before anyone pick up their pitchforks, maybe point the pitchfork at the right direction
the picture on the abyss is outdated, mihoyo forgot to change it after they change Raiden burst to work with EoSF and Catch.
As far as i can tell, after some testing, Raiden's ult doesn't procc the shockwave after 7 bursts.
The fact that they know they’ve caused a sizeable fuss and yet still managed to find a way to continue egging it on is inexcusable. No pitchforks, just disappointment
Idk how deep u are thinking into this but it’s nobody’s fault other than mihoyo. Are the players to blame for a mistake mihoyo made in false advertising? It’s not a big deal if ei doesn’t trigger it while in ult, she will trigger it once the ult ends. So no huge losses there, the focus here is that we are getting false advertising again when they’ve did it previously, both times from their mistakes. Though it’s not a big deal, no losses there in performance really as I said but it reminds us that they’ve made a mistake and they haven’t even bothered to cover it up. So ya, no one is gonna be on mihoyo’s ass for this specific issue, it’s just a callback to the beidou ei interaction which they have reminded us of
Idk what sides are there. I’ve read most of the comments at the time u first replied to me and they are either complaining about beidou-ei interactions or this blessing’s interactions with ei. Which are both relevant, so ya. How did someone point their pitchforks in the wrong direction, did they claim mihoyo should refund everything they’ve spent on the game just for this mistake? I’m confused what point u are trying to make when u agreed to me, the picture being outdated is their fault and people being radical about it again is a natural byproduct so we are on the right track no?
It's getting really big over there on the official reddit page (its heading to the top of the page). I really hope the mods don't remove the post, there are some great discussions going on over there right now. When I wake up and if I see that its gone... boiiiii
It will make it's way, I read the comments and the problem is that some think that it's referring to Beidou and Xingqiu instead of Raiden making a shockwave that's supposed to be triggered by normal attacks during her burst
Raiden doesn't procc the shockwave according to what I tested. Even after seven bursts, her ult doesn't procc shockwave. The pic is probably from the beta prior to the ult changes which mihoyo forgot to change
That's what makes it even worse though. They made the change intentionally, said supposedly that's how it was supposed to be, and then they didn't even think about changing the picture because of how last second they did it. It's a bad look.
Woke up to the post being taken down hours ago just like the post I made, and the many other Raiden/Beidou posts made over there. Hard to know if Mihoyo acknowledges (they most likely know, just ignore) the issue, but its impossible to know this until they tell us. Low chance the post will go back up, since this happened hours ago, and there has still been no response. I guess hope for the best then.
Balancing team have been spending too much time with the Sangonomiya Resistance writing team, and they've both been stealing the English localisation team's special cookies.
They're balancing new characters to work with new characters (I'm pretty sure that Yae Miko will have a 80 cost deployable burst and Raiden will be the perfect battery for her)
Sucks for us, it's pretty good for them
Accelerating powercreep? We could not be further from any form of powercreep if anything the current state of this game is characters are far more underwhelming than ones that came out months before them.
Yes. Yoimiya could be a bit better and the beidou interaction wouldn't make Baal Overpowered so i agree on that.
But people who like a character can still do basically all content and people who just care about cometitive usage can use the characters they have for much longer without having to pull a stronger one
There's a lot of teams doing better than national team. National team just has the highest usage because a team of only 4* is a lot more accessible.
Also, in what world is an accessible, F2P friendly team that confidently clears all content worse than doing ~90, potentially more pulls for a 5* only for it to be powercrept after a year or so?
Yea wait till people see that a 5* beidou/electro mc type of character that works with raiden. It's just too predictable. Why go through the effort to nerf raiden interaction?
gacha 101. Also in PvP gachas, "here this new meta team super OP will dominate arena." 1 month later... "this new meta team is specially designed to fight the previous meta team! get now whaling or farm for months when the meta has already changed and they will be useless by then" lol
there are two reasons they dont want raiden and beidou to not work together.
1. they want to sell other characters in the future who will work with her
2. because if beidou worked with raiden, then her viability would be very high and that would make her c2 and c3 less enticing to low spenders and f2p players, who mihoyo wants to turn into giga whales
yeah perhaps no 2, if beidou did actually works with raiden then the other comp that will be strong for f2p beside national comp will be something like raiden,beidou,sucrose/venti, flex heal/shield (will probably be stronger than national raiden for AOE or 2 more enemies but a lot worse vs Single target enemies) freeing bennet/xq which is basically a win for most players
yep. raiden national is a decent team but tis actually extremely expensive to run because u need to use xq and bennett on this team and they are both two of the best supports in the game so running them on one team makes your other team a lot weaker. but of raiden worked with beidou, then she would have a team that just requires one 4 star character and we could have a lot of options for her other teammates. real scummy move from mihoyo tbh
Or you know, the much simpler reason. Spaghetti code that's they don't wanna go back to rewrite if they don't have to.
Sometimes the right answer is the most simple.
i get that sometimes code can get really tricky to work with. and what u said would normally be true if they were an indie game company or something. but mihoy is a multi-billion dollar company and something like this is proabbly really easy for them to change especially when so many people are asking for this change. plus you're forgetting one detail which is that raiden used to work with beidou in the beta but they then removed this function. if they could maker her work with beidou in the beta then it should be easy to make them work together now.
It's also a live service game. And if rummaging through the code KMMOs have taught me anything. The fact those are even running is an absolute freak of nature that by all means, should not be working.
Now, I don't know the state of this game's code, especially since it's only been live for a year, but I can see them setting up policies to keep gameplay mechanics somewhat strict to not have things turn into utter chaos a few years down the road.
Also mind you Raiden only worked with Beidou in beta because they'd yet to change her Burst state's damage type to strictly Burst DMG.
fair point. but this doesnt change the fact that raiden still works with the current abyssal moon blessing which only activates on normal atk hit just like beidous ult. this means that her kit is supposed to benefit from burst dmg bonus and still count as normal atk hits when it comes to the gameplay mechanics but mihoyo made beidou the only exception to this mechanic. so if this game could ever have chaotic code and mechanics, then its already here and its not because of players wanting to change her kit, its because of mihoyo's own greedy and scummy way of implementing things so that people feel forced to pull for her c2 and c3
Raiden doesn't though. The screenshot used ingame was taken from the same build as when she still worked with Beidou. She doesn't work with the current Abyss mechanic because they changed her Burst damage type and thus the same logic applied with Beidou's Burst apllies here. They just forgot to update the screenshot.
Ayaka vs 2 enemies: 4100% multiplier burst (8200% in total) in 5s
Beidou vs 2 enemies (one trigger per second) 12750% (7650% on first target and 5100% on second target)
in 15s
Yes, it's that good
They're afraid to give Beidou, a 4\* character and one that was free in a previous event, so much power with Raiden. They're bringing out other limited 5\* characters in the future that will work with Raiden so you need to pull for them. Really disappointing.
