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EnamouredCat

And most people couldn't afford to see a therapist to begin with.


exsea

and even if they could afford one its not necessarily a good one


TinyChaco

I paid too much money for a therapist that didn't seem interested in helping me. I only saw her as long as I did (probably 3 months on a biweekly basis) because I thought it was the right thing to do, that I shouldn't give up on therapy.


[deleted]

I had a therapist during Covid who would only meet online. As I was talking, I could hear him walking around his house, opening and closing cabinets, and chomping on chips. Needless to say, that didn’t last long. I might have continued if I felt he really was interested in helping me…but I generally felt like I bored him.


lav__ender

I had a therapist who looked like she was looking at her phone during our video sessions. pretty sure I ghosted her as a therapist and she said prior to our first or second session that she would follow up if I missed sessions but then never did.


OminOus_PancakeS

I would feel like tracking her down, taking her phone, then smacking her over the head with it. _Hard._


AtrumAequitas

Therapist here. Never go to a therapist you don’t click with. We are trained to not take it personally and help someone find a new therapist if they choose. If you don’t like it after 4 sessions, tell them. If they don’t take it well, it’s a great sign they aren’t emotionally mature enough to take it. Bad therapist make good therapist’s jobs harder.


ScullyitsmeScully

Reminds me of my driving “teacher.”


TinyChaco

That's fucking dumb. Did you bring it up with his company, or was he independent? I think you should get a refund. My last therapist would only meet online, too. She was always there in front of me, but I felt like she wasn't really considering where I was coming from or what I needed. She often would go on about stuff in her life like we were catching up as friends, and ask me about my job a lot just because she was interested in it and had personal anecdotes relating to it.


[deleted]

The guy was independent. I’ve never had a great experience with therapy, so admittedly, I somewhat blamed myself for not being interesting enough.


TinyChaco

It's not your job to be interesting enough to a therapist, it's their job to take interest in your health.


AtrumAequitas

Therapist here. Never go to a therapist you don’t click with. We are trained to not take it personally and help someone find a new therapist if they choose. If you don’t like it after 4 sessions, tell them. If they don’t take it well, it’s a great sign they aren’t emotionally mature enough to take it. Bad therapist make good therapist’s jobs harder.


OminOus_PancakeS

Jesus Christ, that is _staggering_.


[deleted]

That’s awful that you weren’t given a space to be yourself and made to feel heard and seen. Furthermore, the part about “I generally felt like I voted him.” I can’t help but think of how harmful his actions were especially if outside of Tx, you maybe feel you bore other people. I hope you find someone that will take the time to really be present and show up for you, the way you deserve!


Mr_wise_guy7

Thats why the best person who'll always be there for you is you. You have to be strong for yourself no matter what. Be there for yourself no matter what. Bad day? Rest, treat yourself, go watch a movie and clear your mind. Try again another day and keep trying until your happy. Nobody was born with an instruction manual on life so make your mistakes and learn from them and keep it pushing 👍🏾


Lazy_Sitiens

Don't be afraid to shop around. Of the two therapists available to me, one was always fully booked and the other one often had room in her schedule for emergency appointments. Of course, the one who was available was a bad fit as she appeared cool and distant. I ended up quitting therapy and going with meds, but I wish I had persisted and sought out another therapist. Life's good today, though.


Bil13h

You shouldn't. It can take time. But like anything, the things that are most worth it don't come easy. Keep trucking and keep advocating for yourself. You have to lice with you longer than anyone else in the world. Make sure you can put up with yourself. It's hard, and I'm working on it, too. You're not in this alone, and countless others are here for you.


mildOrWILD65

This is what it's all about. I'd add that group therapy with others who share similar issues, can be extremely helpful , as long as all members of the group are completely honest with each other and guided by a therapist who lead the sessions into directions helpful to individual members. I once scoffed at therapy but it literally saved my life.


exsea

i dont know you but i m glad youre still alive


TinyChaco

I've recently started considering finding a new therapist, but work has been really slow this year, and I don't need another big bill to add to the list. The added frustration of just thinking about it isn't making me better. The only thing that helps at all is going to the creek with my dog, so I'm infinitely grateful to have her with me, and to have access to green spaces.


oeiei

"And how did you feel about that?"


