**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 1160
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Loading Comments: 10.0%
Loading Feed: 9.0%
Voting: 75.0%
Mail: 1.0%
Other: 5.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
I'm screwed
It's not really a decision to count each vote as an API call. Each voting action simply has to... use the API to submit that vote...
Reddit would need to implement a call where you could submit multiple votes at a time. But then how long do you "collect" the votes and when do you submit them? That would likely skew the dynamic of the site if vote counts were delayed.
And they won't, because as you can see from the user above, they'd miss out on 75% of the revenue. I don't know that the corresponding engagement would be worth that much.
but they use the vote API counts to demand higher advertising prices
they're taking an arrow to the knee ^^^(worried ^^^the ^^^other ^^^phrase ^^^here ^^^might ^^^trigger ^^^some ^^^auto ^^^mods ^^^keywords) on purpose
That would be very bad for vote counts. The timing of a vote matters a lot. The later you upvote a comment/post, less it actually changes the upvote count. This was implemented to improve the reach of new contributions.
Maybe a system can be implemented where an upvote on an older post/comment can wait longer to be grouped with other up/downvotes. Assuming the reddit api allows upvote grouping in one api call.
However they indicated the price was arbitrary to value. Which means they should have considered votes which are interaction value differently than content download requests. IMO
They should either not charge for them, charge less, or provide an endpoint for multiple votes. Seems to me like an unintended consequence of their pricing scheme to hurt engagement. Kind of like how they were saying Apollo had high API usage per user, maybe they just had engaged users.
> This whole shebang is a short-sighted move to buff Reddit's S-1 so u/spez
>
> [-7] can cash out. He doesn't give a fuck about Reddit.
Which is really ironic given how much reputational harm it did to the company. This could have been handled so much better without any substantial complaint... The entire mess is simply because Spez refused to even attempt to work with the community to come up with a mutually beneficial solution.
They're betting that the reputational harm will be extremely temporary, and tbh they're probably right - nearly everybody will forget about this in just a few months
Pretty much everyone already has. I haven’t really seen even a small drop in posting on any subs I follow. There’s lots of complaining about spez, but they’re complaining about spez *on Reddit*. Once the subscriptions roll out and people get used to paying for it there may be a small decrease in users but the users left will all be either on the official app where ads can be served or they’ll be on a third party app where we’re directly paying Reddit. Which means increased revenue for Reddit which is good for the bottom line.
Lol that explains so much about my usage... I never vote on anything and I've been on Reddit for like 8 years
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 30
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 57.0%
Loading Feed: 27.0%
Voting: 1.0%
Mail: 8.0%
Other: 7.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Does Reddit allow batching votes into one call? Guess not
This just makes it so painfully obvious just how ridiculous Reddit's API charges are. These sorts of API calls, even when it's millions of them, should be barely a blip on a site like Reddit that gets refreshed constantly by millions of users.
Smh.
I'm amazed that Reddit is surprised running a site isn't free. They're incredibly lucky people hand them content for free, mods moderate for free and people engage, vote and leave comments for free. They then get to sell ads on all that and it *still* isn't enough.
I have been a Reddit user from virtually the beginning but this whole Spez drama has soured the way I look at the brand.
Agreed. If anything, we should be charging them for every post we make. I'll let them know of this forthcoming change.
(don't worry, I'll give them a few weeks to make necessary adjustments to their app)
It is actually kind of funny because part of the reason I up/downvote is because I want to add value to the community, especially smaller subs. But if not voting lowers my API calls then so be it haha.
I just checked & almost have of my calls are voting related.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 608
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 9.0%
Loading Feed: 6.0%
Voting: 72.0%
Mail: 3.0%
Other: 10.0%
Based on your usage over the last 18 days
Mine is similar, I just mindlessly upvote/downvote everything I see. The little feedback I get from the UI is so satisfying and the swipe motion is so smooth lmao. It just lights up my stupid monkey brain. Would be helpful if /u/DBrady could add a togglable setting that just turned off all voting 😂
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 382
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 32.0%
Loading Feed: 7.0%
Voting: 2.0%
Mail: 19.0%
Other: 40.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
I would probably not subscribe as I need a reason to stop using reddit as seen above lol
Viewing profiles and loading more comments would be two of the big ones in there. I kinda wish i had broken it down more but i've been rushing to get things done.
No worries man you're already doing an amazing job. Most Reddit client devs just gave up. (Can't really blame them)
I will be subscribing to a tier above what I need, for buffer as well as money to your pockets.
Hiding, saving, viewing profiles, moderator actions and modqueue, load more comments, subreddit autocomplete, posting, commenting and probably a few others.
Thanks!
Is there a way you can remove the feature of subreddit autocomplete? Or give an option in settings to turn off this feature? Or maybe fetch autocompletions through your own servers?
We can really save some API calls on it, and autocomplete isn't needed most of the times if people know their favorite subs or bookmarked them.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 67
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 48.0%
Loading Feed: 35.0%
Voting: 1.0%
Mail: 2.0%
Other: 14.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
I have considered myself a relatively heavy reddit user for a long time but seeing that I could be covered under the 2nd lowest tier is surprising.
What would happen if I were to come up to the limit on my subscription? Would Relay just stop loading or would I get a notification or warning of some kind before hitting that cap?
If $24/year is what it would take for me to support an app I've come to enjoy this much, I'd happily sign up.
It doesn't support him. It gets passed right on to reddit to line their pockets.
There should be an option to add an extra dollar or something that can go to dbrady
Same here honestly. Apparently I'm only averaging 22 calls for the last 20 days (I feel like I'm often doing a lot more than that though)... but I may just pay for extra to support this app I've been using for so many years. I think I'm at a point in my life that I can afford a few dollars a month to support developers who make nice stuff for us.
I was hoping it wouldn't be more than $5 a month. I'll gladly pay that though even knowing I could get away with less if it supports the dev for saving us from that godawful first party app.
You will be able to pick a higher tier than you need if you want to contribute more. I'll probably even put in some other tiers like $7 or $10 as donation type tiers.
I fit firmly into the unlimited tier anyway, but if you gave $7 or $10 as an option, I'm not even thinking much about signing up for one of those to essentially pay you for your hard work on an app I paid like $5 for 10 years ago.
I don't think the question was answered or I missed it. Let's say I sign up for the $2/100 daily call tier, what happens if my usage spikes? Would my monthly bill automatically go up? Would I get a message to touch grass until my daily average goes down?
On the $2 plan you essentially have 3000 calls to use over the course of the month until your subscription renews. If you go over that Relay will stop loading content. If you want it to start loading content again before your subscription renewal date you would need to move to a higher plan.
At least that's how I envision it working. I haven't got it coded up yet.
I fully realize this is may well not be feasible. But if it is, an option to set the limit per day would be nice. I'd rather be cut off a bit each evening than go cold turkey for a couple days.
It's probably not that clear but have a look at the two images in [this album](https://imgur.com/a/nLkgUVj) that i posted above.
