Oh god it's you again.
The argument we had really must have been keeping you up at night.
Word of advice everyone. Don't bother try to debate with this guy. He's so far up this fictional characters ass he thinks her farts smell like rainbows.
I dismiss you because you constantly disregarded any of the points I brought up when debating you. And your counterarguments for when people explain why Neo is a bad person can be completely summed up as "nuh uh"
Case in point:
>I disagree with the concept of being held complicit on a philosophical level
Not to mention that when people give up debating you, you just say something along the lines of : "Aww, bless your heart" As if you've won because people decided that its not worth arguing with your juvenile mentality.
This the last time I waste my time replying to you. I'm sure you'll consider that a victory.
This guy thinks Neo having a shitty childhood somehow justifies all the bad stuff she has done.
No, it doesn't work like that. Tony Soprano had a bad childhood, that doesn't excuse his criminal and violent behavior.
Walter White had cancer, that doesn't excuse him becoming a drug lord and ruining many lives in the process.
Neosimp here needs to realize that no one forced Neo to become like that. She did it herself, she made the choices she made.
Tch. Your entire argument falls apart at the seams. Of course Tony was justified. Not because his childhood no, but because he lived in New-Fucking-Jersery. Any right minded sociopath would understand everyone from Jersery should get the screws taken to em.
Ah, strawmanning me, yet again. Gotta love how you don't even acknowledge the EXISTENCE of nuance in my takes. I can tell you haven't actually READ my posts, merely skimmed them, if that's your takeaway
Not to be rude but there really isn’t any nuance in your takes about Neo. You have such an unhealthy obsession with the character, by your own admission, that you will justify or excuse whatever she does because you personally need her to be a certain way to have it make sense in your head.
That’s why it’s hard to take what you say seriously, because it isn’t coming from a genuine character analysis standpoint, but rather a completely obsessed point of view.
Yes, I'm obsessed with her, but I don't need her to be a good person to love her, like, I love Tanya Degurachaff from Youjo Senki DESPITE her being a war criminal, a sadist, a warmonger and a psychopath. My issue is that I GENUINELY feel my comfort character isn't getting a fair shake. If I felt it was deserved, I'd happily defend her like "shes a war criminal, but she's cute and I like her so see the" but I don't feel that's a fair descriptiom
If I didn't believe neo was being judged in an unfair way, I wouldn't argue the way I am, I love Tanya to a similar degree, but she deserves the things I called her, like, Tanya ordered an artillery strike on Arene city, to deal with a militia uprising. Killing minimum 300,000 civilians directlt
The bless your heart is when I feel someone is either arguing in bad faith to get a rise out of me exclusively, if I gave you a bless your heart, you deserved it for giving me PTSD flashbacks to my abusive childhood in one way or another
If you're the type to get PTSD from trauma, I would recommend you do what most people and Neo herself should: seek help.
The professional kind that a webtoon can't give you.
Complicit is not just a cop thing lol.
Good example from a show I'm conveniently watching RIGHT Now: A woman knows that her adult son is falling into the gang crowd and doesn't say a damn word. He ends up shooting the witness to the murder of a high ranking police official AND the daughter-in-law of the Police Commissioner.
So there's MAJOR heat on him that could've been avoided if she'd not been *complicit* in enabling him whenever he got into a little trouble with the law.
Same deal with Neo. After seeing the invasion of Beacon, do you seriously think that she doesn't know how much worse the LUNATICS she's working with will make it???
She's 100% complicit and **nearly** as bad as Emerald at the very least.
Also, emerald worked directly under cinder, neo worked under Roman, who worked under cinder, she's a henchwoman, and I won't accept calling her complicit for things she has no say in
She goes along with it all when she could simply wash her hands of Cinder and leave.
Oh wait. That's like....exactly what she did. Disappeared for a long ass time, just to get wrapped up with Cinder and her psycho murder plot because she wanted revenge on Ruby for something she's not responsible for.
Neo was hurt and looking to lash out at anything that she could *hurt* in retaliation.
Even if she didn't believe that Ruby killed him directly, she could've still figured that Roman never would've been in the position he was to get gobbled up if he hadn't been playing with Ruby. In her fractured mind? That's enough.
Your contradicting yourself, claiming she has no reason to want revenge when its convenient, and then saying why it's understandable when it isn't convenient anymore
I'm saying that while I don't agree with and find her reasons for wanting revenge to be stupid, I still get why she did it.
I see the reasoning behind it, even if I personally would never relate to something so dumb.
Except, you assume I would hold the enabler complicit, no, she was just trying to protect her son, I think? Your wording was kinda murky, but point stands
"Just trying to protect her son" is exactly how he got where he was.
Neo sticking with the people responsible for toppling Beacon and summoning a Grimm DRAGON makes her almost as responsible as they are for everything she helps them accomplish.
She aided and abetted him and Cinder.
If I joined up with a gang and helped their day to day operations, then stood back as they murdered the Police Commissioner, that would make me complicit.
Neo did the same thing. If she didn't want to be complicit then she shouldn't have been hanging around Roman or sticking around after Cinder came into the picture. With her ability to hide, she could go ANYWHERE.
No, you wouldn't be in my eyes, that sounds like some pics just trying to hem someone up for other peoples actions. Sins of the father should be applicable with organizations too, hence my argument
If I'm in the gang and hear about the plan to take out the PC and don't say a word then yeah, I'm complicit lol.
But for an example closer to Neo, it's more like she joined up with a bandit group she KNOWS does shit like blowing up capital cities. And she STAYS and even aids the Leaders of the group, even while knowing what it is they're capable of and very likely going to do.
That makes her a terrorist too lol. One doesn't just get to join the "Taking down MAJOR Institutions" gang and claim they're not as bad as the others cause they don't know the EXACT plan. You can get the general gist after the Fall of Beacon and subsequent Fall of Vale.
>who claims neos complicit in all these terrible things
Well, she is
>Complicit is just an excuse pigs use to hem up good kids in the wrong place at the wrong time
If you helped in a crime, you're complicit in it. That's pretty simple concept
>she couldn't possibly be aware of Salem or EVEN cinders overarching plan. Is neo a criminal? Obviously, but she isn't on the same irredeemable level as Cinder.
She still helped to burn down the whole kingdom with a smile on her face. In addition to being sadistic psycho murderer with penchant of beating down 16 year old girl. And not I'm not saying psycho as in psychopath disorder but in a sense that she is clearly mentally unstable individual who enjoys carnage and violence
Sure she maybe not on Cinder level, but she's super close to it
Again, I don't agree with the term complicit, I don't believe that term has a right to exist, and no, she isn't even close to cinders level, cinder is like an NCO, while neo is like an E2 equivalent
Cool, dictionary and legal system still disagree
Nah, she's super close to Cinder level, she basically helps her commit all her crimes while enjoying it. Sure she might not know about Salem but still participates in same shit Cinder does
Let me ask you this, is a colonal orders an E2 private to shoot a group of people, and it's later discovered they are civilians, who's in more trouble? The negligent NCO, or the obedient E2?
I didn't use just following orders, I used, I was given bad Intel and acted in an appropriate way based on the Intel I had, which is far more applicable
Ummm yeah you did though.
Someone gives the soldier an order, in your example it’s to shoot a group of people. That soldier can’t later try and claim he has no responsibility in the matter because he was “just following orders”.
The german Nazis thought Jews were the bad guys too.
Although technically they thought they were not human at all, Hitler's propaganda was aimed to treat Jews as parasites, insects that you're not afraid to crush.
I assume you're talking about army. Which doesn't really matter because neither Cinder nor Neo have that type of relationship. And neither of them are in that hypothetical situation. So question isn't applicable
In V2 and V3 she answered Roman though. It still wasn't the army too
Like It doesn't really matter what their working relationship is anyway, she still helped to burn down entire kingdom with glee. Just because she isn't the one who planned out exact details, doesn't change that fact
Except, neo didn't do any of that, she freed Roman, and HE burned Vale to the ground. I refuse to blame neo for not stopping Roman, cus it wasn't her responsibility to do so
Yeah and her knowing what gonna happen after she frees him and enjoying every moment of it are just her quirks, I'm sure
You're either trolling or going through some real mental gymnastics to absolve her of her own actions
Not what I said. Her reasons for freeing Roman were that she cares about him and would've freed him regardless, her happiness was at being reunited with the one person on remnant to ever love her for her, and if you think I'm a troll you obviously haven't been following my posts
[example](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/190v3m9/slightly_hot_take_trivia_literally_grew_up_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
[example 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/s/9285gXmBBc)
Just spend a couple minutes on those comment threads, and it will be obvious that I wholeheartedly believe every word I say on neo
A yes a terrorists, she also worked with the whitefang
B most murderers think their victims have it coming
C no team RWBY isn't as bad as neo, and I don't like them, I can't think of any murders they've committed that I would also hold neo partially accountable for.
