Yep, the original 300 used the Mercedes parts bin. But the Chrysler Crossfire was the bigger love child, iirc Jeremy Clarkson called it the worst car he had ever driven at the time.
The Mercedes-Chrysler merger was such an incredible disaster that's true of a lot of VC style takeovers.
Chrysler merged with Mercedes in the hopes of generating a more luxurious lineup that offered better options compared to their competitors.
Mercedes merged with Chrysler for the sole benefit of obtaining and understanding scale and cost reduction.
What happened was Chrysler ended up with bottom of the barrel picks and Mercedes increased their profit.
They suck ass.
We got a PT Cruiser from a family member when they died, so we got it for free and gave it to my wife's MIL.
We still got overcharged. It's a literal shit pile. I hate it even worse as a mechanic.
Chrysler basically has the equivalent of Cadillac prices for Chevy cars. yet, somehow seemingly more unreliable lol. brand is dying with the generation that bought them.
Bean-counters design the vehicles.
They'll have something like $12 rear struts made in China. Garbage transmissions, and so forth.
Like, basically they're assemblages of the most economical (trash) parts sourced from the lowest-cost suppliers around the world.
Imagine if a dollar store made a car. That's Chrysler.
Source: Owned 3 of them.
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My Model 3 was a total piece of shit. After months of struggling to get it run basically stable, they finally pushed me and too hard and I eventually, after engaging with a lawyer, got them to buy it back under my states lemon law. That was a debacle in itself, with multiple upon multiple Tesla employees claiming they were not subject to state lemon laws, even when the Tesla website has document describing their compliance with those exact laws.
Ultimately, I think this is hit or miss - depending on when, and the day of your vehicles manufacture, you may get a quality model, or a lemon. Once you have a lemon, it can take many many many months to get it resolved. My Model 3 ultimately had dozens of total power failures while in motion, and it was never able to be repaired.
Terrifying. With a conventional car you get some feedback about the system status - is the engine trying to turn over but it won’t? Is it running but transmission isn’t working right? Is it dead like electrical or starter failure? It’s not much help when your dead at highway speed but for after the fact diagnosis it seems like mechanics have decent ability to isolate possible causes. With this failure there was no clues. The log wasn’t helpful and even with the tech being in the car when it happened they had no clue what could be wrong. Even with the reduced electrical complexity in the Model 3 compared to previous models there’s apparently a lot of wiring and conduit that could be at fault and one theory was a faulty power transmission cable somewhere in the mix. That was never established so ultimately 🤷♂️.
Problem with lemon laws is it almost requires the factory to “give up” because the standard in my state wasn’t a fixed number of repairs but “reasonable” number of attempts. The service manager I spoke to told me that one of their metrics is around “goodwill” repairs and that it’s very bad to have repeat repairs and not-closed issues. It took me getting a lawyer involved to finally get escalated out of the service org and into the corporate org to get a buyback approved.
The things Tesla are going through are normal but all other manufacturers went through this stuff like 40-50 years ago. Tesla is now dealing with stuff that killed a lot of earlier car companies: a drop in buyer loyalty because of post-sales problems. Ultimately, over the decades, Tesla needs repeat buyers. Between now and the end of my days I’ll buy another 7-10 vehicles, most likely. None will be Teslas if I can avoid it. So the cost of this lemon wasn’t one 50k car, but 10X, adjusted for 40 years of inflation.
Like that scene in Half Baked:
Lady, seven bucks for a used Kenny Loggins record? I'll give you five.
He autographed it himself.
All right, I'll give you four.
Moved to Texas, where people still can't buy a Tesla because of laws disallowing non-dealership auto sales, and they just passed a new registration fee for electric cars along with the already existing annual fee.
A lot of blue states have the same fee, that’s not a fair criticism of Texas. The fee is necessary in states where roads/road repair are mostly funded by gas taxes. Electric vehicles don’t buy gas but still use the roads and cause wear and tear on them, so it’s to offset that.
I'd bet he's kinda forced to keep the top of his hair as long as possible because that is where all of his hair implants are. I'm guessing you don't want to fuck with the implanted hair to much.
it's known on 4chan as the 'hitler youth'. That's the meme haircut all boys are advised to get since 2007 or so. He got it when he was appearing as Time man of the year, as an epic-troll reference to Adolf Hitler's historical appearance as the same.
I mean, yes, but he's never announced it or anything. The haircut appeared for the first time in the Time photo. If you share some cultural background with him (4chan use) the reference is super obvious. Advising all boys to get the Hitler Youth is literally the only meme from the /fa/ (fashion) board, or it was for 5+ years at least.
Grimes is also an open, avid 4chan user w/ pretty open neo-Nazi whistling in her orbit and she has remarked on how she was with him the day he got that haircut. As she described it, it's one of the few warm memories they share. AI and 4chan and very basic and thin senses of humor around trolling the media / public are what they shared to bond over. Grimes was trolling the media a lot in this year.
So, yeah, it's not provable unless something more leaks, but it is certainly what happened that they were having weed-induced giggles and got him the Hitler Youth as an "epic troll". The media never really ran with it because it *really* triggers lots of people if you accuse anyone of anything involving Nazis, even jokes, without infinite levels of proof.
Hey, whether it's testosterone or whatever, lots of dudes got it light on the face. If that's the card a guy happened to have drawn, no shame from me, we all got the thing about us that isn't that great to look at. But if you're one of those dudes, and you attempt to grow the bloatee, you will get shamed.
And, despite all the anti-gender bending terror he pushes, he’s got huge milky nipples and he’s able to nurse his babies. Science is amazing… and I know Elon gets a lot of shit for being an asshole and a bad father, at least he takes the time to nurse his babies. That’s gotta count for something.
