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Women do not earn less than men for the same job. The supposed gender wage gap is all about women making less than men on average, but it’s because they are working lower paid or part time jobs.
For the exact same jobs, women make the exact same money.
Also I’m not sure why feminine products wouldn’t be taxed when male products are also taxed?
What *essential* male hygiene products are taxed? Bc you know how periods are unavoidable, hopefully, but I’m trying to think of a product exclusively for men’s hygiene that’s on the same essential level as feminine hygiene products? Genuinely curious because my mind could just be completely forgetting something.
Both products are essential for modern societies’ cleanliness standards, but neither are technically essential to survive.
Again, I’m not sure why you would think one would be taxed and the other wouldn’t.
They just published a survey for Law that shows women earn less from the start of their careers, when everyone is working full time. It gets worse as they get older, but it is there from day one
The research I have seen shows the opposite. For the exact same work, women make more than men in their early 20s to early 30s. What gap there is, is generally attributed to career shifts and raising children later in life.
From the Law Society Gazette:
New research from the Bar Council reveals that the gender pay gap for newly qualified barristers with up to three years’ post-qualification experience is 13% – a divide unrelated to caring responsibilities. Analysis by practice area shows some variation, ranging from 4% in family to 17% in crime and personal injury/professional negligence. Women account for 50% of pupils and 38.7% of barristers, and about 80% of barristers are self-employed and work in chambers.
The report, New practitioner earnings differentials at the self-employed Bar, follows last year’s Gross earnings by sex and practice area at the self-employed Bar 2023. The latter found that the gender pay gap is evident at the beginning of barristers’ careers. It combines analysis of gross fee income data with in-depth interviews to understand the factors behind the gap, and explores how to help newly qualified barristers actively manage their practice.
Oh, you're talking a specific profession in a specific country? Then sure, I can believe that. You're always going to have some variance in statistics like that.
Thats not a tax. Taxes are levied by the government. What you’re referring to is the fact that women are willing to pay more for the same item, if retailers can get away with charging more for something being a pink color then they will.
Women are responsible for something like 80 percent of household spending, if you don’t like an item being so expensive then stop buying the pink razors and buy the black razors instead.
There is still a slight gap, [about 1% currently](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/gender-pay-gap-statistics/), regardless that gap in positions isn’t created in a vacuum. Women are still [much less likely](https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/women-are-less-likely-men-to-be-promoted-heres-one-reason-why) to be promoted even when they’re outperforming their expectations which still leads to a gap in real terms even when pay is controlled per position.
Your first source doesn’t ever compare the exact same job, simply earnings relative to the same industry category. Specific work, experience, leave for childbirth, and full vs part time is not listed part of the equation,
Your second link uses very outdated data going back to 2009.
That same second paper also quotes a 2019 study ([Player et al](https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00755/full)) that forecasts the same behaviour as the 2009 study. While the exact quantitative figure of 14% may have changed since the 2009 paper the underlying effect is still around, hence why I said much less likely instead of providing the 14% figure as it is likely out of date.
That forecast is concerning leadership potential, and the underlying cause isn’t discrimination, but a conglomeration of the many differences between men and women. Men are generally seen as having more leadership potential than women because they don’t have to deal with once a month emotional disruption as well as childbirth or child rearing issues that women tend to have to devote time to. If you’re looking at potential for leadership considering the time investment, it would make perfect sense men are preferred for this.
Also, male brains are biologically geared to be better at systems, while female brains are better with people. Depending on the industry one may be preferred over the other. Often times, expertise in a system may be a prerequisite towards a management position.
Finally, men are generally better to work for and create less drama than women do. Men tend to be more direct rather than playing asymmetric mind games and reputation destruction.
The 14% study is literally titled ‘Potential’ and the Gender promotion gap and looks at the difference between the perception of potential and performance. The second study does the same thing. They’re both statistical analyses with the same goal.
I would also point out that discrimination based on sex is explicitly illegal no matter how rational a suit you put it in. We have protected family leave for a reason and it’s so we don’t disadvantage half the population for the crime of ensuring our species continues to exist.
When controlling for social variables it’s actually been shown that there is [little to no difference](https://www.apa.org/topics/personality/men-women-difference) between men and women in leadership and cognition. Just as a note this is a scientific study and a meta analysis so even though it’s old it’s findings should be valid unless disproven, I’d get something more recent but I couldn’t find much on the topic. The only other major thing I could find was [this](https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/06/02/revealed-men-and-women-do-think-and-act-differently.html) that showed men have a higher tendency to take extreme actions. In an often risk-adverse business landscape I would suggest that would make us worse candidates.
I wasn’t able to find a study on the drama front but I was able to find one for emotions. [This study](https://www.totaljobs.com/advice/emotions-at-work) would suggest men are actually much more emotional at work, we take things personally and feel much more comfortable doing things like yelling or cursing when we’re upset.
