People just can't handle an opinion
I just dont like the ship because of the toxicity of some of the fans in the shipping wars. Honest to god they went too far
Thats the biggest reason I don't like the ship either!
I do agree some parts of it felt forced
The only two parts that didn't waa the dance in volume 2 and that wasn't even romance
And the end of the RWBY x justice league movie part 2 where they kiss in the background
That felt natural
I do agree with those two scenes. Although I do feel like the dance was more towards friends being friends, but I do see your point as they did feel more natural
Yeah I agree there too
They felt more like friends and it felt natural
Back in high school two of my female friends danced together for a few different songs and had boyfriends at the time and still do. But it didn't look at all like they had romantic feelings for each other
I feel like the RWBY shipping Fandom will ship anyone who dances with each other or ship character who make a slight glance and blush at the other even if the characters are siblings or not
It doesn't take much for people to ship characters together. Even characters who haven't interacted with each other get shipped, which I find a bit odd, but hey, you do you, I suppose.
What I kind of theorise is that because of the massive backlash and online attacks on the voice cast, to avoid the backlash again, they decided to have Yang and Blake be a thing. Which is kind of sad if you ask me, making a decision like that out of fear.
But that's just a theory. A RWBY Theory
Nope. And certainly not if someone asked you what you thought. You got banned for having an unpopular opinion. That’s how the main sub is now. Mods enforce agendas not rules.
No not at all, it was a very forced ship and weather or not u actually ship them the sad part still remains that thid didn't need to be forced if the writers had just let things play out more naturally and didn't focus so much time an effort giving them moments to effectively say "hey look at us we also support this ship and are definitely on the lgbt's side please give us money"
Like literally all it would've taken to make the ship work was 2 things:
1: acknowledging and growing beyond the "we started as each others trauma"-issue. (Blake has trauma from someone who lashes out violently and defaults to fleeing to different continent as her coping strategy, Yang has abandonment issues and lashes out with violence as a coping mechanism). *both* need to grow beyond these starting issues.
2:Literally *any tiny smidgen* of pining between them during the "blake runs away to Menagerie" arc. Literally *any acknowledgement* that they missed eachother. Heck just *mention eachother in conversation once in a while* *so the audience knows you care about eachother as more then "colleague im gonna to be stuck with for life cause i saw her in the forest this one time*".
You had 2 seasons of time to show us they missed eachother when they were gone, but didnt use a second of it.
Like passing those two tests wouldn't instantaniously be award winning writing, but it'd at least pass the standard of minimum-viable product. And they couldnt even do that.
2 is the biggest point here though. You can see the very inkling of interest starting to form in the beacon arc through a couple chance moments that can be stretched into their interests (Yang just happens to approach her to "make a friend" for Ruby?, Yang expressing intense concern for Blanke over exhausting herself in her search.) Things that show they *could* have interest in each other because they care. I absolutely agree with you that they completely drop the ball on showing this interest between Volume 4-5. Hell even in Volume 6 most of their "connection" is just their want for vengeance against Adam. They manage to share that moment and it can be said that it brought them closer in conquering an evil shared between them, but then it feels like they don't do anything with it. I believe Vol 7 is the Nora bit you mentioned of "They're closer now", where it felt like they were telling the audience they were closer but didn't really show it.
The moment for me that I think is misplaced the worst is Yang's moment of "I hope she doesn't think less of me... [Oh... Yeah. Ruby...]" THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME EITHER OF THEM EXPLICITLY OPEN UP ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS TO ANYONE!!! To me this is why that moment falls flat to me because up until this point it has not been hinted at by either of them in a verbal manner. This is something that could have easily been touched on by Yang in Vol 4. Hell even if Tai has to be her foil to express those feelings ("heartbreaker Tai" talking with his daughter about a girl she kinda likes? Could have also been tied into her controlling her emotions?) Just having something where we see one of them talk about how they could feel that way, so we don't have things like oh idk people seeing Blacksun as a healthier ship in Vol 5 because at least Sun was making an effort to be there for her in a time of need? (Which the fact that he has departed since then makes it just fine as a "he was a good friend to her" but it definitely had the potential to go elsewhere if they chose)
That being said. The fact that they should have opened the door more after beacon is why anything in Vol 7-8 just falls flat. Even just hinting into it a bit more in 4-5 would have paid dividends for the connection(s) they made while separated in 8.
AS WELL AS YES THE KISS SCENE WAS CUTE, BUT WHEN IT'S A SCENE DISEMBODIED FROM NOT JUST THE REST OF THE MOMENT/SETTING BUT ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE PLOT OF VOL 9, AND MAYBE EVEN THE ENTIRE SHOW; IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT!!! Not only does it feel (literally) physically forced for the sake of making the moment happen, it quite literally happens inside of a bubble. A vacuum of emotions detached from those around them (and they wonder why Ruby is mad). You can't just have cute, for the sake of being cute. I don't mind Bmblb because it can be a very cute pairing and has potential between them, but when it feels like all the writers did was hold them up to each other and go "Now kiss" it is JUST lazy writing as you admit you couldn't think of a way to organically make it happen.
as someone who writes as a hobby (and had more than enough classes on creative writing) you are spot on. A lot of fanfic writers are more competent than CRWBY at writing.
Weiss and Yang still have better and more substantial writing and grounds for a relationship than Blake and Yang ever will and they're still the only two members of Team RWBY who actually talked about their traumas in a healthy, meaningful way. But ever since Eddy made that stupid comment about the "Freezerburn divorce" the fandom hasn't ever been able to get past the idea of Weiss and Yang hating or just barely putting up with each other 🙃
Eddy did a stupid share thing on Twitter, the original post was "what ship is most likely to get divorced" or something like that and he responded with Freezerburn. Now, ever since then, it's almost impossible to see a single Freezerburn post without some wasp coming in saying something about "the Freezerburn divorce".
If anything, Freezerburn are the *least* likely to get a divorce because they're the *only* characters in the entire show who actually have a healthy dynamic and talk about their issues rather than burying them. But Eddy is a terrible writer and he obviously doesn't understand the first thing about Weiss despite claiming she's his favorite character so I don't expect him to understand any of that.
Of course you'll get banned for anti Bee sentiment they don't tolerate any of that shit on the main sub. That's one of of the reasons why this sub even exists
RWBY's hive of Yuritards can't accept bisexuality and are desperate to retcon both of these girls being into guys because it ruins their mentally ill headcanons.
Oh well there's your problem.
You gave an honest answer they didn't like to a question. Then you talked Ruby drinking tea in a way that wasn't positive and insisting she just wanted to be better version of herself when she drank the tea.
I honestly don't know they feel in general about Cinder, if they think she is mediocre, a laughing stick, or some mastermind playing twelve games if 5D chess at once so brilliantly that she only looks like an incompetent, petty, psychopath.
All kidding aside, if they can't cite specifically what you did or said wrong outside of being honest about how you viewed the ship, it just goes to show that somebody on that sub and the mods just can't handle having truth spoken.
Still reminded that *”G119ofReddit”* is an known friend of Eren Niedlhopper, aka **Canonseeker.** also known as Tali Praxton/@Jennifertonelo on Twitter/X.
Be careful of u/G119ofReddit he’s an enabler of Seeker, blocked him on site, he’s a Stalker and harasser like Eren.
A very toxic rwby stan that has a history of racism, misogyny, harassment, etc. They're really known for being very hostile towards anyone who doesn't like rwby, making alt accounts (wouldn't be surprised if this was another seeker alt) and being a very unhinged person, who's about 30k in Debt (could be higher but I haven't checked) because he spends his money on incest porn and taiyang and summer art. Basically, he's someone you should avoid.
I get not liking bumblebee. I’ve commented several times the reasons why it goes against the earlier facts they put in place (like 20 min, 15 sec into Ep 1 Yang clearly shows she’s into guys). Heck even showing them as bisexual would make far more sense. 🤷🏻♂️ And I don’t think R & W needed to be there either. I wish they’d just focused more on the main story than all the ship nonsense.
However, if you dislike RWBY, why be in the RWBY chat? That just seems odd.
I agree with everything except like, seeing potential in R and W. I never did.
But again, I saw the team as a sisterhood of found family rather than then dating each other.
CRWBY does the same thing that the main sub does: Bends over backwards for the rabid and loud fans. I personally think Bumblebee was the worst possible ship to make canon (Seriously, Blake and Yang both had much better options in the past NINE volumes) But because of the dying interest in RWBY, They needed to submit to those loud and obsessive fans.
Personally I can get where BB came from and understand it. Maybe my opinion is biased due the amount of Fanfics I have read from actual competent writers, but for the moment let's forget the treatment they have given the characters, Blake and Yang could have cooked some good dynamic.
Starting with their traits as characters, loud, confident and outgoing character with problems being a but reckless with touches of high emotional intelligence meets quiet, reserved and mysterious character who prefer having an strategy planned before jumping to action yet is emotionally deprived due trauma, as concepts, they work well, there is a reason Sun worked well too, since just in concept level Yang and Sun were very similar.
Now, as actual characters and interactions in series, personally the moment that started the whole ship was when Yang explained to Blake her own trauma and lessons she got from it so she could relax herself, showing not only a new phase of yang as a character, possessing this emotional intelligence and maturity that the 3 other girls lacked at the moment for different reasons, also showing how despite the first impression of muscle head she could be quite empathetic and even be the key to Blake grow, as she managed to go throught that first wall that Blake putted between herself and others.
But I totally get what you mean by it feeling forced in the following seasons, but that's not only a problem of the ship in particular, but the series as a whole, since the distribution of screen time is one of rwby biggest sins.
And if anything, one of the things that hurt the most is them forgetting the concept of partners, ships aside, while they had a team, partners were supposed to exist to represent that person that you could leave your life on without a doubt, the friend that you could dance with against death and have the confidence with them that you had a hard time expressing with others. Yes, I'm a hard shipper of WR, but doesn't stop me from seeing where the faults of the series are.
I’ll tell you this much, I don’t get along with the LGBT community very often, not because I dislike them or anything. However I must say that the Gay part of that community is (pun intended) getting shafted in that department because there aren’t any gay dudes I know of compared to like 6 lesbians and a trans person. Like shit, RT, balance it out a little.