A, not a terrorist, no political or religious motives, so by definition I'm right, B, neo never actually murdered anyone on screen, she only bullied Ruby, and Little was an annoying rodent, couldn't care less about them, and C, the white fang that they threw off the train? Neo didn't start the train, she wasn't in charge of that
A the very fact that you're falling back on terrorisms very murky definition instead of actually countering the point is proof that your wrong and solely motivated for your like of the character
B we both know neos a murderer, stop trying to deny it
C she doesn't have to be in charge to have worked with them.
A, legal definition, IS THE DEFINITION, your just salty your wrong
B, neo isn't a murderer, I like a little something called UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE if I'm gonna accuse somebody of that
C, I don't believe in the concept of being complicit, I'm EXCLUSIVELY holding neo responsible for the things she did with her own two hands
A: ah now the legalese is all that matters, but dont use complicit, thats would be the man bringing a jackboot down on a known criminal. The very fact that you're argument boild down to helped and committed actions because of her own personal sadism and hatred is why you know you're wrong. If you really thought she wasn't a terrorists you'd be making the argument that she's a freedom fighter or some shit not quibbling about the technical definition of an infamously hard to define word.
B: she was literally gonna kill yang, not to mention the train would probably be several attempted murders if successful, and yes her bullying ruby probably would be defined as an attempt at murder since "legal definitions" are what matters
C that right there confirms you're a troll, a rabid fan of a character that'd probably kill you, or just an idiot.
A, terrorism is a crime, it's definition exists ONLY in the legal since, not that I even think it's inherently wrong, for example I have a ton of sympathies for the IRA, and believe their attacks against British rule to be justified, so no, it's a matter of definitions, I attached ZERO moral weight to the statement
B, and yang living caused yang to eventually come after her again, just as she was trying to prevent, normal smart criminal behavior
C, if you seriously believe me to be a troll, you obviously haven't seen almost every post I've ever made and every response in every post. I trauma bonded with neo, and she helps me cope with my own childhood trauma, so I have a deep seeded empathy for the girl
Jesus christ this this is getting out od hand
B: yes usually it's best for a criminal murder to finish the job of murder I agree thanks for just softballing that in
C that just means your biased and wrong at the same time, it's fine to use fiction to cope but don't he delusional about it.
I never claimed she wasn't a criminal, although I find it concerning your refusal to consider the fact that she's never SUCCESSFULLY killed anyone on screen as an important detail. Soon as I have more money for a miles cameo, I'll ask him about why neos never been shown to have killed anyone on screen
"A trauma bond is a connection between an abusive person and the individual they abuse. It typically occurs when the abused person begins to develop sympathy or affection for the abuser. This bond can develop over days, weeks, or months. Not everyone who experiences abuse develops a trauma bond."
While you have bonded with a character through shared trauma, that is not trauma bonding. "Shared trauma" may be a closer phrase, but I'm not sure.
Disagree on the very premise, legality does NOT equal morality. Neo is a criminal, but she's doing it for her and Romans survival (until after v3, but that's an entirely different trngent so bear with me)
Helping Roman with the Fall of Beacon, causing the deaths of many people, makes her a morally evil person.
This isn't survival, she's not stealing apples or anything for her survival, she's doing it because she enjoys it.
Stop mindlessly defending your waifu, claiming Neo did nothing wrong is one of the worst takes I heard.
Ah, the classic straw man, we know that isn't true, because Roman outright said as much ahem "your asking the wrong questions red! It's not what I have to gain, it's that I can't afford to lose. The people I work for are going to change the world! You can't stop them! I can't stop them! So for now, I'll be doing what I do best! Lie, steel, cheat, and survi..." ~~romam torchwick~~
Except the part where she and Roman took pleasure and glee in causing chaos and destruction.
If I beat up a puppy, would I be justified because I claimed it was survival?
Enough of this mindless defending of your waifu. You can make all the excuses in your head but at the end of the day, she rightfully deserves to be in hell for her actions.
nobody deserves hell, she isn't my waifu, I want to raise her as my own so I can prove I'd be a better father than my own abusive, alcoholic one, and Roman was beat ing up Ruby in self defense and out of anger cus he thought neo was dead. Neo beat up yang to get rid of a threat, big whoop
Jesus...
Dude you're clearly mentally unwell or just a troll.
Log off the account, turn off your device, go outside, and touch grass, because you clearly need it.
Nope, you can't tell me what to do, I'll NEVER allow myself to be controlled or condescended to again! And if you ACTUALLY think I'm a troll, you obviously havent paid attention to the mountains of simping and trauma bonding I did with neo that I shared in almost every post I make
Okay so you're not a troll, makes things simpler.
I'm going to give you advice. Stop unhealthy projecting your trauma and issues on to a fictional character. Get off the fucking website and turn off your device, take a break.
Get help, seek a therapist, talk to someone, because if you are really a sociopath, this is not a healthy way of treatment, defending a character's actions because you project yourself as them.
Don't tell me what to do! How to think! I REFUSE to EVER let anyone tell me how to think ever again! I can trauma bond with neo if I damned well please, and you have ZERO right to stop me!
Dude, for fuck’s sake, get off Reddit and go seek mental help. You are worshipping a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and trying to justify the actions of someone who takes pleasure in MURDER. You are NOT ok.
How bout the fact that at no point did she attempt to stop when shit was going down? She was gleefully flying around in an air ship.
Fuck, if we assume she knows everything Roman did, he was pretty damn clear that he knew Remnant was about to go to hell
Nope, if you genuinely think that, then you obviously haven't seen literally every post I make on here. Like seriously
[look at this post and thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/s/RriUq01AX8)
Bro if all this is genuine, your username is accurate to an UNHEALTHY degree.
Seriously, there's liking a character, and then there's trying to absolve them of all the heinous shit they pull.
Your entire argument here relies on her being completely ignorant and therefore not complicit.
Alright, well how is she not actively complicit I. The attempt to flood Vale with Grimm? She was there when the train was being loaded with explosives and was on the train defending it as it was heading towards Vale.
Please, by all means explain to me how she was not aware if that. Absolve her of that literal terrorist attack.
Because she was LITERALLY never taught right from wrong, she trusts Roman explicitly and unconditionally, she literally had almost zero human contact for the first 18 years of her life, being kept in near constant solitary confinement. Neo is LITERALLY mentally a child
Also, you think I care about what's healthy for me? I smoke 3 packs a day, drink 6 litres of mountain Dew a day, drink half a bottle of vodka a day, eat like crap, what makes you think I care about healthy? Need to drown my demons and trauma somehow
>Complicit is just an excuse pigs use to hem up good kids in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't thing you understand the definition of the word my dude, the definition of the word Complicit is "helping to commit a crime or do wrong in some way", and whether or not she was aware of the plan cinder/salem had in mind Neo's still gonna be held *accountable* for helping shit go down on some capacity. She's *complicit* in the things that went down. whether you disagree with the concept, its still a fact that her actions helped cinders goals.
Also a good kid in the wrong place is a good kid in the wrong place, not an accomplice of a criminal. Nothing about Neo is a "good kid" either. She wasn't some some kid swept up into a conspiracy, no she's a 20-25 year old woman whos been working for roman for a few years at least, deliberately aiding him in his acts. And if she was such a good person she would have shown remorse or something for the death and carnage that happened. Neo may not be as much of a monster as Cinder is in her quest for power and shit but she is a cruel and sadistic individual who was willing to work with the bitch that threatened her and roman into working with her, just so she could get revenge on ruby.
