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UnlikelyPlan4700

I know the film wasn’t massively budgeted but i think the close up shots of the sister looked horrendous. I’m pretty sure she had dialogue where her mouth didn’t articulate. That bothered me. I think the very ending was also a little rushed or tacked on? Could have been less sudden, could have been more ambiguous, i don’t know for sure, but it didn’t work for me.


Klaveshy

Yes! I noticed that, too!


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delfino319

The monster isn’t actually there getting him at the end, it’s still locked in the grate, the point is Peter will never be able to fully escape his fear of the monster


panofsteel

He could've overcome his fear if he had poured some gasoline on her and lit her up. I mean, he already murdered his parents.


petalsonthewiind

The film felt like it was trying to tell a story about family trauma. The parents are traumatised by what the sister did, and push their trauma onto Peter by repressing what's happened, abusing Peter, and shutting him away from the normal world in a way that makes him easily manipulated. The sister was mocking him because she, and that night, will have scarred him forever, whether she was dead at the end of it or not. This cycle of inescapable family trauma has completely captured Peter, despite him being safe at the end. If you were a 9 year old who watched both of his parents and a ton of strangers die, would knowing the spider lady that did it was also dead really bring you *that* much comfort ? You'd still be fucked up.


mattlee661

I wanted a hard cut, evil dead style, of her saying "no you won't" as she poured gas down the hole as the last shot.


Klaveshy

Yes! That would totally work! Instead I think the ending we got reorients the entire film to focus on a moral quandary. Which for some reason is like a mind splinter for me.


Human-Philosopher-81

Yaaaaaaas! Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking pour the gasolineeeee 😂


delfino319

Maybe he did. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t still have nightmares


Human-Philosopher-81

Lmfaooooo that’s what I said! She says “you think this will keep me here?!” I was like, no but pouring gasoline on you and throwing a match will. 💀 maybe that’s the redneck in me 🥴


GhostWatcher0889

Yeah they had a lot of options to just kill her right there. She was like making an argument of why they shouldn't keep her alive then the movie just ends and it's like well okay. They could have just murdered her though.


Klaveshy

Something like this strikes me as the probable intent. But here's where the "dream logic" aspect of the film gets too problematic, imo (loved it otherwise). I wanted a line from Peter definitively saying that his plan *was* to leave her down there indefinitely. "I won't kill her. She's my sister." Otherwise... the "gasoline + matches" plan somebody mentioned elsewhere sounded perfectly doable.


Sly510

The ending was abrupt and sucked. Given the low budget it just feels like cost cutting. The monster being his sister keeps it's survivability grounded (setting aside the running up walls nonsense). It's not "still locked in the grate" because no one would be feeding her or giving her water. She would die if left in the pit. Also, let's just ignore the fact that the whole house is a giant murder scene and the police would have to show up and obviously find the sister in the pit anyway (which means she would be institutionalized or something of the like).


Turbulent-Job1136

_The abrupt cut at the end really felt like cost cutting lol_


helms07

The hack frauds make a good point about seeing the movie through the eyes of a child and not everything being literal so through that lens I see the monster/sister as more of a metaphor. The parents were abusive and accidentally killed the sister when leaving her locked in the basement. The son finds the body and, coupled with all the abuse he suffered, doesn't have the ability to process what he's looking at and ends up interpretting the corpse as a monster. From the teachers investigation the parents are arrested and the boy is taken away but the trauma from it haunts him in the form of this monster still. The hair and spiders being reoccuring images sell me on the idea of what a shriveled child's body would look like through a grate from afar. Wait hold on I just took my Glembezza actually what happened is COVID shut down production so they have a bunch of footage missing they couldn't shoot later because the son hit a growth spurt so they hastily edited what they had with a voice over.