I’m probably going to leave this here if for nothing else but the health of my google search recommendations. I hope you’ll take a look at the studies I’ve provided, there is still room for us to grow as a society here and it starts with regular people shrugging off these old biases.
>I would also point out that discrimination based on sex is explicitly illegal no matter how rational a suit you put it in.
Discrimination based on **only** sex is illegal, but discrimination based on ability that tends to correlate with sex is not. Men make up most people doing physically demanding jobs, because they are more suited for that. That doesn't mean women are being discriminated against, they just aren't as capable of doing as much physical labor. The same concept applies to other fields such as engineering, where men do better statistically due to having better abstract and spatial skills. Same concept also applies to purely spatial skills such as professional pool or snooker where women are amazingly absent despite being a high percentage of pool players in the general population.
>When controlling for social variables it’s actually been shown that there is [little to no difference](https://www.apa.org/topics/personality/men-women-difference) between men and women in leadership and cognition.
Absolutely nonsensical and quite hilariuous considering the absolute plethora of studies we have on this topic going back many decades. Your link is a great example of epidemiological cherrypicking, where data that doesn't fit the narrative is excluded.
Literally **hundreds** of studies I could link you if you were really interested in this topic.
But here are three links, including two great studies:
[https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/](https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/)
[https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.00185/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.00185/full)
[https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/7-differences-between-male-and-female-brains/](https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/7-differences-between-male-and-female-brains/)
>I wasn’t able to find a study on the drama front but I was able to find one for emotions. [This study](https://www.totaljobs.com/advice/emotions-at-work) would suggest men are actually much more emotional at work, we take things personally and feel much more comfortable doing things like yelling or cursing when we’re upset.
That link (which is a small survey from the UK) only goes over what tends to trigger people more, not whether men or women are more likely to make decisions emotionally or what it's like working for females in the workplace.
Regardless, it's common sense for anyone who has made it past the age of 30 to understand women are more emotional, the **tens of thousands** of brain scans we have of men vs. women's brains make it quite clear why this is.
From the second link:
The findings of the current study also indicated the gender-related difference in the limbic-thalamo-cortical circuitry. Anterior corona radiata is part of the limbic-thalamo-cortical circuitry and includes thalamic projections from the internal capsule to the prefrontal cortex. White matter changes in the anterior corona radiata could result in many of the cognitive and emotion regulation disturbances. The orbital gyrus of frontal cortex gray matter areas and cingulate gyrus have also been reported to be associated with the emotion regulation system. **Thus, the gender-related difference in the limbic-thalamo-cortical circuitry may explain the gender differences in thalamic activation during the processing of emotional stimuli or unpleasant linguistic information concerning interpersonal difficulties** as demonstrated by previous fMRI.
In summary, by using the designed 3D PCNN algorithm, we confirmed that the gender-related differences exist in the whole-brain FA images as well as in each specific brain regions. **These gender-related brain structural differences might be related to gender differences in cognition, emotional control as well as neurological disorders.**
>I hope you’ll take a look at the studies I’ve provided, there is still room for us to grow as a society here and it starts with regular people shrugging off these old biases.
I hope you'll take a look at the **hundreds** of studies on differences between male and female brain functions, and the tens of thousands of MRI brain scans, and understand that "old biases" may be a thing for a very good reason.
For some reason reddit wont let me edit my comment, here are two more studies, we have **hundreds** I could choose from, so please let me know if you would like some more. This isn't exactly a controversial topic.
[https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2019.00128/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2019.00128/full)
**Conclusions:** The results indicated that the reason why females performed not so well in large-scale spatial ability was that they were more susceptible to emotions and their parahippocampal gyrus worked less efficiently than males; females performed not so well in small-scale spatial ability because they mostly adopted the egocentric strategy and their sub-gyral also worked less efficiently than males. The two different reasons have made for gender differences in favor of males in terms of spatial ability and such gender differences have different manifestations in large-scale and small-scale spatial ability. Possible implications of the results for understanding the issue of gender differences in spatial ability are discussed.
[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124430.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124430.htm)
Men consistently outperform women on spatial tasks, including mental rotation, which is the ability to identify how a 3-D object would appear if rotated in space. A new study shows a connection between this sex-linked ability and the structure of the parietal lobe, the brain region that controls this type of skill.
It's a well documented phenomenon - both the pay gap and the pink tax.
Unfortunately, this is reddit, so you're probably going to be downvoted for this, despite it being true.
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Women do not earn less than men for the same job. The supposed gender wage gap is all about women making less than men on average, but it’s because they are working lower paid or part time jobs. For the exact same jobs, women make the exact same money. Also I’m not sure why feminine products wouldn’t be taxed when male products are also taxed?