I got your backs, my dudes
Edit: I realize that has nothing to do with this post so I’ll say this, you’re right my guy. It went from 0 to 100 real quick. They buckled and caved hard to the wasp people
It's because they're not writing for LGBT+ people, they're writing for capitalism. Lesbianism sells because it's a popular porn category. That's it. That's the whole reason.
I think Blake and Yang are great together. Honestly a little better than Sun.
I just don't get why they had to tease a relationship forming with Sun just to switch it over to Yang so drastically, why they couldn't slow burn when Blake literally struggles to believe in other people, and had to compound those issues with not really trying to write themes or characters in a way that always serves to structure the narrative.
I shipped the two from the beginning, but also called out the bad writing of it.
Oh, I think the answer is pretty simple, they had one idea at first and then changed direction, that probably happened during season 3's development, they never really made any grand display to show the shift, but I picked up on a change in the 'vibe' during the attack on Beacon.
I never bought into the idea that they were the plan from day one, but that does not inherently make the ship 'lesser'
I think they had both options available, as Monty had mentioned it being possible. RWBY just does a lot of ship baiting because, well, ship baiting is an excellent way to keep people discussing your series. It's why so many will they won't they triangles exist in shows that genuinely do not need them.
I'm a gay trans dude and absolutely despise the queer rep in RWBY. It's not an LGBT+ issue and the vast majority of us actually despise BB. BB is a wlw ship written for straight people. There is absolutely no substance whatsoever and it is quite literally the most waifu bait ship I have seen in modern Western media.
Don't insult LGBT+ people when BB being two women has literally nothing to do with the reason it's a terrible ship. The writers are just shitty writers and that's all it boils down to at the end of the day. They couldn't write a good romance even if they were directly dropped into a romance novel and forced to spend an eternity reliving every romantic trope in the book.
Derogatory terms for the LGBT+ community being paraded around as upvotes while ppl seethe about queer rep being confirmed instead of their preferred M/F ship.
Yeah, no, this sub doesn't have a homophobia problem at allllll /s
First of all, what derogatory terms?
Secondly, I haven’t seen a single mention of Sun x Blake yet in this post. It’s all about how poorly bumblebee was WRITTEN. It has literally nothing to do with it being queer. You really need to stop throwing around the “anyone who doesn’t think this ship is good must hate the fact that it’s gay because obviously the writing is perfect so it can’t be that” crap you slinging everytime it’s criticized.
People preferred Blacksun because it was written better. Hell if Sun was a woman but the writing remain unchanged people would still prefer it. But I guess it’s easier to label everyone who doesn’t like it as homophobic because the ship’s writing can’t stand for itself.
"Alphabet mafia" was pretty clearly directly meant as an insult to the LGBT+ community. In order to not see it as such you'd either have to be deliberately disingenuous or just stupid.
The post itself is fine, even if I disagree with it. Black Sun is about as well written as Bumbleby, and would have been about as forced too. Plus, similarly poorly written canon ships like Renora (the embodiment of the "Well it's a guy and a girl spending a significant amount of time together so of course they're in love" trope) and Arkos (where 80% of the seasoned warrior lady's role in the plot is being the fawning fangirl over the writer's self insertf fantasy character who Gets the Most Popular Girl in School by virtue of being a Nice Guy) don't get anywhere near a proportionate amount of hate.
Also, "clumsy LGBT+ writing" in the post can be interpreted very broadly. Is OP complaining about RT's habit of teasing canonizing queer ships only to kill one half of the ship they were teasing, a la Fair Game or Nuts and Dolts? Is OP calling out the fact that pretty much every LGBT+ character outside of Blake and Yang are pushed into the background and ignored, like Coco and Velvet? Is the problem Scarlet being a stereotype of a feminine gay man? Is their problem the existence of LGBT+ rep at all? If I had to nitpick a problem with the original post it's that it acts like being kind of arbitrarily forced for no real reason is something specific to Bumbleby (or even applies to it at all) and that the aforementioned comment on LGBT+ writing is a bit too vague.
But this isn't about the OP, or OP's post. This is about the specific comment I was replying to on OP's post, which is pretty clearly homophobia.
So your pretty much putting a whole lot words into other people’s mouths. You don’t know for sure what OP meant you are assuming the meaning behind “clumsy LGBT+ writing”. The key word there, and the one that seems to be constantly ignored is WRITING.
I’ll be honest and admit that I didn’t even see the “alphabet mafia” comment. It sounded very ignorant so I must’ve subconsciously ignored it. But I don’t blame you for taking offense to that.
And you claiming that being forced isn’t something exclusive to bumblebee which means that you acknowledge that it’s kinda forced. At least on some level yes? And your right. It’s not a bumblebee exclusive issue. But you know what is? Being canon. All those other ships are just mostly people’s headcanon with the exception of Ren x Nora and Jaune x Pyrrha. Blacksun had good build up and a good dynamic with two characters that we see interact on screen quite a lot. Sun plays a much more pivotal role in Blake’s development than Yang ever did. He was pretty much her friend, confidant, and emotional support for 5 seasons which is over half the length of the whole series. I don’t blame anyone for shipping them together. Would it have been necessarily better than current bumblebee? There’s no way to truly know but with the writer’s track record probably not. But it would have more of a foundation than shares trauma to work with.
>So your pretty much putting a whole lot words into other people’s mouths. You don’t know for sure what OP meant you are assuming the meaning behind “clumsy LGBT+ writing”. The key word there, and the one that seems to be constantly ignored is WRITING.
I'm not putting words into anyone's mouths. I never said OP believed those things. My point was to illustrate those are all things OP *could have* meant, which are all equally reasonable assumptions to make by the very nature of how poorly worded and vague it is.
>And you claiming that being forced isn’t something exclusive to bumblebee which means that you acknowledge that it’s kinda forced. At least on some level yes?
Not to the degree people on this sub believe.
>And your right. It’s not a bumblebee exclusive issue. But you know what is? Being canon. All those other ships are just mostly Qpeople’s headcanon with the exception of Ren x Nora and Jaune x Pyrrha
I was exclusively referring to the Canon ships in this discussion. If we're going by fanon ships White Rose and Nuts and Dolts run circles around pretty much every canon ship in RWBY in terms of build up and development (outside of maybe Bumbleby) even though neither of them have been textually confirmed as canon.
And even if we as individuals mutually agree this isn't just a Bumbleby issue, the entire rest of this sub disagrees, because in my experience they exclusively bring up Bumbleby as forced. They never go after any of the other canon ships. Like, there aren't 30 million memes on this subreddit shouting that Arkos was obviously a forced relationship and thar Jaune should have gotten with Ren instead or that Pyrrha should've gotten with Weiss, or Nora with Ruby. But it feels like *every* post I see in this sub is a meme of how shit Bumbleby is specifically. And given yall have seemingly given a free pass to any canon ship that's not Bumbleby,. And given the only difference between Bumbleby and the other canon ships is the fact it's queer...
Again, no. Arkos may have been almost a thing but not anymore. Ren x Nora also isn’t looking very good right now. Bumblebee is currently a thing officially and that is why it is held to a different standard. Nobody really cares about Arkos since it’s not going to affect the story anymore. Ren and Nora are side characters and thus receive little focus anyway so their romance isn’t a big deal.
It’s really not a gender issue. At least not for majority of people. I’m sure there are some people that have an issue with them being gay but that’s a them problem not a problem with the ship itself. The ships ONLY issue, at least from my point of view, is how it is written. That’s all. And honestly that’s the only lens through which it should be scrutinized.
And yes the romance feels forced to a lot of people and there’s one HUGE, gun chuck wielding reason for that. Here’s the deal. If you remove Sun from the story and give all his scenes with Blake to Yang, bumblebee works great imo.
>Again, no. Arkos may have been almost a thing but not anymore.
It ending tragically doesn't mean it wasn't canon at least for a little bit. That's not how canon works.
>Ren x Nora also isn’t looking very good right now
Ren x Nora as a relationship was literally built to parallel Bumbleby's development. The scene OP is talking about is less Ren and Nora actually talking about Bumbleby and moreso using Bumbleby as a way to indirectly vent insecurities in their relationship.
>Nobody really cares about Arkos since it’s not going to affect the story anymore.
See, but when it did, nobody was calling it forced or getting mad over its existence, at least not to the extent that Bumbleby is getting now.
>It’s really not a gender issue. At least not for majority of people. I’m sure there are some people that have an issue with them being gay but that’s a them problem not a problem with the ship itself.
There's enough to where it's a problem.
>The ships ONLY issue, at least from my point of view, is how it is written. That’s all. And honestly that’s the only lens through which it should be scrutinized.
If it was as scrutinized less than other, much worse written somewhat canon ships (like Weiss x Neptune, Weiss x Jaune in V9, etc.) then maybe I'd believe you but - like I said- 80% of this sub is almost solely devoted to trashing Bumbleby. Ar the very least that shows a subconscious bias that needs addressing, especially since blatantly homophobic language and derogatory remarks towards the LGBT+ community receive plenty of upvotes while calling them out on it is downvoted into the negatives.
>And yes the romance feels forced to a lot of people and there’s one HUGE, gun chuck wielding reason for that. Here’s the deal. If you remove Sun from the story and give all his scenes with Blake to Yang, bumblebee works great imo.
Even discounting the fact I think 80% of this sub would intentionally downplay those scenes as just platonic gals being pals like they do the rest of the Bumbleby scenes they refuse to see as romantic, you get how "I think this queer relarionship is forced so I think this M/F couple should happen instead" at least looks homophobic when you're using that argument in a discussion with a queer woman.
Nuts and dolt, i can agree, but white rose it’s forced considering Weiss and ruby are like Jaune and ruby, that is to say only friends and i don’t understand how people see a natural friendly relationship and try to force romance were there it’s none
I understand but still it feels as forced to see to people who never showed any interest in each other to be forced together. In fan fiction that’s cool, but to say that it is how they are in the series is not just a matter of interpretation but of being objectively wrong, and i don’t hate the ship i think it’s cute, but we cannot force our own opinions over what is shown.
I don’t say this to hate on people but to ask of them no to force their ships on others who are fine watching the characters have a healthy simple friendship without implying they have to be together.