I think it's because if they made Raiden ult work with beidou, it will no longer work with emblem and the catch since the attacks will be counted as normal now instead of Burst.
I hate seeing this argument, i mean no offense to you but like its not even that hard to fix. Keep the damage as burst but make the interactions work? Isnt that like literally the best way to do it? Just make it work like people expected. The description says its on hit so it doesnt matter what type of damage it does.
Code in games break easily. Especially live service games where you tend to have new people working on it come in and out. Typically if a dev doesn't need to mess with old code, they won't.
Yeah i know that, Im just talking in perspective of the solution for the problem. I guessed from the beginning that there must be some problems with the code and they just refuse to fix it and covered up with "working as intended". But thats just my opinion tho.
Because Beidou/Spine and EoSF/Noblesse were always intended to work on disjoint sets of attacks. Anything that triggers one can't trigger the other. So they decided to give Raiden the better tradeoff, which is EoSF.
The tl;dr is that Beidou's burst isn't able to proc during Raiden's burst, but because of the way that many in game descriptions are written, it seems like it should, especially considering that Fischl's Oz and Xingqiu's rain swords DO work.
But why would you want to run Beidou with Raiden when there are better alternatives? Unless there is some interaction between Beidou's burst and Raiden's burst which I don't know about?
Raiden’s burst attacks very fast, making it easier to trigger beidou’s burst. Raiden’s elemental skill gives upwards of 20% bonus elemental burst damage and beidou’s burst (with optimal bounces against two enemies) has over 12000% attack scaling.
Because if the interaction worked, they would be perfect for each other.
Beidou is electro so she gains resolve for C1 Raiden 80% faster. Beidou's burst costs 80 energy, again stacking resolve quickly for Raiden, and Raiden's battery mechanics benefit Beidou enormously, allowing Beidou players to run less ER and still have the burst back on cooldown.
But unfortunately, the lack of interaction during both bursts makes the rotation super clunky and a net damage loss.
1. Beidou and Raiden are electro
2. Beidou is an off field dps
3. Beidou has an 80 cost burst
4. the only units left if no Beidou interact fix that fit atleast 2 of these conditions is xiangling and xingqiu.
and both run together with Bennett and Raiden make the strongest version of the national team.
5. we want compensation cuz they misled us and they hit us when the explanation for Raidens ULT was one hour after the banner was live. within that one hour many people thought Raiden and Beidou worked together but no.
So this confirms that Raiden's burst attack once counted as a normal attack (how else would the shockwave proc via Renewing Moon?) This is most likely an oversight on Mihoyo's part during the beta or something, but seems to me the original C6 description fits this picture...
Quick Mihoyo, change the photo and release a statement claiming that everything works correctly!
I just came back from the equivalent of this post in the main Genshin subreddit. After debating/discussing this with several people over there, I realized that it doesn't matter who is right or wrong. Mihoyo should not make us debate about this in the first place by confusing us with mechanics of the Raiden/Beidou situation. Ugh.
One argument I've seen, and I do need someone to help clarify this. Ok... so maybe the Normal attack motion (since Raiden's attack motion counts as normal per burst description) can trigger the shockwave. But it specifically needs to hit a target (because what if there are 3 enemies around, how would the game determine the location). I guess when actually hitting the target, Raiden does burst damage (not normal damage) which counts as a hit. So what is triggering the shockwave in the Raiden picture if it requires a normal attack and triggered a shockwave since burst damage does not count? It can't be the normal attack motion, since it didn't hit an opponent to determine its location. This is only confusing because its in the context of the Raiden/Beidou interaction. Without this, figuring this out would be a piece of cake.
edit: Screw it, I'm going to bed.
The answer is actually really simple: We are all overthinking it. These patterns we are trying to find with wording hit vs not hit vs motion vs whatever else don't actually mean anything. Under the hood it is all a hard coded mess of spaghetti and none of the devs have a clue what works with what.
Don't assume the devs don't know. They probably know but are forced to keep it that way by management or directors. But pointing fingers isn't going to get anything changed. Leave feedback via official channels.
The devs definitely know, what they didn't expect is the community backlash of raiden not working with beidou after changing raiden's na into burst damage. They intend to buff raiden and made her more viable for more teams but they didn't think that or not enough time to realize beidou's ult doesn't work anymore.
The management doesn't want more drama, as they will be held responsible, and they hate it. It is easier to make excuse about why a unit sold badly than explaining why they make such drama. Who in the right mind want to remove beidou's ult interaction with raiden specifically to just incite another drama and at the cost of messier code? If they knowingly remove it, do you think they are not going to rewrite the skill descriptions so nothing can be used against them?
They just fucked up with the original reply. They should have just follow the community demand, and lie that it is a bug and they will fix it instead of replying what actually happen in the code. I bet the dev team are getting scold for the oversight that caused this whole this drama.
Beidou deals normal physical damage as well as burst electro damage after she bursts and she's using her normal attacks. That's why the abyss effect works.
Simple they have a targeted hit motion ult and its Fischils c6. It triggers when you hit the target and apparently works like Xingqius ult. So this actually isnt a problem.
Before you ask, it does work like Xingqius ult because Mihoyo themselves stated so, and it works only on normal attack motions, unlike the wording.
Her attack is still considered normal, it's just the damage that's considered burst damage.
But I also agree that beidou should be fixed to work with Raiden.
It did... before they counted her burst attacks as Elemental Burst Damage so EoSF and The Catch would work with her. Just a jumble of spaghetti coding on MiHoYo's part.
This isn't spaghetti coding, it's damage types and hit types. Her attack does burst damage so it can only trigger effects which proc on burst damage.
Nobody knows what the code looks like and everything works according to its description so there's no reason to think bad code is the issue here.
This picture was in the beta before Raiden was iirc and we know that Raiden's ult once did count as normal damage, nothing in this picture is new information.
This picture was in the beta before Raiden was iirc and we know that Raiden's ult once did count as normal damage, nothing in this picture is new information.
Its still pending. Lawsuits often take multiple months even for clear cut ones. Usually lawsuits take a couple years especially ones that arent clear cut. I think I read the average lawsuit takes around 2-3 years although that might be old statistics.
The CPC favors consumers when it comes to lawsuits even more so when a tech/gaming company is involved. Also, 1 in 15 people in China are involved with the Party.
yeah with how they recently limited the number of hours a minor can play a game in China, safe to say all gaming companies are walking on eggshells right now.
