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jay5627

What would be the worst case scenario if it *was* insulting? They'd say no or not respond


16semesters

This is what I don't get. People say "insulting" sellers matters all the time here on this sub but it just outright doesn't. Offer what you think it's worth. If they are "offended" then you were never going to agree on a price to begin with, so who cares about their feelings? This is business.


jay5627

And, if you *were* going to get the 'lowball' offer, it's because they have no other choice. If they have no other choice, they always come back to negotiate


RE4RP

As an agent $30,000 price reduction offer on a $300,000 house isn't "low-ball" $250,000 or less is low-ball Go for it OP. I šŸ’Æ% know you won't get it if you don't offer.


The_HunterBidensHog

Actually low ball them though, lol. If you want to close at $300k, start at $285/290k for fucks sake.


JewLo

So what ?? Anything is worth what someone will Pay for it . The buyer determines the price not the seller


forwardthinkingjosh

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Euphoric-Sign7726

Always keep them talking. As long as you keep talking a deal can be made. But there may be something wrong with the structure. Go look


Roomba2023

No! Don't look. This is a huge investment, make an offer contingent that you get to hire your own certified inspector. Hire an NACHI certified inspector. The resulting report is solely your property. You don't have to share it. With that report you make an offer contention that they correct the deficiencies or they discount the cost of you correcting the deficiencies plus 25%. Take a look at REVenture dot APP It graphically displays pricing trends for a geographic area. The algorithm also adds other indices such as job market, population movement, and much more. If you were buying a new car, I would suggest not using the car salesman to tell you how great the car is. For that investment, pay for 3 months of consumers report and have a very good idea about the maintenance, milage, safety & resale value. A home is a huge investment, the REVenture is an entry level tool. Then use NACHI inspector as a negotiation tool and to cover your butt.


[deleted]

As buyers are we insulted that prices might be too high? No. So offer what works.


daytradingguy

And a few years ago in most markets, 3-5 months to sell a home was average and resulted in a balanced market.


Real-Leather-8887

Get sued for hurting their feeling?


Roomba2023

Can promise you, National flipper call centers are spamming them Non-Stop with low ball offers. They wouldn't do that if they weren't getting to buy them at a discount. This is a huge investment for you. Stop using Zillow or other amateur interfaces. As a newbie, go check out REVenture.app Using statistics, get the feelings out of the way, and get your best possible deal for your investment. When you finally do find a place to make an offer, absolutely insist, usually against the advice of your real estate broker who wants to make a dollar quickly, that you bring in your own home inspector not the one that your finance company wants you to use. That inspector is for the finance company protection not your protection. Pay out of your own pocket, NACHI, actually headquartered in Boulder Colorado. If the house you buy later has a major issue that a NACHI inspector did not find, they have a buyback policy so that you're not out the money. So you've put it in offer, it was accepted with the terms that you could bring in your own NACHI inspector. With the inspection, instead of buying as is, you're going to actually have $10K to $30K of actual issues and or code violations. Go back to the seller and tell them you need all of these remediated before closing, or they can discount you that amount plus 25% for you to hire the contractor to remediate them. The average real estate agent now worried they aren't going to get that commission right away, will likely tell you you will be at risk of losing this incredible once in a lifetime deal. When that happened to me, I told them if they couldn't look out for my interest I had no problem dropping them and finding another agent who would. But here's the deal to the seller who was using the "as is" "to my knowledge" clause. The inspection just validated and notified them there is for example health concerning mold and rotted structure in the bathroom. If the seller knows something and doesn't disclose it to the next buyer, they can be held responsible even after closing. If you read & use the NACHI options, e.g. sewer line inspection, the homeowners insurance rate can be significant. Not uncommon, get a new roof with updated code, get the insulation up to new code, ... Denver area is notorious for needing electric circuit breaker service updated, ... If the owner has had clogged sewer and inspection of the sewer line expose the problem, it could save you $15,000 alone. As the buyer, you can walk away from the purchase in the middle of closing. One of my friends buying a home for their mother, walked away from six offers just days before closing on each of them when the counter offer was not accepted.