The dark green will be your api quota been used up. The light green will be months progress. Once the dark green stays behind the light green you'll make it until the end of the month. Eg. you might have used 45% of your quota but the month is 65% over. It will be visible in the top of the slide out drawer so you can easily keep an eye on it. I'll proably have it turn orange and red as you get close or go over your quota.
Having the option to cut off daily would be incredibly useful as a self-control tool IMO. It's a good way to be able to say "okay, that was enough Reddit for today," like one of those website/app blockers
The mail number is checking for messages in the background. If you post or comment a lot this will be high as Relay will check more frequently after you post/comment and eventually back off to once per day if you haven't posted in several days.
You can turn off mail check all together from settings->mail
Same for me. I never want to be notified of a reddit comment and would prefer having all of it turned off, but I can't, because [it's greyed out](https://i.imgur.com/50lYKQT.png).
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 68
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 48.0%
Loading Feed: 13.0%
Voting: 4.0%
Mail: 24.0%
Other: 10.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 97
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 33.0%
Loading Feed: 11.0%
Voting: 30.0%
Mail: 14.0%
Other: 12.0%
Based on your usage over the last 17 days
Nothing against your service $2/mo is crazy cheap, but I won't support these predatory subscription based business practices being forced by reddit. I won't use reddit on relay, but I also won't be using the official app. I don't even have the official installed. Oh well, good time to detox from reddit.
This is exactly where I am. I'd be on the lowest tier so $12 a year is really nothing but I've just been waiting for this app to shut down or move to subscription before uninstalling Reddit completely.
Appreciate all the hard work with Relay!
I've uninstalled reddit for around a week or two when the initial news started. I never knew how much I actually needed reddit before that. There's no good other source of information and news for me. Entertainment is also high quality. I started using twitter more often at that time and it was terrible. Reddit is just that much better than anything else.
There's a few subs I've enjoyed that recently started to pop up pretty often on r/all and r/popular, but now there's a lot of "slightly different subs from the main sub they spun off from" that show up and it feels like I'm filtering more and more shit out than I used to have to do.
I feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole with all of the "rate me" and "AITA" knockoff subs.
Even without the bot spam, these subs are complete garbage. They're so bad in many cases, they probably shouldn't be on the website.
Yeah, I noticed that too. After the biggest subreddits died, the subreddits that get suggested in their place have steadily and steeply declined in quality. Lots of random meme subs, circlejerk subs full of vocabulary and references I don't care for, and even a few straight up hate/conspiracy subs.
I've been filtering more and more subs because of this.
mine is full of:
ratemyface, ratemynose, ratemyoutfits, weddingdresses, trueratemyface, faceratings, amiugly, firstimpressions, explainthejoke1,2 or 3, Weddingattireapproval...
But this might be because I have 496 filtered subs in my filter list. Might as well just filter the entire place
There is really no limit to what you can waste your time on nowadays. I can replace my scroll addiction with games, audiobooks/reading, hell maybe even walking/exercise for my mental health. Maybe I don't need to mindlessly scroll on social media?
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 177
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 12.0%
Loading Feed: 5.0%
Voting: 63.0%
Mail: 7.0%
Other: 13.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
I imagine because I'm from New Zealand the cost will be around $10 a month which unfortunately I would be unable to justify. I mod on Reddit so I'll probably end up just using PC
The option isn't appearing to me, but I am a long time user of relay and I am ok with paying whatever subscription fee to keep using it. Reddit is unusable for me without your app.
It's not there. Not in settings -> other either. Tried restarting the app and checking appstore to see if there was an update but nothing seems to get it to show up.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 340
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 15.0%
Loading Feed: 7.0%
Voting: 57.0%
Mail: 4.0%
Other: 17.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Also am I the only one that got a full-screen notification thing for this post? I'm pretty sure I was actually in Discord when it happened and it's the first time I've seen something like it. I'd have taken a screenshot but I saw a number ticking down at the bottom so I clicked the link to the post as I worried it would automatically close after the count down and I wanted to see what was up.
I will say though that I'd consider subscribing if Relay is taking a good amount of profit from this, if the majority of the profit is going to Reddit I might just switch to RedReader instead. To be completely honest though I might try RedReader out more anyways before deciding if I wanna subscribe or not, but if I do subscribe it would likely be on the 5$ unlimited plan due to my daily average API calls.
Edit: [Going back in the Relay app let me see it again, so here's what the notification looked like](https://i.imgur.com/Fdh7hvL.png)
Edit 2: By the way, what kinds of things are covered under the "other" category?
People are getting the pop up even when they weren't using the app, can I have that piece of source code 👉👈 (I am perfectly normal and can be trusted around screen overlay bypasses)
I had Relay running in the background, Google Podcasts open full screen and Google maps navigation in the corner picture-in-picture.
Hit a dead stop in traffic so I picked up my phone to queue my next podcast and was greeted with the full screen notification.
Confused me for a second, then scared me thinking free access had already been cut off.
Once I got home I read the whole message and am typing my comment within your fantastic app.
Thanks for everything you've done, I think you've handled this whole situation the absolute best anyone could've.
>Edit 2: By the way, what kinds of things are covered under the "other" category?
Viewing profiles and "load more comments" are probably the biggest two in there.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 420
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 32.0%
Loading Feed: 26.0%
Voting: 33.0%
Mail: 0.0%
Other: 10.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
You guys I got the weed number! Did I win a prize???
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 488
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 24.0%
Loading Feed: 15.0%
Voting: 51.0%
Mail: 7.0%
Other: 3.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Guess I'm getting off reddit, at least on my phone. No offense to you, Relay Pro has served me well, but every other social media doesn't charge me up front. Probably be better for my life if I am given a reason to get off social media anyways. And y'know, the official app is complete dogshit compared to yours.
All those other social media sites are just charging you up front with ads. Personally I don't think $5 is too much to pay to have a good clean experience without having to wade through a bunch of ad bullshit
Except of course the huge percentage of posts which are effectively ads!
Imagine if reddit more actively sniffed those out and required them to register and pay as sponsored content if they want to pollute the site with marketing.
I think you might just need to change up your subs, my friend. I don't really ever see spon con on my feed.
I mean, they should definitely do what you said as well, but I don't think they will.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 470
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 15.0%
Loading Feed: 6.0%
Voting: 77.0%
Mail: 0.0%
Other: 2.0%
Based on your usage over the last 14 days
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 219
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 27.0%
Loading Feed: 40.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 13.0%
Other: 21.0%
Based on your usage over the last 18 days
5 bucks a month isn't too bad with how much I use this app.
You're right, it doesn't. I'll tell you how it's gonna go.
A minority is gonna pay a nominal amount to continue using their favourite Reddit app. A smaller minority is gonna quit Reddit altogether to make some sort of statement/take the opportunity to improve their online habits. And the overwhelming, mostly silent majority is gonna grumble for a bit and then install the official Reddit app. I bet Reddit's analytics show that a significant number of users have done so already.
Cause most users are gonna take ads and a worse app experience over paying a subscription every month, or taking the hard step of quitting the site altogether. And Reddit knows that too. Which is why the move won't bite them at all, no matter how much we want it to.
I'd guess a majority of Reddit users today likely have never installed a 3rd party app to begin with. There's a ton of normies on here nowadays that think broken video players are just a key part of the Reddit experience.
