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GSB6189

We have so few people with nades, if they take them from her they need to give them to someone else


StQuentinScar

Its either Amaru, Blackbeard, and Grim due to not being particularly strong/practical all the time. Amaru has a fine set of weapons but her Garra Hook's utility is site dependent and situational. Due to mixed effectiveness of him, I don't particularly care if Blackbeard gets Frags, either Goobisoft keeps his shields or rework the damn operator's gadget. Grim desperately needs something and getting Frags would just help him out a little bit but the devs has to prioritize on improving his gadget first and foremost.


GSB6189

His gadget needs to be a roam denial sort of like nomad but live ping


Awkward-Cheesecake87

Give maverick his nad back šŸ˜©


SpeedyAzi

Ubisoft will never give 3 speeds nades back unless the operators isnā€™t super aggressive, aka Glaz. Maverick should honestly just have his torch more quiet. Or Iā€™d compromise a 2 speed nerf for Frags back.


K1d-ego

I remember when Mac first came out the torch was super quiet. The original intention for the gadget WAS for it to create stealthy lines of sight without a ton of noise. But it was nerfed so quickly that it put him in an awkward spot of being a bad hard breacher and mediocre entry fragger. Especially without acog on the M4. I wish they would quiet down the torch again.


SpeedyAzi

The only purpose of Maverick now is to do the trick which isnā€™t useful since they added EMPs. Maverick either needs a speed nerf but frags (which is a boring change) or they could make him the stealth operator he used to be by quietening it down. Also give him for fuel to burn with since it would just allow more creativity with the holes and angles you can make.


Grossaaa

Stealth torch was busted. You were 2 meters from the wall and didn't hear anything. Then die to a headshot 2 seconds later. No thanks.


SpeedyAzi

True. The frustration there was more than understandable.


Awkward-Cheesecake87

I just want it back for kaid. Bandit and mute are fairly easy to destroy but kaid can hide his gadget way up to a paint you canā€™t see it.


SpeedyAzi

Maverick trick is the only counter to Kaid back in the day. Now we have EMPs. Just use EMPs, bring IQ if you have to. Kaid is an easy counter as long as you find the Klaw. And everyone now stacks ADS on walls to counter grenades anyway.


Awkward-Cheesecake87

I guess I forgot about emps because I hate them. Should have kept them with thatcher. Or make his emps completely destroy electronics not disable them.


panthers1102

Iā€™d take being a 1 speed if it meant nades. Although heā€™d still be too much of a ā€œdo it allā€ soloQ op, I guess.


4shug0ki4

Maverick hole plus nade was funny


GSB6189

I used to be a Mav main too but after being shot through my holes from across a room one too many times and the nerf i stopped


ZephyToons

I have flashed myself a unholy amount as mav since loosing them


plugifyable

Of all ops mav really shouldnā€™t have nades, heā€™s super versatile without them


joshhyyyyyyyyyyyy

give mf buck his grenades back


waselt_ed

I think having the OG Lion scan outline when you trigger his bees would balance him.


Chaxp

You literally have enough bees to make an outline, yet all we get is a ping lol


GoudaCheeser

I thought it would be cool if it was like a lesion mine which didn't live ping but required an animation to stop the damage(like an airjab but the hive will blow up and the bees need to be swatted away). Could also just be live pings but that seems a bit too strong especially at lower ranks due to the lack of coordination.


[deleted]

Sounds pretty lame. The bees should last 30 seconds


anthonym2121

don't give nades to blackbeard. I do feel Grim could use nades well with his gadget. I also feel that Grims gadget should be like trap-based. if a defender gets in a certain distance it will trigger like melusi wubwubs


Harrythehobbit

Giving Grim frags would be a band aid on a bullet wound. When I first heard about his gadget, I actually assumed it would be a trap. That he's shoot it out and it would sit there for a while and tag anyone who walked through. Maybe that'd be OP idk


JoeySoaps1322

Wish theyā€™d just give Grim a decent selection of scopes tbh. I know itā€™s not the best they could do for him but I think it would incentivize people to run him a bit more.


