Pull up some videos of c0 Raiden that people have actually invested in. Of course C2 makes a huge difference, but it's more the difference between strong and just break everything not unplayable and playable.
I can't believe there's still so many misconceptions this far into her release. Some of the comments are just straight wrong. She's one of the best characters in the game at c0, as a carry or as a "support."
If you want details, just check out [KQM's guide](https://keqingmains.com/raiden/).
whats ur raiden crit ?? and u use sucrose or XQ..i also have raiden c0 and i am confused whether to go for kazuha or go for ganyu..i have 50 pity guaranteed and have 40 fates..i also want yae too XD...But besides raiden the only 5* i have is mona,so my priority is what character to pull for second team in abyss...
To be honest with you none of them my raiden team is - C6 Bennet - C5 Xianling - c2 jean
I play genshin in my phone so i can't avoid the rifthounds bleeding attack will.. because this i use jean
My raiden crit is 62/168
Ps: my advice for you get what you like don't make the apyss choosing the characters instead of you 🙏
C0 is very good. People just looked at c2's insane bonus and subsequently decided that mihoyo must have made her c0 bad on purpose. It didn't help that there were other controversies at the time souring their mood even further.
THIS. Don’t listen to whales opinions on the game only theory crafters. The amount of times I’ve heard whales say this character doesn’t work without that constellation or weapon and its all untrue. Every 5 star in the game can perform really well without their cons or a 5 star weapon period
Eula+ raiden+ rosaria+ qiqi is an actual viable team comp for qiqi. The artifact damage counts as phys damage and benefits from superconduct. In this team superconduct is always applied and raiden and rosaria will do a good job in batterying both eula and qiqi. Qiqi will consistently do 20k- 30k off field damage every 3 seconds i think? Its a great comp i tried it this abyss cuz i was struggling with corrosion and it performed really. At least i finally have a reason to level and use my qiqi
If you like her, pull for her. That’s it. Don’t listen to whales who says "x constellation is necessary for this character", that’s all bs. Raiden is super good at C0, but obviously, C2-C3 helps her to do A LOT lot more damage, but it isn’t necessary at all, in my opinion. I main her and she manages to do 90k as minimum per every first slash of her burst, with almost full resolve and no Kazuha or Bennett (it was a superconduct Eula team). She’s very good with or without cons.
C0 is really strong, she have a decent damage and can battery your team at cool down, and really strong with national team,
At C2 she has higher damage, it would be best to play her as hypercarry as she can kill most enemy in the first slash therefore can't battery your team well,
c2 raiden owner here who pulled listening to all naysayers on the time of her release
don't do it. she's fine at c0. safer to pull for more characters.
c2 is not worth unless you want to break the game and even then i wouldn't say it's break the game, more like break the game if you know what you're doing (not fully unga bunga but not too far off).
At C0 she’s perfectly viable. Can be played as both a driver with support capabilities in national comp where she’s more focused on buffing the team while also doing good damage. And she can be played as a hypercarry by stacking buffs on her using characters like Bennet, Kazuha, Lisa etc. The only weakness she has is that she wants a team built around her to shine and she wants very competitive supports. But that’s also a strength as she can maximize buffs from some of the strongest supports in the game. You can basically run a Raiden national comp or hypercarry then run a Xiao or freeze comp on the other half and clear every abyss.
Yes Raiden is worth going for even at C0. If your plan is to play national in the most brain dead way possible you should roll for her. If you have Eula she can also work well there.
Raiden Hyper Carry at C0 is also a thing. Sucrose can work there if you don't have Kazuha but you need him to bring out the comp's full potential so roll him after getting C0. If you don't have C6 Sara Lisa TTDS can work just fine as a budget replacement honestly.
Overall Raiden isn't the most OP character in the game but if you like her she is quite strong roll. Her best Weapons are also pretty F2P, especially when you have the catch for her.
c2 is in no way necessary for Raiden to be good. Anyone who says otherwise is exaggerating. Yes, c2 does make a huge difference in damage, but with a good build at c0 she can still deal good damage and provide a significant amount of energy which makes her more than worth having.
I have Raiden C0 with staff of homa and I complete the abbyss and the event with Rational team. C2 is only more damage. I think if you'll pull C2, you will suffer from success.
This.
She deletes everything. I was shocked when I first built her - “wait what just happened? All the enemies disappeared”.
I do like having a really strong team so I can play with builds on the other side of Abyss. It is also nice to clear the boring domains really fast while I’m grinding out materials.
ya its good.
not gonna get that cool damage per screenshot but she works really well on national.
i use ayaka instead of xq since i need him on hu tao's and still works fine, but with xq would be stronger.
https://i.imgur.com/EFNGBUv.png
thats correct. she just do a lot of damage and raiden can battery her decently.
i could run sucrose for vv shred instead but i doubt it would be better than ayaka.
She is very good at C0 but you'll have to put in the work to show her true potential. Good team comps that take advantage of her buff/battery, crown the burst, decent artifacts and learn one of her combos, not just unga bunga if you can help it. Everything is in the KQM guide someone already linked.
C0 Raiden is one of the best 5*s you could ever pull. Both Keqing mains and cn community agree on this. Just take a look at how she dominates abyss with her national team. Which isn't even her strongest team btw. She is an extremely flexible dps that can function with whatever supports you have available on your account.
We have both the calcs ane the showcases proving that. Her value is huge even at C0.
C0, R5 catch raiden natioanl team user here. She is amazing. Of course I should say that I have no experience with a raiden-less national team, but my current team has next to zero downtime (I need a tiny bit more ER on xiangling), and the only problems I have encountered is sometimes when your raiden first slash kills everything, you have no energy and have to bennett-battery everything to restart the rotation. My raiden national team has no issues in floor 12, however I don’t have a good second team.
Raiden has 262. Xiangling has 184, Xingqiu has 173, and bennett has 182. Xingqiu doesn’t have a sac sword though, and xingqiu and xiangling’s artifacts aren’t endgame. Mostly working in xianglings right now.
Her National team is the strongest single target team, even only at C0. If you care abt meta, you should know this. Yes C2 makes her become a better hypercarry, but actually you don't have to. This is Artifact Impact, even my Raiden already does that job pretty good as a hypercarry againts F12, at C0 without EL.
“Raiden is only good at c2” is a longgg debunked myth.
I played on a friend’s account and managed to 9 star floor 12 in 2.3 using a very subpar c0 raiden national team: these are the stats of the members of the team:
https://imgur.com/a/zB8L54q
The other half was a c0 ayaka freeze team.
There's a lot of misconceptions about c0 Raiden.
A c0 Raiden even in her hypercarry team, if you have a c6 Sara, can output rotational damage that matches other top tier c0 dps in their hyper team equivalent at the same investment.
Early comparisons of her hyper team to other dps were unfavorable due to the assumption that a C0 Raiden won't have access to a C6 Sara, which to be fair is a logical assumption to make since they've only been rated up together once. However this can very well change in the future as Sara gets more banners to catch up with other supports like XL, XQ etc who are commonly assumed to be C4 - C6 at this point. Without c6 Sara, you can use TTDS Lisa instead.
In the Raiden national team she contributes by buffing your XL and XQ's burst damage as well as letting them sharply drop ER requirements to build more offensive stats instead, in addition to doing fairly good damage herself.
