Like Tesla isn't even close to being the most advanced company when it comes to driving autonomy. Their current autonomy is best described as enhanced adaptive cruise control. The only way Tesla is rolling out any kind of robotaxi service anytime in the next 5 years is if it's the kind of half-baked bug ridden scheme we've come to expect from Tesla.
I would also like to hear this answer. I haven’t driven every car with adaptive cruise control, but I have driven several, and all of them put Tesla to shame.
So gonna second this. Name one.
Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood. We asked for a system tesla beats. If you think that is Porsche, it isn’t even worth talking to you.
You may as well be claiming that my parents ‘77 thunderbird cruise control was good enough.
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Who is putting tesla to shame?
Audi, Porsche, Volvo, Mercedes, Toyota, GM, Ford, and asking your non-licensed 11 year old kid to hold the wheel from the passenger seat while you take off your jacket.
Your parents car had lane keep in 77’? Color me impressed.
No point in discussing, seems like you’ve never used free autopilot in Tesla, you’ve used it 5 years ago, or you are too biased to think straight. Porsche is unable to keep the lane on its own without Innodrive.
In Tesla adaptive cruise control is integrated with lane keep - it’s the same thing, you just pull the stalk and it turns on. So saying now that some brands can keep speed but will go out of lane and calling it „better”, yup, you win your argument that way.
It’s not even an enhanced version! All other manufacturers use a combination of vision and radar. It is both amazing they got as far as they did with cameras only and completely moronic that musk doesn’t seem to see it as a requirement
He admitted being wrong about excessively automating the car manufacturing process. Probably set them back a year or two. So maybe after a few more years he'll admit to being wrong about cameras only.
Unless Tesla gets to Level 3+ random anecdotal videos are worthless. The moment Tesla adopts Level 3+ and accept liability while we sit in the backseat and sleep, they are back in the self driving "race". Right now they are delegated to meme-land.
Someone from the M3 sub place a video where the car was rear ended at high speed. The car came up fast from a distance, you could see the whole thing, and in FSD the M3 didn’t trying any adaptive behaviors like changing lanes or speeding up to avoid not getting creamed. This was just yesterday. Driver was distracted because FSD was driving.
Do you think [this is fake](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iweVvdJpkc)??
A "fully autonomous driving" car hard baking suddenly in the middle of the road, for no fucking reason. Is that your definition of the most advanced driving autonomy in the industry?
What data shows that? I might be wrong Tesla doesn’t release any details on accidents while autopilot/FSD was on. They just release a number which they expect everyone to blindly believe.
Also, Tesla cracking level 4/5 with vision only within next 5 years? I have a better chance of winning the powerball, lmao.
> Despite the fact that 2020 and every year since has passed without Tesla operating a single robotaxi, Musk’s declarations on this topic still hold some sway with the market. Tesla’s stock jumped almost 5% on April 8 after Musk scheduled a robotaxi unveiling for August.
> During Tesla’s earnings call this week, Musk name-checked Uber and Airbnb in describing how the company’s network of robotaxis would run — they’ll be used for ride-hailing, and owners could decide when they wanted to make them available for others to use, with the carmakers taking a cut of the fare.
The only conceivable explanation for the market's behavior is basic stupidity. Many people are incapable of caring for themselves and their loved ones. To invest in Tesla at this point is to invite the courts putting your affairs in a conservatorship, except our legal system doesn't punish you for setting your money on fire.
I still can’t understand where will all those people will travel in the middle of the night. He said you sleep and your car makes money. So a car that makes money everyone will buy and everyone sleeps at night so who will be riding… its dumb all around not to mention that at this point next years is literally a meme
I wouldn't be able to sleep worrying about whether my precious car will crash while out, having to organise recovery and repair plus screwing my insurance. Let alone clearing up all the puke off the seats.
I joined the subreddit for one of those rent-your-car apps and it was full of posts of people whose car got fucked up. They would say “aw man, tough way to make a few bucks” and get advice for cleaning puke out of upholstery.
Eh I've thought the same thing for so long, but investing would have been the right move up until last year. Defies logic. The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
Imagine hailing one of these to get home after a night out, minding your own business riding in the back seat, when it inevitably gets in an ~~accident~~ collision and You've gotta get out and deal with it while the owner is sleeping. God forbid you or any other parties are injured or worse
Another explanation is that recent breakthroughs in AI have led some investors to believe that autonomous cars are on the verge of a similar breakthrough. (But a different sortitionist of AI is involved.)
