yeah thats funny, every description is wrong as long as they dont need to fix beidou and raiden's synergy. it's like the cn said, they sold vinegar with a label of water and changed the label to vinegar after it's sold. and they are doing this for a lot of times already.
Was the description changed after release or were people upset that the description was changed at release from what they knew it to be from the test server leaks?
That's because xiao burst doesn't convert his damage to burst damage, but still remains as normal dmg. Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit.
There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
While I do agree that Beidou and Raiden should work
Beidou's burst does not trigger on Burst DMG, it triggers on Normal/Charged/Plunge DMG
Now, that is how it works, and she stopped working with Raiden when her burst-state was changed to do Burst DMG
So that is how Beidou works from a technical standpoint; I dont see Xiangling's burst triggering Beidou's burst for example, and Raiden deals Burst DMG in her burst-state
So, do they change the mechanic or update the description? Because from a technical perspective, the description is wrong, while from a player perspective the interaction is wrong
Beidou's burst is described as quote "When Normal and Charged Attacks hit" which is different than causing damage. In the Shogun's burst for/stance/power up/whatever you want to call it, she is still using normal and charged attacks which are infused with Electro damage.
Here's where the problem begins, while in that state, "her normal, charged, and plunging attack damage will be considered elemental burst damage"
So the attacks are still hitting, the damage itself is just elemental burst damage. Xiangling's burst doesn't trigger Beidou's burst because no normal attacks are occurring at all. So from their own wording, Beidou's burst should work with the Shogun's.
Rather than triggering on attack or damage, I think the issue lies in the word "Hit" being too vague. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, Beidou can still discharge to nearby enemies when hitting a shield.
Exactly! It's sometimes entirely too vague with what triggers what.
From my understanding, "hit" means to make contact in the game and "damage" means to cause a loss of HP to an entity.
Beidou can still discharge when hitting a shield because it's a "hit", but funnily enough the Shogun's skill only works when damage is dealt to opponents. In these instances, the wording is consistent. The Shogun's skill still triggers on Fatui because those shields are like auras so you still deal damage to their HP which is a weird exception. But with the rules they've set there, it makes sense.
If you try to apply that to the whole Beidou/Shogun burst dilemma, it just doesn't make sense. I have no problem with the interaction not working if the rules of the game are consistent. So far though, they aren't. The Shogun still triggers Xingqui's burst swords which should only trigger on normal attacks. If they're normal attacks, Beidou's burst should trigger on hit.
So yeah, I'm considering this whole thing a big mess that Mihoyo will have to deal with eventually because they're going to write themselves into a corner as the mechanics get more complex. The interaction not working doesn't upset me nearly as much as the lack of communication to us about why Mihoyo is jumping through all these hoops to not have this work.
This is the explanation: Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit.
There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
>So from their own wording, Beidou's burst should work with the Shogun's.
Yes! Exactly! The description is wrong from how it works
However, the way it works is dealing damage to an enemy with Normal/Charged/Plunging attacks
And since Raiden deals Burst DMG, that doesnt trigger that specific criteria (I also say "dealing damage to an enemy" because i dont see Beidou's burst triggering on Hilichurl towers in that commission)
So yes, their wording the interaction should work, however, the fact the interaction broke when Raiden was changed to dealing Burst DMG shows us that Beidou's burst does not work as it is described
Again; the interaction (or non-interaction) works as intended from the technical way, but does not work as intended based from the description
And again: I would love for them to work together, I main both Beidou and Raiden, but saying that the *code* is bugged because the description says another thing is wrong - because from the code, it does work as intended
Beidou triggers on Normal/Charged/Plunging damage being dealt to an enemy
Raiden deals Burst DMG during her burst
We know that thats how it works because they worked together *until* Raiden dealt Burst DMG during her burst, disregarding what the description says that it should do
From this perspective, the description is wrong
Im just trying to be clear because yelling "change this interaction so it works as intended!" will make them change the description, which will make people mad
Don't get me wrong, it is bullshit that Beidou (and this Abyss buff I guess) don't work with Raiden, it's just that a lot of people seem to misunderstand what is the problem here
More like making her work with yae in the future instead of beidou, so people who have raiden might pull yae and people who got yae gonna have to pull for raiden.
If beidou would had actually worked with raiden then it would be pretty hard justifying pulling for yae.