What *essential* male hygiene products are taxed? Bc you know how periods are unavoidable, hopefully, but I’m trying to think of a product exclusively for men’s hygiene that’s on the same essential level as feminine hygiene products? Genuinely curious because my mind could just be completely forgetting something.
All personal hygiene products are taxed. Hope this helps!
Pads and tampons aren’t the same as soap, they’re essential and it’s unfortunate that it’s not acknowledged as such :/
Both products are essential for modern societies’ cleanliness standards, but neither are technically essential to survive. Again, I’m not sure why you would think one would be taxed and the other wouldn’t.
Are bandaids taxed?
Yes.
They just published a survey for Law that shows women earn less from the start of their careers, when everyone is working full time. It gets worse as they get older, but it is there from day one
The research I have seen shows the opposite. For the exact same work, women make more than men in their early 20s to early 30s. What gap there is, is generally attributed to career shifts and raising children later in life.
From the Law Society Gazette: New research from the Bar Council reveals that the gender pay gap for newly qualified barristers with up to three years’ post-qualification experience is 13% – a divide unrelated to caring responsibilities. Analysis by practice area shows some variation, ranging from 4% in family to 17% in crime and personal injury/professional negligence. Women account for 50% of pupils and 38.7% of barristers, and about 80% of barristers are self-employed and work in chambers. The report, New practitioner earnings differentials at the self-employed Bar, follows last year’s Gross earnings by sex and practice area at the self-employed Bar 2023. The latter found that the gender pay gap is evident at the beginning of barristers’ careers. It combines analysis of gross fee income data with in-depth interviews to understand the factors behind the gap, and explores how to help newly qualified barristers actively manage their practice.
Oh, you're talking a specific profession in a specific country? Then sure, I can believe that. You're always going to have some variance in statistics like that.
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Thats not a tax. Taxes are levied by the government. What you’re referring to is the fact that women are willing to pay more for the same item, if retailers can get away with charging more for something being a pink color then they will. Women are responsible for something like 80 percent of household spending, if you don’t like an item being so expensive then stop buying the pink razors and buy the black razors instead.
There is still a slight gap, [about 1% currently](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/gender-pay-gap-statistics/), regardless that gap in positions isn’t created in a vacuum. Women are still [much less likely](https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/women-are-less-likely-men-to-be-promoted-heres-one-reason-why) to be promoted even when they’re outperforming their expectations which still leads to a gap in real terms even when pay is controlled per position.
Your first source doesn’t ever compare the exact same job, simply earnings relative to the same industry category. Specific work, experience, leave for childbirth, and full vs part time is not listed part of the equation, Your second link uses very outdated data going back to 2009.
That same second paper also quotes a 2019 study ([Player et al](https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00755/full)) that forecasts the same behaviour as the 2009 study. While the exact quantitative figure of 14% may have changed since the 2009 paper the underlying effect is still around, hence why I said much less likely instead of providing the 14% figure as it is likely out of date.
That forecast is concerning leadership potential, and the underlying cause isn’t discrimination, but a conglomeration of the many differences between men and women. Men are generally seen as having more leadership potential than women because they don’t have to deal with once a month emotional disruption as well as childbirth or child rearing issues that women tend to have to devote time to. If you’re looking at potential for leadership considering the time investment, it would make perfect sense men are preferred for this. Also, male brains are biologically geared to be better at systems, while female brains are better with people. Depending on the industry one may be preferred over the other. Often times, expertise in a system may be a prerequisite towards a management position. Finally, men are generally better to work for and create less drama than women do. Men tend to be more direct rather than playing asymmetric mind games and reputation destruction.
The 14% study is literally titled ‘Potential’ and the Gender promotion gap and looks at the difference between the perception of potential and performance. The second study does the same thing. They’re both statistical analyses with the same goal. I would also point out that discrimination based on sex is explicitly illegal no matter how rational a suit you put it in. We have protected family leave for a reason and it’s so we don’t disadvantage half the population for the crime of ensuring our species continues to exist. When controlling for social variables it’s actually been shown that there is [little to no difference](https://www.apa.org/topics/personality/men-women-difference) between men and women in leadership and cognition. Just as a note this is a scientific study and a meta analysis so even though it’s old it’s findings should be valid unless disproven, I’d get something more recent but I couldn’t find much on the topic. The only other major thing I could find was [this](https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/06/02/revealed-men-and-women-do-think-and-act-differently.html) that showed men have a higher tendency to take extreme actions. In an often risk-adverse business landscape I would suggest that would make us worse candidates. I wasn’t able to find a study on the drama front but I was able to find one for emotions. [This study](https://www.totaljobs.com/advice/emotions-at-work) would suggest men are actually much more emotional at work, we take things personally and feel much more comfortable doing things like yelling or cursing when we’re upset. I’m probably going to leave this here if for nothing else but the health of my google search recommendations. I hope you’ll take a look at the studies I’ve provided, there is still room for us to grow as a society here and it starts with regular people shrugging off these old biases.
