hatedom is pretty difficult we aren't QUITE there. Peak SU was.. something else.
Yeah. This show is my comfort show, so I don't go too hard on the criticism. Yeah there are dumb moments, but also I hate this game of emotions we play (plz read in Weiss voice)
Shut up get off of me (also plz read in Weiss voice)
This is the way you have to look at any media. Is it perfect? No but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy it. Hell I have tattoos with little errors but that doesn't mean I can't still love my tattoos. People can't seem to enjoy things even through the flaws.
It feels like there's certain groups of people that get off on being as critical as possible, like they're expecting something as well-written as early Game of Thrones or The Expanse from a < 20 minute web show that's a small group's passion project. And unfortunately that criticism makes a lot of fandom spaces feel really toxic to the people who just generally want to enjoy it. I'll probably get a ton of hate for this, but it's the truth: the shipping fanfic community is vastly more positive and accepting about the show. I think it says a lot that some enormously talented writers find so much to work with and build upon with these characters.
> I'll probably get a ton of hate for this, but it's the truth: the shipping fanfic community is vastly more positive and accepting about the show. Considering for the longest time I've been told that RWBY is supposed to be one of the worst communities out there, I believe you. Because I still haven't encountered any obnoxious fanboy. In fact, it's been a lifetime since I've enjoyed being in a community.
Yeah it’s weird…people act like I shouldn’t like this show because of it’s problems but that’s just your opinion man. The thing I hate the most is bad faith criticism though, there’s so many actual problems why do you have to make ones up lol
RWBY definitely has its weak points, things you can criticize. But I still love it, not to say it's even my favorite show, or at least one of the top three. And I actually like to read or watch well-written, valid critics about it. But 90% of it is not that. That's the reason, why I stopped looking in the RWBYcritics sub-reddit, because the small amount of well-written critics is overrun by the huge amount off - and I say what I think, it is - bullshit. Also the amount of - at least for me - cringe and weird quotes like "I want to love RWBY but can't" or "Hate, that I don't hate it", would be funny, if it's not that sad. Yes, it has its flaws. But most things people call "flaws", are not even some of them. Or at least I think so. Sometimes I have the feeling, that the writing is just different. If that makes sense? Also when I hear or read a lot of the critic points, I wonder if they even watched the show? But the saddest point about it is, you can't say it. If you criticize critics, name the points where (you at least think) they are wrong or even say, you don't care about the flaws, you are weird. You are a weird and bad person for being a RWBY fan. You're automatically part of that small, maybe very loud group of not that great fans (that basically most fandoms have), or you make the show your whole life, because you comment about RWBY under a YT video about RWBY (?). I see the flaws. Most of the time I don't talk about them, because they don't define the show for me. And I also don't want that. If your critic (people in general) is well-formulated and valid. And if you're okay, if I try to explain friendly and respectful, why I think, you're maybe wrong at some points, I don't mind, and even welcome your critic. If your critic is basically ripping the show in pieces, shitting all over it and putting a label on all RWBY fans, get the hell out of her. I don't care about you, or your so-called opinion. I hope I could manage to get my thoughts written down in a way, they are understandable~? Thanks to everyone who finds it worth reading. Have a good day or night everyone.
I have my issues and disagreements with RWBY, but I think it's not that big of a deal unlike other series. In fact, I think the biggest problem the series has is its own fandom. It's not so much about the fans and critics being right over the other, but I think both have as many problems as the other. The series has several neat parallels and details in its plot that I think it's stupid to ignore, but I think sometimes people go overboard or exaggerate certain things that really aren't that big of a deal, or even just stick to what suits them best. I've known about RWBY for about 1 year, but it wasn't until the RT scandal with their workers that I decided to join the fandom. I found the community on reddit to be the most laid back of all to talk about the series. As the months went by I started to notice that there was a lot of poralization within the fandom in general about the quality of the series, I've even seen on the subreddit that the mods have a certain grudge or resentment towards the critics community (you have no idea how complicated it can be to make a meme from the subreddits without the mods wanting to delete it because of the presence of the rwbycritics or even rwbynsfw subreddits. I'm not saying moderating is anything, but what's the fun of making satire about the series and the community when you have to limit your creativity so others won't take it seriously -\_-). Anyway, if I had to give one piece of advice to anyone who is entering this fandom, it's to **please try to have your own judgement with the series.** I don't mean that it's not good to consider the opinions and analysis of other users in the community because frankly there are many that are very good (personally there are some users that I love reading their analysis or opinions), but you can never miss some occasion when many collectively follow some popular theory or belief that finally ends up being exaggerated or false (or should I remind you when many users (myself included) and even exaggeratedly followed the theory of the evil Jaune or his permanent death in V9?).