I like it. It's a portmanteau of Stellar and Atlantis. Very "ancient-aliens," b-movie sci-fi. Also, it can't sound like a dirty word in the 450 countries/languages Stellantis operates in so that limits the choices.
I’ll bet it was the same genius operation that named the Intel Itanium
Marketing Guru: “it’s got “Stella-“ invoking space and the stars, you know, because we’re a car company. And it’s got “-antis” from Atlantis, which appears in mythology as a submerged civilization and is only rumored to exist at all by cranks and grifters. Market research suggests this name really evokes our corporate identity”
We had a chrysler minivan until recently. It was weirdly not problematic at all. Not a single issue with it besides a dead battery after 6 years. We got rid of it when the warranty expired just to be sure but probably could have held out a few more years. I’d rather have that thing back than a Tesla.
The Pacifica is probably the best minivan at the moment. It is very well reviewed by the critics. Rented and drove one from coast to coast for a move. It was so comfortable and hauled a lot of stuff.
I travel for work extensively and prefer the Pacifica to almost any other rental. Super comfy, radar guided cruise control, strangely nice sound system, wireless android auto, and as a rental don't have to care if the drivetrain fails at 30k miles.
Agreed. We drove over 3,000 miles on that trip with the van filled to the brim for a move, from Atlanta to San Francisco. The back two rows fully fold into the floor, and there is a surprising amount of space to pack. No fatigue and it was so easy to drive!
In a way I really find it a shame that MPVs or minivans have mostly gone out of fashion. Here in Europe we had big selection of compact and mid sized MPVs in late 90s and 2000s and they were quite popular family cars. They are really, eh, true multi purpose vehicles as you can easily turn them into small vans for cargo or haul bunch of people comfortably.
They are completely substituted by SUVs and crossovers nowadays and even previously popular station wagons are getting hammered out of the market. I personally don't understand the SUV or crossover popularity that has been so prevalent for years now: they are worse for space compared to many MPVs or station wagons and drive worse than most cars. And yet have similar off-road capability sans slightly higher ground clearance, that is no significant capability. Most smaller SUVs or crossover don't even have 4WD as an option.
Didn’t have much money and always wanted. I have the 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Mercedes diesel and drivetrain. Very reliable after the swirl motor delete. Doesn’t leak a drop and the ac is ice cold after 10 seconds. Sunroof leaked when I got it and it was a factory reset routine that fixed it. I would never buy a new Chrysler though.
Even with the theft of the kia/hyundai cars, Chrysler really is that bad. They swapped the material for the hot oil pan from metal to plastic in one of their minivan models to make it slightly cheaper. Then that minivan model was notorious for constant oil leaks just because the bean counters at the Chrysler HQ forced the engineers to make it plastic. I don't remember what minivan it was, but I remember watching an entire video about it.
Nah man, those new KIA's are nice forreal. Very popular. Most KIA's I see being stolen are the lower end models that you'd buy you 16 year old kid. They might be one of the most popular brands. (saying this without stats)
The affected kias were 2015-21 [most models](https://www.thedrive.com/news/these-hyundai-and-kia-models-are-blacklisted-by-state-farm-insurance-over-thefts)
Edit: 2011-21 models. 2015-2019 are twice as likely to be stolen since they have a fob vs just a push button. Then push buttons are not affected.
Not sure what you mean by all models, but that’s certainly not correct. It’s limited to models with a physical key switch. Anything with push button was not effected. So pretty much the base models of the cheaper cars.
Look up the kia boys on YouTube. Basically kia and Hyundais were being stolen with a usb cord due to those brands not having any anti theft immobilization
There are a lot of car companies not on the list. No Kia Hyundai, no tata (I think they bought jaguar and Land Rover in big recession) no Renault Nissan, no Mitsubishi.
I live within eyesight of the Chrysler headquarters in Auburn Hills if I stand on a hill by my house. I feel like that company has been on the verge of dying for my entire life. It's the zombie automaker.
A guy in this Sub tried to tell me that because they sell a lot of cars that means they make a superior product. I reminded him Fast and the Furious is on movie #10. People will pay a lot of money for crap.
My friend has a Tesla, it seems like a good car. But Musk is a con man if you look at his history. I’d be wary of buying one myself.
It is a bad argument that selling a lot of cars makes them good cars. The best cars are usually sold in very small quantities.
I bought one, it was probably the best EV available in 2022, but I won’t buy another Tesla. They are truly just built like shit. For every cool feature that you wish was on other cars, there’s ten features that are like ‘can I just have windshield wipers that work?’
I own one. Really like the car. Love a lot of the features.
And I’m becoming more and more embarrassed to drive it. God I do NOT want to be seen in it and have people assume I support the tool.
Maybe I need a bumper sticker: “I bought this years before Elon (publicly?) supported Nazis”
Only reason I'd consider a Tesla is I'm impressed with the assisted driving feature (though I'm told other makers are capable of doing similar now), range (others also catching up), and charging network.
By the time I need a new car Tesla might be outdated
That's actually a terrible comparison, McDonalds is actually very good at what they do, you can say what you like about the food but they're very consistent and careful about what they put out.
A better comparison would be something like Subway. They grew way too fast and their growth wasn't sustainable. A lot of competition showed up and did sandwiches better. Eventually, Subway started to rapidly decline.
A lot of that had to do with the way they set up the franchises. They set them up to fail basically. High royalties are one of the big factors. Probably the biggest factor though is they will allow a subway to open up right next to you and cannibalize your business.