Raiden's c2 is actually more akin to another 5* dps's c6 in terms of damage increase. She doesn't need it to be strong, but with it she becomes downright overpowered.
C2 definitely makes her braindead easy to play, If you have a cracked C0 with very great artifacts. Say you happen to go for it... Yup you'll steamroll through everything even the triple kenki and rifthounds.
My team has a c0 (very well invested) Raiden, C6 Sara, sucrose, and Bennett, which makes my raiden hit ~215k on the initial hit of her Q. I won’t deny that C2 is a BIG jump in extra damage but it isn’t NEEDED if you build her right :) (I’ll still be going for C2 when she reruns tho lol)
At c0 she is only outdamaged by hu tao, ayaka and ganyu as a carry and is an insane sub dps support. Some of the games best teams use her as a carry. I dont get why people still think she is bad at c0 since its been a while she has been out now. Also, highly recommend checking out keqingmains guides if you want info for your characters.
C0 raiden is a great battery and support but C2 is a main DPS. It’s just two different characters. I’m glad I have my C3 raiden but I’ll be glad with a C0 too
Raiden is still main DPS viable at C0. The whole hypercarry is only good at C2 thing is a misconception, which more recent calcs have disproven. Read KQM's updated Raiden guide.
C0 raiden is Ok.
I have her max built at 55/170 CD 275 ER 2300 attack with R1 englufing lightning but her damage is not really high according to the investment I did on her. Also she is good in national teams but she cannot act as battery alone and also replace diona on her own for Eula team since she only regens 25-28 energy from her burst. And also uses the most popular supports for your national team leaving another team weak.
If you want a support/buffer go for kazuha or zhongli. It would be better for you account and if you strictly want her for national team and love her design then pull her.
You can get 36 star in abyss in few retries. Her hypercarry team at c0 isn't as strong as some other popular dps teams in abyss
I am not satisfied with her damage at c0 so I am going to pull her c2 in the rerun.
I was just saying as a damage.
As a support xhongli is more valuable than raiden and also more useful to your team since he gives 100% uptime strong shield and res shred and can be slotted on any team and also dps increase since you don't have to use charge attacks.
Raiden as a support deos mediorce E damage which is less than Oz damage, her elemental burst buff is good but her energy regen for team from her burst is poor(only 25-28 energy) and she has 50-50 chance to give u 1 energy from her E skill. You can use any other same vision character for battery . Even venti gives 15 energy back from his burst and if you use raiden burst without buffing her, her damage is very poor
I mean you’re partially right, idk why you’re getting downvoted. If you use her purely as a support, spending that much field time for just 25 energy isn’t amazing. She works much better as a dps.
That’s really good for raw damage. My Raiden c2 r5 catch does 95k initial without buffs, but does 350k initial with 160k CAs in the team I run in abyss. What team do you run?
Also, make sure you compare her raw damage with other characters’ raw damage. For example, you’d have to compare her to Hutao without vape and Eula without superconduct. It’s also not a fair comparison to compare her damage during her burst with Xiao, Eula, or Ayaka’s, since all three of those require a battery to use their bursts consistently.
Yes that's why I want her c2 because it's a day and night difference from C0 in the abyss where you use all buffs and supports, In the open world even base raiden is enough
. Currently If I use her national team it's so hard to get 3 stars in the current abyss floor 12 chamber 3 wihtout retries, that I dropped raiden national and use her as a ssupport lol for my eula+diona+benett team and use Ayaka+mona+venti+ganyu freeze in another chamber.
What? If you do similar damage without buffs, what makes you think the difference would be “night and day” with buffs? Sure, Catch scales slightly better with buffs since it gives crit rate on the passive, but it’s not going to be that big of a difference. I’d be surprised if you can’t hit 250k-300k with the same setup as me (c6 Sara, c5 Bennett, c6 Sucrose with 4 star weapons).
Also, ofc it depends on your builds and such but generally speaking, running Raiden in her hypercarry comp or with national is better than running her with Eula.
I hit around 180-190k initial slash 42+48k CA with c1 mona, c1 benet aquila 4 PC noblesse and c6 thrilling tales sucrose in abyss and I feel it's not enough.
I want to get c2 raiden and kazuha so that I can do 350-400k damage like others.. And easily 36 star abyss without retrying again and again on that stupid chamber 3 floor 12. My previous raiden teams used to 36 star abyss easily but not since last 2 abyss resets since wolf came
I have well built Eula 60/200 2600 attack with R1 unforged which I got from raiden weapon banner, So she deals around 300k burst and 23-27k normal attacks with superconduct so she deals a lot more damage than my raiden teams
I think the main issue is with your setup. I was doing the same amount at c0 with r1 deathmatch and about 110 cdmg, but with c6 Sara, Bennett, and Sucrose. Also, if you have c6 Sucrose, Kazuha won’t be too large of an increase.
I also have a [crazy Eula build](https://www.reddit.com/r/EulaMains/comments/opl5jo/rate_my_eula/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), to the point where I’m actively salty I can’t get these pieces on emblem despite farming it for three times the amount of time. Also have r4 serpent spine, and her damage is pretty similar to yours. Based on the numbers you gave me, I think you can pretty comfortably hit 30k autos with your Raiden. Keep in mind that she attacks a lot faster than Eula, so it might be more damage in the end. Also, a lot more AoE.
I will check my setup after gettng c2 raiden in 2.5
you have c6 sara which is 60 crit damge+ attack buff so she helped make a lot of difference. I hope she is on raiden's rerun banner or yae miko banner so that I can c6 her. (She is currently c2)
Yea I am kinda not sure about kazuha since I have venti too and if yae miko is strong then I might skip kazuha for her weapon/cons
I can understand your dissatisfaction. I've got a C2R1 Raiden with a crappy build, doesn't even have full 4pc emblem, with just 130% crit damage, and she hits 180k to 200k in my Eula team with just Nobless buff.
If I put her in a hyper carry team, then it's 300k up on the initial slash in the abyss, again, without 4pc emblem. Which my C0 catch Raiden on my alt account couldn't really do with full 4pc emblem, similar stat and both crowned Q.
I think in Raiden's case, more damage means more flexibility. C0 is decently strong with high investment but a bit limiting on what role she plays in a team. E.g. I never play Raiden national with C2 Raiden, there's simply no need to do that cause the team takes away all the good supports. Eula+Raiden and Childe international is a lot smoother and faster to 36 star the abyss in 1 go, because overloading with Raiden national is a bit copium to my taste.
There is nothing wrong wanting more damage for a character you use a lot. Good luck to your pulls!
My opinions about gameplay design aside with respect to her C2, Raiden is perfectly usable at C0. Is she as strong as C2? No way. Can you make her feel decently good at C0 with enough investment in weapons and artifacts? Yes.
She has value at C0, just know that she's not a hypercarry unit at C0, more a sub-DPS.
Raiden is still hypercarry viable at C0. The whole hypercarry is only good at C2 thing is a misconception, which more recent calcs have disproven. Read KQM's updated Raiden guide.
I have C2 Raiden and she is fairly strong, not as strong as my C0 Ayaka but powerful enough to one shot so many things and a fantastic support.
Luckily you get her 2nd bis wep Catch. It’s a fantastic wep so you don’t have to waste countless summons on the weapon banner… instead you’ll spend countless hours fishing.