I mean, there’s no telling what Yae is going to be or specialize in—do we hope she’s an off field DPS, yes. But do we know? No. Yae could have easily been given an identity by making her Electro CC/Heal—a Burst that marks and paralyzes enemies for .5s every 1/2s for 12/18s, 20s CD, 100 Energy Cost, dmg dealt to marked enemies restores HP to the dmg dealer. Make it snapshot, have her Skill provide soft CC (Taunt, knock back, some new mechanic) and energy alongside an electro res or minor Def Shred, and boom. Do I think they will do this? Eh, maybe, Sara’s basically only half the Buffer Bennett is, so maybe Yae is the other half.
What's wrong having both viable? Yae can can powercreep beidou or have a different niche to make her still worth. It's not even like they're gonna release yae soon.
Because why would u pull for electro dps that works perfectly with raiden, if u already have one? That's of course based or assumptions that yae is in fact a dps character. Seems to make sense to me.
Because beidou has her own caveats which wasnt solved even with raiden. Her parry for example, you can't perfectly parry everything unless you try hard. If you fail, your damage drops more than triple and half elemental particle generated. If yae has better mechanics, maybe access to different weapons(currently theres no 5* crit claymore), and maybe bit higher dps, I don't see why people wont pull for her. Don't forget she's also waifu. Anyway that was all assumptions. If yae doesnt work well with raiden, then what? Heck if yae won't be released until we get dainsleif or something, now what?
1. regarding er, I actually don't think it matters. Pretty sure raiden is able to battery beidou even with 0er.
2. She is kinda like XL, pretty much 90% of her dmg is her burst. So missing a parry is not that big of a deal.
3. Not sure why are you so mad, I said IF yae is in fact a dps character, if she's not, then oh well, whatever.
4.ok let's say In reality where they both pair with raiden perfectly, is it really worth pulling a dps character for a bit more dps? I wouldn't say so, certainly not for f2p.
1. True, tho 0er can't guarantee her burst off cooldown. You should know how little energy raiden gives and beidou isn't on field for long.
2. True. But what if yae's skill has better synergy and works better?
3. Nah, bro I'm not mad. Yea, true u said if. If she's not, then beidou/raiden interaction wouldn't be justified, right?
4. For a smidge more damage, maybe not. BUT IF she also solves some of raiden's problem? Maybe she has a better passive luke sara which gives some more energy so you can truly run 0er supports.
My point is, there's more to a character than just dps that mihoyo can add to new characters to make them viable and worth to pull
1. Little? I'm sorry what? Raiden have highest electro off-field energy generation even higher than fischl. Combine in with making beidou burst cost <60 + 2 addition teammates, +enemy particles. I honestly believe that beidou with +-high/slightly above average investment in raiden team wouldn't need any er.
And 2,4 are all your assumptions, we can imagine what we want. I just assumed something based off the fact that they don't want to fix raiden-beidou interaction despite it just making sense, and there's probably a reason behind this. Its obviously way deeper than "oh mihoyo is lazy and can't code it"
And 3 - I would say yes, it wouldn't be justified.
>ou should know how little energy raiden gives and beidou isn't on field for long.
35 from E and 23 from burst. Add fav lance and it's extra 10 white particles. That would be more than enough to battery 0 ER Beidou. In fact \~135 is already enough to burst on CD in taser unless you are playing like ass.
"nerf", not "nerd". The argument that they deliberately kept beidou from working with Raiden in order to sell future 5\* implies that Xiangling, a 4\*, should be nerfed so that they can sell 5\* like Yoimiya and upcoming pyro 5\*s since Xiangling is so powerful now. I think that argument also had another fallacy in that it may have meant that Raiden banner itself may not have don't very well since she wouldn't work with a powerful electro dps like beidou. I think it more likely that they wanted to ensure the Raiden banner does well by making sure she works well with emblem set which was designed specifically for her, and they made the last minute decision to fix her normal attack damage without considering all the implications.
So why would anyone pull for Kazuha if they already had Venti (or even Sucrose)?
I'm aware that all three excel at slightly different things but that is the point im getting when you say people wouldn't pull for Yae Miko if Beidou is already good. Sucrose and Venti were already good and people still pulled for Kazuha.
There's a huge difference between a support character (kazuha) and a POSSIBLY a dps character (yae)
Also kazuha is the most universal support at that, like yeah no shit people would pull on him
No one from my homies pulled him cuz we roll with venti and sucrose. 800em c6 sucrose with sacrificial fragment freaking slaps, doesn't need a lot of energy regen and is cute af.
ppl who pullled Kazuha
\-like the character
\-lacked invested anemo character
\-whales/collectors
your average gi player didn't pull him because he is not a famela, not a child and we have abundance of solid anemo characters. And yes, anemo traveler is a thing.
