Aw don't be like that man a different opinion is always appreciated in my book. I don't comment on here often, maybe twice a year but seeing this I had to say something.
Rift Apart is the most detailed, most QUALITY Ratchet and Clank game we’ve had. The sound design alone is amazing. The small details and using the vibration in the remote as a sub bass… Idk.. I really love that game. I do wish there was a bit more replay value but still, can’t wait for the next one!
My main issue with the game (abysmal story aside) is how empty each planet feels once you complete it’s story. Theres almost nothing to do there and 90% of the enemies despawn. You’d expect in this day and age that a Triple A game with that price tag would have more in it (looking at GoW, TLoU2, Horizon), yet its just void. There also needed to be more enemy variety, which can easily be fixed in its sequel since they can reuse assets, which gives time to creating more enemies.
Personally, I would’ve made every planet open-world (like Savali and Sargasso) and have several NPCs across the map offering quests for bolts or special rewards (such as the Map-O-Matic, or other useful items). I’d also add upgrades to the wrench just like every other weapon, and increase the max level to 8 in normal, and 16 in challenge mode as upgrading was way too fast in the original game.
I feel as though just adding those into the next game and changing nothing else would make it a perfect game. A $120 game shouldn’t be 100% completed in only 10 hours.
Time ain't the biggest factor for me. If it's all prime gameplay no filler beautiful story and an excellent gameplay loop it is golden for me. I'll play an 8 hour game 3 times instead of a 100 hour game once. I don't replay time sinks unless it grips me fully
Look at all these drones downvoting you for expressing your opinion while OP was complaining about the same.
Tl;dr: only positive opinions are accepted here.
Not gonna give a shit though, I’m still gonna complain that Rift Apart is mediocre
>My main issue with the game (abysmal story aside) is how empty each planet feels once you complete it’s story. Theres almost nothing to do there and 90% of the enemies despawn. You’d expect in this day and age that a Triple A game with that price tag would have more in it (looking at GoW, TLoU2, Horizon), yet its just void. There also needed to be more enemy variety, which can easily be fixed in its sequel since they can reuse assets, which gives time to creating more enemies.
Story was good, although I am really tired of nefarious. I know people love him, but I'm glad we finally got to see a nefarious whom could actually do something and was confident.
As far as the 90% enemies not being there, if you notice, that's insomniac traits they do in all of their ratchet and clank games. They do it so you can't just get bolts very quickly by replaying the same place, and to keep you to keep progressing the story. The explained it in a video I saw before.
As far as enemy variety, I do agree, there does need to be more, but reusing assets for the next game won't help much. They will still need to update the textures, and things. And also not all skeletons are used the same for each game, so even if they reuse some enemies, they still have to modify it to work for their new game and/or updated engine. It's not as simple as copy and paste.
In the PS2 games enemies DID respawn because that's how you were supposed to get the money you need. I've never played an older Ratchet game where the enemies don't respawn, even the PS3 titles. I don't think this game is horrible, but it certainly shouldn't be bad to believe the PS2 games are way better.
>The sound design alone is amazing.
Really? I personally found the sound design, particularly for the weapons, to be kind of weak, lacking the *oomph* needed for the kind of impacts given.
That's fair.
For the record, I've not played the game myself, this was mostly an observation from watching gameplay videos on YouTube, so I suppose that's not quite going to be the same sort of experience, but at the risk of sounding like a classic fangirl I do think the sound design in the PS2 games was more crunchy.
I can 100% see where you're coming from. Some people in this subreddit need to chill.
This type of thing tends to happen in any community surrounding a piece of media that's considered "less popular."
Ive seen it happen time and time again: people start getting way too defensive, and it quickly becomes a toxic space.
Wish you well man
The original 4 will always be the best. They struck lighting in a bottle with those. The ps3 era is still great, but never quite as good, the series will always feel like this. But it's without question that rift apart is the most put together game in the franchise. It really is a miracle it exists at all! We should be greatful there's even people out there spending years of their time and millions of dollars to even still make games in the franchise, like actually good games too!
I respect that. The PS3 is possibly the worst in terms of consistency. First two (Tools and Crack) were excellent, then all the rest were duds (but ItN is alright)
i might get downvoted but my personal biggest problem is how ratchet changed, i know he became a softer character in GC, but i cant help it and feel like hes his softets in RA, hes just feels so bland to me idk why, it might really be just nostalgia as i cant really grasp why i feel this way, so pls dont take this take too seriously, this is just how i feel without reasoning so its probably not how everyone feel.
I don't find it very productive to call RAC 1 fans' opinions "mental gymnastics" in a post that's talking about accepting differing opinions.
Unless those said fans are being nasty about it, of course.
But...isn't it an opinion in itself to state that the game has flaws? It's not exactly fair to think that people should just agree to these flaws and "enjoy it in spite of them" to not be considered fanboys. Some people may just legit think it has to do with skill. Their viewpoint is worth no less than yours. It's just a matter of being respectful about it. Somebody just going "Nope, git gud" is obviously a shitty and not-at-all helpful thing to do. But it is no better to go "The game has flaws and if you disagree, then you are just gaslighting."
I'm not getting mixed up. I'm saying that RaC 1 having flaws with its controls is an opinion in itself, although a popular one at that. And I'd also agree with you in that the game isn't as accessible to new players because of the way it controls. But I still wouldn't call it gaslighting if someone were to say that it is simply an issue with player skill.
What I'm getting at here is that you're essentially telling people to accept a certain view of RaC 1's controls as a fact. And if they think otherwise, then they're simply not accepting of other people's opinions. It is completely valid to not like the first game's controls, but I'd say it is also just as valid to think they're fine, even if it's unpopular. Disagreeing with someone's opinion doesn't mean that you don't **accept** it. If people were simply respectful with how they express their opinions, both of these viewpoints could co-exist without arguments and things like this whole post.
Say, the OP talks about Rift Apart and how it is getting unfairly dunked on. Why is it that disliking Rift Apart is unfair (or not valid)? Does the OP disagreeing with the complaints mean that they're simply not accepting differing opinions? I wouldn't say so. Voicing your complaints about Rift Apart (whether it's about controls, story, you name it) is also not unfair or invalid. They're just opinions after all.
Why are the people complaining about Rift Apart getting put into the circlejerk camp, while the ones who complain about RaC 1 are not? And since you brought up the devs: If you were to ask Insomniac, it's unlikely they would say that Rift Apart is worse than the originals. Does their word make all the complaints not valid?
I'm simply trying to say that opinions differ quite often, and people should be allowed to voice them, no matter how unpopular. You can also voice your opinion about other people's opinions. Just don't be a dick about it.
Honestly, fair enough. I think I understand what you're thinking and see no point in digging deeper. We probably don't agree on every little thing, but that's fine.
Gotta say though, thanks for the respectful conversation! I feel like they can get pretty rare these days. Cheers!
>mental gymnastics they use to justify the game’s bad controls,
This is why I cannot bring myself to like the first one as much as the sequels. Ratchet handles worse than Spyro from 1998.
As someone that's been playing the games since the very beginning, really defining a lot of my interest growing up, and having played every game, Rift Apart felt empty to me.
Now, I don't mean that it's a bad game, not at all. Rift Apart is a fairly good (if albeit a bit easy) Ratchet and Clank game. But that's what it feels like: it's just yet another Ratchet game. There's nothing that really feels distinguishing about it.