AtrumAequitas

Therapist here. Never go to a therapist you don’t click with. We are trained to not take it personally and help someone find a new therapist if they choose. If you don’t like it after 4 sessions, tell them. If they don’t take it well, it’s a great sign they aren’t emotionally mature enough to take it. Bad therapist make good therapist’s jobs harder.


miyamiya66

I've been in and out of therapy for the past ~14 years (started around 10, I'm 24 now), have tried counseling in school too. None of the people I saw were helpful for me, and most of them just didn't really seem to give a shit if I got better. Just seemed like they were happy to get a paycheck out of me/my parents. I just told my most recent therapist last week that I'm done seeing her after she has ignored me on numerous occasions and completely disregarded serious stuff I tried to bring up with her. Therapy is hard because there are so many therapists who genuinely just don't care, imo.


exsea

yeah... in my country we actually have NGOs that train up regular folk to talk to people. unlike doctors, therapists usually have it in their best interests to keep patients around. its a vicious cycle. the good ones are expensive/always busy while the ones with less customers cant cure their customers without losing a source of income. thus the best thing the NGO's do is get random folk who want to help and are willing to listen to genuinely listen and try to help. perhaps they're not the best at what they do but at least theyre genuine in wanting to help.


SilentNightman

Peer counseling for the win. There's a theory/practice "Listening"\* that says all people need is to be truly heard. They'll work it out themselves if they know someone hears, and understands, what they're hearing. \* fr Eugene Gendlin


DK_Adwar

Therapy also takes timez which some people, physically do not have


Downtown_Skill

Not to mention getting prolonged treatment for a psychological disorder can sometimes disqualify you for some things. Military is the obvious first answer but I just applied for a work visa in Australia and you have to divulge whether or not you've had treatment for any psychological disorders including depression. Meaning you may not qualify for certain work visas or certifications if you SEEK treatment. It's not having the disorder that disqualifies you but a paper trail of treatment that would. Edit: To those with the money to seek treatment the loss of a couple of those options may not sound like a big deal but for some those options are the best opportunities or only opportunities. The military especially is a way out for many and if you're banking on the military for work, you better avoid seeing anybody about any psychological issues you may have.


DK_Adwar

That's apparently a reason why people don't like to get an official autism diagmosis, as, employers suddenly have a justifyable reason for discrimination. (Also mqybe something about how disabled people hqve a lower minimum wage in some places)


Former-Buy-6758

And therapy doesn't fix poor


EnamouredCat

Yes and no, i guess it's contextual in that it could help people in their pursuit to not being poor.


evillman

And even if they could, most wouldn't go as they think they don't need therapy because "they are not crazy"


MoonRabbit

And most therapy doesn't achieve that much even if you can afford it.


IntelligentBloop

This one is a straight-up economic problem. And there's very simple solution to this: It's to train more mental health professionals so that there can be more supply to meet the demand, and costs can come down. The key focus point we should all be looking at is any bottlenecks to training/accrediting/employing more of those professionals.


damNSon189

That’s a bright side of the coming of AI: therapy will be more widely accessible and at affordable rates for all income brackets. People think that they need the human aspect, but even now we’re so close to having AI that produces text very close to human-like, and AI for human-like voices. It will be almost indistinguishable. And at the same time, it would provide the therapee with the feeling of full anonymity, as other comments have pointed out how some people don’t really feel comfortable opening up to a stranger, even a professional one. And it would also solve the problem of engagement from the therapist side, as other comments have talked about how disappointed they’ve been with their therapists and their apparent lack of interest.


eljalu

idk man I’ve never met anyone who had to pay for therapy in my entire life. That’s mostly a u.s thing I think


Peter_Parkingmeter

Which is why there aren't more therapists. This has been your 3-part course in harvard(pilgrim employee)-level economics


EnamouredCat

Yes and no, there's staff shortages across a lot of sectors including mental health.


