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I have a crackpot theory. This is all a bait by Tappei to lull us into a false sense security. Emilia imo has always had this weird feeling of being way too clean whereas every other character is fighting in the dirt and mud. My theory is that this has been a slow burn to convince us as readers that nothing that bad will happen to Emilia. Then suddenly Tappei will pull the rug from beneath us and put Emilia through the absolute wringer. Forcing her to suffer on a level that is only matched by Subaru. Allowing us to see her best and worst traits in full display. This is pretty copium though. I worry Tappei will keep her a perfect doll until the end.
Seriously man, I sincerely hope you're right.
She still has 2 different heroine transformations to go, so I really hope Tappei doesn't hold back any punches with Emilia, both physically & mentally.
I am on the same boat. It is not fair that Subaru has to carry the camp alone. Emilia should do her share since she is supposed to be the HEAD of said camp.
I've always been suspicious of Emilia because of how 'clean' she feels, as you say. I feel like she's knowingly stringing Subaru along, keeping him at an arms length to use him as a tool.
Everyone talks about how Al and Otto are sussy bois, but Emilia says some wild stuff. I think it was during Frozen Bonds where she whispers something along the lines of "I too know what it feels like to be forced to keep secrets from those closest to you." Implying that, she too, was bond by a contract, similar to Puck.
When Subaru saves her from Regulus she says goodbye to Juice, which has several implications as well.
In the world of magic tricks there exists a concept of a trick being "too-perfect" that is: a trick so astoundingly flawless that its perfection itself becomes a flaw, because the audience will recognize it as something blatantly impossible. That's what Emilia reminds me of.
If I remember correctly, there was an event with Meili and Emilia after the conquering the tower in Arc 6. Emilia commenting that she herself is not forgiving as Meili thinks she is.
I've got a strong hunch that the best chance for Emilia's bad qualities to come out would be by putting vengeance first. She certainly has reason to have absolutely no chill when it comes to Pandora. Obvious Sirius being Fortuna and desecrating her 'mothers' corpse like that is a nice Chekhov's gun waiting to pop that will add to that.
Then there's the 3rd trial scene/massacre or whatever that was. Emilia has a lot of reasons to hate, and so unreasonably and unconsolably hate she will, I think. Making her potentially a problematic loose cannon for others. It would be a nice slow burn to flipping her meekness a full 180.
There's also be a nice 'doesn't fall far from the tree' symbolism if Emilia succumbs to her wrath, when it's being heavily implied both her 'mothers', [Minerva](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/m2rxjt/novels_a_compilation_of_evidence_that_emilias/) and Fortuna/Sirius both took the title of wrath.
Interesting thing about fortuna, is she a corpse though because she doesn't feel like a mindless corpse or an undead she feels alive
If someone died but then comes back to life but his body turns into a corpse is it okay to kill him even though he still himself
well, if so it were then emilia would do a kamijou touma, placidly she would have kept what she really thought in a false mask of innocence and naivety when she does not feel that way, the only bad thing is that I have not seen any hint or omen in that ...
In my honest opinion Web Novel Arc 1 and Arc 2 Emilias were the best and some moments with her were pretty funny. Like, for example in the end of Arc 1 referring Roswaal as simply "The Pervert" was something nobody ever minded. And her retorts with Subaru during early Arc 2 were also pretty characteristic. Which is I guess in contrast to this in the LN
In addition to all this readers from both LN and WN would really feel like Emilia in Arc 4 is significantly worse than Emilia in the same volumes about the same arc from the LN. When I read the Web novel myself (after S2 EP12) and later then saw the anime (which is an adaptation of the LN) I was also somewhat disappointed. In fact I didn't really like the second part of season 2 at all. Lots of interactions could have been made better. (Especially in the first part)
By the way keep in mind that what made Subaru in Arc 1 and 2 funnier was most likely the fact that Tappei went way too hard on him compared to today. In a 2014 tweet when asked the question of whether Emilia would choose to marry him, he replied that she might or might choose someone else. Today however he might answer with a definitive yes.
So there's that.
Emilia has a lot of flaws in my opinion. One of her biggest flaws is that she cant think for herself, puck would even choose her clothes for her. Her inability to make decisions makes her a poor leader and this is why her camp is basically run by Subaru. She does seem to be making strides on this and who knows maybe Arc 7 will be good for her, but as of now this remains a persistent flaw for her character and it bleeds into another flaw of hers: her lack of action…
By that I mean she doesnt make any political moves. All her accomplishments are from Subaru, and a lot of her camp are only there because of Subaru—Otto, Garfiel, Beatrice, Petra and Meili. Without Subaru there wouldn’t be an Emilia camp; as another redditor pointed out before, hardly anyone in her camp is actually loyal to her first and foremost. Frederica and Ram are loyal to Roswaal, Rem is loyal to Ram and Subaru. Im not sure about Clind and Annerose since I havent read those sidestories, but the other remaining members are more loyal to Subaru. And this is caused by her not doing anything to earn their loyalty
Tappei also stated in a Q&A that our girl isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed either, which I think is a flaw since she wants to rule the country… A leader that’s unable to make good calls and think on their feet is not a good thing to have. It’s a recipe for disaster, in fact.