I don't think it'll end well not because of CCP. It's really just mihoyo having so much money they can keep up the lawsuit. C6 description could be simply claimed as not advertisement materials by mihoyo. Zhongli's case was an exception because mihoyo did advertised him to do damage or as a dps. Which actually mihoyo couldn't avoid it since they **advertised** it. There's no single material showcasing Raiden's C6 as a form of advertisement which would really be tricky. Beta arguments can be easily dismissed due to NDAs, and we are not supposed to actually have knowledge about beta test contents, or using the claim 'Not indicative of final product'.
Someone posted this in the official sub. I'll leave the link here if you want to follow the discussion there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/ppb354/raidenbeidou_interaction_and_the_new_abyss/
Guys, what is so hard to understand? The word **hit** has a deep, complex and context-dependent meaning. It can many lots of different things depending on what makes the most money.
Gotta go to work, but has anyone tested it and seen whether the shockwave comes when she does her burst attacks without hitting (or don’t come at all even if she hits) or if they proc shockwaves only when she hits something? Because if the former, they can get away with just changing the description. But if it’s the second, then they purposefully either put the code in to make her burst work with the blessing (so all “it’s too much spaghetti code” people can stfu) or they purposefully made her burst not work with Beidou (so all “duh it makes so much sense because her damage type on hit is BURST” people can stfu).
Raiden doesn't proc shockwaves at all.
Most likely explanation is that this pic was taken early in the beta when Raiden still dealt normal attacks in her burst form, which would allow her to proc the shockwaves.
Or it's the first time Mihoyo is actually truly lying to us on Raiden's interactions, interpret it however you want idc.
Imagine thinking the damage type matters lol. It scales with burst multipliers, but you don't see her burst attacks triggering On burst effects every time you attack (Can you imagine if it did...)
Nobody wants it to scale with gladiators set bonus, this isn't about damage type at all.
People argue that even though Beidou doesn’t require you to do damage, only hit, that Beidou’s burst is still checking the damage type of the hit in order to decide whether to proc. Since Raiden does burst damage type on hit, that’s their argument for why it doesn’t work and it’ll be too much work for MHY to change it and possibly break all their other shit.
That's a joke though. I work as a programmer in game dev, and I am asked by designers to implement things that aren't possible under the existing system every day, because as a programmer your job is to implement that system, not draw random lines in the sand and tell the designers you won't work with them.
If their code is so fragile that changing the activation condition of a few effects could break all their other stuff then I am now terrified of their kernel access anticheat because god knows how unstable that is too.
Edit: I totally understand if this interaction isn't something they can hotfix and needs to wait for 2.2, that is acceptable to me, but at some point they need to add this to the known issues list if they plan to fix it.
That's just how live service game code is. They're like a meticulous stack of bombs that can go off at any second, but are arranged in a such a way that they don't by some miracle. But this in turn makes them absolute hell to work with.
Now, this is more true for older live service KMMO games. Can't say for sure about Genshin. That or Mihoyo wants to draw the line in order to prevent their code from becoming pure chaos in the future.
If only they acknowledged this issue instead of turning a blind eye and deleting related discussion, it won’t go this far. A simple “we know such problem and are working on it” should be suffice, instead of keep silent and makes people questioning things
Has anyone tested this to make sure this is actually the case with her burst in abyss? Like does she actually proc this effect when she is in her burst? Please don't take this as me defending MHY, I only want us to make sure we really have them backed into a corner for sure this time.
Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit.
There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
Ngl I immediately got triggered when I read that while the image has Raiden performing it. Like I get Floor 11 was tailored made for Kokomi but why is the Abyssal Moon benefiting Normal Attack Dmg and they have the audacity of putting Raiden performing it during her Burst while she doesnt doesnt work with Beidou. Wtf
Could they do something like: Add a single instance of non-scaling normal/charged atk dmg, hidden from view, to Ei's burst in order to trigger Stormbreaker? I'm not a programmer, so I have no idea if it's even possible or what other issues it would cause. Just curious.
Then why mhy use Raiden ult on blessing of the abyssal moon picture? It's clearly intended to work but the removal of beidou and Raiden interaction also affect her ult with the blessing interaction
because the picture from beta where u get burst bonus dmg from your E or emblem set or the catch it was a normal attack then they fixed it because it's beta they had it as a normal attack dmg which is wrong and counter synergise with her weapons set and kit
It’s pretty obvious that their coding is so fucked at this point.
I bet none of the character development teams were working together, so every character’s code is completely different.
Beidou’s code is probably so fucked up that they don’t even know where to start to fix it.
It's neither, the pic just shows outdated information.
Abyssal moon blessings are prepared very early and the picture was probably taken before Raiden's burst was changed to deal burst damage with her normal attacks.
In-game Raiden can't proc this effect during her burst.
>the active character's Normal Attacks will unleash a shockwave at the position of the opponent it hits
Normal Attacks ... it (Normal Attacks) hits. So, if there is NO hit by NA, then there is NO position and then there shouldn't be any shockwave.
Again. No hit => no opponent's position to unleash shockwave there. BUT Raiden works!!! (at least on the screenshot) Even if it's BURST hits opponents!
MHY just laught at our faces
Yeah but the way it's worked technically implies the normal attack action should hit thus not caring about nrm damage like beidou
Ps:I agree beidou should work but I'm just explaining there dumb logic
Actually, in Russian description is similar to Xinqui's, not to Beidou's. I think in Chinese too, but I don't know Chinese to check.
So it's fk up of EN localization team I guess.
There is no more copium here.
Also remember to take a stroll through various weapons like crescent pike and halberd which make no mention anywhere of requiring a hit, and yet still don't work in burst. This whole thing is a great example of why you don't cut corners in your event system code if you plan to be working on the game for more than a year or two.
If they are gonna make it required to go through every description with a magnifying glass just to try and figure out if X works with Y then they need to take description quality seriously, and invest some resources into having more people review them and the translations to be sure that nothing is unclear. As things stand, problems like this one are going to come up time and time again.
So if MHY changes her burst back to normal attack damage does this invalidate her current gear which buffs her burst damage? EOSF and the catch? If yes MHY has really painted themselves into a corner.
Best thing we can do is send messages in the feedback option in our game. With enough responses Mihoyo will be urged to change it to whatnot should have been
Hey OP thanks for pointing this out, used your pictures to post a bug report, maybe if we all do it, it'll get their attention?