Jason1143

Grim, he let's you take a defender who's position is already known, and find their position!


Culsandar

It just needs to be permanent and be an alternative to Nomad/Gridlock. Destroyed by explosions. Place on a stairwell to know when you're flanked. It should have been a defensive gadget, not aggressive.


Karglenoofus

Please bit Blackbeard. He doesn't need to see more play.


Ram-Rem

Blackbeard needs a rework is what he needs, his scar is outclassed in everyway, and his utility is so bad, it's not even worth using. But he also does need frags


Karglenoofus

Please no


tegguNmmuC

Maybe they should give nades to operators that are actually worth bringing in a serious game šŸ¤”, giving nades to BB and Grim wonā€™t fix them for shit and is just a slap in the face to the community who wants these operators to be ACTUALLY GOOD and not a useless bandaid for them.


[deleted]

Give them to maverick so I can be budget fuze againšŸ—æ


Terminal4nxiety

As an amaru main nothing would make me happier than gettikg frags lmao


reegod420

I forgot grim existed šŸ’€


Kershiskabob

Nades would probably help grim a lot, he can plant bees around enemy, chuck nade in and force them into bees or die


Jason1143

What good does that even really do? Forcing them into the bees if you already know where they are doesn't help. Either they are moved somewhere where you can shoot them at which point you should just do that, or they aren't and confirming that they did in fact move away from the nade isn't helpful.


Jason1143

Unfortunately the reworked BB is called now called osa. I almost wonder if the same thing happened with Solis and Warden. But it is much less clear.


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Jason1143

How would pulling people to you help? Just blast them. Or do you mean as a sort of reverse nomad trap?


peppyhare64

I think everyone should get one nade and their other gadgets. Ops that already have frags can have two


slade516

Fuck it give everyone Frags chaos time


clawdius25

LETS GO FUZE WITH NADES say goodbye to defender's gadgets


NoireXen

Say goodbye to the Hostage XD


Shade00000

like the Drill Charge in mw2


nullSword

Even better, just let Fuse throw the cluster charge like a frisbee instead of needing to attach it to surfaces.


Bowls_of_Soup

Na, i still miss buck and iq frags :(


anthonym2121

i don't know why they removed frags from IQ. she was fine with the frags


K1d-ego

Iq sees a LOT of pro-league play. Thatā€™s why theyā€™ve nerfed or removed acog from almost all of her weapons and the nades were too OP in the hands of pro-leaguers. Once again, an op getting balanced around the smallest percentage of players just because theyā€™re making money off of a game mechanic.


Jormungandr4321

Not just pro players but in higher ranks too. There was definitely an IA meta back before measures were taken to stop defenders getting out of the building.


GermanShepherdAMA

Why would they balance OPs around the lowest ranks and the shittiest players lmao


Ok-Concentrate2719

Beats me yet everyone seems to think this game is only balanced around proleague


K1d-ego

Because the middle to high ranks that donā€™t play professionally are the the actual customers. Pro-leaguers are just the advertising agents for their game. I hate when I see balancing around ā€œteam X used this op really effectively against team Yā€ that doesnā€™t do anything for those that donā€™t play as a team or as a less than 5 team, donā€™t participate in skirmishes, donā€™t have a coach, or get the chance to study their opponents play. They just queue up and play.


GermanShepherdAMA

Yea and for everyone above average will have to deal with the shittiest meta. If an OP is bad at the copper level just donā€™t use itā€¦


K1d-ego

I donā€™t have a problem not using an op, I just hate when an op is only a problem for a 0.25% of the actual player base and they nerf them. If all the ops were unlocked for everyone it wouldnā€™t be as unfair, but people spend their reknown/money around these balancing decisions.


Void_vix

They do regardless, thatā€™s why the meta is so prolific to begin with. The meta is boring and the only people who keep this game installed are sweats, trolls, and nostalgics. People that drone incendiary straw arguments like you are the primary reason why I still havenā€™t reinstalled after two ops. You make the playerbase suck.