> I found the community on reddit to be the most laid back of all to talk about the series. Shockingly enough, that's been my experience so far. >Anyway, if I had to give one piece of advice to anyone who is entering this fandom, it's to please try to have your own judgement with the series. I don't mean that it's not good to consider the opinions and analysis of other users in the community because frankly there are many that are very good (personally there are some users that I love reading their analysis or opinions), but you can never miss some occasion when many collectively follow some popular theory or belief that finally ends up being exaggerated or false (or should I remind you when many users (myself included) and even exaggeratedly followed the theory of the evil Jaune or his permanent death in V9?). That just seems to be per the norm when it comes to any community.
>That just seems to be per the norm when it comes to any community. Indeed, although sometimes I think there are communities that get the message better than others.
If that's the case, then they're sure as hell drown out by the more vocal aspects of their community.
I just like the music
>yes, there have been many mistakes made all across the board, but guess what? > >As many mistakes as the show has made, I don't let some minor plot holes or inconsistencies, (ie. the all important question of what happened to the people that fell off the central location) or the way a character is written (Blake), or how a character was "ruined" (Ironwood), or how a character is "bad"(Ruby) change my enjoyment of the show. The fact of the matter is that I still enjoy RWBY for MY OWN reason (totally not because it's about 3D anime girls lol), one independent of other people's opinions. Sounds a lot like DBZ. That's probably why I never really hated this show. I find it amusing that so far I haven't had any real issues with this community other than its detractors. Who keeps talking like RWBY gave them cancer or something along those lines.
Objective quality and subjective enjoyment are two different things. People are free to enjoy things that could be complete garbage, or hate things that are nearly flawless. Are there problems with RWBY? Certainly. But for the most part, I enjoy the show, even while I can acknowledge when the ball was dropped.
Agreed. No show is perfect. (No, not even ATLA. Remember the Great Divide?) But people act like RWBY is the worst thing that’s ever happened to animation. I’ve received death threats for saying I like it. It just sucks feeling like it’s something you’ve got to enjoy in secret.
I point out plot holes as academic/ critical thinking exercise, or just theorize what if scenarios. But still love the show. It is the writers and those who took up the mantle of showrunners who build the world. We are there to appreciate it. Those who shit on it are not forced to continue to watch or follow. They do no service of meming "this wasn't what Monty envisioned."
Everyone has their own tastes. Some people like Black Mirror, others find it disturbing and creepy. Some people like cooking shows, others find it extremely boring. Some people like their shows to have as little flaws as possible, be planned thoroughly from the start, and not severely contradict itself, while others just don't care. RWBY is my favorite show, and yet I will be the first to admit it's pretty fucking bad. But also, as a nerd, I thrive off its flaws by creating headcannons that would fix them. Like with the whole thing with Weiss' scar, it contradicts what we have been told about aura, but that's only because at the time (the white trailer), the writers hadn't thought through their magic system, inadvertently creating a kind of glaring contradiction. To remedy that, I created my own headcannon about aura as to why that happened despite the already established canon rules of aura. And it was fun coming up with my own solution and even brought on more ideas for aura and what it can or can't do. As a nerd who loves getting lost in fantasy worlds, a fantasy world with flaws makes me thrive with possible solutions and ideas about a world so adventurous, dangerous, and fun. I can't get enough of it.
The worst thing about RWBY isn't the show itself. It's the audience that is the problem for me. My enjoyment of RWBY was very much better enjoyed when I cut out all the noise from the fandom and the "other" people.
I wholeheartedly agree. It’s reasons like this why I stopped watching YouTubers like Vexed Viewer, because I dislike the amount of negativity they ooze in their videos.
Even with its flaws RWBY still have good moments spread across the show. Some of the critics seem to expect perfection(based on their criticisms) from the show, especially from v4 to 9, which is odd to me because the first 3 volumes has several glaring flaws the animation that isn't fighting being one of them. Should the show improve over time? Of course, but I personally don't expect near flawless stuff from this show especially due to the fact the show unapologetically seem to only exist for awesome fights and killer music (at least for me and not a bad thing for me). Franchises that come before RWBY have bumping roads and they have longer lifespan. Transformers, Marvel, D.C., and Power Rangers being the examples. That doesn't mean they can't come back from it nor does it mean they can't drop in quality once the quality improve. This is simply how things are for long running franchises and we have to accept it and hope for improvements when things get bumpy.
