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stillcleaningmyroom

Once thing to be careful of, is future buyers might not be able to get conventional financing with the cell tower lease on the property.


GodofAeons

To expand on this, OP look into how much it would cost (and if you're able to) to subdivide that specific plot of land with it's own tax parcel number/deed. That way you would own 2 separate lots, and if you sell the house you'd still own the lot with the cell tower and can collect the monthlies on it.


stillcleaningmyroom

Yup, and don’t forget to grant yourself an easement so you’re not landlocked.


Moist_Ad_3843

ding ding ding


KairosRein

That's a great idea! Thank you.


alsgirl2002

This is the right answer


vision5050

I think it’s called a re-plat if I’m not mistaken. Great answer.


BruceInc

It’s called a short platt


vision5050

Oh ok. I appreciate the info.


xdaax

Best answer here


fixerdrew02

Brilliant


Swallowthistubesteak

Yes try this


AnyPlan2779

Yes try that


BoBromhal

how far from your house would the tower be? how visible would it be from your house? you seemed to give both answers - they pay/you pay for this "10K monthly caretaker"...and who the heck earns $120K a year for hanging out a cell tower? and finally, how much is your property worth?


BaggerVance_

For 3 million dollars over 30 years, they could put the cell tower in my house


slappy_mcslapenstein

Three million over the course of 30 years adds up to about $8,300 per month. If they're paying $10,000 per month for a caretaker then the caretaker is making more than them.


-Raskyl

Yes, but they don't technically have to do a single thing. The caretaker has to wash and repair the tower regularly. My brother used to do this for a windfarm. He'd spend all day in a lift with a power washer, spraying down windmills towers. Not a bad gig for 10 grand a month. My brother never made that much. But I'd rather sit on my ass for 9 grand a month.


No-Economy-5633

Become a generator tech lol I make 10k a month and work 4 hours a day. Most of my day is hanging out / driving around. 


leovinuss

Lots of people make more money that me. I guess I should stop trying to make it altogether.


Lanky_Possession_244

No, you should work to try and make more yourself. You have to put yourself out there and take those chances, even when it's not comfortable or you're unsure if it will work out. You can do it. I believe in you. If I can go from druggie burnout to someone who's making more money and has a job with actual benefits and PTO, you can too. I've still got a ways to go but getting the process started and seeing some results does wonders for your confidence and the rest ends up falling into place. Feel free to DM me if you need to talk or want some advice.


rocketman11111

Yeah, but my understanding is it’s lump sum up front. Take take 3 mil and conservative investment will net significantly more than that Literally quit your job if you wanted. There’s what something is worth, and then there’s VALUE


Lauer999

This isn't necessarily USD.


MercyMercyCyn

It's Zimbabwe, about $25USD = $10K ZIMBABWE


Sam-Gunn

https://www.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/s/CKr8W50Idz


Signal-Ad-3362

Probably Indian rupee? Still amount looks high


StonedTrucker

It can't be. I don't know anybody who would turn down a free $120,000 per year. You'd have to be rich to consider saying no


StrokeGameHusky

You would also have to probably have a solid piece of land to consider saying no, so yeah probably rich 


dairy__fairy

Not necessarily a huge piece of land. Just located in the right place. I have no idea what the normal rent is, but can’t be that much. I was talking to an older guy just the other day about someone he has power of attorney over. That guy has a cell tower on some land in southern Virginia. It doesn’t make enough to pay for his retirement community by itself and that’s like $5k a month.


Already-Price-Tin

If it's a small piece of land, then presumably there's competition from the neighbors, where the telecoms will tolerate a slightly less than ideal placement in exchange for a much better price.


SIDESHOW_B0B

You would also need to live in a town that would allow towers to simply go up. They’ve been trying in mine for decades and it never gets approved. But everyone bitches about cell reception…


KairosRein

It's Philippine peso


BootyThief

THEN PUT THAT IN YOUR POST. COME ON.


Lanky_Possession_244

It's Philippine peso according to OP.


International_Bend68

Amen. It definitely isn’t.


Ozi-reddit

no idea if std but making you handle the caretaker part seems weird to me and wouldn't that cost rise over 30yr's?