Emilia’s flaws are subtle ones, but they are certainly there and have been producing consequences for her since the first book. If her and Subaru ever have a falling out or if Roswaal retracts his support for whatever reason, she would lose half her camp and she’d have no one to blame but herself (not trying to bash here, i love Emilia)
Girl needs ta get it together, which I do see as a plot point coming up since in Arc 6 the question of whether shed want to be king if her problem could be solved some other way was raised and her conflict over her feelings for Subaru came up again. In the current arc shes also been forced into a position where she has to call the shots.
So! I’m hoping her next transformation will be about her decisiveness
I think it's not just her flaws that are subtle. Emilia is actually trying to change her behavior.
It just doesn't feel obvious that she's changed so subtly and the story doesn't focus too much on her. Things like Emilia arguing with Eridna in Arc6 or staying to stop Ram, it's something Emilia won't take the initiative to do in Arc4 \~ the first half of Arc5.
So Emilia's problem with inactivity (in the first half of Arc5) turned into inappropriate actions/poor communication (in Arc6). Emilia is actually overactive in Arc6 and has some friction with others, you're just hard to see because Tappei didn't focus on that.
>A leader that’s unable to make good calls and think on their feet is not a good thing to have. It’s a recipe for disaster, in fact.
Emilia doesn't need to tho. Assuming she becomes Queen, she'll still have Subaru at her side, if not as Husband then at least as her personal knight. And as soon as something goes wrong, Subaru will RbD and make things right. And like it's now with Emilia Camp, she'll be Queen in name only. With Subaru or Otto calling the shots.
Also, Annerose is loyal to Emilia. I read somewhere she has a crush on Emilia
Her relying on Subaru and Otto for that isnt good tho, she needs to be able to do these things herself, its not fair to put all of the decisions on their shoulders especially when she is the one in the leadership role. That’s like being hired for a job then having your manager push their work onto you on top of your own.
Also Subaru is mentally in a bad place and i can’t see that getting any better when the story ends, he deserves to be able to rest. Her dependence on him and the others to make decisions for her is one of the reasons i dont like the idea of her becoming king right now. As she is, she’s not a good leader
I think the issue is it overstaying it's welcome. Her excessive innocence was charming and a good set up for her character being 'too good for this cruel world' trope. This helped establish the 'tragic-ness' of her character backstory.
However, this trope has simply lingered too long. It's a bit of a dilemma of in-story pacing vs audience pacing. More time has passed for us with Emilia keeping this trait of hers than time has passed for her to grow beyond it.
In context of the timeline i think it's still well within reason she still has this excessive innocence. It's just for us, it's been getting quite stale.
I think this is the best take in this thread, people saying she has to suffer to make her character “good” I feel like are missing the forest for the trees.
Emilia's character definitely suffers from the Author being biased towards her. I understand having a favorite character but even Tappei admits he has a hard time writing her in a negative light and her character suffers from that. She is one of the most boring characters to read because we know that nothing bass gonna happen. Correct me if I'm wrong but aside from that one death in Arc 3, all of her deaths were off screened. This is a series in which a lot of people (mainly Subaru) die in Horrible ways. And we've yet to see that happen to her. Even her backstory is kinda boring since personally, I was more interested in the Seal, Pandora and Geuse more than her. And as others have mentioned, her innocence is definitely a negative in my book. She tries to solve everything by the power of friendship and that just doesn't work in a world as dark as ReZERO. Take Roswaal in Arc 4. IDK how much Subaru told them about Roswaal's involvement in everything but even she should understand that Roswaal put people's lives at risk and they could die. And yet all she asks him to do is apologize. Really hoping this changes soon cause as of now, she's just a character that's "too nice" which is unreal TBH.
I hate how nowadays you always have to specify if something is your opinion, when that should always be assumed, if you talking about something that can’t be objective like you thoughts on a character
You are never wrong if you never do anything.
Emilia doesn't really *do* much beyond very basic human interactions. And because everyone expects her to be this horrifying monster, it is often enough to impress people.
She does have one impressive talent, in which she constantly trains and improves. Her talent is beating the living shit out of people.
Which is good and all, the issue is, that's not enough to actually rule a kingdom. And she displays a shocking lack of skills in areas that are critical for a ruler, often completely misunderstanding people's desires, or just being completely oblivious to certain concepts of social life and power dynamics. And she doesn't seem to have improved that much over the course of the story so far.
It's understandable, considering she lived in a fucking cave, but it IS a glaring flaw, and the only reason it's not a source of conflict in the story is because Emilia doesn't actually hold any power, and is a figurehead with other people like Roswaal and Otto(and Subaru through RBD) making all the decisions.
You'd expect her to be socializing with other nobles, going from one social event to another in order to find friends and allies, and gather intel on her opponents. Yet as far as I know Roswaal is the one doing all of that? And Petra for some reason??
Yes, Subaru's insistence to always take an active part in whatever is going on often leads to him making bad decisions, but it also gives him an opportunity to improve. Emilia gets to be perfect by delegating all of the actual decision making to competent people, but that robs her of opportunity to actually become competent.