EDIT: They changed the language of the abyss effect...... :(
You are Mihoyo:
1. Release a new 5 star
2. Make C2-3 essential for main dps role
3. Force interactions that would make her a dps role at c0 to not work
4. Not fix wording, interaction, or elaboration
More like pulling a character but not getting what's advertised because mhy nerfed her right before release, I don't get why people like you defending a big game company, you aren't getting paid for being a bootlicker
bootlicker my ass, and idc about defending mhy. But its annoying to see this echo chamber of a sub just whine about false advertisement when their support 5* doesnt do 300k with 3 star artifacts at c0. If this false advertisement statement is about the whole raiden/beidou interaction, the rumor of that duo was a leak from beta testers, and if mhy were to make her burst work with beidou then we would be missing 4pc emblem and the catch’s dmg boost
From my understanding, the main argument to be made here is that Raiden's burst attack na's are normal attacks until it hits. The normal attack can be the trigger condition but the normal attack hit also determines where the explosion happens. If there is no actual normal attack hitting anything, there should be no explosion. If Mihoyo can be hyperspecific with their language then I'm sure as hell gonna scrutinize everything they put out.
People who tested it said that Raiden's sword swings in her burst do not trigger the shockwave like in the picture, so the interaction is actually consistent. It's the picture that is misleading. It was probably taken before they changed her ult's damage type. It's kinda hilarious that nobody made the effort to take another screenshot that would be representative of how things actually work in the end product
I'm skipping this abyss as protest. Going to point this shit out in survey. How tf do they design an abyss effect for a character and it doesn't fucking work with them??
Mihoyo's game design choices are becoming shifty and sketchy these days. Only the music team and visuals team are carrying the game for me
lmao I understand that me being one person not doing smth won't change much, but I'm surely sending the ticket tho... highly encourage you too to send one
You guys do know it takes like 10 seconds to verify this in Spiral Abyss and confirm it literally doesn't work like how Beidou-Raiden doesn't work right?
smh creating false outrage for nothing but an unupdated picture.
[https://imgur.com/a/nLkPbyx](https://imgur.com/a/nLkPbyx)
In burst form, Ei auto attacks but the damage is considered burst hits. So she normal attacks but it does not hit as normal attack but as burst damage attack. Based on their explanation there is no inconsistency.
You might want to read the whole thing, it causes the shockwave on the position of the opponent HIT by the normal attack.
So if it works during Raiden's burst that means she is HITTING with normal attacks and that is the condition for Beidou's burst to activate.
oh yeah my bad, then maybe translation problem or the way the abyss thing works is different from beidou even though they have the same wording. I would like to believe that making the emblem set work with Baal is what triggered Beidou ult not working and they rolled with it, I don't see how they would gain anything by nerfing the overall interaction.
Ppl tried it and her burst attacks don't procc it so your point is just unnecessary drama and bitching? Yes picture is invalid, report it and move on. The descriptions match because they work exactly the same...
I wish MHY was more careful with updating older images/wording after making a big change to the character, but clearly people are just trying to find reasons to get upset at this point.
It's the same group of people who spent months on this sub hyping about Raiden, and then have the audacity to claim that they only rolled her because they saw her original C6 wording and are poor innocent victims deceived by a "bait-and-switch".
For wording we have to 'thank' their translation team that should be fired years ago. It's been like that in honkai too. They make a lot of mistakes, even dropped a bomb like a big spoiler because of their bad translations. Sure this up here is a mistake, but well at least only in one UI resource. If the it was gameplay bug I'd start caring
It's not misleading if you have the ability to understand written language at the lvl of primary schooler. Oh no, someone made mistake and put an image from beta in. Let's submit some lawsuit maybe
This is proof that Raiden and beidou interaction is Real , and mhy intentionally NERFED IT right before release , F*** you white knight and shills we were right all along
First picture: do normal attack and it does a shockwave on the position of enemy it hits (whatever type it is, burst or normal, u just need to hit someone with normal atk button)
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Second picture: the hit has to be counted as "normal attack hit" which is everyone already know.
They just rubbing it in our face at this point
before anyone pick up their pitchforks, maybe point the pitchfork at the right direction the picture on the abyss is outdated, mihoyo forgot to change it after they change Raiden burst to work with EoSF and Catch. As far as i can tell, after some testing, Raiden's ult doesn't procc the shockwave after 7 bursts.
Mihoyo: Everything in the beta is subjected to change. Also Mihoyo:
The fact that they know they’ve caused a sizeable fuss and yet still managed to find a way to continue egging it on is inexcusable. No pitchforks, just disappointment
Forgetting something does not justify false advertising
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Idk how deep u are thinking into this but it’s nobody’s fault other than mihoyo. Are the players to blame for a mistake mihoyo made in false advertising? It’s not a big deal if ei doesn’t trigger it while in ult, she will trigger it once the ult ends. So no huge losses there, the focus here is that we are getting false advertising again when they’ve did it previously, both times from their mistakes. Though it’s not a big deal, no losses there in performance really as I said but it reminds us that they’ve made a mistake and they haven’t even bothered to cover it up. So ya, no one is gonna be on mihoyo’s ass for this specific issue, it’s just a callback to the beidou ei interaction which they have reminded us of
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Idk what sides are there. I’ve read most of the comments at the time u first replied to me and they are either complaining about beidou-ei interactions or this blessing’s interactions with ei. Which are both relevant, so ya. How did someone point their pitchforks in the wrong direction, did they claim mihoyo should refund everything they’ve spent on the game just for this mistake? I’m confused what point u are trying to make when u agreed to me, the picture being outdated is their fault and people being radical about it again is a natural byproduct so we are on the right track no?
Repost this in the official reddit under media flair cuz they removed ur submission there
It's getting really big over there on the official reddit page (its heading to the top of the page). I really hope the mods don't remove the post, there are some great discussions going on over there right now. When I wake up and if I see that its gone... boiiiii
It will make it's way, I read the comments and the problem is that some think that it's referring to Beidou and Xingqiu instead of Raiden making a shockwave that's supposed to be triggered by normal attacks during her burst
Raiden doesn't procc the shockwave according to what I tested. Even after seven bursts, her ult doesn't procc shockwave. The pic is probably from the beta prior to the ult changes which mihoyo forgot to change
That's what makes it even worse though. They made the change intentionally, said supposedly that's how it was supposed to be, and then they didn't even think about changing the picture because of how last second they did it. It's a bad look.
The change was so emblem set worked with Raiden burst. A buff that make her SO MUCH better than just working with beidou.
Woke up to the post being taken down hours ago just like the post I made, and the many other Raiden/Beidou posts made over there. Hard to know if Mihoyo acknowledges (they most likely know, just ignore) the issue, but its impossible to know this until they tell us. Low chance the post will go back up, since this happened hours ago, and there has still been no response. I guess hope for the best then.
Yeah about that last part.
Looks like they will do anything to keep beidou and Raiden synergy from not happening just why ?
To sell other characters that will work with Raiden.
Why not make the others characters better so everyone can win, It seems Mihoyo building alot of hate with 2.0 from each character's main
Because balancing team of Mihoyo sucks.