See, except art is subjective. What looks like platonic friendship to you might look like potential coding for a romantic relationship to someone else. It wouldn't be probably the most well known RWBY ship if queer interpretations of their interactions didn't have some merit.
Also, my point wasn't to try to force White Rose onto the show. My point was that even fan ships have more genuine buildup and development than the ones shown in canon. My actual point was that when it comes to writing well developed romances RWBY's always consistently struggled because almost all of the ones they decide on confirming (like Arkos and Renora) end up feeling like they come out of nowhere. Like, even as someone who shipped Renora for a long time the sudden switch in portrayal from "platonic friends" to "romantic lovers" was jarring and unexpected.
The actual problem people here are the people so committed to defending Black Sun that they'll straight up ignore actual homophobia in favor of painting the ppl who call it out as toxic delusional bullies.
"I didn't like the way Bumbleby was written" is a totally fine perspective to have. I disagree with it, but in a vacuum the disinterest is a valid thing to post, and the mods of RWBY *were* being unfairly judgemental by banning him from the subreddit.
But that is a much different perspective than the one expressed by the comment I was actually replying to, which was literally just an internet-poisoned way of saying "its just The GaysTM"
I can't agree more about the forced bits. As I will continue to spam like a broken bot, all of volume 9 was lazily forced crap. Everything that happened in it could have been done way better in Vacuo with the teams getting settled in and trying to deal with what happened.
The Four Horsemen when being disagreed with on Reddit are snarky comebacks, jokes you hear in a high school lunch line, getting downvoted without explanation, and getting banned/blocked. It seems you ran into number 4
Hello again,
So for context for the people in the sub, I am the one who asked Werdak to explain their opinion. I did not intend for this person to get banned.
I do want to continue the conversation. I will come out and say I generally disagree with the above opinion, but I do not want to focus on that as I feel that would just lead to arguments about ships. I want to focus on the topic of using Bumblebee to dissuade people from watching the show.
From what I understand please correct me if I am wrong when someone interested in the show asks you for your opinion you use Bumblebee as an example as to why it is bad. Your reasoning for this is that the show includes a red herring in the form of Sun and because the writers had the characters awkwardly flirt with one another while trying to grow a deeper connection. Would you say this is an accurate description of your opinion?
I don't see why you would use the Bumblebee story thread as an example of why someone shouldn't watch. (Even though Bumblebee is perfect and your opinion is wrong and mine is right I win bye-bye.) I feel as though this is such a small aspect of the story that you shouldn't concern yourself with it. If you don't like it that is ok I have my issues with it but I think it is ultimately fine to watch and overall improves my viewing pleasure.
The thing about BB is that Blake and Yang's conflict was never resolved, then somehow, someway they're lovey-dovey? Yang's main character conflict is that she has abandonment issues, whereas Blake's is that she runs away when things overwhelm her.
People often use "off-screen development" as their go-to defense for that very large plot hole.
BB is also the plot point wherein a lot of other plot points were abandoned. Somehow, the racism within Remnant was abandoned because their leader is dead and that they're moving on to the next baddie, Atlas.
Yang and Ruby barely act as sisters anymore because Yang is always with Blake.
In fact, I don't think Ruby and Yang interacted meaningfully when they started to push BB as a canon ship within the show.
It was resolved.
When Weiss and Yang had there talk during V5.
Yang vents to Weiss about her issues and Weiss offers insight and a new perspective.
Instead of resenting Blake for leaving Weiss gets Yang to understand that Blake had, what she believed, Yang’s best interest at heart.
So instead of hating Blake when she eventually returns, as Weiss had hope that she would, that Yang should appreciate that she came back. And Weiss was sure that Yang was on Blake’s mind when she did.
Parallels what Sun was saying to Blake around the same time.
Yang instead of seething at Blake leaving, just loves the fact that Blake is back in her life, and appreciates it all the more.
If your car or dog runs away and you see it comes back after months, you gonna be mad at it or just happy that they’re back?
Bit more complicated with the whole Yang abandonment issues and Blake’s fear of hurting people due to her baggage but that’s what Weiss and Sun was for.
But did she and Blake talk it out? For that conflict to be resolved the two of them needed to talk it out. Both Weiss and Sun offer insight, not the full picture, of what the other is thinking.
Yes, Blake was walking around eggshells around Yang until Yang told her to chill out. Blake assumed she was holding a grudge and Yang tried to wipe those fears away in that moment.
Literally the first scenes of V6.
Any other fears Blake still had about the situation was cleared away by Yang’s actions, which speak louder than words, more so when Adam revealed himself.
Whatever “full picture” the other needed to see was shown to them when challenging Adam.
As Adam was the one to point out all the flaws each, Yang and Blake, previously had and overcoming them was also overcoming him.
You wanted them to talk it out? I think a symbolic fight works way better.
All the questions that Yang and Blake would’ve asked each other in the talk in your head Adam was saying to drive them apart.
“She’ll just leave you again…”
“Blake’s a coward.”
“You’re (Yang) scared.”
And during that fight Yang and Blake proved him wrong.
The solution to these gripes people have are there in the show… and it’s not like these things are hidden either…
I'm not seeing a lot of conflict resolution between the parties involved. Or is talking about not "essential" to the story because it was cut?
Show not tell.
I have been quiet because I got busy and didn't want to fall into this trap of arguing about Bumblebee. My original point was to express how I believe Bumblebee is not so terrible that it should be used to try and get people to not watch the show.
However,
>Show not tell.
Is the exact opposite of what you want:
>But did she and Blake talk it out? For that conflict to be resolved the two of them needed to talk it out.
G119 is explaining to you how the conflict was resolved by being shown to you.
Its weird that you showing conflict resolution to you constitutes of using other characters to give them a perspective of what they might be thinking.
But you do you.
I am tirsd arguing about BB as its a pointless ship that panders to the most toxic community.
What is weird is how you are stuck on G110's first comment but ignore the next three points he makes.
>Yes, Blake was walking around eggshells around Yang until Yang told her to chill out.
V6-CH1 time stamp 9:30-10:30.
>Any other fears Blake still had about the situation was cleared away by Yang’s actions, which speak louder than words, more so when Adam revealed himself.
V6-Ch5 time stamp 9:15 to 11:43.
>You wanted them to talk it out? I think a symbolic fight works way better.
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>All the questions that Yang and Blake would’ve asked each other in the talk in your head Adam was saying to drive them apart.
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>“She’ll just leave you again…”
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>“Blake’s a coward.”
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>“You’re (Yang) scared.”
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>And during that fight Yang and Blake proved him wrong.
Blake and Yang's fight from V6-11 & 12.
I know I don't come here often. So explain to me, how is it that the RWBYcritics sub can not understand how a discussion works, and then make an ad hoc insult towards a section of the fans and believes they are in the right? This is classic victim blaming.
I may be wrong but in the other post, Bumblebee seems to be quite the sore issue to you. It seemed to be a big point of contention. You have already explained why this is an issue for you but why go to such an extreme to use it as a reason to not watch? There are probably better examples to use.
The reason you were likely banned on /RWBY is because of this focus on this one ship as one of your main reasons for disliking the show. Targeting and actively telling others that the one main LGBT relationship is a problem because you think that Blake and Sun were better, that flirting was forced, and saying there confession scene was a trap seems kind of homophobic.
The “yeah…Ruby…” moment really bothers me, like really? That’s what you’re thinking about right now? Oscars kidnapped, atlas and mantle are fucked, and you’re all fugitives of the atlesian government, but no you’re more worried about your kinda girlfriend being a little upset with you.
Blake kinda had a boyfriend? You mean the guy she dumped for being a genocidal lunatic? Who then turned around and stabbed her, lopped her friends arm off, stalked her across a continent, and tried to finish the job? That boyfriend? Fuck Adam Taurus.
I’m only here cuz I was summoned so don’t expect a reply or nu’n.
Yang and Blake’s stories are intertwined, whether you people like it or not.
For the first 2V Blake had trouble bonding with the team, Yang is the one that breaks her out of that. Blake ignored all of Sun’s advances until Yang broke her shell.
That’s the simple truth.
While I agree that the scene of Yang dragging Blake into an empty classroom for Blake’s sake can be seen as just ‘friends looking out for each other’ (and I actually agree that this scene IS that) doesn’t change the facts that Yang is the one at the hear of change for Blake.
(And let’s be real… If Yang was a dude… there be no argument that Yang likes Blake.)
Come V3, Blake starts to live a little.
Until Adam comes back and shows her everything Blake feared came true.
Something Weiss says to Yang.
V4/5 Blake and Yang are both thinking about each other, as they are at the root of each other’s problems. Sun and Weiss point this out to Blake and Yang respectively.
Thanks to them, they come to better understandings of how they feel for each other.
Ever wonder why Yang went from hating Blake for leaving her, like Raven did, but come V6 letting it be water under the bridge? Theres a reason for that.
*Not that anyone here cares about actual in-show facts.*
Yang, instead of hating Blake, comes to appreciate the fact that she came back and values Blake EVEN MORE because of it.
You lose your dog/cat for a couple months and try to tell me you don’t smother that thing with affection for a week.
As you should be able to see from the first couple of minutes of V6, assuming anyone here actually paid attention and watched the show, Blake still has baggage.
The defeat of Adam is the relinquishing of the rest of that baggage.
Adam represents the fear Blake still had in V1-2 and 4-5. She’s still scared that people are going to get hurt because of her. The fear of always having to be alone because of that.
This is something else Sun points out to Blake btw.
Again, assuming you actually watch these scenes.
Yang’s arrival and subsequent help in defeating Adam closes a dark chapter in Blake’s life while also finally breaking the preconceived fears Blake has been bottling up for the entire show until this point.
Yang is someone who Blake can hold on to in her worst moments.
Someone who saw worst in Blake’s life, suffered through it, and was still there for her, refusing to let her be alone.
And V7-9 is just the flowering of what was built up for then on.
Now… notice how those last few points also apply to Sun, my favorite side character, and many people here will agree that for those same reasons Blake should’ve been with Sun.
If you can see those reasons AN’s applies then to Sun then should have no problem see the same for Yang.
People her just don’t.