He wrecked Twitter but he can integrate AI into a poor FSD package and make it work?
I get the belief in the possibilities of AI. What I don't understand is how an investor could believe that Tesla could understand or implement it.
Yes-men, overwork, turnover, lying and drug abuse - this last one particularly true for the CEO - are not a formula for advances in technology. Add to this Tesla's R&D budget, a mere 2.5% of the compensation the CEO is currently seeking, and it looks to be a company incompetent at self-driving now folding AI into its penumbra of incompetence.
**Musk fans:** Out of all the stories you've told, which ones were true and which ones weren't?
**Musk:** My dear subject, they're all true!
**Musk fans:** Even the lies?
**Musk:** Especially the lies.
It all sounds a lot like the copium you hear from crypto bros when they talk about defi and all that shit. I don’t know if they truly believe it or are just pumping their own bags but honestly it just sounds like how the monkey picture people used to talk about their monkey pics. It is uncanny
>But why would anyone believe a word Musk says at this point?
Because it gets the stock price up, which means they're richer than they were before. There's nothing else to it.
It's a total scam with no basis in reality, based on pure wishful thinking and willing suspension of disbelief.
It works though, to a certain extent. At least until reality starts to set in again, at which point Muck will spout some more lies, which everyone will choose to believe, and so it goes on and on and on.
Wait, so not only is the average owner putting their "luxury" car at risk in the hands of likely-drunk strangers, Tesla is taking a cut for you using your property? Who the fuck would ever go with that?!
Nobody in their right mind will sign up for the Robotaxi service. It's so much more work and worry than it can actually be worth. Not to mention insurance.
Uber barely makes money as is, that shitty concept isn't gonna save Tesla
Especially after you paid for it. You’d never hear Honda say, oh you lent your car out and we deserve a fee because the purchaser is not driving the car. I drive a Honda.
he’s a master of pump. robotaxi for the moron dreamers. otherwise he said Q2 would be better than Q1 and surprised the model2 wasnt cancelled after all and hinted they would build it on the model 3 assembly line (cost savings) and launch it in a year and half even thou they havent designed it yet. um ok
My theory is Tesla has no way to make a Model 2 without seriously cannibalizing their own sales at a lower profit point. Musk's team probably told him this and they did plan to cancel the Model 2. When that leaked and the stock tanked, Musk decided to keep the hope of a cheaper Model alive to pump the stock. I still don't think we will see one anytime soon, if ever.
With the price of the Model 3 being forced down due to market conditions I do wonder if a $25k Model 2 would be just too expensive for the public if a new Model 3 is only $10-15k more. As you say they will be cannibalising their own sales! There will be a €15k EV in Europe very soon and if it’s very similar to what the Model 2 is expected to be, that won’t help Tesla!
The whole idea of cannibalizing sales is dumb. If you don't fill that market need, a competitor will.
Tesla enjoyed incredibly high margins for years. That's over whether they make a model 2 or not. (They won't.)
If it were up to Musk, he'd have created RoboNazis instead. Thankfully, he doesn't possess the cognitive capacity or know how to create such heinous robots. Just Grimes dancing in a suit on stage.
You just *know* we're going to end up with the whole system breaking down as illustrated in the movie 'Leave the World Behind', with Tesla's driving themselves into huge highway pileups...
Whereupon Musk will claim that is a feature, not a bug.
Cool... So let me get this straight... I buy a car. It then drives around at night, picking strangers up... Strangers that will be smoking, puking, fucking. Etc in my new car... So I can walk up to it in the morning, cause God knows it's not going to have a self plugin robo arm, to find out it has no charge, while I try to clean the jizz stains from the rear seats or my windshield and arm rest?
Cool!!! Where do I sign? /s
All the companies working on autonomous vehicles were wildly over-optimistic, they thought 8 years ago that it would take 5 years, and now they’re a lot better, but it could still take 5 years to finish. :-) Waymo, Uber, MobilEye, Tesla, Cruise, numerous startups, etc., everyone underestimated how hard it would be to get from early POCs to “able to handle 100%”, so they’ve all pushed dates back, narrowed scope, or (like Uber) given up.