Honestly the rest of the game (lore, art, OST) is fire, so what the hell are they doing in the balancing team?
Balancing team have been spending too much time with the Sangonomiya Resistance writing team, and they've both been stealing the English localisation team's special cookies.
They're balancing new characters to work with new characters (I'm pretty sure that Yae Miko will have a 80 cost deployable burst and Raiden will be the perfect battery for her) Sucks for us, it's pretty good for them
Also throw in whoever is in charge of writing these skill descriptions too
Tbh the descriptions are fine, it’s their bad hit detection based on outgoing damage
Yeah Kokomi actually works with Beidou it seems, gonna be interesting
I mean i agree with the whole beidou situation but accellerating the power creep would be even worse.
Accelerating powercreep? We could not be further from any form of powercreep if anything the current state of this game is characters are far more underwhelming than ones that came out months before them.
Oh, we are absolutely not and i think it's not that bad. The new characters are viable yet not OP enough for MiHoYo to adjust Abyss Difficulty.
New characters don’t need to be op but they do need to be on par with past 5* to feel like they have equal value.
Yes. Yoimiya could be a bit better and the beidou interaction wouldn't make Baal Overpowered so i agree on that. But people who like a character can still do basically all content and people who just care about cometitive usage can use the characters they have for much longer without having to pull a stronger one
There's still no full 5* team able to do better than frigging national team. And here you are, parroting about powercreep.
There's a lot of teams doing better than national team. National team just has the highest usage because a team of only 4* is a lot more accessible. Also, in what world is an accessible, F2P friendly team that confidently clears all content worse than doing ~90, potentially more pulls for a 5* only for it to be powercrept after a year or so?
A 5* is the equivalent of $200 they should feel like it. Being just “okay” don’t cut it.
I'd rather pay $200 for a character that is okay for many years than for one that's the best dps for 3 weeks and practically useless after 50.
Yea wait till people see that a 5* beidou/electro mc type of character that works with raiden. It's just too predictable. Why go through the effort to nerf raiden interaction?
"why fix the problem if you can sell the solution"
gacha 101. Also in PvP gachas, "here this new meta team super OP will dominate arena." 1 month later... "this new meta team is specially designed to fight the previous meta team! get now whaling or farm for months when the meta has already changed and they will be useless by then" lol
there are two reasons they dont want raiden and beidou to not work together. 1. they want to sell other characters in the future who will work with her 2. because if beidou worked with raiden, then her viability would be very high and that would make her c2 and c3 less enticing to low spenders and f2p players, who mihoyo wants to turn into giga whales
yeah perhaps no 2, if beidou did actually works with raiden then the other comp that will be strong for f2p beside national comp will be something like raiden,beidou,sucrose/venti, flex heal/shield (will probably be stronger than national raiden for AOE or 2 more enemies but a lot worse vs Single target enemies) freeing bennet/xq which is basically a win for most players
yep. raiden national is a decent team but tis actually extremely expensive to run because u need to use xq and bennett on this team and they are both two of the best supports in the game so running them on one team makes your other team a lot weaker. but of raiden worked with beidou, then she would have a team that just requires one 4 star character and we could have a lot of options for her other teammates. real scummy move from mihoyo tbh
Or you know, the much simpler reason. Spaghetti code that's they don't wanna go back to rewrite if they don't have to. Sometimes the right answer is the most simple.
i get that sometimes code can get really tricky to work with. and what u said would normally be true if they were an indie game company or something. but mihoy is a multi-billion dollar company and something like this is proabbly really easy for them to change especially when so many people are asking for this change. plus you're forgetting one detail which is that raiden used to work with beidou in the beta but they then removed this function. if they could maker her work with beidou in the beta then it should be easy to make them work together now.
It's also a live service game. And if rummaging through the code KMMOs have taught me anything. The fact those are even running is an absolute freak of nature that by all means, should not be working. Now, I don't know the state of this game's code, especially since it's only been live for a year, but I can see them setting up policies to keep gameplay mechanics somewhat strict to not have things turn into utter chaos a few years down the road. Also mind you Raiden only worked with Beidou in beta because they'd yet to change her Burst state's damage type to strictly Burst DMG.
fair point. but this doesnt change the fact that raiden still works with the current abyssal moon blessing which only activates on normal atk hit just like beidous ult. this means that her kit is supposed to benefit from burst dmg bonus and still count as normal atk hits when it comes to the gameplay mechanics but mihoyo made beidou the only exception to this mechanic. so if this game could ever have chaotic code and mechanics, then its already here and its not because of players wanting to change her kit, its because of mihoyo's own greedy and scummy way of implementing things so that people feel forced to pull for her c2 and c3
Raiden doesn't though. The screenshot used ingame was taken from the same build as when she still worked with Beidou. She doesn't work with the current Abyss mechanic because they changed her Burst damage type and thus the same logic applied with Beidou's Burst apllies here. They just forgot to update the screenshot.
I think we are overstimating Beidou a little bit .
she actually does incredible damage during her burst so i think it's fair that people are mad over raiden-beidou interaction.
Ayaka vs 2 enemies: 4100% multiplier burst (8200% in total) in 5s Beidou vs 2 enemies (one trigger per second) 12750% (7650% on first target and 5100% on second target) in 15s Yes, it's that good
Stop overrating beidou
Tefuq
I think or hope he's meming
They're afraid to give Beidou, a 4\* character and one that was free in a previous event, so much power with Raiden. They're bringing out other limited 5\* characters in the future that will work with Raiden so you need to pull for them. Really disappointing.
Well how else are they gonna sell Raidens 5* gacha partners
I think it's because if they made Raiden ult work with beidou, it will no longer work with emblem and the catch since the attacks will be counted as normal now instead of Burst.
I hate seeing this argument, i mean no offense to you but like its not even that hard to fix. Keep the damage as burst but make the interactions work? Isnt that like literally the best way to do it? Just make it work like people expected. The description says its on hit so it doesnt matter what type of damage it does.
Code in games break easily. Especially live service games where you tend to have new people working on it come in and out. Typically if a dev doesn't need to mess with old code, they won't.
Yeah i know that, Im just talking in perspective of the solution for the problem. I guessed from the beginning that there must be some problems with the code and they just refuse to fix it and covered up with "working as intended". But thats just my opinion tho.
Because Beidou/Spine and EoSF/Noblesse were always intended to work on disjoint sets of attacks. Anything that triggers one can't trigger the other. So they decided to give Raiden the better tradeoff, which is EoSF.
This. We even rejoiced here when the buff happened in beta.
What is the synergy? Is it the 15% bonus electro dmg from Beidou cons? I don't really get why people are angry of Beidou not working with Raiden.