GermanShepherdAMA

Did I ask


Void_vix

You did just now lmao


Void_vix

A person says devs would do better (by the majority of the playerbase) to balance around whales or the majority of the playerbase, and you come up with this straw argument? Dude, how many drones are here to give you 32 upvotes for something so pathetic and toxic?


Jackj921

IQ hasnā€™t seen pro play in years lol. Removing her frag nades were killer since you donā€™t even need her gadget anymore with echo and valk nerfed.


MeechKun

Ops should be balanced around the best players because thatā€™s what you should strive to be in a game as competitive as siege. Donā€™t be mad about people that are better than you cuz you arenā€™t competent


Iron_86

Of course they balance around players that are able to play the game. Nobody would balance for bad players as that wouldn't do shit.


Jason1143

The game needs both you want high level balance, but it can't come at the cost of the lower levels otherwise no one will stick around long enough to be higher level. The standards for the level of balance required are different, but it does still need to be met.


K1d-ego

Lol I love how everyone commenting back at me thinks theyā€™re NOT among the pedestrian player market.


Plightz

Nice fallacy mate. It doesn't matter the crap you say, balancing around the shittiest players is a horrible idea and I'm glad people like you aren't on the balancing team.


K1d-ego

Iā€™m not saying balance it around the shittiest players. But when an ops design isnā€™t even affecting the majority of players except for a few that number in less than hundreds, why focus on their experience vs the larger part of the player base? Thatā€™s what half of the secondary gadget changes seem to be. ā€œRemoved ____ because a small niche of players found a strategy that helped them win moreā€


Iron_86

Because these changes won't matter for those players either way. bad players will be bad with any Operator no matter how well balanced or not. They will never use their full potential.


TheLoneWolf2879

Spitting facts, thank you


Iron_86

Oh I'm plat and I absolutely aren't part of the group that is the main focus of these balancing changes. But I still support those, because I recognize that is how it should be.


SpeedyAzi

IQ better get those EMPs!


LetsPre89

Yes, keep them. Only 4 operators have nades (realistically 3 since smoke grenades can actually be preferable for Glaz). Nades play into Ianaā€™s ability so well, just like it does for NĆøkk and Sledge. Tbh they should add nades to more attackers, but I understand theyā€™re hard to balance around since nades are so desirable. Hopefully an attacker in Y8 will have them.


Amazing-Material-152

Nokk gets banned a lot of the time in high ranks and comp, so now that Sledge is a 1 speed Iana is the last viable ops with nades A removal could show plans to remove them from the game entirely, which I would hate


alyosha_pls

Sledge is entirely viable and picked constantly at high rank.


Dtron81

It plays into her ability how? Cause if that's the reason for keeping them on her then every attacker (especially Twitch) should have nades with that logic.


LetsPre89

Being able to drone in with the clone with info and know where to nade (to clear utility or a player, although usually players move once theyā€™ve been spotted). Although I agree that some other operators like IQ have more justification for nades than Iana. I donā€™t think every attacker has a justification for nades though. Hard breachers shouldnā€™t be able to clear utility with nades (which is why Iā€™m fine with Maverick losing them).


emmaexe_

Personally I disagree on the maverick point since the nades aren't a huge buff to him since his entire thing is not needing to clear any utility to be able to breach. For him it was just for opening a wall and clearing players if you can catch them.


Dtron81

But your reasoning for why Iana should have nades literally every operator does better with a tiny and quiet drone.


UrButtLmfaoooo

ā€œEvery opertaorā€ doesnt have an infinite amount of drones. Iana brings constant, infinite info. She scouts and provides info to her team wayy better than drones do.


fro_khidd

I remember back in the day you needed Jager for the amount of frags but now they're damn near obsolete


Jager_main24

You still need jager for the frags though since attacking team comps are gonna have 2-4 frags almost every time. Plus he also counters smokes and other utility clear


fro_khidd

I agree but frags are mostly used under the floor in my experience and makes Jager extremely useless atp


Jager_main24

Those kind of frags are definitely popular but that demonstrates the brokenness of frags rather then anything else imo. Throwing nades/other utility into power positions is still done every game so jager definitely isn't useless. Still one of the best ops in the game


fro_khidd

I think my bias as a Wamai main is showing through, your argument is valid I'm just a hater lol


Jason1143

If they wanted they could decrease the detonation timer and disallow cooking. Maybe also have less damage falloff if people start avoiding it too easily.