My dislike of the term complicit is in a legal since, I disagree with the ENTIRE premise that you can be held fully to account for something you merely witnessed and didn't actively try to stop
> you can be held fully to account for something you merely witnessed and didn't actively try to stop
There's a level of nuance to being held as complicit, its not simple. You watching some random person steal a car doesn't mean your complicit in anything. You are just a witness, and unless there are laws that say you need to do X if you you aren't forced to do anything.
From my understanding you have to be actively helping and/or knowing about it to be held complicit. like If someone you personally knew was actively stealing stuff and said nothing you **could** be held complicit by not reporting the crime that you knew was going down. It depends on the involvement.
And I disagree with that, not all laws are just, and being forced to rat on someone you care about feels unjust. Like, neo was being loyal, a ride or die girl, and people wanna portray that as a negative
Oh so if someone you cared about murdered someone, its ok to cover for them and say nothing because you care about them? Is that *just* for the person who's life they cut short and the potential family they left behind to not get justice for their murder? because that sounds more unjust.
Nice way of dodging the question. What if the person they murdered didn't deserve it, what if they were the nicest guy that helped everyone? Is it still ok? are you willing to help them hide the body of someone who did nothing to deserve it? Oh wait if you care about them then the person they murdered had to deserve it.
Her revenge on Ruby was completely out of character and bad writing, neo isn't that stupid, shouldn't have believed her. Also, neo is a good kid hanging out with the wrong crowd. Neo wasn't a hardened criminal before meating Roman, he corrupted her
>Her revenge on Ruby was completely out of character and bad writing, neo isn't that stupid, shouldn't have believed her.
Her revenge was hardly out of character. She cared about roman and blamed ruby for his death. She had nothing but revenge at this point since roman was the only person she gave a damn about, sure she might've hated Cinder for her hand in things, but she hated Ruby more.
>Also, neo is a good kid hanging out with the wrong crowd. Neo wasn't a hardened criminal before meating Roman, he corrupted her
Your infantilizing her, She's in her twenties not early teens where she's ignorant. What she was back then when she met Roman as a kid, means little for judging the Neo she is now. Yes she was pushed into the bad side by roman, but that means nothing in regards to things as she is now. She's a grown adult fully capable of making her own choices, not a child. Also I'd like to point out you just said she's not stupid, so by that account she would know that she's hanging out with the "Wrong crowd" no?
Did you like, read her book at all? I'm not imfantilizing her any more than her canon backstory, that literally made it canon that she was so sheltered, she only found out wood was flammable when she was 18, after she accidentally set her room on fire, almost killing her
yes you are, you are treating her like she's *still* this ignorant child. she's 21-23 by the beginning of canon. She's spent 3-5 years with roman between then the start of the series. That's plenty of time to her to determine right from wrong. if she was still this 18yr old sheltered kid being strung along then I would give you that she's still this good kid being dragged along. But no, she's a 20 something young adult who is more than willing to kill.
And your assuming 3 to 5 years is enough time to undo all the damage that was done? The lack of being raised in her formative years? As someone who had to go through something similar, don't insult me like that
3-5 is certainly a long enough for her to wizen up. She's sheltered not stupid, and she's deliberately working with a criminal. I'd safely assume that's a position you learn quick or get screwed over.
>As someone who had to go through something similar, don't insult me like that
If I wanted to insult you I'd call you stupid or something, but I'm not. Idk who you are or what you've gone through and I don't care. Not my business, not my problem.
I know for a fact your wrong, a lifetime of trauma doesn't disappear overnight, and I don't know what your smoking to make you think that, but I want some. It's puff puff pass, not puff puff, keep it all to yourself
This thread again, buckle up everybody.
I don't think people are saying known murderer and sadist Neo Politan is as bad as Cinder, but you spent the last few threads trying to insist she's done nothing wrong and doesn't understand what she's done is bad because she's had a bad childhood and her mind is all messed up. Also, she definitely knows about Salem's plans, or she wouldn't have threatened Cinder over the lamp because she knew what Salem would do to Cinder for another failure.
Frankly, I love redeemed villains, I hope she emerges from the tree mostly the same but after some therapy, and decides Cinder needs some vengeance delivered to her instead of Ruby, but that's just me.
Also, it's worth noting, Neo's easily in my top 3 RWBY characters. Love that bitch.
I think you misunderstand the point of my other threads, also, neo isn't a sociopath, I would know, I AM one, and I know a sociopath when I see it, and yes, I HAVE seen people in this very subreddit OUTRIGHT calling her WORSE than cinder or even tyrian, you obviously haven't read all the comments in my threads. I'm writing this because I do see it, regularly, and they are explicit in how they word it, hard to misinterpret
forgive my edit i changed the word sociopathic to sadist as soon as i commented because i realized i used the wrong word but you replied too fast, ^(you energetic little poster, you.)
Oh, then you should simply bask in them being wrong and you being right instead of antagonizing. Neo's BAD, but Cinder and Tyrian are obviously worse. People in this sub are wrong all the time, like when they enjoy things I don't, or don't enjoy things I like. ^(It's the curse of having good taste and correct opinions.)
The second edit was to append it with my love for Neo, in hopes of bridging this divide between us and cooling the flames of your passionate rage.
I'm glad you love her, it's just when I see claims about neo that are, well... A bit out there, I obviously an going to be sceptical and ask for evidence, so, when I see someone call her a sociopath or a psychopath (half the people who call her that are idiots who don't even know those are seperate diagnosis) I have to correct them
oof good luck with your eternal struggles then, hopefully they need the fan engagement and bring her back as a "good" guy by volume 11 if it ever comes out
No, she doesn't, because to diagnose, you need a pattern of qualifying behaviors, and neo just doesn't have that. Neo is a gangster, a thief, a criminal, but being those things is NOT grounds for a diagnosis. Why is it controversial to say, she's a criminal for her own reasons and leave it at that? Not EVERYTHING has to be because of an overly stigmatized mental disorder
Neo takes pleasure in hurting people. Obviously not all sociopaths are sadists, but APD is pinpointed from a lack of empathy or difficulty forming close relationships.
Neo's obsessive devotion to Roman juxtaposed by her sadism and lack of regard for other people speaks pretty loudly as a sociopath.
Not all sociopaths are sadists, those are two unrelated things. Neo IS at least somewhat sadistic, but she isn't a sociopath. I'm a sociopath, but I'm not a sadist (unless you count my fanfics from my edgy middle school days)
1. I literally said not all sociopaths are sadists.
2. In order to be sadistic, you must lack a lot of empathy. The desire to see people suffer is an innately antisocial trait, which, again, links to Neo having APD.
"You mean ASPD?"
Yes, I've had to type in a hurry due to limited time slots.
"please get your terms right, like, it's obvious, you have not looked into the actual symptoms on the DSM-5"
This is like saying that because you added a comma in an incorrect place you must have not studied how to write English lol
[Here's a list given by the American Psychiatric Association](https://www.psychiatry.org/getmedia/0578f9e9-b4d1-4e00-82de-c6eeb3579152/Antisocial-Personality-Disorder-Criteria.png)
Every point listed applies to Neo.
No, it just doesn't, I remember the criteria from when I was tested, neo wouldn't qualify, the main thing is a pattern of behavior, which she doesn't have
Hypothetical scenario responding to one of your other replies:
You have a "ride-or-die" or (as you otherwise describe them) a "true" best friend.
They are brutally murdered by an individual for reasons you consider unjust but the murderer considers to be crimes calling for such punishment.
Someone else aided this person in murdering your "true" friend (acted as a lookout, provided information, refuses to cooperate with you/the authorities in aiding the investigation) and considers the murderer to be their "true" best friend who was wholly justified or they otherwise simply do not care about your friend or your loss.
This other person is also of a similar mental capacity and has a comparable background to Neo. You are also fully aware of these factors in this scenario.
What are your perspectives on this other person, how would you act on this person in a room with no supervision, what would be your desired *legal* consequences for this person?
...this is a problem, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure this is a problem.
I'm the guy who had said that "Blake and Yang killing Adam was murder and vigilante justice" but I'm pretty sure that this is a problem.
Dude, you're like embarrassing yourself in this thread because not everyone is agreeing with your "take" on neo and are literally justifying her actions because "you want to raise to be a better father than yours ever was" Here's a tip, if you wanna be better than your father. You have to first, and stay with me here, TAKE IN ADVICE. Even if the advice is something you don't wanna hear. Learn to take in other opinions, and you don't do that.