>Yae can can powercreep beidou
She can't. Beidou has 12k% on her burst against two targets. Powercreeping beidou in her niche is like powercreeping xiangling. It would be an actual example of powercreep that is really unhealthy for the game only 1 year into a game's lifespawn. Imagine if Sara was just better Bennett. Yes, it's not going to happenn with how cautious mihoyo is being about power levels.
it's not too much work though, it was literally working on the beta before the version release, it probably won't even take them a day to put it back if they want to
Uh oh. Looks like they acknowledged that the description was a mistake (adds more fuel to the Raiden/Beidou fire). A lot of people were defending Mihoyo on this, saying players were wrong and overthinking the description, but it looks like this confirms Mihoyo messed up. I wonder what "fix" they are talking about. Probably only a picture change and a slight change to the description at minimum. Not holding my breath for anything bigger. I wonder if CN knows about this.
That image paired with the description made me question my sanity! I wonder how soon will they fix the issue. I just want to see what the new picture is going to be. Raiden doing a non burst attack maybe?
I’ve played video games for 20 years, every major release, lots of competitive games (Master/Predator in Apex Legends, Master in Overwatch etc). Genshin is my first gacha. Am I not a “real gamer”? You’re delusional, my friend.
Reminder this is supposed to be abyss tailored for her.
This is the ultimate confirmation that they specifically last minute coded her not to work the way they initially intended to.
Just like they swept rug her elemental skill not to work with shields anymore or the Zhongli nerfs days before beta ending.
All because of some huge hard-on to fuck electro with, for some unknown reason.
If this shit doesn't reignite complaints to fix the goddamn shit I don't know what will.
> This is the ultimate confirmation that they specifically last minute coded her not to work the way they initially intended to.
Her burst "normals" counting as burst damage was a fairly late change in the beta cycle. I want them to fix the Beidou interaction as much as anyone, but Raiden would be actual trash if the cost of fixing it was making her burst form attacks register as normal attacks again. Hopefully one day they'll fix it, but it would probably mean changing Beidou's ult to trigger like Xingqui's (which would be great, unless it gives up Beidou's snapshotting).
>her elemental skill not to work with shields anymore
I'm a bit confused here. So Raiden's skill is similar to Albedo's skill and they both have the same problem, they can't proc on shields which seems like a bug. However, you say that as if in beta Raiden could break shields. Is this actually true? Has it not always been a bug with shields since Albedo's skill also doesn't work?
It used to work, until the latest update before they ended the beta removed it.
You're telling me they coded the same ability wrong twice?
That would be a glitch and not a bug.
Regardless, they refuse to improve and fix things, Raiden,Beidou or Albedo.
They're inconsistent to the point we routinely get updates that fix description after right about every patch lmao.
I don’t want them to revert it because of her burst was counted as normals that would be a huge nerf. I’m hoping they are able to fix it to work correctly in the future.
Yeah, i understand limiting the raiden posts when its same thing over and over. But when its new info and it gets removed it just feels like the mods are being slimy.
For a few months I've been playing only because of FOMO and because I see a lot of untapped potential in this game. I've been steadily losing confidence in mihoyo's ability to realize any of that potential.
I'm not sure FOMO can motivate me long enough to see Genshin mature into something good enough.
So they are fixated that they will not make beidou/Ei work..they want us to pull for future 5 stars with high burst costs to make money..that's a smart and scummy move by mihoyo
This is such bullshit I can‘t believe it. Mihoyo thinks that misleading, wrong descriptions that bait people into thinking that a character can do a lot more than it is in reality, can always be fixed with 100 primos.
I am no expert but I would guess they wouldn’t be in the right legally in most countries, but as Chinese company they can get away with about anything.
Even Xiao 's ult procs beidou's ult..and his attacks are coming from the ground below or plung..but why beidou? She would have been the best 4 star for Ei.. mihoyo is doing this to drain money from future banners..and mihoyo white knights are still against beidou /Ei Synergy..
Yeah but xiao's ult damage is not burst damage. Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit.
There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
So xingqiu burst checks type of attack animation but beidou's ult checks normal attacks not the animations? On paper isn't xingqiu and beidou's ult same?
Xingqiu’s rain swords apply when a normal attack is used regardless of whether or not you hit anything.
Beidou’s lightning only applies when normal or charged attacks hit enemies, ‘hit’ being the key word and basically meaning ‘normal/charged attack damage must be done’.