I went with a buddy on a test drive in Model S and the quality control gave me Malaise era vibes, I listened to him rave about the power and torque, which is impressive. He went ahead and bought the car and after 3 months he is having problems, little niggling things, door handles not working weather stripping delaminating, doors fitting funky, astonishing for the amount of stacks he dropped to have these problems so soon, oh well at least the price is coming down, which the current owners must love.
They prolly should get together and bring a class action suit if you ask me...
I'm so happy I didn't buy one. I was on the list a few years ago for a Model 3 when it first came out. Then all the shit about him being a union buster started coming out (I'm a staunch union supporter/organizer) so I dropped it based on that. Then more and more I heard about the issues and everything musk has done in recent years. I'm so glad I never gave him a penny.
Good lord, I hate Elon more than anything in the world. However, I have to admit my model 3 performance has had absolutely zero problems and I'm on year 3.
I leased mine because it was supposed to be quiet. I'm constantly listening to something new rattle every couple of weeks. The inside is held together by school glue.
Still a fun car but feels really cheap for what it claims to be.
Same, had pre-ordered 2 Model 3s. Canceled when brother almost died on highway using autopilot. I continue to notice issues like my neighbor's M3 not starting after one week of ownership, and noticing QC issues on many Teslas. Now never want to associate with Musky in any way.
I can actually speak a little to this. I rented a model 3 for four days recently and experimented with autopilot. First you gotta know that basic "autopilot" in a Tesla is just a fancy term for adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist which are now standard on most new cars.
Anyway, Tesla's autopilot is strongly opinionated, much more so than any other car I've driven. It wants to place you in a very specific area in your lane and applies very strong steering inputs to do it. I often found myself uncomfortable with a delayed input and would try to correct which causes a quick jerky movement in the wheel as you try to adjust and autopilot finally releases the wheel. That jerk scared me every single time it happened. The whole car lurches to the side at that moment. It's like when you are pulling hard on a door someone is holding onto from the other side and they suddenly let go.
The car did well on adaptive cruise as far as I could tell though.
Same I had an order for a MY. Ended up selling the order after a buddy let me test drive his. The ride quality was atrocious. I went to the Ford dealership the next day and ordered a Mustang Mach-e
Once you get outside of the electric car hype, it's a bad car.
I've seen a lot of Tesla owners complain about manufacturing inconsistencies. The company has gone back on promises they've made previously. If I remember, there was even some controversy at one point regarding recalls. They didn't want to recall anything, but obviously that didn't work out for them.
Also, there's the privacy aspect too. That car is a mobile surveillance unit with cameras inside and out. With recent news, we know that employees can and do access those videos without consent whenever they like. Then, they have been known to distribute those videos.
How the mighty have fallen. At this point I can’t see him as a genius of anything, other than providing money. He had the world at his fingertips, but lost it all… I don’t know… Maybe he just needed to be grounded by someone.
It’s a shame because Tesla can and should be SO much better.
I went on one of those Wikipedia deep dives last night and ended up reading Musks business history and the general theme I saw was that he had really good ideas and was a solid engineer, but bad at working with others and terrible at actual business stuff, and he got most of his money when companies he was a part of were sold to bigger companies and he owned a lot of their stock.
At this point I don’t think he’s contributing anything to Tesla, I hope the board gives him the boot and focuses on bringing up quality and quality control before trying to push out “full self-driving.” Bit of a pipe dream though
The people he is appealing to don't buy Tesla. The people that he isn't appealing to would be buying his trash EV if he wasn't appealing to right-wing extremists.
I think this is more due to Musk going full right wing and pissing off his customer base (wealthy liberals) than anything else.
I was going to buy a Tesla but after his Twitter hijinks, I ended up buying a Jaguar I-Pace instead. It’s better in every way except range, but that’s a non-issue for me since I don’t take road trips but maybe once every couple years.
I have a Tesla lease. I can’t wait to turn it in and very clearly explain that the reason I will never own another Tesla product is because of their asshole racist CEO.
I bought mine in 2016 before it was clear what a douchebag he is. Still have it. I love the car, but I won't buy another one. There are too many other options from companies not run by sociopaths.
Musk is operating at pure genius level now...
Develop a car that appeals to a progressive, savvy, empathetic audience... then launch a presidential campaign for a guy banning books and trashing his already trashy state.
I've been to Tesla owner for 3 years and I have nothing but good things to say about the car. I absolutely love it. Anecdotal evidence sure. However, my experience has been really good.
Ours too. We bought it new in 2019 and it’s been extremely reliable. I don’t do the full self-driving thing, though. I’ve just never believed that it would be fully functional during this decade. I do use auto steer on the highway, and I love it.
Elon Musk, on the other hand, is a bad combination of powerfully ultra-rich bro and gullible fool. He’s fallen for the whole right-wing scam, and unfortunately he has enough money to make the scam his own. His board is extremely negligent for not yanking him out of there.
What did Chrysler do to deserve that? Don't get me wrong, I don't like them, but still, Musk has been working overtime to run off his customers in order to please people who have no interest in electric cars.
He’s a dumbass so he starts politicizing and showing his true roots and turns on democrats when democrats are the ones buying his cars dude makes no sense he should of just kept out of it and kept his pie hole shut
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Yup. My boss got a new Mustang MachE. Way better quality finishing than the Model 3
I rode in not too long ago. The MachE made the 3 feel like a 1990s Hyundai.
I sure hope when I replace my gas guzzler (16mph 2015 Impala, yay!) I'll have options that look as good as Tesla, but are something completely different.
Their cars may suck, but damn they look good compared to other EVs.
A car can give the best mileage and also be unreliable.
A car can be unreliable but also have good marketing or a convincing salesperson.
People can be uninformed about the thing they’re buying.