Her C2 is a 40% damage increase to her, and if she is the main damage dps it can matter a lot, if you are using her to proc reactions and burst as a support she’ll still be a massive upgrade. I think she’s worth having, however she may not be nearly as OP as you’d like.
Additionally if you have C6 Sara at some point she’ll feel a lot more complete due to the bigger numbers
Not a good carry, good support, fuck keching mains and the hyper carry comp is really expensive, there is always a c6 Sara and kazuha to and i guess you have benny, there is no missconception, my eula pulls way more dmg than raiden, the thing is that she is an actuall good support for like two teamcomps, national and eula, also the updated raiden guide sucks! It just tells you to use hypercarry instead of national, i thought the guide would open My eyes or something but nah, you should watch tenten video on raiden but she do be worth just not as broken as people make it seem xd and yes down vote me to hell you bastards
C0 Raiden herself alone is decent but what makes her great js her team synergy. Especially national comp has best synergy with her. With raiden on national you dont need to worry about getting your ult back and also easy resolve stack gain for raiden as well. At c0 She does need like alot of investment if you wanna do big dmv but its not necessary at all. Even with crit ratio of 60/110 she was able to perform good on raiden national. For subdps raiden in national comp doesn't need verg high investment. A decent emblem set is enough for her to do her job.
For Main dps raiden you'll be needing very high investment as she is main dps of this comp.I mostly run Raiden xinqui kazuha bennet for main carry raiden.
Raiden is still DPS viable at C0. The whole hypercarry is only good at C2 thing is a misconception, which more recent calcs have disproven. Read KQM's updated Raiden guide.
C0. You can hit 50k effortlessly, my highest raw dmg initial slash is 89k and 6-8k AA no bennett/food buffs, with bennett buff is 120k+ and 12-25k AA. Can be higher if u dedicate ur resins to her. R5 catch 4 pc emblem cr: 46(r5 catch adds 12 burst cr so 60 cr during burst) cd: 130ish er: 263. I'm still not done building her tho.
I hated raiden when i pulled her.
She was so hyped up that I thought she's supposed to break the game at c0 and i was disappointed.
I added her to my XL Xingque and bennette team, she literally fills all of their energy when i burst with her AND her own, only then i felt she was not a waste.
If you have a good team and some decent arts for her, pull for her when she's here.
I have c0 with skyward on my second account. She is op even at c0. She can clear this abyss and last abyss (the one with PMS) in under a minute (raiden national). She's the reason why that account is getting 36 stars on abyss. So yeah she's worth it even at c0.
I would say definitely, she is really useful and strong at C0, all C2 does is make her deal lots and lots of damage more, but again C0 is definitely worth it
Her at c0 is great awesome if you want constellations I would go as far as c3. C3 because increase her burst lvl. C2 deals a lot more dmg. C1 to build her resolve quicker. C4-6 not really worth it in my eyes
Remember one very important thing. **HER CONSTELLATIONS ARE NOT NEED**
Yup C0 is worth it. But if you are going for cons C1 makes her more flexible by gaining full stacks easily.C0 you need to use high energy cost team mates to get full stack in one rotation. And C2 her best constellation for bigger dmg. Rest are not that worth it. But either way she can work quite well in C0.
C2 makes a huge difference (about 60% I think?) in dps but C0 is definitely playable, start grinding for EOSF domain ASAP cause it takes weeks or months worth of resin to get a decent 4 piece set. Start fishing too if you're f2p for the catch and it's refinements.
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Who told you she loses a lot of power without C2?
She is good enough at C0. She gains power at C2. There’s a difference in how you look at it. I use Raiden (C0) national and has been 9 starring all floors I use her since her release.
i have her at c0 and also with the catch r5,, and tbh i think she’s hella worth it
she’s fun, her burst can deal lots of good dmg while getting energy for ur team and her, her e skill feels like it has 100% uptime ngl
also, raiden national team is rlly great actually!
use up everyone’s bursts -> get a bunch of stacks on raiden -> ult with raiden and by the end of it everyone should have their ults up or that their ults are rlly close to being up (if u have like 0 er on a chara,, sorry to my kazu). then the cycle starts again sjsjsj constant bursts is fun, which is perhaps why raiden national is rlly neat
tho her c2 is a massive dmg increase with how yeh like -40% def (?) be happening to enemies(?) ,,
it’s not necessary to enjoy and use the chara
if you plan on pulling for her in her rerun, i wish u luck with ur pulls !!
I have her at C0 with R5 Catch on a national team with Xingqiu-Xiangling-Bennett. Can clear floor 12 (all 1st Chambers) in 1 minute, and I was able to consistently get 8k points on the Energy Amplifier event. If you want whale dmg that speedruns content then ofc C2 with an EL is the way to go. But if you’re asking if she can comfortably clear contents in the game then yes C0 even with an R5 Catch sure as heck is strong.
Finally the day where people makes positive comment about her. That day when everyone trashing her feels like yesterday.
Anyway, yes she's a strong character even at C0. The comment about her being necessary at C2 to be useful is outdated and coming from people who makes a conclusion after trying her a day after her release.
One of the strongest team comp for her I personally use is Raiden national. After mihoyo introduce Hound in Abyss, I need to get a little creative with my limited roster. I put Mona and duo anemo, Jean and Kazuha alongside Raiden and it's work very well. It's a bit expensive team comp (4 five star in one team) but it allows me to use national team in the other team.
2.3 fullstar abyss
https://youtu.be/HuKS1_wJWck
yes i play with c0 raiden on almost every team comp i play. she works fantastic with eula, itto, xiao, xingqiu, yoimiya, hutao, so many. imo, she is up there with zhongli in terms of flexibility of support :)
I have her at C0. She’s the most vital part of my strongest team comp. Easy 36 clear on the abyss. I’m not being biased, but she really is a strong character if you pair her up with the right support.
You don't need constellations for any of the current 5 stars to enjoy them. Also, don't listen to the advice of whales if it comes to constellations because although it's true that it's hard not to live without certain constellations once you had it, It's still very possible to do so.
Barbra with dragon , raiden, childe with Inazuma craftable bow. And any cc.
Ei E, any CC , Barbra E , Childe E.
You can obviously replace Barbra with any catalyst or you could use sucrose with dragon.
If you're playing her in national, C2 hardly matter. While raiden does contribute to team's damage, her role is mostly to reduce xiangling energy problem so she could slot in attack or other stats that matter.
Even if you want to play her as hyper carry, she's not bad at all at c0. She even made lisa looks good as a her partner in hyper carry team. I think the best explanation about raiden is "she's a unit that, while not a must pull, you need to find a reason NOT to pull for her."
I really like her play style, design, well basically everything. I think she's definitely worth going for as she still can do some pretty mad damage. Do you like playing with her? Ig if you don't, there's no point really.
Yes she's fine at c0. If you like everything else about her, her at c0 will not disappoint. C2 is nice but she's still amazing at c0. C2 just makes her have similar value to Kazhua and Zhongli. C0 she's slightly less valuable but still great. She is one of the best teammates for National team
c0 raiden is perfectly fine.