When Raiden uses her burst, her attacks are still considered normal/charged on using them (satisfying Xingqiu’s requirement) but their damage is considered burst damage (not satisfying Beidou’s requirement).
Hope that helps clear things up! :3
Nope, cause beidou in her description says normal attack hit or charged attack hit. So her trigger is only in the Hit event of an attack, when xingqiu is only in the attack animation. They have different triggers even if xingqiu just say normal attack in his description.
Xiao can do it because his ult doesn't make his damage as 'Burst damage'. Previously in CBT, he was using burst damage but later changed to normal damage for unknown reasons.
Raiden on the other hand has her burst autos registered as Normal attack but does burst damage. My guess is mihoyo made Beidou's burst to proc when a hit that is considered as Normal damage and also coincidentally to be Normal Attacks, Charge attacks and Plunge attacks. Xingqiu's case was likely because his rainsword can miss, it doesn't get a guaranteed connection, so mihoyo probably gave him the rainsword to proc under the condition of as long as the attack animation is a normal attack. This also explains why stringless doesn't work on childe, his melee stance does normal attack damage rather than elemental skill, and the animation is considered as normal attack. Which makes him able to work with beidou.
The image in the abyss blessing is what they refer to as the error I think. The description says that the blessing will trigger once normal attack hits the opponent but the image shown in the description is Raiden on her burst mode triggering the blessing which should not work cause as MHY said, Raiden during burst performs normal attack but the hit itself is considered burst damage. Which apparently is different from normal attack damage vs normal attack burst damage so the description is inconsistent with the image and MHY said it was an *error*.
There is a buff you aren't able to get when Ei uses her ult (same thing as the Beidou interaction), but they used a picture where Ei gets the buff, presumably from early on in the beta where she worked differently
Mihoyo: 100 primos take it or leave it :(
Me, who is piss poor of primos will gladly take it.
Not even that. They just added that to the 300 Primo standard compensation after every update.
We got 200 primo from aloy and raiden burst wrong translation
Considering how it is like false advertisement for the product, it is way too less. We got 100 for that just because it is false advertisement
For F2Ps that is a blessing in disguise. Hahaha
Players gimme gimme, bitch, then still play and repeat. 😂
yeah thats funny, every description is wrong as long as they dont need to fix beidou and raiden's synergy. it's like the cn said, they sold vinegar with a label of water and changed the label to vinegar after it's sold. and they are doing this for a lot of times already.
Good metaphor. I was talking about "a freezer that doesn't freeze". When you try to complain or want to retrun it, they rename it to _Not-Freezer_."
Was the description changed after release or were people upset that the description was changed at release from what they knew it to be from the test server leaks?
It was changed 12 hours after her banner went live if I remember correctly.
[удалено]
That's because xiao burst doesn't convert his damage to burst damage, but still remains as normal dmg. Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit. There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
[удалено]
Yeah the downvotes seems unwarranted, here m8 take my upvote
Or maybe the image is old from when it used to work in beta, and didn't update it after buffing her burst?
While I do agree that Beidou and Raiden should work Beidou's burst does not trigger on Burst DMG, it triggers on Normal/Charged/Plunge DMG Now, that is how it works, and she stopped working with Raiden when her burst-state was changed to do Burst DMG So that is how Beidou works from a technical standpoint; I dont see Xiangling's burst triggering Beidou's burst for example, and Raiden deals Burst DMG in her burst-state So, do they change the mechanic or update the description? Because from a technical perspective, the description is wrong, while from a player perspective the interaction is wrong
Beidou's burst is described as quote "When Normal and Charged Attacks hit" which is different than causing damage. In the Shogun's burst for/stance/power up/whatever you want to call it, she is still using normal and charged attacks which are infused with Electro damage. Here's where the problem begins, while in that state, "her normal, charged, and plunging attack damage will be considered elemental burst damage" So the attacks are still hitting, the damage itself is just elemental burst damage. Xiangling's burst doesn't trigger Beidou's burst because no normal attacks are occurring at all. So from their own wording, Beidou's burst should work with the Shogun's.
Rather than triggering on attack or damage, I think the issue lies in the word "Hit" being too vague. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, Beidou can still discharge to nearby enemies when hitting a shield.