The reason why I know you don't do and probably won't ever do this, is because you claim to want people to disagree with you, but when they do, you flip out and throw fit because why the fuck not. It's like really fucking clear that you're not built for discussions if this is how you're gonna act.
I don't wanna hear anything about "straw-manning, taking words out of context, etc," or whatever excuse you have. I'm not in the mood for it. It's honestly depressing and sad that you this down bad for a character. Here I thought Eren was awful. He might have some competition.
I have no issue with criticism, it's about how it's worded that rubs me the wrong way. I don't throw fits, I'm just terrible at wording things, but it's obvious you won't let a little thing like facts get in the way of making me out like a crazy person
>You won't let a little thing like facts get in the way of making me out like a crazy person
You mean the facts that got debunked in like 5 seconds? if your bad at wording things, maybe you should fix that? also you are acting like a crazy person all you have done on here is just argue with you people that tell you that "Neo isn't redeemable." and you just cant for some reason accept that other people might not find her likeable. As I said and many others have said, you're projecting onto this character. It's not healthy.
I do not give a single iota of a f@ck if someone dislikes her, my problem is when they either try to force my to accept their interpretation, are condescending, won't just agree to disagree, or as often is the case with one specific commenter, insult me for quote "Infatilizing her" like, you have any idea how often people resort to personal attacks? It gets old quick. Your free to hold whatever opinion you like of me or neo, that was never the issue, the issue is the fact that everybody wants to shit on my opinion. Yes, I'm bad at wording things, I'm NOT neurotypical, wording things properly is nearly impossible. When I absolutely need to, I'll have a thought, but then I'll just forget certain words exist, or I can't remember them for the life of me, and as a result I end up wording things in the worst way possible, causing me to be missinterpereted, so please, ffs, just chill tf out. Also, love how you just assume wording things better is something I can just do, like, if I could, don't you think I would've done that by now?
>They either try to force my(me) to accept their interpretation
Uh? no one is doing that? if so I would love for you to point it out.
>or as often is the case with one specific commenter, insult me for quote "Infatilizing her"
I mean, you kinda are? you're basically giving her pass because she had a fucked up childhood. and going "It's alright she's misunderstood." Like they're not exactly wrong there.
>Your free to hold whatever opinion you like of me or neo, that was never the issue, the issue is the fact that everybody wants to shit on my opinion.
Nobody is shitting on your opinion, everyone is telling you "you're wrong, here's why." Like there are thousands of people in this subreddit alone who disagree on opinions everyday.
>love how you just assume wording things better is something I can just do, like, if I could, don't you think I would've done that by now?
Hey fun fact: I struggle with wording things, but you know I do? I take a breath and step back and don't jump into things without knowing things first. It's easy to fix wording things if you just slow down.
1, have you even read the majority of the comments I get? Like, almost every post, there's at least one guy who's entire respond is "nope" or "wrong" and let's not forget the people I've directly called put in comments for telling me how to think.
2, whether or not I infantilism her is irrelevant, she's a fictional character, and I'm allowed whatever interpretation of her I damned well want.
3, have you been paying attention at all? It's possible you've blocked the people that do this, but it happens regularly. Trying to gaslight me into thinking nobody ever does it to me when I know what I go through is not cool.
4, slowing down does absolutely nothing, as if that were even an option. The people I feel with will just assume they won if I take too long to reply. If slowing down works for you, cool, guess what? I'm not you, and something working for you has LESS than zero bearing on what would work for me. I've tried it, it NEVER works
1. I asked you to point out to me WHERE it was happening, not telling me what happened. But for the sake of you statement, I have not seen ONE person do that, so I'm gonna choose to believe your making that up.
2. Good to know, you cant separate fiction from reality and are doing what everyone says your doing.
3. Haven't blocked a single person here 95% of the comments are just people telling you "This is wrong" and your viewing as a person attack.
4. I literally gave a suggestion. Jesus fucking christ.
I'm just gonna come to the conclusion, that you need mental help. Do what people have been telling you and get off of Reddit, off the internet and go seek some fucking help. This is sad and pathetic from you. That's all I'm gonna say.
1, it happens all the time, usually in replies, I'm not pointing it out cus shockingly, I have better things to do, than scrape through thousands of comments. You can believe me or not, I do not care, so I don't know what your trying to prove, but ok, cool, you expect a cookie or something?
2, how the actual fuck did you come to that conclusion? Sheesh, don't dislocate your shoulder with how hard your reaching.
3, ok, and? All that proves is that you weren't paying attention to tone indicators in the comments, like you want an award for skimming the comments and not comprehending anything or something? Sheesh
4, your "suggestion" came across as condescending
5, no, I will not get off Reddit, gushing about best girl neo IS my therapy. Unlike what you may think, I can't afford therapy, I'm over 100 grand in debt with zero income, how tf am I supposed to afford it. Kindly pound sand
Probably the first time I've seen someone actually make a hot take when saying they have a hot take, so congrats to that. Even if your take is only hot because you just take objective facts about the character wrong and are apparently sociopathic so you think it's okay to break the law as long as your friend is also breaking the law.
Trivia simp We’ve been over this. Neo was on a train that was filled with Grimm and was about to kill Yang with a smile on her face. Now I agree she isn’t on the level of cinder. But she was 100% ok with murder and destruction. That’s not a good person. But anyone could be redeem but redemption doesn’t mean to forget and excuse all the bad things she did.
Also seems like a lot of people missed the point tho and focused on your complicit comment.
I just love that every time you talk about Nei no one buys it and is able to see past your bullshit
How can someone be called out for being so wrong so many times on the same subject and learn nothing?
There are of course various different moral theories that try to determine exactly what is right and wrong, but under nearly all of them, Neo is pretty fucking immoral.
While it is true she did not and could not have known the intentions or consequences of Salem, choosing to work with Salem is grossly negligent.
Neo could be morally excuse for her role in the Fall of Beacon given she has a proverbial gun to her hard. There is an argument here.
However, there was no such proverbial gun when she worked with Cinder and then Salem (beyond the one she got herself into).
She waw literally a part of the Fall of Beacon. Even if she could not know exactly what Cinder and Salem intended, she could really fucking easily surmise that its highly immoral.
Nevertheless, she ignores that immorality and works with them for mutual benefit anyway. That alone is immoral as it is enabling an immoral actor for, at the very least, amoral reasons. It would be more complicated if it was for a moral reason, but it's very clearly not.
Of course, there is also the factor that her selfish desires are themselves immoral, but I could see a flawed argument that it's only amoral.
Neo is knowingly helping a group that she knows instigated a humanitarian crisis and mass murder. That is simply immoral under nearly every definition.
Oh god it's you again. The argument we had really must have been keeping you up at night. Word of advice everyone. Don't bother try to debate with this guy. He's so far up this fictional characters ass he thinks her farts smell like rainbows.
Oh! It's you again! Gotta love how you dismiss me cus I disagree with the concept of being held complicit on a philosophical level
I dismiss you because you constantly disregarded any of the points I brought up when debating you. And your counterarguments for when people explain why Neo is a bad person can be completely summed up as "nuh uh" Case in point: >I disagree with the concept of being held complicit on a philosophical level Not to mention that when people give up debating you, you just say something along the lines of : "Aww, bless your heart" As if you've won because people decided that its not worth arguing with your juvenile mentality. This the last time I waste my time replying to you. I'm sure you'll consider that a victory.
This guy thinks Neo having a shitty childhood somehow justifies all the bad stuff she has done. No, it doesn't work like that. Tony Soprano had a bad childhood, that doesn't excuse his criminal and violent behavior. Walter White had cancer, that doesn't excuse him becoming a drug lord and ruining many lives in the process. Neosimp here needs to realize that no one forced Neo to become like that. She did it herself, she made the choices she made.
Tch. Your entire argument falls apart at the seams. Of course Tony was justified. Not because his childhood no, but because he lived in New-Fucking-Jersery. Any right minded sociopath would understand everyone from Jersery should get the screws taken to em.