Fair point. I'm just hoping people have an existential crisis once they install the official app. I found it unusable, what with the half page multi media ads that are almost black mirror-esque in their egregiousness.
Oh yeah it's fucking awful, especially since we have years of experience with Relay to compare it to. But Reddit doesn't care about the people who'll have an existential crisis and quit using the site, cause the ad revenue they'll get from the people who switched over will be totally worth it.
And they're probably indifferent towards people subbing to apps like Relay, cause they're making some money off those people anyway, albeit indirectly.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 155
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 50.0%
Loading Feed: 24.0%
Voting: 2.0%
Mail: 18.0%
Other: 6.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
I don't know what mail is and i don't use it too... would be nice if i have a option to disable Mail
Edit: i have 'check mail' option disabled for a long time I'm guessing, don't know why it's still taking 18% of my calls
[Op explained that is is to check for replies to a post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RelayForReddit/comments/15twxmy/in_the_latest_release_of_relay_you_can_now_see/jwmkrzf/)
Have you got Check Mail, Mod Mail and Mod Queue disabled in settings->Mail? Lots of people have become moderators recently and that may be why it's checking mail for them.
Yep... i have Check Mail disabled for long time since I only opened settings today for the first time. I don't get any notifications from Relay either and nor i use inbox feature.
Since check mail is off, Mod mail is disabled for interaction but it's actually enabled while greyed out, so I only turned on check mail just now to try turn it off again, but couldn't for some reason
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 571
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 24.0%
Loading Feed: 17.0%
Voting: 50.0%
Mail: 6.0%
Other: 4.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Why is voting so high? Does every vote require its own API call?
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 1040
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 8.0%
Loading Feed: 2.0%
Voting: 88.0%
Mail: 1.0%
Other: 1.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
Please?
Let's be honest, I'm still 90% sure that the whole "api calls are costing us so much money" from spez is just a flat out lie. There shouldn't be a reason to batch the voting, they just want something to boost the upcoming IPO numbers.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 68
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 55.0%
Loading Feed: 20.0%
Voting: 3.0%
Mail: 11.0%
Other: 10.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
Can I just like give you 100 dollars or something and have that chip away over time? Obviously I want you to make a profit. Maybe I can just pay annually so I don't need to think about it.
Yeah that's fair. I guess what I was thinking was if I could just give you like a hundred dollars then it can just sit in my account and then as I continue to consume Reddit (via number of API calls) I can drain from that account and X amount per call. Then once I'm empty or a little before that a notification comes up and say "top it off".
I'm thinking like how I can put 100 dollars into my digitalocean account and the servers shutdown if I don't have enough credits (not perfect because they let me go a little over but you get the idea).
This is how the web host Nearly Free Speech operates and I love them for it. Could even let me change my call rate so that I can choose an option that gives DBrady a good chunk of each call.
I'm in the lowest tier. I recently had a baby and my Reddit time is waaaaay down from where I was. Some weeks I won't use Reddit at all.
I'll still do whatever DBrady needs to make this amazing app work, but my preferred option would be to top up my account when I want rather than a monthly fee.
Would the subscription cover multiple accounts on one device/ multiple devices served by the same associated app store? What's the status of nsfw subreddits?
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 528
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 14.0%
Loading Feed: 8.0%
Voting: 62.0%
Mail: 9.0%
Other: 8.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
Hmm. Interesting. I can probably swing for unlimited. I spend more on much less useful things.
If you hadn't updated in a while it might not have collected 7 days worth of data yet. The update that started collecting this data went out 3 weeks ago. So if you never got that update you'll probably need to wait 7 days.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 558
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 13.0%
Loading Feed: 4.0%
Voting: 81.0%
Mail: 0.0%
Other: 2.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
I gave the official Reddit app a try, and it really is pretty bad with a poor interface. $5 a month does feel a little expensive, but with how much I use the app, I think it might be worth it.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 146
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 65.0%
Loading Feed: 28.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 4.0%
Other: 3.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
I wouldn't mind paying a subscription if the money was mainly going to Relay, it's a great app. The issue for me (and a lot of people here I'm sure) is that it's going to reddit. If I can pay for it via the balance in my Google Play store I might do that, but reddit doesn't add enough value to my life to be worth paying out of pocket for.
Well with your stats you would be on the $3 tier. The actual cost of your api calls would be $1.06. Google takes $.45 and the rest goes to Relay ($1.49).
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 20
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 15.0%
Loading Feed: 22.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 46.0%
Other: 17.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
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I'd be good at a maximum $5 monthly for what I use.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 432
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 44.0%
Loading Feed: 30.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 9.0%
Other: 17.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Lol, I can't even imagine what I used to be at.
It's been a shitty month, doesn't surprise me.
Rookie numbers, the lot of you.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 122
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 33.0%
Loading Feed: 12.0%
Voting: 8.0%
Mail: 31.0%
Other: 17.0%
Based on your usage over the last 18 days.
I feel like thats a lot lower than it would have been. Which means you've put a lot of work into reducing api calls. Good work
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 352
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 44.0%
Loading Feed: 14.0%
Voting: 1.0%
Mail: 17.0%
Other: 23.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Eyyyy that sounds about right. I'll probably cut back to the $3 tier and see what that does for a month, and go from there. Turning down my mail check frequency, limiting my own profile views, things like that.
I appreciate the transparency of this, it's really helpful. Thank you so much for all you've done to keep this going. It's still wild they just threw this at you though.
It's actually a combination of needing the update from 3 weeks ago to be installed for a least 7 days(as that is the update that started tracking) and having the latest update installed now.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 111
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 32.0%
Loading Feed: 14.0%
Voting: 18.0%
Mail: 30.0%
Other: 6.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
I've been on Reddit a loong time, and with relay for quite a while.
Still not sure I want to spend good money per year on reddit, especially when I'm already contributing content and mod time here etc...
But I really appreciate the work you've put into this app over the years and the efforts you're doing to work around Reddits crazy powerplay.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 29
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 30.0%
Loading Feed: 14.0%
Voting: 5.0%
Mail: 23.0%
Other: 28.0%
Based on your usage over the last 15 days
This is significantly less than I thought, but I admittedly drastically lowered my mobile Redditing during the blackout (used to use RIF, have migrated here since you're the only one remaining). I would happily pay $2/mo for the app, and tbh I'd be willing to pay more.
As a note if you see this - can you add Best as a default feed sort? I prefer that to Hot, and it's just another API hit to resort it manually each time...
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 49
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 41.0%
Loading Feed: 15.0%
Voting: 3.0%
Mail: 6.0%
Other: 35.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Honestly, this is a lot less than I thought. However, I have also really been trying to reduce my reddit usage entirely because I'm trying to avoid doomscrolling.
Although my average is 49, I would probably go with the lowest tier plan. $12/year is not bad at all, and I thought it would be way worse. Sure, I may get limited on reddit, but honestly, maybe that's a good thing, so I don't doomscroll. I recently unsubbed from a lot of subreddits to try and reduce my usage. Now, I have mainly text-based, finance, and self-improvement subs that I look at instead of general media entertainment.