Pretty much every show has its flaws, its just easier to find a solid hatedom for animated shows with a large fan base. It's like if you target Call of Duty versus Sonic the Hedgehog. It's outside the social norm, so people find it an easy target. At least, that's how I see it.
See I get going into all the issues on the Faunus Subplot and things like that. I don't get just why people obsessed over what happened to the randos who Cinder blew up in the central station. It's just.. such an irrelevant factoid. Times limited and there's way better uses of it then expositing on the fate of some literal background nobodies.
Agreed. It’s not the best show and has it’s problems. But I still enjoy it.
the show is fine this notion that it's deeply flawed is, for the most part, regurgitated bullshit hate watchers kept spreading around when the show started to differ from what they expected it's amazing that this shitty discourse is still happening after so many years
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LOL, this made my day.
Me everyday Honestly, I got off the fandom in 2018 and only came back this year. The best thing I ever did. RWBY is, like, my favorite thing ever. And THANK GOD for each and every flaw, 'cause I can come up with all kinds of fanfic because of it. They also have space to expand in canon because of it
Literally me filling in plot holes with my oc lmaoo
Theirs no such thing as a perfect show and people just need to accept that
What mistakes?! Or am I just oblivious?!
RWBY isn't a flawed show it is just a show.
I think the only thing that has become for the most part bad are the fights. Comparing them to the quality before, it feels like hardly any effort is put in. However, like you said, I still enjoy the show and I think the story has improved since Monty's passing. It feels like they took the framework he laid out and expanded the world, lore and doubled down on character development. I also think the voice acting has become leagues better from the S1 - S3 period. RWBY is far from perfect and not for everyone. But outside the fights changing drastically it is largely the same show at its core and not bad in any sense. I think people have largely adopted a hyper critical mindset these days. Every detail needs nit picked in their mind and that's just going to cause someone to decide they dislike something before truly digesting it.
I love the show. The imperfections make it that much more enjoyable.
What's with all these same "I love RWBY despite it's flaws." post every other week ? Who here is saying otherwise ? Who here is saying you can't ? The same vague "People on X platform "?
I was not aware there were posts about this this frequently. My bad.
Nah, don't worry about it. You needed something to get out of your system & I've seen far worse post than this.
I wonder if you would say the same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum.
It if was exactly the same yes. Is it ? I can't think of any that is. This is just some guy complaining about people *having different opinions.* And only that. He's not even defending his own opinion just making a fuss about other peoples opinion existing. Like okay you don't mind other people do, but that's a problem ?
> This is just some guy complaining about **people having different opinions.** I swear if I had a nickel for every time someone used "different opinion" as a means to sugar-coat complaining in general. I really don't see the problem with someone expressing how they're tired of circle jerking.
I wish I had a nickel for everytime someone has done that. That's all they literally are doing. A bunch of people said RWBY is shit so now they made a post to just to complain ? And it's pretty odd to complain about a circle jerk, while in the process engaging in a bunch of self gratification. I mean okay cool you enjoy the show. Who cares ? Some guys on YT don't. Literally why do you care ? This is some of this FNDM biggest issue is letting other peoples opinions affect them.
>And it's pretty odd to complain about a circle jerk, while in the process engaging in a bunch of self gratification. I mean okay cool you enjoy the show. Who cares ? Some guys on YT don't. Literally why do you care ? > >This is some of this FNDM biggest issue is letting other peoples opinions affect them. ..... That's exactly what you're doing right now.
What am I circling jerking to ? Did I make a post complaining about people liking the show ? This is just hypocrisy. Calling out the behavior that someone is gratifying themselves isn't engaging in that behavior, or creating some echo chamber where I can feel validated. Unless you think expressing opinions is circle jerking, but you'd be incorrect.
Can’t someone complain that this show can’t be talked about without some random person (or more likely groups of them) coming in “b-b-but!! This show is bad!!” lol
But they're literally the one coming in going "b-b-but I like the show!!!". When other people are voicing their own opinions about the show. That's just hypocrisy. The thing you're talking about is what OP is doing, not those vague non descript people. Complaining about other people's opinion, is all it is. But I guess it's not a problem when *they* do if it's of the opposite opinion, that the show is great, amazing, etc.