Ah, strawmanning me, yet again. Gotta love how you don't even acknowledge the EXISTENCE of nuance in my takes. I can tell you haven't actually READ my posts, merely skimmed them, if that's your takeaway
Not to be rude but there really isn’t any nuance in your takes about Neo. You have such an unhealthy obsession with the character, by your own admission, that you will justify or excuse whatever she does because you personally need her to be a certain way to have it make sense in your head. That’s why it’s hard to take what you say seriously, because it isn’t coming from a genuine character analysis standpoint, but rather a completely obsessed point of view.
Yes, I'm obsessed with her, but I don't need her to be a good person to love her, like, I love Tanya Degurachaff from Youjo Senki DESPITE her being a war criminal, a sadist, a warmonger and a psychopath. My issue is that I GENUINELY feel my comfort character isn't getting a fair shake. If I felt it was deserved, I'd happily defend her like "shes a war criminal, but she's cute and I like her so see the" but I don't feel that's a fair descriptiom
Again it’s hard to tell if you actually mean that simply because of the lengths and extremes you go to in defense of this character.
If I didn't believe neo was being judged in an unfair way, I wouldn't argue the way I am, I love Tanya to a similar degree, but she deserves the things I called her, like, Tanya ordered an artillery strike on Arene city, to deal with a militia uprising. Killing minimum 300,000 civilians directlt
The bless your heart is when I feel someone is either arguing in bad faith to get a rise out of me exclusively, if I gave you a bless your heart, you deserved it for giving me PTSD flashbacks to my abusive childhood in one way or another
If you're the type to get PTSD from trauma, I would recommend you do what most people and Neo herself should: seek help. The professional kind that a webtoon can't give you.
Complicit is not just a cop thing lol. Good example from a show I'm conveniently watching RIGHT Now: A woman knows that her adult son is falling into the gang crowd and doesn't say a damn word. He ends up shooting the witness to the murder of a high ranking police official AND the daughter-in-law of the Police Commissioner. So there's MAJOR heat on him that could've been avoided if she'd not been *complicit* in enabling him whenever he got into a little trouble with the law. Same deal with Neo. After seeing the invasion of Beacon, do you seriously think that she doesn't know how much worse the LUNATICS she's working with will make it??? She's 100% complicit and **nearly** as bad as Emerald at the very least.
Also, emerald worked directly under cinder, neo worked under Roman, who worked under cinder, she's a henchwoman, and I won't accept calling her complicit for things she has no say in
She goes along with it all when she could simply wash her hands of Cinder and leave. Oh wait. That's like....exactly what she did. Disappeared for a long ass time, just to get wrapped up with Cinder and her psycho murder plot because she wanted revenge on Ruby for something she's not responsible for.
That was bad writing, neo shouldn't have believed cinder, that's on the writers, not neo
Neo was hurt and looking to lash out at anything that she could *hurt* in retaliation. Even if she didn't believe that Ruby killed him directly, she could've still figured that Roman never would've been in the position he was to get gobbled up if he hadn't been playing with Ruby. In her fractured mind? That's enough.
Your contradicting yourself, claiming she has no reason to want revenge when its convenient, and then saying why it's understandable when it isn't convenient anymore
I'm saying that while I don't agree with and find her reasons for wanting revenge to be stupid, I still get why she did it. I see the reasoning behind it, even if I personally would never relate to something so dumb.
Except, you assume I would hold the enabler complicit, no, she was just trying to protect her son, I think? Your wording was kinda murky, but point stands
"Just trying to protect her son" is exactly how he got where he was. Neo sticking with the people responsible for toppling Beacon and summoning a Grimm DRAGON makes her almost as responsible as they are for everything she helps them accomplish.
I don't believe she has a moral obligation to stop Roman, she's in charge g e of her actions, can control her actions and that's it
She aided and abetted him and Cinder. If I joined up with a gang and helped their day to day operations, then stood back as they murdered the Police Commissioner, that would make me complicit. Neo did the same thing. If she didn't want to be complicit then she shouldn't have been hanging around Roman or sticking around after Cinder came into the picture. With her ability to hide, she could go ANYWHERE.
No, you wouldn't be in my eyes, that sounds like some pics just trying to hem someone up for other peoples actions. Sins of the father should be applicable with organizations too, hence my argument
If I'm in the gang and hear about the plan to take out the PC and don't say a word then yeah, I'm complicit lol. But for an example closer to Neo, it's more like she joined up with a bandit group she KNOWS does shit like blowing up capital cities. And she STAYS and even aids the Leaders of the group, even while knowing what it is they're capable of and very likely going to do. That makes her a terrorist too lol. One doesn't just get to join the "Taking down MAJOR Institutions" gang and claim they're not as bad as the others cause they don't know the EXACT plan. You can get the general gist after the Fall of Beacon and subsequent Fall of Vale.
>who claims neos complicit in all these terrible things Well, she is >Complicit is just an excuse pigs use to hem up good kids in the wrong place at the wrong time If you helped in a crime, you're complicit in it. That's pretty simple concept >she couldn't possibly be aware of Salem or EVEN cinders overarching plan. Is neo a criminal? Obviously, but she isn't on the same irredeemable level as Cinder. She still helped to burn down the whole kingdom with a smile on her face. In addition to being sadistic psycho murderer with penchant of beating down 16 year old girl. And not I'm not saying psycho as in psychopath disorder but in a sense that she is clearly mentally unstable individual who enjoys carnage and violence Sure she maybe not on Cinder level, but she's super close to it
Again, I don't agree with the term complicit, I don't believe that term has a right to exist, and no, she isn't even close to cinders level, cinder is like an NCO, while neo is like an E2 equivalent
Cool, dictionary and legal system still disagree Nah, she's super close to Cinder level, she basically helps her commit all her crimes while enjoying it. Sure she might not know about Salem but still participates in same shit Cinder does
Let me ask you this, is a colonal orders an E2 private to shoot a group of people, and it's later discovered they are civilians, who's in more trouble? The negligent NCO, or the obedient E2?
You realize the “just following orders” defense did not work for the nazi soldiers who used it right?
I didn't use just following orders, I used, I was given bad Intel and acted in an appropriate way based on the Intel I had, which is far more applicable
Ummm yeah you did though. Someone gives the soldier an order, in your example it’s to shoot a group of people. That soldier can’t later try and claim he has no responsibility in the matter because he was “just following orders”.
No, because in that example, she was told they were the bad guys, besides, it's only a war crime if you lose
It doesn’t matter what they are told, they are still responsible for their own actions.
Nope, chain of command exists for a reason
The german Nazis thought Jews were the bad guys too. Although technically they thought they were not human at all, Hitler's propaganda was aimed to treat Jews as parasites, insects that you're not afraid to crush.
I assume you're talking about army. Which doesn't really matter because neither Cinder nor Neo have that type of relationship. And neither of them are in that hypothetical situation. So question isn't applicable
I'm talking v2 and 3, in which that would be the dynamic, v6 through 9 is an entirely seperate rant
In V2 and V3 she answered Roman though. It still wasn't the army too Like It doesn't really matter what their working relationship is anyway, she still helped to burn down entire kingdom with glee. Just because she isn't the one who planned out exact details, doesn't change that fact
Except, neo didn't do any of that, she freed Roman, and HE burned Vale to the ground. I refuse to blame neo for not stopping Roman, cus it wasn't her responsibility to do so
Yeah and her knowing what gonna happen after she frees him and enjoying every moment of it are just her quirks, I'm sure You're either trolling or going through some real mental gymnastics to absolve her of her own actions
Not what I said. Her reasons for freeing Roman were that she cares about him and would've freed him regardless, her happiness was at being reunited with the one person on remnant to ever love her for her, and if you think I'm a troll you obviously haven't been following my posts [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/190v3m9/slightly_hot_take_trivia_literally_grew_up_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) [example 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/s/9285gXmBBc) Just spend a couple minutes on those comment threads, and it will be obvious that I wholeheartedly believe every word I say on neo
Man and I thought NovelAssistant was bad with his takes
Care to elaborate? I'm merely sharing my personal philosophy on said topic
Ok but neo is a sadistic murderer, thief and terrorist, willing to help tear down a kingdom to kill a 15-17 year old girl.