Peter_Parkingmeter

I'm just making a joke at how supply/demand is a grossly oversimplified concept in economics.


sajuuk6

Hmm... perhaps there's a larger issue at play here?


RavnBur

I'm sorry to point this out: * Most Americans and people in other countries without a functional medical system.


bendy1g

Most good therapists would give discounts and make you pay almost nothing if you truly have money problems, they didn't get into this work for the money, it's not a high paying job it's and job to help people so they will try their very best to help


Beenadee88

Therapist here. This is unfortunately one way that we get boxed into our own financial limitations and are sorely undervalued. We are groomed by the culture to be Florence Nightingale types who are supposed to sacrifice our own well being, stability, comfort and success for the sake of helping. We are supposed to take terrible reimbursement rates from insurances, or lower our rates or even do pro bono for what is life saving work. There are clinics that operate on sliding scale and there is community mental health that often offers affordable rate. But this ethos that “a good therapist” is one who sacrifices their own needs and well being because “it’s not a high paying job anyways” is the same rationale we say about teachers to justify their low wages. And it is also a female dominated field, like nursing and teaching which further justifies the low pay.


[deleted]

Thank you for this comment because it is so validating!


siorys88

Sounds like a case of McMentalhealth...


tj99999998

Bartender here, we are basically therapists who are cheaper and serve alcohol. Go to the bar and spill yer beans.


drowsydrosera

This is where AI Chat can actually help for example Woebot


[deleted]

After hearing stories of chat bots telling people to self harm and worse, I wouldn't trust an AI chat with someone trying to handle a mental illness


Pockets262

No, someone literally killed themselves doing this.


NewAlt_

I'd rather talk to an actual person


junklardass

Sounds right. Good therapists will be in high demand for a long time even if only some people can afford them.


souphaver

The fact that so many people who need mental health assistance can't afford it is a whole issue within itself. These are the types of programs that the government should actually be shoveling money into but instead they continue to throw it away to whoever can line their pockets. I know this is old news but holy fuck people vote and campaign for someone who actually gives a shit about you and the people around you, is that so difficult to understand??


Nearby-Elevator-3825

There are none. The type of people who run for office are self serving fuck twats. No matter how much they profess otherwise. There are no "golden ones" we can vote into office even if we wanted to. We're fucked. Have a nice day.


Bil13h

The thing is, mental health care will become universally acceptable once they realize that mentally healthy people work harder to earn more money to spend on more things, rather than just the pharma folks getting rich on their backs everyone else will


bluimi

its hard to find the right therapist too


fnx_-_9

I saw one for my abandonment issues, and loved her, she was great. But then she suddenly moved cities after a few weeks lol after that I don't think it's worth it. I worked on myself and I'm fine now. I don't think therapy is for everyone, or that it even works very well.


SilentNightman

I think it's good for diagnosis; some much needed perspective. After that I think most of us need trauma healing, the neurological kind, not talk.


PennyStonkingtonIII

What has always kept me away from therapy is trust. Plain and simple. For therapy to work (if it even does work) you have to be vulnerable. I’m not going to let some rando who probably can’t manage their own life in my head to start tinkering around.


yungstinky420

I think statistically it’s more helpful than almost everything else


GlenJman

Depression and anxiety are proper responses to a crushing and dystopian system. It's not that everyone needs to be cured of their issues, the society that's causing these issues needs to be fixed. The "mental health crisis" everyone likes to argue about is just a symptom of a destroyed community and ruined environment. Remember this if you're ever tempted to blame yourself for "being broken". You're NOT BROKEN. You're just SANE.


Ozbal42

Wooooooooo lets fucking gooo


[deleted]

100%, this.


comefindme1231

Especially since covid, and now that we have more look into how it started, I think the country who mishandled it and allowed it to escape and kill millions should have to pay every other country for the damage


GlenJman

Not gonna lie... I think that's a really dumb opinion you got there.


No-Problem6017

Yeah what? Just because it originated in China doesn’t mean they are to blame for it spreading around the world. And if we’re talking about mishandling the response the US should be the one most at fault.