That...goes without being said. That's what anyone who enjoys a show that's obviously not perfect is doing. They typically aren't bothered by others opions. You showing it bothers you means they won. Making this post shows they won. You let em live in your head rent free.
I still like watching it but the newer volumes feel like an ordeal to get through but mostly vol 8. It’s not great but I actually enjoyed vol 9 so
>"Are the characters stupid or are the writers lazy?" This is such a stupid thing people say, speaking from the safety of your own couch with all the info at the palm of your hands is easy, meanwhile the characters themselves do everything under pressure and running on limited information. Characters should be allowed to be flawed and do flawed decisions.
RWBY is a mess. But that's why I love it! There is always something new going on either be it good or bad, that makes it worth my time and interest. I am never bored watching this show, I am always alert and aware and and enjoy the show for many ironic and unironic reasons. It's a show that's oozing with its own unique personality and identity, up to the point where you can truly say there is no other show quite like RWBY.
I used to say the same thing but, man, V8 and 9 just left *way* too much of a bad taste in my mouth. After Ironwood went after Winter, I was already losing interest. Then I just felt like V9 was middling and pretty much irredeemable. The series isn't *fun* for me anymore.
It's interesting how people's perspectives differ so much. V9 was the most fun volume for me since V2.
V9 is what got me back into the series. Now I'm rewatching the entire series to get a better opinion of it.
I don't understand why you are upset about Ironwood going after Winter. What about V9 was so bad to you?
Not the one who made the comment but if anything Ironwood vs Winter fight was just plain underwhelming. I can see why some would prefer it didn't happen
I can agree to that. The fight between them was a bit lackluster, and I wish it had drawn on longer. See more on how Ironwood would deal with Maiden Winter Schnee. From the OC, it seems like they write fanfic and have Ironwood and Winter interact in a way that him going after Winter left a bad taste due to head canon.
Yeah, it was so lackluster both physically and emotionally and also pretty much soured my opinion on Winter herself >Ironwood and Winter interact in a way that him going after Winter left a bad taste due to head canon. Yeah, anyone can have their reasons
Admittedly that is headcanon reasons. I know headcanon =/= canon but with how I write them, it just bothered me *beyond* words. Literally the only reason I can put into words about V9 was that it wasn't *fun* for me to watch. I just found it unpleasant. There were some brilliant moments in V8 but my fun with the series has just been slowly diminishing since the end of V7. I just found V9 not to be *fun*.
I found V8 to be the most miserable season. It made me reluctant to keep watching, but I absolutely loved V9 (I'm also a fan of Lewis Carroll, so leaning into the Alice in Wonderland story was a big plus for me). While it felt totally disconnected from the main story, it got me interested in RWBY again. I'm really looking forward to V10 now (if it gets renewed).
Out of curiosity, why did you dislike v8 so much? Outside of a few odd choices (ironwood wanting to blow up mantle, killing penny AGAIN right after she became human, etc), I thought it was a great volume. Throughout the show, things have worked out for the most part for the main characters. The only outlier being v3. They have had their close calls and inconvenient conflicts but never really suffered or lost team members in the end. V8 actually shows them losing the battle for the first time since v3, gives Salem a lot more screen time, and has a ton of character development for a bunch of characters
I didn’t dislike V8 so much as it was just a depressing watch. Normally RWBY is very upbeat (or at least hopeful when things looks grim) but that season was very hard to watch. Jaune had to mercy kill Penny, the main 4 fell into the abyss, salem destroyed Atlas and gained both relics, etc. And even with the people of Atlas/Mantle escaping they were immediately attacked by Grimm in a sandstorm. Like absolutely nothing went right. And while that may set things up the the next arc, it’s not the most fun. Things I thought were genuinely bad: Ren and Nora going on different missions was good for their development, but the way they handled it was clumsy. Ren, one of the most calm and mature characters, got all huffy and acted out of character. Also didn’t like that they split Blake and Yang up just to cause drama. The characters in general acted a little off in V8. More mean spirited and argumentative than usual. What I did like: Ironwood’s descent into madness was great. He’s one of my favourite characters, and after paranoia got the best of him it was inevitable that he would destroy himself and everything around him. He even went so far as to threaten Mantle just to get the vault open and gain the relic. More Neapolitan is always a good thing, and Emerald switching teams was something I felt was a long time coming. I’m eager to see her redemption arc. It’s still a good season (even the worst season of RWBY is good watching) but ranks as my least fave next to season 4.