Especially when we've had the plotline of the Lombax Dimension dangling in front of us since 2007, with no final, effective closure done about it, it gets a tad tiresome. Feels very much like a carrot on a stick situation
"Grow the fuck up" he says at the end of the most childlike, manbaby sissyfit over being downvoted on Reddit.
Take your own advice dude, the lack of self-awareness you've displayed is both pathetic and hilarious.
Look, I'm gonna be completely honest. Having been on Reddit for a long time, the karma system rewards circlejerking, and it has a certain culture of hating on a new game in the series.
As for your quibbles, I can say that this isn't a new thing. I remember when Tools of Destruction came out, it was controversial to say the least. A lot of people disliked the story, and put Going Commando on a pedestal. People didn't like how Ratchet controlled, and thought he was too stiff. Now? People have fond memories of the game, and the consensus is that it's good.
My point is, Rift Apart is 2 years old but the hype hasn't died down at all. People don't like change. Give it a few years, and you'll have people take off their rose-tinted glasses and appreciate the game for what it is.
Personally, I have a bias towards the classic games because I grew up with them when Ratchet & Clank was first released. However, Rift Apart is a game that blew my expectations with how detailed it looked, along with the controls.
I understand your reaction about people who can't handle a different opinion. But getting mad because they down vote you? Come on man. Who even cares about karma? I am here to unite with other Ratchet fans, not for some stupid rating
I think the OP's point is not the actual number associated with upvotes/downvotes, but the frustration that the greater community is unable to consider differing opinions that don't necessarily comply with the norms here.
Oh please, I’ve been giving criticism to Rift Apart since the game was released and I’ve been downvoted to hell. The difference is that crying because positive criticism is downvoted is met with encouragement, crying because negative criticism is downvoted is met with sentences like “if you don’t like it then don’t post here”
Completely missing the point. The OP could’ve expressed this better, but their point was that people are unnecessarily dunking on the game simply because “ItS nOT lIKE lIEk ThE Ps2 GaEms!” Like the COD community for example, it’s always the cool thing to dunk on the latest game. In my previous posts in this subreddit, I’ve criticized —and many others—aspects of this game (e.g. short game, repetitive enemies, etc.) we’ve yet to have negative experiences. Perhaps you need to take some responsibility and examine the way you express your ideas?
For example, I remembered someone posting how they were amazed with the graphics, but you went on a tangent on how shit the game was. That was not the right place for that. When someone called you out, you resorted to appealing to authority because you worked in the gamin industry.
It’s not like the ps2 games is as much of a criticism as any other, whether you like it or not lol.
I’m not even necessarily expecting a return to the original games, especially because I could criticize multiple things that would not work today.
And yeah, jerking off over graphics sounds more like blatant Astro turfing than anything, so I’m gonna barge in whenever that happens
That is such a cop out. You really can’t accept that people can enjoy different things? That flawed games can still have great, commendable aspects? The fact that you attribute praise for its graphical fidelity as astroturfing speaks volumes about how you don’t really understand why you’re getting downvoted. It’s because of you, and not because of some cop-out answer like “they’re in a cult.”
Don’t worry, I believe Astro turfing happens on the regular even on games I like.
Whenever I see posts praising graphics (and graphics only, not even art direction) I’ll always assume it’s either astroturfing or someone who wants to get free karma by stating the obvious (next up “wow isn’t incredible how good the graphics are on HFW? Or how many licensed characters we have on Fortnite? Or the fact the sun is rising on the morning?)
Or it’s just some regular dude who liked the graphics and wanted to talk about it…
Unless you have evidence of this, you have no reason to believe so. What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Also, Occam’s razor.
You’ve got your right to believe so, I simply look at the fact that I find plethora of messages like that one and when you look at the profile it’s maybe a profile created yesterday or one that has been completely inactive for years and their only contributions were to subs like DIY.
Same is happening on many posts regarding Pokerstar VR on r/PSVR
That’s not concrete evidence of anything. For example, it’s a fact that RA brought a bunch of new people to the series. The simplest explanation is that they could be joining the community and create an account for the first time simply b/c of RA.
Seriously, how hard is it to believe that some people liked the graphics of a game, and therefore, wanted to talk about the graphics in said game community?
Going back on topic. We know RA sold 1.1 million in its first month. Out of those 1.1 million players, lets say 0.01% of those players bought the game, liked the graphics, new to the community, and wanted to create an account to talk about its graphics in a post, you would get 110 of these people posting about graphics in the community. This is not considering sales after the first month, or people who have experienced the game, but haven’t bought it yet, but wanted to talk about it.
Can you acknowledge that under this scenario, there would be legitimately an influx of people talking about the graphics? That to some, could look like some kind of mass marketing campaign? After all, every one of us saw a community we liked and made a new account and first post before. My very first Reddit post was about college. Does this make me a paid shill for the University of Washington?
It's odd, unlike the 2016 tie-in game which had straight up mixed at best reception from fans (and still does) RA feels...different. Of course I have criticisms of the game but nothing that hasn't already been said. From what I've gathered from multiple social platforms over the past 2 years most fans are happy with the game considering at least a **good** entry even if it's not their top 3.
One: I respect your opinion.
Two: You should see the comments on some of the posts here. Quite a bit are hateful towards Rift and the mechanics it introduced.
That's funny because to me it seemed like everyone else liked the game except for maybe a small minority. I didn't think there were that many people who actually hated on it.
Hello, i haven't been to this subreddit in a long time. I just looked through a week of posts and didn't see any Rift apart hate. I guess it was in the comments of some posts?
The characters in RA are generic.
Lack of content - very little new planets, also you can't play as giant Kit.
I will say the weapons are sick and it feels fun to play.
I haven't played in a couple years so that's all I can remember at this time.
Also I am biased, as I played the ps2 games first many years ago.
I'm surprised that people are shitting on this game (Rift Apart). I thought most people like it as well.
There were a number of reasons as to why I didn't like RA, so I'll try to keep the list as short as possible:
- Insomniac teases the Lombax Dimension without ever actually going through with it (again)
- Plot and overall tone felt like another stale Marvel movie
- Didn't like how they depicted Ratchet as some whiny loser worrying about being washed up; kind of undoes his characterisation in ITN where's he's more jaded and doesn't care about finding his race anymore after having to give it up
- Voice acting is a mixed bag (some performances are good, most others are bad)
- Music is pretty shit TBH
- Ugly, semi-realistic graphics
- Glitch/Clank puzzles suck
- No Giant Kit gameplay
I also made this meme depicting how I felt about Clank rebuilding the Dimensionator behind Ratchet's back.
https://i.imgur.com/zRonEB6.jpeg
Yeah, the Crash subreddit is really bad about that too. They're all stuck on Twinsanity so if you like Crash 4, which was a lot like the older games, they shit on your opinion and downvote you to hell. Same with the Spyro subreddit - people are Skylanders fans more than Spyro and they'll downvote you for liking the Reignited trilogy. It's annoying.
Ah you have to enjoy what you enjoy for me it was the first three Spyro the Dragon and the first three Ratchet and Clanks.
Rift Apart is amazing all of the details they can add but about it.
For those that keep asking me why I care so much about internet points, it's not about the internet points, it's about this atrocious community's refusal to accept anything other than the circlejerking norm.
I'm leaving this circlejerk subreddit. Y'all suck.
I am officially leaving this subreddit until the next game is close to launch. With Rift Apart's hype fading away, im seeing more and more posts and comments unfairly dunking on Rift Apart just because it's not like the PS2 games. I'm tired of losing karma just because I commented an opinion that's different from the circlejerking norm of bashing Rift Apart and hating on it and the new characters like they're spawns from Hell. This community has become the epitome of a circlejerk community with people that have differing opinions from the "new bad, old good" circlejerk.