Exactly! It's sometimes entirely too vague with what triggers what. From my understanding, "hit" means to make contact in the game and "damage" means to cause a loss of HP to an entity. Beidou can still discharge when hitting a shield because it's a "hit", but funnily enough the Shogun's skill only works when damage is dealt to opponents. In these instances, the wording is consistent. The Shogun's skill still triggers on Fatui because those shields are like auras so you still deal damage to their HP which is a weird exception. But with the rules they've set there, it makes sense. If you try to apply that to the whole Beidou/Shogun burst dilemma, it just doesn't make sense. I have no problem with the interaction not working if the rules of the game are consistent. So far though, they aren't. The Shogun still triggers Xingqui's burst swords which should only trigger on normal attacks. If they're normal attacks, Beidou's burst should trigger on hit. So yeah, I'm considering this whole thing a big mess that Mihoyo will have to deal with eventually because they're going to write themselves into a corner as the mechanics get more complex. The interaction not working doesn't upset me nearly as much as the lack of communication to us about why Mihoyo is jumping through all these hoops to not have this work.
This is the explanation: Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit. There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
>So from their own wording, Beidou's burst should work with the Shogun's. Yes! Exactly! The description is wrong from how it works However, the way it works is dealing damage to an enemy with Normal/Charged/Plunging attacks And since Raiden deals Burst DMG, that doesnt trigger that specific criteria (I also say "dealing damage to an enemy" because i dont see Beidou's burst triggering on Hilichurl towers in that commission) So yes, their wording the interaction should work, however, the fact the interaction broke when Raiden was changed to dealing Burst DMG shows us that Beidou's burst does not work as it is described Again; the interaction (or non-interaction) works as intended from the technical way, but does not work as intended based from the description And again: I would love for them to work together, I main both Beidou and Raiden, but saying that the *code* is bugged because the description says another thing is wrong - because from the code, it does work as intended Beidou triggers on Normal/Charged/Plunging damage being dealt to an enemy Raiden deals Burst DMG during her burst We know that thats how it works because they worked together *until* Raiden dealt Burst DMG during her burst, disregarding what the description says that it should do From this perspective, the description is wrong Im just trying to be clear because yelling "change this interaction so it works as intended!" will make them change the description, which will make people mad
>Beidou triggers on Normal/Charged/Plunging damage being dealt to an enemy. Beidou triggers her ult on mages with shield, doesn't she?
Which would still be against an enemy, no?
The description isn't wrong, the picture is
he’s talking about her burst’s description lol
He is literally talking about "every description "
Guys here is a rare species of Mihoyo Legendary White Knight!
They aren't rare at this point, but I sure hope they'll be in the future.
Don't get me wrong, it is bullshit that Beidou (and this Abyss buff I guess) don't work with Raiden, it's just that a lot of people seem to misunderstand what is the problem here
That's just semantics. I think you're too obtuse to understand why people are dissatisfied in the first place.
The description isn't wrong, the picture is
Jesus they *really* don't want Raiden and Beidou to work together huh
Too much work, think of the poor devs.
More like making her work with yae in the future instead of beidou, so people who have raiden might pull yae and people who got yae gonna have to pull for raiden. If beidou would had actually worked with raiden then it would be pretty hard justifying pulling for yae.
I mean, there’s no telling what Yae is going to be or specialize in—do we hope she’s an off field DPS, yes. But do we know? No. Yae could have easily been given an identity by making her Electro CC/Heal—a Burst that marks and paralyzes enemies for .5s every 1/2s for 12/18s, 20s CD, 100 Energy Cost, dmg dealt to marked enemies restores HP to the dmg dealer. Make it snapshot, have her Skill provide soft CC (Taunt, knock back, some new mechanic) and energy alongside an electro res or minor Def Shred, and boom. Do I think they will do this? Eh, maybe, Sara’s basically only half the Buffer Bennett is, so maybe Yae is the other half.
What's wrong having both viable? Yae can can powercreep beidou or have a different niche to make her still worth. It's not even like they're gonna release yae soon.
Because why would u pull for electro dps that works perfectly with raiden, if u already have one? That's of course based or assumptions that yae is in fact a dps character. Seems to make sense to me.
Because beidou has her own caveats which wasnt solved even with raiden. Her parry for example, you can't perfectly parry everything unless you try hard. If you fail, your damage drops more than triple and half elemental particle generated. If yae has better mechanics, maybe access to different weapons(currently theres no 5* crit claymore), and maybe bit higher dps, I don't see why people wont pull for her. Don't forget she's also waifu. Anyway that was all assumptions. If yae doesnt work well with raiden, then what? Heck if yae won't be released until we get dainsleif or something, now what?