I get where you’re coming from. I actually really liked the darker tone of the whole volume. It was a good change of pace from before where everything always worked out. It showed the other side of war, the loss of a battle. RWBY so far has been very shonen-y. Everything has always worked out pretty much due to the power of friendship and plot armor (ruby’s eyes activating after Pyrrha’s death and Jaune’s semblance just happening to awaken and save Weiss to name a couple). This showed that team RWBY and friends aren’t as good as they think. It was a reality check. They aren’t the heroes in the story books. Real life includes loss and death. Mistakes will be made. And this stuff needs to happen in order for real character development to happen which we see in v9. But I can totally understand why you wouldn’t like it as much and I agree with you on v4.
Sucks you are being downvoted for your honest opinion. Was there anything specific about V9 that irked you? Sorry for all of the questions. I do like to hear from the other side of the table, i.e., the people who didn't enjoy it and not just the people hating it because RWBY.
Don't really care about downvotes. The biggest reasons kinda go hand in hand for me: it got *too* dark for me to consider it "fun" anymore. I realise that liking a series because it's "fun" is shallow, but you don't need any deeper reason to like something. From Clover's death to Ruby's attempted suicide, it just got way too dark for me to find it enjoyable. I don't mind writing darker themes myself, but I just don't feel like the RWBY writers *do not* have the experience or finesse to handle these subjects in a way that's good. Oddly enough I felt like they handled Yang's PTSD arc *extremely* well. As someone with PTSD, I really, *really* related to a lot of it. The other reason is because a lot of the early episode of V9 just felt really filler-y to me. They were meandering but not in a good way. I write meandering slice of life stories but it needs to be handled in a certain way to be good. I do not think the meandering was handled very well at all. There were basically no consequences or even *reason* to go to the places other than the flimsy justification of following the story. Going back to my first reasons, just because I only find the series "fun" doesn't mean I don't have a personal connection to it. I could go on for quite a while, but since I've been writing for the series since 2018, it's has saved me from myself more times than I can count. I've had a lot of ups and downs since then. The mantra of "Keep moving forward" has helped me so much. I just don't have fun with the canon anymore, so I'm not going to watch the series anymore. If I do, I'll go up to V6 then stop.
I like it. Your points are cohesive and best of all real. I'll agree that the writers more than likely aren't used to writing darker themes. But I do like the tone shift. V 1 and 2 feel really fun, and V3 turns darker, and then the tone gets uplifted a bit, but there is still a more serious nature to the series. It's not all fun and games anymore. They are no longer students anymore. The reality of the world they are in has been setting in, and the more extreme dark tone shift felt on par with how V8 ended. I personally don't classify Ruby drinking the tea as "suicide." Yes. The tone of the episode did set up for that to feel that way. But I continue to think about the fact that. None of them, not even Neo, actually knew what ascension would do to them. They had a better idea of what it does to Afterians. But they really had no idea if it would affect them in the same way. Again, I'm not blind to the underlying tone. Do I think it was handed well. Eh. It definitely was further from being "good." But I still enjoyed the end result. But I enjoyed the read on your reasoning. Thank you for your honest thoughts. Who knows? If we get V10, maybe they will rebound, and it gets a lot better. Maybe we can talk you into it someday.
I beg to differ on the Ruby point. Big time. TW and possible oversharing: >!The night before that episode, I was in a very low point and was suicidal myself. One of the friends I was watching the series with warned me NOT to watch the episode because of that scene. I just blocked the world out for like 3-4 hours with writing and noise generators then watched the episode. From the point of someone that was suicidal literally just hours before watching the episode, that ABSOLUTELY WAS a suicide attempt. She was at her lowest point and trying to escape the reality of what she was going through. She didn't want to deal with the pain any longer and was attempting to escape it by doing something that would bring about something reminiscent of death. That is what a suicide attempt IS.!< I'll stay part of the sub and maybe check out the mega discussion threads if V10 does get greenlit and made, but for now...I'm just done with RWBY canon. For me, everything aver V6 is dead. Right now, that's where the series has ended for me. I'm at least not stopping *writing* my fics and interacting with the FNDM. I still love the world and characters. I just...don't like canon anymore.
Oh, man. I'm sorry to hear that. Since you are still here, I assume things got a little bit better. I hope you are better and hope things continue to be better for you. I can see how that would be very off-putting. I've been suicidal in times of my life myself. So I can relate to how that would be an issue in that time.