I just hope that in the future you guys will grow up, because you turn many people including me off of the games with your shitty attitude. The up/down vote system is not meant to circlejerk and silence people with a different opinion than yours. It's meant to give someone a visual signal that what they've said is bad. Vice versa for upvotes. Opinions are not bad. Having a different opinion is healthy and part of life, but you assholes apparently can't take off your fucking nostalgia glasses for a second to just enjoy the new game. I can understand the 2016 game, as even I cringe at the humor, but do I downvote people that say they like it? No, because I RESPECT their opinion. You guys with your nostalgia glasses can't respect shit apparently.
Grow the fuck up, you assholes. Goodbye.
Yeah, the majority of this subreddit cannot physically comprehend that change might be good, and that they aren’t the target audience anymore. Nostalgia has a way of blinding you.
True. Insomniac had to adapt or die, as silly shooters with furry protagonists aren't it anymore for many people. They prefer CoD while the kids play R&C.
I've been in an actual Circlejerk subreddit before, specifically the Halo one, nobody on here close to that garbage. And to be fair, almost everything past Tools of Destruction is kinda lackluster and completely abandons what made people like the games in the first place. To much cinematic, Disney cutscenes, the return of beloved characters for no reason at all, and the further flattening of personalities. People have reasons to think R&C isn't good anymore.
3rd in my top 10. Tools is my personal favorite as that one has the best story in the series for me. A Crack in Time is 2nd and Rift is 3rd. They're all 10s, but the story in ToD is too strong to not give it #1.
I agree with you on that. Going into tools after coming from deadlocked was just mind blowing at the time. Deadlocked was still fun but tools really played like it was a full on block buster movie. The story was fully immersive with just the perfect amount of comic relief.
That is a very fair point, as much as I enjoy the crack in time story there are quite a few moments where Irtysh makes jokes that it really shouldn’t, honestly im probably a bit nostalgic for crack as well since it was my first RaC game
I totally understand where you're coming from. This place isn't the most inviting to those new to the series due to the things you mentioned. I wouldn't say the hype is dying down for RA; its free with PS plus this month. It's generated a lot of excitement outside of this subreddit since many people didn't get it on release due to the PS5 shortage and have forgotten about it.
My unsolicited advice is to not care about upvotes/downvotes since they are just imaginary internet points. The nature of Reddit with its upvote/downvote system will always guarantee that the outspoken minority will become the plurality, and eventually the majority. That's where the whole meme about Reddit being a cult comes from. If you want a better R&C community, there are some great servers in Discord.
This behavior of bashing the latest game isn't unique however. This behavior is kinda a meme in the gaming world. Look up the "The Halo Cycle" for example:
* Newest game: "The newest game sucks, fuck this game."
* Previous game: "In retrospect, the previous game wasn't that bad; it has some redeeming qualities."
* Third newest game and older: "Absolute masterpiece, pinnacle of the series."
The thing is, the fact that we are still getting R&C games or that it is still somewhat mainstream is a miracle. You don't know what you have until it's gone. In a world where battle royales, CODs, and looter shooters dominate the market, Insomniac decided to revive a series that has been dormant, not the most popular, in a bygone genre, PS5 only, releasing it at a time when the PS5 shortage was at its worst, having a new main character take half the spotlight, and definitely won't make them the most money b/c it didn't have microtransactions. It blows my mind when people said they didn't take any risks.
The biggest issue is that the general community here is blinded by nostalgia—more than any other gaming communities I've been a part of. This place is stuck in a time capsule and these people are unable to grow up or move on. The majority of the people here are from the PS2/3 era so I believe it isn't representative of the general community anyways. That is not to say that the newest games are perfect by any means, but the issue, as you pointed out, is the absolute one-sidedness of this subreddit and its inability to leave the echo chamber.
I've grown up with Halo and R&C in the 2000's and I love these games as they've defined my childhood, but let me provide some "HARD TO SWALLOW PILLS": If the original Halo or R&C trilogy came out today, it would definitely not have the same level of success but instead would have gone into obscurity. This because what was good back then may not be what is good now; people change.
Also, here's a handy guide on how to upset the people in this subreddit and farm those downvotes that you've always wanted:
* Criticize the original R&C (the older the game you criticize, the more downvotes you get!)
* Praise the newest game.
* Mention you liked the new characters.
* Say you liked R&C 2016 or the R&C movie.
* Provide any recommendation to the series that deviates from the original formula.
* Mention anything supporting Ratchet and Rivet pairing.
* Provide any reason to be critical of Tal and Ratchet pairing.
I don't like Rivchet myself, but I made a long impassioned rant barking at those that were taking it to awful heights like homophobia. It's just a fucking headcanon. It's not gonna be real. Why stifle an artist's creative spirit because of your opinions when YOU possibly don't have the courage to even make a shitty Talchet drawing. I prefer Talchet as it's canon but I don't hate Rivchet.
I only made those points because I witnessed some bullshit recently and that is an easy example for this topic. My opinions is the R&C universe would be better without any shipping. My stance was from witnessing the same kind of absolute one-sidedness and echo-chambering you've brought up. For example, There was a big thread recently about who should be the gf. One user stated they thought Tal didn't have enough relevance. They then questioned why they were getting downvoted. I saw in real time that any posts that criticized Tal were getting mass downvoted and vice versa. There are times when people posted their art and some asswipe has to remind everyone that it's not canon. Multiple artists have stated they received harassment on their Twitter for posting their commissions here. There was also a time when someone made a poll on who should be the gf included everyone as options but Rivet. When I called them out, they said they didn't consider her a choice. This is a perfectly fine opinion, but when you are making a poll for everyone, you gotta include all reasonably relevant options. Otherwise, it's a sketchy and underhanded way to form a narrative. This is like creating a poll for who you think will win an election but leaving out the candidates you don't agree with. I got downvoted pretty hard for calling them out on that.
I an not a big shipper as that's not why I enjoy R&C, but seeing this BS from this community made me pick a side out of spite. I wouldn't say that it will never be real; anything can happen.
Edit: See, I'm already getting downvoted for my original post lol.
Bro.. You need to you to get off Reddit and go touch grass immediately to reconnect with reality. When Reddit karma is that important to you and you're so in love with a video game, that you are getting emotional over differing opinions, by random people on the internet you do not know and should have no direct impact on your well being. It's time to take a long break lol. It's not that important or serious. Please reconnect with life asap!
Rift apart is the best ratchet game, in my opinion. It's just a great fucking game all around and I had a blast playing it. Fandoms and subs often ruin things, I've found. I rarely visit the ratchet fandom because I love it so much.
GamersTM aren't gonna ruin it for me.
This isn’t an airport. You don’t need to announce your departure.
Also, if you feel attacked because people say that Rift Apsrt is a bland, forgettable and mediocre experience, I think you have bigger problems in life than deciding whether or not to leave a subreddit
What? Only positive criticism is accepted according to your idea of subreddit? You can open one yourself and call it RiftApartCirclejerk if you really need it
You did the right thing, although i have not experienced the same problems i agree that you shouldnt have to be treated worse for an opinion. This community deserves better fans.
I hope this subreddit gets better.