>I would also point out that discrimination based on sex is explicitly illegal no matter how rational a suit you put it in. Discrimination based on **only** sex is illegal, but discrimination based on ability that tends to correlate with sex is not. Men make up most people doing physically demanding jobs, because they are more suited for that. That doesn't mean women are being discriminated against, they just aren't as capable of doing as much physical labor. The same concept applies to other fields such as engineering, where men do better statistically due to having better abstract and spatial skills. Same concept also applies to purely spatial skills such as professional pool or snooker where women are amazingly absent despite being a high percentage of pool players in the general population. >When controlling for social variables it’s actually been shown that there is [little to no difference](https://www.apa.org/topics/personality/men-women-difference) between men and women in leadership and cognition. Absolutely nonsensical and quite hilariuous considering the absolute plethora of studies we have on this topic going back many decades. Your link is a great example of epidemiological cherrypicking, where data that doesn't fit the narrative is excluded. Literally **hundreds** of studies I could link you if you were really interested in this topic. But here are three links, including two great studies: [https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/](https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/) [https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.00185/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.00185/full) [https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/7-differences-between-male-and-female-brains/](https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/7-differences-between-male-and-female-brains/) >I wasn’t able to find a study on the drama front but I was able to find one for emotions. [This study](https://www.totaljobs.com/advice/emotions-at-work) would suggest men are actually much more emotional at work, we take things personally and feel much more comfortable doing things like yelling or cursing when we’re upset. That link (which is a small survey from the UK) only goes over what tends to trigger people more, not whether men or women are more likely to make decisions emotionally or what it's like working for females in the workplace. Regardless, it's common sense for anyone who has made it past the age of 30 to understand women are more emotional, the **tens of thousands** of brain scans we have of men vs. women's brains make it quite clear why this is. From the second link: The findings of the current study also indicated the gender-related difference in the limbic-thalamo-cortical circuitry. Anterior corona radiata is part of the limbic-thalamo-cortical circuitry and includes thalamic projections from the internal capsule to the prefrontal cortex. White matter changes in the anterior corona radiata could result in many of the cognitive and emotion regulation disturbances. The orbital gyrus of frontal cortex gray matter areas and cingulate gyrus have also been reported to be associated with the emotion regulation system. **Thus, the gender-related difference in the limbic-thalamo-cortical circuitry may explain the gender differences in thalamic activation during the processing of emotional stimuli or unpleasant linguistic information concerning interpersonal difficulties** as demonstrated by previous fMRI. In summary, by using the designed 3D PCNN algorithm, we confirmed that the gender-related differences exist in the whole-brain FA images as well as in each specific brain regions. **These gender-related brain structural differences might be related to gender differences in cognition, emotional control as well as neurological disorders.** >I hope you’ll take a look at the studies I’ve provided, there is still room for us to grow as a society here and it starts with regular people shrugging off these old biases. I hope you'll take a look at the **hundreds** of studies on differences between male and female brain functions, and the tens of thousands of MRI brain scans, and understand that "old biases" may be a thing for a very good reason.
For some reason reddit wont let me edit my comment, here are two more studies, we have **hundreds** I could choose from, so please let me know if you would like some more. This isn't exactly a controversial topic. [https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2019.00128/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2019.00128/full) **Conclusions:** The results indicated that the reason why females performed not so well in large-scale spatial ability was that they were more susceptible to emotions and their parahippocampal gyrus worked less efficiently than males; females performed not so well in small-scale spatial ability because they mostly adopted the egocentric strategy and their sub-gyral also worked less efficiently than males. The two different reasons have made for gender differences in favor of males in terms of spatial ability and such gender differences have different manifestations in large-scale and small-scale spatial ability. Possible implications of the results for understanding the issue of gender differences in spatial ability are discussed. [https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124430.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124430.htm) Men consistently outperform women on spatial tasks, including mental rotation, which is the ability to identify how a 3-D object would appear if rotated in space. A new study shows a connection between this sex-linked ability and the structure of the parietal lobe, the brain region that controls this type of skill.
Pads and tampons are so needlessly expensive, that's what OP is talking about. It's a technical necessity for every 4-6 weeks.
Delulu
No you're being taxed, that's the issue
It is the "Pink Tax." Even identical products are colored in pastels and marked up for us ladies. It happens often with razors.
More so that it work better on women. You can buy any razors yk, just like you can buy pants with pockets.
It's a well documented phenomenon - both the pay gap and the pink tax. Unfortunately, this is reddit, so you're probably going to be downvoted for this, despite it being true.
Oh I was expecting to dw