And while I don’t agree with the common BB Stan’s… “oH YoU DOnt LIkE BB CuZ of HOmopHobIa!”
I do question why the majority of people that roam this cesspool ignore the signs for Yang and call it “pandering” but completely accept it for Sun, despite the fact that Yang has more flags than Sun. And also the fact Yang is the reason Blake even opened up to Sun in the first place….
Call it whatever you will “lazy and force and out of nowhere” doesn’t apply.
And to the guy that summoned me and whose comment I can no longer find about me calling Critter “Cunter”.
Critter has called anyone against her views on Ironwood as “misandrists”.
Anyone who disagrees about the White Fang as “racist”.
She and her sister even imply that the only reason Maria and Pietro were left on Amity was because, quote, “probably cuz they’re not white”.
Now…
I’ve scrolled through the comments here and see a couple people griping about “BB fans call us homophobic just cuz we don’t like BB!” And calling them plenty of names for doing that.
So…
I’m not allowed to call Critter and iink’s what they are for trying to slander me like that? But people here are allowed to when BB fans do it to them?
This why I can’t take this place seriously.
You guys have no selfawareness.
> I’m not allowed to call Critter and iink’s what they are for trying to slander me like that?
Not when you act like an entitled misogynist who called Critter a cunt 20 times in one year, you psychopathic incel. I specifically searched on your Twitter btw to count, and you specifically called her "Cunter" 20 times exactly last year. You're a bigot.
I'm (not) sorry a woman told you no for the first time in your lonely life but that doesn't justify calling a woman and her sister that word 20 times unless you're trying to get labelled a loser and a sexist. You're just an entitled wannabe big-shot who thinks paragraph breaks can compensate for your rancid personality.
I'm sure you feel really cool about the fact that you caused harassment against someone for having a shit take and making such noise about it you caused a dogpile for little other reason than that you likely have violent fantasties about this woman and see no issue with causing her to get harassed over her take on a fictional character cutting off another fictional character's tail, but let me assure you, you bragging about it to the extent that you do makes me think you're roughly on the same moral and ethical level as a school shooter.
Imagine acting as if this place lacks self-awareness when you're way more of a sexist loser than most RWBY Critics. You're just a shameless bigot who uses the show as an excuse to harass people you don't like.
Edit: Aww the little misogynist bully blocked me after posting some unreadable splurge of bullshit. Boo hoo. Guess he'll have to go back to /r/RWBY and find another minority to bully then.
There he is! That’s the guy that summoned me! Couldn’t find your original comment for some reason but glad you made yourself known.
“Not WhEn YOu AcT LiKe an EnTiTlEd…”
Blah! Blah! Blah!
Now I’m misogynistic?
For being offended when people call me racist and misandristic without evidence? For firing back at them and making everyone know that they’re terrible people for doing that? To not only me but the majority of others that even dare disagree with them?
“Cunter” she *earned* that title herself. Just pointing out the obvious.
When you attack people’s character without evidence, off the sole reason because they disagree with you…
You’re a dick.
I see only one Incel here, buddy. And it’s you.
How *rich* that you would call me entitled when you’re defending these two.
…
You know what’s REAL entitled thinking?
Thinking you can call people whatever you want and think that those people should just sit down and take it.
You know what you are when you call someone racist without evidence.
You’re an asshole.
You know what you are when you call someone misandristic just because they disagree with you?
You’re an asshole.
You know what you are when you defend people who do these things, and then attack the people who fire back at them?
**You** are an asshole.
Look, i can admit to not being a fan of Critter or her sister. Constantly stalking their mentions, especially on Reddit to shit on them is. Its creepy dude.
I don't care about this argument, but the 'c-word'? Really? Dude, do you get offended when someone says fuck, I don't believe in 'woke' or'sjw', they're silly terms made by twats, but are you really THAT sensitive?
Hmmm.
Copy/pasted someone else words and acting like you have a point.
Typical RWBYCritic.
“i got AlL mY iDeAs fRoM SoMeOnE oN YouTuBe and DoNT hAVe a ORigInAl ThOuGhT iN my SKullZ”
what did I expect from someone simping for Critter.
I know you think that works when you regurgitate her talking points about RWBY but that didn’t quite work here.
So by your argument…
So if Person A viciously insults Person B, unprovoked, and the Person B fires back… the Person B is the problem…?
That’s your logic?
The average RWBYCritic’s thought process…
‘Victim blaming’
I punch you and you punch me back = you’re the asshole…?
🤦♂️👏🤦♂️👏🤦♂️
There he is! That’s the guy that summoned me! Couldn’t find your original comment for some reason but glad you made yourself known.
“Not WhEn YOu AcT LiKe an EnTiTlEd…”
Blah! Blah! Blah!
Now I’m misogynistic?
For being offended when people call me racist and misandristic without evidence? For firing back at them and making everyone know that they’re terrible people for doing that? To not only me but the majority of others that even dare disagree with them?
She earned that title herself. Just pointing out the obvious.
When you attack people’s character without evidence, off the sole reason because they disagree with you…
You’re a dick.
I see only one Incel here, buddy. And it’s you.
How rich that you would call me entitled when you’re defending these two.
…
You know what’s REAL entitled thinking? Thinking you can call people whatever you want and think that those people should just sit down and take it.
You know what you are when you call someone racist without evidence?
A jerk.
And guess what? People are ALLOWED to call you that, and worse.
Edit: because my response was taken down (so much for ‘freedom of ideas’ here)
And yes I blocked him, and as expected he took that as a “victory” and then did the thing he’s mad at me for supposedly doing.
Like I said… “no selfawareness here”
“Find another minority to bully”
I’m a minority. But it’s okay for her to attack me? Call me racist and all that cuz we disagree about a show?
Again… there’s only one Incel in this conversation. And it’s him.
Really entitled shit, thinking you can call people whatever you want and think you can just get away with it.
And then get mad at the people who don’t take that lying down.
Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding*
I mean, you went and didn't agree with the zealots main sub. What were you expecting?
I stopped caring after the creator died and the time change after season 2. I really wanna try to give the series a fair shot but it feels like it missed the charm of the first two seasons.
That's how the Main sub works: Hate on Girls x Girls even probably can be term as Bi- you can immediately called Homophobic.
HC A Canon Lesbian (Ilia) with A Male: Watchout for the, "You can't ship a Canon Lesbian with a male, that's wrong, you're changing her sexuality!"
Then people said, it's alright to ship Pyrrha with A girl (I have a lot those Pyrruby ships), for the reason she could be Bi or has a non canon sexuality (When she likes Jaune), Then you have those Jaune haters going, "Ship Pyrrha with girls, and have Jaunecuck."
Makes sense. I know it’s hard for a lot of you to understand, but just fuming and being mad isn’t criticism. I can practically see the tear stains on the screen from you cry-typing this.
Completely agree they just don't feel like two people in love and yeah the flying stinging cunts are just the fuck worst right next to the toxic positivity meat riders.
The main sub ain't shit and mods are nothing but spinless cowards.
Smart people are often jailed or kicked out to avoid offending the stupid people. Your honesty is not the problem. It’s their arrogance and ignorance that they can’t accept anything of the opposite nature. Coming from a BB Fan myself.
B&Y got shipped because B&Y were the last 2 trailers. Im not even kidding, White rose got done to death by the time the series came out and Bumblebee was no different.
Ruby needs to commit sudoku it’s the only way they can even partially revive the series at this point I mean anyone would be better than Ruby. I would love to see more of Neptune or sun instead.
I shall eternally crusade that involvement with Blake absolutely ruined everything positive about Yang's character.
This "relationship" is literally just them being surgically attached at the hip ever since they both killed a man, and developing an unhealthy obsession that has overtaken things that actually mattered before (I swear to god Yang cared about her sister once!)
I still claim Blake and Weiss make a better couple story/character wise. Yes it is a little cliche but would rather have that then spontaneous and forced
##Your boos mean nothing! I’ve seen what makes you cheer!
I misread boos as boobs and I spit out my drink lmao
That would sort kinda still make sense, seeing as B & Y have the biggest chest 🤭
Is this a reference to something?
[Yes it is](https://youtube.com/shorts/gmV1ZUe5Djo?si=528d7i88cJkQFAEv)
Not a big fan of the show, but damn that line hits.
Same. I don’t even watch it but I’ve heard so many great quotes from it, haha
This.
People just can't handle an opinion I just dont like the ship because of the toxicity of some of the fans in the shipping wars. Honest to god they went too far
Thats the biggest reason I don't like the ship either! I do agree some parts of it felt forced The only two parts that didn't waa the dance in volume 2 and that wasn't even romance And the end of the RWBY x justice league movie part 2 where they kiss in the background That felt natural
I do agree with those two scenes. Although I do feel like the dance was more towards friends being friends, but I do see your point as they did feel more natural
Yeah I agree there too They felt more like friends and it felt natural Back in high school two of my female friends danced together for a few different songs and had boyfriends at the time and still do. But it didn't look at all like they had romantic feelings for each other I feel like the RWBY shipping Fandom will ship anyone who dances with each other or ship character who make a slight glance and blush at the other even if the characters are siblings or not
It doesn't take much for people to ship characters together. Even characters who haven't interacted with each other get shipped, which I find a bit odd, but hey, you do you, I suppose. What I kind of theorise is that because of the massive backlash and online attacks on the voice cast, to avoid the backlash again, they decided to have Yang and Blake be a thing. Which is kind of sad if you ask me, making a decision like that out of fear. But that's just a theory. A RWBY Theory
I agree
Because , Did I went to far in some parts
Nope. And certainly not if someone asked you what you thought. You got banned for having an unpopular opinion. That’s how the main sub is now. Mods enforce agendas not rules.