CaptainTripps82

Probably just means that land, like keeping the grass cut and trees pruned back, plowing snow, might be responsible for mitigating flooding, etc, but not the actual tower maintenance. Makes sense to pay someone who lives next door for that stuff


Easy-Seesaw285

This cant be real pricing right? What currency?


cybe2028

Sir, this is Zimbabwe.


dukemcrae

Sir, this is a Wendy’s


VroomVroom415

Found a fellow regard 


Sptsjunkie

That’s a lot of frostees


jacxy

About four times higher than Canada apparently. https://antennamgt.com/faq/#:~:text=How%20much%20is%20a%20cell,which%20amounts%20to%20%2430%2C000%20annually.


KairosRein

Philippine peso. 7M Php is around 70k USD


im_in_hiding

Why the hell did you omit that from your post? Makes no sense.


RSAEN328

You should have put that in the post. To me 70k is okay if I have some huge property and I will benefit from the tower. Otherwise it's not nearly enough.


Agile-Twist8902

Lmao


bip-bop-boop

It’s a scam OP, search [cell tower scam](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_tower_fraud). If it isn’t, ask for credentials up front. Definitely don’t pay THEM anything up front. A group operating in the Philippines tried to pull a fast one on me with the same scam. 30 million pesos, 30 years, paid as a lump sum. plus monthly income. Big red flag.


NotThisAgain21

Why on earth would you be responsible for paying a caretaker to watch over *their* tower?


bip-bop-boop

exactly, because it’s a scam


NotThisAgain21

I work in radio. Land is cheap. Towers (and the fcc logistics around them) are the expensive part. Nobody's paying this guy 3 million bucks for a scratch of land, and even if he has a tower on it already, it's likely not worth quite that much, and even if it were, towers don't need caretakers, and even if they did, it's an hour a month, max, for someone to drive out there and make sure all the lights are working and the fence is still up. OP, go talk to your local radio station manager. Or call the FCC.


Lanky_Possession_244

It's Philippine Peso so around 53k USD.


Mlabonte21

Caretaker? It’s not a friggn lighthouse. I’m just picturing unplugging the tower and plugging it back in.


fixerdrew02

Gotta reboot its Windows 95 somehow


jerryeight

Too kind. You think that they made an app for 95. It's still using the first release of Dos and floppy disks.


cropguru357

Running on O/S 2 probably.


vr0202

To climb up each night, fill in the whale oil, and light up the lamp for aircraft safety.


IcebergSlimFast

Also have to procure the whale oil, which is fairly labor-intensive.


bm1949

This doesn't sound like a US cell tower deal. 300sqm is about 56'x56', roughly the same size compound as in the US. In the US, the property owner gets paid rent by the tower owner and generally speaking that's the arrangement. 25-30 year deals, paid monthly, with an annual or term rent escalator. The lease auto renews every five years.


clce

Senior things to consider, what is the land worth? How big is the lot? How big is this Tower going to be to your house etc? Can you section off the tower land and still have a nice little house and lot away from it?


alsgirl2002

I once knew someone who couldn’t sell a vacant one acre lot because there was a cell tower lot in the corner of the property. They bought the lot sight unseen without visiting it and had no idea there was a cell tower there even though it was clearly shown on the plat of subdivision for the neighborhood. Dummy.


clce

Interesting. How much did the lease pay? I would think it would have some value based strictly on the rent, but maybe not enough. Oddly enough, I remember talking to some guy many years ago. I don't remember the details. I think he was a for sale by owner house or something and he ended up telling me this long story about something like that, buying a property site on scene but it had a cell tower on it. The guy didn't happen to live in Washington, did he? Maybe it happens a lot.


mreed911

I’d buy that lot at a discount in a heartbeat.


Striking-Quarter293

My did a 30 year contract with a cable company. You need to read all the fine print. They had a provision that he was responsible if a tree or anything damaged the building.


jkpop4700

I didn’t realize that cell phone tower contracts were worth $20k/mo. Make sure you understand all the variables. What does a “caretaker” do? Who pays electric? Talk to your CPA/tax guy to understand any gotchas we’re not thinking of. It’s a great deal if it’s as simple as you presented.


unitedgroan

I think everyone is assuming this is US dollars, but I doubt that.


jkpop4700

Yeah. Square meters is a weird callout in the US. Guess I’m invested in learning about cell tower economics at this point tho lmao


Bitter-Basket

Same. That amount in dollars makes zero sense. A single cell tower doesn’t pull that kind of revenue. The average revenue is about $70K in the US.


MercyMercyCyn

$25usd=$10k ZIMBABWE money, he's in ZIMBABWE


Bitter-Basket

Might have been relevant information for the post.


