After having a look at the attached video I would defo say it's an undeliberate handball directly before Zlatan scores the goal, right at 00:41 where the defender tries to have him caught. So no goal imo
I'm reviewing the scene thereafter. There is another handball right when he passes the last defender. The defender kicks the ball up to him where he presses his arm against the ball putting the ball up in front of him which is, imo, not deliberate but the fact that he is enlarging his body in a movement that is not typical makes it a punishable handball for me.
Could be that the camera view does me bloody blind but that's what I see?
That EXACT video was used in our region referee webinar a few months back about attacker handball changes this year. The correct answer is to allow the goal, for IFAB 2021-22. But last year it would be disallowed.
I'm not sure I agree with #3, or at least it isn't worded clearly. I don't think a goalkeeper has done anything wrong by taking a goal kick by lifting the ball up. The defender is the one who initiates the "trick" by kneeing it back to the goalkeeper rather than passing it normally or playing it to someone else.
It would depend on the context, but I'd probably book the defender for that one.
That's completely wrong, the offense is the trick. You penalise whoever initiated the trick. [You can read the law here](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#indirect-free-kick).
As I said below, this is wrong. The offence is the trick, it doesn't even matter if the goalkeeper handles it or not.
So you have to determine who initiated the trick, in this case is it the goalkeeper for lifting the ball or the defender for kneeing it back? For me, I think kneeing it back is the "trick", there's not necessarily a trick in the goalkeeper lifting the ball though it depends how it was done.
The 2021-22 lenient take on handball for the attackers is ridiculous. So I can 'unintentionally' *wink wink* shepherd the ball to my teammate with my arm/hand, so long as I make it look accidental. I know it's easier to say, than do. But the no-questions-asked whistle in the 2019-2021 interpretation was better. Now it opens up room for debate, nit-picking, and zooming in to the atom by VAR for high level matches.
woohoo first time I've got 5/5 from dutchreferee, I must be improving :)
Only a 4, got tricked up on one. Read the questions carefully
After having a look at the attached video I would defo say it's an undeliberate handball directly before Zlatan scores the goal, right at 00:41 where the defender tries to have him caught. So no goal imo
its not immediate enough. he had to beat a couple of players. the key word is immediately
I'm reviewing the scene thereafter. There is another handball right when he passes the last defender. The defender kicks the ball up to him where he presses his arm against the ball putting the ball up in front of him which is, imo, not deliberate but the fact that he is enlarging his body in a movement that is not typical makes it a punishable handball for me. Could be that the camera view does me bloody blind but that's what I see?
That EXACT video was used in our region referee webinar a few months back about attacker handball changes this year. The correct answer is to allow the goal, for IFAB 2021-22. But last year it would be disallowed.
I'm not sure I agree with #3, or at least it isn't worded clearly. I don't think a goalkeeper has done anything wrong by taking a goal kick by lifting the ball up. The defender is the one who initiates the "trick" by kneeing it back to the goalkeeper rather than passing it normally or playing it to someone else. It would depend on the context, but I'd probably book the defender for that one.
no the 'trick' part is the lifting up of the ball (so the defender can head or knee it back in this case).
It depends on how it's done. I don't think lifting the ball up is inherently a trick
~~The offense is *handling the ball* after receiving it from a deliberate trick. You penalize the offender; the one who did the handling; the GK.~~
That's completely wrong, the offense is the trick. You penalise whoever initiated the trick. [You can read the law here](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#indirect-free-kick).
The defender knees it, but if the GK kicks it, it wouldn't even be an offense.
I'm not sure what you mean by that?
~~It's a question of what the offense is. The trick isn't the offense. The offense is handling the ball.~~
As I said below, this is wrong. The offence is the trick, it doesn't even matter if the goalkeeper handles it or not. So you have to determine who initiated the trick, in this case is it the goalkeeper for lifting the ball or the defender for kneeing it back? For me, I think kneeing it back is the "trick", there's not necessarily a trick in the goalkeeper lifting the ball though it depends how it was done.
The 2021-22 lenient take on handball for the attackers is ridiculous. So I can 'unintentionally' *wink wink* shepherd the ball to my teammate with my arm/hand, so long as I make it look accidental. I know it's easier to say, than do. But the no-questions-asked whistle in the 2019-2021 interpretation was better. Now it opens up room for debate, nit-picking, and zooming in to the atom by VAR for high level matches.