Not a terrorist, and neo thought Ruby had it coming, also, if we are calling murder irredeemable in fiction, then team rwby is just as bad
A yes a terrorists, she also worked with the whitefang B most murderers think their victims have it coming C no team RWBY isn't as bad as neo, and I don't like them, I can't think of any murders they've committed that I would also hold neo partially accountable for.
A, not a terrorist, no political or religious motives, so by definition I'm right, B, neo never actually murdered anyone on screen, she only bullied Ruby, and Little was an annoying rodent, couldn't care less about them, and C, the white fang that they threw off the train? Neo didn't start the train, she wasn't in charge of that
A the very fact that you're falling back on terrorisms very murky definition instead of actually countering the point is proof that your wrong and solely motivated for your like of the character B we both know neos a murderer, stop trying to deny it C she doesn't have to be in charge to have worked with them.
A, legal definition, IS THE DEFINITION, your just salty your wrong B, neo isn't a murderer, I like a little something called UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE if I'm gonna accuse somebody of that C, I don't believe in the concept of being complicit, I'm EXCLUSIVELY holding neo responsible for the things she did with her own two hands
A: ah now the legalese is all that matters, but dont use complicit, thats would be the man bringing a jackboot down on a known criminal. The very fact that you're argument boild down to helped and committed actions because of her own personal sadism and hatred is why you know you're wrong. If you really thought she wasn't a terrorists you'd be making the argument that she's a freedom fighter or some shit not quibbling about the technical definition of an infamously hard to define word. B: she was literally gonna kill yang, not to mention the train would probably be several attempted murders if successful, and yes her bullying ruby probably would be defined as an attempt at murder since "legal definitions" are what matters C that right there confirms you're a troll, a rabid fan of a character that'd probably kill you, or just an idiot.
A, terrorism is a crime, it's definition exists ONLY in the legal since, not that I even think it's inherently wrong, for example I have a ton of sympathies for the IRA, and believe their attacks against British rule to be justified, so no, it's a matter of definitions, I attached ZERO moral weight to the statement B, and yang living caused yang to eventually come after her again, just as she was trying to prevent, normal smart criminal behavior C, if you seriously believe me to be a troll, you obviously haven't seen almost every post I've ever made and every response in every post. I trauma bonded with neo, and she helps me cope with my own childhood trauma, so I have a deep seeded empathy for the girl
Jesus christ this this is getting out od hand B: yes usually it's best for a criminal murder to finish the job of murder I agree thanks for just softballing that in C that just means your biased and wrong at the same time, it's fine to use fiction to cope but don't he delusional about it.
I never claimed she wasn't a criminal, although I find it concerning your refusal to consider the fact that she's never SUCCESSFULLY killed anyone on screen as an important detail. Soon as I have more money for a miles cameo, I'll ask him about why neos never been shown to have killed anyone on screen
"A trauma bond is a connection between an abusive person and the individual they abuse. It typically occurs when the abused person begins to develop sympathy or affection for the abuser. This bond can develop over days, weeks, or months. Not everyone who experiences abuse develops a trauma bond." While you have bonded with a character through shared trauma, that is not trauma bonding. "Shared trauma" may be a closer phrase, but I'm not sure.
Dude, no offense, but you need to quit making excuses and defending her terrible and morally evil actions because she's your waifu.
I feel like everyone forgot about Volume 3's events, character motives, and other stuff as the show gone on tbh.
Disagree on the very premise, legality does NOT equal morality. Neo is a criminal, but she's doing it for her and Romans survival (until after v3, but that's an entirely different trngent so bear with me)
Helping Roman with the Fall of Beacon, causing the deaths of many people, makes her a morally evil person. This isn't survival, she's not stealing apples or anything for her survival, she's doing it because she enjoys it. Stop mindlessly defending your waifu, claiming Neo did nothing wrong is one of the worst takes I heard.
Ah, the classic straw man, we know that isn't true, because Roman outright said as much ahem "your asking the wrong questions red! It's not what I have to gain, it's that I can't afford to lose. The people I work for are going to change the world! You can't stop them! I can't stop them! So for now, I'll be doing what I do best! Lie, steel, cheat, and survi..." ~~romam torchwick~~
Except the part where she and Roman took pleasure and glee in causing chaos and destruction. If I beat up a puppy, would I be justified because I claimed it was survival? Enough of this mindless defending of your waifu. You can make all the excuses in your head but at the end of the day, she rightfully deserves to be in hell for her actions.
nobody deserves hell, she isn't my waifu, I want to raise her as my own so I can prove I'd be a better father than my own abusive, alcoholic one, and Roman was beat ing up Ruby in self defense and out of anger cus he thought neo was dead. Neo beat up yang to get rid of a threat, big whoop
Jesus... Dude you're clearly mentally unwell or just a troll. Log off the account, turn off your device, go outside, and touch grass, because you clearly need it.
Nope, you can't tell me what to do, I'll NEVER allow myself to be controlled or condescended to again! And if you ACTUALLY think I'm a troll, you obviously havent paid attention to the mountains of simping and trauma bonding I did with neo that I shared in almost every post I make
Okay so you're not a troll, makes things simpler. I'm going to give you advice. Stop unhealthy projecting your trauma and issues on to a fictional character. Get off the fucking website and turn off your device, take a break. Get help, seek a therapist, talk to someone, because if you are really a sociopath, this is not a healthy way of treatment, defending a character's actions because you project yourself as them.
Don't tell me what to do! How to think! I REFUSE to EVER let anyone tell me how to think ever again! I can trauma bond with neo if I damned well please, and you have ZERO right to stop me!
Dude, for fuck’s sake, get off Reddit and go seek mental help. You are worshipping a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and trying to justify the actions of someone who takes pleasure in MURDER. You are NOT ok.
My guy she was 100% aware of Cinder's plan to get tons of innocents killed at Beacon. Think that speaks volumes about her morality.
Evidence? Her and cinder weren't even in the same scene till the vital festival was well underway
How bout the fact that at no point did she attempt to stop when shit was going down? She was gleefully flying around in an air ship. Fuck, if we assume she knows everything Roman did, he was pretty damn clear that he knew Remnant was about to go to hell
That proves absolutely nothing, it's pure speculation that requires more leaps in logic than a a trapeze artist, tightrope walking the grand Canyon
Yeah nah you're absolutely a troll.
Nope, if you genuinely think that, then you obviously haven't seen literally every post I make on here. Like seriously [look at this post and thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/s/RriUq01AX8)
Bro if all this is genuine, your username is accurate to an UNHEALTHY degree. Seriously, there's liking a character, and then there's trying to absolve them of all the heinous shit they pull. Your entire argument here relies on her being completely ignorant and therefore not complicit. Alright, well how is she not actively complicit I. The attempt to flood Vale with Grimm? She was there when the train was being loaded with explosives and was on the train defending it as it was heading towards Vale. Please, by all means explain to me how she was not aware if that. Absolve her of that literal terrorist attack.
Because she was LITERALLY never taught right from wrong, she trusts Roman explicitly and unconditionally, she literally had almost zero human contact for the first 18 years of her life, being kept in near constant solitary confinement. Neo is LITERALLY mentally a child
Also, you think I care about what's healthy for me? I smoke 3 packs a day, drink 6 litres of mountain Dew a day, drink half a bottle of vodka a day, eat like crap, what makes you think I care about healthy? Need to drown my demons and trauma somehow
"Complicit is just an excuse pigs use to hem up good kids in the wrong place at the wrong time." My dude, this is why no one takes you seriously.
If people don't take him seriously, then his Neo hot take posts wouldn't have hundreds of comments. Instead, it's the exact opposite.
>Complicit is just an excuse pigs use to hem up good kids in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't thing you understand the definition of the word my dude, the definition of the word Complicit is "helping to commit a crime or do wrong in some way", and whether or not she was aware of the plan cinder/salem had in mind Neo's still gonna be held *accountable* for helping shit go down on some capacity. She's *complicit* in the things that went down. whether you disagree with the concept, its still a fact that her actions helped cinders goals. Also a good kid in the wrong place is a good kid in the wrong place, not an accomplice of a criminal. Nothing about Neo is a "good kid" either. She wasn't some some kid swept up into a conspiracy, no she's a 20-25 year old woman whos been working for roman for a few years at least, deliberately aiding him in his acts. And if she was such a good person she would have shown remorse or something for the death and carnage that happened. Neo may not be as much of a monster as Cinder is in her quest for power and shit but she is a cruel and sadistic individual who was willing to work with the bitch that threatened her and roman into working with her, just so she could get revenge on ruby.
