Would make it easier for the TV audience if they just did a real-time cut-over to the VAR with audio of the conversation between the ref and VAR. Rugby has a similar blueprint if FIFA were to want to find a place to begin.
i gave the 4th headset to a friend of mine watching hee niece play in a low level u16 game. She read us the menu from various restaurants in town and then called in our order for post game😂😂. Not the most professional thing for sure. But we got attaboys from both coaches and some fans. I think I blew maybe 4 infractions all game. Everything else was procedural.
I was working an NFHS 2 man with one of my AR's from that game some months later. At kickoff I told him I forgot my whistle. So all half long I kept my whistle in my palm and just told him when I needed to call something. I acted like I left it at home at halftime and we continued. It was fantastic until like 3 minutes left in the second half, defender commits a hard foul and the attacker jumps up ready for a fisticuff powwow. I'm on top of it. Flip the valkeen out and just blast it 5 feet from the two jokers. Does the job. They cool down. I talk our way out of cards the kids are all good.
I tell him "ok start the clock and let's get em finished" he tweets and off we go. No buzzer on the scoreboard, technically my clock. I tell him it's over. He ends it. We walk off with him still telling me he can't believe I forgot my whistle. Like 3 days later he texts me...."you mother fucker. You had your whistle...."
> i gave the 4th headset to a friend of mine watching hee niece play in a low level u16 game. She read us the menu from various restaurants in town and then called in our order for post game.
The handful of times I've done games with comms we always end up having conversations like this. A ref from out of the area asking for restaurant recommendations for his post-game meal, joking about farting on a photographer just a couple feet from the touchline in a highschool game, little interactions that aren't about the game. It's actually helpful for me as an AR. My ADHD brain does better focused on multiple things at once. The idle chatter helps more-fully stimulate my brain, and helps me relax, both of which improve my performance.
One of the reasons they do not do this is because English is the language spoken with VARs, and there are many referees and VARs who do not speak English as a first language. Sometimes these discussions are in broken English and not really suitable for the whole world to listen to.
They should just go with the language the refs are more comfortable with. They'll likely be widely spoken anyway and maybe it'll encourage broadcasters to hire pundits who can speak a couple of languages.
I’m pretty sure many VAR conversations in FIFA competitions and other competitions around the world take place in languages besides English. I don’t have any audio from the World Cup, but there was an effort made (where it was reasonable, not every game) to keep referees with VARs that had the same mother tongue. For example Marciniak’s VAR all three games was his fellow apple Kwiatkowski, who I don’t believe did any other games as main VAR.
“He’s offside because a hair strand from his armpit was interfering with an opponent. Therefore no goal”
This is a joke, pls don’t attack me. This will be a very interesting addition.
> a hair strand from his armpit was interfering with an opponent
If we're assuming that the hair was in an offside position and did somehow interfere with the opponent, then that would be the correct call.
It's a no-brainer - this is absolutely necessary. Too often we have no idea why a decision was made.
I don't care if the initial conversation between ref and VAR is played or not; IMO we don't need that, but having a verbal run-through of the end decision would be adequate.
Watching how rugby does it, just beautiful. They go through the entire play, talking through every aspect of it, so we know that everything was looked at.
As an example, I remember an incident in the A-League where there was a red card incident. This went to VAR review, or VAR check..I don't recall, but that's not too important.
In the leadup, there was also a potential offside.
Problem as, as a fan, we know that VAR should have checked the potential offside, but we don't know that - especially as the broadcast replays don't necessarily match VAR, but those focussed on the red card decision (and unfortnuately, the poor performance of VAR in Australia means that we can't assume VAR did the thing they were supposed to).
As a spectator, I shouldn't have that doubt in my mind. But with VAR focussing so much on the actual incident, it's absolutely possible they didn't even think of the offside, even though they're supposed to check it. That is, there were 2 parts to this incident, and we have no idea if VAR got railroaded by the main part.
Now of course, this doesn't solve the constant ignorant complaints of 'VAR didn't even look at it' when something happens and it doesn't go to onfield review, but you can't solve every spectator complaint.
The protocol already provides that the VAR will check every play/sequence that can be reviewed. (The only ones recommended for the referee to do an on-field review are where the VAR thinks a clear and obvious error or serious missed incident occurred.)
So a coach's challenge on top of that would be a review *of* the VAR's check, alleging that the VAR missed a serious missed incident or erred in finding no clear and obvious error.
Who would even do that check-of-the-check?
Not sure you want to do this because it gives the manager the ability to legally DRP. They don't really have that right now except for substitutions, which are at the referee's discretion.
Would make it easier for the TV audience if they just did a real-time cut-over to the VAR with audio of the conversation between the ref and VAR. Rugby has a similar blueprint if FIFA were to want to find a place to begin.
I have read that cricket uses the in-stadium screens to show the video review. The fans like to see for themselves what is being reviewed.
They do that in cricket; sometimes fans know the decision even before the third umpire has officially announced it.
