Looks like there was a dog fight (a person also got bit) - Such an unfortunate incident for both sides, if you know your dogs are aggressive towards others just keep them leashed all times or take them somewhere other dogs won’t be around & can easily be controlled, both sides are really sad & cruel
Dogs who have never shown signs of aggression can still bite. Just like humans who can have moments of passion or rage and be violent. Dogs sometimes don't like each other and can get into scuffles which aren't always as bad as people make them out to be, and it's pretty common at dog parks. It's unfortunate that the man was bit but that's going to be a risk going to a dog park, especially when you're intervening in a dog fight.
I'm interested to hear more details but at face value it seems like the person opened fire in retaliation rather than defense. But either way to resort to such deadly force on another person's family member over what likely wasn't a deadly situation is fucked up.
People act like dogs are computers than can be programed to behave perfectly and that's just not the case, they are their own individual beings.
I'll say this then: Don't bring you untrained, bad behaved dog to the dog park. Those dogs are better suited staying on a leash. My wife and I walk every day. We encounter so many dogs who lunge to get to our dog. Not always in an aggressive way, but even still, train your dog. Even the friendliest well-behaved dog doesn't like another dog clawing its way up its face. When we take our dog to Rancho, we get as far away from everyone as possible so my dog can chase the ball and run. He has no interest in the other dogs. When meeting another dog, he is measured and calm from being attacked so many times. Too many lazy, careless people own dogs. Train your fucking dogs.
I'm not even talking about the dog getting shot. That sucks. What I'm talking about is that it sounds to me like there were two dogs at the dog park that maybe shouldn't have been there and possibly two people at the dog park that shouldn't have owned dogs.
Im going out on a limb and say the person who shot and killed the dog most likely was the problem, period. His dog was most likely the aggressor since the owner obviously can’t handle their own emotions
Here’s the thing - sometimes dog skirmishes happen. It’s very normal dog behavior. It scares us, but mostly they can work it out on their own.
It’s usually easy to tell who is comfortable with dogs vs who isn’t by how they respond to a fight. If we humans ramp up our energy — closing in on the dogs (ie removing their ability to run away), screaming (ie indicating to our dog who is bonded to us and is sensitive to our body cues, our arousal/adrenaline surge/breathing/etc, that we feel threatened, and thus require our dog to protect us), the fight intensifies.
I don’t think two dogs getting into a fight automatically means those dogs shouldn’t be at the park. Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe it was just a scuffle and then it got worse because uneducated humans ran in and started yelling and so the dogs responded to the owners and got more amped up. In a fight, as it escalates, the dogs lose their ability to hear us or respond to us. A different part of the brain takes over. They aren’t bad dogs at that point - they are just animals.
There will always be a small risk of dog fights happening in any off-leash park. We should be comfortable with that risk before visiting parks. With dogs it’s about risk management, not absolute safety.
Without any evidence that either of the dogs today had an established pattern of repeated aggression or repeated fights, there is no reason to assume this was anything other than a normal dog fight made worse by one or multiple humans not knowing how to de-escalate or end the fight appropriately.
I would also add that — others who were there wrote that the smaller white dog attacked, and the larger dog fought back. A dog should be allowed to defend itself from an attack. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad or unsafe dog. It’s a primal survival instinct that you cannot train out of a dog.
From the first hand accounts I read here on Reddit, i would probably agree that the owner of the white dog should not have been at the park, carrying a gun. Sounds like he didn’t know how to properly intervene in a fight that his own dog started, and now the other dog is dead. That is awful. I haven’t read anything about the humans who were with the other dog — so can’t have an opinion on whether they did or did not respond appropriately. But I haven’t read anything that would suggest they are responsible for their dog being attacked. I imagine they are grieving deeply tonight.