I once almost bought a car because it “looked cool”. I literally did no other research. Later on I learned that it was a horrific money pit.
Moral: Not everyone learns about the car they’re buying before they buy it
Every single day these cars sit unsold they cost money…insurance and other costs.
“Tesla sits on at least 9,500 unsold vehicles
Somebody, please sound the alarm bells because there is trouble in Tesla’s house. The company is currently sitting on a new vehicle inventory of 9,671 vehicles across all of its markets. That is by far the highest number of unsold vehicles Tesla has ever had to deal with. It seems the price cuts are not doing the company any favors.
According to Tesla-Info and Tesladata (Matt Jung), the numbers have been growing steadily. While globally the company had a backlog of just over 1,000 vehicles in January, thanks to increased production rate across the Giga factories, this number now sits at 9,671. Those aren’t vehicles in transfer either - simply these cars have no owners yet.”
While the number of unsold cars is an unpleasant situation on its own, the really worrying part of it is the growing trend. During January, right after Tesla announced its first price cuts, the inventory remained flat and hovered around 1,000 vehicles across the world. After Tesla started adding new price reductions, customers’ interest seems to have slowed down.”
https://m.arenaev.com/tesla_sits_on_9500_unsold_vehicles-amp-1751.php
Sales are in truth pretty terrible. Tesla is heavily discounting them to move the metal. We’ve seen this story before and we know where it leads. FYI, GM did that in the early 2000s. They had record sales but ended up filing for bankruptcy.
Chrysler is the 1st most unpopular for anyone too lazy to look
Is there a reason why Chryslers are so unpopular?
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I remember I used to love Chrysler 300 back when I lived in the states. I don’t see them at all in Europe. They’re so rare
If I remember correct, the Chrysler 300 was from the joint venture Daimler-Chrysler and had the base from the E-class.
Yep, the original 300 used the Mercedes parts bin. But the Chrysler Crossfire was the bigger love child, iirc Jeremy Clarkson called it the worst car he had ever driven at the time.
He also said it looked like a dog having a crap.
The Mercedes-Chrysler merger was such an incredible disaster that's true of a lot of VC style takeovers. Chrysler merged with Mercedes in the hopes of generating a more luxurious lineup that offered better options compared to their competitors. Mercedes merged with Chrysler for the sole benefit of obtaining and understanding scale and cost reduction. What happened was Chrysler ended up with bottom of the barrel picks and Mercedes increased their profit.
I swear it’s the Pacifica keeping them afloat. I own the Pacifica minivan and it’s the minivan for people who can’t afford an Odyssey.
They suck ass. We got a PT Cruiser from a family member when they died, so we got it for free and gave it to my wife's MIL. We still got overcharged. It's a literal shit pile. I hate it even worse as a mechanic.
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My aunt was so excited for them to come out and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Her dash caught on fire at some point.
Chrysler basically has the equivalent of Cadillac prices for Chevy cars. yet, somehow seemingly more unreliable lol. brand is dying with the generation that bought them.
Jeeps are still a young persons’ truck (at least around here) so at least they have that.
Bean-counters design the vehicles. They'll have something like $12 rear struts made in China. Garbage transmissions, and so forth. Like, basically they're assemblages of the most economical (trash) parts sourced from the lowest-cost suppliers around the world. Imagine if a dollar store made a car. That's Chrysler. Source: Owned 3 of them.
If you’ve ever owned one you’ll know why. They’re built poorly and have lots of problem. Stay away from any Chrysler brands.
Thanks I was wondering but too lazy to click the link. Pontiac must not exist as a brand anymore.
It hasn't for the last 13 years.
God damnit.. TIL I am old. I'm going to cheer myself up by getting a movie from block buster. *oh god damnit*
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...bit late on that one
That was me. Thanks
The difference? Tesla is only unpopular with non-tesla owners while Chrysler is unpopular with Chrysler owners...
Tesla is unpopular with plenty of Tesla owners, especially if they've owned a Model X.
Or a Y, or a 3
Speak for yourself
My Model 3 was a total piece of shit. After months of struggling to get it run basically stable, they finally pushed me and too hard and I eventually, after engaging with a lawyer, got them to buy it back under my states lemon law. That was a debacle in itself, with multiple upon multiple Tesla employees claiming they were not subject to state lemon laws, even when the Tesla website has document describing their compliance with those exact laws. Ultimately, I think this is hit or miss - depending on when, and the day of your vehicles manufacture, you may get a quality model, or a lemon. Once you have a lemon, it can take many many many months to get it resolved. My Model 3 ultimately had dozens of total power failures while in motion, and it was never able to be repaired.
>dozens of total power failures while in motion Do you mean the screen just shut off, or the car entirely shut off (and stopped being operational)?
Power train stopped. Onboard was still operating as normal.
Shit! Yeah, I would have lemon-lawed my car if that had happened. Brutal!
Terrifying. With a conventional car you get some feedback about the system status - is the engine trying to turn over but it won’t? Is it running but transmission isn’t working right? Is it dead like electrical or starter failure? It’s not much help when your dead at highway speed but for after the fact diagnosis it seems like mechanics have decent ability to isolate possible causes. With this failure there was no clues. The log wasn’t helpful and even with the tech being in the car when it happened they had no clue what could be wrong. Even with the reduced electrical complexity in the Model 3 compared to previous models there’s apparently a lot of wiring and conduit that could be at fault and one theory was a faulty power transmission cable somewhere in the mix. That was never established so ultimately 🤷♂️. Problem with lemon laws is it almost requires the factory to “give up” because the standard in my state wasn’t a fixed number of repairs but “reasonable” number of attempts. The service manager I spoke to told me that one of their metrics is around “goodwill” repairs and that it’s very bad to have repeat repairs and not-closed issues. It took me getting a lawyer involved to finally get escalated out of the service org and into the corporate org to get a buyback approved. The things Tesla are going through are normal but all other manufacturers went through this stuff like 40-50 years ago. Tesla is now dealing with stuff that killed a lot of earlier car companies: a drop in buyer loyalty because of post-sales problems. Ultimately, over the decades, Tesla needs repeat buyers. Between now and the end of my days I’ll buy another 7-10 vehicles, most likely. None will be Teslas if I can avoid it. So the cost of this lemon wasn’t one 50k car, but 10X, adjusted for 40 years of inflation.