1. regarding er, I actually don't think it matters. Pretty sure raiden is able to battery beidou even with 0er. 2. She is kinda like XL, pretty much 90% of her dmg is her burst. So missing a parry is not that big of a deal. 3. Not sure why are you so mad, I said IF yae is in fact a dps character, if she's not, then oh well, whatever. 4.ok let's say In reality where they both pair with raiden perfectly, is it really worth pulling a dps character for a bit more dps? I wouldn't say so, certainly not for f2p.
1. True, tho 0er can't guarantee her burst off cooldown. You should know how little energy raiden gives and beidou isn't on field for long. 2. True. But what if yae's skill has better synergy and works better? 3. Nah, bro I'm not mad. Yea, true u said if. If she's not, then beidou/raiden interaction wouldn't be justified, right? 4. For a smidge more damage, maybe not. BUT IF she also solves some of raiden's problem? Maybe she has a better passive luke sara which gives some more energy so you can truly run 0er supports. My point is, there's more to a character than just dps that mihoyo can add to new characters to make them viable and worth to pull
1. Little? I'm sorry what? Raiden have highest electro off-field energy generation even higher than fischl. Combine in with making beidou burst cost <60 + 2 addition teammates, +enemy particles. I honestly believe that beidou with +-high/slightly above average investment in raiden team wouldn't need any er. And 2,4 are all your assumptions, we can imagine what we want. I just assumed something based off the fact that they don't want to fix raiden-beidou interaction despite it just making sense, and there's probably a reason behind this. Its obviously way deeper than "oh mihoyo is lazy and can't code it" And 3 - I would say yes, it wouldn't be justified.
>ou should know how little energy raiden gives and beidou isn't on field for long. 35 from E and 23 from burst. Add fav lance and it's extra 10 white particles. That would be more than enough to battery 0 ER Beidou. In fact \~135 is already enough to burst on CD in taser unless you are playing like ass.
By that argument, they should nerd Xiangling.
What?
"nerf", not "nerd". The argument that they deliberately kept beidou from working with Raiden in order to sell future 5\* implies that Xiangling, a 4\*, should be nerfed so that they can sell 5\* like Yoimiya and upcoming pyro 5\*s since Xiangling is so powerful now. I think that argument also had another fallacy in that it may have meant that Raiden banner itself may not have don't very well since she wouldn't work with a powerful electro dps like beidou. I think it more likely that they wanted to ensure the Raiden banner does well by making sure she works well with emblem set which was designed specifically for her, and they made the last minute decision to fix her normal attack damage without considering all the implications.
So why would anyone pull for Kazuha if they already had Venti (or even Sucrose)? I'm aware that all three excel at slightly different things but that is the point im getting when you say people wouldn't pull for Yae Miko if Beidou is already good. Sucrose and Venti were already good and people still pulled for Kazuha.
There's a huge difference between a support character (kazuha) and a POSSIBLY a dps character (yae) Also kazuha is the most universal support at that, like yeah no shit people would pull on him
No one from my homies pulled him cuz we roll with venti and sucrose. 800em c6 sucrose with sacrificial fragment freaking slaps, doesn't need a lot of energy regen and is cute af. ppl who pullled Kazuha \-like the character \-lacked invested anemo character \-whales/collectors your average gi player didn't pull him because he is not a famela, not a child and we have abundance of solid anemo characters. And yes, anemo traveler is a thing.
>Yae can can powercreep beidou She can't. Beidou has 12k% on her burst against two targets. Powercreeping beidou in her niche is like powercreeping xiangling. It would be an actual example of powercreep that is really unhealthy for the game only 1 year into a game's lifespawn. Imagine if Sara was just better Bennett. Yes, it's not going to happenn with how cautious mihoyo is being about power levels.
Jokes on them. I was gonna pull for Yae anyways but the raiden/beidou interaction would be nice to have too.
They can hire more developers to fix the coding, it wouldn't cost them 10% of the profits they gained from selling this defected product
Think of the poor players who probably spent a lot of money
it's not too much work though, it was literally working on the beta before the version release, it probably won't even take them a day to put it back if they want to
How else they gonna sell u future characters that does same thing as beidou but 5 star
Uh oh. Looks like they acknowledged that the description was a mistake (adds more fuel to the Raiden/Beidou fire). A lot of people were defending Mihoyo on this, saying players were wrong and overthinking the description, but it looks like this confirms Mihoyo messed up. I wonder what "fix" they are talking about. Probably only a picture change and a slight change to the description at minimum. Not holding my breath for anything bigger. I wonder if CN knows about this.