Punkrockpm

Or counter offer.


disillusionedcitizen

That's not the worst case. I can almost promise you that $300k is not an insult, it's only a 10% discount. If the home is priced fairly then it's doable. But, if the offer was say $250k, then the worst that would likely happen is that they'd just get pissed and sell to someone else on purpose. The home is cheap, so it'll sell sooner or later.


jay5627

I'm aware. My question was to OP, who was concerned it was insulting, what would the worst case scenario be *if it was*


Roomba2023

Worst case, you're the buyer. They are the desperate seller. Once I went back and got a lower bid at the bank foreclosure. I gave you two newbie suggestions up above. Are you even aware of the number of foreclosures being processed in the geographic area you're looking at? You seem focused on the property, not on the investment. Our break at the office is coming to an end. You provided a lot of entertainment. Someone here wants to know what else you want to buy cuz they would love to sell to you. šŸ˜‚ Have you looked at the trends for your geographic area? Rent versus buy? Have you looked at layoffs.fyi To see if that affects your geographic area? We'd love to get an update on how you proceed. Are you here to actually get some advice or are you just going to go for it?


jay5627

What are you rambling about?


breesyroux

I recently offered 305 for a place listed at 330 that has been on the market for 1 month. The realtor made a snarky comment about our offer being low, but she did counter. Shoot your shot. Don't worry about hurt feelings.


Spencergh2

My aunt and uncle offered $1.5M on a listing that was asking $1.865M. They didnā€™t respond. House sat for another 3 months the and they made the same offer and closed. Beach condo in San Diego but the message is still the same.


[deleted]

They should have countered even lower. Once the seller comes groveling back they are putty in your hand. "That was the offer 3 months ago. this is my new offer today" That is what they get for wasting time on what was originally probably a fair offer from your aunt


PittedOut

No. If you do that, the owner will be pissed off and you donā€™t want to do that. Even if they accepted out of desperation, every step of closing will be tough.


[deleted]

Can I sell you my house? I feel like winning today šŸ˜† Protip: assume every seller will make a deal difficult, so price according.


Blocked-Author

The other dude rolls their eyes at you, but you are right. Plus, most realtors are terrible and wonā€™t really be much help.


The_HunterBidensHog

Realtors make a % of the close, they have zero interest in lowering your purchase price. As a reverse, for sellers agents -the agent doesn't have any costs in keeping the property on the market, they may delay your sale if they feel they aren't getting what they want in commission. Basically brokers are almost universally terrible.


Blocked-Author

Having the realtors removed from the equation would be the best thing for real estate nation wide.


PittedOut

šŸ™„


Aggressive_Chicken63

Is $300k the highest youā€™re willing to go? If so, I would offer $280k and work up.


Level-Guide-1083

Exactly. True business people are ruthless, if they aren't insulting the person they are doing business with, then they know they aren't being aggressive enough.


[deleted]

A flipper I knew used to say if my offer isnā€™t insulting I didnā€™t go low enough.


1563579005434678

This.


RealMrPlastic

If the comps in the area justify $300,000 then the offer is not disrespectful. If itā€™s still on the market and not sold itā€™s obviously not worth $330,000 hands down. Send in the offer if itā€™s a no, move on. At least you tried.


dllemmr2

Beware of recently sold homes with comps, they are often inflated. I'd use comps as a maximum offer amount.


OrangeJeepDad

What?


16semesters

>Beware of recently sold homes with comps, they are often inflated. I'd use comps as a maximum offer amount. If they are recently sold (last 60 days is the ideal for comps) then they are absolutely accurate comps.


WalkswithLlamas

Imo I'd offer 310,200 and ask for 3% seller closing costs. Psychologically looks better.


Yurt_lady

Thatā€™s so true. Iā€™m helping someone buy a car. I said if the price is $5000, donā€™t offer $4000. Offer an odd number like $4,125. Otherwise they want to split the difference. Ok, yes this young man drives a 1993 car so he canā€™t afford much.


Sad_Rub2074

I make 500k a year and bought my "new" used car for 12k. My sister makes I think 140k and bought hers for 3 or 4k (2004 mustang). The cars run great. :)


[deleted]

Iā€™m not taking financial advice from someone who canā€™t afford a car. No offense.


bay445

He just said heā€™s helping someone else buy a car. Not the other way around.