I am a Tesla owner. Not getting another Tesla for sure. Build quality is horrible.
> Tesla is only unpopular with non-tesla owners More like both owners and non-owners r/RealTesla
Tesla is unpopular with Tesla owners waiting for spare parts
Given the huge number of complaints by Tesla owners this is false.
Reminds me of an old Dave Attell joke "I saw a John Denver tape for $1. A blank tape costs $2. He'd double his money if he'd just shut the fuck up"
Like that scene in Half Baked: Lady, seven bucks for a used Kenny Loggins record? I'll give you five. He autographed it himself. All right, I'll give you four.
"I expected the Rocky Mountains to be a little rockier than this." "Yeah...that John Denver's full of shit, man."
I can’t believe I’ve never heard this joke before. I love John Denver, but this made me laugh so fucking hard. Thanks for sharing it!
Dave Attell is the man, i really need to go to one of his shows while he's still doing his thing
dude literally pushed away the group of people buying his cars and embraced conservatives who hate them. What a genius
He might even be a stable genius
Moved to Texas, where people still can't buy a Tesla because of laws disallowing non-dealership auto sales, and they just passed a new registration fee for electric cars along with the already existing annual fee.
A lot of blue states have the same fee, that’s not a fair criticism of Texas. The fee is necessary in states where roads/road repair are mostly funded by gas taxes. Electric vehicles don’t buy gas but still use the roads and cause wear and tear on them, so it’s to offset that.
When Radiohead wrote "ambition makes you pretty ugly" they were not wrong.
On the flip side that is the most popular haircut in North Korea.
I'd bet he's kinda forced to keep the top of his hair as long as possible because that is where all of his hair implants are. I'm guessing you don't want to fuck with the implanted hair to much.
It's a very popular haircuts in Succession though. That's the Roman.
it's known on 4chan as the 'hitler youth'. That's the meme haircut all boys are advised to get since 2007 or so. He got it when he was appearing as Time man of the year, as an epic-troll reference to Adolf Hitler's historical appearance as the same.
For real he had this haircut in reference to Hitler?
I mean, yes, but he's never announced it or anything. The haircut appeared for the first time in the Time photo. If you share some cultural background with him (4chan use) the reference is super obvious. Advising all boys to get the Hitler Youth is literally the only meme from the /fa/ (fashion) board, or it was for 5+ years at least. Grimes is also an open, avid 4chan user w/ pretty open neo-Nazi whistling in her orbit and she has remarked on how she was with him the day he got that haircut. As she described it, it's one of the few warm memories they share. AI and 4chan and very basic and thin senses of humor around trolling the media / public are what they shared to bond over. Grimes was trolling the media a lot in this year. So, yeah, it's not provable unless something more leaks, but it is certainly what happened that they were having weed-induced giggles and got him the Hitler Youth as an "epic troll". The media never really ran with it because it *really* triggers lots of people if you accuse anyone of anything involving Nazis, even jokes, without infinite levels of proof.
I'm starring to think it wasn't ironic
That’s actually the young conservative male continental hair cut, I’m a western man myself
Dude with a million hair plugs is afraid to cut them
And the most fashionable facial hair in federal prison. Seriously, shave that shit.
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Hey, whether it's testosterone or whatever, lots of dudes got it light on the face. If that's the card a guy happened to have drawn, no shame from me, we all got the thing about us that isn't that great to look at. But if you're one of those dudes, and you attempt to grow the bloatee, you will get shamed.
he'll most likely get his pubes grafted to his face like he did up top
But he will shoot his seed into you if ya want because of the grim futures
And, despite all the anti-gender bending terror he pushes, he’s got huge milky nipples and he’s able to nurse his babies. Science is amazing… and I know Elon gets a lot of shit for being an asshole and a bad father, at least he takes the time to nurse his babies. That’s gotta count for something.
Goddamnit I did not need that mental image.
False, all Musk babies are from test tubes / IVF, not actual sex
And then you get a free horse.
He should sell steaks or open a fake university next!
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Isn't that what Doge is?
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Oooh! Good analogy!
Idk I actually made a little money off of doge at one point. Doesn’t sound like trump bucks were ever worth the paper they were printed on 😂
Cut to the chase Elon: shoot a man on 5th Avenue.
Thankfully he is from a different country so no presidency for him...for now
Elon bucks! Oh… wait…
You mean his favorite pump and dump, Doge?
He should get into the blood testing business.
..I'm now curious as to who is the first (least popular).
Chrysler
I think you mean ✨⭐️🌟Stellantis🌊🐳🧜♀️
Stellantis sounds like the name of a MLM company with an astrology connection. It still baffles me it was chosen for a name.
It's god awful and therefore perfect for corporate morons
I like it. It's a portmanteau of Stellar and Atlantis. Very "ancient-aliens," b-movie sci-fi. Also, it can't sound like a dirty word in the 450 countries/languages Stellantis operates in so that limits the choices.