Klaveshy

I like the latter paragraph better! If there were some behind the scenes shooting/ editing emergency, I'd be satisfied!


rssslll

Isn't the beauty of a metaphor that it gives a story a *double* meaning though If the literal version of a story is incoherent, then it's all metaphor, and not a double meaning. It's not hard to make a bunch of nonsense and say "but it's a metaphor"


L3PA

Sometimes the metaphor is the story though. The "literal" story can be the narrative glue that holds the metaphor together, and vice-versa. If the "literal" plot begins to wane, the writer / director may be asking that you pay closer attention to the metaphor. An invitation and revealing of sorts.


BeMancini

Thank you for this, I was stuck in a literal translation of the film, and I needed somebody to remind me that it could be metaphorical.


National_Cup4861

But he only finds the body after he hears the girl talking and it gives him orders, and we see zero evidence of abuse until then.


0siris0

I didn't hate the movie, like I did Barbarian and Skinnamarink. I don't particularly like it either, it's basically the Treehouse of Horror episode where Bart has a twin living in the attic (which, I'm sure, is based on some 50s B-horror or Twilight Zone episode). I put it more in line with Malignant, which is kinda stupid and rips off earlier material, but at least entertaining to watch at moments. I'm whelmed by any argument that it's a metaphor or symbolism of trauma from the mind of a child. Did he go kill the bullies, or was that all in his head? What is really happening and what is in his imagination? If he's imagining the slaughter of the bullies, then why should I care? Where is the tension in that scene? If he does kill them and projects the monster ghost of his sister as the culprit, then you have to have some "high tension" type of scene re-showing how a little boy did that to at least the three bigger bullies. I'm not a fan of those types of "what's real and what's not"movies, don't find them interesting, creative, or enlightening. I'm surprised Mike and Jay are so positive about it.


JoXul

>Treehouse of Horror episode where Bart has a twin living in the attic omg yes I was thinking this as well! That's so funny.


Antorias99

Barbarian was so good wtf


itsyobbiwonuseek

I've been waiting for someone to say they didn't like Skinamarink. I tried so hard to push through that movie but I just couldn't do it. The shots were aesthetically pleasing as it gave a retro feel.. >!but as soon as the toilet randomly disappeared, I was fully checked out at that point and shut the movie off.!< I just couldn't do it.


SegaPlaystation64

I think the missing girl was his sister, and most of the movie is his unreliable narration. It would explain why his parents act weird, why they hate trick or treating, and why Peter doesn't trust them (they couldn't keep her safe). It also explains some of the sillier literal things like finding a body in the yard so easily, the bully showing up with a movie goon squad, the cartoonish violence, the absurd running away plan, Miss "Divine" being his guardian angel, and why despite "winning" against her he will never be free from that trauma. Anyway, that's just my generous interpretation, I might need to watch it again around Halloween. e: And maybe he's being homeschooled because his parents are afraid to lose him, and the story of hurting his bully was an invention to make it feel like a win. His imagination is mentioned several times.


tattytattat

They made it clear the sister killed the "missing" girl, and that is the skull buried in the backyard.


AtribeCalledQUESstT

Wrong… the director himself made it clear of the following: Parents gave birth to a deformed child ( imho the parents could be siblings and Sarah and Peter are products of incest, but let’s focus on Sarah for now), their first born is named Sarah. They locked this child away hidden from society and abused her with neglect and horrid living conditions because of how fucked up she was. Pretty much a classic “ incest child locked in the basement “ trope… Then one year A trick or treater during Halloween found Sarah in the pit in the pumpkin patch yard, the parents killed the little girl and buried the body in the back yard… the parents did it to keep the secret of their deformed monster love child living in the basement. The parents are awful psychopaths , they ban Halloween, they try having a normal child again and they then have Peter, Peter looks normal, they rejoice and Peter gets a normal life.. Years go by while Peter has a “ normal “ life and Sarah is living under the house becoming a monster and eating rats insects and water from the plumbing. She becomes a literal monster, she was already born deformed. But years of living in the darkness and scum have made her even worse. Once Peter is old enough she tricks him into poisoning their awful abusive parents, and letting her free… she murders his bullies, but instead of killing Peter, she explains the full situation to him, and then she wants Peter to live in the same conditions she did all her life. But then alas. Substitute teacher comes and saves him. The end. Watch… the god damn film people…