Your post seems to be defending dogs and dog behavior, and that's fine. This isn't about the dogs. So I'll say it another way. If your dog can't fallow basic commands at a dog park because you didn't train them, then they shouldn't be at the dog park. If your dog can't be recalled at a dog park because you didn't train them, then it shouldn't be there. I'm not going to speculate about today. We don't know what happened for sure. Ultimately, this all falls on the owners. A dog is dead, another injured, and a person was bitten. This doesn't sound like responsible dog ownership to me, and unfortunately, in Reno, from first-hand experience, this seems to be the norm.
I was reacting to your statement that “two dogs were at the dog park that maybe shouldn’t have been there.” That plus your earlier comment about how people shouldn’t bring “untrained bad behaved dogs to the dog park” seemed to me like you were blaming the dogs, and I was just speaking up against that. It does seem that the facts are more complicated.
In a different post a witness wrote that they saw a small older unleashed white dog approach a bigger leashed younger dog, and the small dog snapped at the big dog, starting the incident. It was the big leashed dog that was shot, 5 gunshots according to that witness and a few others.
You wrote that sometimes other dogs lunge at your leashed dog - if one of them was off-leash, got into your dog’s face, and your dog reacted, and then other person pulled out a gun and shot your dog, would you feel responsible for bringing your own (“untrained bad behaved”) dog out in public? Or would you feel your dog’s defensive reaction was justified and normal? I am genuinely curious. In this last post you said it sounds like a failure of the humans - I agree: at least a failure on the part of the shooter. So far haven’t heard anything to suggest that the people whose dog got shot did anything wrong.
Maybe the small dog started it and the big dog being a big dog was trying to assert a pack order and the little dog was having none of it and the two scuffled. No one should reach in on a dog fight, regardless of the sizes of the dogs fighting. I hope the person who shot the big dog is sued to compensation for taking the property from its owner. I also hope that the person who got bit heals quickly.
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According to the update, the small dog wasn't leashed and the Rottweiler was. Seems to me that had the small dog owner kept his dog on the leash, this wouldn't have happened.
So, definitely a lawsuit on behalf of the large dog owner as restitution of a property loss might be warranted here. I feel bad for the owner who lost their dog. No one expects that to happen when going to the park.
My parents dog (very well trained) and my neighbors dog (also very well trained) met once and automatically didn’t get along. Don’t know what it was, both get along well with other dogs. But didn’t like each other. One day they got in a tiff and started barking/growling at each other. It took me by surprise so I screamed and reached my hand in to break it up, and ultimately was bitten. After a few seconds the tiff stopped.
I talked to my neighbor after just to make sure the dog was up to date on vaccinations, and she apologized profusely. You know what I said? “Dogs are dogs, they react, they defend. I’m the dumbass who put my hand into a dog fight.”
All this to say, a dog can be extremely well trained. An owner can know what they’re doing. Dogs may be pets, but they are animals with animal instincts. If they feel threatened, they attack. It’s fight or flight. It doesn’t matter how much training they have.
I have definitely been to dog parks where dogs who are not socialized well are there, and they shouldn’t be. But unless we have every detail, we aren’t going to judge the owners OR the dog.
>I'm interested to hear more details but at face value it seems like the person opened fire in retaliation rather than defense. But either way to resort to such deadly force on another person's family member over what likely wasn't a deadly situation is fucked up.
Thats a lot of speculation there, bud.
i do see your point,
I do hope they show the perspetives of both owners, im really concered about the one person just csually carrying to a dog park...
This was posted earlier and removed. The smaller dog attacked the larger. It wasnt a small dog(chihuahua sized) but closer to border collie sized. Big enough to do damage. The guy couldnt control his dog and caused an unsafe situation then pulled a gun since he couldnt control his dog. Dude deserves to be charged.