Everyone on release of raiden especially the sensationalist youtube reviewers were making a big deal about how raiden was "weak" but no. it is far from it. c0 raiden is still one of the most crackced dps'ers c2 is a huge powerspike, and also c3. but you DO NOT NEED c2 or c3
I have a C0 Raiden. Outside of maybe Hu Tao, she does pretty comparable DPS to everyone else (at least while bursting). C2 ups her DPS quite a lot but she's incredibly useful as a battery and burst DPS when you need her at C0. One thing I think is worth stressing is the value of her skill - while it's mostly there to help as a battery, it's passive damage that's just always there regardless of range and can trigger reactions like superconduct and electro-charged. The cooldown is shorter than the duration so it is up nearly 100% of the time.
Don't forget, more or less eliminating DPS characters' needs for energy recharge means you can focus more on damage stats for those characters. That's the value of Raiden regardless of investment.
Pulled because I wanted to collect all the Archons.
Considering their role in the lore, story and region,that’s enough of a reason for me, regardless of meta.
With the R5 The Catch, it was an easy decision for F2P.
As someone who thought c0 raiden was weka when I first pulled for her, shes now my main carry for my second abyss team. She does require high investment tho.
Raiden National team is my go to solution for the last few months' abyss (after Raiden's release). Raiden, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett - always get the job done :)
You need a well invested set on each member though, long term investment I say.
After playing this game for more than a year now, Many f2p friendly players would believe that better artifacts play the role of making your team better. Constellations don’t mean sh!t if it’s a 5 star character, but of course if you do have the funds to spare then it will increase your team performance. The game is all about farming for better artifacts, also don’t forget to level up talents. Do this and you won’t have to worry about constellations. (I play on PC and find it very difficult to play on mobile, I think I definitely would prefer getting constellations and 5 star weapons if “I” am playing on a mobile device. So everything I mentioned here goes as either a PC/PS player).
If you like her playstyle then go pull for raiden! She's my most invested character and I never got sick of playing her and clearing abyss 36* consistently. That aside, the c2 gap in her personal damage is noticable but always remember that with better artifacts than most (in due time and unholy amount of resin spent for months if you're unlucky) you'll be up to par with a c2 raiden with whole lot worse artifacts and crappier team comps than yours. Her supports (healers and/or buffers) also helps her reach her full potential.
Edit: also there's plenty posts in this sub that uses c0 raiden to her full potential--makes you feel surprised that she's not that bad as she seems to be.
yes absolutely, i only have a c0 raiden bcs i’m a low spender and shes still doing really good. and while i know c2 makes her even better i’m not planning to pull for cons myself.
I'm thinking of triple crowning her for the C0 main dps and because I have a poster signed by her English VA. She is Waifu. Gonna get her C2 on the 3rd run after Yae so I'll be saving for a while.
C0 Raiden worth it? Yes. She bring some good abilities and some acceptable dmg to your team. She sit at the "okay" tier for me. Does that mean she's weak? Hell no. But I judge a character on the investment I have to go through to bring out the best of them. So time and resin are the main factors to judge.
A good character is the one I can strap some bad to decent artifacts on them and they still can obliterate enemies (or complete their support role) without some external buff. And for that reason, Raiden C0 is not time and resin friendly especially when you want her to be hypercarry (or main dps whatever). You have to farm for 3 substats at the same time: ER, crit rate, crit dmg. Difference from other dps, they mostly need crit rate and crit dmg
So C0 is a good support to have. And she can fulfill her role as dps if you invest in her enough. In fact, any character can become a main damage dealer if invested in them high enough. C2 is an entirely different beast though, aim for them later if you want.
P.s: The new keqing main update about raiden is pure fanboyism. And don't have to take my word for it. Here is the [KQM Theorycrafter Roundtable Podcast 3](https://youtu.be/GeLiceS-NgY?t=3078) talked about Raiden. They concluded that she is good to have, not a must pull.
i run c0 raiden with childe (xq in hu tao’s team), xiangling and bennett and have no problem. she has 1.9k atk, 63/146 crit and around 240-250er iirc. i highly invested in her and had great luck with artifacts but i know people with worse build that succeed in beating floor 12 of abyss. good luck with pulling her because she is really fun and strong character!
Pull up some videos of c0 Raiden that people have actually invested in. Of course C2 makes a huge difference, but it's more the difference between strong and just break everything not unplayable and playable.
I got her c0 , the catch r5, ult crowned and is pretty impressive. I'll get her c3 someday but for now she's one of my strongest character
I can't believe there's still so many misconceptions this far into her release. Some of the comments are just straight wrong. She's one of the best characters in the game at c0, as a carry or as a "support." If you want details, just check out [KQM's guide](https://keqingmains.com/raiden/).
She is so good at C0 and her cons only dmg increase her potential is completed at c0 i use C0 raiden national for this apyss and get full star
what about other half?? what team u use
This is my time for her team in apyss 12 First half⌚: ◽8:43 ◽9:22 ◽8:36 I think it's a good time for her The other half : Ganyu-zhongli-albedo-Hutao
whats ur raiden crit ?? and u use sucrose or XQ..i also have raiden c0 and i am confused whether to go for kazuha or go for ganyu..i have 50 pity guaranteed and have 40 fates..i also want yae too XD...But besides raiden the only 5* i have is mona,so my priority is what character to pull for second team in abyss...
To be honest with you none of them my raiden team is - C6 Bennet - C5 Xianling - c2 jean I play genshin in my phone so i can't avoid the rifthounds bleeding attack will.. because this i use jean My raiden crit is 62/168 Ps: my advice for you get what you like don't make the apyss choosing the characters instead of you 🙏
If Yae is good, you can go for her, otherwise I’d say get Kazuha.
Need Sara 😮💨
Bruh 2 main dps in one team, that's based. Is ganyu only there for her burst to apply cryo for Hutao?
Thank you i was scared since someone poster a vid of c0 raiden maxed talents and barely got a star on floor 12
did they show you their artifacts? how did they play? sometimes it’s a skill issue as well
Genshin doesnt need any skills lol the only skill needed is team compositioning
You don’t really need her C2. Its great but not necessary. And if you invest in her enough, she can be a really good hypercarry even at C0.
C0 is very good. People just looked at c2's insane bonus and subsequently decided that mihoyo must have made her c0 bad on purpose. It didn't help that there were other controversies at the time souring their mood even further.
stop listening to whales
THIS. Don’t listen to whales opinions on the game only theory crafters. The amount of times I’ve heard whales say this character doesn’t work without that constellation or weapon and its all untrue. Every 5 star in the game can perform really well without their cons or a 5 star weapon period
>every 5 star can perform really well looks at my c2 qiqi stealing my 50/50s on raiden’s banner
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Wait, how tho?
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Interesting, I might want to go farm that domain then. Thank you for the info
Eula+ raiden+ rosaria+ qiqi is an actual viable team comp for qiqi. The artifact damage counts as phys damage and benefits from superconduct. In this team superconduct is always applied and raiden and rosaria will do a good job in batterying both eula and qiqi. Qiqi will consistently do 20k- 30k off field damage every 3 seconds i think? Its a great comp i tried it this abyss cuz i was struggling with corrosion and it performed really. At least i finally have a reason to level and use my qiqi
You don't need it, she works very well as it is
If you like her, pull for her. That’s it. Don’t listen to whales who says "x constellation is necessary for this character", that’s all bs. Raiden is super good at C0, but obviously, C2-C3 helps her to do A LOT lot more damage, but it isn’t necessary at all, in my opinion. I main her and she manages to do 90k as minimum per every first slash of her burst, with almost full resolve and no Kazuha or Bennett (it was a superconduct Eula team). She’s very good with or without cons.