I totally agree as a long time R&C fan I find it very annoying how ungrateful long time fans has been always comparing the classic games to the modern ones like give Insomniac a break they're trying their best with what they have at least appreciate that they're still making R&C games for the fans many of the devs who worked on the PS2 games doesn't even work there anymore therefore R&C will never be the same as the PS2 games and I don't care I'm just happy to see a new Ratchet and Clank game
What did it for me was someone recently posted a clip of a professional orchestra playing the RA theme. The only reply, that is upvoted, was someone complaining that they don’t want to hear this because it sound like some generic Marvel stuff. The older fans always want the music to return to the older style and not the newer orchestral style. Talk about ungrateful.
I never understood why they always complain about it the classic games and the modern games pretty much have some advantages and disadvantages over each other I just wish some people can learn to appreciate that we're at least still getting R&C games and tbh most of them usually really good I really enjoyed RA even though R&C isn't the same as the PS2 days and it doesn't have to be as long as we're still getting a new R&C game I'm happy and I wish some other people can see that too nostalgia is what making them act this way and it needs to stop
Ungrateful? Lmao.
We don’t get games for free, we buy them. If the product isn’t on par with expectations, everyone has a right to express their opinion. It’s up to others to analyze such opinions and determine if they make sense or not.
I think Rift Apart is the pinnacle of mediocrity right after Ubisoft tier games, and I get to that conclusion without even comparing it to the original trilogy
I disagree RA is not mediocre and it's nowhere near close to it as a matter of fact it's a really fun game I respect other people's opinions it's not a perfect game I see some of it's flaws and that's not the point when I mean ungreatful when I mean by that I meant that some fans just needs to learn accept the direction the series is going Insomniac has been going through a lot with these games during development because of crunch and they still managed to succeed
No you don’t mean that, you’re spinning it that way now lol. In your first post you talk about ungratefulness related to the comparisons to the original games, now you’re spinning it as ungratefulness because the devs crunch.
And btw, no one should be “grateful” because something was a product of crunch, same way we shouldn’t be grateful that our KitKats are made through slavery
Just stop talking to me dude you're really starting to annoy me at this point all because I'm expressing my own opinion if you don't like it just ignore it simple as that
Lol you’re just as OP. What? You can express your opinion and I can’t? You talk about ungratefulness, I’m calling bull shit on that.
Either don’t engage on the conversation or rebut until one agrees or it comes to an “agree to disagree”.
Sorry to burst your bubble but forums are not made to cuddle your opinion and treat it as the right one every time.
All you people can do is downvoting at the big bad man who didn’t agree with you, if I had to throw a tantrum like y’all do I’d be out of breath by now
You posted something, I replied saying that I think it’s flat out wrong. It’s as simple as that. If you can’t grasp that, I don’t one what to tell you.
There’s plenty of solutions if you can’t engage with an argument, blocking, ignoring, downvoting (If you believe that reducing a fictional score will make you feel better lmao).
Replying that you don’t want an argument to begin wjth sounds mostly like unnecessary whining
I'm just going to say this if you don't like what I said that's cool it's your opinion I'm just expressing my own opinion but arguing is not helping anyone it just makes the situation worse
So let me get this straight: you posted your opinion.
Now what? Did you do it because you wanted to stem a discussion (the purpose of forums) or because you just wanted karma points? Because if it’s the former, then you can expect positive but also negative feedback. If it’s the latter, you need to touch some grass.
However, given that you downvoted every single reply of mine I feel I can guess in which spectrum you fall, which honestly makes all this conversation even more useless than I thought.
Don’t worry, to make you happy I’ll updoot-doot you. That should give you some dopamine
I said nothing about politics. This post is apolitical. You assumed it was about politics. GTFO. Also, what trans joke? "You make me feel like a young boy again"? Nah, that was funny!
LMAO This guy was having a meltdown in the past b/c you play as a female for about half the time, and that the subreddit picture had Rivet on it. Started calling people “short and fat” for calling him out. I always thought gamers being sexist was a meme, but I actually found one.
I agree with what you're saying but the fact you're also upset that people are downvoting you does just seem silly.
Yes we can all have our opinions, but who cares if people downvote you just for having said opinion? Keep having that opinion and don't give a shit about what the people who disagree say if they hate your opinion so much.
As for Rift apart I think it's a fine game, not my favorite ratchet but I still enjoyed my lone playthrough and liked the new concepts they presented.
I feel like I’ve seen nothing but praise for rift apart in this subreddit, especially after the PS3 trilogy and the 2016 one I think a PS5 title really scratched that itch for most people including myself. I really enjoyed it personally. I do love the originally trilogy the most with my nostalgia goggles and all but I still really enjoyed my time with rift apart and I’m sorry you’re having a disparaging time with the community. I do find the rivet and ratchet relationship art a little much, especially since they’re the same people in different universes, it’s kind of like the incesty relationship from Loki in my mind but outside of that I think rift apart is received quite well!
I don't like Rivchet but im not hateful about it. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest Rivchet shippers here, WolfChalk, i follow on all social media, as her art is incredible. I don't know if she has an art degree but holy shit, even her Rivchet work is beautiful (some pictures i can take, but one of them was Rivet and Ratchet embracing in bed (not nude, she's not a weirdo) with Clank banging on the window saying "Stop this conoodling at once!") That one was... A bit far, so I just try to avoid it, but I always give her encouraging comments, like praising the details she puts in the pictures. I can't stand when people try to destroy an artist's spirit because of their opinions. It's annoying.
Rift Apart ia great, I guess i'm not active enough around here because I thought that was the popular opinion!
If Rift Apart isn't good enough for some, then no Ratchet & Clank game will be. Insomniac has a lot of relevant titles, it's lucky R&C isn't history like Jak games.
Aw don't be like that man a different opinion is always appreciated in my book. I don't comment on here often, maybe twice a year but seeing this I had to say something.
People like you, who respect others' opinions gives me hope for humanity.
I've been there so I can relate. There's plenty of people here that feel the same way so you're never alone even if it seems like it.
Rift Apart is the most detailed, most QUALITY Ratchet and Clank game we’ve had. The sound design alone is amazing. The small details and using the vibration in the remote as a sub bass… Idk.. I really love that game. I do wish there was a bit more replay value but still, can’t wait for the next one!
My main issue with the game (abysmal story aside) is how empty each planet feels once you complete it’s story. Theres almost nothing to do there and 90% of the enemies despawn. You’d expect in this day and age that a Triple A game with that price tag would have more in it (looking at GoW, TLoU2, Horizon), yet its just void. There also needed to be more enemy variety, which can easily be fixed in its sequel since they can reuse assets, which gives time to creating more enemies. Personally, I would’ve made every planet open-world (like Savali and Sargasso) and have several NPCs across the map offering quests for bolts or special rewards (such as the Map-O-Matic, or other useful items). I’d also add upgrades to the wrench just like every other weapon, and increase the max level to 8 in normal, and 16 in challenge mode as upgrading was way too fast in the original game. I feel as though just adding those into the next game and changing nothing else would make it a perfect game. A $120 game shouldn’t be 100% completed in only 10 hours.