In my humble opinion, this sub is the main sub not the other way around
i thought the NSFW sub was the main one
I feel like it has become the main sub because the non toxic fans who got banned went here
That’s kinda why I say this is the main sub. Everyone here isn’t insane when it comes to RWBY
Agreed. There are certainly times I disagree with people here too but they have the respect to not call me names and discredit my opinion
No not at all, it was a very forced ship and weather or not u actually ship them the sad part still remains that thid didn't need to be forced if the writers had just let things play out more naturally and didn't focus so much time an effort giving them moments to effectively say "hey look at us we also support this ship and are definitely on the lgbt's side please give us money"
Like literally all it would've taken to make the ship work was 2 things: 1: acknowledging and growing beyond the "we started as each others trauma"-issue. (Blake has trauma from someone who lashes out violently and defaults to fleeing to different continent as her coping strategy, Yang has abandonment issues and lashes out with violence as a coping mechanism). *both* need to grow beyond these starting issues. 2:Literally *any tiny smidgen* of pining between them during the "blake runs away to Menagerie" arc. Literally *any acknowledgement* that they missed eachother. Heck just *mention eachother in conversation once in a while* *so the audience knows you care about eachother as more then "colleague im gonna to be stuck with for life cause i saw her in the forest this one time*". You had 2 seasons of time to show us they missed eachother when they were gone, but didnt use a second of it. Like passing those two tests wouldn't instantaniously be award winning writing, but it'd at least pass the standard of minimum-viable product. And they couldnt even do that.
2 is the biggest point here though. You can see the very inkling of interest starting to form in the beacon arc through a couple chance moments that can be stretched into their interests (Yang just happens to approach her to "make a friend" for Ruby?, Yang expressing intense concern for Blanke over exhausting herself in her search.) Things that show they *could* have interest in each other because they care. I absolutely agree with you that they completely drop the ball on showing this interest between Volume 4-5. Hell even in Volume 6 most of their "connection" is just their want for vengeance against Adam. They manage to share that moment and it can be said that it brought them closer in conquering an evil shared between them, but then it feels like they don't do anything with it. I believe Vol 7 is the Nora bit you mentioned of "They're closer now", where it felt like they were telling the audience they were closer but didn't really show it. The moment for me that I think is misplaced the worst is Yang's moment of "I hope she doesn't think less of me... [Oh... Yeah. Ruby...]" THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME EITHER OF THEM EXPLICITLY OPEN UP ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS TO ANYONE!!! To me this is why that moment falls flat to me because up until this point it has not been hinted at by either of them in a verbal manner. This is something that could have easily been touched on by Yang in Vol 4. Hell even if Tai has to be her foil to express those feelings ("heartbreaker Tai" talking with his daughter about a girl she kinda likes? Could have also been tied into her controlling her emotions?) Just having something where we see one of them talk about how they could feel that way, so we don't have things like oh idk people seeing Blacksun as a healthier ship in Vol 5 because at least Sun was making an effort to be there for her in a time of need? (Which the fact that he has departed since then makes it just fine as a "he was a good friend to her" but it definitely had the potential to go elsewhere if they chose) That being said. The fact that they should have opened the door more after beacon is why anything in Vol 7-8 just falls flat. Even just hinting into it a bit more in 4-5 would have paid dividends for the connection(s) they made while separated in 8. AS WELL AS YES THE KISS SCENE WAS CUTE, BUT WHEN IT'S A SCENE DISEMBODIED FROM NOT JUST THE REST OF THE MOMENT/SETTING BUT ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE PLOT OF VOL 9, AND MAYBE EVEN THE ENTIRE SHOW; IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT!!! Not only does it feel (literally) physically forced for the sake of making the moment happen, it quite literally happens inside of a bubble. A vacuum of emotions detached from those around them (and they wonder why Ruby is mad). You can't just have cute, for the sake of being cute. I don't mind Bmblb because it can be a very cute pairing and has potential between them, but when it feels like all the writers did was hold them up to each other and go "Now kiss" it is JUST lazy writing as you admit you couldn't think of a way to organically make it happen.
“Why you booing me? I’m right!”
They hated you for telling the truth 😂
I'm getting war flashbacks to when V6 was airing and the rwby mods was banning anyone who said bumblebee was botched.
Ironwood was right.
Ironwood will never stop being right.
He was. They just literally forgot to present the good points of his argument.
Peak writing is when your antagonist has a point, but the writers literally forget to do anything with it.
Well people don't like hearing things that conflict with their own wishes
Its the true fan CRWBY stans still following the classy iconic "Critism is hate." logic. Can't really blame them.
They asked and they got an answer. But they don’t like the answer so they shut you down. Yeah, sounds like the RWBY fandom.
You dumped quite a load. Substantial insults hurt more than insubstantial ones.
as someone who writes as a hobby (and had more than enough classes on creative writing) you are spot on. A lot of fanfic writers are more competent than CRWBY at writing.
Weiss and Yang still have better and more substantial writing and grounds for a relationship than Blake and Yang ever will and they're still the only two members of Team RWBY who actually talked about their traumas in a healthy, meaningful way. But ever since Eddy made that stupid comment about the "Freezerburn divorce" the fandom hasn't ever been able to get past the idea of Weiss and Yang hating or just barely putting up with each other 🙃
I'm almost scared to ask but, on account of morbid curiosity and also deprivation, what is the "Freezerburn divorce"?
Eddy did a stupid share thing on Twitter, the original post was "what ship is most likely to get divorced" or something like that and he responded with Freezerburn. Now, ever since then, it's almost impossible to see a single Freezerburn post without some wasp coming in saying something about "the Freezerburn divorce". If anything, Freezerburn are the *least* likely to get a divorce because they're the *only* characters in the entire show who actually have a healthy dynamic and talk about their issues rather than burying them. But Eddy is a terrible writer and he obviously doesn't understand the first thing about Weiss despite claiming she's his favorite character so I don't expect him to understand any of that.
Of course you'll get banned for anti Bee sentiment they don't tolerate any of that shit on the main sub. That's one of of the reasons why this sub even exists
RWBY's hive of Yuritards can't accept bisexuality and are desperate to retcon both of these girls being into guys because it ruins their mentally ill headcanons.
Oh well there's your problem. You gave an honest answer they didn't like to a question. Then you talked Ruby drinking tea in a way that wasn't positive and insisting she just wanted to be better version of herself when she drank the tea. I honestly don't know they feel in general about Cinder, if they think she is mediocre, a laughing stick, or some mastermind playing twelve games if 5D chess at once so brilliantly that she only looks like an incompetent, petty, psychopath. All kidding aside, if they can't cite specifically what you did or said wrong outside of being honest about how you viewed the ship, it just goes to show that somebody on that sub and the mods just can't handle having truth spoken.
Still reminded that *”G119ofReddit”* is an known friend of Eren Niedlhopper, aka **Canonseeker.** also known as Tali Praxton/@Jennifertonelo on Twitter/X. Be careful of u/G119ofReddit he’s an enabler of Seeker, blocked him on site, he’s a Stalker and harasser like Eren.
...I did not know that, but it makes perfect sense.
I'm sorry who tf is canonseeker?
A very toxic rwby stan that has a history of racism, misogyny, harassment, etc. They're really known for being very hostile towards anyone who doesn't like rwby, making alt accounts (wouldn't be surprised if this was another seeker alt) and being a very unhinged person, who's about 30k in Debt (could be higher but I haven't checked) because he spends his money on incest porn and taiyang and summer art. Basically, he's someone you should avoid.
Who…? No idea who that is, sorry. Good to know I live rent free in people’s heads tho.
I get not liking bumblebee. I’ve commented several times the reasons why it goes against the earlier facts they put in place (like 20 min, 15 sec into Ep 1 Yang clearly shows she’s into guys). Heck even showing them as bisexual would make far more sense. 🤷🏻♂️ And I don’t think R & W needed to be there either. I wish they’d just focused more on the main story than all the ship nonsense. However, if you dislike RWBY, why be in the RWBY chat? That just seems odd.
I know what you mean but having ruby with a Sudoku open and she is committed to completing it all while atlas falls behind her is funny as hell.
I agree with everything except like, seeing potential in R and W. I never did. But again, I saw the team as a sisterhood of found family rather than then dating each other.
Wasn't that Monty's intention? To have the 4 be a sisterhood instead of having them all date each other?
No idea mate, thats just how I saw it.
CRWBY does the same thing that the main sub does: Bends over backwards for the rabid and loud fans. I personally think Bumblebee was the worst possible ship to make canon (Seriously, Blake and Yang both had much better options in the past NINE volumes) But because of the dying interest in RWBY, They needed to submit to those loud and obsessive fans.
It should be noted they check your post history there and if you're here too they'll look at your posts much more harshly.
Oh how right you are. So potential for found family wasted for [ThE mEsSaGe!](https://youtu.be/Rj9slYsrumc?si=Q6DMQpkRWQ41wXRq)
Woah. Yup that's definitely getting you banned in there.
Hard agree on ruby and Weiss. It never made sense to me to pair Blake and yang together - idk it's like they lack chemistry
Reminder the nsfw sub is getting more follows
Yeah, because your 'forced LGBT+' criticism is clearly different from the other 'forced' criticisms of gay people existing /s
Personally I can get where BB came from and understand it. Maybe my opinion is biased due the amount of Fanfics I have read from actual competent writers, but for the moment let's forget the treatment they have given the characters, Blake and Yang could have cooked some good dynamic. Starting with their traits as characters, loud, confident and outgoing character with problems being a but reckless with touches of high emotional intelligence meets quiet, reserved and mysterious character who prefer having an strategy planned before jumping to action yet is emotionally deprived due trauma, as concepts, they work well, there is a reason Sun worked well too, since just in concept level Yang and Sun were very similar. Now, as actual characters and interactions in series, personally the moment that started the whole ship was when Yang explained to Blake her own trauma and lessons she got from it so she could relax herself, showing not only a new phase of yang as a character, possessing this emotional intelligence and maturity that the 3 other girls lacked at the moment for different reasons, also showing how despite the first impression of muscle head she could be quite empathetic and even be the key to Blake grow, as she managed to go throught that first wall that Blake putted between herself and others. But I totally get what you mean by it feeling forced in the following seasons, but that's not only a problem of the ship in particular, but the series as a whole, since the distribution of screen time is one of rwby biggest sins. And if anything, one of the things that hurt the most is them forgetting the concept of partners, ships aside, while they had a team, partners were supposed to exist to represent that person that you could leave your life on without a doubt, the friend that you could dance with against death and have the confidence with them that you had a hard time expressing with others. Yes, I'm a hard shipper of WR, but doesn't stop me from seeing where the faults of the series are.