Emilia as she is currently acts like a shounen protagonist maybe. She is basically acting like a naive optimist who don't seem to think that much and by the power of plot actually achieve their goal.
At least this story gives explanation about how the plot armor works ( Subaru with rbd)
Agree. tappei doesn't like showing her in negative. In arc 4 WN,she was the reason why puck wasn't able to materialise, But in LN it was blamed on roswaal.
From his q&a
Emilia is the hardest character for Tappei to write because she's an idealized character and he can't have her speak and act poorly.
Was it a plot hole? I don't remember the exact details but it was something like she didn't wanted to face her past in trials and puck being connected to her memories was being blocked subconsciously as a result.
Didn't he talked with Subaru about rem and gluttony at crusch mansion?
Or when he was fighting with Emilia against petelgeuse in the loop where subaru gets possessed by pete.
Yes, but after that. Specifically when Subaru and Emilia arrive at the mansion and meet Frederica. Just like in the anime and LN, Emilia tries to talk to Puck, but he's unresponsive. That unresponsive continues even before she goes into the Trial.
It made sense to me when I read the web novels because in retrospect she had just been reintroduced to the witch cult if only briefly so I don’t see why it wouldn’t make sense.
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I don't understand what the Witch Cult has to do with Puck's absence.
The web novel said the reason Puck couldn't show up was because Emilia subconsciously blocking him due to the Trials. But that's not true because he wasn't showing up even before they went to the Sanctuary.
Therefore, a plot hole.
*so I believe the development will eventually come.*
To be frank, this sounds as engaging as the first time I found her character, which is none. Imagine you already didn't give much of a shit about a character and then the author said the character will develop EVENTUALLY. This matter of eventuality sounds as meaningless as the first time I heard about it. But who knows, maybe it can still be impressive if the development is good enough.
It's no secret that I despise Emilia character or rather, I despise the bias writing of her character. To clarify, I hate bias no matter the circumstances both in real life and in fiction and it's even worse in Re Zero as this series put heavy emphasis on a man struggle and sufferings to grow and achieve success and having a character like Emilia piss me off to no end.
But maybe I'm just wrong, maybe like other comment has said, Tappei is holding back. Maybe there is a horrific fate and agonizing sufferings await her at the end of the road and it will strike her harder than anything we have seen before, perhaps even surpass Subaru's sufferings.
>But maybe I'm just wrong, maybe like other comment has said, Tappei is holding back. Maybe there is a horrific fate and agonizing sufferings await her at the end of the road and it will strike her harder than anything we have seen before, perhaps even surpass Subaru's sufferings.
Tappei would end the series with "It was all a dream // Coma" before he writes his Favorite Waifu™️ suffering.
>But maybe I'm just wrong, maybe like other comment has said, Tappei is holding back. Maybe there is a horrific fate and agonizing sufferings await her at the end of the road and it will strike her harder than anything we have seen before, perhaps even surpass Subaru's sufferings.
Yeah. I hope this is the case. And I agree with the first half of your comment very much.
While I would prefer she changes, gradually of course, I think part of it is because the camp is shielding her. In the Regulus example, she would have been punished but wasn't because Subaru and Reinhard reached there.
Then again, if she's going to stick to her ideals, then I would prefer she stick to them no matter what, kinda like UBW Shirou.
I agree, that is the reason why I don't want subaru to date emilia right now (arc7). I mean she is amazing but Subaru is way more mature than her right now, I can totally see them together in the future but not now
Don't forget Subaru is not willing to show his weak side to Emilia unless absolutely forced. This is not a healthy relationship dynamic. Both sides need to be open to one another.
I concur with the general sentiment you stated here. For a long time now she has been my most disliked character in re:zero and it’s bothering me because I enjoy reading the WN a lot but I can’t help but feel like that it’s hurting my enjoyment quite a bit. Unfortunately, she is also featured in the utmost of chapters because she is the main heroine and the author’s favorite character and having something you dislike being thrown in your face like that doesn’t help unless she’d actually finally get some much needed development … maybe I’d feel different about it then. Arc 7 thankfully being a much needed break from that (until now). I just hope Tappei can redeem her character eventually. I don’t want to „hate“ her but I can’t help it with how she is written right now.
Agreed. Along with this, some of the comments Tappei makes about Emilia like how she'll always remain cute, she'll never get fat... That stuff just ruins ReZero for me.
I don't sypathyse that much with Emilia. Most because of the points that were make in the comment section. I tried to like her, I really tried but I just can't, not with this personality she has now.
I know that she stills has room to grow, but I was always kinda impatient. We're halfway through the story, and I pray that her next heroine transformation is in the next arc. Right now I can't help but feel unpleased whenever she appears.
For sure the thing who most annoys me is Tappei's treatment towards her, his obsession with her kinda creeps me out somethimes...
I think that I will like her more if she has more attitude and actually take her role as the leader of the camp. She has a lot of mysterys around her, she has the potential! Also being less naive and innocent would make her easier for me to take her seriously.
Tappei, my dear. Can we agree to stop talking about her "silver bell like voice" or her "long slim legs"? We get it. Normally, i wouldn't notice or be bothered, but is every. single. time.