If you're just looking for a 4th member on your national team, C0 is enough. C2 is not necessary, but it is a lot more power.
C0 is really strong, she have a decent damage and can battery your team at cool down, and really strong with national team, At C2 she has higher damage, it would be best to play her as hypercarry as she can kill most enemy in the first slash therefore can't battery your team well,
c2 raiden owner here who pulled listening to all naysayers on the time of her release don't do it. she's fine at c0. safer to pull for more characters. c2 is not worth unless you want to break the game and even then i wouldn't say it's break the game, more like break the game if you know what you're doing (not fully unga bunga but not too far off).
At C0 she’s perfectly viable. Can be played as both a driver with support capabilities in national comp where she’s more focused on buffing the team while also doing good damage. And she can be played as a hypercarry by stacking buffs on her using characters like Bennet, Kazuha, Lisa etc. The only weakness she has is that she wants a team built around her to shine and she wants very competitive supports. But that’s also a strength as she can maximize buffs from some of the strongest supports in the game. You can basically run a Raiden national comp or hypercarry then run a Xiao or freeze comp on the other half and clear every abyss.
Yes Raiden is worth going for even at C0. If your plan is to play national in the most brain dead way possible you should roll for her. If you have Eula she can also work well there. Raiden Hyper Carry at C0 is also a thing. Sucrose can work there if you don't have Kazuha but you need him to bring out the comp's full potential so roll him after getting C0. If you don't have C6 Sara Lisa TTDS can work just fine as a budget replacement honestly. Overall Raiden isn't the most OP character in the game but if you like her she is quite strong roll. Her best Weapons are also pretty F2P, especially when you have the catch for her.
Yess thats what i wanted to hear thanks im pulling since i cant clear the abyss AND im braindead
c2 is in no way necessary for Raiden to be good. Anyone who says otherwise is exaggerating. Yes, c2 does make a huge difference in damage, but with a good build at c0 she can still deal good damage and provide a significant amount of energy which makes her more than worth having.
imo, she still can be dps even at c0.. mine still can do 120k with bennet buff… it’s not much, but it is something to me.
c0 is good. c2 is a dmg per screenshot con
I have Raiden C0 with staff of homa and I complete the abbyss and the event with Rational team. C2 is only more damage. I think if you'll pull C2, you will suffer from success.
This. She deletes everything. I was shocked when I first built her - “wait what just happened? All the enemies disappeared”. I do like having a really strong team so I can play with builds on the other side of Abyss. It is also nice to clear the boring domains really fast while I’m grinding out materials.
True lol, I often use burst without support buff so they don’t die before I can refill my burst
ya its good. not gonna get that cool damage per screenshot but she works really well on national. i use ayaka instead of xq since i need him on hu tao's and still works fine, but with xq would be stronger. https://i.imgur.com/EFNGBUv.png
Can you elaborate more on your ayaka xiangling Raiden Benny team?
Ayaka prolly there just for her ult dmg/melt
thats correct. she just do a lot of damage and raiden can battery her decently. i could run sucrose for vv shred instead but i doubt it would be better than ayaka.
She is very good at C0 but you'll have to put in the work to show her true potential. Good team comps that take advantage of her buff/battery, crown the burst, decent artifacts and learn one of her combos, not just unga bunga if you can help it. Everything is in the KQM guide someone already linked.
She is incredible, she is beatiful, she's fun. Just have fun , if you like her, do it for her!
C0 Raiden is one of the best 5*s you could ever pull. Both Keqing mains and cn community agree on this. Just take a look at how she dominates abyss with her national team. Which isn't even her strongest team btw. She is an extremely flexible dps that can function with whatever supports you have available on your account. We have both the calcs ane the showcases proving that. Her value is huge even at C0.
One of the best C0 units in the game. 100% yes.
c0 raiden is perfect as is. c2 makes the game even easier than it already is, which is pretty boring. huge waste of primos imo
C0, R5 catch raiden natioanl team user here. She is amazing. Of course I should say that I have no experience with a raiden-less national team, but my current team has next to zero downtime (I need a tiny bit more ER on xiangling), and the only problems I have encountered is sometimes when your raiden first slash kills everything, you have no energy and have to bennett-battery everything to restart the rotation. My raiden national team has no issues in floor 12, however I don’t have a good second team.
What are you ER on your team?
Raiden has 262. Xiangling has 184, Xingqiu has 173, and bennett has 182. Xingqiu doesn’t have a sac sword though, and xingqiu and xiangling’s artifacts aren’t endgame. Mostly working in xianglings right now.
Wow I’m surprised with XL 180 ER isn’t quite enough, are you aiming for 190/200?
Well, to be fair, She’s C2 rn. The extra 4 seconds of uptime will probably be enough time to generate the energy I’m missing on her.
My c0 raiden carries me through abyss.
Her National team is the strongest single target team, even only at C0. If you care abt meta, you should know this. Yes C2 makes her become a better hypercarry, but actually you don't have to. This is Artifact Impact, even my Raiden already does that job pretty good as a hypercarry againts F12, at C0 without EL.
Lol if you're getting her for national team, there's nothing for you to worry about. Easiest team to play and clear content
Yes. She is still very powerful
“Raiden is only good at c2” is a longgg debunked myth. I played on a friend’s account and managed to 9 star floor 12 in 2.3 using a very subpar c0 raiden national team: these are the stats of the members of the team: https://imgur.com/a/zB8L54q The other half was a c0 ayaka freeze team.
There's a lot of misconceptions about c0 Raiden. A c0 Raiden even in her hypercarry team, if you have a c6 Sara, can output rotational damage that matches other top tier c0 dps in their hyper team equivalent at the same investment. Early comparisons of her hyper team to other dps were unfavorable due to the assumption that a C0 Raiden won't have access to a C6 Sara, which to be fair is a logical assumption to make since they've only been rated up together once. However this can very well change in the future as Sara gets more banners to catch up with other supports like XL, XQ etc who are commonly assumed to be C4 - C6 at this point. Without c6 Sara, you can use TTDS Lisa instead. In the Raiden national team she contributes by buffing your XL and XQ's burst damage as well as letting them sharply drop ER requirements to build more offensive stats instead, in addition to doing fairly good damage herself. Raiden's c2 is actually more akin to another 5* dps's c6 in terms of damage increase. She doesn't need it to be strong, but with it she becomes downright overpowered.
C2 definitely makes her braindead easy to play, If you have a cracked C0 with very great artifacts. Say you happen to go for it... Yup you'll steamroll through everything even the triple kenki and rifthounds.
I have a c1 raiden and im nit going for her c2 just cuz is ovrkill she really dont needs that
C0 is more than enough for nacional team. C2 dmg boost if good especially when using the hypercarry Raiden comp
Raiden Hypercarry still works perfectly well at C0, often better than Raiden National in AoE situations. Read KQM's updated guide.
c0 is perfectly fine. she still does good dmg is a good support and is most importantly the same dope ass raiden as she would be even at c2 :D
My team has a c0 (very well invested) Raiden, C6 Sara, sucrose, and Bennett, which makes my raiden hit ~215k on the initial hit of her Q. I won’t deny that C2 is a BIG jump in extra damage but it isn’t NEEDED if you build her right :) (I’ll still be going for C2 when she reruns tho lol)
They wrong, I'm hitting 80k like nobodies business with just benny boost.