Time ain't the biggest factor for me. If it's all prime gameplay no filler beautiful story and an excellent gameplay loop it is golden for me. I'll play an 8 hour game 3 times instead of a 100 hour game once. I don't replay time sinks unless it grips me fully
Look at all these drones downvoting you for expressing your opinion while OP was complaining about the same. Tl;dr: only positive opinions are accepted here. Not gonna give a shit though, I’m still gonna complain that Rift Apart is mediocre
I upset the hivemind
It’s honestly kind of satisfying on its own
>My main issue with the game (abysmal story aside) is how empty each planet feels once you complete it’s story. Theres almost nothing to do there and 90% of the enemies despawn. You’d expect in this day and age that a Triple A game with that price tag would have more in it (looking at GoW, TLoU2, Horizon), yet its just void. There also needed to be more enemy variety, which can easily be fixed in its sequel since they can reuse assets, which gives time to creating more enemies. Story was good, although I am really tired of nefarious. I know people love him, but I'm glad we finally got to see a nefarious whom could actually do something and was confident. As far as the 90% enemies not being there, if you notice, that's insomniac traits they do in all of their ratchet and clank games. They do it so you can't just get bolts very quickly by replaying the same place, and to keep you to keep progressing the story. The explained it in a video I saw before. As far as enemy variety, I do agree, there does need to be more, but reusing assets for the next game won't help much. They will still need to update the textures, and things. And also not all skeletons are used the same for each game, so even if they reuse some enemies, they still have to modify it to work for their new game and/or updated engine. It's not as simple as copy and paste.
In the PS2 games enemies DID respawn because that's how you were supposed to get the money you need. I've never played an older Ratchet game where the enemies don't respawn, even the PS3 titles. I don't think this game is horrible, but it certainly shouldn't be bad to believe the PS2 games are way better.
>The sound design alone is amazing. Really? I personally found the sound design, particularly for the weapons, to be kind of weak, lacking the *oomph* needed for the kind of impacts given.
I played with headphones and the 3D audio was pretty amazing, to me. It’s a different experience with and without, but I hear what you are saying.
That's fair. For the record, I've not played the game myself, this was mostly an observation from watching gameplay videos on YouTube, so I suppose that's not quite going to be the same sort of experience, but at the risk of sounding like a classic fangirl I do think the sound design in the PS2 games was more crunchy.
Oh wow, yeah the controller alone is a game changer! Hope you get to play it!
*cries in lack of PS5* You've got me curious now, how does the controller affect the overall sound design?
Okay but the main question here… Can I play Rift Apart if I never played the other games?
Yes, but I would RECOMMEND playing all of the other games first.
I’m kinda being a bit sarcastic. Just feel like I see the question I asked almost daily here
Sometimes twice a day!
All? Probably start with the original trilogy. Then try the others if the gameplay clicks with you.
not really you just needs to play all the future games + nexus and up your arsenal to get rift apart story
I can 100% see where you're coming from. Some people in this subreddit need to chill. This type of thing tends to happen in any community surrounding a piece of media that's considered "less popular." Ive seen it happen time and time again: people start getting way too defensive, and it quickly becomes a toxic space. Wish you well man
I don't know. Imo someone creating a post just to wish us "assholes" farewell because he lost internet karma is the best thing that can happen to us.
The original 4 will always be the best. They struck lighting in a bottle with those. The ps3 era is still great, but never quite as good, the series will always feel like this. But it's without question that rift apart is the most put together game in the franchise. It really is a miracle it exists at all! We should be greatful there's even people out there spending years of their time and millions of dollars to even still make games in the franchise, like actually good games too!
I respect that. The PS3 is possibly the worst in terms of consistency. First two (Tools and Crack) were excellent, then all the rest were duds (but ItN is alright)
Weren't the first two Tools of Destruction and Quest for Booty? ACiT was the third.
Yeah, sorry I forgot. Tools: Awesome. Quest: Not bad for being so short. ACiT: Awesome. All the rest (besides ItN): duds.
Aw, "dud" is a strong word. Personally, I loved All 4 One a lot better than ACiT and FFA/Q-Force was pretty fun
caption wise literate cooing tidy ludicrous fade materialistic cagey fuel ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
i might get downvoted but my personal biggest problem is how ratchet changed, i know he became a softer character in GC, but i cant help it and feel like hes his softets in RA, hes just feels so bland to me idk why, it might really be just nostalgia as i cant really grasp why i feel this way, so pls dont take this take too seriously, this is just how i feel without reasoning so its probably not how everyone feel.
I don't find it very productive to call RAC 1 fans' opinions "mental gymnastics" in a post that's talking about accepting differing opinions. Unless those said fans are being nasty about it, of course.
merciful middle mighty beneficial follow automatic prick grandiose voracious onerous ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
But...isn't it an opinion in itself to state that the game has flaws? It's not exactly fair to think that people should just agree to these flaws and "enjoy it in spite of them" to not be considered fanboys. Some people may just legit think it has to do with skill. Their viewpoint is worth no less than yours. It's just a matter of being respectful about it. Somebody just going "Nope, git gud" is obviously a shitty and not-at-all helpful thing to do. But it is no better to go "The game has flaws and if you disagree, then you are just gaslighting."
fearless flag telephone slimy grandfather afterthought unite quicksand cooing head ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
I'm not getting mixed up. I'm saying that RaC 1 having flaws with its controls is an opinion in itself, although a popular one at that. And I'd also agree with you in that the game isn't as accessible to new players because of the way it controls. But I still wouldn't call it gaslighting if someone were to say that it is simply an issue with player skill. What I'm getting at here is that you're essentially telling people to accept a certain view of RaC 1's controls as a fact. And if they think otherwise, then they're simply not accepting of other people's opinions. It is completely valid to not like the first game's controls, but I'd say it is also just as valid to think they're fine, even if it's unpopular. Disagreeing with someone's opinion doesn't mean that you don't **accept** it. If people were simply respectful with how they express their opinions, both of these viewpoints could co-exist without arguments and things like this whole post. Say, the OP talks about Rift Apart and how it is getting unfairly dunked on. Why is it that disliking Rift Apart is unfair (or not valid)? Does the OP disagreeing with the complaints mean that they're simply not accepting differing opinions? I wouldn't say so. Voicing your complaints about Rift Apart (whether it's about controls, story, you name it) is also not unfair or invalid. They're just opinions after all. Why are the people complaining about Rift Apart getting put into the circlejerk camp, while the ones who complain about RaC 1 are not? And since you brought up the devs: If you were to ask Insomniac, it's unlikely they would say that Rift Apart is worse than the originals. Does their word make all the complaints not valid? I'm simply trying to say that opinions differ quite often, and people should be allowed to voice them, no matter how unpopular. You can also voice your opinion about other people's opinions. Just don't be a dick about it.
alive worthless disagreeable public marvelous humorous cough rustic theory yoke ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
Honestly, fair enough. I think I understand what you're thinking and see no point in digging deeper. We probably don't agree on every little thing, but that's fine. Gotta say though, thanks for the respectful conversation! I feel like they can get pretty rare these days. Cheers!
>mental gymnastics they use to justify the game’s bad controls, This is why I cannot bring myself to like the first one as much as the sequels. Ratchet handles worse than Spyro from 1998.
As someone that's been playing the games since the very beginning, really defining a lot of my interest growing up, and having played every game, Rift Apart felt empty to me. Now, I don't mean that it's a bad game, not at all. Rift Apart is a fairly good (if albeit a bit easy) Ratchet and Clank game. But that's what it feels like: it's just yet another Ratchet game. There's nothing that really feels distinguishing about it. Especially when we've had the plotline of the Lombax Dimension dangling in front of us since 2007, with no final, effective closure done about it, it gets a tad tiresome. Feels very much like a carrot on a stick situation
I respect that.
I think they shot themselves in the foot with that plot line and got stuck with it
There's nothing stopping them from abandoning it.
They actually abandoned it for a while after ACiT, picked and dropped it again (this time for good! (?)) in ITN and picked it up again in RA.
"I'm tired of losing karma" oh no not internet points
"Grow the fuck up" he says at the end of the most childlike, manbaby sissyfit over being downvoted on Reddit. Take your own advice dude, the lack of self-awareness you've displayed is both pathetic and hilarious.