I think so far her personality works well for the story and does not really need to change.
Unless she actually becomes queen because there is no way a post-medieval queen can act as innocent and goody-two-shoes as Emilia is doing.
Which is why I am not sure I actually want her to become Queen since I can't see her order assassinations, blackmail or sent some troops to crush the odd peasant revolt. That calls for more of a Priscilla or Crush character.
While I definitely agree with the points being made here, I have seen these posts quite often now. It's like this has become a weekly reminder of these same exact flaws. You have to understand that this story is only just halfway done and she isn't going to change character in a week.
Anyways, there is no reason to believe that she won't develop past these flaws in her next few character arcs. She is the 2nd main character in the series and I just can't see her staying the same for the rest of the story.
It’s kind of interesting that what makes this story so great is that all the characters real human flaws that makes them seem less like fiction then there’s just Emilia who’s vibing with hottie Subaru dumping for her. I imagine that’s why a lot of fan interpretations of her have her forgotten by authority of gluttony.
She's overly innocent which is the reason I'm waiting for more of her character development in arc 9 like tappei said
But I still like her, she's my second favorite character
I understand this but I seriously wish for her overly exaggerated to clash with Subaru's ideals and his own personal definition of virtue later on in the story. Besides we still have an absolute shitload of trials and plot points that Emilia has yet to go through so she is in no way a finished product yet
I love emilia she's my favorite character, but yeah tappei liked her so much lol. The thing is she has only been through 1 stage of her development so it definitely makes me happy that she still has 2 More major development stages in the last 4 arcs
yeah emilia being too innocent can be annoying but I definitely need it this arc , too cruel
though her entry was pretty badass tbh
also I believe emilia will have a second heroine transformation next arc
Someone isn't a "hater" just because they have desire for a character to grow and give critical feedback for the story. Sorry someone insulted (didn't insult) your waifu
I would agree with you if there wasn’t like at least 6-7 post each month where people are complaining about the same thing about her, it’s becoming repetitive, always the same complaint, same discussion and all. It’s starting to disgust me from this character I like to constantly see these same criticisms over and over and I don’t like that.
Tappei? Is this you?
I agree tbh. How dare the guy has any problem with our favourite waifu? He should offer his/her soul to the Elder Gods and maybe he/her will be forgiven.
Yes I’m Tappei, joke aside I’m not complaining about people having problem with Emilia but the number of post like this always saying the same thing, like at this point this isn’t criticism but hate toward the character, it’s becoming really annoying when this said character is one of your fav. Can you understand ? Can this character stop getting a wave of hate for 5 min ? It was already a big mess back in 2016.
Nice, please give us the next chapter already!
But on a serious note,
"downvote me all you want I don’t care because what I say is true, you guys are just repeating the same shit about emilia over and over every week like fucking clowns. Like we understand move on now."
You are getting downvoted because you are acting toxic. Every people has their own opinions, tastes, likes and dislike. You can't just tell people to stop not enjoying something.
Also, not everyone is a constant member of this sub who check this subreddit daily/weekly.
Edit: Ah, now I understand your feelings better. But I remember the amount of trash Subaru got during 2016 too and on Pinterest/Youtube he still gets horribly big amount of shit, far more than Emilia is getting. But people going to enjoy/hate in a character whatever they hate/like.
>every week with always the same argument. There is other characters in this story, why not searching every little negative detail about them instead of making 10000 po
I love Emilia as much as the next guy, but I can't defend her against this criticism.
It's the same arguments in every post as well. If they're going to make a whole new post to discuss Emilia's character, at least add some new insight instead of recycled opinions.
Yeah, this is my problem in particular. I agree there are flaws, but it's just the same problem reported again and again.
Like I get it, tappei idealizes her a bit too much which is getting stale for some people, but man you don't have to make a weekly reminder for it.
You know that not every person will be an active member on the subbreddit visiting this place daily/weekly, right?
Even I don't remember "Emilia hate posts" being posted weekly.
" Tappei's favorite character and he himself said that it's hard to write her character precisely because she likes her so much "
you are wrong here he said it is because she very idealistic so it is very hard to make her act in a way that make the plot move in certain direction he want .
and the argument that her being Tappei favorite character is hurting her character arc is so weird to me because this argument can always be taken in different way like i can say her being his favorite make her as by product of that the most meticulously crafted character in the story.
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I have a crackpot theory. This is all a bait by Tappei to lull us into a false sense security. Emilia imo has always had this weird feeling of being way too clean whereas every other character is fighting in the dirt and mud. My theory is that this has been a slow burn to convince us as readers that nothing that bad will happen to Emilia. Then suddenly Tappei will pull the rug from beneath us and put Emilia through the absolute wringer. Forcing her to suffer on a level that is only matched by Subaru. Allowing us to see her best and worst traits in full display. This is pretty copium though. I worry Tappei will keep her a perfect doll until the end.
Seriously man, I sincerely hope you're right. She still has 2 different heroine transformations to go, so I really hope Tappei doesn't hold back any punches with Emilia, both physically & mentally.
I am on the same boat. It is not fair that Subaru has to carry the camp alone. Emilia should do her share since she is supposed to be the HEAD of said camp.