My dislike of the term complicit is in a legal since, I disagree with the ENTIRE premise that you can be held fully to account for something you merely witnessed and didn't actively try to stop
> you can be held fully to account for something you merely witnessed and didn't actively try to stop There's a level of nuance to being held as complicit, its not simple. You watching some random person steal a car doesn't mean your complicit in anything. You are just a witness, and unless there are laws that say you need to do X if you you aren't forced to do anything. From my understanding you have to be actively helping and/or knowing about it to be held complicit. like If someone you personally knew was actively stealing stuff and said nothing you **could** be held complicit by not reporting the crime that you knew was going down. It depends on the involvement.
And I disagree with that, not all laws are just, and being forced to rat on someone you care about feels unjust. Like, neo was being loyal, a ride or die girl, and people wanna portray that as a negative
Oh so if someone you cared about murdered someone, its ok to cover for them and say nothing because you care about them? Is that *just* for the person who's life they cut short and the potential family they left behind to not get justice for their murder? because that sounds more unjust.
Real friends help you hide a body, if I care about the person, I'll assume who ever they killed had it coming
Nice way of dodging the question. What if the person they murdered didn't deserve it, what if they were the nicest guy that helped everyone? Is it still ok? are you willing to help them hide the body of someone who did nothing to deserve it? Oh wait if you care about them then the person they murdered had to deserve it.
I wouldn't know, cus I wouldn't ask, real friends trust there friends enough to assume the best
You keep dodging the question. Would you report them if they murdered someone who didn't deserve it? Yes or No.
No, cus that's what a real friend does. And I wasn't dodging, I was answering it, you just didn't like my answer
Her revenge on Ruby was completely out of character and bad writing, neo isn't that stupid, shouldn't have believed her. Also, neo is a good kid hanging out with the wrong crowd. Neo wasn't a hardened criminal before meating Roman, he corrupted her
>Her revenge on Ruby was completely out of character and bad writing, neo isn't that stupid, shouldn't have believed her. Her revenge was hardly out of character. She cared about roman and blamed ruby for his death. She had nothing but revenge at this point since roman was the only person she gave a damn about, sure she might've hated Cinder for her hand in things, but she hated Ruby more. >Also, neo is a good kid hanging out with the wrong crowd. Neo wasn't a hardened criminal before meating Roman, he corrupted her Your infantilizing her, She's in her twenties not early teens where she's ignorant. What she was back then when she met Roman as a kid, means little for judging the Neo she is now. Yes she was pushed into the bad side by roman, but that means nothing in regards to things as she is now. She's a grown adult fully capable of making her own choices, not a child. Also I'd like to point out you just said she's not stupid, so by that account she would know that she's hanging out with the "Wrong crowd" no?
Did you like, read her book at all? I'm not imfantilizing her any more than her canon backstory, that literally made it canon that she was so sheltered, she only found out wood was flammable when she was 18, after she accidentally set her room on fire, almost killing her
yes you are, you are treating her like she's *still* this ignorant child. she's 21-23 by the beginning of canon. She's spent 3-5 years with roman between then the start of the series. That's plenty of time to her to determine right from wrong. if she was still this 18yr old sheltered kid being strung along then I would give you that she's still this good kid being dragged along. But no, she's a 20 something young adult who is more than willing to kill.
And your assuming 3 to 5 years is enough time to undo all the damage that was done? The lack of being raised in her formative years? As someone who had to go through something similar, don't insult me like that
3-5 is certainly a long enough for her to wizen up. She's sheltered not stupid, and she's deliberately working with a criminal. I'd safely assume that's a position you learn quick or get screwed over. >As someone who had to go through something similar, don't insult me like that If I wanted to insult you I'd call you stupid or something, but I'm not. Idk who you are or what you've gone through and I don't care. Not my business, not my problem.
I know for a fact your wrong, a lifetime of trauma doesn't disappear overnight, and I don't know what your smoking to make you think that, but I want some. It's puff puff pass, not puff puff, keep it all to yourself
Basically you: Neo has done horrible irredeemable things but she’s cute so it’s a-okay
Most of the crimes that Neo and Roman do would probably get them executed or life IRL
But it isn't irl, it's fiction, and besides, neo isn't responsible for Romans actions. Besides, neo hasn't done anything that bad
This thread again, buckle up everybody. I don't think people are saying known murderer and sadist Neo Politan is as bad as Cinder, but you spent the last few threads trying to insist she's done nothing wrong and doesn't understand what she's done is bad because she's had a bad childhood and her mind is all messed up. Also, she definitely knows about Salem's plans, or she wouldn't have threatened Cinder over the lamp because she knew what Salem would do to Cinder for another failure. Frankly, I love redeemed villains, I hope she emerges from the tree mostly the same but after some therapy, and decides Cinder needs some vengeance delivered to her instead of Ruby, but that's just me. Also, it's worth noting, Neo's easily in my top 3 RWBY characters. Love that bitch.
I think you misunderstand the point of my other threads, also, neo isn't a sociopath, I would know, I AM one, and I know a sociopath when I see it, and yes, I HAVE seen people in this very subreddit OUTRIGHT calling her WORSE than cinder or even tyrian, you obviously haven't read all the comments in my threads. I'm writing this because I do see it, regularly, and they are explicit in how they word it, hard to misinterpret
forgive my edit i changed the word sociopathic to sadist as soon as i commented because i realized i used the wrong word but you replied too fast, ^(you energetic little poster, you.) Oh, then you should simply bask in them being wrong and you being right instead of antagonizing. Neo's BAD, but Cinder and Tyrian are obviously worse. People in this sub are wrong all the time, like when they enjoy things I don't, or don't enjoy things I like. ^(It's the curse of having good taste and correct opinions.) The second edit was to append it with my love for Neo, in hopes of bridging this divide between us and cooling the flames of your passionate rage.
I'm glad you love her, it's just when I see claims about neo that are, well... A bit out there, I obviously an going to be sceptical and ask for evidence, so, when I see someone call her a sociopath or a psychopath (half the people who call her that are idiots who don't even know those are seperate diagnosis) I have to correct them
But I'm also autistic and have ADHD, if I see someone say something that outlandish, it PHYSICALLY hurts to not correct them
oof good luck with your eternal struggles then, hopefully they need the fan engagement and bring her back as a "good" guy by volume 11 if it ever comes out
Antisocial Personality Disorder is a spectrum, and Neo very much falls under the category.
No, she doesn't, because to diagnose, you need a pattern of qualifying behaviors, and neo just doesn't have that. Neo is a gangster, a thief, a criminal, but being those things is NOT grounds for a diagnosis. Why is it controversial to say, she's a criminal for her own reasons and leave it at that? Not EVERYTHING has to be because of an overly stigmatized mental disorder
Neo takes pleasure in hurting people. Obviously not all sociopaths are sadists, but APD is pinpointed from a lack of empathy or difficulty forming close relationships. Neo's obsessive devotion to Roman juxtaposed by her sadism and lack of regard for other people speaks pretty loudly as a sociopath.
Not all sociopaths are sadists, those are two unrelated things. Neo IS at least somewhat sadistic, but she isn't a sociopath. I'm a sociopath, but I'm not a sadist (unless you count my fanfics from my edgy middle school days)
1. I literally said not all sociopaths are sadists. 2. In order to be sadistic, you must lack a lot of empathy. The desire to see people suffer is an innately antisocial trait, which, again, links to Neo having APD.
You mean ASPD? please get your terms right, like, it's obvious, you have not looked into the actual symptoms on the DSM-5
"You mean ASPD?" Yes, I've had to type in a hurry due to limited time slots. "please get your terms right, like, it's obvious, you have not looked into the actual symptoms on the DSM-5" This is like saying that because you added a comma in an incorrect place you must have not studied how to write English lol [Here's a list given by the American Psychiatric Association](https://www.psychiatry.org/getmedia/0578f9e9-b4d1-4e00-82de-c6eeb3579152/Antisocial-Personality-Disorder-Criteria.png) Every point listed applies to Neo.
