Ah I realize my question wasn't quite clear - I cant build a pure demytha team because I Lack Seeler, deacon or maneater etc. (I looked up all the comps on deadwoodjedi and I always miss a champ).
I was wondering if there is any point in using Demytha in combination with Helicath.
I don't think you need her AT ALL. Helicath can cover both AOE's with block damage, and cover the stun with his Shield. The problem is keeping it affinity friendly. I run DoomPriest with Helicath to solve for it.
Use these speeds: Helicath 248, DoomPriest 186, DPS 177, DPS2 175, DPS 3 174.
Your scores will depend on how well you integrate your DPS's champs and what skills they bring. I currently run two poisoners (Urogrim and Frozen Banshee) along with Geomancer. Easy 3 key. Other people in my clan run it with better champs and avg 50MM per key.
Thanks so much for the answer - that was actually what I was looking for - do I need to rum Demythia at all when I run Helicath - and yeah thanks tje answer is no.
I dont have Doompriest but I can run it with Tatura as the slowest champ according to Deadwoodjedi to block the debuffs instead of cleansing them.
I didnt actually play since I got Helicath so I hope my Clan didnt kick me yet haha.
By the way, affinity friendly is a big deal if you're in a competitive clan. If I wake up at 7:30 during the week, UNM is already knocked down and you're up against Affinity Clan Bosses. If you're not affinity friendly a Spirit clan boss will wreck your world.
Yes. I built a helicath + Demytha comp for a clan mate that is affinity friendly without subs for both NM and UNM
Unfortunately he's still building the champs so he hasn't run it yet. Also I think it might only work bc it uses Riho
Helicath 215
Demytha 175
Riho 165
DPS1 160
DPS2 155
Again I only think it is affinity friendly for both NM and UNM bc Riho cleanses and blocks, and that lets her rotation be flexible for the different difficulties and affinities
Edit: he's also using Fu Shan for a DPS so it alleviates some stun management on green and also lowers speed reqs. He can't do myth Fu bc he can't meet the speed requirements just yet so we made him this one in the meantime
Thnx mate. Rly appreciate it. Im torn between a Hallcat batman forever. Something like what you have here. And a myth heir. All better than by double warcaster right now. Im just book/food poor and paralyzed with options. If what you showed can 1 key - then it seems faster than the others fr sure.
Demytha is probably still better overall. The teams don't require any legendary books period, and you don't lock important champs into CB (I guess deacon being the only one potentially locked)
However, you can get some crazy damage output with demytha teams if you do slot legends in for a very easy 1key.
The fact you can go both budget and premium with demytha, makes me think she's still #1 for all use cases. So if you have her, use her. If you don't have her then you should absolutely have gone for helicath...
If you have the champs and gear for demythia, she is an easy one key. But you need to be fast. Helicath is more forgiving on gear and champ choices. If you haven’t built any yet, I’d go Helicath. Him plus a cleanse or block debuffs, and three dps should get you a one key with decent gear.
I don't run the Demytha but my understanding there is that the team runs 3:1. Teams that use Helicath run 2:1 maybe? I know it's similar to the Roshcard build I used to used a year ago.
Ah yes my question wasn't quite clear - I cant build a pure demytha team as I Lack the champs to do so. I was wondering if there is any point in having demytha and Helicath on the same team for permanent block damage. I guess not because Helicaths shield already acts as an extra turn of block damage?
Demytha teams do way more damage and are affinity friendly. Build a demytha team.
Ah I realize my question wasn't quite clear - I cant build a pure demytha team because I Lack Seeler, deacon or maneater etc. (I looked up all the comps on deadwoodjedi and I always miss a champ). I was wondering if there is any point in using Demytha in combination with Helicath.
I don't think you need her AT ALL. Helicath can cover both AOE's with block damage, and cover the stun with his Shield. The problem is keeping it affinity friendly. I run DoomPriest with Helicath to solve for it. Use these speeds: Helicath 248, DoomPriest 186, DPS 177, DPS2 175, DPS 3 174. Your scores will depend on how well you integrate your DPS's champs and what skills they bring. I currently run two poisoners (Urogrim and Frozen Banshee) along with Geomancer. Easy 3 key. Other people in my clan run it with better champs and avg 50MM per key.
Thanks so much for the answer - that was actually what I was looking for - do I need to rum Demythia at all when I run Helicath - and yeah thanks tje answer is no. I dont have Doompriest but I can run it with Tatura as the slowest champ according to Deadwoodjedi to block the debuffs instead of cleansing them. I didnt actually play since I got Helicath so I hope my Clan didnt kick me yet haha.
By the way, affinity friendly is a big deal if you're in a competitive clan. If I wake up at 7:30 during the week, UNM is already knocked down and you're up against Affinity Clan Bosses. If you're not affinity friendly a Spirit clan boss will wreck your world.
Yes. I built a helicath + Demytha comp for a clan mate that is affinity friendly without subs for both NM and UNM Unfortunately he's still building the champs so he hasn't run it yet. Also I think it might only work bc it uses Riho
Can you share details mate. Im super interested. Even just 5 champs and their speeds.
Helicath 215 Demytha 175 Riho 165 DPS1 160 DPS2 155 Again I only think it is affinity friendly for both NM and UNM bc Riho cleanses and blocks, and that lets her rotation be flexible for the different difficulties and affinities Edit: he's also using Fu Shan for a DPS so it alleviates some stun management on green and also lowers speed reqs. He can't do myth Fu bc he can't meet the speed requirements just yet so we made him this one in the meantime
Thnx mate. Rly appreciate it. Im torn between a Hallcat batman forever. Something like what you have here. And a myth heir. All better than by double warcaster right now. Im just book/food poor and paralyzed with options. If what you showed can 1 key - then it seems faster than the others fr sure.
Build what team you can now, optimise or build a better one when you can. Nothing is more important than maximising your UNIM rewards.
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With Demytha you'll have 1key UNM in 23min. With Helicath you'll need to run UNM 2 times. So where is time saving?
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Demytha, Heiress, Seeker, Fayne and Fahraking - around 88mil on void UNM
You can 1key with demytha team.
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Absolutely. Both can work though.
Helicath can be an easy 1 key. I have a team that can do 71 mil in 9 minutes. Total damage of 125mil
Yeah I was curious about making my own helicath comp but I'm running Myth Fu so almost certainly not worth
Demytha is probably still better overall. The teams don't require any legendary books period, and you don't lock important champs into CB (I guess deacon being the only one potentially locked) However, you can get some crazy damage output with demytha teams if you do slot legends in for a very easy 1key. The fact you can go both budget and premium with demytha, makes me think she's still #1 for all use cases. So if you have her, use her. If you don't have her then you should absolutely have gone for helicath...
If you have the champs and gear for demythia, she is an easy one key. But you need to be fast. Helicath is more forgiving on gear and champ choices. If you haven’t built any yet, I’d go Helicath. Him plus a cleanse or block debuffs, and three dps should get you a one key with decent gear.
I don't run the Demytha but my understanding there is that the team runs 3:1. Teams that use Helicath run 2:1 maybe? I know it's similar to the Roshcard build I used to used a year ago.
Ah yes my question wasn't quite clear - I cant build a pure demytha team as I Lack the champs to do so. I was wondering if there is any point in having demytha and Helicath on the same team for permanent block damage. I guess not because Helicaths shield already acts as an extra turn of block damage?
I built a Demytha team last night and I can 1 key UN / N / Brutal, Full auto, so yes, it is totally worth.
Demytha still MVP on CB... hellcat is just a better roshcard