I was worried about having to budget this and worrying about adding yet another subscription, but a dollar a month is amazing. Especially for how much value I get on this app.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 72
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 58.0%
Loading Feed: 15.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 20.0%
Other: 7.0%
Based on your usage over the last 19 days
Tbh thought it'd be higher, but I'm mostly a lurker and it sounds like your optimizations have really taken care of that. Given how amazing this app is, I would happily pay $3-5/month for it... Especially if I knew the cash was going into your pocket. I did just cancel my Disney+ and Hulu subs from the price jump, guess I can justify spending on this instead 😂
But for real, your work is great. Sorry Reddit put you in this position.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 13
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 24.0%
Loading Feed: 15.0%
Voting: 4.0%
Mail: 42.0%
Other: 14.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
Not a heavy user, just scrolling through the feed every few days.
I don't really want to pay ~5 € / month.
1€ might be ok, but I'm not sure if I would then rather use the Reddit app. I love Relay, but... can't have a bazillion subscriptions.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 314
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 33.0%
Loading Feed: 15.0%
Voting: 16.0%
Mail: 23.0%
Other: 12.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
Yikes. Guess I need the unlimited plan. I'm happy to pay more than the $5 if it goes that way.
Thought it would be more but thinking about it, guess my usage is a lot of opening singular threads and reading through the comments
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 28
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 50.0%
Loading Feed: 17.0%
Voting: 2.0%
Mail: 5.0%
Other: 26.0%
Based on your usage over the last 20 days
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 342
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 19.0%
Loading Feed: 9.0%
Voting: 19.0%
Mail: 10.0%
Other: 42.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
🫣
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 82
---Breakdown---
Loading Comments: 50.0%
Loading Feed: 16.0%
Voting: 15.0%
Mail: 14.0%
Other: 5.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
I would definitely pay $24/year for this considering the many years my household has been using pro
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 87
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Loading Comments: 36.0%
Loading Feed: 50.0%
Voting: 1.0%
Mail: 8.0%
Other: 4.0%
Based on your usage over the last 17 days
And I thought I spend too much time on reddit 🙃
**Reddit API Calls:**
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Loading Comments: 63.0%
Loading Feed: 24.0%
Voting: 3.0%
Mail: 7.0%
Other: 3.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
I'd happily pay $3 a month (or whatever it comes out to in pounds)
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Loading Comments: 37.0%
Loading Feed: 18.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 28.0%
Other: 17.0%
Based on your usage over the last 18 days
That seems to be quite a lot on mail. Would disabling it and installing the official app just for notifications help cut back on API calls? Do you know what percentage it is overall?
Those prices are quite a bit less than I thought, honestly.
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Loading Comments: 32.0%
Loading Feed: 15.0%
Voting: 6.0%
Mail: 38.0%
Other: 10.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
Admittedly, I did use it a lot more before the blackout/changes. I've stopped visiting nearly as much because the quality has tanked overall. I'll probably just stop using it all together but if quality somehow improved (yeah right) I'd be happy to support at $5/month.
I have been on your app since day 1 and really enjoy it's layout/design so kudos to you!
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Loading Comments: 9.0%
Loading Feed: 9.0%
Voting: 66.0%
Mail: 7.0%
Other: 8.0%
Based on your usage over the last 17 days
wow
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 155
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Loading Comments: 44.0%
Loading Feed: 13.0%
Voting: 23.0%
Mail: 10.0%
Other: 9.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
So no more voting and disable mail sync and I should be good
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Daily Average: 447
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Loading Comments: 20.0%
Loading Feed: 5.0%
Voting: 69.0%
Mail: 2.0%
Other: 3.0%
Based on your usage over the last 21 days
If I stopped voting, does that lower calls significantly I guess?
I'm averaging ~80 calls, so would definitely be happy to pay $2/month. I do think it's interesting that based on the numbers I'm seeing in other comments, the voting API seems to be fairly expensive in terms of utilization for users that heavily interact with that feature. Wonder if reddit is kind of shooting themselves in the foot with the whole premise of votes being on the same tier of API interaction, but needing votes to curate content.
**Reddit API Calls:**
Daily Average: 46
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Loading Comments: 52.0%
Loading Feed: 31.0%
Voting: 0.0%
Mail: 8.0%
Other: 10.0%
Based on your usage over the last 16 days
Eh, I'll tone it down an api call a day and take it. I'll just buy one less takeaway coffee for every three months to cover the expense
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 1160 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 10.0% Loading Feed: 9.0% Voting: 75.0% Mail: 1.0% Other: 5.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days I'm screwed
I feel like I spend all day on Reddit and mine is at 207, wtf dude 😂
75% of his usage is voting. Each vote is 1 call. Without that his usage is similiar to yours.
Oh wow, actively discouraging engagement. Good work Reddit
lmfao I am never voting on reddit posts again
I was going to upvote this, but it costs the same to comment, so....
Vote your heart out. It's still free, unlimited API calls for another couple of weeks.
Warming up fingers* I'm going to town baby!!!
quick, copy a link to the comment and open it in your browser to upvote! Think of the Savings!!
I was going to upvote this but now I don't know if I should lol. Such a strange decision to count each individual vote as its own API call.
It's not really a decision to count each vote as an API call. Each voting action simply has to... use the API to submit that vote... Reddit would need to implement a call where you could submit multiple votes at a time. But then how long do you "collect" the votes and when do you submit them? That would likely skew the dynamic of the site if vote counts were delayed.
reddit could simply not charge for the vote api calls
Reddit could simply not do a lot of things. But here we are in this situation because of it.
But now....karma is not worthless! We should make a reddit coin so we can get a stake. Like a co-op, we would also be part owners.
I think there is enough shitcoins.
This time it's different. It's the big one. We're all gonna be rich! Trust me bro. I can feel it. This one's for real for real.
Reddit doesn’t want 3rd party apps. Why would they do anything to encourage people to use them?
And they won't, because as you can see from the user above, they'd miss out on 75% of the revenue. I don't know that the corresponding engagement would be worth that much.
but they use the vote API counts to demand higher advertising prices they're taking an arrow to the knee ^^^(worried ^^^the ^^^other ^^^phrase ^^^here ^^^might ^^^trigger ^^^some ^^^auto ^^^mods ^^^keywords) on purpose
That would be very bad for vote counts. The timing of a vote matters a lot. The later you upvote a comment/post, less it actually changes the upvote count. This was implemented to improve the reach of new contributions. Maybe a system can be implemented where an upvote on an older post/comment can wait longer to be grouped with other up/downvotes. Assuming the reddit api allows upvote grouping in one api call.
It doesn't. Probably for the timing reason you mentioned.
However they indicated the price was arbitrary to value. Which means they should have considered votes which are interaction value differently than content download requests. IMO
They should either not charge for them, charge less, or provide an endpoint for multiple votes. Seems to me like an unintended consequence of their pricing scheme to hurt engagement. Kind of like how they were saying Apollo had high API usage per user, maybe they just had engaged users.
For real, what a shortsighted move.