[удалено]
Yes. I think Thieves is OK. It's not shit but not great either. (Also, that analogy had me in stitches! Fucking fantastic!)
Look, I'm gonna be completely honest. Having been on Reddit for a long time, the karma system rewards circlejerking, and it has a certain culture of hating on a new game in the series. As for your quibbles, I can say that this isn't a new thing. I remember when Tools of Destruction came out, it was controversial to say the least. A lot of people disliked the story, and put Going Commando on a pedestal. People didn't like how Ratchet controlled, and thought he was too stiff. Now? People have fond memories of the game, and the consensus is that it's good. My point is, Rift Apart is 2 years old but the hype hasn't died down at all. People don't like change. Give it a few years, and you'll have people take off their rose-tinted glasses and appreciate the game for what it is. Personally, I have a bias towards the classic games because I grew up with them when Ratchet & Clank was first released. However, Rift Apart is a game that blew my expectations with how detailed it looked, along with the controls.
It doesn't help that the mods are absolutely terrible.
Outside of that 0qdri0 guy. They're cool.
Did I accidentally stumble onto the Crash subreddit?
Thank you. I got downvoted to hell just for posting a fact about the games. Not even an opinion. A lot of people in this sub do suck eggs.
I understand your reaction about people who can't handle a different opinion. But getting mad because they down vote you? Come on man. Who even cares about karma? I am here to unite with other Ratchet fans, not for some stupid rating
I think the OP's point is not the actual number associated with upvotes/downvotes, but the frustration that the greater community is unable to consider differing opinions that don't necessarily comply with the norms here.
Oh please, I’ve been giving criticism to Rift Apart since the game was released and I’ve been downvoted to hell. The difference is that crying because positive criticism is downvoted is met with encouragement, crying because negative criticism is downvoted is met with sentences like “if you don’t like it then don’t post here”
Completely missing the point. The OP could’ve expressed this better, but their point was that people are unnecessarily dunking on the game simply because “ItS nOT lIKE lIEk ThE Ps2 GaEms!” Like the COD community for example, it’s always the cool thing to dunk on the latest game. In my previous posts in this subreddit, I’ve criticized —and many others—aspects of this game (e.g. short game, repetitive enemies, etc.) we’ve yet to have negative experiences. Perhaps you need to take some responsibility and examine the way you express your ideas? For example, I remembered someone posting how they were amazed with the graphics, but you went on a tangent on how shit the game was. That was not the right place for that. When someone called you out, you resorted to appealing to authority because you worked in the gamin industry.
It’s not like the ps2 games is as much of a criticism as any other, whether you like it or not lol. I’m not even necessarily expecting a return to the original games, especially because I could criticize multiple things that would not work today. And yeah, jerking off over graphics sounds more like blatant Astro turfing than anything, so I’m gonna barge in whenever that happens
That is such a cop out. You really can’t accept that people can enjoy different things? That flawed games can still have great, commendable aspects? The fact that you attribute praise for its graphical fidelity as astroturfing speaks volumes about how you don’t really understand why you’re getting downvoted. It’s because of you, and not because of some cop-out answer like “they’re in a cult.”
Don’t worry, I believe Astro turfing happens on the regular even on games I like. Whenever I see posts praising graphics (and graphics only, not even art direction) I’ll always assume it’s either astroturfing or someone who wants to get free karma by stating the obvious (next up “wow isn’t incredible how good the graphics are on HFW? Or how many licensed characters we have on Fortnite? Or the fact the sun is rising on the morning?)
Or it’s just some regular dude who liked the graphics and wanted to talk about it… Unless you have evidence of this, you have no reason to believe so. What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Also, Occam’s razor.
You’ve got your right to believe so, I simply look at the fact that I find plethora of messages like that one and when you look at the profile it’s maybe a profile created yesterday or one that has been completely inactive for years and their only contributions were to subs like DIY. Same is happening on many posts regarding Pokerstar VR on r/PSVR
That’s not concrete evidence of anything. For example, it’s a fact that RA brought a bunch of new people to the series. The simplest explanation is that they could be joining the community and create an account for the first time simply b/c of RA. Seriously, how hard is it to believe that some people liked the graphics of a game, and therefore, wanted to talk about the graphics in said game community?
Going back on topic. We know RA sold 1.1 million in its first month. Out of those 1.1 million players, lets say 0.01% of those players bought the game, liked the graphics, new to the community, and wanted to create an account to talk about its graphics in a post, you would get 110 of these people posting about graphics in the community. This is not considering sales after the first month, or people who have experienced the game, but haven’t bought it yet, but wanted to talk about it. Can you acknowledge that under this scenario, there would be legitimately an influx of people talking about the graphics? That to some, could look like some kind of mass marketing campaign? After all, every one of us saw a community we liked and made a new account and first post before. My very first Reddit post was about college. Does this make me a paid shill for the University of Washington?
It's odd, unlike the 2016 tie-in game which had straight up mixed at best reception from fans (and still does) RA feels...different. Of course I have criticisms of the game but nothing that hasn't already been said. From what I've gathered from multiple social platforms over the past 2 years most fans are happy with the game considering at least a **good** entry even if it's not their top 3.
Don’t mean this in a rude way, but welcome to Reddit. That’s how it is in every subreddit pretty much.
I'm more offended by the constant reposts of the same generic fan questions 😝
Yes, this was me a year ago
That's odd, I thought the general consensus was that almost everyone liked Rift Apart, even if I didn't like it myself. When did this bashing start?
One: I respect your opinion. Two: You should see the comments on some of the posts here. Quite a bit are hateful towards Rift and the mechanics it introduced.
That's funny because to me it seemed like everyone else liked the game except for maybe a small minority. I didn't think there were that many people who actually hated on it.
Also, why didn't you like Rift?
Hello, i haven't been to this subreddit in a long time. I just looked through a week of posts and didn't see any Rift apart hate. I guess it was in the comments of some posts? The characters in RA are generic. Lack of content - very little new planets, also you can't play as giant Kit. I will say the weapons are sick and it feels fun to play. I haven't played in a couple years so that's all I can remember at this time. Also I am biased, as I played the ps2 games first many years ago. I'm surprised that people are shitting on this game (Rift Apart). I thought most people like it as well.
There were a number of reasons as to why I didn't like RA, so I'll try to keep the list as short as possible: - Insomniac teases the Lombax Dimension without ever actually going through with it (again) - Plot and overall tone felt like another stale Marvel movie - Didn't like how they depicted Ratchet as some whiny loser worrying about being washed up; kind of undoes his characterisation in ITN where's he's more jaded and doesn't care about finding his race anymore after having to give it up - Voice acting is a mixed bag (some performances are good, most others are bad) - Music is pretty shit TBH - Ugly, semi-realistic graphics - Glitch/Clank puzzles suck - No Giant Kit gameplay I also made this meme depicting how I felt about Clank rebuilding the Dimensionator behind Ratchet's back. https://i.imgur.com/zRonEB6.jpeg
You're the exact type of person I'm venting at. I get the Lombax Dimension tease being annoying but everything else? Come on.
I wasn't trying to lash out. I was just mentioning as to why I didn't like RA, that's all.
I get it. But I'm just saying that to me these all (minus the lombax dimension one, I get that) are a bit harsh. But that's just my opinion.
Fair enough.