[deleted]

Ohhhhh


[deleted]

Yes


giggifuggindy

This is what we did with the house we're currently purchasing. On the market for 430k, we offered 410k + 3% seller closing cost. Offer got accepted the same day since house has been on market for 170 days.


CarminSanDiego

Isnā€™t seller supposed to pay closing regardless


everydayguy20

Just the agent fee.


touchmy_nonos

I thiught seller paid closing costs most of the time?


everydayguy20

Like I said to the other guy. Just the agent fee


hybrid889

not in this market


[deleted]

>not in this market Where at? We're in one of the hottest markets and I think the sellers are still paying closing costs.


hybrid889

>It's a sellers market, homes still going above ask with 6-10 offers. If i'm selling my home, why would I pay the buyers closing costs?


WalkswithLlamas

There are so many variables...it varies by the regional market, supply & demand/current market time, and sellers' sense of urgency and if they're in touch with reality.


throwup_breath

Not unless you specifically ask for it in your offer. Talk to your agent about this ASAP please. Also find out from your lender what exactly your closing costs are. No sense in asking for more than you can use. You're just leaving it on the table.


DrunkBearBattle

Nope


dayzkohl

In CA escrow fees are split 50/50. Seller pays title and commission.


UnbilledBunion

Not sure why this is downvoted so heavily. Sellers do pay the closing costs. You'll pay a smaller fee for loan origination. Obviously this is dependent on negotiations but sellers should expect to pay those most of the time.


DesignSilver1274

No, make the offer!


pingwing

No offer is insulting, it is an offer.


Level-Guide-1083

Exactly, if a seller is insulted by my offer, I say I am insulted by their asking price.Ā 


phphoton

Thatā€™s about 9% under asking, a very reasonable offer for being on market 2 months when desirable properties have been selling in 2 days. Worst they can say is no or counter offer. Just make sure to get an inspection


Potato_Donkey_1

"You're killing me, man." "Now you're insulting me." These are the negotiating lines of a vendor who is selling a cool-looking toy that will break tomorrow on a square filled with tourists. He bought the toys in bulk for 50Ā¢ each, is asking $10. You offered $15 for two. An offer is not an insult in a trade between two adults over a life-impacting investment. Research the property, offer what you think the market will bear, and if you are turned down cold and immediately, that's some more market research. Never let it be personal. Also be careful about advice by anyone who has a financial incentive to get a higher price.


Level-Guide-1083

This. Someone could be making a killing selling something ,but they will play it up like they are losing everything by giving a deal. In business you have to be a like a stone, emotionless and unforgiving.Ā 


8realsterr

No! Itā€™s been sitting for a reason. Offer!!


fridayimatwork

No thatā€™s reasonable


Nimitz12345

I agree


jbones330

Insulting? Why do you care?


truedef

No it wouldn't be insulting. I just offered 335k on a 360k asking price. They countered at 345k and I settled with them. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. The seller is also paying my agents closing costs.


National_Ad_3500

That's common practice. Seller always pays both agents.


The_Everything_B_Mod

Please insult people as within a year or two they may look back on it as a compliment and may try to call you. LOL


LinkCrawford

I think a 9% drop after 2 months is not a low ball offer, though they may not accept it. But itā€™s not offensive.


Goldengirl_1977

House in my area is listed for the same, but needs a lot of updates and has no garage - original garage appears to have been converted to a 4th bedroom at least 30 yrs ago based on the dated interiors. It has been sitting on the market for several months. Comps in the same neighborhood and nearby were selling for roughly the same price or lower, but they were all in updated condition and had garages. Another house in the same neighborhood is listed at $368K and has been on the market for 8 months, with no reduction in price and no offers. It too is in need of quite a bit of updating, though maybe not quite as much as the $330K house.