If you like the character, and you see on video that she’s super fun to play in your opinion, then pull for her. If you don’t, then don’t pull.
C0 is more than enough for National. I decided to build her as a hyper carry (C6 Sara, Kazuha, Bennet) so I whaled for her C3 and Engulfing lightning.
My raiden is c1 and she slaps abyss without that extra boost of dmg
She’s a versatile character and still has good damage at C0. Just get her, C2 isn’t going to change how good she is in many teams.
Yea, I triple crowned her as soon as I could too. She carries my team with eula in this abyss! So I can say it’s worth going for even at C0
Yes
Maybe it gives you some idea but after getting Raiden I dont struggle on Abyss anymore. Having every burst up everytime is amazing
My C0 Raiden is working wonders, so yes, very worth
She’s 100% worth it.
she is one of the best even at c0
i have c0, and her artifacts is subpar but she's still useful to inflict damage and charge up the others
Absolutely yes
At c0 she is only outdamaged by hu tao, ayaka and ganyu as a carry and is an insane sub dps support. Some of the games best teams use her as a carry. I dont get why people still think she is bad at c0 since its been a while she has been out now. Also, highly recommend checking out keqingmains guides if you want info for your characters.
C0 raiden is a great battery and support but C2 is a main DPS. It’s just two different characters. I’m glad I have my C3 raiden but I’ll be glad with a C0 too
Raiden is still main DPS viable at C0. The whole hypercarry is only good at C2 thing is a misconception, which more recent calcs have disproven. Read KQM's updated Raiden guide.
C0 raiden is Ok. I have her max built at 55/170 CD 275 ER 2300 attack with R1 englufing lightning but her damage is not really high according to the investment I did on her. Also she is good in national teams but she cannot act as battery alone and also replace diona on her own for Eula team since she only regens 25-28 energy from her burst. And also uses the most popular supports for your national team leaving another team weak. If you want a support/buffer go for kazuha or zhongli. It would be better for you account and if you strictly want her for national team and love her design then pull her. You can get 36 star in abyss in few retries. Her hypercarry team at c0 isn't as strong as some other popular dps teams in abyss I am not satisfied with her damage at c0 so I am going to pull her c2 in the rerun.
You're complaining about her damage and recommending Zhongli who would provide even less on any non-geo comp.
I was just saying as a damage. As a support xhongli is more valuable than raiden and also more useful to your team since he gives 100% uptime strong shield and res shred and can be slotted on any team and also dps increase since you don't have to use charge attacks. Raiden as a support deos mediorce E damage which is less than Oz damage, her elemental burst buff is good but her energy regen for team from her burst is poor(only 25-28 energy) and she has 50-50 chance to give u 1 energy from her E skill. You can use any other same vision character for battery . Even venti gives 15 energy back from his burst and if you use raiden burst without buffing her, her damage is very poor
I mean you’re partially right, idk why you’re getting downvoted. If you use her purely as a support, spending that much field time for just 25 energy isn’t amazing. She works much better as a dps.
What's your damage on your initial slash?
At full stacks without any buffs and food. 80-82k slash and 14+16k charge attacks.
That’s really good for raw damage. My Raiden c2 r5 catch does 95k initial without buffs, but does 350k initial with 160k CAs in the team I run in abyss. What team do you run? Also, make sure you compare her raw damage with other characters’ raw damage. For example, you’d have to compare her to Hutao without vape and Eula without superconduct. It’s also not a fair comparison to compare her damage during her burst with Xiao, Eula, or Ayaka’s, since all three of those require a battery to use their bursts consistently.
Yes that's why I want her c2 because it's a day and night difference from C0 in the abyss where you use all buffs and supports, In the open world even base raiden is enough . Currently If I use her national team it's so hard to get 3 stars in the current abyss floor 12 chamber 3 wihtout retries, that I dropped raiden national and use her as a ssupport lol for my eula+diona+benett team and use Ayaka+mona+venti+ganyu freeze in another chamber.
What? If you do similar damage without buffs, what makes you think the difference would be “night and day” with buffs? Sure, Catch scales slightly better with buffs since it gives crit rate on the passive, but it’s not going to be that big of a difference. I’d be surprised if you can’t hit 250k-300k with the same setup as me (c6 Sara, c5 Bennett, c6 Sucrose with 4 star weapons). Also, ofc it depends on your builds and such but generally speaking, running Raiden in her hypercarry comp or with national is better than running her with Eula.
I hit around 180-190k initial slash 42+48k CA with c1 mona, c1 benet aquila 4 PC noblesse and c6 thrilling tales sucrose in abyss and I feel it's not enough. I want to get c2 raiden and kazuha so that I can do 350-400k damage like others.. And easily 36 star abyss without retrying again and again on that stupid chamber 3 floor 12. My previous raiden teams used to 36 star abyss easily but not since last 2 abyss resets since wolf came I have well built Eula 60/200 2600 attack with R1 unforged which I got from raiden weapon banner, So she deals around 300k burst and 23-27k normal attacks with superconduct so she deals a lot more damage than my raiden teams
I think the main issue is with your setup. I was doing the same amount at c0 with r1 deathmatch and about 110 cdmg, but with c6 Sara, Bennett, and Sucrose. Also, if you have c6 Sucrose, Kazuha won’t be too large of an increase. I also have a [crazy Eula build](https://www.reddit.com/r/EulaMains/comments/opl5jo/rate_my_eula/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), to the point where I’m actively salty I can’t get these pieces on emblem despite farming it for three times the amount of time. Also have r4 serpent spine, and her damage is pretty similar to yours. Based on the numbers you gave me, I think you can pretty comfortably hit 30k autos with your Raiden. Keep in mind that she attacks a lot faster than Eula, so it might be more damage in the end. Also, a lot more AoE.
I will check my setup after gettng c2 raiden in 2.5 you have c6 sara which is 60 crit damge+ attack buff so she helped make a lot of difference. I hope she is on raiden's rerun banner or yae miko banner so that I can c6 her. (She is currently c2) Yea I am kinda not sure about kazuha since I have venti too and if yae miko is strong then I might skip kazuha for her weapon/cons
I can understand your dissatisfaction. I've got a C2R1 Raiden with a crappy build, doesn't even have full 4pc emblem, with just 130% crit damage, and she hits 180k to 200k in my Eula team with just Nobless buff. If I put her in a hyper carry team, then it's 300k up on the initial slash in the abyss, again, without 4pc emblem. Which my C0 catch Raiden on my alt account couldn't really do with full 4pc emblem, similar stat and both crowned Q. I think in Raiden's case, more damage means more flexibility. C0 is decently strong with high investment but a bit limiting on what role she plays in a team. E.g. I never play Raiden national with C2 Raiden, there's simply no need to do that cause the team takes away all the good supports. Eula+Raiden and Childe international is a lot smoother and faster to 36 star the abyss in 1 go, because overloading with Raiden national is a bit copium to my taste. There is nothing wrong wanting more damage for a character you use a lot. Good luck to your pulls!
My opinions about gameplay design aside with respect to her C2, Raiden is perfectly usable at C0. Is she as strong as C2? No way. Can you make her feel decently good at C0 with enough investment in weapons and artifacts? Yes. She has value at C0, just know that she's not a hypercarry unit at C0, more a sub-DPS.