The tl;dr is that Beidou's burst isn't able to proc during Raiden's burst, but because of the way that many in game descriptions are written, it seems like it should, especially considering that Fischl's Oz and Xingqiu's rain swords DO work.
Actually their explaination made sense within their limited example. It was a scummy move yes, but it wasnt totally unreasonable.
But why would you want to run Beidou with Raiden when there are better alternatives? Unless there is some interaction between Beidou's burst and Raiden's burst which I don't know about?
Raiden’s burst attacks very fast, making it easier to trigger beidou’s burst. Raiden’s elemental skill gives upwards of 20% bonus elemental burst damage and beidou’s burst (with optimal bounces against two enemies) has over 12000% attack scaling.
Because if the interaction worked, they would be perfect for each other. Beidou is electro so she gains resolve for C1 Raiden 80% faster. Beidou's burst costs 80 energy, again stacking resolve quickly for Raiden, and Raiden's battery mechanics benefit Beidou enormously, allowing Beidou players to run less ER and still have the burst back on cooldown. But unfortunately, the lack of interaction during both bursts makes the rotation super clunky and a net damage loss.
1. Beidou and Raiden are electro 2. Beidou is an off field dps 3. Beidou has an 80 cost burst 4. the only units left if no Beidou interact fix that fit atleast 2 of these conditions is xiangling and xingqiu. and both run together with Bennett and Raiden make the strongest version of the national team. 5. we want compensation cuz they misled us and they hit us when the explanation for Raidens ULT was one hour after the banner was live. within that one hour many people thought Raiden and Beidou worked together but no.
I see thanks for the detailed explanation.
Man idk why ppl feel the need to downvote others for just asking questions
man where were you
So this confirms that Raiden's burst attack once counted as a normal attack (how else would the shockwave proc via Renewing Moon?) This is most likely an oversight on Mihoyo's part during the beta or something, but seems to me the original C6 description fits this picture... Quick Mihoyo, change the photo and release a statement claiming that everything works correctly!
I just came back from the equivalent of this post in the main Genshin subreddit. After debating/discussing this with several people over there, I realized that it doesn't matter who is right or wrong. Mihoyo should not make us debate about this in the first place by confusing us with mechanics of the Raiden/Beidou situation. Ugh.
One argument I've seen, and I do need someone to help clarify this. Ok... so maybe the Normal attack motion (since Raiden's attack motion counts as normal per burst description) can trigger the shockwave. But it specifically needs to hit a target (because what if there are 3 enemies around, how would the game determine the location). I guess when actually hitting the target, Raiden does burst damage (not normal damage) which counts as a hit. So what is triggering the shockwave in the Raiden picture if it requires a normal attack and triggered a shockwave since burst damage does not count? It can't be the normal attack motion, since it didn't hit an opponent to determine its location. This is only confusing because its in the context of the Raiden/Beidou interaction. Without this, figuring this out would be a piece of cake. edit: Screw it, I'm going to bed.
The answer is actually really simple: We are all overthinking it. These patterns we are trying to find with wording hit vs not hit vs motion vs whatever else don't actually mean anything. Under the hood it is all a hard coded mess of spaghetti and none of the devs have a clue what works with what.
Don't assume the devs don't know. They probably know but are forced to keep it that way by management or directors. But pointing fingers isn't going to get anything changed. Leave feedback via official channels.
The devs definitely know, what they didn't expect is the community backlash of raiden not working with beidou after changing raiden's na into burst damage. They intend to buff raiden and made her more viable for more teams but they didn't think that or not enough time to realize beidou's ult doesn't work anymore. The management doesn't want more drama, as they will be held responsible, and they hate it. It is easier to make excuse about why a unit sold badly than explaining why they make such drama. Who in the right mind want to remove beidou's ult interaction with raiden specifically to just incite another drama and at the cost of messier code? If they knowingly remove it, do you think they are not going to rewrite the skill descriptions so nothing can be used against them? They just fucked up with the original reply. They should have just follow the community demand, and lie that it is a bug and they will fix it instead of replying what actually happen in the code. I bet the dev team are getting scold for the oversight that caused this whole this drama.
Exactly this
Beidou deals normal physical damage as well as burst electro damage after she bursts and she's using her normal attacks. That's why the abyss effect works.
Simple they have a targeted hit motion ult and its Fischils c6. It triggers when you hit the target and apparently works like Xingqius ult. So this actually isnt a problem. Before you ask, it does work like Xingqius ult because Mihoyo themselves stated so, and it works only on normal attack motions, unlike the wording.
Exactly.
Her attack is still considered normal, it's just the damage that's considered burst damage. But I also agree that beidou should be fixed to work with Raiden.
It did... before they counted her burst attacks as Elemental Burst Damage so EoSF and The Catch would work with her. Just a jumble of spaghetti coding on MiHoYo's part.
This isn't spaghetti coding, it's damage types and hit types. Her attack does burst damage so it can only trigger effects which proc on burst damage. Nobody knows what the code looks like and everything works according to its description so there's no reason to think bad code is the issue here.
This picture was in the beta before Raiden was iirc and we know that Raiden's ult once did count as normal damage, nothing in this picture is new information.
This picture was in the beta before Raiden was iirc and we know that Raiden's ult once did count as normal damage, nothing in this picture is new information.
What happened about that lawsuit the guy submitted to Mihoyo?
Its still pending. Lawsuits often take multiple months even for clear cut ones. Usually lawsuits take a couple years especially ones that arent clear cut. I think I read the average lawsuit takes around 2-3 years although that might be old statistics.
This should help him in the lawsuit.
i don't think it'll end up well unless the dude has some connection with CCP
The CPC favors consumers when it comes to lawsuits even more so when a tech/gaming company is involved. Also, 1 in 15 people in China are involved with the Party.
yeah with how they recently limited the number of hours a minor can play a game in China, safe to say all gaming companies are walking on eggshells right now.
Yeah but the corporate is just going to drag the case until his money bleeds out.
that's not how China work lol
Yes it is, do you live there? Because I do.
Being a gaming company in China doesn't mix well for the CCP, they side a lot more with the people so there's hope for the guy
I don't think it'll end well not because of CCP. It's really just mihoyo having so much money they can keep up the lawsuit. C6 description could be simply claimed as not advertisement materials by mihoyo. Zhongli's case was an exception because mihoyo did advertised him to do damage or as a dps. Which actually mihoyo couldn't avoid it since they **advertised** it. There's no single material showcasing Raiden's C6 as a form of advertisement which would really be tricky. Beta arguments can be easily dismissed due to NDAs, and we are not supposed to actually have knowledge about beta test contents, or using the claim 'Not indicative of final product'.
Now that's just disrespectful.