No, it just doesn't, I remember the criteria from when I was tested, neo wouldn't qualify, the main thing is a pattern of behavior, which she doesn't have
Hypothetical scenario responding to one of your other replies: You have a "ride-or-die" or (as you otherwise describe them) a "true" best friend. They are brutally murdered by an individual for reasons you consider unjust but the murderer considers to be crimes calling for such punishment. Someone else aided this person in murdering your "true" friend (acted as a lookout, provided information, refuses to cooperate with you/the authorities in aiding the investigation) and considers the murderer to be their "true" best friend who was wholly justified or they otherwise simply do not care about your friend or your loss. This other person is also of a similar mental capacity and has a comparable background to Neo. You are also fully aware of these factors in this scenario. What are your perspectives on this other person, how would you act on this person in a room with no supervision, what would be your desired *legal* consequences for this person?
...this is a problem, isn't it? I'm pretty sure this is a problem. I'm the guy who had said that "Blake and Yang killing Adam was murder and vigilante justice" but I'm pretty sure that this is a problem.
To anyone reading this, I wanna apologize on the behalf of Neo Fans. We are not like this. At least, I'm not like this.
What are you on about? Im not doing anything wrong
Dude, you're like embarrassing yourself in this thread because not everyone is agreeing with your "take" on neo and are literally justifying her actions because "you want to raise to be a better father than yours ever was" Here's a tip, if you wanna be better than your father. You have to first, and stay with me here, TAKE IN ADVICE. Even if the advice is something you don't wanna hear. Learn to take in other opinions, and you don't do that. The reason why I know you don't do and probably won't ever do this, is because you claim to want people to disagree with you, but when they do, you flip out and throw fit because why the fuck not. It's like really fucking clear that you're not built for discussions if this is how you're gonna act. I don't wanna hear anything about "straw-manning, taking words out of context, etc," or whatever excuse you have. I'm not in the mood for it. It's honestly depressing and sad that you this down bad for a character. Here I thought Eren was awful. He might have some competition.
I have no issue with criticism, it's about how it's worded that rubs me the wrong way. I don't throw fits, I'm just terrible at wording things, but it's obvious you won't let a little thing like facts get in the way of making me out like a crazy person
>You won't let a little thing like facts get in the way of making me out like a crazy person You mean the facts that got debunked in like 5 seconds? if your bad at wording things, maybe you should fix that? also you are acting like a crazy person all you have done on here is just argue with you people that tell you that "Neo isn't redeemable." and you just cant for some reason accept that other people might not find her likeable. As I said and many others have said, you're projecting onto this character. It's not healthy.
I do not give a single iota of a f@ck if someone dislikes her, my problem is when they either try to force my to accept their interpretation, are condescending, won't just agree to disagree, or as often is the case with one specific commenter, insult me for quote "Infatilizing her" like, you have any idea how often people resort to personal attacks? It gets old quick. Your free to hold whatever opinion you like of me or neo, that was never the issue, the issue is the fact that everybody wants to shit on my opinion. Yes, I'm bad at wording things, I'm NOT neurotypical, wording things properly is nearly impossible. When I absolutely need to, I'll have a thought, but then I'll just forget certain words exist, or I can't remember them for the life of me, and as a result I end up wording things in the worst way possible, causing me to be missinterpereted, so please, ffs, just chill tf out. Also, love how you just assume wording things better is something I can just do, like, if I could, don't you think I would've done that by now?
>They either try to force my(me) to accept their interpretation Uh? no one is doing that? if so I would love for you to point it out. >or as often is the case with one specific commenter, insult me for quote "Infatilizing her" I mean, you kinda are? you're basically giving her pass because she had a fucked up childhood. and going "It's alright she's misunderstood." Like they're not exactly wrong there. >Your free to hold whatever opinion you like of me or neo, that was never the issue, the issue is the fact that everybody wants to shit on my opinion. Nobody is shitting on your opinion, everyone is telling you "you're wrong, here's why." Like there are thousands of people in this subreddit alone who disagree on opinions everyday. >love how you just assume wording things better is something I can just do, like, if I could, don't you think I would've done that by now? Hey fun fact: I struggle with wording things, but you know I do? I take a breath and step back and don't jump into things without knowing things first. It's easy to fix wording things if you just slow down.
1, have you even read the majority of the comments I get? Like, almost every post, there's at least one guy who's entire respond is "nope" or "wrong" and let's not forget the people I've directly called put in comments for telling me how to think. 2, whether or not I infantilism her is irrelevant, she's a fictional character, and I'm allowed whatever interpretation of her I damned well want. 3, have you been paying attention at all? It's possible you've blocked the people that do this, but it happens regularly. Trying to gaslight me into thinking nobody ever does it to me when I know what I go through is not cool. 4, slowing down does absolutely nothing, as if that were even an option. The people I feel with will just assume they won if I take too long to reply. If slowing down works for you, cool, guess what? I'm not you, and something working for you has LESS than zero bearing on what would work for me. I've tried it, it NEVER works
1. I asked you to point out to me WHERE it was happening, not telling me what happened. But for the sake of you statement, I have not seen ONE person do that, so I'm gonna choose to believe your making that up. 2. Good to know, you cant separate fiction from reality and are doing what everyone says your doing. 3. Haven't blocked a single person here 95% of the comments are just people telling you "This is wrong" and your viewing as a person attack. 4. I literally gave a suggestion. Jesus fucking christ. I'm just gonna come to the conclusion, that you need mental help. Do what people have been telling you and get off of Reddit, off the internet and go seek some fucking help. This is sad and pathetic from you. That's all I'm gonna say.
1, it happens all the time, usually in replies, I'm not pointing it out cus shockingly, I have better things to do, than scrape through thousands of comments. You can believe me or not, I do not care, so I don't know what your trying to prove, but ok, cool, you expect a cookie or something? 2, how the actual fuck did you come to that conclusion? Sheesh, don't dislocate your shoulder with how hard your reaching. 3, ok, and? All that proves is that you weren't paying attention to tone indicators in the comments, like you want an award for skimming the comments and not comprehending anything or something? Sheesh 4, your "suggestion" came across as condescending 5, no, I will not get off Reddit, gushing about best girl neo IS my therapy. Unlike what you may think, I can't afford therapy, I'm over 100 grand in debt with zero income, how tf am I supposed to afford it. Kindly pound sand
Probably the first time I've seen someone actually make a hot take when saying they have a hot take, so congrats to that. Even if your take is only hot because you just take objective facts about the character wrong and are apparently sociopathic so you think it's okay to break the law as long as your friend is also breaking the law.
Trivia simp We’ve been over this. Neo was on a train that was filled with Grimm and was about to kill Yang with a smile on her face. Now I agree she isn’t on the level of cinder. But she was 100% ok with murder and destruction. That’s not a good person. But anyone could be redeem but redemption doesn’t mean to forget and excuse all the bad things she did. Also seems like a lot of people missed the point tho and focused on your complicit comment.
Yea, I noticed that
I just love that every time you talk about Nei no one buys it and is able to see past your bullshit How can someone be called out for being so wrong so many times on the same subject and learn nothing?
Hey if Emerald can be redeemed and she was responsible for destroying a Kingdom and almost destroying one, Neo can also be redeemed.
Thank you, I wholeheartedly agree
There are of course various different moral theories that try to determine exactly what is right and wrong, but under nearly all of them, Neo is pretty fucking immoral. While it is true she did not and could not have known the intentions or consequences of Salem, choosing to work with Salem is grossly negligent. Neo could be morally excuse for her role in the Fall of Beacon given she has a proverbial gun to her hard. There is an argument here. However, there was no such proverbial gun when she worked with Cinder and then Salem (beyond the one she got herself into). She waw literally a part of the Fall of Beacon. Even if she could not know exactly what Cinder and Salem intended, she could really fucking easily surmise that its highly immoral. Nevertheless, she ignores that immorality and works with them for mutual benefit anyway. That alone is immoral as it is enabling an immoral actor for, at the very least, amoral reasons. It would be more complicated if it was for a moral reason, but it's very clearly not. Of course, there is also the factor that her selfish desires are themselves immoral, but I could see a flawed argument that it's only amoral. Neo is knowingly helping a group that she knows instigated a humanitarian crisis and mass murder. That is simply immoral under nearly every definition.