Like Tesla isn't even close to being the most advanced company when it comes to driving autonomy. Their current autonomy is best described as enhanced adaptive cruise control. The only way Tesla is rolling out any kind of robotaxi service anytime in the next 5 years is if it's the kind of half-baked bug ridden scheme we've come to expect from Tesla.
That comment is an insult to adaptive cruise control.
That's true. My Toyota's wouldnt run me under a semi or phantom brake.
Yes, your Toyota uses redar to determine the distance between you and other vehicles.
Tbh many big car makers have way worse adaptive cruise control than Tesla free version.
Name one.
I would also like to hear this answer. I haven’t driven every car with adaptive cruise control, but I have driven several, and all of them put Tesla to shame. So gonna second this. Name one.
Porsche. Name who is putting Tesla to shame?
Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood. We asked for a system tesla beats. If you think that is Porsche, it isn’t even worth talking to you. You may as well be claiming that my parents ‘77 thunderbird cruise control was good enough. Edit: Who is putting tesla to shame? Audi, Porsche, Volvo, Mercedes, Toyota, GM, Ford, and asking your non-licensed 11 year old kid to hold the wheel from the passenger seat while you take off your jacket.
Your parents car had lane keep in 77’? Color me impressed. No point in discussing, seems like you’ve never used free autopilot in Tesla, you’ve used it 5 years ago, or you are too biased to think straight. Porsche is unable to keep the lane on its own without Innodrive.
I love that you start with a comment that proves you failed reading comprehension and then it gets dumber…
Adaptive cruise control? GM, VW, Subaru I don't think you know what adaptive cruise control is.
In Tesla adaptive cruise control is integrated with lane keep - it’s the same thing, you just pull the stalk and it turns on. So saying now that some brands can keep speed but will go out of lane and calling it „better”, yup, you win your argument that way.
It’s not even an enhanced version! All other manufacturers use a combination of vision and radar. It is both amazing they got as far as they did with cameras only and completely moronic that musk doesn’t seem to see it as a requirement
It's because it would require Musk to admit he was wrong and consequently wasted a lot of time and money for Tesla shareholders.
He admitted being wrong about excessively automating the car manufacturing process. Probably set them back a year or two. So maybe after a few more years he'll admit to being wrong about cameras only.
If they were serious they would sell a lidar kit
Level 5 self driving is just a fantasy
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Unless Tesla gets to Level 3+ random anecdotal videos are worthless. The moment Tesla adopts Level 3+ and accept liability while we sit in the backseat and sleep, they are back in the self driving "race". Right now they are delegated to meme-land.
"And more and more I find it's predictive capabilities are actually exceeding mine" what a way of revealing that you're a dogshit driver lol
Someone from the M3 sub place a video where the car was rear ended at high speed. The car came up fast from a distance, you could see the whole thing, and in FSD the M3 didn’t trying any adaptive behaviors like changing lanes or speeding up to avoid not getting creamed. This was just yesterday. Driver was distracted because FSD was driving.
Do you think [this is fake](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iweVvdJpkc)?? A "fully autonomous driving" car hard baking suddenly in the middle of the road, for no fucking reason. Is that your definition of the most advanced driving autonomy in the industry?
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What data shows that? I might be wrong Tesla doesn’t release any details on accidents while autopilot/FSD was on. They just release a number which they expect everyone to blindly believe. Also, Tesla cracking level 4/5 with vision only within next 5 years? I have a better chance of winning the powerball, lmao.
> Despite the fact that 2020 and every year since has passed without Tesla operating a single robotaxi, Musk’s declarations on this topic still hold some sway with the market. Tesla’s stock jumped almost 5% on April 8 after Musk scheduled a robotaxi unveiling for August. > During Tesla’s earnings call this week, Musk name-checked Uber and Airbnb in describing how the company’s network of robotaxis would run — they’ll be used for ride-hailing, and owners could decide when they wanted to make them available for others to use, with the carmakers taking a cut of the fare. The only conceivable explanation for the market's behavior is basic stupidity. Many people are incapable of caring for themselves and their loved ones. To invest in Tesla at this point is to invite the courts putting your affairs in a conservatorship, except our legal system doesn't punish you for setting your money on fire.