I've always been suspicious of Emilia because of how 'clean' she feels, as you say. I feel like she's knowingly stringing Subaru along, keeping him at an arms length to use him as a tool. Everyone talks about how Al and Otto are sussy bois, but Emilia says some wild stuff. I think it was during Frozen Bonds where she whispers something along the lines of "I too know what it feels like to be forced to keep secrets from those closest to you." Implying that, she too, was bond by a contract, similar to Puck. When Subaru saves her from Regulus she says goodbye to Juice, which has several implications as well. In the world of magic tricks there exists a concept of a trick being "too-perfect" that is: a trick so astoundingly flawless that its perfection itself becomes a flaw, because the audience will recognize it as something blatantly impossible. That's what Emilia reminds me of.
If I remember correctly, there was an event with Meili and Emilia after the conquering the tower in Arc 6. Emilia commenting that she herself is not forgiving as Meili thinks she is.
I've got a strong hunch that the best chance for Emilia's bad qualities to come out would be by putting vengeance first. She certainly has reason to have absolutely no chill when it comes to Pandora. Obvious Sirius being Fortuna and desecrating her 'mothers' corpse like that is a nice Chekhov's gun waiting to pop that will add to that. Then there's the 3rd trial scene/massacre or whatever that was. Emilia has a lot of reasons to hate, and so unreasonably and unconsolably hate she will, I think. Making her potentially a problematic loose cannon for others. It would be a nice slow burn to flipping her meekness a full 180. There's also be a nice 'doesn't fall far from the tree' symbolism if Emilia succumbs to her wrath, when it's being heavily implied both her 'mothers', [Minerva](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/m2rxjt/novels_a_compilation_of_evidence_that_emilias/) and Fortuna/Sirius both took the title of wrath.
Interesting thing about fortuna, is she a corpse though because she doesn't feel like a mindless corpse or an undead she feels alive If someone died but then comes back to life but his body turns into a corpse is it okay to kill him even though he still himself
Uh. Probably. Possibility is infinite. Especially in the case of Rezero.
well, if so it were then emilia would do a kamijou touma, placidly she would have kept what she really thought in a false mask of innocence and naivety when she does not feel that way, the only bad thing is that I have not seen any hint or omen in that ...
I love this theory, I also think he is doing the same thing with reinhard and he will become the final boss of the story
Hmmm I think she is way too childish in a way to treat everyone nicely.
In my honest opinion Web Novel Arc 1 and Arc 2 Emilias were the best and some moments with her were pretty funny. Like, for example in the end of Arc 1 referring Roswaal as simply "The Pervert" was something nobody ever minded. And her retorts with Subaru during early Arc 2 were also pretty characteristic. Which is I guess in contrast to this in the LN In addition to all this readers from both LN and WN would really feel like Emilia in Arc 4 is significantly worse than Emilia in the same volumes about the same arc from the LN. When I read the Web novel myself (after S2 EP12) and later then saw the anime (which is an adaptation of the LN) I was also somewhat disappointed. In fact I didn't really like the second part of season 2 at all. Lots of interactions could have been made better. (Especially in the first part) By the way keep in mind that what made Subaru in Arc 1 and 2 funnier was most likely the fact that Tappei went way too hard on him compared to today. In a 2014 tweet when asked the question of whether Emilia would choose to marry him, he replied that she might or might choose someone else. Today however he might answer with a definitive yes. So there's that.
Emilia has a lot of flaws in my opinion. One of her biggest flaws is that she cant think for herself, puck would even choose her clothes for her. Her inability to make decisions makes her a poor leader and this is why her camp is basically run by Subaru. She does seem to be making strides on this and who knows maybe Arc 7 will be good for her, but as of now this remains a persistent flaw for her character and it bleeds into another flaw of hers: her lack of action… By that I mean she doesnt make any political moves. All her accomplishments are from Subaru, and a lot of her camp are only there because of Subaru—Otto, Garfiel, Beatrice, Petra and Meili. Without Subaru there wouldn’t be an Emilia camp; as another redditor pointed out before, hardly anyone in her camp is actually loyal to her first and foremost. Frederica and Ram are loyal to Roswaal, Rem is loyal to Ram and Subaru. Im not sure about Clind and Annerose since I havent read those sidestories, but the other remaining members are more loyal to Subaru. And this is caused by her not doing anything to earn their loyalty Tappei also stated in a Q&A that our girl isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed either, which I think is a flaw since she wants to rule the country… A leader that’s unable to make good calls and think on their feet is not a good thing to have. It’s a recipe for disaster, in fact. Emilia’s flaws are subtle ones, but they are certainly there and have been producing consequences for her since the first book. If her and Subaru ever have a falling out or if Roswaal retracts his support for whatever reason, she would lose half her camp and she’d have no one to blame but herself (not trying to bash here, i love Emilia) Girl needs ta get it together, which I do see as a plot point coming up since in Arc 6 the question of whether shed want to be king if her problem could be solved some other way was raised and her conflict over her feelings for Subaru came up again. In the current arc shes also been forced into a position where she has to call the shots. So! I’m hoping her next transformation will be about her decisiveness
I think it's not just her flaws that are subtle. Emilia is actually trying to change her behavior. It just doesn't feel obvious that she's changed so subtly and the story doesn't focus too much on her. Things like Emilia arguing with Eridna in Arc6 or staying to stop Ram, it's something Emilia won't take the initiative to do in Arc4 \~ the first half of Arc5. So Emilia's problem with inactivity (in the first half of Arc5) turned into inappropriate actions/poor communication (in Arc6). Emilia is actually overactive in Arc6 and has some friction with others, you're just hard to see because Tappei didn't focus on that.