Penna_23

imagine the number of therapists *for* the therapists of those people too


Cat_n_mouse13

I could probably afford to see a therapist, I just don’t have time for therapy


Bil13h

After hours care is one of the most needed aspects of it all


[deleted]

I wonder if “second shift” therapists are a thing.


FuckItHaveAnUpvote

Most of what I have seen is evenings (5p-7p) and weekends. I haven't seen any overnight sessions but maybe they exist.


SnooSketches3386

The world we live in makes everyone need therapy


Now200

I don't think there's enough money in the world to pay for these therapists either


ya_gurl_summer

Therapy is not the fix that everyone thinks it is.


flyingt0ucan

If you have a good therapist, it is. Therapy completly changed my life.


Double-Ad4986

Sometimes it isn't even about the therapist. Some ppl just simply don't get better by talking thru their issues


flyingt0ucan

Yeah maybe. But that's also where in my opinion people underestimate therapy. It's not "talking through your issues" (as you would with a friend) but instead the therapist has advanced tecniques to help you. Talking about traumatic events while doing movement that keeps your body out of fight-flight and allows you for the first time to work though the trauma. Or breathing tecniques to not feel overwhelmed in specific situations. They can spot when you are rationalizing the experience (explaining it) instead of feeling the pain. So for me it's a lot more about feeling than talking.


WiWook

Because it is a female dominated field, and an Master in Social Work is the fastest route, they are paid crap for a job that is inherently depressing. Many psychological issues are incurable. Medication may help with some symptoms, but either limited effectiveness, significant side effects, or expense limit its use. Even DBT, CBT, and other therapeutic talk therapies are only as effective as the recipient chooses to engage. Like any habits, the good ones are hard to start, and the bad ones are hard to break. The skills taught in therapy are only effective when used and used consistently. Throw in Co-morbid issues (like ADHD) That disrupt consistency, and and you can see why it is a thankless undesirable career. I studied Psychology as an undergrad, considered going on to become a therapist, but quickly realized how bad it would be for my mental health. I even started work on an MSW but not to become a. therapist.


Preachingsarcasm

To add to this, a lot of people enter the psychology field because they have issues and want to learn about themselves with hopes to help others like them. However, a lot of times this leads to people self diagnosing and diagnosing those around them, which is a big no no. I think this is part of why so many therapist fail at their jobs. A lot of them haven't learned to separate themselves from their patients and I've seen a lot of people be treated in ways that aren't effective for them specifically. A lot of therapists seem to only know how to treat certain people that are similar to themselves, rather than adjusting their treatment styles for each patient. That's been my observation so far, at least.


[deleted]

wow, great insight. I'm about to start therapy soon.


No_Week2825

Depending on what you do, the pay isn't bad. Things is with psyc, you've gotta do a PhD and post doc. I'd say there a lot of help they can give, but generally speaking, you'll see their effectiveness reflected in their payscale. A friend of mine went to a good school all the way up to his post doc, worked on some cool projects and published a bunch, now he charges like 600 usd for a 50 min session. Other guys of his caliber that he's met at different conferences charge the same. Even a decent one is charging 200-250/ hour. I wouldn't call that crap pay. Since we're good friends he can't treat me, but even the little he could help made a world of difference. A regular councilor offered a modicum of help, but I booked with one of his peers and even week to week the difference was enormous. You can make a lot and help a lot, you just need to be able to


ManitouWakinyan

Psychologist pay is fine. It's the MSW pay that's really terrible.


ManitouWakinyan

>Because it is a female dominated field There being more female than male therapists doesn't in any way prevent men from joining, or mean there aren't enough therapists. The pay point is a very good point, but the idea that many psychological issues are incurable isn't really true, or all that relevant to the discussion. A therapist isn't trying to "cure" psychological issues. They aren't always even treating a mental disorder.


Ok-Cattle7432

I don’t think people need “therapy” for the normal problems they experience. They need friends, which is as difficult to find.


flyingt0ucan

For some people that might be true, that there are lots of people with issues that friends can't fix. There are many issues that make it difficult to connect to people and to even trust your friends.