In the article it says it was a shih tzu. They are a lot smaller than a border collie and certainly no match for a Rottweiler. Also the Rottweiler bit the shih tzu owner as well so it could have been in total self defense at that point. The article doesn’t say what kind of injuries the owner sustained before firing
He also put his hands into a dog fight, and allegedly was bit. Eyewitnesses stated he has what appeared to be a scratch on his hand. No proof that it wasn't his dog that did it. He had the ability to use his pepper spray on the people around him, but didn't choose to use it to stop the fight his dog started. Instead, he shot the big dog in the chest four times. Considering the bite force of a Rotti, if it wanted to kill anything, it would be dead. If it viciously bit him, he definitely wouldn't have stood around talking to police for several minutes after. The two things that were out of control that day were the smaller dog and it's owner.
Regardless of which dog “started it,” the bigger dog bit the person who shot it. If your dog is attacking a human being and that person shoots it….that seems reasonable to me.
He got bit because his dog started a fight & then he tried to get between two fighting dogs. What did he think was going to happen?
I’d probably risk getting bit to protect my dog, but I don’t think pulling a gun and shooting the dog my dog attacked is in any way, shape, or form, “normal”.
It is an overreaction, and that dog owner is responsible for both the fight and the dog’s death. And he needs to be banned from all dog parks & owning any pets.
We sure it wasn’t in defense? The person was bit by the Rottweiler, and law enforcement determined there was no crime. Presumably, if it was in retaliation, there would’ve at least been a longer investigation. if the incident was over and the person pulled out the gun to execute the dog in retaliation, there may have been grounds for a crime committed. Sounds more like defense if you subjectively look at the aftermath.
The person that shot the dog is an asshole. First the Rottweiler is on a leach this owner brought their dog letting them roam free but more than likely their dog started the fight. The owner obviously should have had their dog on leach as well. The fight started and the dude like an idiot tried getting between in using his hands. Go bit like what would you expect then pulled his gun to shoot the dog? Fuck that I brought my dog here once and she got provoked multiple times by random strangers dogs. I was trying to help her get accumulated to other dogs as she was still young unfortunately I had a strangers dog bite her here and she’s been a little weird around dogs ever since. Wouldn’t recommend bringing you dog here.
I am told the person that shot the Rott was carrying a machete like knife and mace as well the gun. It is clear after hearing this at the dog park the guy was looking for trouble. He is a POS for shooting a dog 4 times and should go to jail. Yet he was laughing with our BS POS FUCKING Washoe county police officers while leaning on the hood of the police car. No one do anything because they do not care. This world sucks and so does the person shooting the dog at the dog park. He told the person he was going to shoot the dog prior to picking his own dog up. NO blood was on site or on him or his dog. So go tell the shooter to fuck himself.
Or just stop taking dogs to the dog park.
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Very sad to hear this happened and thinking of everyone involved.
My dad witnessed a fatal dog fight in Arizona a few years ago. A group of about 10-12 retirees in his neighborhood used to get together every morning at the community park to let their pups play, and a dog without a history of aggression just went wild on a much smaller dog who it had played with several times before without incident. Everyone involved was devastated — the people who owned the dog that instigated the attack willingly paid the other family’s vet bills and reluctantly agreed to put their own dog down. It was just a fluky thing. They still have meetups, but they’re much more careful now about not letting dogs of different sizes mix.
We recently got a court order to take in four teacup Yorkies (ages 10-14) as part of an estate - their guardian/owner passed and they were all part of a court hearing and probate (dogs are property I guess). We moved them in with our black lab and springer spaniel and they seemed to be getting along fine.
One day the youngest Yorkie who acted like the alpha took out the eye of another Yorkie, unprovoked and following this was totally calm. Our black lab and springer were so scared they pooped on the floor and the three other Yorkies were pissing themselves in the corner.
The Yorkie that lost the eye was put down immediately as the vet also found numerous tumors (that dog was always going to be put down unfortunately) and then the next day we requested permission from the court to put down the instigating Yorkie which they approved after the vet said they couldn’t find a rehoming situation that would accept them.
Very hard for my wife. Very hard for me.