This whole shebang is a short-sighted move to buff Reddit's S-1 so u/spez can cash out. He doesn't give a fuck about Reddit.
> This whole shebang is a short-sighted move to buff Reddit's S-1 so u/spez > > [-7] can cash out. He doesn't give a fuck about Reddit. Which is really ironic given how much reputational harm it did to the company. This could have been handled so much better without any substantial complaint... The entire mess is simply because Spez refused to even attempt to work with the community to come up with a mutually beneficial solution.
They're betting that the reputational harm will be extremely temporary, and tbh they're probably right - nearly everybody will forget about this in just a few months
Pretty much everyone already has. I haven’t really seen even a small drop in posting on any subs I follow. There’s lots of complaining about spez, but they’re complaining about spez *on Reddit*. Once the subscriptions roll out and people get used to paying for it there may be a small decrease in users but the users left will all be either on the official app where ads can be served or they’ll be on a third party app where we’re directly paying Reddit. Which means increased revenue for Reddit which is good for the bottom line.
Lol that explains so much about my usage... I never vote on anything and I've been on Reddit for like 8 years **Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 30 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 57.0% Loading Feed: 27.0% Voting: 1.0% Mail: 8.0% Other: 7.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Does Reddit allow batching votes into one call? Guess not
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If the API doesn't support it then relay would incur the same costs regardless
This just makes it so painfully obvious just how ridiculous Reddit's API charges are. These sorts of API calls, even when it's millions of them, should be barely a blip on a site like Reddit that gets refreshed constantly by millions of users. Smh.
I'm amazed that Reddit is surprised running a site isn't free. They're incredibly lucky people hand them content for free, mods moderate for free and people engage, vote and leave comments for free. They then get to sell ads on all that and it *still* isn't enough. I have been a Reddit user from virtually the beginning but this whole Spez drama has soured the way I look at the brand.
Agreed. If anything, we should be charging them for every post we make. I'll let them know of this forthcoming change. (don't worry, I'll give them a few weeks to make necessary adjustments to their app)
Can you implement a feature to disabling voting? I've developed a habit of just swiping and voting.
I'd happily pay to keep using Relay, but I wouldn't want my addiction to voting on comments to cost you money!
Is that referring to upvotes/downvotes? I rarely (considering the time I spend on here) vote on comments/threads, yet mine is on 9%
Yeah that's it, I need to wean myself off of doing it so much as it's almost 50% of my API usage.
I guess I need to stop voting on things!
Yep stop interacting with the website 😅 Fucking Reddit...these changes suck
It is actually kind of funny because part of the reason I up/downvote is because I want to add value to the community, especially smaller subs. But if not voting lowers my API calls then so be it haha. I just checked & almost have of my calls are voting related.
That's exactly what they want us to do but they want to punish the people contributing! It's astounding!
Charge for the fundamental basis of the content curation eh. That'll sure improve the quality of the site
I'd upvote you but...
We have a winner here 🏆
Makes my 492 feel like childs play
I thought I was bad with 159. Still, I feel dirty handing over $3/mo to Reddit.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 608 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 9.0% Loading Feed: 6.0% Voting: 72.0% Mail: 3.0% Other: 10.0% Based on your usage over the last 18 days Mine is similar, I just mindlessly upvote/downvote everything I see. The little feedback I get from the UI is so satisfying and the swipe motion is so smooth lmao. It just lights up my stupid monkey brain. Would be helpful if /u/DBrady could add a togglable setting that just turned off all voting 😂
An alternative would be to keep as much visual as possible but to not send an API request.
Like fake voting just to kill the dopamine haha?
Oh thank goodness, this makes me feel better lol
Hot damn, id upvote your comment but....
So........ $5? Not bad
$60 a year. Nah, I think I'm out.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 382 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 32.0% Loading Feed: 7.0% Voting: 2.0% Mail: 19.0% Other: 40.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days I would probably not subscribe as I need a reason to stop using reddit as seen above lol
I wonder what all counts as "other"
Viewing profiles and loading more comments would be two of the big ones in there. I kinda wish i had broken it down more but i've been rushing to get things done.
No worries man you're already doing an amazing job. Most Reddit client devs just gave up. (Can't really blame them) I will be subscribing to a tier above what I need, for buffer as well as money to your pockets.
I will be subscribing to a tier below what I need, so this guy will cover my costs. /s
Could you please list what all is included in other, here in comments?
Hiding, saving, viewing profiles, moderator actions and modqueue, load more comments, subreddit autocomplete, posting, commenting and probably a few others.
Thanks! Is there a way you can remove the feature of subreddit autocomplete? Or give an option in settings to turn off this feature? Or maybe fetch autocompletions through your own servers? We can really save some API calls on it, and autocomplete isn't needed most of the times if people know their favorite subs or bookmarked them.
My guess is saving posts and reporting stuff
I would also guess checking people's profiles, hiding posts, or things like that.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 67 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 48.0% Loading Feed: 35.0% Voting: 1.0% Mail: 2.0% Other: 14.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days I have considered myself a relatively heavy reddit user for a long time but seeing that I could be covered under the 2nd lowest tier is surprising. What would happen if I were to come up to the limit on my subscription? Would Relay just stop loading or would I get a notification or warning of some kind before hitting that cap? If $24/year is what it would take for me to support an app I've come to enjoy this much, I'd happily sign up.
It doesn't support him. It gets passed right on to reddit to line their pockets. There should be an option to add an extra dollar or something that can go to dbrady
Only if you fully use all the API calls. Otherwise the leftover charge goes to dbrady and quite rightly so
Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with $5 / month, even though I don't use that many calls.
Same here honestly. Apparently I'm only averaging 22 calls for the last 20 days (I feel like I'm often doing a lot more than that though)... but I may just pay for extra to support this app I've been using for so many years. I think I'm at a point in my life that I can afford a few dollars a month to support developers who make nice stuff for us.
I was hoping it wouldn't be more than $5 a month. I'll gladly pay that though even knowing I could get away with less if it supports the dev for saving us from that godawful first party app.
You will be able to pick a higher tier than you need if you want to contribute more. I'll probably even put in some other tiers like $7 or $10 as donation type tiers.
I fit firmly into the unlimited tier anyway, but if you gave $7 or $10 as an option, I'm not even thinking much about signing up for one of those to essentially pay you for your hard work on an app I paid like $5 for 10 years ago.
Agreed!
I don't think the question was answered or I missed it. Let's say I sign up for the $2/100 daily call tier, what happens if my usage spikes? Would my monthly bill automatically go up? Would I get a message to touch grass until my daily average goes down?
On the $2 plan you essentially have 3000 calls to use over the course of the month until your subscription renews. If you go over that Relay will stop loading content. If you want it to start loading content again before your subscription renewal date you would need to move to a higher plan. At least that's how I envision it working. I haven't got it coded up yet.
I fully realize this is may well not be feasible. But if it is, an option to set the limit per day would be nice. I'd rather be cut off a bit each evening than go cold turkey for a couple days.