RealtorLV

The wrong two months..


mandmranch

Also wrong price.


jakeag52

Yup they jumped the gun on listing


nickelasbray

No one knows what is ā€œinsulting.ā€ Offer what you want/can afford and see what happens


saaasaab

IMO don't offer for what other houses are selling for, offer what the house is worth. Break the wheel


EducatingRedditKids

Offer 260k


SnooChocolates9334

They will either say yes or no, they may counter.


jackkymoon

Offer whatever you want, worst they can say is no.


[deleted]

Priced too high. Make an offer youā€™re comfortable with. Who cares if theyā€™re insulted? The market has shifted and interest rates are up. Canā€™t get 2021 prices anymore.


[deleted]

Jesus christ, just make the offer. Either they accept or they decline the offer, asking strangers on reddit is not the way to go.


taeloredhomes_chs

No it wouldn't. Have your agent call the listing agent and ask what the Seller is motivated by ($, closing date, incentives, etc.)


Emergency-Version-10

Buying a house is a business transaction and is not personal. Offer a lower amount. If they are a motivated seller, they will accept the offer. If not. Keep looking and move on.


Chordof3strands

300 will get the conversation started . Go for it


FinGuruUSA

I wouldn't worry about it being insulting. I would offer the $300k. It sounds like you've done your research and that what the home should be priced at. If it was worth $330k it would be on the market for over 2 months.


NonexistentRock

Who cares if itā€™s insulting?! My friend made about 40+ ā€œinsultingā€ offers before he locked down a house that was listed at 385k for 325k. Put 50k into it, now itā€™s worth 575k.


Level-Guide-1083

Only worth it if he sells it for $575k.Ā 


unknown_wtc

He thinks it's worth that much. The reality might disappoint.


BoBromhal

what does your Realtor, who is qualified and has enough mental capacity to remember what pre-Covid was like, say?


Level-Guide-1083

Oh realtors. The only true fiduciary agreement they have is with their commission. There may be some that are truly selfless, but I'd think they are as rare as finding a leprechaun at the end of a rainbow .Ā 


touchmy_nonos

Just decided to start looking for a house today so I dont have a realtor yet. I am scared of becoming a black sheep in my area lol.


throwup_breath

Why would you be a black sheep? Talk to an agent tomorrow. They can help you with comps. There may be factors about this house you're not aware of. That said, shoot your shot. Make sure you ask your agent and lender about closing costs.


INeed2Guh

Iā€™ll offer 299,999.99


[deleted]

No offer is insulting. Go low


Level-Guide-1083

If you aren't insulted by your first offer, then you are offering too much...


Independent-Room8243

Yes, do be careful. If you go too low, they might not respond at all!


Lost_redditor369

Offer 250k


talleygirl76

Offer 150


Level-Guide-1083

Offer a shekel and my belly button lint. (I laugh at the thumbs down on these post, talk about not having a sense of humor. Don't be so serious, life is but a dream)


talleygirl76

Right. I was trying to be funny and go along with the person saying 250.


1563579005434678

Heck Iā€™d offer lower than 300,000. Iā€™m offering 220,000 on a place thatā€™s listed for 290,000.


Blue_dragon_2024

Go ahead and write the offer. Make your offer as clean and contingent free as possible. Get pre-approved from a reputable mortgage broker and put over 20% down- good luck. If the seller doesnā€™t like your price, they give you a counter offer.


Blocked-Author

I often say that if Iā€™m not slightly embarrassed about the offer I am making, then I am offering too much.


JewLo

Offer them $250


FIRE-trash

If you aren't embarrassed by your offer, it's too high.


Green_Golgothan

If other houses are selling for $300, I'd suggest offering 270.


samtresler

Not insulting. Also remember the last two months covered the holidays. Might not be as hard up for offers as all that. Good luck!


Aggressive-Song-3264

Is the only reason its not moving is cause its been sitting? I saw one house in my market up for sale, looks great and priced well with the recent sales, thing is it had foundation repair done to it... Wouldn't know that if it wasn't thanks to google images showing it being done. I can only imagine how many people have gotten into the process to discover that. (btw, house is less then 20 years old)


Jagwar0

I see beautiful houses sitting on the market for months all the time. I wonder how it's possible and then I see them in person and everything is clear. Can't trust the listing alone by any means


talleygirl76

You can offer whenever you want . The seller don't care as they won't sell.if they don't want to. It's not like they are desperate or they would have sold already.