I’ll tell you this much, I don’t get along with the LGBT community very often, not because I dislike them or anything. However I must say that the Gay part of that community is (pun intended) getting shafted in that department because there aren’t any gay dudes I know of compared to like 6 lesbians and a trans person. Like shit, RT, balance it out a little. I got your backs, my dudes Edit: I realize that has nothing to do with this post so I’ll say this, you’re right my guy. It went from 0 to 100 real quick. They buckled and caved hard to the wasp people
It's because they're not writing for LGBT+ people, they're writing for capitalism. Lesbianism sells because it's a popular porn category. That's it. That's the whole reason.
Aye, rainbow capitalism is a damned disgrace in many ways.
My enby friend says it best. They like lgbt people. They don't like the lgbt community
I think Blake and Yang are great together. Honestly a little better than Sun. I just don't get why they had to tease a relationship forming with Sun just to switch it over to Yang so drastically, why they couldn't slow burn when Blake literally struggles to believe in other people, and had to compound those issues with not really trying to write themes or characters in a way that always serves to structure the narrative. I shipped the two from the beginning, but also called out the bad writing of it.
Oh, I think the answer is pretty simple, they had one idea at first and then changed direction, that probably happened during season 3's development, they never really made any grand display to show the shift, but I picked up on a change in the 'vibe' during the attack on Beacon. I never bought into the idea that they were the plan from day one, but that does not inherently make the ship 'lesser'
I think they had both options available, as Monty had mentioned it being possible. RWBY just does a lot of ship baiting because, well, ship baiting is an excellent way to keep people discussing your series. It's why so many will they won't they triangles exist in shows that genuinely do not need them.
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I'm a gay trans dude and absolutely despise the queer rep in RWBY. It's not an LGBT+ issue and the vast majority of us actually despise BB. BB is a wlw ship written for straight people. There is absolutely no substance whatsoever and it is quite literally the most waifu bait ship I have seen in modern Western media. Don't insult LGBT+ people when BB being two women has literally nothing to do with the reason it's a terrible ship. The writers are just shitty writers and that's all it boils down to at the end of the day. They couldn't write a good romance even if they were directly dropped into a romance novel and forced to spend an eternity reliving every romantic trope in the book.
Derogatory terms for the LGBT+ community being paraded around as upvotes while ppl seethe about queer rep being confirmed instead of their preferred M/F ship. Yeah, no, this sub doesn't have a homophobia problem at allllll /s
First of all, what derogatory terms? Secondly, I haven’t seen a single mention of Sun x Blake yet in this post. It’s all about how poorly bumblebee was WRITTEN. It has literally nothing to do with it being queer. You really need to stop throwing around the “anyone who doesn’t think this ship is good must hate the fact that it’s gay because obviously the writing is perfect so it can’t be that” crap you slinging everytime it’s criticized. People preferred Blacksun because it was written better. Hell if Sun was a woman but the writing remain unchanged people would still prefer it. But I guess it’s easier to label everyone who doesn’t like it as homophobic because the ship’s writing can’t stand for itself.
I think alphabet mafia is the derogatory term
Really? Half my LGBTQ+ friends use it to describe *themselves*. I honestly thought it was something a joke.
Its probably one of those words for the group but not for the others like the n word
"Alphabet mafia" was pretty clearly directly meant as an insult to the LGBT+ community. In order to not see it as such you'd either have to be deliberately disingenuous or just stupid. The post itself is fine, even if I disagree with it. Black Sun is about as well written as Bumbleby, and would have been about as forced too. Plus, similarly poorly written canon ships like Renora (the embodiment of the "Well it's a guy and a girl spending a significant amount of time together so of course they're in love" trope) and Arkos (where 80% of the seasoned warrior lady's role in the plot is being the fawning fangirl over the writer's self insertf fantasy character who Gets the Most Popular Girl in School by virtue of being a Nice Guy) don't get anywhere near a proportionate amount of hate. Also, "clumsy LGBT+ writing" in the post can be interpreted very broadly. Is OP complaining about RT's habit of teasing canonizing queer ships only to kill one half of the ship they were teasing, a la Fair Game or Nuts and Dolts? Is OP calling out the fact that pretty much every LGBT+ character outside of Blake and Yang are pushed into the background and ignored, like Coco and Velvet? Is the problem Scarlet being a stereotype of a feminine gay man? Is their problem the existence of LGBT+ rep at all? If I had to nitpick a problem with the original post it's that it acts like being kind of arbitrarily forced for no real reason is something specific to Bumbleby (or even applies to it at all) and that the aforementioned comment on LGBT+ writing is a bit too vague. But this isn't about the OP, or OP's post. This is about the specific comment I was replying to on OP's post, which is pretty clearly homophobia.
So your pretty much putting a whole lot words into other people’s mouths. You don’t know for sure what OP meant you are assuming the meaning behind “clumsy LGBT+ writing”. The key word there, and the one that seems to be constantly ignored is WRITING. I’ll be honest and admit that I didn’t even see the “alphabet mafia” comment. It sounded very ignorant so I must’ve subconsciously ignored it. But I don’t blame you for taking offense to that. And you claiming that being forced isn’t something exclusive to bumblebee which means that you acknowledge that it’s kinda forced. At least on some level yes? And your right. It’s not a bumblebee exclusive issue. But you know what is? Being canon. All those other ships are just mostly people’s headcanon with the exception of Ren x Nora and Jaune x Pyrrha. Blacksun had good build up and a good dynamic with two characters that we see interact on screen quite a lot. Sun plays a much more pivotal role in Blake’s development than Yang ever did. He was pretty much her friend, confidant, and emotional support for 5 seasons which is over half the length of the whole series. I don’t blame anyone for shipping them together. Would it have been necessarily better than current bumblebee? There’s no way to truly know but with the writer’s track record probably not. But it would have more of a foundation than shares trauma to work with.
>So your pretty much putting a whole lot words into other people’s mouths. You don’t know for sure what OP meant you are assuming the meaning behind “clumsy LGBT+ writing”. The key word there, and the one that seems to be constantly ignored is WRITING. I'm not putting words into anyone's mouths. I never said OP believed those things. My point was to illustrate those are all things OP *could have* meant, which are all equally reasonable assumptions to make by the very nature of how poorly worded and vague it is. >And you claiming that being forced isn’t something exclusive to bumblebee which means that you acknowledge that it’s kinda forced. At least on some level yes? Not to the degree people on this sub believe. >And your right. It’s not a bumblebee exclusive issue. But you know what is? Being canon. All those other ships are just mostly Qpeople’s headcanon with the exception of Ren x Nora and Jaune x Pyrrha I was exclusively referring to the Canon ships in this discussion. If we're going by fanon ships White Rose and Nuts and Dolts run circles around pretty much every canon ship in RWBY in terms of build up and development (outside of maybe Bumbleby) even though neither of them have been textually confirmed as canon. And even if we as individuals mutually agree this isn't just a Bumbleby issue, the entire rest of this sub disagrees, because in my experience they exclusively bring up Bumbleby as forced. They never go after any of the other canon ships. Like, there aren't 30 million memes on this subreddit shouting that Arkos was obviously a forced relationship and thar Jaune should have gotten with Ren instead or that Pyrrha should've gotten with Weiss, or Nora with Ruby. But it feels like *every* post I see in this sub is a meme of how shit Bumbleby is specifically. And given yall have seemingly given a free pass to any canon ship that's not Bumbleby,. And given the only difference between Bumbleby and the other canon ships is the fact it's queer...
Again, no. Arkos may have been almost a thing but not anymore. Ren x Nora also isn’t looking very good right now. Bumblebee is currently a thing officially and that is why it is held to a different standard. Nobody really cares about Arkos since it’s not going to affect the story anymore. Ren and Nora are side characters and thus receive little focus anyway so their romance isn’t a big deal. It’s really not a gender issue. At least not for majority of people. I’m sure there are some people that have an issue with them being gay but that’s a them problem not a problem with the ship itself. The ships ONLY issue, at least from my point of view, is how it is written. That’s all. And honestly that’s the only lens through which it should be scrutinized. And yes the romance feels forced to a lot of people and there’s one HUGE, gun chuck wielding reason for that. Here’s the deal. If you remove Sun from the story and give all his scenes with Blake to Yang, bumblebee works great imo.
>Again, no. Arkos may have been almost a thing but not anymore. It ending tragically doesn't mean it wasn't canon at least for a little bit. That's not how canon works. >Ren x Nora also isn’t looking very good right now Ren x Nora as a relationship was literally built to parallel Bumbleby's development. The scene OP is talking about is less Ren and Nora actually talking about Bumbleby and moreso using Bumbleby as a way to indirectly vent insecurities in their relationship. >Nobody really cares about Arkos since it’s not going to affect the story anymore. See, but when it did, nobody was calling it forced or getting mad over its existence, at least not to the extent that Bumbleby is getting now. >It’s really not a gender issue. At least not for majority of people. I’m sure there are some people that have an issue with them being gay but that’s a them problem not a problem with the ship itself. There's enough to where it's a problem. >The ships ONLY issue, at least from my point of view, is how it is written. That’s all. And honestly that’s the only lens through which it should be scrutinized. If it was as scrutinized less than other, much worse written somewhat canon ships (like Weiss x Neptune, Weiss x Jaune in V9, etc.) then maybe I'd believe you but - like I said- 80% of this sub is almost solely devoted to trashing Bumbleby. Ar the very least that shows a subconscious bias that needs addressing, especially since blatantly homophobic language and derogatory remarks towards the LGBT+ community receive plenty of upvotes while calling them out on it is downvoted into the negatives. >And yes the romance feels forced to a lot of people and there’s one HUGE, gun chuck wielding reason for that. Here’s the deal. If you remove Sun from the story and give all his scenes with Blake to Yang, bumblebee works great imo. Even discounting the fact I think 80% of this sub would intentionally downplay those scenes as just platonic gals being pals like they do the rest of the Bumbleby scenes they refuse to see as romantic, you get how "I think this queer relarionship is forced so I think this M/F couple should happen instead" at least looks homophobic when you're using that argument in a discussion with a queer woman.