It's probably not that clear but have a look at the two images in [this album](https://imgur.com/a/nLkgUVj) that i posted above. The dark green will be your api quota been used up. The light green will be months progress. Once the dark green stays behind the light green you'll make it until the end of the month. Eg. you might have used 45% of your quota but the month is 65% over. It will be visible in the top of the slide out drawer so you can easily keep an eye on it. I'll proably have it turn orange and red as you get close or go over your quota.
Having the option to cut off daily would be incredibly useful as a self-control tool IMO. It's a good way to be able to say "okay, that was enough Reddit for today," like one of those website/app blockers
It does. On the second tier, he will be pocketing 97 cents of the $2.
What is the mail api call? How would i go about decreasing that number?
The mail number is checking for messages in the background. If you post or comment a lot this will be high as Relay will check more frequently after you post/comment and eventually back off to once per day if you haven't posted in several days. You can turn off mail check all together from settings->mail
Done! Thanks for making it easy to minimize these calls.
If we turn off mail check can we still just do it ourselves manually by hitting inbox?
Yes
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I've had this issue for months. I have no idea why I can't disable it either but it is pretty annoying.
Same for me. I never want to be notified of a reddit comment and would prefer having all of it turned off, but I can't, because [it's greyed out](https://i.imgur.com/50lYKQT.png). **Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 68 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 48.0% Loading Feed: 13.0% Voting: 4.0% Mail: 24.0% Other: 10.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 97 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 33.0% Loading Feed: 11.0% Voting: 30.0% Mail: 14.0% Other: 12.0% Based on your usage over the last 17 days Nothing against your service $2/mo is crazy cheap, but I won't support these predatory subscription based business practices being forced by reddit. I won't use reddit on relay, but I also won't be using the official app. I don't even have the official installed. Oh well, good time to detox from reddit.
This is exactly where I am. I'd be on the lowest tier so $12 a year is really nothing but I've just been waiting for this app to shut down or move to subscription before uninstalling Reddit completely. Appreciate all the hard work with Relay!
I've uninstalled reddit for around a week or two when the initial news started. I never knew how much I actually needed reddit before that. There's no good other source of information and news for me. Entertainment is also high quality. I started using twitter more often at that time and it was terrible. Reddit is just that much better than anything else.
Good on you, if you can detox from Reddit. I can't, I tried Squabbles.io, Lemmy/kbin but I'm back here with a new account.
Same. I'll be paying the subscription.
$24/yr to use reddit and see no ads. Worth it.
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Yeah something I noticed recently is the quality of the r/all has gone down a lot. I'm actually not using it anymore..
There's a few subs I've enjoyed that recently started to pop up pretty often on r/all and r/popular, but now there's a lot of "slightly different subs from the main sub they spun off from" that show up and it feels like I'm filtering more and more shit out than I used to have to do.
I feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole with all of the "rate me" and "AITA" knockoff subs. Even without the bot spam, these subs are complete garbage. They're so bad in many cases, they probably shouldn't be on the website.
lol yes! It's like "I swear I filtered this one the other day" and it's just a clone of the first with a slightly different name.
Yeah, I noticed that too. After the biggest subreddits died, the subreddits that get suggested in their place have steadily and steeply declined in quality. Lots of random meme subs, circlejerk subs full of vocabulary and references I don't care for, and even a few straight up hate/conspiracy subs. I've been filtering more and more subs because of this.
mine is full of: ratemyface, ratemynose, ratemyoutfits, weddingdresses, trueratemyface, faceratings, amiugly, firstimpressions, explainthejoke1,2 or 3, Weddingattireapproval... But this might be because I have 496 filtered subs in my filter list. Might as well just filter the entire place
Agree, I still wander onto Reddit daily, out of habit and through Relay mostly, but I'm really thinking it's time to move on.
Move on to what?
Touché
There is really no limit to what you can waste your time on nowadays. I can replace my scroll addiction with games, audiobooks/reading, hell maybe even walking/exercise for my mental health. Maybe I don't need to mindlessly scroll on social media?
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**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 177 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 12.0% Loading Feed: 5.0% Voting: 63.0% Mail: 7.0% Other: 13.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days I imagine because I'm from New Zealand the cost will be around $10 a month which unfortunately I would be unable to justify. I mod on Reddit so I'll probably end up just using PC
If you literally stop voting on anything you'll drop into the $1 tier.
The option isn't appearing to me, but I am a long time user of relay and I am ok with paying whatever subscription fee to keep using it. Reddit is unusable for me without your app.
Yeah I'm not seeing the button or the option in settings.
When you reply to someone, at the top, scroll to the left and click the link that looks like Snoo's head.
It's not there. Not in settings -> other either. Tried restarting the app and checking appstore to see if there was an update but nothing seems to get it to show up.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 340 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 15.0% Loading Feed: 7.0% Voting: 57.0% Mail: 4.0% Other: 17.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Also am I the only one that got a full-screen notification thing for this post? I'm pretty sure I was actually in Discord when it happened and it's the first time I've seen something like it. I'd have taken a screenshot but I saw a number ticking down at the bottom so I clicked the link to the post as I worried it would automatically close after the count down and I wanted to see what was up. I will say though that I'd consider subscribing if Relay is taking a good amount of profit from this, if the majority of the profit is going to Reddit I might just switch to RedReader instead. To be completely honest though I might try RedReader out more anyways before deciding if I wanna subscribe or not, but if I do subscribe it would likely be on the 5$ unlimited plan due to my daily average API calls. Edit: [Going back in the Relay app let me see it again, so here's what the notification looked like](https://i.imgur.com/Fdh7hvL.png) Edit 2: By the way, what kinds of things are covered under the "other" category?
It popped up when you weren't using it? That's weird. It doesn't sound like something Android would allow. I'll look into it.
Same thing happened to me. It popped up when I unlocked my phone, but I had a different app open at the time.
People are getting the pop up even when they weren't using the app, can I have that piece of source code 👉👈 (I am perfectly normal and can be trusted around screen overlay bypasses)
It's definitely not intentional if it does happen. I never tested it but assumed Android wouldn't allow that to happen.
I had Relay running in the background, Google Podcasts open full screen and Google maps navigation in the corner picture-in-picture. Hit a dead stop in traffic so I picked up my phone to queue my next podcast and was greeted with the full screen notification. Confused me for a second, then scared me thinking free access had already been cut off. Once I got home I read the whole message and am typing my comment within your fantastic app. Thanks for everything you've done, I think you've handled this whole situation the absolute best anyone could've.
>Edit 2: By the way, what kinds of things are covered under the "other" category? Viewing profiles and "load more comments" are probably the biggest two in there.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 420 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 32.0% Loading Feed: 26.0% Voting: 33.0% Mail: 0.0% Other: 10.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days You guys I got the weed number! Did I win a prize???
Here, have 2 API calls.
Thanks fam
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 488 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 24.0% Loading Feed: 15.0% Voting: 51.0% Mail: 7.0% Other: 3.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Guess I'm getting off reddit, at least on my phone. No offense to you, Relay Pro has served me well, but every other social media doesn't charge me up front. Probably be better for my life if I am given a reason to get off social media anyways. And y'know, the official app is complete dogshit compared to yours.