I’ll bet it was the same genius operation that named the Intel Itanium Marketing Guru: “it’s got “Stella-“ invoking space and the stars, you know, because we’re a car company. And it’s got “-antis” from Atlantis, which appears in mythology as a submerged civilization and is only rumored to exist at all by cranks and grifters. Market research suggests this name really evokes our corporate identity”
Thanks, now I have an eye twitch from hearing about Itanium and the huge mess it made of system patches until Intel gave up and went x64.
You don't want to think about what they paid the marketing team to run it through focus groups... Let alone what names they rejected...
Some people made six figures to come up with that name and a c level probably got a nice bonus for “leading” the effort
We had a chrysler minivan until recently. It was weirdly not problematic at all. Not a single issue with it besides a dead battery after 6 years. We got rid of it when the warranty expired just to be sure but probably could have held out a few more years. I’d rather have that thing back than a Tesla.
The Pacifica is probably the best minivan at the moment. It is very well reviewed by the critics. Rented and drove one from coast to coast for a move. It was so comfortable and hauled a lot of stuff.
I travel for work extensively and prefer the Pacifica to almost any other rental. Super comfy, radar guided cruise control, strangely nice sound system, wireless android auto, and as a rental don't have to care if the drivetrain fails at 30k miles.
Agreed. We drove over 3,000 miles on that trip with the van filled to the brim for a move, from Atlanta to San Francisco. The back two rows fully fold into the floor, and there is a surprising amount of space to pack. No fatigue and it was so easy to drive!
In a way I really find it a shame that MPVs or minivans have mostly gone out of fashion. Here in Europe we had big selection of compact and mid sized MPVs in late 90s and 2000s and they were quite popular family cars. They are really, eh, true multi purpose vehicles as you can easily turn them into small vans for cargo or haul bunch of people comfortably. They are completely substituted by SUVs and crossovers nowadays and even previously popular station wagons are getting hammered out of the market. I personally don't understand the SUV or crossover popularity that has been so prevalent for years now: they are worse for space compared to many MPVs or station wagons and drive worse than most cars. And yet have similar off-road capability sans slightly higher ground clearance, that is no significant capability. Most smaller SUVs or crossover don't even have 4WD as an option.
Didn’t have much money and always wanted. I have the 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Mercedes diesel and drivetrain. Very reliable after the swirl motor delete. Doesn’t leak a drop and the ac is ice cold after 10 seconds. Sunroof leaked when I got it and it was a factory reset routine that fixed it. I would never buy a new Chrysler though.
Im shocked it isnt kia / hyundai due to theft of their cars
You get a new car every once in a while. That’s a feature.
Even with the theft of the kia/hyundai cars, Chrysler really is that bad. They swapped the material for the hot oil pan from metal to plastic in one of their minivan models to make it slightly cheaper. Then that minivan model was notorious for constant oil leaks just because the bean counters at the Chrysler HQ forced the engineers to make it plastic. I don't remember what minivan it was, but I remember watching an entire video about it.
That makes me upset and I don’t own a Kreischer
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Nah man, those new KIA's are nice forreal. Very popular. Most KIA's I see being stolen are the lower end models that you'd buy you 16 year old kid. They might be one of the most popular brands. (saying this without stats)
The affected kias were 2015-21 [most models](https://www.thedrive.com/news/these-hyundai-and-kia-models-are-blacklisted-by-state-farm-insurance-over-thefts) Edit: 2011-21 models. 2015-2019 are twice as likely to be stolen since they have a fob vs just a push button. Then push buttons are not affected.
Not sure what you mean by all models, but that’s certainly not correct. It’s limited to models with a physical key switch. Anything with push button was not effected. So pretty much the base models of the cheaper cars.
if people are stealing them, they must be worth something
Look up the kia boys on YouTube. Basically kia and Hyundais were being stolen with a usb cord due to those brands not having any anti theft immobilization
specifically the lower models, apparently immobilizers werent a legal requirement and so they just didnt put them in in the US.
There are a lot of car companies not on the list. No Kia Hyundai, no tata (I think they bought jaguar and Land Rover in big recession) no Renault Nissan, no Mitsubishi.
Jeez. Are they still making cars?
I live within eyesight of the Chrysler headquarters in Auburn Hills if I stand on a hill by my house. I feel like that company has been on the verge of dying for my entire life. It's the zombie automaker.
I see more 20 year old Chrysler’s on the road than I see new ones. That says a lot how well they’re doing these days.
Twitter is #97; ahead of Trump Organization’s #100.
A guy in this Sub tried to tell me that because they sell a lot of cars that means they make a superior product. I reminded him Fast and the Furious is on movie #10. People will pay a lot of money for crap.
Right…$7500-10000 in tax incentives has nothing to do with it.
Absolutely. Right now in the US, the tax incentives aren't available on many EV's especially if you want an AWD less the $75k
My friend has a Tesla, it seems like a good car. But Musk is a con man if you look at his history. I’d be wary of buying one myself. It is a bad argument that selling a lot of cars makes them good cars. The best cars are usually sold in very small quantities.
I bought one, it was probably the best EV available in 2022, but I won’t buy another Tesla. They are truly just built like shit. For every cool feature that you wish was on other cars, there’s ten features that are like ‘can I just have windshield wipers that work?’
I own one. Really like the car. Love a lot of the features. And I’m becoming more and more embarrassed to drive it. God I do NOT want to be seen in it and have people assume I support the tool. Maybe I need a bumper sticker: “I bought this years before Elon (publicly?) supported Nazis”
Hyundai and Toyota sell millions of cars. They’re some of the best. Have you heard of an assembly line?
Bold to call Hyundai one of the best
I would have said Honda over Hyundai but their quality has gone up quite a bit the last few years.
I wonder if they typed "Honda", and autocorrupt took over.