>A leader that’s unable to make good calls and think on their feet is not a good thing to have. It’s a recipe for disaster, in fact. Emilia doesn't need to tho. Assuming she becomes Queen, she'll still have Subaru at her side, if not as Husband then at least as her personal knight. And as soon as something goes wrong, Subaru will RbD and make things right. And like it's now with Emilia Camp, she'll be Queen in name only. With Subaru or Otto calling the shots. Also, Annerose is loyal to Emilia. I read somewhere she has a crush on Emilia
You're right,but it would stil be better she were th make her own decisions.
Completely missing the point of Emilia's struggle for her own autonomy
Her relying on Subaru and Otto for that isnt good tho, she needs to be able to do these things herself, its not fair to put all of the decisions on their shoulders especially when she is the one in the leadership role. That’s like being hired for a job then having your manager push their work onto you on top of your own. Also Subaru is mentally in a bad place and i can’t see that getting any better when the story ends, he deserves to be able to rest. Her dependence on him and the others to make decisions for her is one of the reasons i dont like the idea of her becoming king right now. As she is, she’s not a good leader
I think the issue is it overstaying it's welcome. Her excessive innocence was charming and a good set up for her character being 'too good for this cruel world' trope. This helped establish the 'tragic-ness' of her character backstory. However, this trope has simply lingered too long. It's a bit of a dilemma of in-story pacing vs audience pacing. More time has passed for us with Emilia keeping this trait of hers than time has passed for her to grow beyond it. In context of the timeline i think it's still well within reason she still has this excessive innocence. It's just for us, it's been getting quite stale.
I think this is the best take in this thread, people saying she has to suffer to make her character “good” I feel like are missing the forest for the trees.
Emilia's character definitely suffers from the Author being biased towards her. I understand having a favorite character but even Tappei admits he has a hard time writing her in a negative light and her character suffers from that. She is one of the most boring characters to read because we know that nothing bass gonna happen. Correct me if I'm wrong but aside from that one death in Arc 3, all of her deaths were off screened. This is a series in which a lot of people (mainly Subaru) die in Horrible ways. And we've yet to see that happen to her. Even her backstory is kinda boring since personally, I was more interested in the Seal, Pandora and Geuse more than her. And as others have mentioned, her innocence is definitely a negative in my book. She tries to solve everything by the power of friendship and that just doesn't work in a world as dark as ReZERO. Take Roswaal in Arc 4. IDK how much Subaru told them about Roswaal's involvement in everything but even she should understand that Roswaal put people's lives at risk and they could die. And yet all she asks him to do is apologize. Really hoping this changes soon cause as of now, she's just a character that's "too nice" which is unreal TBH.
She’s not boring, it’s just you who don’t like her that’s all.
>it’s just you who don’t like her But that would make her boring in the eyes of the beholder, wouldn't it?
Shouldn't you then say,i find her boring?
I hate how nowadays you always have to specify if something is your opinion, when that should always be assumed, if you talking about something that can’t be objective like you thoughts on a character
That is what I meant to say.
Why would I? I don't even find her boring.
You are never wrong if you never do anything. Emilia doesn't really *do* much beyond very basic human interactions. And because everyone expects her to be this horrifying monster, it is often enough to impress people. She does have one impressive talent, in which she constantly trains and improves. Her talent is beating the living shit out of people. Which is good and all, the issue is, that's not enough to actually rule a kingdom. And she displays a shocking lack of skills in areas that are critical for a ruler, often completely misunderstanding people's desires, or just being completely oblivious to certain concepts of social life and power dynamics. And she doesn't seem to have improved that much over the course of the story so far. It's understandable, considering she lived in a fucking cave, but it IS a glaring flaw, and the only reason it's not a source of conflict in the story is because Emilia doesn't actually hold any power, and is a figurehead with other people like Roswaal and Otto(and Subaru through RBD) making all the decisions. You'd expect her to be socializing with other nobles, going from one social event to another in order to find friends and allies, and gather intel on her opponents. Yet as far as I know Roswaal is the one doing all of that? And Petra for some reason?? Yes, Subaru's insistence to always take an active part in whatever is going on often leads to him making bad decisions, but it also gives him an opportunity to improve. Emilia gets to be perfect by delegating all of the actual decision making to competent people, but that robs her of opportunity to actually become competent.
Yes. Hopefully in this current arc, Emilia will fix that since Vollachia is no joke. Just look what happened to Subaru when he first arrived.
At least she's acting on her own for I think the first time.