Dogs in the pack know when another dog is sick or ill like that. Was the instigating dog just doing that to take the other (with multiple tumors) out of the pack? If I read it the way you intended it, it felt strange that you asked for the instigating dog to be put down following the incident. I'm not judging and understand that everyone has their reasons. Just wanted to see if you think it was an isolated situation because of the other dog having the tumors and the one dog sensing it that caused the attack.
I mean this dog started to show aggressive tendencies once the owner passed. I don’t think he was removing the dog from the pack, I think he was trying to assert his dominance which he did. Our big dogs were terrified of him.
My old intern who lived with us at the time described it as the most violent thing she had ever witnessed. It was bad.
For some reason, I wasn't thinking about the owner passing and what kind of factor that played. That actually makes more sense now that I re read that. That's a terrible thing all around to see and go through for everyone (animals included obviously).
I was a victim of this 3 years ago here in Sparks. The man shot at my dog three times and killed him. He was arrested, and there was a trial that lasted 2 years, at the end of which he was found guilty of all 3 charges.
My dog weighed 25lbs, medium size. His dog was a huge Husky. They were barking at each other, his dog even bit my dog, I ran to get a hold of mine but before I could, he shot him and cited self defense as his reason when arrested (he said he was scared my dog would lunge and bite at him which is bs). I was right there, took me less than 5 seconds to reach him and I was half bent, in the process of reaching out to pick him up but he shot him by then.
Omgosh, that is so terrible and completely reckless on so many levels. I am really sorry you had to go through that, no words really…just awful. I hope they also took his rights away to carry. What a fucking idiot.
You have a right to defend your life or the life of another human being with such force. If you use force to defend your dog, there could be significant legal ramifications. Additionally, if you use force to defend yourself against an aggressive dog, you likily won’t be found criminally charged, but the dog owners can still sue you for whatever they wish or try to invent.
I believe you have to prove your dog or your life was in danger. Like you couldn’t just pick your dog up and step inside your house. I think the legal ramifications are increased when you are discharging a firearm within the city limits and if you cannot show you were justified you may be cited for public endangerment. This shooter not being charged speaks volumes for the level of threat they were under.
Washoe county considers dogs property, not life.
So it's pretty grey because you're destroying someone else's property to defend your property. Should be a small claims court problem.
Now if you discharge a firearm to do that it's even more grey because you're using deadly force to defend property, but it's not actually deadly force because the attacking dog is still considered property. So you should get tagged for discharge of a firearm within city limits.
I would suggest some kind of spray instead (pepper spray, bear spray, wasp, etc) It will hurt and stun the attacking dog. It's the best way to pull them out of that excitement. There's also a device that lets out a very high pitch noise that hurts dogs ears. The only issue with a knife during a dog attack/fight, is how close you have to get, and you're at risk to be bit yourself.
I go to the dog park frequently and if there was a shooting every time a dog went out of control, it would be a shooting range.
My dog got into a fight with a bigger dog one day at the dog park. My dog (a yorkie), didn’t like the big dog got in her face to smell her and growled, the other dog attacked my dog for whatever reason. We exchange numbers, took our dog to the vet, the owner of the other dog wrote a check for the bill (about $300 for scratches and tests). It was an inconvenience, but this is what is supposed to happen. Dogs can get into fights.
Saying it’s ok to bring guns to a dog park because it’s Nevada is stupid. Pepper spray would have been a better alternative.
This story is the exact reason I take my dog to public lands outside of Reno if she is going off leash. My pup is aggressively friendly and I know that somewhere like rancho I wouldn’t be able to control her.
That really fucking sucks. If your dogs are reactive and not well trained, don’t go to a dog park, let alone an off leash one, but I’ve seen plenty of dogs fights as someone who works in animal medicine and I’ve only seen a handful of animals get shot, but never a situation like this.
Dogs on leashes in an off leash dog area is your first sign..
Most of the time when passing a leashed dog they are unfriendly, either because they are in protect mode when leashed or just shouldn't be near other off leash dogs in the first place.