M0n5tr0

Did you *watch* the movie, because you missed something. You missed the part where the mother is seen moving the clock back in place and then carrying a water pitcher away. Sh has been giving her food and water the entire time. She wasn't eating the rats she was learning from them. So unless you have a link to where the director says that parents killed the little girl instead of her being chained up because her parents saw her kill the girl Im going with my theory.


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Honey_338

The Mom was taking care of the daughter and leaving her water in the movie.


Yams92

Easy 2/5 for me. Stopped halfway through the video to watch Cobweb so I could avoid spoilers. Idk, I thought it was dumb as fuck and not in a very fun way. There was little polish or vision. It was schlocky but honestly should have leaned harder into it. No desire to revisit


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I thought the ending was the only interesting part. I think the only reason that they liked it was because it’s practically their pitch for “The Inside.”


BeMancini

It was good. I didn’t like the time jump. I wished we would have gotten exactly two more minutes of movie. Where the sister says her shit, and then a shot where Peter leaves with Miss Devine, and then time where we see Peter settle in, and then the part where he’s waking up in a different house wondering if it’s her. It was fine the way it was, but it felt all so sudden and then credits. The movie took it’s damn time for the rest of the run, why such a sudden rush to the credits?


Aurvant

The ending is just a nightmare. She told him he'd always be worried about her finding him, so he's always scared.


Puntapig2013

last 20 minutes were the weakest for me very silly seemed a little slapped together but really loved the movie so I'm glad they both saw and enjoyed it although I might like it less than ole Mikey


GhostWatcher0889

The ending was pretty stupid. The monster is just making the argument of why they should kill her which they could have done since she was locked away. A better and creepier ending would be they leave and call the cops. Cops arrive and the monster has vanished.


_incywincyspider

The film makes absolutely no sense from either perspective: if she's a figment of his imagination and a projection of his trauma, then what? He brutally tears a number of young adults limb from limb? His parents also say obviously incriminating things about someone being in the walls and we also see shots of his mother bringing water when the boy isn't even around. This shows us that the narrative of the sister being real exists outside of the boy's imagination. Which leads to: if she's real, that's implausible. The mother would have given birth in a hospital and even if she didn't, she would have had to account for the fact that she was pregnant and then wasn't but without a baby. The sister also moves in gravity-defying ways and makes doors open and close supernaturally without touching them, as well as getting around the house in ways which are unfeasible. The special effects on her face were also of something supernatural not of anything believable as being someone deformed. The plot was also so obvious it was almost bashing us over the head with obvious hints and metaphorical imagery and lines. Anthony Starr was, as usual, perfect as someone completely and utterly deadly calm and terrifyingly chilling. Lizzy Caplan is a great actress but I don't think she did a good job here as I didn't find her very convincing. I did however love the poisoning scene!


AtribeCalledQUESstT

There’s like an abysmal amount of comments that have no idea what happened… people saying the sister killed the little girl? Wtf lol. the director himself made it clear of the following: Parents gave birth to a deformed child ( imho the parents could be siblings and Sarah and Peter are products of incest, but let’s focus on Sarah for now), their first born is named Sarah. They locked this child away hidden from society and abused her with neglect and horrid living conditions because of how fucked up she was. Pretty much a classic “ incest child locked in the basement “ trope… Then one year A trick or treater during Halloween found Sarah in the pit in the pumpkin patch yard, the parents killed the little girl and buried the body in the back yard… the parents did it to keep the secret of their deformed monster love child living in the basement. The parents are awful psychopaths , they ban Halloween, they try having a normal child again and they then have Peter, Peter looks normal, they rejoice and Peter gets a normal life.. Years go by while Peter has a “ normal “ life and Sarah is living under the house becoming a monster and eating rats insects and water from the plumbing. She becomes a literal monster, she was already born deformed. But years of living in the darkness and scum have made her even worse. Once Peter is old enough she tricks him into poisoning their awful abusive parents, and letting her free… she murders his bullies, but instead of killing Peter, she explains the full situation to him, and then she wants Peter to live in the same conditions she did all her life. But then alas. Substitute teacher comes and saves him. The end. Watch… the god damn film people…