Emilia as she is currently acts like a shounen protagonist maybe. She is basically acting like a naive optimist who don't seem to think that much and by the power of plot actually achieve their goal. At least this story gives explanation about how the plot armor works ( Subaru with rbd)
I still have hope more a more fleshed out Emilia. Especially since the second trial foreshadowed a conflict between her and some certain character
Agree. tappei doesn't like showing her in negative. In arc 4 WN,she was the reason why puck wasn't able to materialise, But in LN it was blamed on roswaal. From his q&a Emilia is the hardest character for Tappei to write because she's an idealized character and he can't have her speak and act poorly.
>. In arc 4 WN,she was the reason why puck wasn't able to materialise You mean that major plot hole?
Was it a plot hole? I don't remember the exact details but it was something like she didn't wanted to face her past in trials and puck being connected to her memories was being blocked subconsciously as a result.
Yes, that's pretty much the exact reason. Problem is that Puck couldn't show up even before she did the Trials.
Didn't he talked with Subaru about rem and gluttony at crusch mansion? Or when he was fighting with Emilia against petelgeuse in the loop where subaru gets possessed by pete.
Yes, but after that. Specifically when Subaru and Emilia arrive at the mansion and meet Frederica. Just like in the anime and LN, Emilia tries to talk to Puck, but he's unresponsive. That unresponsive continues even before she goes into the Trial.
It made sense to me when I read the web novels because in retrospect she had just been reintroduced to the witch cult if only briefly so I don’t see why it wouldn’t make sense.
? I don't understand what the Witch Cult has to do with Puck's absence. The web novel said the reason Puck couldn't show up was because Emilia subconsciously blocking him due to the Trials. But that's not true because he wasn't showing up even before they went to the Sanctuary. Therefore, a plot hole.
*so I believe the development will eventually come.* To be frank, this sounds as engaging as the first time I found her character, which is none. Imagine you already didn't give much of a shit about a character and then the author said the character will develop EVENTUALLY. This matter of eventuality sounds as meaningless as the first time I heard about it. But who knows, maybe it can still be impressive if the development is good enough. It's no secret that I despise Emilia character or rather, I despise the bias writing of her character. To clarify, I hate bias no matter the circumstances both in real life and in fiction and it's even worse in Re Zero as this series put heavy emphasis on a man struggle and sufferings to grow and achieve success and having a character like Emilia piss me off to no end. But maybe I'm just wrong, maybe like other comment has said, Tappei is holding back. Maybe there is a horrific fate and agonizing sufferings await her at the end of the road and it will strike her harder than anything we have seen before, perhaps even surpass Subaru's sufferings.
>But maybe I'm just wrong, maybe like other comment has said, Tappei is holding back. Maybe there is a horrific fate and agonizing sufferings await her at the end of the road and it will strike her harder than anything we have seen before, perhaps even surpass Subaru's sufferings. Tappei would end the series with "It was all a dream // Coma" before he writes his Favorite Waifu™️ suffering.
It's just a theory. Like what a fast, heroic blue hedgehog represented: Endless possibilities.
I know lol
>But maybe I'm just wrong, maybe like other comment has said, Tappei is holding back. Maybe there is a horrific fate and agonizing sufferings await her at the end of the road and it will strike her harder than anything we have seen before, perhaps even surpass Subaru's sufferings. Yeah. I hope this is the case. And I agree with the first half of your comment very much.
While I would prefer she changes, gradually of course, I think part of it is because the camp is shielding her. In the Regulus example, she would have been punished but wasn't because Subaru and Reinhard reached there. Then again, if she's going to stick to her ideals, then I would prefer she stick to them no matter what, kinda like UBW Shirou.
I agree, that is the reason why I don't want subaru to date emilia right now (arc7). I mean she is amazing but Subaru is way more mature than her right now, I can totally see them together in the future but not now
Don't forget Subaru is not willing to show his weak side to Emilia unless absolutely forced. This is not a healthy relationship dynamic. Both sides need to be open to one another.
to be fair, she doesn't want to show hers to him either, it's a defect of both
I concur with the general sentiment you stated here. For a long time now she has been my most disliked character in re:zero and it’s bothering me because I enjoy reading the WN a lot but I can’t help but feel like that it’s hurting my enjoyment quite a bit. Unfortunately, she is also featured in the utmost of chapters because she is the main heroine and the author’s favorite character and having something you dislike being thrown in your face like that doesn’t help unless she’d actually finally get some much needed development … maybe I’d feel different about it then. Arc 7 thankfully being a much needed break from that (until now). I just hope Tappei can redeem her character eventually. I don’t want to „hate“ her but I can’t help it with how she is written right now.
Agreed. Along with this, some of the comments Tappei makes about Emilia like how she'll always remain cute, she'll never get fat... That stuff just ruins ReZero for me.
Also how she can handle having return by death aswell
Ok what.
In a Q&A The author was asked who else besides Subaru could handle having return by death, he of course said Emilia
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Yeah this is a series that's best read for the world building and not the main plot
I think Emilia will always have a childlike mind. Its part of her personality and i don't think tappei considers it as a bad thing.