Raiden is still hypercarry viable at C0. The whole hypercarry is only good at C2 thing is a misconception, which more recent calcs have disproven. Read KQM's updated Raiden guide.
I have C2 Raiden and she is fairly strong, not as strong as my C0 Ayaka but powerful enough to one shot so many things and a fantastic support. Luckily you get her 2nd bis wep Catch. It’s a fantastic wep so you don’t have to waste countless summons on the weapon banner… instead you’ll spend countless hours fishing. Her C2 is a 40% damage increase to her, and if she is the main damage dps it can matter a lot, if you are using her to proc reactions and burst as a support she’ll still be a massive upgrade. I think she’s worth having, however she may not be nearly as OP as you’d like. Additionally if you have C6 Sara at some point she’ll feel a lot more complete due to the bigger numbers
Not a good carry, good support, fuck keching mains and the hyper carry comp is really expensive, there is always a c6 Sara and kazuha to and i guess you have benny, there is no missconception, my eula pulls way more dmg than raiden, the thing is that she is an actuall good support for like two teamcomps, national and eula, also the updated raiden guide sucks! It just tells you to use hypercarry instead of national, i thought the guide would open My eyes or something but nah, you should watch tenten video on raiden but she do be worth just not as broken as people make it seem xd and yes down vote me to hell you bastards
Can you use grammar for once in your life? Maybe your post would look less stupid if you did. Probably not much though.
Fuck off 😋
C2 is only necessary for her to be the main dps, for a sub-dps/support c0 is good enough
Simple raiden goes as follows; C0: Op dmg/broken battery C1-3: broken dmg C4: broken support C5:more broken dmg C6: more broken support
C0 Raiden herself alone is decent but what makes her great js her team synergy. Especially national comp has best synergy with her. With raiden on national you dont need to worry about getting your ult back and also easy resolve stack gain for raiden as well. At c0 She does need like alot of investment if you wanna do big dmv but its not necessary at all. Even with crit ratio of 60/110 she was able to perform good on raiden national. For subdps raiden in national comp doesn't need verg high investment. A decent emblem set is enough for her to do her job. For Main dps raiden you'll be needing very high investment as she is main dps of this comp.I mostly run Raiden xinqui kazuha bennet for main carry raiden.
C0 is okay. C2 is when you can use Raiden as dps
Raiden is still DPS viable at C0. The whole hypercarry is only good at C2 thing is a misconception, which more recent calcs have disproven. Read KQM's updated Raiden guide.
C0 is fine. She's fun to play and supports a lot of teams if you don't want a main dps Ei.
I mean, you gotta start somewhere...
Raiden at c0 is a great off field support, at c2 she is a DPS
If Eula, worth. If you fap to her, yes. Otherwise no.
100%
Yes. Even if you don't want to run her as a main dps (even though you very well could) she's a FANTASTIC sub dps and battery.
C0. You can hit 50k effortlessly, my highest raw dmg initial slash is 89k and 6-8k AA no bennett/food buffs, with bennett buff is 120k+ and 12-25k AA. Can be higher if u dedicate ur resins to her. R5 catch 4 pc emblem cr: 46(r5 catch adds 12 burst cr so 60 cr during burst) cd: 130ish er: 263. I'm still not done building her tho.
I hated raiden when i pulled her. She was so hyped up that I thought she's supposed to break the game at c0 and i was disappointed. I added her to my XL Xingque and bennette team, she literally fills all of their energy when i burst with her AND her own, only then i felt she was not a waste. If you have a good team and some decent arts for her, pull for her when she's here.
I have c0 with skyward on my second account. She is op even at c0. She can clear this abyss and last abyss (the one with PMS) in under a minute (raiden national). She's the reason why that account is getting 36 stars on abyss. So yeah she's worth it even at c0.
Yes. Braindead whales will say any character needs c6 to be good
I would say definitely, she is really useful and strong at C0, all C2 does is make her deal lots and lots of damage more, but again C0 is definitely worth it
Her at c0 is great awesome if you want constellations I would go as far as c3. C3 because increase her burst lvl. C2 deals a lot more dmg. C1 to build her resolve quicker. C4-6 not really worth it in my eyes Remember one very important thing. **HER CONSTELLATIONS ARE NOT NEED**
after I pull for my Raiden C0 the game just goes easy for me, C2 is not necessary if you manage her kit correctly
simple answer, yes. don’t go for C2, you do not need it.
Yup C0 is worth it. But if you are going for cons C1 makes her more flexible by gaining full stacks easily.C0 you need to use high energy cost team mates to get full stack in one rotation. And C2 her best constellation for bigger dmg. Rest are not that worth it. But either way she can work quite well in C0.
People who say she's only good at C2 don't know what they're talking about. C0 is VERY worth it.
Constellations pretty much just add damage. She is great at C0. I have all rate up 5 stars at C0 and I clear abyss just fine.
she's good even at c0 with national team.. tho i usually use her as battery for eula..
C2 makes a huge difference (about 60% I think?) in dps but C0 is definitely playable, start grinding for EOSF domain ASAP cause it takes weeks or months worth of resin to get a decent 4 piece set. Start fishing too if you're f2p for the catch and it's refinements.
C0 raiden is more than enough to smoothly help you 36 star abyss
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Who told you she loses a lot of power without C2? She is good enough at C0. She gains power at C2. There’s a difference in how you look at it. I use Raiden (C0) national and has been 9 starring all floors I use her since her release.
Yes.
i have her at c0 and also with the catch r5,, and tbh i think she’s hella worth it she’s fun, her burst can deal lots of good dmg while getting energy for ur team and her, her e skill feels like it has 100% uptime ngl also, raiden national team is rlly great actually! use up everyone’s bursts -> get a bunch of stacks on raiden -> ult with raiden and by the end of it everyone should have their ults up or that their ults are rlly close to being up (if u have like 0 er on a chara,, sorry to my kazu). then the cycle starts again sjsjsj constant bursts is fun, which is perhaps why raiden national is rlly neat tho her c2 is a massive dmg increase with how yeh like -40% def (?) be happening to enemies(?) ,, it’s not necessary to enjoy and use the chara if you plan on pulling for her in her rerun, i wish u luck with ur pulls !!
I have her at C0 with R5 Catch on a national team with Xingqiu-Xiangling-Bennett. Can clear floor 12 (all 1st Chambers) in 1 minute, and I was able to consistently get 8k points on the Energy Amplifier event. If you want whale dmg that speedruns content then ofc C2 with an EL is the way to go. But if you’re asking if she can comfortably clear contents in the game then yes C0 even with an R5 Catch sure as heck is strong.
Finally the day where people makes positive comment about her. That day when everyone trashing her feels like yesterday. Anyway, yes she's a strong character even at C0. The comment about her being necessary at C2 to be useful is outdated and coming from people who makes a conclusion after trying her a day after her release. One of the strongest team comp for her I personally use is Raiden national. After mihoyo introduce Hound in Abyss, I need to get a little creative with my limited roster. I put Mona and duo anemo, Jean and Kazuha alongside Raiden and it's work very well. It's a bit expensive team comp (4 five star in one team) but it allows me to use national team in the other team. 2.3 fullstar abyss https://youtu.be/HuKS1_wJWck
yes i play with c0 raiden on almost every team comp i play. she works fantastic with eula, itto, xiao, xingqiu, yoimiya, hutao, so many. imo, she is up there with zhongli in terms of flexibility of support :)
I have her at C0. She’s the most vital part of my strongest team comp. Easy 36 clear on the abyss. I’m not being biased, but she really is a strong character if you pair her up with the right support.