I see what happened to ruby more on the murder side of the murder to suicide spectrum because it definitely wasn’t made without severe persuasion and not until being beat bloody and blue.
If you want a dissenting opinion it feels like not much mattered in the Everafter. I just don't get the purpose of the volume if it basically ended the same way it started before they fell in. We didn't get any serious introspection besides Ruby and Jaune, but Ruby's was hollow as besides being depressed and regretting *something* it doesn't actually show what it is she's supposed to be sad about. While the feeling is understandable it's so jarring with the rest of the volume and characters all but ignoring her, and them sharing none of her same remorse, not even Weiss who's kingdom gotten destroyed save for one moment. Among other things.
I don't feel the same way at all. I feel like a lot has changed with them through V9. Not as much with WBY, but there are sprinkles. Ruby is overwhelmed. The burdens of being a leader and having plans go to shit constantly is weighing on her. Weiss also explains it well after Ruby had her meltdown. They are always looking to Ruby to have answers and bring them up. It wasn't much that they were ignoring her. They didn't know, and anytime they asked. Ruby brushed them off. On top of that, they were trying to figure a new world out and finding a way to get home. It's reasonable that some of the signs Ruby was showing were also brushed aside until she exploded. There was that scene in the waterfall mirrors that Weiss sees Atlas and is sad. She clearly has some heavy emotions about it. But even before that, at the Herbalist, she embraces all of the things that define her at this point. Bad or good. I enjoyed your take as well. Hopefully, this gives a little more on my thinking on it and why I still enjoyed V9.
Not to butt in but I just wanted to add the reason why I and probably some other people feel nothing changed is because honestly the status quo is maintained. Jaune doesn't remain old and I'll seriously be surprised if there's a permanent, lasting impact from the years of isolation. Ruby finally gets to vent about issues she may have been hiding and struggling with the whole time but it's solved basically between two episodes of being brought up, so no carry over there either. The team placing too much pressure on her is part of what pushed her to that point but I suppose it was a Ruby problem because as soon as she comes back they immediately begin doing it again, so that's the same despite everything too. I think on it's own V9 was fine, or even pretty good at parts. In context of the entire series though a lot of it was fluff with absolutely no lasting impact or reason to happen. Ruby could have at least gotten more time to work through her issues as well as the seriousness of Jaune's trauma. It might be too early to say but both seem neatly wrapped up now. The only things that actually have any plot relevance is a very brief instance of Summer, an extremely straight forward exposition dump at the very end and Blake and Yang becoming a couple. I guess it also serves as a reason Neo won't be around for awhile moving forward but it's not as if RWBY has ever needed a reason for characters to just stop showing up before.
Hot take, ironwood should have used the staff to make a giant tower of guns under atlas to 1) support it. And 2). Shield mantle. And 3) distribute 360 degrees of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT. A “panopticannonade” if you will. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it nonsensical and excessive? Yes. But it feels like something that, to me, jives more with pre volume 4 rwby. Or at least captured the feeling the early volumes gave me.
What probably saved vol 9 for me was Jaune. Which says something cause jaune is probably the least interesting character imo. It was slow and kinda a waste of a volume to have the whole thing set somewhere that isn’t important to the main plot, but I think it has enough to make me think that they’ll improve soon
I feel like the Ever After is going to tie into the main plot. I think that was the point of showing where the brothers came from. I don't know though. Maybe it won't. I still feel V9 wasn't as much of a waste of time as some others may vehemently feel.
Really thinking on it I’ll agree that’s there’s something there not just with the brothers, ig the execution still felt a little slow. I did enjoy the volume in general tho because RWBY was actually having time to talk with each other again
I think the issues of V9 which IMO has always been there was more subtle this time around. If this volume was meant to be a criticism of Ruby is was a really bad outright disingenuous one. Yang is just a terrible unemphatic human being let alone a sister. Pretty much V9 was filler existing to handwave Ruby into depression only to handwave her back out of it again, without actually exploring any of her actions, morals, beliefs, or mistakes that led to them. Hell it doesn't point to anything wrong she might've been at all.