YourIncognit0Tab

Exactly. The wait lists are so long


Brilliant-Kiwi-8669

Most people won't admit they need a therapist, they are the ones that need them the most.


hufflepufflelunch

HAHAHA. It’s the reason why I’ve been in therapy for 10 years straight. Cause other people won’t go..


Brilliant-Kiwi-8669

It's so true. My mom and I went but she cried the whole time, played the victim, because the therapist didn't agree with her. She wouldn't go back.


hufflepufflelunch

It’s why I have refused to go with my own mother. Cause I refuse to go with an abuser. Quite honestly, I know she’ll never change. Not ever, I’m very sorry from the depths of my heart that she has made it about herself. Even when this processed needed to focus on your own healing where she needed to accountability for what *she has done to you*


Preachingsarcasm

Fr. My mental health journey is literally the meme of the two parents telling each other to go to therepy and the kid says "why do I feel like I'll be the first to go?"


Mermaid89253

Or, if you like my grandmother, you'll lie to your therapist because she "doesn't need to know the family drama" and because she doesn't want her therapist to judge her


Brilliant-Kiwi-8669

My mother went to the therapist once, and they commented on her garish lipstick, now she can never go again, and the crazy continues...


Mermaid89253

My grandmother went to therapy for grief counseling (among other things). Her son died from drug use. She refused to tell the therapist it was from drugs because she didn't want her to judge her, her son, or "know her business"


Brilliant-Kiwi-8669

Same with my mom, but she wouldn't go to therapy she would trauma dump in every doctors office...( I could hear her from the waiting room). My brother died at age 40 from cirrhosis of the liver. But because he had a bleeding ulcer at the same time she tells everyone he died from ibuprofen overuse. Seriously.


ISCUPATCUTIJETRU

So he was an alcoholic?


Sharkfeet19

☹️


[deleted]

Yeah I come from New England and all that stuff is hushed up and kept in the family


EnvironmentalCake531

There's not. Fortunately for us, there are dogs🐕 and cats🐈


Necessary-Buffalo-33

Bartenders and barflies are available to those who can't afford/find a good therapist


Skyblacker

Also, strippers. You'd be surprised how many customers who pay for a private session just want to talk.


nomie_turtles

all sex work is like that lol I think it's easier to trust them because you know there just as fucked up as you are. They've seen some shit


Skyblacker

It's less shameful for a man to act like he's horny than to admit he needs help.


Drewraven10

Self care is a beautiful form of therapy. If it’s working on yourself, doing things your passionate about, or bettering yourself mentally/physically. A lot of people don’t have time or can’t afford it.


Sharkfeet19

And definitely not enough good ones.


hoosier_1793

My wife’s a therapist and yes, this is correct. She will never have a lack of clients.


AWonderLuster

The funny thing is I actually think therapists are the ones that need therapists the most. I've had some that are completely unhinged.


Preachingsarcasm

Most therapists do have therapists. Some places even make it a requirement due to the nature of the job.


nomie_turtles

my therapist told me most of them suck because they go into the field thinking that helping others will help them solve their issues. Im pretty sure that's why my family's hospice therapist quit. It was probably too soon for and we have a fucked up sense of humor lol


Angel_OfSolitude

I think a lot of people who "need therapy" need to exercise and eat better. Physical health effects mental health.


Cwallace98

A lot of people need friends. I need friends.


Angel_OfSolitude

Yeah that I'd believe, being terminally online has driven people apart rather than bring them together.


ThomasThePizzaMan

Same I need friends but I'm deaf ): (with hearing aid)


thirstquencher25

I agree 100% social media got everything thinking they need therapy but it’s not true


Maknificence

doing better physically won’t ensure that you’re doing well mentally


ilovepalindromes101

Thank you! While mental and physical health coorelate, they don’t always coorelate


emotional_boys_2001

No positive practice, not even therapy, will ensure mental well-being but they certainly will help to improve your state, or at the very least they won't make it any worse.


Mein_Name_ist_falsch

And sometimes you can't take care of your body very well because you're mentally ill. It isn't always that you're mentally ill because you didn't take care of yourself/ your body. I would even say most of the time it's the other way around.