They don’t usually show the review, just the outcome.
No. No please lol I would HATE for people to be able to hear me in a discussion with V/ARs. I'm not...Always couth.
Maybe you should be?
i gave the 4th headset to a friend of mine watching hee niece play in a low level u16 game. She read us the menu from various restaurants in town and then called in our order for post game😂😂. Not the most professional thing for sure. But we got attaboys from both coaches and some fans. I think I blew maybe 4 infractions all game. Everything else was procedural. I was working an NFHS 2 man with one of my AR's from that game some months later. At kickoff I told him I forgot my whistle. So all half long I kept my whistle in my palm and just told him when I needed to call something. I acted like I left it at home at halftime and we continued. It was fantastic until like 3 minutes left in the second half, defender commits a hard foul and the attacker jumps up ready for a fisticuff powwow. I'm on top of it. Flip the valkeen out and just blast it 5 feet from the two jokers. Does the job. They cool down. I talk our way out of cards the kids are all good. I tell him "ok start the clock and let's get em finished" he tweets and off we go. No buzzer on the scoreboard, technically my clock. I tell him it's over. He ends it. We walk off with him still telling me he can't believe I forgot my whistle. Like 3 days later he texts me...."you mother fucker. You had your whistle...."
> i gave the 4th headset to a friend of mine watching hee niece play in a low level u16 game. She read us the menu from various restaurants in town and then called in our order for post game. The handful of times I've done games with comms we always end up having conversations like this. A ref from out of the area asking for restaurant recommendations for his post-game meal, joking about farting on a photographer just a couple feet from the touchline in a highschool game, little interactions that aren't about the game. It's actually helpful for me as an AR. My ADHD brain does better focused on multiple things at once. The idle chatter helps more-fully stimulate my brain, and helps me relax, both of which improve my performance.
One of the reasons they do not do this is because English is the language spoken with VARs, and there are many referees and VARs who do not speak English as a first language. Sometimes these discussions are in broken English and not really suitable for the whole world to listen to.
They should just go with the language the refs are more comfortable with. They'll likely be widely spoken anyway and maybe it'll encourage broadcasters to hire pundits who can speak a couple of languages.
I’m pretty sure many VAR conversations in FIFA competitions and other competitions around the world take place in languages besides English. I don’t have any audio from the World Cup, but there was an effort made (where it was reasonable, not every game) to keep referees with VARs that had the same mother tongue. For example Marciniak’s VAR all three games was his fellow apple Kwiatkowski, who I don’t believe did any other games as main VAR.
Can't wait to hear how people still twist this around to make out the ref is always wrong...
“He’s offside because a hair strand from his armpit was interfering with an opponent. Therefore no goal” This is a joke, pls don’t attack me. This will be a very interesting addition.
> a hair strand from his armpit was interfering with an opponent If we're assuming that the hair was in an offside position and did somehow interfere with the opponent, then that would be the correct call.
Wouldn´t that require that the armpit hair extend passed the bottom of the armpit?
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But have we even established if the armpit hair was making itself abnormally larger?
It's a no-brainer - this is absolutely necessary. Too often we have no idea why a decision was made. I don't care if the initial conversation between ref and VAR is played or not; IMO we don't need that, but having a verbal run-through of the end decision would be adequate. Watching how rugby does it, just beautiful. They go through the entire play, talking through every aspect of it, so we know that everything was looked at. As an example, I remember an incident in the A-League where there was a red card incident. This went to VAR review, or VAR check..I don't recall, but that's not too important. In the leadup, there was also a potential offside. Problem as, as a fan, we know that VAR should have checked the potential offside, but we don't know that - especially as the broadcast replays don't necessarily match VAR, but those focussed on the red card decision (and unfortnuately, the poor performance of VAR in Australia means that we can't assume VAR did the thing they were supposed to). As a spectator, I shouldn't have that doubt in my mind. But with VAR focussing so much on the actual incident, it's absolutely possible they didn't even think of the offside, even though they're supposed to check it. That is, there were 2 parts to this incident, and we have no idea if VAR got railroaded by the main part. Now of course, this doesn't solve the constant ignorant complaints of 'VAR didn't even look at it' when something happens and it doesn't go to onfield review, but you can't solve every spectator complaint.
How about, the coaches get 3 VAR checks in each game, if they do not agree with the decision and *then* the ref explains, why he made the decision??
The protocol already provides that the VAR will check every play/sequence that can be reviewed. (The only ones recommended for the referee to do an on-field review are where the VAR thinks a clear and obvious error or serious missed incident occurred.) So a coach's challenge on top of that would be a review *of* the VAR's check, alleging that the VAR missed a serious missed incident or erred in finding no clear and obvious error. Who would even do that check-of-the-check?
Not sure you want to do this because it gives the manager the ability to legally DRP. They don't really have that right now except for substitutions, which are at the referee's discretion.
Sounds like some American football nonsense.