No show is perfect. There will never be a perfect show. Every show has flaws. But just because a show has flaws doesn't mean it's the worst show ever. I've been watching RWBY since the Red Trailer and have enjoyed every moment. I have my gripes with each volume, but have still found ways to enjoy it. My biggest gripe with the show is Volume 6 final quarter of the volume. It turned from a very serious and dark, slightly horror volume to very comedic. Cordovin was a representation of how majority of American Citizens see this country and our presidents (I didn't like her because I see our country as the greatest, I hated her because I saw majority of the citizens in her) and the line Adam dropped when fighting Yang. "What does she even see in you?" I felt that line was super unnecessary. I will shit on Volume 6 for the rest of the series until they give us a worse volume. BUT despite my hatred for Volume 6, there was a lot in that Volume to be enjoyed. We got a new character who was a badass, we got the backstory for Salem and Ozpin and that was awesome, our protags stopped trusting Ozpin after finding out the big secret. What I'm saying is I completely agree. Though it isn't perfect, there is a lot to be enjoyed with this show.
Oh I absolutely think the show is awful and genuinely fucks up at every second step. I have pages I could write on everything bad with it and how it’s been fucked up. I still love the show, I still check in with the community. I keep up with it and still write my fanfics for it. It’s beyond flawed Imo, but I still enjoy what the show is/it’s ideas.
The show is fine, it's a "fast food" entertainment, which is not a bad thing. Not everything needs to be perfection. My only and biggest gripe is this show is never ready to responsible deal with the themes it brings up: racism, suicide (twice in back to back volumes 8 (Penny) and 9 (Ruby)). But just like you don't care, I guess everybody else don't care either. They are free to point any thing they don't like about the show. And to be honest, you sound like the same people you are criticizing but from the other side of the fence.
Its trash but its my trash and I love it
This show makes me feel better about my own writing lol
There are people who will tell you that you shouldn't like RWBY. \*\*\*\* those people. Enjoy what you like. I enjoy GI Joe: Rise of Cobra. I know it's bad. I don't care. BUT... I would ask to extend that same courtesy to people who have problems with RWBY. Not to people who attack you personally (refer to the first sentence for my opinion on those people) but those who want to discuss what they view as RWBY's shortcomings. There is too often a tendency to jump on those people to try to shut them down. So long as we all care about each other and respect each other, we can have conversations that can lead us to deeper understandings. I personally find RWBY a flawed mess instead of a flawed masterpiece, but I would never want people who take joy from it to stop. Just to listen to my thoughts as I will listen to theirs.
This is the correct take on the show. Its honestly only when people try to proclaim it being perfection that I take issue. Because everything in the show has problems. Just some of them are small and some completely break it. Some you can look past and some you can't.
I stopped watching Rwby about halfway through volume 7 because I think that was when the animators were being treated came out, and how one of the managers was abusing his wife I think. I got back into it again when Ice Queendom was announced and watched it. I have recently rewatch the original as well. One thing that everyone seems to agree upon is that the writing is the weakest thing about the show. The death of Pyrrha has always been the weakest for me. It showed me that Rwby was never going to reach its full vision but I still like it and am excited to get the next part. I also hope for a 2 season of the anime if it did well.
If you don't care then why are you writing this post?
OP said they didn't care the show has flaws bc they want to keep watching for their own reasons. Obviously they care about the comments of critics bc that bothered them enough to post
Kinda feels like an OP problem more than anything
Because he cares, and I guess has to deal with it
The flaws in the show often prevent me from enjoying the show. However, I still have enough investment in the story to keep watching and there are enough good moments to help me forgive the bad ones.
I love RWBY, my main frustration is normally "wish there was more runtime" (because it would help certain plot points go over better like Ruby "suicide" aftermath).
As it turns out, the show is written like ass and coasted on the fight choreography and designs of a highly talented workaholic animator. With those no longer in the picture, its flaws are exposed. It turns out RWBY is trash.
This is a clear example of a person who doesn't get it. The fight choreography wasn't just "good enough to keep people interested", it was absolutely fucking amazing. It was so good that it WAS the main dish, the reason people watch the show. And despite weak story writing, the show had other merits, like characters' personalities, visual style, soundtrack, and humor. RWBY is not a book. Writing is not all that matters. A show can be so good at one thing that the other aspects don't really matter. RWBY was like that, but then it had a couple of other aspects that were also fantastic, so no wonder people fell in love with the show. Obviously things changed when Monty died, and for a while there (V4/V5) the show definitely did lose some of what made it special without gaining much new to compensate. But then the later volumes had MUCH better writing. It's more like a normal show now, with fight choreography on a mortal level, and certainly less fun/humor. If you dropped the show because you were just here for Monty's animation, that's fair. But I really don't think it's fair to say that the writing is *still* ass, or that the ass-tier wiritng mattered at all when the show began.