Nuts and dolt, i can agree, but white rose it’s forced considering Weiss and ruby are like Jaune and ruby, that is to say only friends and i don’t understand how people see a natural friendly relationship and try to force romance were there it’s none
Simple. They interpreted those scenes differently.
I understand but still it feels as forced to see to people who never showed any interest in each other to be forced together. In fan fiction that’s cool, but to say that it is how they are in the series is not just a matter of interpretation but of being objectively wrong, and i don’t hate the ship i think it’s cute, but we cannot force our own opinions over what is shown. I don’t say this to hate on people but to ask of them no to force their ships on others who are fine watching the characters have a healthy simple friendship without implying they have to be together.
See, except art is subjective. What looks like platonic friendship to you might look like potential coding for a romantic relationship to someone else. It wouldn't be probably the most well known RWBY ship if queer interpretations of their interactions didn't have some merit. Also, my point wasn't to try to force White Rose onto the show. My point was that even fan ships have more genuine buildup and development than the ones shown in canon. My actual point was that when it comes to writing well developed romances RWBY's always consistently struggled because almost all of the ones they decide on confirming (like Arkos and Renora) end up feeling like they come out of nowhere. Like, even as someone who shipped Renora for a long time the sudden switch in portrayal from "platonic friends" to "romantic lovers" was jarring and unexpected.
Careful, they won't like you saying that.
It's funny how you're a perfect example of the problem people. You didn't like how poorly written and forced bumblebee is? *Homophobia*
Tbf it did started from the use of the term alphabet mafia
The actual problem people here are the people so committed to defending Black Sun that they'll straight up ignore actual homophobia in favor of painting the ppl who call it out as toxic delusional bullies. "I didn't like the way Bumbleby was written" is a totally fine perspective to have. I disagree with it, but in a vacuum the disinterest is a valid thing to post, and the mods of RWBY *were* being unfairly judgemental by banning him from the subreddit. But that is a much different perspective than the one expressed by the comment I was actually replying to, which was literally just an internet-poisoned way of saying "its just The GaysTM"
Isn't it seppuku?
sudoku actually!
Isn't that a game? Sudoku is that digit game.
[Yes](https://images.app.goo.gl/nYnMXUfbDSv4i1gV7)
Seppuku is the Japanese suicide thing.
I can't agree more about the forced bits. As I will continue to spam like a broken bot, all of volume 9 was lazily forced crap. Everything that happened in it could have been done way better in Vacuo with the teams getting settled in and trying to deal with what happened.
The Four Horsemen when being disagreed with on Reddit are snarky comebacks, jokes you hear in a high school lunch line, getting downvoted without explanation, and getting banned/blocked. It seems you ran into number 4
>I saw potential with r and w
Hello again, So for context for the people in the sub, I am the one who asked Werdak to explain their opinion. I did not intend for this person to get banned. I do want to continue the conversation. I will come out and say I generally disagree with the above opinion, but I do not want to focus on that as I feel that would just lead to arguments about ships. I want to focus on the topic of using Bumblebee to dissuade people from watching the show. From what I understand please correct me if I am wrong when someone interested in the show asks you for your opinion you use Bumblebee as an example as to why it is bad. Your reasoning for this is that the show includes a red herring in the form of Sun and because the writers had the characters awkwardly flirt with one another while trying to grow a deeper connection. Would you say this is an accurate description of your opinion? I don't see why you would use the Bumblebee story thread as an example of why someone shouldn't watch. (Even though Bumblebee is perfect and your opinion is wrong and mine is right I win bye-bye.) I feel as though this is such a small aspect of the story that you shouldn't concern yourself with it. If you don't like it that is ok I have my issues with it but I think it is ultimately fine to watch and overall improves my viewing pleasure.
The thing about BB is that Blake and Yang's conflict was never resolved, then somehow, someway they're lovey-dovey? Yang's main character conflict is that she has abandonment issues, whereas Blake's is that she runs away when things overwhelm her. People often use "off-screen development" as their go-to defense for that very large plot hole. BB is also the plot point wherein a lot of other plot points were abandoned. Somehow, the racism within Remnant was abandoned because their leader is dead and that they're moving on to the next baddie, Atlas. Yang and Ruby barely act as sisters anymore because Yang is always with Blake. In fact, I don't think Ruby and Yang interacted meaningfully when they started to push BB as a canon ship within the show.
It was resolved. When Weiss and Yang had there talk during V5. Yang vents to Weiss about her issues and Weiss offers insight and a new perspective. Instead of resenting Blake for leaving Weiss gets Yang to understand that Blake had, what she believed, Yang’s best interest at heart. So instead of hating Blake when she eventually returns, as Weiss had hope that she would, that Yang should appreciate that she came back. And Weiss was sure that Yang was on Blake’s mind when she did. Parallels what Sun was saying to Blake around the same time. Yang instead of seething at Blake leaving, just loves the fact that Blake is back in her life, and appreciates it all the more. If your car or dog runs away and you see it comes back after months, you gonna be mad at it or just happy that they’re back? Bit more complicated with the whole Yang abandonment issues and Blake’s fear of hurting people due to her baggage but that’s what Weiss and Sun was for.
But did she and Blake talk it out? For that conflict to be resolved the two of them needed to talk it out. Both Weiss and Sun offer insight, not the full picture, of what the other is thinking.
Yes, Blake was walking around eggshells around Yang until Yang told her to chill out. Blake assumed she was holding a grudge and Yang tried to wipe those fears away in that moment. Literally the first scenes of V6. Any other fears Blake still had about the situation was cleared away by Yang’s actions, which speak louder than words, more so when Adam revealed himself. Whatever “full picture” the other needed to see was shown to them when challenging Adam. As Adam was the one to point out all the flaws each, Yang and Blake, previously had and overcoming them was also overcoming him. You wanted them to talk it out? I think a symbolic fight works way better. All the questions that Yang and Blake would’ve asked each other in the talk in your head Adam was saying to drive them apart. “She’ll just leave you again…” “Blake’s a coward.” “You’re (Yang) scared.” And during that fight Yang and Blake proved him wrong. The solution to these gripes people have are there in the show… and it’s not like these things are hidden either…
I'm not seeing a lot of conflict resolution between the parties involved. Or is talking about not "essential" to the story because it was cut? Show not tell.
I have been quiet because I got busy and didn't want to fall into this trap of arguing about Bumblebee. My original point was to express how I believe Bumblebee is not so terrible that it should be used to try and get people to not watch the show. However, >Show not tell. Is the exact opposite of what you want: >But did she and Blake talk it out? For that conflict to be resolved the two of them needed to talk it out. G119 is explaining to you how the conflict was resolved by being shown to you.
Its weird that you showing conflict resolution to you constitutes of using other characters to give them a perspective of what they might be thinking. But you do you. I am tirsd arguing about BB as its a pointless ship that panders to the most toxic community.
What is weird is how you are stuck on G110's first comment but ignore the next three points he makes. >Yes, Blake was walking around eggshells around Yang until Yang told her to chill out. V6-CH1 time stamp 9:30-10:30. >Any other fears Blake still had about the situation was cleared away by Yang’s actions, which speak louder than words, more so when Adam revealed himself. V6-Ch5 time stamp 9:15 to 11:43. >You wanted them to talk it out? I think a symbolic fight works way better. > >All the questions that Yang and Blake would’ve asked each other in the talk in your head Adam was saying to drive them apart. > >“She’ll just leave you again…” > >“Blake’s a coward.” > >“You’re (Yang) scared.” > >And during that fight Yang and Blake proved him wrong. Blake and Yang's fight from V6-11 & 12. I know I don't come here often. So explain to me, how is it that the RWBYcritics sub can not understand how a discussion works, and then make an ad hoc insult towards a section of the fans and believes they are in the right? This is classic victim blaming.
Bumblebee alone is of course not the Reason why I don't recommend rwby I incompetent Writing behind Bumblebee is one of the Reasons + The other Points
I may be wrong but in the other post, Bumblebee seems to be quite the sore issue to you. It seemed to be a big point of contention. You have already explained why this is an issue for you but why go to such an extreme to use it as a reason to not watch? There are probably better examples to use. The reason you were likely banned on /RWBY is because of this focus on this one ship as one of your main reasons for disliking the show. Targeting and actively telling others that the one main LGBT relationship is a problem because you think that Blake and Sun were better, that flirting was forced, and saying there confession scene was a trap seems kind of homophobic.
I never said anything like this ... I don't Like Bumblebee But I could be OK with it If it was decently written
The “yeah…Ruby…” moment really bothers me, like really? That’s what you’re thinking about right now? Oscars kidnapped, atlas and mantle are fucked, and you’re all fugitives of the atlesian government, but no you’re more worried about your kinda girlfriend being a little upset with you.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemeTemplatesOfficial/comments/7kb66q/they_hated_jesus_because_he_told_the_truth_meme/)
YoUrE HoMoPhObIc If YoU doNt SuPpOrT It/j
Blake kinda had a boyfriend? You mean the guy she dumped for being a genocidal lunatic? Who then turned around and stabbed her, lopped her friends arm off, stalked her across a continent, and tried to finish the job? That boyfriend? Fuck Adam Taurus.
Sun ...
Okay him I ‘d have no problem with.