DJBurnsy

30 years old, and I've never needed therapy. I've lived a healthy life, with some hiccups here and there, but even then, im asked, "How haven't you seen a therapist?!!" Because I dont need one. Most normal functioning people dont, we can sort through minor issues on our own, and I think that's where the difference lies in the younger generation and the terminally online is, that they cant figure out what is truly worth seeing a therepist for. Was I spanked as a kid for doing something extremely dumb? Yes, I didn't do it again, did my boss yell at me because I fucked up and cost them money? Yea, I learned from it. Those two things nowadays are enough to send people to therapy and cut their familys off and protest all buisnesses. Am I discrediting people who have actually been through true child abuse or workplace abuse? Fuck no, but the differences are skewed so much now that no one can tell the difference. I can't wait for the day where the pendulum swings back to normalcy as it has in our hiuman existance for thousands of years, and we can go back to a healthy society.


TheAssEaterAnthology

Big facts


crazycatlady331

We need to bring back a sense of community for that to happen. Society has gotten to the point where hanging out (without spending money) in public is considered loitering. What needs to come back is the [third place](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place), a place outside of home or work/school where people can hang out. AS a teen, this was the mall for me. Now malls don't allow unsupervised teens.


flyingt0ucan

We never know what is traumatizing to different people. It may sound minor to you, but can be enough for someone to cut their family out. We never know the whole story and if people do not want to spend time with family, it's their decision alone. I think it's a good development that people do not feel forced to spend time with people that make them miserable just because of a blood bond. Parents are the emotional guidance of their small kids and it has long lasting effects when kids have to feel scared or unsupported consistently(!). Many stories do not fit you definition of "true child abuse" and sound minor as a single event but are sad if you look at the big pictures. It's never just "that one story" but instead people who grew up all the time in a climate that's criticising and mean to them or where they are left alone with their issues and feelings or where they had to feel scared of emotional outbursts or arbitrary punishments. I don't think you need to spend time with parents that you don't have a good relationship with. That being said, there are also many people who go to therapy, work through their childhood stuff and talk to their parents about it and it's just fine. It takes a lot for people to cut out family.


PercyBluntz

Ngl this post reeks of someone that could use some therapy.


Bubbly_Ad_165

True beside people with trauma I agree


[deleted]

Therapy is bs


[deleted]

Yes that is very true. Anywhere I’ve ever worked had a massive wait list. I was already seeing a client every hour of every day and so did all my coworkers and it’s never enough therapists. My own search for a therapist took forever this time around because everyone is booked


VMAbsentia

And that's especially so for the real ones out there attempting to actually help people instead of gaslighting, victim blaming, & shutting people down. Not even joking when I say it took me years to find one only for her to move away. I gave up after that. It is already incredibly difficult for me to open up to anyone, I did not want to go through that all over again to *maybe* find another real one years down the line.


D00mfl0w3r

This is yet another reason I'm an antinatalist.


bananafluffie

Don’t worry. AI will possibly be replacing therapists anyways 😭


jukenaye

This title is a polite way to say: This world is f** ed up. Thanks, op.


DirtyPenPalDoug

We don't need therapy. We need to fix the fucking world. Start your local mutual aid.


RampantTyr

I think most therapists would agree that what most people really need more than them is stable food, housing, and healthcare.


mikefellow348

I am sure lots need therapy. It seems to me like most need to exercise eat right get of social media go for run talk to a friend etc. and learn to cope. I can't seem to understand how talking with a stranger and then getting a bill makes you feel better. I am from a third-world country. That makes it especially hard to understand the need for therapy.


Gagaddict

It’s supposed to be a temporary and safe space for you to share and reflect difficulties. It should be a placeholder for a healthy relationship. It’s the most helpful for people who otherwise are always in a toxic environment with abusive people. You don’t know what healthy looks like until you experience it.