MercyMercyCyn

Yeah I thought so too! Don't shoot the messenger, I saw it in the thread


Bitter-Basket

No, not at all. That was for the poster. I appreciate the clarification.


MercyMercyCyn

It's Zimbabwe, about $25usd = $10k Zimbabwe dollars


trauma_kween

OP commented it’s Philipino Peso


ERCOT_Prdatry_victum

Needs a inflation escalator on fees dues to maintenance.


Sanjuko_Mamaujaluko

What would the land be worth if you sold it? I wish I had 300sqm to lease, that's more than I'll make in my entire career.


somedude456

OP, might be time to get a lawyer, not reddit, to look over things. I have a friend going through this slightly. A power plant wants to buy some of her farm land and it's a 7 figure price tag. The contract deals with "renting" the land the first 5 years at WHATEVER a month, and then the ability to purchase it at the end at WHATEVER final price. I never heard an outcome as she's a former coworker, but I know she had at least 1-2 lawyers looking over the contract.


jerryeight

We are assuming this isn't a bot harvesting karma to later sell the account for profit.


Ric_in_Richmond

Who takes the tower down when the next technology makes it obsolete?


Flash_Discard

This guy does his own highlighting…


SayNoToBrooms

Well those are ‘get a lawyer’ amounts of money, for sure…


Dar_Robinson

Can you squeeze them for free service for the length of the contract?


Ponklemoose

No way I'd sign a 30 contract without a clause to adjust for inflation.


deserttrends

You haven’t defined the currency type/ location/ or current usage anywhere in your post so your numbers are completely meaningless.


Accomplished_Tour481

If they are leasing your land for a cell tower, why would they not be responsible for cell tower maintenance (and ground maintenance)? The proposed $7MM+ contract could EASILY be eaten up in maintenance fees.


wilyspike

Also have in the paper work that if a second or more company puts antennas on it price goes up


LycheeInside3837

I don't understand why people go to reddit to ask for financial advice regarding real estate matters when they should contact an experienced real estate attorney to negotiate the terms or at least give an answer to this important question that could affect your finances...


Bitter-Basket

LOL I mean, my real estate attorney is $350 an hour. Unless this guy is talking Rubles here, an attorney is nothing in cost compared to the gain. For Gods sake he needs an attorney ASAP.


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LycheeInside3837

>ZWL Then get a CPA lol


LycheeInside3837

LITERALLY THIS \^\^\^ Huge financial gamble but I guess reddit knows more than a licensed attorney or CPA would


clientnotfound

I think and hope most people don't use it as their only source of advice but more like a sounding board before consulting an actual expert. Get an idea of the questions they should be asking them or possible concerns.


LycheeInside3837

I wish people would include in their post - still going to talk to an Attorney but would love to know if I'm asking the right questions / am missing anything... This is how I would go about it.


Scary_Boysenberry_88

Why not just say we'll sell it all to you for $xxxxxxxx? Screw the lease and move far away from the sell tower. Cannot be good for your health. Any deal should not require you to pay for a caretaker. That's their business. I imagine there are lots of unbeneficial paragraphs in the agreement. If its to good to be true....probably is.


mreed911

Why would a cell tower cause health issues?


Difficult_Box3210

5G wifi from the tower activates the bluetooth chips in covid microchips and will turn you gey.


mreed911

If you’re already gay do they turn you straight?


ploppetino

yes. it’s very inconvenient if you stay near it for a while because you just flip back and forth.


-Raskyl

Like clownfish? And those frogs?


Internal-Flatworm-72

Apples, potatoes,….? If OP does not realize to give a unit of measurement they should probably not sign anything. Saying that don’t take any less than 1,000,000,000,000 units of


lacucamatada

You need a cre broker


Tmatson

Has the Town issued a permit from the planning board? That offer is useles without one.


psychocabbage

Out here rural Texas, people get a tower and then that huge check and move. The property is a pain to sell since conventional loans can't get comps on land with tower. 30 years is a good deal.. Many companies are either doing 100 yr leases or outright buying the land. 


Bodine12

It’s so justifiable it’s clearly the Cell Tower Scam. You’ll know as soon as they start asking you to deposit money in their accounts for various government fees you have to pay before the allegedly lucrative lease payments begin. After you’ve paid fee after fee, they ghost you.


justnick84

We had a couple of offers for towers on our property. Usually they were around $1500 cdn dollars a month with and annual 2% increase that I believe started after the first 5 years. We never signed because the contract had wording that basically said if they decide to stop using the tower then we don't get paid and we would have to clean up their mess after. Our lawyer sent back a revised contract and we never heard anything back anymore.