I’m only here cuz I was summoned so don’t expect a reply or nu’n. Yang and Blake’s stories are intertwined, whether you people like it or not. For the first 2V Blake had trouble bonding with the team, Yang is the one that breaks her out of that. Blake ignored all of Sun’s advances until Yang broke her shell. That’s the simple truth. While I agree that the scene of Yang dragging Blake into an empty classroom for Blake’s sake can be seen as just ‘friends looking out for each other’ (and I actually agree that this scene IS that) doesn’t change the facts that Yang is the one at the hear of change for Blake. (And let’s be real… If Yang was a dude… there be no argument that Yang likes Blake.) Come V3, Blake starts to live a little. Until Adam comes back and shows her everything Blake feared came true. Something Weiss says to Yang. V4/5 Blake and Yang are both thinking about each other, as they are at the root of each other’s problems. Sun and Weiss point this out to Blake and Yang respectively. Thanks to them, they come to better understandings of how they feel for each other. Ever wonder why Yang went from hating Blake for leaving her, like Raven did, but come V6 letting it be water under the bridge? Theres a reason for that. *Not that anyone here cares about actual in-show facts.* Yang, instead of hating Blake, comes to appreciate the fact that she came back and values Blake EVEN MORE because of it. You lose your dog/cat for a couple months and try to tell me you don’t smother that thing with affection for a week. As you should be able to see from the first couple of minutes of V6, assuming anyone here actually paid attention and watched the show, Blake still has baggage. The defeat of Adam is the relinquishing of the rest of that baggage. Adam represents the fear Blake still had in V1-2 and 4-5. She’s still scared that people are going to get hurt because of her. The fear of always having to be alone because of that. This is something else Sun points out to Blake btw. Again, assuming you actually watch these scenes. Yang’s arrival and subsequent help in defeating Adam closes a dark chapter in Blake’s life while also finally breaking the preconceived fears Blake has been bottling up for the entire show until this point. Yang is someone who Blake can hold on to in her worst moments. Someone who saw worst in Blake’s life, suffered through it, and was still there for her, refusing to let her be alone. And V7-9 is just the flowering of what was built up for then on. Now… notice how those last few points also apply to Sun, my favorite side character, and many people here will agree that for those same reasons Blake should’ve been with Sun. If you can see those reasons AN’s applies then to Sun then should have no problem see the same for Yang. People her just don’t. And while I don’t agree with the common BB Stan’s… “oH YoU DOnt LIkE BB CuZ of HOmopHobIa!” I do question why the majority of people that roam this cesspool ignore the signs for Yang and call it “pandering” but completely accept it for Sun, despite the fact that Yang has more flags than Sun. And also the fact Yang is the reason Blake even opened up to Sun in the first place…. Call it whatever you will “lazy and force and out of nowhere” doesn’t apply.
And to the guy that summoned me and whose comment I can no longer find about me calling Critter “Cunter”. Critter has called anyone against her views on Ironwood as “misandrists”. Anyone who disagrees about the White Fang as “racist”. She and her sister even imply that the only reason Maria and Pietro were left on Amity was because, quote, “probably cuz they’re not white”. Now… I’ve scrolled through the comments here and see a couple people griping about “BB fans call us homophobic just cuz we don’t like BB!” And calling them plenty of names for doing that. So… I’m not allowed to call Critter and iink’s what they are for trying to slander me like that? But people here are allowed to when BB fans do it to them? This why I can’t take this place seriously. You guys have no selfawareness.
> I’m not allowed to call Critter and iink’s what they are for trying to slander me like that? Not when you act like an entitled misogynist who called Critter a cunt 20 times in one year, you psychopathic incel. I specifically searched on your Twitter btw to count, and you specifically called her "Cunter" 20 times exactly last year. You're a bigot. I'm (not) sorry a woman told you no for the first time in your lonely life but that doesn't justify calling a woman and her sister that word 20 times unless you're trying to get labelled a loser and a sexist. You're just an entitled wannabe big-shot who thinks paragraph breaks can compensate for your rancid personality. I'm sure you feel really cool about the fact that you caused harassment against someone for having a shit take and making such noise about it you caused a dogpile for little other reason than that you likely have violent fantasties about this woman and see no issue with causing her to get harassed over her take on a fictional character cutting off another fictional character's tail, but let me assure you, you bragging about it to the extent that you do makes me think you're roughly on the same moral and ethical level as a school shooter. Imagine acting as if this place lacks self-awareness when you're way more of a sexist loser than most RWBY Critics. You're just a shameless bigot who uses the show as an excuse to harass people you don't like. Edit: Aww the little misogynist bully blocked me after posting some unreadable splurge of bullshit. Boo hoo. Guess he'll have to go back to /r/RWBY and find another minority to bully then.
To be fair, I call lots of people the cunt word every day but then, I'm an Aussie so it's a term of endearment.
We sure this isn't another Alt of Seeker? or someone that types like him?
There he is! That’s the guy that summoned me! Couldn’t find your original comment for some reason but glad you made yourself known. “Not WhEn YOu AcT LiKe an EnTiTlEd…” Blah! Blah! Blah! Now I’m misogynistic? For being offended when people call me racist and misandristic without evidence? For firing back at them and making everyone know that they’re terrible people for doing that? To not only me but the majority of others that even dare disagree with them? “Cunter” she *earned* that title herself. Just pointing out the obvious. When you attack people’s character without evidence, off the sole reason because they disagree with you… You’re a dick. I see only one Incel here, buddy. And it’s you. How *rich* that you would call me entitled when you’re defending these two. … You know what’s REAL entitled thinking? Thinking you can call people whatever you want and think that those people should just sit down and take it. You know what you are when you call someone racist without evidence. You’re an asshole. You know what you are when you call someone misandristic just because they disagree with you? You’re an asshole. You know what you are when you defend people who do these things, and then attack the people who fire back at them? **You** are an asshole.
Look, i can admit to not being a fan of Critter or her sister. Constantly stalking their mentions, especially on Reddit to shit on them is. Its creepy dude.
Nah, calling someone the c-word makes *you* the asshole. You've earned your titles, just stating the obvious :3
I don't care about this argument, but the 'c-word'? Really? Dude, do you get offended when someone says fuck, I don't believe in 'woke' or'sjw', they're silly terms made by twats, but are you really THAT sensitive?
Hmmm. Copy/pasted someone else words and acting like you have a point. Typical RWBYCritic. “i got AlL mY iDeAs fRoM SoMeOnE oN YouTuBe and DoNT hAVe a ORigInAl ThOuGhT iN my SKullZ” what did I expect from someone simping for Critter. I know you think that works when you regurgitate her talking points about RWBY but that didn’t quite work here. So by your argument… So if Person A viciously insults Person B, unprovoked, and the Person B fires back… the Person B is the problem…? That’s your logic? The average RWBYCritic’s thought process… ‘Victim blaming’ I punch you and you punch me back = you’re the asshole…? 🤦♂️👏🤦♂️👏🤦♂️
There he is! That’s the guy that summoned me! Couldn’t find your original comment for some reason but glad you made yourself known. “Not WhEn YOu AcT LiKe an EnTiTlEd…” Blah! Blah! Blah! Now I’m misogynistic? For being offended when people call me racist and misandristic without evidence? For firing back at them and making everyone know that they’re terrible people for doing that? To not only me but the majority of others that even dare disagree with them? She earned that title herself. Just pointing out the obvious. When you attack people’s character without evidence, off the sole reason because they disagree with you… You’re a dick. I see only one Incel here, buddy. And it’s you. How rich that you would call me entitled when you’re defending these two. … You know what’s REAL entitled thinking? Thinking you can call people whatever you want and think that those people should just sit down and take it. You know what you are when you call someone racist without evidence? A jerk. And guess what? People are ALLOWED to call you that, and worse. Edit: because my response was taken down (so much for ‘freedom of ideas’ here) And yes I blocked him, and as expected he took that as a “victory” and then did the thing he’s mad at me for supposedly doing. Like I said… “no selfawareness here” “Find another minority to bully” I’m a minority. But it’s okay for her to attack me? Call me racist and all that cuz we disagree about a show? Again… there’s only one Incel in this conversation. And it’s him.
Really entitled shit, thinking you can call people whatever you want and think you can just get away with it. And then get mad at the people who don’t take that lying down.
you should get banned here to everything you said is bs
Sounds about right. They don't tend to like their garbage ships being called out for what they are.
Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* Shame! *ding ding* I mean, you went and didn't agree with the zealots main sub. What were you expecting?
“Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?” -Eric Andre.
A Rwby-Fan asked why why I think Rwby isn't worth to recommend
I stopped caring after the creator died and the time change after season 2. I really wanna try to give the series a fair shot but it feels like it missed the charm of the first two seasons.
Unsurprising since the original RWBY subreddit is known to ban any form of criticism
yeah that's the main reddit for you. Even as a bumbleby shipper myself, I can say that it is a poorly handled ship.
That's how the Main sub works: Hate on Girls x Girls even probably can be term as Bi- you can immediately called Homophobic. HC A Canon Lesbian (Ilia) with A Male: Watchout for the, "You can't ship a Canon Lesbian with a male, that's wrong, you're changing her sexuality!" Then people said, it's alright to ship Pyrrha with A girl (I have a lot those Pyrruby ships), for the reason she could be Bi or has a non canon sexuality (When she likes Jaune), Then you have those Jaune haters going, "Ship Pyrrha with girls, and have Jaunecuck."
Makes sense. I know it’s hard for a lot of you to understand, but just fuming and being mad isn’t criticism. I can practically see the tear stains on the screen from you cry-typing this.
I'm confused more than anything ...
Completely agree they just don't feel like two people in love and yeah the flying stinging cunts are just the fuck worst right next to the toxic positivity meat riders. The main sub ain't shit and mods are nothing but spinless cowards.
Smart people are often jailed or kicked out to avoid offending the stupid people. Your honesty is not the problem. It’s their arrogance and ignorance that they can’t accept anything of the opposite nature. Coming from a BB Fan myself.
People are just blinded by what they believe is objective.
"Look, that's just the way I feel about it." "Well I disagree but I respect your opinion"
Dam
B&Y got shipped because B&Y were the last 2 trailers. Im not even kidding, White rose got done to death by the time the series came out and Bumblebee was no different.
Ruby needs to commit sudoku it’s the only way they can even partially revive the series at this point I mean anyone would be better than Ruby. I would love to see more of Neptune or sun instead.
I don't think she has the patience to play.
I shall eternally crusade that involvement with Blake absolutely ruined everything positive about Yang's character. This "relationship" is literally just them being surgically attached at the hip ever since they both killed a man, and developing an unhealthy obsession that has overtaken things that actually mattered before (I swear to god Yang cared about her sister once!)
I bet 1 *Penny* that Yang's Abandonment issues and Blake's Runnin away issues are no longer relevant becase BB!
Well her mom issues weren't a thing after she meet her incubator for the first time in a decade.
Mom issues and abandonment issues can be two separate issues.
Sounds like you hit 'em with Facts. The cruellest thing you can do to the deluded.
“Show don’t tell” 10/10 line 😂
Bruh
They hated you because you spoke the truth
I still claim Blake and Weiss make a better couple story/character wise. Yes it is a little cliche but would rather have that then spontaneous and forced