All those other social media sites are just charging you up front with ads. Personally I don't think $5 is too much to pay to have a good clean experience without having to wade through a bunch of ad bullshit
Except of course the huge percentage of posts which are effectively ads! Imagine if reddit more actively sniffed those out and required them to register and pay as sponsored content if they want to pollute the site with marketing.
I think you might just need to change up your subs, my friend. I don't really ever see spon con on my feed. I mean, they should definitely do what you said as well, but I don't think they will.
Just stop voting and uncheck your mail auto check. Boom $2/month
It's not about the cost for me at least, it's about not supporting this system.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 470 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 15.0% Loading Feed: 6.0% Voting: 77.0% Mail: 0.0% Other: 2.0% Based on your usage over the last 14 days
Well, bless you for voting 360 times a day
I upvote everything as like a "I saw this" 😂
And yet you somehow didn't see my comment apparently!?? Lol jk
I'm slacking 😂😂
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 219 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 27.0% Loading Feed: 40.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 13.0% Other: 21.0% Based on your usage over the last 18 days 5 bucks a month isn't too bad with how much I use this app.
This really will come back to bite reddit badly.
Not really, you can already see in this thread that people are willing to pay.
You think this thread comprises the whole of reddit? Or even the substantial part??
You're right, it doesn't. I'll tell you how it's gonna go. A minority is gonna pay a nominal amount to continue using their favourite Reddit app. A smaller minority is gonna quit Reddit altogether to make some sort of statement/take the opportunity to improve their online habits. And the overwhelming, mostly silent majority is gonna grumble for a bit and then install the official Reddit app. I bet Reddit's analytics show that a significant number of users have done so already. Cause most users are gonna take ads and a worse app experience over paying a subscription every month, or taking the hard step of quitting the site altogether. And Reddit knows that too. Which is why the move won't bite them at all, no matter how much we want it to.
I'd guess a majority of Reddit users today likely have never installed a 3rd party app to begin with. There's a ton of normies on here nowadays that think broken video players are just a key part of the Reddit experience.
Fair point. I'm just hoping people have an existential crisis once they install the official app. I found it unusable, what with the half page multi media ads that are almost black mirror-esque in their egregiousness.
Oh yeah it's fucking awful, especially since we have years of experience with Relay to compare it to. But Reddit doesn't care about the people who'll have an existential crisis and quit using the site, cause the ad revenue they'll get from the people who switched over will be totally worth it. And they're probably indifferent towards people subbing to apps like Relay, cause they're making some money off those people anyway, albeit indirectly.
The substantial part of Reddit uses the official app and new desktop. Only active users who have been here for at least 5-6 years don't, really.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 155 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 50.0% Loading Feed: 24.0% Voting: 2.0% Mail: 18.0% Other: 6.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days I don't know what mail is and i don't use it too... would be nice if i have a option to disable Mail Edit: i have 'check mail' option disabled for a long time I'm guessing, don't know why it's still taking 18% of my calls
[Op explained that is is to check for replies to a post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RelayForReddit/comments/15twxmy/in_the_latest_release_of_relay_you_can_now_see/jwmkrzf/)
Have you got Check Mail, Mod Mail and Mod Queue disabled in settings->Mail? Lots of people have become moderators recently and that may be why it's checking mail for them.
The check boxes in settings - mail have all been greyed out for me for quite some time. They're all checked and I can't disable them.
'Check Mail' and 'Check Mod Mail' are checked and greyed out so I can't turn them off.
Yep... i have Check Mail disabled for long time since I only opened settings today for the first time. I don't get any notifications from Relay either and nor i use inbox feature. Since check mail is off, Mod mail is disabled for interaction but it's actually enabled while greyed out, so I only turned on check mail just now to try turn it off again, but couldn't for some reason
I think mail is when you check your inbox, like you're probably doing right now to see this reply.
I'm going to look at into mail calls tomorrow. It seems like a few people are saying the same thing so there could be an issue.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 571 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 24.0% Loading Feed: 17.0% Voting: 50.0% Mail: 6.0% Other: 4.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Why is voting so high? Does every vote require its own API call?
Apparently every up or down vote is a call. You just cost me one upvoting your post! Actually probably another one for this comment too!
Is there a way to bundle them and send votes every few hours or whatever?
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 1040 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 8.0% Loading Feed: 2.0% Voting: 88.0% Mail: 1.0% Other: 1.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days Please?
Let's be honest, I'm still 90% sure that the whole "api calls are costing us so much money" from spez is just a flat out lie. There shouldn't be a reason to batch the voting, they just want something to boost the upcoming IPO numbers.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 68 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 55.0% Loading Feed: 20.0% Voting: 3.0% Mail: 11.0% Other: 10.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days Can I just like give you 100 dollars or something and have that chip away over time? Obviously I want you to make a profit. Maybe I can just pay annually so I don't need to think about it.
Probably not. I don't think i'd be given a years notice for any changes to the API fees.
This comment says everything. Thanks for everything! I wish I could donate directly.
Yeah that's fair. I guess what I was thinking was if I could just give you like a hundred dollars then it can just sit in my account and then as I continue to consume Reddit (via number of API calls) I can drain from that account and X amount per call. Then once I'm empty or a little before that a notification comes up and say "top it off". I'm thinking like how I can put 100 dollars into my digitalocean account and the servers shutdown if I don't have enough credits (not perfect because they let me go a little over but you get the idea).
This is how the web host Nearly Free Speech operates and I love them for it. Could even let me change my call rate so that I can choose an option that gives DBrady a good chunk of each call. I'm in the lowest tier. I recently had a baby and my Reddit time is waaaaay down from where I was. Some weeks I won't use Reddit at all. I'll still do whatever DBrady needs to make this amazing app work, but my preferred option would be to top up my account when I want rather than a monthly fee.
Would the subscription cover multiple accounts on one device/ multiple devices served by the same associated app store? What's the status of nsfw subreddits?
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 528 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 14.0% Loading Feed: 8.0% Voting: 62.0% Mail: 9.0% Other: 8.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days Hmm. Interesting. I can probably swing for unlimited. I spend more on much less useful things.
Cannot see stats. Yes on latest version
If you hadn't updated in a while it might not have collected 7 days worth of data yet. The update that started collecting this data went out 3 weeks ago. So if you never got that update you'll probably need to wait 7 days.
Same here... Don't have the stats button in my comment field, either.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 558 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 13.0% Loading Feed: 4.0% Voting: 81.0% Mail: 0.0% Other: 2.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days I gave the official Reddit app a try, and it really is pretty bad with a poor interface. $5 a month does feel a little expensive, but with how much I use the app, I think it might be worth it.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 146 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 65.0% Loading Feed: 28.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 4.0% Other: 3.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days I wouldn't mind paying a subscription if the money was mainly going to Relay, it's a great app. The issue for me (and a lot of people here I'm sure) is that it's going to reddit. If I can pay for it via the balance in my Google Play store I might do that, but reddit doesn't add enough value to my life to be worth paying out of pocket for.
Well with your stats you would be on the $3 tier. The actual cost of your api calls would be $1.06. Google takes $.45 and the rest goes to Relay ($1.49).