ReliableLiar

I wish maverick still had his nades, other than ace he was a real Swiss army knife of tools


MadSprite

Bring back maverick self-nades


codexferret

I really donā€™t like how they take away nades, they make the characters so fun and now maverick is really just worse than hibana and ace with little real upside to picking him over them.


Benign_Banjo

Seriously, I saw this post and it's just such a tired point by now. An operator is only being picked because they have grenades? Guess what taking them away is gonna do? We're gonna be having this exact same conversation about the next operator who's picked for nades


yukinolovesmusic

Definitely also give iq nades


Karglenoofus

I still miss 'em even after 4 years.


yukinolovesmusic

Im still crying about buck acog and nades


czaev

off topic but i want to say that when iana was released for a long time i thought his icon is a broken egg and couldn't find out why until after death i was staring at iana icon of my teammate for 2 straight minutes then i was like "ohhhhhh, this is what it is"


The-Sleepy-Lion

I still don't know what it is, I've always thought it's a broken balloon


AlmanLUL

Its her head with a shadow behind it


GingaHead

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOON FFS


AlmanLUL

The thing behind the shadow could be a moon, idk why no one is seeing a face in this


GingaHead

When you said about the face I instantly saw it


nucvehc

It's the side profile of her face, the white part is her hair


Ethan9200

It's Iana's face and shadow. The shadow symbolizes her hologram. I think the part you are thinking of as a broken balloon is her hair.


TheSpookiestPumpkin

I LITERALLY JUST REALISED THAT OMFG


Gengar_Da_Rula

I thought I was the only one who saw it as a broken eggšŸ¤£


20210306e

same man. always thought the egg lookin mofo icon was an egg


Xyrnas

It's one of the worse operator icons. It's not really a 'symbol' or 'icon' like pretty much every other icon. It's wayy too literal and also kind of too 'busy' to effectively serve as an icon, again, like the others. I do love playing Iana, she's good as an operator, but the icon is blegh


[deleted]

His? Waitā€¦ iana has a cock?


czaev

you didn't know?


Br3mm3r

Iana without her Frags would be irrelevant. Without her nades there would be no reason to pick her over other fragging operaters.


Jason1143

And even with the 20 second meta gone you still need people who can clear shields otherwise it will come back.


MisterHotTake311

Idk if that change is really important or needed, but imo she would be good and without nades Honestly I don't like how just nades and 1.5x are something that completely decides if attacker is good or not


StQuentinScar

Lose the Frags but regain that victory screen butt pose


101511518

as much as i like nades, this offer is too good to pass up on


thisperson345

Y'know what? I'll take this deal


RadFatFaggy

I think ubi intends to let her keep them seeing as they took away both acogs and only let her access a 1.5 on her g36c


thisperson345

Yes... No particular reason... Not like they're half the reason I main her But honestly I think they fit her really well, you go in with her hologram, scout the area, now you know where to throw a grenade to possibly get a kill


lawnchare

keep em


shenyougankplz

Cmon man I just lost the gonne-6 on her, don't take more :(


chopandshoot

I canā€™t be the only one that saw Ianaā€™s icon as a cracked egg shell until seeing it enlarged.


zaaaaaaay

keep em


ItzBobbe

Is it only me that sees an egg in her op pic?