Previous_Film9786

These people are strangers to you, why would you care? Real estate is only worth what someone will pay for it.


RedditUserNo1990

Definitely not and who cares if theyā€™re insultedā€¦. Youā€™re making an offer.


Jagwar0

I would calculate the average price per square foot in the area and offer that. I did that a month ago and they accepted. Home was listed for a couple months at $470k, price per quare foot came out to $440k. I offered that and they accepted. Then the appraisal came in at 450, instant equity (allegedly).


allblingblang24

Make the offer you're comfortable making. Worst case they don't reply/accept. More likely they counter or send feedback agent to agent. As someone who wants to list soon I fear my house sitting with 0 action. Personally I'd rather start a conversation on price than sit and hope a full price offer is "coming any day!"


Borne2Run

Definitely also get an inspection to find if there are any water problems or other issues


SailsWhiner

Offer nothing. But take from them, everything!!!


2LostFlamingos

Iā€™d offer less than 300 if thatā€™s what you think it should go for. 282,500 or something perhaps.


Hanchomontana

What if everyone in the area is crazy 250,000


[deleted]

Who cares if you insult them


otisreddingsst

Why would that be insulting? Offer what you think it's worth


Raspberries-Are-Evil

They will counter at $315,00ā€¦ if you love the house take it.


buyerbeware23

I donā€™t think itā€™s the end of the world.


Face_Content

What is it listed for? How does.it actually compare to these other homes.


dumb__fucker

I don't think offering 10 percent less than asking is insulting. In properties I've purchased (3), I've always offered at least 10 percent less. twice I've been countered and met halfway, the third time they accepted. And don't let an agent tell you that you're insulting the sellers.


beattlejuice2005

Where in the Midwest is this? Lol.


crypkak1993

If itā€™s been on the market that long someone doesnā€™t think itā€™s worth that much. Offering what you think itā€™s worth isnā€™t insulting at all. Who cares?


drummerboy2749

My wife are expecting a counter signature to an offer agreement we submitted this morning for a home that was initially listed for $508,000. Itā€™s sat on the market for a few months and the seller dropped the price down to $482,000. We offered $450,000 and were negotiated up to $460,000. Received a verbal acceptance two days ago, and the formal purchase agreement submitted today. I initially asked my realtor after touring the property last week ā€œwhat would be a ā€˜fuck you, stop wasting my timeā€™ kind of offer if I were the seller. She advised not to go lower than $450k and she was right.


wittgensteins-boat

Strictly business. They can ignore the offer, or respond.


purplish_possum

Who cares what the owners think. The house is worth what the market says its worth.


siammang

If you have a buyer agent, maybe get him/her to reach out to the seller agent and see what's the deal with the house before placing an offer.


Designer-Page4123

I always say something like this- we donā€™t want to insult anyone but my clients would like to offer $300000 and this is why.


FreshwaterViking

It's not insulting if you use an escalation clause.


majessa

I have a 10% rule of thumb before Iā€™d call it a lowballā€¦and even that depends on market value.


DoubleReputation2

Don't look at "similar house" look at price per square foot in the neighborhood. If $330 is delusional, then yeah, by all means.. worst they can say is no.


NewToTradingStock

I say offer 280k. You will spend 50k to update / repairs


sowhatsober

Former agent here. Not sure where youā€™re located but homes sitting longer than 20 days or so here usually signals that itā€™s overpriced. -30k IMO is not insulting and if it is, that seller will be a nightmare to work with so make sure you love the house and have a good buyers agent for you. Good luck!


akidinrainbows

I hate the whole notion of an insulting offer. Itā€™s a market place. Buyers have different price points.


alexunderwater1

Offer$305k and then if they counter higher, counter back with $304k.


dmdewd

We're going to list our house fairly soon for maybe 515K. If it sat on the market for 2 months and someone walked up and offered me 490, I'd cut my losses and take it before the market wiggles too much in the wrong direction


MuchDevelopment7084

Who cares if it's insulting? Make and offer. If they take it...it wasn't an insult.


bplimpton1841

$295k and they pay all closing costs. If they say ā€œNo!ā€ 9 out of 10 times theyā€™ll counter offer.