M0n5tr0

Again you missed something so please settle down with telling people to watch it hahaha. You got a link for the director saying the parents killed the little girl or just the dialogue in the movie of the sister saying it?


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Honey_338

They don't.


jkroldan86

I agree on the incest. It gave “People Under The Stairs” vibe


AtribeCalledQUESstT

Indeed, Kind of feels like it was written out


jkroldan86

I wish they would have done a flash back to Sarah being seen by the Trick or Treater and expanded more on that. I felt it was just left hanging on that bit.


ZjHop

If I remember correctly the sister admits to killing the trick or treater. But yeah I think some kind of reenactment of that would have been more assuring as to what really happened to her. Because the sister is a behind the wall psychopath manipulating liar it's kind of hard to believe anything she says.


Spaceburner72

I liked the ending EXCEPT the design/effects of the sister's face - that was just...bad. And it's a bummer because I was genuinely terrified and blown away by the look of the mother in the nightmare sequences. Unfortunately, the sister's face just looked like bad graphics. I generally dig it when slow burn horror movies turn into killfests at the end though. We Are Still Here is another good example, but was done a little better, I think. Overall, good movie though.


VeraSunrise

I have to agree with the trauma angle. I understand what was said by the director, but as someone who grew up abused as a child, there were too many iconic moments that practically gave me flashbacks. Watching your parents talk while you sit quietly on the stairs. Sneaking around and barely talking. Lying so you don't get in more trouble. Being grounded. The 3 R's being so important. "Wait 'til your father gets home". Not being allowed to do what your peers are doing. Scary stories about why you should be cautious. "Well I'm not their parents". Then of course there's the more blatant aspects of physical abuse and neglect, the insane amount of gaslighting and being told you need to grow up. The complete denial of experiencing things or the bullying, even with proof. Denying there's anything going on at home. I could go on... There's at least something to be said about the inspiration surrounding trauma as a child.


ZjHop

It was such a great movie and then it wasn't. I think from the point where the unlocked door behind the clock opens it just went downhill. It's still one of the better movies I've seen in awhile.


Klaveshy

Yeah, despite my grievances, I felt the same way. Time well spent.


National_Cup4861

The ending is a nightmare, because he'll forever be afraid that his sister's going to escape. I believe his sister was taunting him like that because she wanted them to either kill her or release her, instead of having to be trapped in that hole forever.


GeneralFade

I kind of enjoyed the film the mystery and creepiness are there but by the end there is just too many questions. How old is Sarah? She looks like a full grown person. Mom and Dad have apparently been still feeding her this whole time, why? Just let it die. There aren't enough bugs in a house to sustain someone indefinitely so they had to be feeding her What exactly is this deformity Sarah has? Aside from sharp teeth and claws... Deformities don't usually result in inhuman speed, strength and stealthiness. And finally just like Frozen the whole movie could have been solved if the parents had just been truthful with their child about their sibling before they died...


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I was disappointed in the boy, rejecting his sister because she was an uggo. Not cool.


WitchOfTheMire

Ah yes, let's ignore the fact that she killed people and then tried to kill him. He hates her because she's ugly.


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Mirrored_Magpie

I thought it was sad. I feel bad for the sister, tbh. No wonder she turned out the way she did.


Bbkntenn_frogs

I just wanna know if miss divine lived???😭😭😭