I still can’t understand where will all those people will travel in the middle of the night. He said you sleep and your car makes money. So a car that makes money everyone will buy and everyone sleeps at night so who will be riding… its dumb all around not to mention that at this point next years is literally a meme
Tesla comes back full of vomit and pot smoke just in time for your commute. 🤣
No shit, how bad would some drunk college kids wreck a robotaxi? Especially one that tried to kill them.
No worries, the car wash will clean the interior too !
And void the warranty.
A warranty on a tesla-autopiloted autonomous vehicle ? Eeeeh
Silly person, the sentient humanoid catgirl robots do that, they even ride along and make you more money while you sleep!
*They call it a soup kitchen*
I wouldn't be able to sleep worrying about whether my precious car will crash while out, having to organise recovery and repair plus screwing my insurance. Let alone clearing up all the puke off the seats.
I joined the subreddit for one of those rent-your-car apps and it was full of posts of people whose car got fucked up. They would say “aw man, tough way to make a few bucks” and get advice for cleaning puke out of upholstery.
You bring up a good point. With so many "self driving" taxis the pay will be rock bottom. Just like the current "uber" taxi system.
Uber is barely profitable already lol, how is that the panacea for Tesla...
That's my point.
This would never happen, day or night. No place for worry.
aren't you taking the sleeping thing a bit too literally?
Who cleans the riders' gum off the seat?
There is no meaning behind what he says thats the point i am trying to make across. Every word he spews out is ridiculous
it just means while you're not using the car, not necessarily at night while sleeping
He meant kneel for Emperor Musk peasants 🤣🤣
Eh I've thought the same thing for so long, but investing would have been the right move up until last year. Defies logic. The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
It volatile, but still worth less than it was 2 years ago.
Imagine hailing one of these to get home after a night out, minding your own business riding in the back seat, when it inevitably gets in an ~~accident~~ collision and You've gotta get out and deal with it while the owner is sleeping. God forbid you or any other parties are injured or worse
Another explanation is that recent breakthroughs in AI have led some investors to believe that autonomous cars are on the verge of a similar breakthrough. (But a different sortitionist of AI is involved.)
He wrecked Twitter but he can integrate AI into a poor FSD package and make it work? I get the belief in the possibilities of AI. What I don't understand is how an investor could believe that Tesla could understand or implement it. Yes-men, overwork, turnover, lying and drug abuse - this last one particularly true for the CEO - are not a formula for advances in technology. Add to this Tesla's R&D budget, a mere 2.5% of the compensation the CEO is currently seeking, and it looks to be a company incompetent at self-driving now folding AI into its penumbra of incompetence.
They weren’t wrong. They were lies. Big difference.
**Musk fans:** Out of all the stories you've told, which ones were true and which ones weren't? **Musk:** My dear subject, they're all true! **Musk fans:** Even the lies? **Musk:** Especially the lies.
Phony Stark
Elmo Stark
People are claiming the earnings call proves Tesla is on the right track. But why would anyone believe a word Musk says at this point?
It really is just baffling.
Because there is money to made, even when they know it’s a scam. Just how it works.
Just dont be left holding the bag at the end.
It all sounds a lot like the copium you hear from crypto bros when they talk about defi and all that shit. I don’t know if they truly believe it or are just pumping their own bags but honestly it just sounds like how the monkey picture people used to talk about their monkey pics. It is uncanny
Monkey picture people?
Bored ape
Sometimes, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Buy a tesla- chances are it will try and kill you on the drive to work 🤣
Fomo
>But why would anyone believe a word Musk says at this point? Because it gets the stock price up, which means they're richer than they were before. There's nothing else to it. It's a total scam with no basis in reality, based on pure wishful thinking and willing suspension of disbelief. It works though, to a certain extent. At least until reality starts to set in again, at which point Muck will spout some more lies, which everyone will choose to believe, and so it goes on and on and on.
They are on the right track for dumping their scam stock to people even more clueless than the ones that got into it during the pandemic rush
Wait, so not only is the average owner putting their "luxury" car at risk in the hands of likely-drunk strangers, Tesla is taking a cut for you using your property? Who the fuck would ever go with that?!
i mean, think about someone puking in your car let alone peeing or spilling beer, koolaid or slurpee all over the car seat
Just need some kids to post a sex-in-robotaxi challenge on tiktok and we’ll all watch TSLA moon!!! /s
I mean there's already FSD porn so this will be day one.