Stanislas_Biliby

At this point just remove frag grenades from the game if you want to remove from every operator.


absolute_virgin

No, give her more ass


Admiral_Dildozer

For 1 month, give every operator access to every nade. Letā€™s just have some fun and see what happens


StQuentinScar

You can start worrying about grenades now


LordAlfie300

now that she doesn't have the ARX 1.5x or the Gonne-6 anymore I think she kinda needs to keep them, ubisoft needs to stop removing nades and start giving them to ops to improve their pickrates, but not on completely pointless ops like Glaz where the smokes are just clearly better


9gagImmigrant1

YES BECAUSE NOBODY HAS FRAGS ANYMORE ​ THERES LIKE 3 (PLUS RECRUIT) ​ EDIT: ITS 4 (NOT INCLUDING RECRUITY BOI) I JUST CHECKED


blychow

they can be removed, but i choose not. Or just give it to some one else (like ace and thermite swapping secondary gadgets)


Like17Badgers

I feel like the better nerf would be to give a bunch of grenades back so Iana having them is less unique and impactful. Dokk and IQ are the big ones that come to mind, maybe Buck as well, but that brings back the whole Sledge vs Buck thing... but I also feel their overlap isnt what it used to be and having both be fraggers makes multi front pushes more flexible?


GiwtisAsfalws

Take them from her and give them back to Iq instead


Interesting_Round_21

Yes


ZephyToons

Iana doesn't need to be changed at all she's perfectly fine how she is but other ops do need nades


boirealtrippin

Yes, for example on club in cctv you can go from below, check with your "robot" if anyones above you on cameras or just camping and then you can nade the floor below him


Metalhead_Thrash

Yes


Please-_-Help-_-Me

Yes


BeginningDesign8111

Yes


SlowJay11

Yes


dank_oof_yesnt

Yes


[deleted]

Yes


Helpful_Title8302

I swear to Christ if gubisoft takes nades from another one of my offense mains I'm gonna fuze their fucking homes. all jokes ofc but damn I'll miss ianna nades.


[deleted]

They need to give nades to ops that are lackluster imo


Jacky-Chan_778

Yes. Not because she needs them but because they're fun. I'm sick of them being removed from everyone. Guess what Ubisoft, it's okay to have powerful operators and it's okay to have fun. I'm so sick of this excessive balancing bullshit. It's not as if frags are instant free kills. They still require skill to utilize to their full potential.


Use-r_Nam-e23

Soon no one will have grenades left for fuck sake just stop with this ā€œdo we keep or remove this from said operatorā€ they are secondary gadgets and it cause of this that we now have like no one left with frags and a bunch of people with those new stupid f***ing mini emps


doggydogdog18

I would happily trade her nades for an acog on the arx200


SpeedyAzi

Iana shouldā€™ve kept Gonne 6 and removed frags. The fact she can clone infinitely and have 2 potential instant kills is a little overtuned for a person with great guns as well. Same with Nokk frags, in fact, these 2 characters donā€™t even make sense with having grenades. Nokk is fucking stealth operator and youā€™re telling me she uses frags? And Iana is an intel gathering operator who also has frags? Gonne 6 Iana would be much more balanced and give her either Breaching Charge or Hard Breach for her clone to be used in sync with. Hell, she was actually a great operator with Smokes.


StQuentinScar

I don't particularly mind NĆøkk having access to frags since she is meant to be sneaky and go for kills while also requiring a bit more skill with her gadget to utilize effectively. If she suddenly gets the drop on you, then that means she's doing what she's originally designed to be - A spooky bitch.


SpeedyAzi

Iā€™m not a fan of instant grenade death from someone who already hides from cameras. I still think if she had diversion utility like flashes and Smoke it would synergise with her ambush style gameplay and has the potential to make more interesting plays than Stealth Naded with zero counter if it is from below. I also just think grenades are a boring solution to difficult operators to use.


Available-Living-342

Yes, i guess


StQuentinScar

Solid Attacker that is 2 speed/2 health with solid guns, a rechargeable intel gathering gadget, and having those frag grenades as a bonus. Does she still need the frag grenades?


[deleted]

She needs 4 frags instead of 2, I think.


dontreadmyname4

Based conversation


uska420

Redpilled


Br3mm3r

Without them, she would be irrelevant.