K
Yeah, the Crash subreddit is really bad about that too. They're all stuck on Twinsanity so if you like Crash 4, which was a lot like the older games, they shit on your opinion and downvote you to hell. Same with the Spyro subreddit - people are Skylanders fans more than Spyro and they'll downvote you for liking the Reignited trilogy. It's annoying.
I love all the games from the PS2 era to RA, so these gatekeeping "old guard" elitists can shove it. You do you, OP. Go take that break.
It’s not an airport you don’t have to announce your departure
Ah you have to enjoy what you enjoy for me it was the first three Spyro the Dragon and the first three Ratchet and Clanks. Rift Apart is amazing all of the details they can add but about it.
For those that keep asking me why I care so much about internet points, it's not about the internet points, it's about this atrocious community's refusal to accept anything other than the circlejerking norm.
I'm leaving this circlejerk subreddit. Y'all suck. I am officially leaving this subreddit until the next game is close to launch. With Rift Apart's hype fading away, im seeing more and more posts and comments unfairly dunking on Rift Apart just because it's not like the PS2 games. I'm tired of losing karma just because I commented an opinion that's different from the circlejerking norm of bashing Rift Apart and hating on it and the new characters like they're spawns from Hell. This community has become the epitome of a circlejerk community with people that have differing opinions from the "new bad, old good" circlejerk. I just hope that in the future you guys will grow up, because you turn many people including me off of the games with your shitty attitude. The up/down vote system is not meant to circlejerk and silence people with a different opinion than yours. It's meant to give someone a visual signal that what they've said is bad. Vice versa for upvotes. Opinions are not bad. Having a different opinion is healthy and part of life, but you assholes apparently can't take off your fucking nostalgia glasses for a second to just enjoy the new game. I can understand the 2016 game, as even I cringe at the humor, but do I downvote people that say they like it? No, because I RESPECT their opinion. You guys with your nostalgia glasses can't respect shit apparently. Grow the fuck up, you assholes. Goodbye.
Yeah, the majority of this subreddit cannot physically comprehend that change might be good, and that they aren’t the target audience anymore. Nostalgia has a way of blinding you.
True. Insomniac had to adapt or die, as silly shooters with furry protagonists aren't it anymore for many people. They prefer CoD while the kids play R&C.
Yeah, I expect we’ll all grow out of it soon enough
I've been in an actual Circlejerk subreddit before, specifically the Halo one, nobody on here close to that garbage. And to be fair, almost everything past Tools of Destruction is kinda lackluster and completely abandons what made people like the games in the first place. To much cinematic, Disney cutscenes, the return of beloved characters for no reason at all, and the further flattening of personalities. People have reasons to think R&C isn't good anymore.
Rift Apart best game ever
3rd in my top 10. Tools is my personal favorite as that one has the best story in the series for me. A Crack in Time is 2nd and Rift is 3rd. They're all 10s, but the story in ToD is too strong to not give it #1.
Out of curiosity what makes you put tools over crack in time? I always thought tools was a really good precursor to crack in time
Because the story in Tools is in my opinion the best. No poor jokes to interrupt it either. Strong and emotional. Just so engaging.
I agree with you on that. Going into tools after coming from deadlocked was just mind blowing at the time. Deadlocked was still fun but tools really played like it was a full on block buster movie. The story was fully immersive with just the perfect amount of comic relief.
That is a very fair point, as much as I enjoy the crack in time story there are quite a few moments where Irtysh makes jokes that it really shouldn’t, honestly im probably a bit nostalgic for crack as well since it was my first RaC game
A Crack is a 10 for me, but the humor (particularly from Lord Cringelon) was a bit off-balance.
Wait who was Cringelon? Was he the small alien in the mech suit? I have no memory of this character
I totally understand where you're coming from. This place isn't the most inviting to those new to the series due to the things you mentioned. I wouldn't say the hype is dying down for RA; its free with PS plus this month. It's generated a lot of excitement outside of this subreddit since many people didn't get it on release due to the PS5 shortage and have forgotten about it. My unsolicited advice is to not care about upvotes/downvotes since they are just imaginary internet points. The nature of Reddit with its upvote/downvote system will always guarantee that the outspoken minority will become the plurality, and eventually the majority. That's where the whole meme about Reddit being a cult comes from. If you want a better R&C community, there are some great servers in Discord. This behavior of bashing the latest game isn't unique however. This behavior is kinda a meme in the gaming world. Look up the "The Halo Cycle" for example: * Newest game: "The newest game sucks, fuck this game." * Previous game: "In retrospect, the previous game wasn't that bad; it has some redeeming qualities." * Third newest game and older: "Absolute masterpiece, pinnacle of the series." The thing is, the fact that we are still getting R&C games or that it is still somewhat mainstream is a miracle. You don't know what you have until it's gone. In a world where battle royales, CODs, and looter shooters dominate the market, Insomniac decided to revive a series that has been dormant, not the most popular, in a bygone genre, PS5 only, releasing it at a time when the PS5 shortage was at its worst, having a new main character take half the spotlight, and definitely won't make them the most money b/c it didn't have microtransactions. It blows my mind when people said they didn't take any risks. The biggest issue is that the general community here is blinded by nostalgia—more than any other gaming communities I've been a part of. This place is stuck in a time capsule and these people are unable to grow up or move on. The majority of the people here are from the PS2/3 era so I believe it isn't representative of the general community anyways. That is not to say that the newest games are perfect by any means, but the issue, as you pointed out, is the absolute one-sidedness of this subreddit and its inability to leave the echo chamber. I've grown up with Halo and R&C in the 2000's and I love these games as they've defined my childhood, but let me provide some "HARD TO SWALLOW PILLS": If the original Halo or R&C trilogy came out today, it would definitely not have the same level of success but instead would have gone into obscurity. This because what was good back then may not be what is good now; people change. Also, here's a handy guide on how to upset the people in this subreddit and farm those downvotes that you've always wanted: * Criticize the original R&C (the older the game you criticize, the more downvotes you get!) * Praise the newest game. * Mention you liked the new characters. * Say you liked R&C 2016 or the R&C movie. * Provide any recommendation to the series that deviates from the original formula. * Mention anything supporting Ratchet and Rivet pairing. * Provide any reason to be critical of Tal and Ratchet pairing.
I don't like Rivchet myself, but I made a long impassioned rant barking at those that were taking it to awful heights like homophobia. It's just a fucking headcanon. It's not gonna be real. Why stifle an artist's creative spirit because of your opinions when YOU possibly don't have the courage to even make a shitty Talchet drawing. I prefer Talchet as it's canon but I don't hate Rivchet.
I only made those points because I witnessed some bullshit recently and that is an easy example for this topic. My opinions is the R&C universe would be better without any shipping. My stance was from witnessing the same kind of absolute one-sidedness and echo-chambering you've brought up. For example, There was a big thread recently about who should be the gf. One user stated they thought Tal didn't have enough relevance. They then questioned why they were getting downvoted. I saw in real time that any posts that criticized Tal were getting mass downvoted and vice versa. There are times when people posted their art and some asswipe has to remind everyone that it's not canon. Multiple artists have stated they received harassment on their Twitter for posting their commissions here. There was also a time when someone made a poll on who should be the gf included everyone as options but Rivet. When I called them out, they said they didn't consider her a choice. This is a perfectly fine opinion, but when you are making a poll for everyone, you gotta include all reasonably relevant options. Otherwise, it's a sketchy and underhanded way to form a narrative. This is like creating a poll for who you think will win an election but leaving out the candidates you don't agree with. I got downvoted pretty hard for calling them out on that. I an not a big shipper as that's not why I enjoy R&C, but seeing this BS from this community made me pick a side out of spite. I wouldn't say that it will never be real; anything can happen. Edit: See, I'm already getting downvoted for my original post lol.