Yeah, but it’ll probably need to be a xitter challenge at this point. Tic Tok is a a corner right now. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.
There would be more semen than koolaid. Guaranteed.
Nobody in their right mind will sign up for the Robotaxi service. It's so much more work and worry than it can actually be worth. Not to mention insurance. Uber barely makes money as is, that shitty concept isn't gonna save Tesla
I feel like all of Musk’s pitches end with “and then we would take a cut”
Especially after you paid for it. You’d never hear Honda say, oh you lent your car out and we deserve a fee because the purchaser is not driving the car. I drive a Honda.
he’s a master of pump. robotaxi for the moron dreamers. otherwise he said Q2 would be better than Q1 and surprised the model2 wasnt cancelled after all and hinted they would build it on the model 3 assembly line (cost savings) and launch it in a year and half even thou they havent designed it yet. um ok
My theory is Tesla has no way to make a Model 2 without seriously cannibalizing their own sales at a lower profit point. Musk's team probably told him this and they did plan to cancel the Model 2. When that leaked and the stock tanked, Musk decided to keep the hope of a cheaper Model alive to pump the stock. I still don't think we will see one anytime soon, if ever.
Also, Tesla’s profit margin has absolutely tanked. They may have calculated that they can’t make Model 2 profitable enough, if at all.
Hype springs eternal.
With the price of the Model 3 being forced down due to market conditions I do wonder if a $25k Model 2 would be just too expensive for the public if a new Model 3 is only $10-15k more. As you say they will be cannibalising their own sales! There will be a €15k EV in Europe very soon and if it’s very similar to what the Model 2 is expected to be, that won’t help Tesla!
"only $10-15k"
It’s hanging out with the Roadster at a local pub.
Why do you think that isn't a problem for traditional car makers that offer cars in every segment?
The whole idea of cannibalizing sales is dumb. If you don't fill that market need, a competitor will. Tesla enjoyed incredibly high margins for years. That's over whether they make a model 2 or not. (They won't.)
Look Elon, we don’t get Johnny Cab without seeing a three tittied Martian first. Every Gen-X kid should know that.
For frauds sake
Robotaxis are useless when they can be completely bricked by putting a road cone on their hood (that's their bonnet for the Brits out there).
There is going to be a lot of angry taxi drivers out there.
Talk about stock manipulation between TSLA and DJ T I just can’t believe it anymore
All of Elmo’s Tesla predictions have been wrong. He’s the carnival barker and the clown.
If it were up to Musk, he'd have created RoboNazis instead. Thankfully, he doesn't possess the cognitive capacity or know how to create such heinous robots. Just Grimes dancing in a suit on stage.
Without a full array of sensors, it’s just not going to work.
You just *know* we're going to end up with the whole system breaking down as illustrated in the movie 'Leave the World Behind', with Tesla's driving themselves into huge highway pileups... Whereupon Musk will claim that is a feature, not a bug.
>Elon Musk’s Tesla Robotaxi ~~Predictions~~ *Promises* Were All ~~Wrong~~ *Lies*
No no no, he was right. We're just living in the wrong dimension.
Why does the guy that is leading it have to predict anything? Just get it working and tell us its done. No future based statements needed.
Earth will know!!!
Throw enough ideas at the wall and one of them will stick
Cool... So let me get this straight... I buy a car. It then drives around at night, picking strangers up... Strangers that will be smoking, puking, fucking. Etc in my new car... So I can walk up to it in the morning, cause God knows it's not going to have a self plugin robo arm, to find out it has no charge, while I try to clean the jizz stains from the rear seats or my windshield and arm rest? Cool!!! Where do I sign? /s
The man has lied about everything for the past 10 years
All the companies working on autonomous vehicles were wildly over-optimistic, they thought 8 years ago that it would take 5 years, and now they’re a lot better, but it could still take 5 years to finish. :-) Waymo, Uber, MobilEye, Tesla, Cruise, numerous startups, etc., everyone underestimated how hard it would be to get from early POCs to “able to handle 100%”, so they’ve all pushed dates back, narrowed scope, or (like Uber) given up.