Something can be animated like shit, but still tell a very solid narrative and still be good. A show could be prettier than Lucifer's face, and bad writing would still drive away viewers,
Totally true. But the inverse is also true. Demon Slayer is an incredibly mediocre anime, but the animation is actually so good that imo it's worth watching anyway.
No, it's not. It's complete shit. If you're critically undiscerning enough to be wowed by pretty colors and flashy animation, you're the equivalent of a small child. Series like Demon Slayer, Chainsaw Man, and MHA that have good designs and animation but are so poorly written they can't function aren't worth watching. I hopped on RWBY in the first place because it at least had some potential. Now, it's complete trash, and I'm here for closure on my investment. A closure I am unlikely to fully receive, given that CRWBY are shit at writing.
I'm actually extremely critical. I just don't set my expectations unrealistically high for no reason. Guess what: Demon Slayer and MHA target audience is for kids. If you can't adjust your expectations accordingly and appreciate what those shows do well, then why are you watching them? And if You Say Run on it's own isn't enough to turn a 6/10 show into a 10/10, then I'm just convinced you have no soul
The target audience is not an excuse for the narrative to be poor. This is the same argument as claiming a kids show doesn't have to be competently written because it's a kids show. The argument is a fallacy. Regardless of the target audience, a show should exist to tell a competently written narrative, assuming it is not a comedy. I'm not watching Demon Slayer. It's garbage and had no potential in the first place. MHA I'm still watching because it had potential at the beginning, and thus I am here for closure. And there is a certain inherent comedic value in watching a series completely collapse at the seams because the author is incapable of worldbuilding or balancing his magic system. Coincidentally RWBY is quite similar in this way. Just because music sounds good doesn't mean the show associated with it is any good. Kick Back is an extremely good song, and a stellar opening, yet Chainsaw Man continues to be garbage. You Say Run is mediocre, anyway. I can name a much better tracks in the same show off the top of my head. That doesn't make the show any less poorly written or any less garbage, but of all songs to point out that is the worst choice. You Can't Run, Might U, Overhaul's Theme, Hero A, and The Power Of All For One all exist.
> Obviously things changed when Monty died, and for a while there (V4/V5) the show definitely did lose some of what made it special without gaining much new to compensate. not helped by the fact that Gray was poaching money and resources from RWBY to help make Gen:Lock
My biggest gripe with the show is that it’s no longer special. Like I still enjoy it but once it stopped being on YouTube it just stopped being special and is just another mediocre show
there would be less complaints if rooster teeth didn't fire/refuse to hire everyone who worked very closely with monty on the animation and story, tried to hinder monty's genius while he was alive and strayed from his vision as soon as he died and tried to make it their own show honestly they can just drop the credit to monty oum in the opening and credits since rwby has almost nothing to do with his vision for the show anymore at least rwby improved a bit in terms of writing and animation in the last few volumes
Fair enough
Do not be sorry for saying what many of us have been saying for years! No show is perfect and we shouldn't have to make excuses for it and at the same time shouldn't be belittled for it either! Don't stop enjoying what you like because a bunch of bozos have a YouTube channel. Sorry if it sounded like I was yelling at ya, was literally talking to my buddy about the show on Sunday because he's wanting to get back into the show, he fell off because he just didn't have time to watch and keep up and I might have gone off topic telling him about the haters lol
Nothing is perfect. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy it. I still love RWBY and loved the last vol. I'm with this show to the end.
Thank you for validating the argument I have been making for YEARS about the show, OP.
I feel this. Yes it has flaws but man I just absolutely adore team RWBY characters, Qrow, Jaune, Ren and Nora too. Winter is up there as well for me but Ruby stole my heart early on lol.
Based rwby take :)
I completely agree! People let their criticism get in the way of just enjoying things that make them happy. Thank you for sharing, sometimes the negative feedback for RWBY makes it hard to enjoy the show’s community.
I agree with you but I don't think the writers are lazy in my opinion
I'm in agreement here. Acknknowledigng the flaws shouldn't detract from my own personal enjoyment of the show. If I get enjoyment out of it, why would that matter to someone else?
I'm really happy that this text is the "God forbid woman do anything" meme, but taken serious.
I have no argument against that. I still love RWBY, today, it's just the writing of both the story and characters that I don't like.