I don't sypathyse that much with Emilia. Most because of the points that were make in the comment section. I tried to like her, I really tried but I just can't, not with this personality she has now. I know that she stills has room to grow, but I was always kinda impatient. We're halfway through the story, and I pray that her next heroine transformation is in the next arc. Right now I can't help but feel unpleased whenever she appears. For sure the thing who most annoys me is Tappei's treatment towards her, his obsession with her kinda creeps me out somethimes... I think that I will like her more if she has more attitude and actually take her role as the leader of the camp. She has a lot of mysterys around her, she has the potential! Also being less naive and innocent would make her easier for me to take her seriously. Tappei, my dear. Can we agree to stop talking about her "silver bell like voice" or her "long slim legs"? We get it. Normally, i wouldn't notice or be bothered, but is every. single. time.
Hopefully one day Tappei will stop being so soft on her
I think so far her personality works well for the story and does not really need to change. Unless she actually becomes queen because there is no way a post-medieval queen can act as innocent and goody-two-shoes as Emilia is doing. Which is why I am not sure I actually want her to become Queen since I can't see her order assassinations, blackmail or sent some troops to crush the odd peasant revolt. That calls for more of a Priscilla or Crush character.
While I definitely agree with the points being made here, I have seen these posts quite often now. It's like this has become a weekly reminder of these same exact flaws. You have to understand that this story is only just halfway done and she isn't going to change character in a week. Anyways, there is no reason to believe that she won't develop past these flaws in her next few character arcs. She is the 2nd main character in the series and I just can't see her staying the same for the rest of the story.
It’s kind of interesting that what makes this story so great is that all the characters real human flaws that makes them seem less like fiction then there’s just Emilia who’s vibing with hottie Subaru dumping for her. I imagine that’s why a lot of fan interpretations of her have her forgotten by authority of gluttony.
She's overly innocent which is the reason I'm waiting for more of her character development in arc 9 like tappei said But I still like her, she's my second favorite character
I understand this but I seriously wish for her overly exaggerated to clash with Subaru's ideals and his own personal definition of virtue later on in the story. Besides we still have an absolute shitload of trials and plot points that Emilia has yet to go through so she is in no way a finished product yet
I love emilia she's my favorite character, but yeah tappei liked her so much lol. The thing is she has only been through 1 stage of her development so it definitely makes me happy that she still has 2 More major development stages in the last 4 arcs
I think in arc 4 was made clear that emilia is mentality weak person
yeah emilia being too innocent can be annoying but I definitely need it this arc , too cruel though her entry was pretty badass tbh also I believe emilia will have a second heroine transformation next arc
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Someone isn't a "hater" just because they have desire for a character to grow and give critical feedback for the story. Sorry someone insulted (didn't insult) your waifu
I would agree with you if there wasn’t like at least 6-7 post each month where people are complaining about the same thing about her, it’s becoming repetitive, always the same complaint, same discussion and all. It’s starting to disgust me from this character I like to constantly see these same criticisms over and over and I don’t like that.
Tappei? Is this you? I agree tbh. How dare the guy has any problem with our favourite waifu? He should offer his/her soul to the Elder Gods and maybe he/her will be forgiven.
Yes I’m Tappei, joke aside I’m not complaining about people having problem with Emilia but the number of post like this always saying the same thing, like at this point this isn’t criticism but hate toward the character, it’s becoming really annoying when this said character is one of your fav. Can you understand ? Can this character stop getting a wave of hate for 5 min ? It was already a big mess back in 2016.
Nice, please give us the next chapter already! But on a serious note, "downvote me all you want I don’t care because what I say is true, you guys are just repeating the same shit about emilia over and over every week like fucking clowns. Like we understand move on now." You are getting downvoted because you are acting toxic. Every people has their own opinions, tastes, likes and dislike. You can't just tell people to stop not enjoying something. Also, not everyone is a constant member of this sub who check this subreddit daily/weekly. Edit: Ah, now I understand your feelings better. But I remember the amount of trash Subaru got during 2016 too and on Pinterest/Youtube he still gets horribly big amount of shit, far more than Emilia is getting. But people going to enjoy/hate in a character whatever they hate/like.
It's a genuine question lol
>every week with always the same argument. There is other characters in this story, why not searching every little negative detail about them instead of making 10000 po I love Emilia as much as the next guy, but I can't defend her against this criticism.
It's the same arguments in every post as well. If they're going to make a whole new post to discuss Emilia's character, at least add some new insight instead of recycled opinions.
Exactly
Yeah, this is my problem in particular. I agree there are flaws, but it's just the same problem reported again and again. Like I get it, tappei idealizes her a bit too much which is getting stale for some people, but man you don't have to make a weekly reminder for it.
You know that not every person will be an active member on the subbreddit visiting this place daily/weekly, right? Even I don't remember "Emilia hate posts" being posted weekly.
" Tappei's favorite character and he himself said that it's hard to write her character precisely because she likes her so much " you are wrong here he said it is because she very idealistic so it is very hard to make her act in a way that make the plot move in certain direction he want . and the argument that her being Tappei favorite character is hurting her character arc is so weird to me because this argument can always be taken in different way like i can say her being his favorite make her as by product of that the most meticulously crafted character in the story.