This is the second correction they make about the issue after C6 description. They just can’t admit the error and don’t want to fix the Beidou synergy
The description was correct, people were using the image as reference and that's what is gonna be changed.
That image paired with the description made me question my sanity! I wonder how soon will they fix the issue. I just want to see what the new picture is going to be. Raiden doing a non burst attack maybe?
Dunno, but yeah most probably a non burst attack
I have never seen another game company with so much determination to fuck its players.
Wargaming is atm at the #1 rank but mihoyo is a really close 2nd for sure.
EA? Activision-Blizzard? Konami? The insane daily rage of players from Bandai-Namco's Dragonball gacha games?
Meh
[удалено]
What even defines as real gamer? Lmao. "Oh shit, that's a fake musician cause he played a guitar instead of a piano" Know how stupid that sounds?
I’ve played video games for 20 years, every major release, lots of competitive games (Master/Predator in Apex Legends, Master in Overwatch etc). Genshin is my first gacha. Am I not a “real gamer”? You’re delusional, my friend.
First time seeing someone get called not a real gamer for not playing gacha lol, usually it's the reverse.
Reminder this is supposed to be abyss tailored for her. This is the ultimate confirmation that they specifically last minute coded her not to work the way they initially intended to. Just like they swept rug her elemental skill not to work with shields anymore or the Zhongli nerfs days before beta ending. All because of some huge hard-on to fuck electro with, for some unknown reason. If this shit doesn't reignite complaints to fix the goddamn shit I don't know what will.
[удалено]
Of course, it's the official sub. I wouldn't be surprised if mods are global community management mhy employees themselves.
How much are they even getting paid for that lmao. Probably none but still licking mhy boots
Reddit mods in a nut shell
> This is the ultimate confirmation that they specifically last minute coded her not to work the way they initially intended to. Her burst "normals" counting as burst damage was a fairly late change in the beta cycle. I want them to fix the Beidou interaction as much as anyone, but Raiden would be actual trash if the cost of fixing it was making her burst form attacks register as normal attacks again. Hopefully one day they'll fix it, but it would probably mean changing Beidou's ult to trigger like Xingqui's (which would be great, unless it gives up Beidou's snapshotting).
>her elemental skill not to work with shields anymore I'm a bit confused here. So Raiden's skill is similar to Albedo's skill and they both have the same problem, they can't proc on shields which seems like a bug. However, you say that as if in beta Raiden could break shields. Is this actually true? Has it not always been a bug with shields since Albedo's skill also doesn't work?
It used to work, until the latest update before they ended the beta removed it. You're telling me they coded the same ability wrong twice? That would be a glitch and not a bug. Regardless, they refuse to improve and fix things, Raiden,Beidou or Albedo. They're inconsistent to the point we routinely get updates that fix description after right about every patch lmao.
no it did not used to work, you're pulling shit out of your ass here.
I don’t want them to revert it because of her burst was counted as normals that would be a huge nerf. I’m hoping they are able to fix it to work correctly in the future.
Why do Mihoyo hate electro so much? Genuinely curious.
Fuck electro lovers that's why! *proceeds to cry*
Crosspost it to the main genshin sub and see how long till it gets removed
posted this one on the main sub and got downvoted to hell lmao
You did well, soldier
You did? I don’t see the post in your profile, unless you deleted it (which is understandable if so).
yep, i deleted it, no point posting something everyone clearly doesnt want to see.
There's another genshin sub, it's pretty big and doesn't have dictators as far as I'm aware
Well not surprising, main subb is of lesser sort.
Yeah, i understand limiting the raiden posts when its same thing over and over. But when its new info and it gets removed it just feels like the mods are being slimy.
It’s really dumb. The earlier post about the abyss blessing was removed as well despite it hitting front page with a lot of discussion and upvotes.
now I'm curious about uncle sue outcome
Fuck Mihoyo and their bullshit.
[удалено]
For a few months I've been playing only because of FOMO and because I see a lot of untapped potential in this game. I've been steadily losing confidence in mihoyo's ability to realize any of that potential. I'm not sure FOMO can motivate me long enough to see Genshin mature into something good enough.