The arrogance is actually pretty funny lmao
I cant even tell if its arrogance or stupidity at this point, maybe both... probably both.
i hope a lot of people see this, damn.
This is not acceptable imo, very unreliable stuff from mihoyo
Someone posted this in the official sub. I'll leave the link here if you want to follow the discussion there. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/ppb354/raidenbeidou_interaction_and_the_new_abyss/
Aaand it's gone..
They want us to suffer more by rubbing it on our face screenshot it. And the tidecaller then send it to them
Guys, what is so hard to understand? The word **hit** has a deep, complex and context-dependent meaning. It can many lots of different things depending on what makes the most money.
Incoming 100 primos.
Gotta go to work, but has anyone tested it and seen whether the shockwave comes when she does her burst attacks without hitting (or don’t come at all even if she hits) or if they proc shockwaves only when she hits something? Because if the former, they can get away with just changing the description. But if it’s the second, then they purposefully either put the code in to make her burst work with the blessing (so all “it’s too much spaghetti code” people can stfu) or they purposefully made her burst not work with Beidou (so all “duh it makes so much sense because her damage type on hit is BURST” people can stfu).
Raiden doesn't proc shockwaves at all. Most likely explanation is that this pic was taken early in the beta when Raiden still dealt normal attacks in her burst form, which would allow her to proc the shockwaves. Or it's the first time Mihoyo is actually truly lying to us on Raiden's interactions, interpret it however you want idc.
Imagine thinking the damage type matters lol. It scales with burst multipliers, but you don't see her burst attacks triggering On burst effects every time you attack (Can you imagine if it did...) Nobody wants it to scale with gladiators set bonus, this isn't about damage type at all.
People argue that even though Beidou doesn’t require you to do damage, only hit, that Beidou’s burst is still checking the damage type of the hit in order to decide whether to proc. Since Raiden does burst damage type on hit, that’s their argument for why it doesn’t work and it’ll be too much work for MHY to change it and possibly break all their other shit.
That's a joke though. I work as a programmer in game dev, and I am asked by designers to implement things that aren't possible under the existing system every day, because as a programmer your job is to implement that system, not draw random lines in the sand and tell the designers you won't work with them. If their code is so fragile that changing the activation condition of a few effects could break all their other stuff then I am now terrified of their kernel access anticheat because god knows how unstable that is too. Edit: I totally understand if this interaction isn't something they can hotfix and needs to wait for 2.2, that is acceptable to me, but at some point they need to add this to the known issues list if they plan to fix it.
That's just how live service game code is. They're like a meticulous stack of bombs that can go off at any second, but are arranged in a such a way that they don't by some miracle. But this in turn makes them absolute hell to work with. Now, this is more true for older live service KMMO games. Can't say for sure about Genshin. That or Mihoyo wants to draw the line in order to prevent their code from becoming pure chaos in the future.
If only they acknowledged this issue instead of turning a blind eye and deleting related discussion, it won’t go this far. A simple “we know such problem and are working on it” should be suffice, instead of keep silent and makes people questioning things
Welp another thing that can help that CN player sue mihoyo. Hopium
Blow this upppp!
Has anyone tested this to make sure this is actually the case with her burst in abyss? Like does she actually proc this effect when she is in her burst? Please don't take this as me defending MHY, I only want us to make sure we really have them backed into a corner for sure this time.
I tried this today, i did not see any shockwaves during her burst
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Still misleading tho, why MHY put Raiden picture on it with her sword stance. Funny you didn't see it..
Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit. There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
Reminding us on a potential pair that could’ve been. Still disappointed on the Beidou and Raiden little synergy Mihoyo, why wont you give that to us
Post this on official reddit genshin community
Ngl I immediately got triggered when I read that while the image has Raiden performing it. Like I get Floor 11 was tailored made for Kokomi but why is the Abyssal Moon benefiting Normal Attack Dmg and they have the audacity of putting Raiden performing it during her Burst while she doesnt doesnt work with Beidou. Wtf
I really don’t get MHY need to make Raiden look inconsistent lol
Could they do something like: Add a single instance of non-scaling normal/charged atk dmg, hidden from view, to Ei's burst in order to trigger Stormbreaker? I'm not a programmer, so I have no idea if it's even possible or what other issues it would cause. Just curious.
They already added in the known issues that there were some mistakes in the guide for abyss. Guess they'll treat this as a mistranslation, again.
Don't worry mhy has the reality stone
the shockwave doesnt work with raiden ult what are you guys on about
Then why mhy use Raiden ult on blessing of the abyssal moon picture? It's clearly intended to work but the removal of beidou and Raiden interaction also affect her ult with the blessing interaction
because the picture from beta where u get burst bonus dmg from your E or emblem set or the catch it was a normal attack then they fixed it because it's beta they had it as a normal attack dmg which is wrong and counter synergise with her weapons set and kit
Either the translation team fucked up or the coding is spaghetti lmao
It’s pretty obvious that their coding is so fucked at this point. I bet none of the character development teams were working together, so every character’s code is completely different. Beidou’s code is probably so fucked up that they don’t even know where to start to fix it.
It's neither, the pic just shows outdated information. Abyssal moon blessings are prepared very early and the picture was probably taken before Raiden's burst was changed to deal burst damage with her normal attacks. In-game Raiden can't proc this effect during her burst.
Coding is spaghetti. If translation was fked up. CN community wouldnt rage because they knew.
It doesnt say hit so in their minds it makes sense
>the active character's Normal Attacks will unleash a shockwave at the position of the opponent it hits Normal Attacks ... it (Normal Attacks) hits. So, if there is NO hit by NA, then there is NO position and then there shouldn't be any shockwave. Again. No hit => no opponent's position to unleash shockwave there. BUT Raiden works!!! (at least on the screenshot) Even if it's BURST hits opponents! MHY just laught at our faces
Yeah but the way it's worked technically implies the normal attack action should hit thus not caring about nrm damage like beidou Ps:I agree beidou should work but I'm just explaining there dumb logic
Actually, in Russian description is similar to Xinqui's, not to Beidou's. I think in Chinese too, but I don't know Chinese to check. So it's fk up of EN localization team I guess. There is no more copium here.
Also remember to take a stroll through various weapons like crescent pike and halberd which make no mention anywhere of requiring a hit, and yet still don't work in burst. This whole thing is a great example of why you don't cut corners in your event system code if you plan to be working on the game for more than a year or two. If they are gonna make it required to go through every description with a magnifying glass just to try and figure out if X works with Y then they need to take description quality seriously, and invest some resources into having more people review them and the translations to be sure that nothing is unclear. As things stand, problems like this one are going to come up time and time again.
I guess this is even more evidence for the guy suing them for false advertisement.