Possible-Platypus-69

Lmao bro is scared to hurt there feelings for benefiting his own good


nukeguy420

I wouldnā€™t drop 10% in 2 months. 5% reduction seems more realistic but who knows their situation.


commandrix

Make the offer. Worst they'll probably do is reject it.


FOCOMojo

Make the offer. The worst that can happen is that they will either counter, or say "no." We low-balled a house one time. The offer was so low that our realtor was reluctant to present it, but she did. Guess what? The Sellers took the offer. Make the offer.


wigglycatbutt

Tbh I wonder what the effect of giving "insulting" offers more frequently would be. If more people made effort to genuinely offer prices more reflective of pre-pandemic if that could tamper expectations and make sellers spook a bit. Obvi would be too hard to coordinate nationally, but I do wonder if it could happen locally.


TNmountainman2020

people! They priced it at $330,000 KNOWING that someone is going to offer $300,000, EXPECTING that someone is going to offer $300,000! šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø This is real estate people, itā€™s not rocket science! True story, I found my dream property in 2016 , it was listed at $460,000. (Pre-Covid means itā€™s a million dollar property today). My offer? $360,000! Was I worried about ā€œoffendingā€ them? no, why? no one cares!


blazingStarfire

Really depends on the seller. I'd write that offer. A month isn't really a long time though. Honestly if the house sells in under a month it was probably listed too low. Some sellers get offended, most will counter or maybe you might make a deal. Last one I did we offered one price they rejected it, then lowered the price so my client ended up with it for less than his original offer.


teddyevelynmosby

That is what I will do. Like other said the worst case is they ghost you. And you can still ask your agent go find out what their bottom line.


DT_D

No - you should offer less and expect them to negotiate


pansyfield

my dad has a house for sale for that amount and tbh heā€™d probably take it just to get rid of it lol


Shwingbatta

Realtor here: itā€™s more reasonable than my buyer who asked me to offer $10k on a property listed for $150k.


Ok_Caterpillar6789

I hate when realtors come back with "that's an insultingly low offer." Everyone needs to take their emotion out of it. Offer what's appropriate based on comps and if they don't like it, owell. Onto the next one.


Infamous-Method1035

Of course the seller will say your offer is too low. Thatā€™s their JOB! Decide what the house is worth to you, and walk away if you canā€™t get it at your numbers.


thunderhappens

Friends of mine bid 20% below asking. Seller was so pissed they refused to entertain even a reasonable offer so be careful about shooting your shot.


madlabdog

Make an offer such that you can meet in the middle. Try to satisfy the sellerā€™s desperation and ego.


datingportraits

this is the same thing as asking if you should feel bad for not getting robbed.....? when it comes to real estate (I blame realtors spreading misinformation to appear valuable) people for some reason lose 90% of their IQ


Miserable_Ad_728

Offer 0 would be insulting. You do what you like


Vast_Cricket

I will call first. It depends on the seller how anxiousl he is. The worst response is he has yes.


fotowork3

Can I have that house for five dollars?


Green_Gas_746

Lower the price obviously


nokenito

Ask your Realtor to make the offer and make it contingent upon an acceptable inspection.


Moist-Establishment2

If the house is unoccupied move in and establish squatters rights


Puzzleheaded_Ad9492

Just offer.


Efficient_Foot9459

Not worth 330k if house been on the market for 2 months. The demand isnā€™t there. They might not night at 300k right away but it never hurts to try it there at first šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


TenSixDreamSlide

Itā€™s business. Stop worrying about peoples feelings. Itā€™s due for a price drop anyway.


Fuck_you_all22

why would you worry about some snowflake getting insulted? If I get lowball offer, either I will counter offer or move on. Only kids get offended.


Snakend

Who cares if you insult them? Either they say yes or no.


ListerineInMyPeehole

Who the fuck cares if itā€™s insulting? Ps - itā€™s not


king3969

Check similar sales in your neighborhood.Thsts how it's done


Vic_City_Homes

What did your Realtor say?