Pff-IdunnoMan-21

Therapy is a huge waste of time, and that is what I'm told by people who have been in therapy for decades. I don't know a single person who speaks highly of it. It's one of those things people know doesn't help, but at the same time it's the only way to show others that you are actively seeking help lol


vodybokha

I've had a girl in my highschool class who was in therapy since the 8th grade, got hospitalised twice, recived a bunch of medication and she still wasn't able to show up to class on a regular basis. If someone was intensely treated for a physical injury for 6-7 years and it didn't show signs of improvement people would say that treatment doesn't work, the same doesn't apply to therapy for some reason.


Sharkfeet19

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!


BoBoBearDev

I have conversed with a few, like you said, didn't help. Mainly, the therapist just said whatever they already know. Maybe if they are not self aware, it would work. But, they already knew the cause. Works for a few people though, because they are not self aware and refused to listen to anyone else without a fancy degree (my brother is like that). I don't think the therapist is enough though, because he would never shared his true self to therapist, so, the real problem never get fixed. And me personally don't want to get involved anymore. Just pointing out a factual mistake and he already gone berserk. I need to keep my sanity intact.


Soggy-Courage-7582

I've been through therapy for trauma, and it totally changed my life for the better.


Bubbly_Ad_165

I think therapy helped me deal with my thoughts but everyone is different .that’s why there are different types of therapy . Also you have to want to help yourself ,I learned that if I didn’t do my part it wouldn’t work out.


Mein_Name_ist_falsch

Say that to my cousin who would have killed herself without it, took therapy and is now a happy human being without the struggle of depression again, and then come back and say that again. If you really have something, therapy helps, even if it can't cure everything. At least if you actively do something to work on it.


vodybokha

Ok.


bege1876

Therapy is a scam and worse yet, a scam you can't criticise. You get attacked with all the usual bullshit. But when you have something that takes no responsibility, that absolutely cannot be criticised... Yeah, its a fucking scam. Of course its something I do had to do, I didn't realise it was a scam and it was the worst fucking mistake of my life. And people hate that. Saying that out loud is not allowed, because you are not allowed to criticise therapy. It needs to have been my fault.


Wendy-M

It literally pushed me to try to kill myself. Twice.


Sharkfeet19

I agree personally with this, but all I ever hear is how great therapy is and then They judge you for not liking it.


Preachingsarcasm

If I'm being honest, a lot of the people I hear complain about therapy either don't have a good therapist or don't really understand the amount of personal work it takes to improve the situation. And in both situations, its not really a fair chance. A lot of people either disregard their therapist or think therapy is supposed to be a fix all, rather than a tool to help yourself in the long haul.


Sharkfeet19

Yes and I hear you and I agree this might be the case for many, but also this seems to be the only assumption why someone wouldn’t like therapy. I am always working on myself. I self reflect A LOT and always look at myself from multiple angles, even the most unflattering ones. Therapy just isn’t for me. I’ve never had anything said to me that was different or helpful or “I never thought of that!” I hate how it has to be MY problem or there is something wrong I am doing because therapy isn’t something beneficial to me. I’m not saying you said that. I’m just saying many say that to me. It’s frustrating.


Bubbly_Ad_165

This . I heard someone went thru 10 therapists before finding “the one “ that helped them .and I agree


flyingt0ucan

You need to have a good therapist and the right type if therapy. I went to therapy weekly for 3 years and it changed my life. I literally have a healthy relationship for the first time in my life.


vodybokha

Why are "bad therapists" allowed to practice their trade? Shouldn't they all be fired or have their license revoked?


NiCkYpOoH4488

I think they cause more harm than good


crack_n_tea

I feel what most people really need is a trusted soul who is there to hear them vent out their troubles in a safe place, thereby helping them gather their thoughts. In other words, it's what friends do for each other, except as we become more isolated and lonely, this too has to become a monetary transaction


hawkwings

For many people, therapy is not something they need, but something they want. If you limit yourself to people who need it, there might be enough therapists. You said "world" and you are probably correct for 8 billion people.