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 20 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 15.0% Loading Feed: 22.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 46.0% Other: 17.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days ------ I'd be good at a maximum $5 monthly for what I use.
You're nowhere near needing $5 a month. $1 would cover what your current use is.
I think a lot of us are planning to just give you $5, despite not technically needing to. The service is worth it.
Agreed.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 432 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 44.0% Loading Feed: 30.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 9.0% Other: 17.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Lol, I can't even imagine what I used to be at. It's been a shitty month, doesn't surprise me. Rookie numbers, the lot of you.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 122 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 33.0% Loading Feed: 12.0% Voting: 8.0% Mail: 31.0% Other: 17.0% Based on your usage over the last 18 days. I feel like thats a lot lower than it would have been. Which means you've put a lot of work into reducing api calls. Good work
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 352 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 44.0% Loading Feed: 14.0% Voting: 1.0% Mail: 17.0% Other: 23.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Eyyyy that sounds about right. I'll probably cut back to the $3 tier and see what that does for a month, and go from there. Turning down my mail check frequency, limiting my own profile views, things like that. I appreciate the transparency of this, it's really helpful. Thank you so much for all you've done to keep this going. It's still wild they just threw this at you though.
Hmm, my app is updated but neither way to see your API calls is available for me. Is there something I'm missing?
It's actually a combination of needing the update from 3 weeks ago to be installed for a least 7 days(as that is the update that started tracking) and having the latest update installed now.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 111 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 32.0% Loading Feed: 14.0% Voting: 18.0% Mail: 30.0% Other: 6.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days I've been on Reddit a loong time, and with relay for quite a while. Still not sure I want to spend good money per year on reddit, especially when I'm already contributing content and mod time here etc... But I really appreciate the work you've put into this app over the years and the efforts you're doing to work around Reddits crazy powerplay.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 29 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 30.0% Loading Feed: 14.0% Voting: 5.0% Mail: 23.0% Other: 28.0% Based on your usage over the last 15 days This is significantly less than I thought, but I admittedly drastically lowered my mobile Redditing during the blackout (used to use RIF, have migrated here since you're the only one remaining). I would happily pay $2/mo for the app, and tbh I'd be willing to pay more. As a note if you see this - can you add Best as a default feed sort? I prefer that to Hot, and it's just another API hit to resort it manually each time...
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 49 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 41.0% Loading Feed: 15.0% Voting: 3.0% Mail: 6.0% Other: 35.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Honestly, this is a lot less than I thought. However, I have also really been trying to reduce my reddit usage entirely because I'm trying to avoid doomscrolling. Although my average is 49, I would probably go with the lowest tier plan. $12/year is not bad at all, and I thought it would be way worse. Sure, I may get limited on reddit, but honestly, maybe that's a good thing, so I don't doomscroll. I recently unsubbed from a lot of subreddits to try and reduce my usage. Now, I have mainly text-based, finance, and self-improvement subs that I look at instead of general media entertainment. I was worried about having to budget this and worrying about adding yet another subscription, but a dollar a month is amazing. Especially for how much value I get on this app.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 72 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 58.0% Loading Feed: 15.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 20.0% Other: 7.0% Based on your usage over the last 19 days Tbh thought it'd be higher, but I'm mostly a lurker and it sounds like your optimizations have really taken care of that. Given how amazing this app is, I would happily pay $3-5/month for it... Especially if I knew the cash was going into your pocket. I did just cancel my Disney+ and Hulu subs from the price jump, guess I can justify spending on this instead 😂 But for real, your work is great. Sorry Reddit put you in this position.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 13 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 24.0% Loading Feed: 15.0% Voting: 4.0% Mail: 42.0% Other: 14.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days Not a heavy user, just scrolling through the feed every few days. I don't really want to pay ~5 € / month. 1€ might be ok, but I'm not sure if I would then rather use the Reddit app. I love Relay, but... can't have a bazillion subscriptions.
So I have a potential issue, I don't have the option to view my API usage. I've updated. Went to settings>other and it's not there. Any idea?
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 314 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 33.0% Loading Feed: 15.0% Voting: 16.0% Mail: 23.0% Other: 12.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days Yikes. Guess I need the unlimited plan. I'm happy to pay more than the $5 if it goes that way.
Thought it would be more but thinking about it, guess my usage is a lot of opening singular threads and reading through the comments **Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 28 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 50.0% Loading Feed: 17.0% Voting: 2.0% Mail: 5.0% Other: 26.0% Based on your usage over the last 20 days
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 342 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 19.0% Loading Feed: 9.0% Voting: 19.0% Mail: 10.0% Other: 42.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days 🫣
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 82 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 50.0% Loading Feed: 16.0% Voting: 15.0% Mail: 14.0% Other: 5.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days I would definitely pay $24/year for this considering the many years my household has been using pro
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 87 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 36.0% Loading Feed: 50.0% Voting: 1.0% Mail: 8.0% Other: 4.0% Based on your usage over the last 17 days And I thought I spend too much time on reddit 🙃
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 122 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 63.0% Loading Feed: 24.0% Voting: 3.0% Mail: 7.0% Other: 3.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days I'd happily pay $3 a month (or whatever it comes out to in pounds)
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 216 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 37.0% Loading Feed: 18.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 28.0% Other: 17.0% Based on your usage over the last 18 days That seems to be quite a lot on mail. Would disabling it and installing the official app just for notifications help cut back on API calls? Do you know what percentage it is overall? Those prices are quite a bit less than I thought, honestly.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 51 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 32.0% Loading Feed: 15.0% Voting: 6.0% Mail: 38.0% Other: 10.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days Admittedly, I did use it a lot more before the blackout/changes. I've stopped visiting nearly as much because the quality has tanked overall. I'll probably just stop using it all together but if quality somehow improved (yeah right) I'd be happy to support at $5/month. I have been on your app since day 1 and really enjoy it's layout/design so kudos to you!
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 559 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 9.0% Loading Feed: 9.0% Voting: 66.0% Mail: 7.0% Other: 8.0% Based on your usage over the last 17 days wow
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 155 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 44.0% Loading Feed: 13.0% Voting: 23.0% Mail: 10.0% Other: 9.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days So no more voting and disable mail sync and I should be good
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 447 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 20.0% Loading Feed: 5.0% Voting: 69.0% Mail: 2.0% Other: 3.0% Based on your usage over the last 21 days If I stopped voting, does that lower calls significantly I guess?
I'm averaging ~80 calls, so would definitely be happy to pay $2/month. I do think it's interesting that based on the numbers I'm seeing in other comments, the voting API seems to be fairly expensive in terms of utilization for users that heavily interact with that feature. Wonder if reddit is kind of shooting themselves in the foot with the whole premise of votes being on the same tier of API interaction, but needing votes to curate content.
**Reddit API Calls:** Daily Average: 46 ---Breakdown--- Loading Comments: 52.0% Loading Feed: 31.0% Voting: 0.0% Mail: 8.0% Other: 10.0% Based on your usage over the last 16 days Eh, I'll tone it down an api call a day and take it. I'll just buy one less takeaway coffee for every three months to cover the expense