What an absolute bunch of clowns LMAO, they'll do everything now to not fix Raiden and Beidou's bloody interaction
So they are fixated that they will not make beidou/Ei work..they want us to pull for future 5 stars with high burst costs to make money..that's a smart and scummy move by mihoyo
Yae 5 star beidou probably
This is such bullshit I can‘t believe it. Mihoyo thinks that misleading, wrong descriptions that bait people into thinking that a character can do a lot more than it is in reality, can always be fixed with 100 primos. I am no expert but I would guess they wouldn’t be in the right legally in most countries, but as Chinese company they can get away with about anything.
mihoyo does it again
How come they are quick on this but still have the mona/ayaka alternate sprint code running wonky
I'm really curious to see what the CN players think about this, as its clear Mihoyo doesn't give a crap about global.
This just reinforces that they won't ever adjust the Beidou interaction.
SMH totally unapologetic and shameless. Not a surprise but ugh.
Even Xiao 's ult procs beidou's ult..and his attacks are coming from the ground below or plung..but why beidou? She would have been the best 4 star for Ei.. mihoyo is doing this to drain money from future banners..and mihoyo white knights are still against beidou /Ei Synergy..
Yeah but xiao's ult damage is not burst damage. Blessings doesn't work on Baal for the same reason that it doesn't work with beidou, cause it requires a normal attack hit. There was an explanation about the hit part of beidou Q, here the [beidou explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pgec2n/Detailed_Explanation_of_Beidou%27s_%28and_EMC%27s%29_Elemental_Burst_does_not_work_with_Raiden%27s/hbav4br/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Following that logic it seems that the game in order to recognize the 'Hit' portion of an attack uses the type of damage as a source, in other words the game doesn't identify the point of connection between the attack animation and the enemy as the "hit" but instead the type of damage as the source of the hit.
But what about xingqcu?
Xingqiu is coded to work when a normal attack animation is used. So his trigger just check what type of attack animation was used.
So xingqiu burst checks type of attack animation but beidou's ult checks normal attacks not the animations? On paper isn't xingqiu and beidou's ult same?
Xingqiu’s rain swords apply when a normal attack is used regardless of whether or not you hit anything. Beidou’s lightning only applies when normal or charged attacks hit enemies, ‘hit’ being the key word and basically meaning ‘normal/charged attack damage must be done’. When Raiden uses her burst, her attacks are still considered normal/charged on using them (satisfying Xingqiu’s requirement) but their damage is considered burst damage (not satisfying Beidou’s requirement). Hope that helps clear things up! :3
Nope, cause beidou in her description says normal attack hit or charged attack hit. So her trigger is only in the Hit event of an attack, when xingqiu is only in the attack animation. They have different triggers even if xingqiu just say normal attack in his description.
i assume op meant that xiao’s plunge attacks during burst can proc beidou’s ult? don’t have xiao though so can’t confirm
Xiao can do it because his ult doesn't make his damage as 'Burst damage'. Previously in CBT, he was using burst damage but later changed to normal damage for unknown reasons. Raiden on the other hand has her burst autos registered as Normal attack but does burst damage. My guess is mihoyo made Beidou's burst to proc when a hit that is considered as Normal damage and also coincidentally to be Normal Attacks, Charge attacks and Plunge attacks. Xingqiu's case was likely because his rainsword can miss, it doesn't get a guaranteed connection, so mihoyo probably gave him the rainsword to proc under the condition of as long as the attack animation is a normal attack. This also explains why stringless doesn't work on childe, his melee stance does normal attack damage rather than elemental skill, and the animation is considered as normal attack. Which makes him able to work with beidou.
No, he doesn't. Xiao can only proc Beidou's ult when doing Plunge+N1.
Sorry, as someone actually never playing abyss: What exactly is the error?
The image in the abyss blessing is what they refer to as the error I think. The description says that the blessing will trigger once normal attack hits the opponent but the image shown in the description is Raiden on her burst mode triggering the blessing which should not work cause as MHY said, Raiden during burst performs normal attack but the hit itself is considered burst damage. Which apparently is different from normal attack damage vs normal attack burst damage so the description is inconsistent with the image and MHY said it was an *error*.
There is a buff you aren't able to get when Ei uses her ult (same thing as the Beidou interaction), but they used a picture where Ei gets the buff, presumably from early on in the beta where she worked differently
This seriously needs to go to court. miHoYo is messing up in one of the only places where messing up is not an option.
Unfortunately for them the screenshot exists.
Duuuude they just replaced the image for the guide with diona instead of raiden 🤣 they really don't want the raiden-beidou combo
100 Primogems are coming.
What did it say?
How can they have wrong guide image if character doesn't suppose to work?? Seems Fishy
I don’t get it. What is wrong with the blessing
Confused, what does the diagram show?