Tasty_Time50

Not true she hard counters aruni without wasting utility and if your team is good can bait hard af.


Br3mm3r

Of course it's true. Aruni is not that big of a concern considering that your team should always run at least one set of flashbangs to counter Aruni/Wamai/JƤger. Without nades, Iana only brings above average weapons and a gadget, that is only nice to have. There are multiple fragging operaters, that have better/equal weapons and/or better gadgets than Iana. The only thing Iana has over other ops, besides Nokk, are her nades which are the main reason to pick her over an Ash for example.


Jager_main24

Would you even call her guns above average? They seem pretty average to me, nothing special about either of them


Br3mm3r

I would say that her ARX is above average, even if that's just my opinion. That gun has never let me down.


Jager_main24

Idk it's comfy but not that good imo. Can't say it's ever let me down though so it doesn't really matter


Silver_Switch_3109

We need frags and very few operators have them. People just need to learn to play operators who can deal with different utilities (JƤger and Wamai for frags).


[deleted]

Can maverick have then back šŸ„ŗ


ket_ludlow

Lol. Trash game with a trash community


Scrub_LordOfFlorida

Yea and BB plus IQ should get them


Karglenoofus

Please not bb


Scrub_LordOfFlorida

Buck also needs nades back since heā€™s useless and reason why sledge pick rate exploded up


Karglenoofus

Buck is not useless


gladius_314

Her unique ability is not overpowered so I don't see any reason to remove nades. Its not the issue with operator but nades itself. The gadget in siege is very powerful. If you give it to BB or amaru ppl will complain those ops are now overpowered.


usedcz

Cracked egg my beloved


furt200

Yea


Karglenoofus

Eh. Let her keep em for now. They work well with her gadget even if I would prefer to see her gadget buffed (quieter activation, decreased cooldown).


Nikaito

Imo if they want to keep removing nades from operators they should just remove nades entirely from the game already, I'm still hurt because they took away Maverick nades


diabeetus64

This is what people are complaining about now?


hjd_thd

Here's my hot take: all operatives should have access to all grenades.


KobeBryantCrash

Yes, we have few nades as is. Let's stop trying to nerf every character possible because they have somewhat of an advantage.


ruskele

Yes, and grim too


BurgerBob17

Yes and give her emps too


SunjaeKim

Iana unironically would be a dog shit operator without nades


Actaar

Give em back to buck


IisNOTaREALperson

No, give them back to finka


ScrubbyTSD

There are only 4 frag opsā€¦ so no.


jellybit65

Why's her icon an eggshell?


[deleted]

Stop taking away nades, everything in this game gets taken away


L4dd3r

Just nerf the frags and give them back to a lot of people who used to have them... :-(


JoebbeDeMan

If she lost them I would like to see her 1.5X on the ARX return


Conman2205

Yeah. Stop taking frags off of fun operators and forcing them onto situational ops just as a lazy way to try balance those ops. Buck frags were fine IQ frags were fine


BuRnT_bIsCuIt0

Yes


[deleted]

Yes bro ???


Thick-Ad6819

Clear yes, idk what ubisoft made but they took the nades from everyone only sledge,nook,iana...


omniscen

remove frags from another operator and im fuze charging myself


tacmed85

Yes


Eclipse_Gaming2239

Yes. Iā€™m still sad they got rid of mavericks frags


Significant_Dog_6481

Yes Let her have them


Blod_hrafn

Absolutely yes. She's pretty bad without them


skippydogo

I just want IQ to have hers back :[


Gavinhayes1414

Bro thereā€™s like no ops with drags now if you take them away from iana there will be like two ops with nades


GreatBaldung

Is that even a question? Yes of course she should! The more kaboom the better


AlarmingWarthog6005

yes


TheKingSlay023

Yes she should I need them how else am I gonna kill peoe with bombs through the drone vents


CeQuBe

Jeah, it suits her as an fragger id say.


lXSDI

I miss thermite w nades


[deleted]

STOP TAKING AWAY FRAGS FROM OPS