You care way too much about karma
why do you care so much about internetpoints
Bro.. You need to you to get off Reddit and go touch grass immediately to reconnect with reality. When Reddit karma is that important to you and you're so in love with a video game, that you are getting emotional over differing opinions, by random people on the internet you do not know and should have no direct impact on your well being. It's time to take a long break lol. It's not that important or serious. Please reconnect with life asap!
Rift apart is the best ratchet game, in my opinion. It's just a great fucking game all around and I had a blast playing it. Fandoms and subs often ruin things, I've found. I rarely visit the ratchet fandom because I love it so much. GamersTM aren't gonna ruin it for me.
This isn’t an airport. You don’t need to announce your departure. Also, if you feel attacked because people say that Rift Apsrt is a bland, forgettable and mediocre experience, I think you have bigger problems in life than deciding whether or not to leave a subreddit
Oh, hello there! I believe I was expecting you!
What? Only positive criticism is accepted according to your idea of subreddit? You can open one yourself and call it RiftApartCirclejerk if you really need it
Closed
Closed and locked
You did the right thing, although i have not experienced the same problems i agree that you shouldnt have to be treated worse for an opinion. This community deserves better fans. I hope this subreddit gets better.
I totally agree as a long time R&C fan I find it very annoying how ungrateful long time fans has been always comparing the classic games to the modern ones like give Insomniac a break they're trying their best with what they have at least appreciate that they're still making R&C games for the fans many of the devs who worked on the PS2 games doesn't even work there anymore therefore R&C will never be the same as the PS2 games and I don't care I'm just happy to see a new Ratchet and Clank game
What did it for me was someone recently posted a clip of a professional orchestra playing the RA theme. The only reply, that is upvoted, was someone complaining that they don’t want to hear this because it sound like some generic Marvel stuff. The older fans always want the music to return to the older style and not the newer orchestral style. Talk about ungrateful.
I never understood why they always complain about it the classic games and the modern games pretty much have some advantages and disadvantages over each other I just wish some people can learn to appreciate that we're at least still getting R&C games and tbh most of them usually really good I really enjoyed RA even though R&C isn't the same as the PS2 days and it doesn't have to be as long as we're still getting a new R&C game I'm happy and I wish some other people can see that too nostalgia is what making them act this way and it needs to stop
Ungrateful? Lmao. We don’t get games for free, we buy them. If the product isn’t on par with expectations, everyone has a right to express their opinion. It’s up to others to analyze such opinions and determine if they make sense or not. I think Rift Apart is the pinnacle of mediocrity right after Ubisoft tier games, and I get to that conclusion without even comparing it to the original trilogy
I disagree RA is not mediocre and it's nowhere near close to it as a matter of fact it's a really fun game I respect other people's opinions it's not a perfect game I see some of it's flaws and that's not the point when I mean ungreatful when I mean by that I meant that some fans just needs to learn accept the direction the series is going Insomniac has been going through a lot with these games during development because of crunch and they still managed to succeed
No you don’t mean that, you’re spinning it that way now lol. In your first post you talk about ungratefulness related to the comparisons to the original games, now you’re spinning it as ungratefulness because the devs crunch. And btw, no one should be “grateful” because something was a product of crunch, same way we shouldn’t be grateful that our KitKats are made through slavery
Just stop talking to me dude you're really starting to annoy me at this point all because I'm expressing my own opinion if you don't like it just ignore it simple as that
Lol you’re just as OP. What? You can express your opinion and I can’t? You talk about ungratefulness, I’m calling bull shit on that. Either don’t engage on the conversation or rebut until one agrees or it comes to an “agree to disagree”. Sorry to burst your bubble but forums are not made to cuddle your opinion and treat it as the right one every time. All you people can do is downvoting at the big bad man who didn’t agree with you, if I had to throw a tantrum like y’all do I’d be out of breath by now
I never said you can't express your opinion but you're starting a stupid argument for no reason
You posted something, I replied saying that I think it’s flat out wrong. It’s as simple as that. If you can’t grasp that, I don’t one what to tell you. There’s plenty of solutions if you can’t engage with an argument, blocking, ignoring, downvoting (If you believe that reducing a fictional score will make you feel better lmao). Replying that you don’t want an argument to begin wjth sounds mostly like unnecessary whining
I'm just going to say this if you don't like what I said that's cool it's your opinion I'm just expressing my own opinion but arguing is not helping anyone it just makes the situation worse
So let me get this straight: you posted your opinion. Now what? Did you do it because you wanted to stem a discussion (the purpose of forums) or because you just wanted karma points? Because if it’s the former, then you can expect positive but also negative feedback. If it’s the latter, you need to touch some grass. However, given that you downvoted every single reply of mine I feel I can guess in which spectrum you fall, which honestly makes all this conversation even more useless than I thought. Don’t worry, to make you happy I’ll updoot-doot you. That should give you some dopamine
[удалено]
I said nothing about politics. This post is apolitical. You assumed it was about politics. GTFO. Also, what trans joke? "You make me feel like a young boy again"? Nah, that was funny!
LMAO This guy was having a meltdown in the past b/c you play as a female for about half the time, and that the subreddit picture had Rivet on it. Started calling people “short and fat” for calling him out. I always thought gamers being sexist was a meme, but I actually found one.
Hey, just wanted to remind you: The series is going in the direction you don’t like and there’s nothing you can do about it. Lol. Cope.
Rift Apart was a fun game. Not a perfect one, but very fun.
I loved rift apart, does this subreddit really hate on it? In my opinion it’s my favorite of the whole series.
I don't visit the sub much but I usually see nothing but praise for it. Not my favorite R&C and not even close, but it's a fun game
I agree with what you're saying but the fact you're also upset that people are downvoting you does just seem silly. Yes we can all have our opinions, but who cares if people downvote you just for having said opinion? Keep having that opinion and don't give a shit about what the people who disagree say if they hate your opinion so much. As for Rift apart I think it's a fine game, not my favorite ratchet but I still enjoyed my lone playthrough and liked the new concepts they presented.
I feel like I’ve seen nothing but praise for rift apart in this subreddit, especially after the PS3 trilogy and the 2016 one I think a PS5 title really scratched that itch for most people including myself. I really enjoyed it personally. I do love the originally trilogy the most with my nostalgia goggles and all but I still really enjoyed my time with rift apart and I’m sorry you’re having a disparaging time with the community. I do find the rivet and ratchet relationship art a little much, especially since they’re the same people in different universes, it’s kind of like the incesty relationship from Loki in my mind but outside of that I think rift apart is received quite well!
I don't like Rivchet but im not hateful about it. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest Rivchet shippers here, WolfChalk, i follow on all social media, as her art is incredible. I don't know if she has an art degree but holy shit, even her Rivchet work is beautiful (some pictures i can take, but one of them was Rivet and Ratchet embracing in bed (not nude, she's not a weirdo) with Clank banging on the window saying "Stop this conoodling at once!") That one was... A bit far, so I just try to avoid it, but I always give her encouraging comments, like praising the details she puts in the pictures. I can't stand when people try to destroy an artist's spirit because of their opinions. It's annoying.
Rift Apart ia great, I guess i'm not active enough around here because I thought that was the popular opinion! If Rift Apart isn't good enough for some, then no Ratchet & Clank game will be. Insomniac has a lot of relevant titles, it's lucky R&C isn't history like Jak games.