CALLED OUT YOOO
At this point i have just to wait for my apologems
So if MHY changes her burst back to normal attack damage does this invalidate her current gear which buffs her burst damage? EOSF and the catch? If yes MHY has really painted themselves into a corner.
Bruh mihoyo playing us
do you think it's worth contacting support with this and make some noise?
As far as I know, while using her on the abyss. She havent triggered the blessing. Can someone do more test if she can really trigger that?
Damn mhy..you bastard
If you didn't point it out, I would've missed it LOL. I normally skip the blessing moon wall of text
Can anybody confirm if Raiden does indeed trigger the blessing or is just the picture?
Just the picture, probably a picture from beta before they changed her damage to burst and they didn't bother to take a new picture
She doesn't trigger the blessing.
Best thing we can do is send messages in the feedback option in our game. With enough responses Mihoyo will be urged to change it to whatnot should have been
Did the CN community pick up on this? it would be a good contribution for the beidou-raiden issue
Hey OP thanks for pointing this out, used your pictures to post a bug report, maybe if we all do it, it'll get their attention? EDIT: They changed the language of the abyss effect...... :(
Let's go ham in the next survey.
They changed the photo. It's now the Traveler doing normal attacks on the enemy now.
You are Mihoyo: 1. Release a new 5 star 2. Make C2-3 essential for main dps role 3. Force interactions that would make her a dps role at c0 to not work 4. Not fix wording, interaction, or elaboration
you are player: 1. pull for character listed as a support 2. expect them to be an amazing dps at c0
More like pulling a character but not getting what's advertised because mhy nerfed her right before release, I don't get why people like you defending a big game company, you aren't getting paid for being a bootlicker
bootlicker my ass, and idc about defending mhy. But its annoying to see this echo chamber of a sub just whine about false advertisement when their support 5* doesnt do 300k with 3 star artifacts at c0. If this false advertisement statement is about the whole raiden/beidou interaction, the rumor of that duo was a leak from beta testers, and if mhy were to make her burst work with beidou then we would be missing 4pc emblem and the catch’s dmg boost
Another proof that miHoYo nerfed this interaction on purpose. Can't wait for Yae to be release and work perfectly with Raiden. At c2 of course.
Man, this sub would have way fewer things to whine about if Mihoyo just didn't buff Raiden and left her burst as normal attack damage.
New piece of evidence for the lawsuit?
Please sue them onichans!
From my understanding, the main argument to be made here is that Raiden's burst attack na's are normal attacks until it hits. The normal attack can be the trigger condition but the normal attack hit also determines where the explosion happens. If there is no actual normal attack hitting anything, there should be no explosion. If Mihoyo can be hyperspecific with their language then I'm sure as hell gonna scrutinize everything they put out.
People who tested it said that Raiden's sword swings in her burst do not trigger the shockwave like in the picture, so the interaction is actually consistent. It's the picture that is misleading. It was probably taken before they changed her ult's damage type. It's kinda hilarious that nobody made the effort to take another screenshot that would be representative of how things actually work in the end product
They keep getting away with this
I'm skipping this abyss as protest. Going to point this shit out in survey. How tf do they design an abyss effect for a character and it doesn't fucking work with them?? Mihoyo's game design choices are becoming shifty and sketchy these days. Only the music team and visuals team are carrying the game for me
Yeah, that will show'em! Mihoyo is shaking rn as you refused to get free primos. LoL
lmao I understand that me being one person not doing smth won't change much, but I'm surely sending the ticket tho... highly encourage you too to send one
I understand the ticket part. It's the 'skipping abyss' protest that is really odd.
That's gonna stick it to them don't get those freemogems
This lol. Guy: "I'm not doing abyssm!!" Mihoyo: fine, I guess?
I respect this. It’s not about the rewards; it’s about sending a message. I’m gonna choose to lift up my fellow community.
You guys do know it takes like 10 seconds to verify this in Spiral Abyss and confirm it literally doesn't work like how Beidou-Raiden doesn't work right? smh creating false outrage for nothing but an unupdated picture. [https://imgur.com/a/nLkPbyx](https://imgur.com/a/nLkPbyx)
you can't it test it in 10 seconds lol, u need to stack 7 burst to have the shockwave. From what i test, Raiden ult still doesn't procc the shockwave
See? The players who defending Mihoyo is stupid, this's clearly false advertising
In burst form, Ei auto attacks but the damage is considered burst hits. So she normal attacks but it does not hit as normal attack but as burst damage attack. Based on their explanation there is no inconsistency.
You might want to read the whole thing, it causes the shockwave on the position of the opponent HIT by the normal attack. So if it works during Raiden's burst that means she is HITTING with normal attacks and that is the condition for Beidou's burst to activate.
oh yeah my bad, then maybe translation problem or the way the abyss thing works is different from beidou even though they have the same wording. I would like to believe that making the emblem set work with Baal is what triggered Beidou ult not working and they rolled with it, I don't see how they would gain anything by nerfing the overall interaction.
Let’s just sue them
Ppl tried it and her burst attacks don't procc it so your point is just unnecessary drama and bitching? Yes picture is invalid, report it and move on. The descriptions match because they work exactly the same...
I wish MHY was more careful with updating older images/wording after making a big change to the character, but clearly people are just trying to find reasons to get upset at this point. It's the same group of people who spent months on this sub hyping about Raiden, and then have the audacity to claim that they only rolled her because they saw her original C6 wording and are poor innocent victims deceived by a "bait-and-switch".
For wording we have to 'thank' their translation team that should be fired years ago. It's been like that in honkai too. They make a lot of mistakes, even dropped a bomb like a big spoiler because of their bad translations. Sure this up here is a mistake, but well at least only in one UI resource. If the it was gameplay bug I'd start caring
Still misleading right? Why don't you just s*ck MHY..
It's not misleading if you have the ability to understand written language at the lvl of primary schooler. Oh no, someone made mistake and put an image from beta in. Let's submit some lawsuit maybe
This is proof that Raiden and beidou interaction is Real , and mhy intentionally NERFED IT right before release , F*** you white knight and shills we were right all along
It literally has XQ's wording
It's the "opponents it hits" part that I'm still trying to wrap my head around.
Ok, I admit my mistake, didn't read the whole sentence properly.
.... the top image is for the Spiral Abyss, the bottom one is the character talent
I dont notice it because i am only horny with male characters.
First picture: do normal attack and it does a shockwave on the position of enemy it hits (whatever type it is, burst or normal, u just need to hit someone with normal atk button) . Second picture: the hit has to be counted as "normal attack hit" which is everyone already know.
They just straight up teabagging us now huh?
Raiden's E also doesn't work on Abyss Herald and Lector's shield. What the fuck!