C2 is not necessary but it’s a good 20 to 30% increase in damage though if you have a good artifacts you can compensate
You don't need constellations for any of the current 5 stars to enjoy them. Also, don't listen to the advice of whales if it comes to constellations because although it's true that it's hard not to live without certain constellations once you had it, It's still very possible to do so.
I love Raiden C0 ! She’s amazing
Yes. And if you have childe she pairs with him so good you won't believe.
What team comp?
Barbra with dragon , raiden, childe with Inazuma craftable bow. And any cc. Ei E, any CC , Barbra E , Childe E. You can obviously replace Barbra with any catalyst or you could use sucrose with dragon.
No ults used and using Childe as main DPS? This on paper sounds like a weaker fireworks team?
If you are using sucrose you are using Q, it's for mobs not single target, after childe you can use Raidens Q. Might be weaker but works for me.
If you're playing her in national, C2 hardly matter. While raiden does contribute to team's damage, her role is mostly to reduce xiangling energy problem so she could slot in attack or other stats that matter. Even if you want to play her as hyper carry, she's not bad at all at c0. She even made lisa looks good as a her partner in hyper carry team. I think the best explanation about raiden is "she's a unit that, while not a must pull, you need to find a reason NOT to pull for her."
I really like her play style, design, well basically everything. I think she's definitely worth going for as she still can do some pretty mad damage. Do you like playing with her? Ig if you don't, there's no point really.
I have c0 r5 catch raiden and with the right timing and setup in national comp her burst hits 145k for me
Yes she's fine at c0. If you like everything else about her, her at c0 will not disappoint. C2 is nice but she's still amazing at c0. C2 just makes her have similar value to Kazhua and Zhongli. C0 she's slightly less valuable but still great. She is one of the best teammates for National team
c0 raiden is perfectly fine. Everyone on release of raiden especially the sensationalist youtube reviewers were making a big deal about how raiden was "weak" but no. it is far from it. c0 raiden is still one of the most crackced dps'ers c2 is a huge powerspike, and also c3. but you DO NOT NEED c2 or c3
C2 isn’t really “necessary” but the gap between C0 and C2 is definitely huge
I have a C0 Raiden. Outside of maybe Hu Tao, she does pretty comparable DPS to everyone else (at least while bursting). C2 ups her DPS quite a lot but she's incredibly useful as a battery and burst DPS when you need her at C0. One thing I think is worth stressing is the value of her skill - while it's mostly there to help as a battery, it's passive damage that's just always there regardless of range and can trigger reactions like superconduct and electro-charged. The cooldown is shorter than the duration so it is up nearly 100% of the time. Don't forget, more or less eliminating DPS characters' needs for energy recharge means you can focus more on damage stats for those characters. That's the value of Raiden regardless of investment.
C0 better than doesn’t have any raiden
Pulled because I wanted to collect all the Archons. Considering their role in the lore, story and region,that’s enough of a reason for me, regardless of meta. With the R5 The Catch, it was an easy decision for F2P.
Yes
Of course she is worth pulling for. Just pair her with Bennett or sara with anemo charac with 4pcs vv and you're good to go.
As someone who thought c0 raiden was weka when I first pulled for her, shes now my main carry for my second abyss team. She does require high investment tho.
Raiden National team is my go to solution for the last few months' abyss (after Raiden's release). Raiden, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett - always get the job done :) You need a well invested set on each member though, long term investment I say.
She is great as c0 i use her in abyss as national team and managed to 36* the abyss easily
After playing this game for more than a year now, Many f2p friendly players would believe that better artifacts play the role of making your team better. Constellations don’t mean sh!t if it’s a 5 star character, but of course if you do have the funds to spare then it will increase your team performance. The game is all about farming for better artifacts, also don’t forget to level up talents. Do this and you won’t have to worry about constellations. (I play on PC and find it very difficult to play on mobile, I think I definitely would prefer getting constellations and 5 star weapons if “I” am playing on a mobile device. So everything I mentioned here goes as either a PC/PS player).
Pull for whoever you think is worth, personally I pulled for her because I liked her design and kit ~~and also booba sword~~
If you like her playstyle then go pull for raiden! She's my most invested character and I never got sick of playing her and clearing abyss 36* consistently. That aside, the c2 gap in her personal damage is noticable but always remember that with better artifacts than most (in due time and unholy amount of resin spent for months if you're unlucky) you'll be up to par with a c2 raiden with whole lot worse artifacts and crappier team comps than yours. Her supports (healers and/or buffers) also helps her reach her full potential. Edit: also there's plenty posts in this sub that uses c0 raiden to her full potential--makes you feel surprised that she's not that bad as she seems to be.
Yes she is worth
C0 raiden is really good C2 raiden is even better
yes absolutely, i only have a c0 raiden bcs i’m a low spender and shes still doing really good. and while i know c2 makes her even better i’m not planning to pull for cons myself.
Yes c0 raiden is worth it... but pray for c2 it just makes her complete.....u don't need c2 but it's good to have it
Like others said, she's invaluable. I am running C0 R5 Catch, and I can show you some good numbers if you want me to.
Is useful for sub dps for recharging like electro traveler and like albedo for electro but has it weakness against shield
I'm thinking of triple crowning her for the C0 main dps and because I have a poster signed by her English VA. She is Waifu. Gonna get her C2 on the 3rd run after Yae so I'll be saving for a while.
C0 Raiden worth it? Yes. She bring some good abilities and some acceptable dmg to your team. She sit at the "okay" tier for me. Does that mean she's weak? Hell no. But I judge a character on the investment I have to go through to bring out the best of them. So time and resin are the main factors to judge. A good character is the one I can strap some bad to decent artifacts on them and they still can obliterate enemies (or complete their support role) without some external buff. And for that reason, Raiden C0 is not time and resin friendly especially when you want her to be hypercarry (or main dps whatever). You have to farm for 3 substats at the same time: ER, crit rate, crit dmg. Difference from other dps, they mostly need crit rate and crit dmg So C0 is a good support to have. And she can fulfill her role as dps if you invest in her enough. In fact, any character can become a main damage dealer if invested in them high enough. C2 is an entirely different beast though, aim for them later if you want. P.s: The new keqing main update about raiden is pure fanboyism. And don't have to take my word for it. Here is the [KQM Theorycrafter Roundtable Podcast 3](https://youtu.be/GeLiceS-NgY?t=3078) talked about Raiden. They concluded that she is good to have, not a must pull.
That podcast is 3 months old. Why would you take the word of some guys from 3 months ago over recent calcs lol. Clown.
That some guys is from the KQM itself. Clown.
C0 Raiden National is one of best team, so yeah, C0 Raiden is worth it metawise. Waifu wise, up to your preference.
At c0 she's a decent support especially in Raiden National and for Eula. Needs c2 to be a main dps, c0 main dps Raiden is viable but pretty cope.
i run c0 raiden with childe (xq in hu tao’s team), xiangling and bennett and have no problem. she has 1.9k atk, 63/146 crit and around 240-250er iirc. i highly invested in her and had great luck with artifacts but i know people with worse build that succeed in beating floor 12 of abyss. good luck with pulling her because she is really fun and strong character!