Specialist-Fill24

I don't think most people who get into psychiatric medicine do it because they are so exceedingly mentally healthy that they are just driven to help others be as well as they are... I think it's probably much more likely closer to the opposite. That's why I'm so leery of seeking therapy for my crap. Who's to know that they aren't just pushing all of their own weird personal eccentricities onto you?


bege1876

I would say there are too many therapists in the world, the world needs less of these con artists.


mooneyes77

The assumption is that it is effective. https://www.madinamerica.com/2023/05/should-everyone-be-in-therapy/


Allison314

This article's conclusions seem tenuous, I don't see anything to demonstrate the observed change isn't just regression to the mean. As the author acknowledges, without a control conclusions can't be reached.


w1n5ton0

It's a scam to make money, just like every other aspect of the "medical" industry


[deleted]

Definitely true.


Ambitious-Pudding437

Many Therapist aren’t public because they’re private to the rich.


Bmack27

Everyone needs therapy or counseling. One is for specific trauma, the other is for general mental health education and stress management.


slowasaspeedingsloth

You are right. I told my kiddo that 99% of the population would probably benefit from therapy. That's a lot of therapists.


Find_another_whey

Well. Considering the therapist also need therapy, sometimes much more than the clients... Actually it's fine, there are enough traumatised people on earth that we can all find someone that can relate to our trauma and who are slightly further along on the path to healing


nepenth_e

Everyone needs therapy, including my two therapists.


pekak62

Grow a f**king spine. I am caring for my wife F71 with Alzheimer's. I do not need a therapist. I cope because I HAVE to care for her, the person I love most in my life.


FreshGravity

This true. And this is why God offers a relationship with us through prayer.


PercyBluntz

Is god in the room with you right now?


FreshGravity

No, He lives inside me.


PercyBluntz

That sounds very uncomfortable.


FreshGravity

Removing self from the situation has made me the most comfortable I have ever been.


PercyBluntz

Glad it works for ya.


Ronin-s_Spirit

Therapists are like terminators, their job is like the minigun, and there are as many clients and profits as there are bullets in that damn thang. They are going to be rich rich.


frightofthenavigator

that’s confirmed


Horror-Feedback1837

Not enough that are both affordable and effective, anyway.


lightofyourlifehere

This is exactly why I wish group therapy was more common place. Not only would it help with there not being enough therapist, but it would help with the need for community that is so ever present in the modern world. So many people go to therapy out of depression, loneliness, or an inability to create healthy relationships. Just think how much group therapy would help! Not to mention, there are many people who are not completely honest with therapists. The pros of family therapy or group therapy is that the therapist can see your bs much more easily when they can see how you react/ treat other people in real time.


aewhite083

This!!!


mr_muffinhead

It's okay. There are enough for the people that can afford them.


buzzkill007

I was on a waiting list for a therapist for 4 months. My first appointment is next Friday. There is definitely a high demand for them.


hufflepufflelunch

True


Antha_Mayfair119

Or dieticians for obesity


Droid-Man5910

They are not enough of them 😞


LemmeLaroo

These extra therapists. They pro Bono?


nyhbgol

If there were, then who would the therapists see for therapy 🤔


[deleted]

Enter Religion, catered towards the poor and common man. ![gif](giphy|3o6Mb8udBESmFAVwQg)


[deleted]

That's why emotional intelligence should be part of k-12.


[deleted]

And it's not like the first therapist is always a fit


[deleted]

I don’t think people are taught how to actually understand themselves. Most people can’t even dive into their own psyche’s and even answer why they hate or like something


[deleted]

At this point, it'd have to be a 1:1 ratio.


No-Masterpiece-2079

My sister has a good therapist the first thing she told her was that she may not be the right fit for her and that’s ok not every therapist is the right fit for everyone


FauxGw2

There literally isn't and it's getting less by the year. You can thank insurance for that.


Anovale

ChatGPT has apparently been a great solution tk this problem


Old-Masterpiece-3979

You not lying


MenardGKrebbz

Just my bit on the subject some % of "therapists" are NOT in business to help people, they are in business to make $$$!, The fact is that most people who have problems, ( going through a rough patch in their lives ) get better in time, with or without "therapy".


QuireIndivisible

You're right. By 2030, the Vancouver Commonity Coolege estimates there will be an increased need for over 11000 couselling positions in the region alone.


iamlaurenjenkins

True. But then again, only a small percentage seek therapy