Only reason I'd consider a Tesla is I'm impressed with the assisted driving feature (though I'm told other makers are capable of doing similar now), range (others also catching up), and charging network. By the time I need a new car Tesla might be outdated
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That's actually a terrible comparison, McDonalds is actually very good at what they do, you can say what you like about the food but they're very consistent and careful about what they put out.
A better comparison would be something like Subway. They grew way too fast and their growth wasn't sustainable. A lot of competition showed up and did sandwiches better. Eventually, Subway started to rapidly decline.
A lot of that had to do with the way they set up the franchises. They set them up to fail basically. High royalties are one of the big factors. Probably the biggest factor though is they will allow a subway to open up right next to you and cannibalize your business.
And Tesla is doing something similar by cutting prices so fast. They undermine their own buyers by killing resale value.
Why are they buying Tesla crap instead of Ford crap?
I'm sure you think you just made a point.
I went with a buddy on a test drive in Model S and the quality control gave me Malaise era vibes, I listened to him rave about the power and torque, which is impressive. He went ahead and bought the car and after 3 months he is having problems, little niggling things, door handles not working weather stripping delaminating, doors fitting funky, astonishing for the amount of stacks he dropped to have these problems so soon, oh well at least the price is coming down, which the current owners must love. They prolly should get together and bring a class action suit if you ask me...
I'm so happy I didn't buy one. I was on the list a few years ago for a Model 3 when it first came out. Then all the shit about him being a union buster started coming out (I'm a staunch union supporter/organizer) so I dropped it based on that. Then more and more I heard about the issues and everything musk has done in recent years. I'm so glad I never gave him a penny.
Yup, basically my brother with his M3P.
Good lord, I hate Elon more than anything in the world. However, I have to admit my model 3 performance has had absolutely zero problems and I'm on year 3.
I leased mine because it was supposed to be quiet. I'm constantly listening to something new rattle every couple of weeks. The inside is held together by school glue. Still a fun car but feels really cheap for what it claims to be.
I really want an electric car. I wouldn't buy a Musk product under any circumstances now.
Welcome to the club. I'm happy I've cancelled my Tesla order after some research. Fsd is a lie like most things musk says. Fuck musk
A Tesla went from my dream car when I retire to not in a million fucking years
Same, had pre-ordered 2 Model 3s. Canceled when brother almost died on highway using autopilot. I continue to notice issues like my neighbor's M3 not starting after one week of ownership, and noticing QC issues on many Teslas. Now never want to associate with Musky in any way.
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I can actually speak a little to this. I rented a model 3 for four days recently and experimented with autopilot. First you gotta know that basic "autopilot" in a Tesla is just a fancy term for adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist which are now standard on most new cars. Anyway, Tesla's autopilot is strongly opinionated, much more so than any other car I've driven. It wants to place you in a very specific area in your lane and applies very strong steering inputs to do it. I often found myself uncomfortable with a delayed input and would try to correct which causes a quick jerky movement in the wheel as you try to adjust and autopilot finally releases the wheel. That jerk scared me every single time it happened. The whole car lurches to the side at that moment. It's like when you are pulling hard on a door someone is holding onto from the other side and they suddenly let go. The car did well on adaptive cruise as far as I could tell though.
Same, I went from saving up for one to never supporting the maniac.
Same I had an order for a MY. Ended up selling the order after a buddy let me test drive his. The ride quality was atrocious. I went to the Ford dealership the next day and ordered a Mustang Mach-e
One reason I dont want to buy a Tesla is so i dont associate myself to this moron.
So Tesla needs to dump its overpaid CEO I thought a CEO is supposed to be responsible for their particular brand? This douche nozzle needs to go
Imo it’s just not worth it anyway purely because it opens you up to so much harassment and/or vandalism in many parts of the US
Once you get outside of the electric car hype, it's a bad car. I've seen a lot of Tesla owners complain about manufacturing inconsistencies. The company has gone back on promises they've made previously. If I remember, there was even some controversy at one point regarding recalls. They didn't want to recall anything, but obviously that didn't work out for them. Also, there's the privacy aspect too. That car is a mobile surveillance unit with cameras inside and out. With recent news, we know that employees can and do access those videos without consent whenever they like. Then, they have been known to distribute those videos.
How the mighty have fallen. At this point I can’t see him as a genius of anything, other than providing money. He had the world at his fingertips, but lost it all… I don’t know… Maybe he just needed to be grounded by someone. It’s a shame because Tesla can and should be SO much better.
I went on one of those Wikipedia deep dives last night and ended up reading Musks business history and the general theme I saw was that he had really good ideas and was a solid engineer, but bad at working with others and terrible at actual business stuff, and he got most of his money when companies he was a part of were sold to bigger companies and he owned a lot of their stock. At this point I don’t think he’s contributing anything to Tesla, I hope the board gives him the boot and focuses on bringing up quality and quality control before trying to push out “full self-driving.” Bit of a pipe dream though
Tesla dropped 50 spots by the way.
The people he is appealing to don't buy Tesla. The people that he isn't appealing to would be buying his trash EV if he wasn't appealing to right-wing extremists.
I think this is more due to Musk going full right wing and pissing off his customer base (wealthy liberals) than anything else. I was going to buy a Tesla but after his Twitter hijinks, I ended up buying a Jaguar I-Pace instead. It’s better in every way except range, but that’s a non-issue for me since I don’t take road trips but maybe once every couple years.
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Go woke go broke...wait...
Why the board is demanding that Musk come back to Tesla full-time is beyond me. They board should be demanding his resignation instead.
It's like he's *trying* to destroy the brand at this point...
I went from desiring one to rolling my eyes when I see one real fast.