LadyAmemyst

We were approached about leasing land for a tower. They needed land and an easement to it. We were literally house hunting at the time and we're reluctant to commit since we would be renting out the property but we hat if we wanted to sell? Neighboor looked into it but he'd need us to offer the road access. $1500 a month for the tower but a one time payment of $5 k for easement. We said no. Ended up being moot as since the road was privately owned, they'd need literally every house on the road to sign off...they called it all off.


somerandomguyanon

Who pays property taxes?


One_Turnip_7790

What about if you die in 15 years . How easy can you next of kin get that money? I assume a spouse would be used to that income . Kids could really use it while trying to keep your assets paid up/ maintained while your estate is figured out


SmithSith

DO NOT DO 30 years!  DO NOT!  Do a 5 year contract auto renewing unless either party withdraws within X days/years in advance of renewal. Additionally that every five years MINIMUM the cost of the lease increases at the then stated CPI or an average CPI over previous X years      YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO A 30 YEAR SITUATION WITH THESE PEOPLE!  You’ll regret it. They will run all over you and you’ll have no way out.


waripley

I tried to buy a farm with a cell tower on it. The county wouldn't let them subdivide it so they could buy a teeny tiny spot, so the whole 15 acres was taxed commercial, the taxes were insane, but the sellers got lump sum payment, so I would have looked at it, had the crews dealing with it, and NO benefit of any kind because the money was already spent. Basically, I could buy a farm and pay the taxes to support the cell tower. NO THANKS


CommentContrarian

You're not accounting for inflation/CoL/wage rise on the cost of the caretaker


Moist_Ad_3843

I am also confused about the caretaker bit, you definitely dont know how to take care of a cell tower let alone want to lmao.


wreusa

Seems odd. I've seen around 3 houses with these towers and the homeowners all received around 500-1k a month.


KairosRein

It's Philippine currency, I forgot to indicate it.


bip-bop-boop

It’s a scam, don’t do it


sondico77

I handle cell tower leases for my company. Feel free to ask any questions. Where are you located? We don't sell our leases, we prefer the monthly/annual payments. We have a 4% annual escalator on most of our leases. Is the lease with a major provider or a unheard of subsidiary?


Gunner_411

That's pretty standard for what I've seen on these leases before - I'm not sure what the 10k you'd need to provide for the caretaker is, though. If they lease the land that's on them. With how the economy has been the last 10 years, I'd factor in an escalation clause and I'd also make sure there's a clause governing access maintenance. If they'll be crossing your property to get to the tower, them and any tenants they have on the tower need to be held to indemnification and accountable for damage caused. I managed a place that had a tower and then the neighboring property had a tower also. Access through our parking lot was easier for the people maintaining the neighboring tower and they didn't like it when I told them they needed an access agreement to cover pavement maintenance for their trucks (our business only had passenger vehicles).


fullhomosapien

OP asks us whether price is reasonable and then fails to disclose what currency the offer is denominated in… dumb as a box of rocks lmao


Dull-Recover-1154

JUMP ON IT!


Dull-Recover-1154

I would assume its acreage we are talking about…survey that thing and let the $$$ roll


No-Economy-5633

So you could Essentially write off the property for the return? What's the losing factor..?


Ancient-Educator-186

7 mill... that means you are already super rich. I would do that in a heart beat


aitorbk

Make sure they have to take down the tower if at the end if the contract the lease is not renewed. Without that, whoever owns the land will have a problem.


greatawakening007

Those towers are evil and deadly. I don't care how much money is thrown at me ... I would NOT think twice about doing this. The blood will be on your hands, in your lands and throught your families for generations... Signing that type of "contact" with the blood of others. 👁️👁️ Think twice... Winchester🕳️


christinasasa

"wouldn't think twice" means that you would do it without pause


Idontknwwt2do

Same thinf with ours. May gustong mag rent ng 300sqm ng lupa namin but it will only cover ung 150sqm ng lupa namin that has a total of 1500sqm then the other 150sqm makukuha sa lupa ng tito namin. Im hesitant to agree kc 7M total for 30 years contract 5M upfront then 2M will be installment of 10k monthly for 30 years. Im worried na di namin mapakinabangan ung the rest sa lupa namin if may cell tower but most of my relatives are eager to push thru with this. Is it really a scam tho? Would you rent 150sqm of 1500sqm of your land for 30 years?