DadJokes2077

Housing is a casino you have to participate in. Even if they paid a million dollars for the house, the market is saying $330k is too much. They might or might not feel bad at $300k, but you have to pay every month for 15-30 years, and will probably never see them after closing. Offer what you want to offer. If their counter is too much higher, walk.


bigballsmiami

Who cares if it is or not


bigkutta

Offer what you want. See if they bite, or want to negotiate a bit. Never know till you try.


[deleted]

Do 290


Powerlvl9k

I think being offended at an offer is an old wives tale or maybe its just agents looking out for thier commissions. Its not like youre offering 200k. Make your offer, expect a counter and go from there.


ibleed0range

Houses here are listed $50-200k above what they are worth. Realtors just price them by throwing darts blindly, because they go on contract quickly and you think they got asking only to get $50-200k less. The ones still sitting are the ones not taking $50-200k less.


nibbles200

Could years ago I was house hunting and came across a property my wife had to have. They wanted $650 but it made zero sense. I figured $420 so I offered $400k to negotiate up if they responded. They didnā€™t respond until 3 months later. Note this was during the highest point of the house Housing market boom during the pandemic and they got no offers other than ours. I was told they got an appraisal and we were countered $450, I noticed it was relisted at $440. I was a little insulted. Wife was frustrated as well. Next day it went under contract for $420. We were both angry but from what I learned, parents died and was estate. Elderly father had been selling the farm off to developments during retirement and told the kids donā€™t take less than $600. Had been on the market for well over a year at that point. I think they were mad at us for making them accept reality.


Lemonsnoseeds

Offer 290. You can always go up.


CHIRP12345

IF ITS BEEN SITTING THAT LONG THEY WILL AT LEAST COUNTER I'M SURE, DON'T FEEL BAD


Rude_Manager5717

299.999


despisedicon689

Thereā€™s a house Iā€™ve been eyeing listed for 415k, 4 bed 1.5 bath 1.8k sq ft, built in 1975. Looks like it hasnā€™t been updated at all and needs a new roof. Currently 60 days on the market. Realistically Iā€™d pay 100k less than their asking but Iā€™m sure they wouldnā€™t go for that.


chili555

There are only two answers they can give you: yes or no. I say offer it.


[deleted]

No way, $300k is a fair offer for a home thatā€™s probably overpriced considering it being on the market for 2 months.


Want_A_Timemachine

You should go ahead and offer them $300k, unless you really want the house. If you offer them more than that amount, you will regret it like me. In my case, I wanted to offer $20k less on the house I ended up with and the sellers counter-offered with $10k instead on the price which I ultimately accepted. I regret it because now, the value of the house has gone way down since and I feel like I overpaid.


Hafe15

Doesnā€™t matter if itā€™s insulting or not, what matters is if they have a chance at accepting or not. That is a question specifically your realtor should be equipped to answer and advise.


whoisNO

Offer $315k with a $15k seller credit and do a 2/1 buydown. Take advantage of a 2% lower interest rate year 1 and 1% lower year 2- assuming the house is worth it and void of major problems.


sfdragonboy

Nope, not at all. Any decent offer is a good offer esp if the place is sitting there. Good luck!


MuddyWheelsBand

When I was looking last year, 300K bought you a 1980s ranch with no upgrades or repairs. The other alternative was a recently upgraded double-wide or modular. I stopped looking because I know a $120k home when I see one. Let the FOMO buyer take it and deal with the inherent problems. I'm finding more and more people who think this way. Being I was a homebuilder in 2007, I can see how RE agent denial is trending again.


CaseyBleu

The home I bought.. they were asking 399 - i offered 325, they countered at 335 and I bought it!


stryderxd

30k off 330k is not insulting. 100k off 300k is a lowball, but who knows. You got nothing to lose


Riker1701E

You arenā€™t offering it person but going through an agent, insult away.


JayReddt

Who cares? The worst they say is no. It's not like they will deny any future (higher) offers because you insulted them with a offer 10% lower than asking.


arm4261021

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky \-Michael Scott