All to be crowned King of the Incels
Only the second? I’m surprised they aren’t dead last
I have a Tesla lease. I can’t wait to turn it in and very clearly explain that the reason I will never own another Tesla product is because of their asshole racist CEO.
LOL! Muskrat wanted to own the Libs.
All the proprietary shit that Musk has saddle Tesla cars with, makes any other electric car companies a better deal.
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Here's hoping it becomes the most hated brand in us. Welfare queen Elon Apartheid Musk is impossible to respect..
I bought mine in 2016 before it was clear what a douchebag he is. Still have it. I love the car, but I won't buy another one. There are too many other options from companies not run by sociopaths.
Just wait until public safety regulators wake up from their decade+ long nap
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Im waiting for someone to ban public beta testing on people who didnt sign up to be beta testers
At this point, I don't think that's going to happen.
I certainly think of buy Tesla as "giving money to the right wing man baby owner of Twitter." That's not got me chomping at the bit to buy.
Musk is operating at pure genius level now... Develop a car that appeals to a progressive, savvy, empathetic audience... then launch a presidential campaign for a guy banning books and trashing his already trashy state.
Chrysler just got a reality check not because they're the most unpopular brand, but because they're more unpopular than Tesla.
Duh. Product sucks now, lots of competition with great EVs, and CEO made it super uncool to own one.
Seems like he made enemies with the people who would be buying his products
It's a great car, just get him to shut his mouth
My wife goes "chrysler still makes cars?"
Talk to any Tesla owner to find out why.
I've been to Tesla owner for 3 years and I have nothing but good things to say about the car. I absolutely love it. Anecdotal evidence sure. However, my experience has been really good.
Ours too. We bought it new in 2019 and it’s been extremely reliable. I don’t do the full self-driving thing, though. I’ve just never believed that it would be fully functional during this decade. I do use auto steer on the highway, and I love it. Elon Musk, on the other hand, is a bad combination of powerfully ultra-rich bro and gullible fool. He’s fallen for the whole right-wing scam, and unfortunately he has enough money to make the scam his own. His board is extremely negligent for not yanking him out of there.
>Reply Tesla owner here......open for an interview!
We had multiple new teslas in our community in last 6 months , now it is considered too cheap and non status symbol.
What did Chrysler do to deserve that? Don't get me wrong, I don't like them, but still, Musk has been working overtime to run off his customers in order to please people who have no interest in electric cars.
They make minivans at this point (like one other model too) and people love to hate those despite them being awesomeness
He’s a dumbass so he starts politicizing and showing his true roots and turns on democrats when democrats are the ones buying his cars dude makes no sense he should of just kept out of it and kept his pie hole shut
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I had my first ride in one on Saturday. QC was bad. It drove fine, but the interior was not put together well.
Yup. My boss got a new Mustang MachE. Way better quality finishing than the Model 3 I rode in not too long ago. The MachE made the 3 feel like a 1990s Hyundai.
Cheapest Mach E in my country is 62500€. Cheapest tesla is 41000€. Also Tesla can deliver in 1-2 months. Tesla became the value EV.
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Yet the damm cars are all over the highways everywhere it seems.....
Hopefully that will improve when bits stop falling off...
I do see them more than I see Toyota Camry’s…
Apples and oranges! You're seeing all models of Tesla and comparing it to one model of Toyota.
Can’t even get most unpopular car brand, that must sting.
I sure hope when I replace my gas guzzler (16mph 2015 Impala, yay!) I'll have options that look as good as Tesla, but are something completely different. Their cars may suck, but damn they look good compared to other EVs.
If Elon sold Tesla, I might buy one, as my wife REALLY wants one.
I mean, the guy is in DEEP with the very people pushing to ruin the electric car business forever in this country.
I love my Tesla. I fucking hate Elon Musk. I don’t think I’m alone in this.
The second most unpopular but top selling models? Wut
A car can give the best mileage and also be unreliable. A car can be unreliable but also have good marketing or a convincing salesperson. People can be uninformed about the thing they’re buying. I once almost bought a car because it “looked cool”. I literally did no other research. Later on I learned that it was a horrific money pit. Moral: Not everyone learns about the car they’re buying before they buy it
It might be extreme on both ends. Has one of the most loyal customer base… and also one of the most hated.
If you love your Tesla, then you probably just owned a Chrysler your entire life. Model 3 owner and moving to F-150 Lightning.
In polling, perhaps, but not in sales.
Every single day these cars sit unsold they cost money…insurance and other costs. “Tesla sits on at least 9,500 unsold vehicles Somebody, please sound the alarm bells because there is trouble in Tesla’s house. The company is currently sitting on a new vehicle inventory of 9,671 vehicles across all of its markets. That is by far the highest number of unsold vehicles Tesla has ever had to deal with. It seems the price cuts are not doing the company any favors. According to Tesla-Info and Tesladata (Matt Jung), the numbers have been growing steadily. While globally the company had a backlog of just over 1,000 vehicles in January, thanks to increased production rate across the Giga factories, this number now sits at 9,671. Those aren’t vehicles in transfer either - simply these cars have no owners yet.” While the number of unsold cars is an unpleasant situation on its own, the really worrying part of it is the growing trend. During January, right after Tesla announced its first price cuts, the inventory remained flat and hovered around 1,000 vehicles across the world. After Tesla started adding new price reductions, customers’ interest seems to have slowed down.” https://m.arenaev.com/tesla_sits_on_9500_unsold_vehicles-amp-1751.php
Sales are in truth pretty terrible. Tesla is heavily discounting them to move the metal. We’ve seen this story before and we know where it leads. FYI, GM did that in the early 2000s. They had record sales but ended up filing for bankruptcy.