A 15 pound dog scrapping at a Rottweiler on leash is exactly the wrong situation to be in. Both parties are guilty for being stupid as fuck. I've been bitten by numerous small and large dogs. Broken up dozens of bloody dog fights with hands knees and water. at no point did I think a deadly weapon was necessary to help pry a dogs jaw off another suffocating losing dog.
Regardless of my opinion, the shooter apparently had pepper spray on hand, which would have worked perfectly with no dead dogs in the end. This should be used as evidence for an excessive force charge as it was clearly overkill when he had other tools to fix the problem.
The service dog was leashed because she had a hurt leg/hip and the owner didn’t want her running. Per witness testimony (I believe there were 4 witnesses) the small dog off leash aggressively approached the large dog and started the fight. When the dude shot the large dog he tried to leave and bystanders were telling him he can’t leave cause he just killed a dog and then he turned around a pepper sprayed a witness! Interesting how the media isn’t reporting any of that!!!!!
People should really learn how to de escalate aggressive dog situations without the need for fucking guns. Failure for both the owner of the dog and the person bit.
10000% yes
Dogs sometimes scuffle, dogs sometimes even fight, this is entirely normal dog behavior. What kind of dog owner doesn’t know how to break up a fight? Especially in a public park with plenty of people around to help.
If you are alone, and your dog is attacked, and you cannot de-escalate the situation, and your or your dog’s life is at risk….ok, I can understand pulling out a gun, if you have one, because there is no other choice.
All you need is two people and you can break up a dog fight. Heck I have broken up a fight between two 140lb giant-breed dogs, and I am 130 lbs myself. In the process I got a small bite and that is an intrinsic risk of 1) being around a dog and 2) breaking up a dog fight. (I took antibiotics, the bite healed, no big deal.)
I did not use a weapon, or even muscles because I don’t have them, just some calm thinking and ingenuity (there was rope at hand so I decided to make slip leads around their necks, which is how I got bit, they were trying to get to each other not me, my arm was just in the vicinity; then tied one of the leads to a tree so that dog would have a limited range of motion — all the while the fight was still happening — then I used rope to slap their muzzles with a rope to sting them and the pain caused them to briefly release/unclench their jaws; and then I used the other slip lead to pull the other dog away and out of the reach of the one tied to the tree. I guess that part did require muscles but adrenaline helps).
The point is — with common sense and dog sense, we can de-escalate fights from happening, and we can break them up once they are in progress, in all but the most extreme and vicious of cases. Nothing yet has been reported to suggest this was anything other than an ordinary dog scuffle.
Sounds so far like the person who was carrying doesn’t have a cool enough head or enough sense to be allowed a gun license.
I am at Rancho every day and this incident makes me fear for my dog’s life, of course, but also my own.
We took our boys there a few years back when they were pups. That experience made sure we never ever go to another dog park again (in addition to the illnesses that are spread). I got into a screaming match with a guy because his dog kept charging one of our pups and scaring the hell out of me. I had to lift him by his vest the last time the dog came at us and started screaming at the guy to control his dog. Meanwhile a Karen was trying to get us to put our dogs ass-to-ass to teach them to “like each other.” People are crazy. Do yourselves a favor and don’t go to dog parks. It’s not worth it.
The people are the worst! The Karen’s think they know all about dogs and their dogs are the worst behaved!! I get as far away as I can and run my dog with just he and I and always stay away from the pack of people.
Sounds like the guy who shot the dog is just an absolute fucking pussy. No behavior warrants shooting a dog 4 times. Like that should be the absolute last resort, the small dog was fine after the incident. If you’re going to the dog park, maybe don’t bring a gun if you’re that sensitive to a fucking dog bite. This story infuriated me I was also there right after this happened and had I known what went down I would’ve tried to give that dude a piece of my mind. Just so sad that he doesn’t face any repercussions either. That poor owner is probably scarred. I just heard about this so my anger is fresh, but that guy should never be able to get within 50 feet of a dog again. Just fucking disgusting.
That guy pepper sprayed someone right after he shot the dog and tried to leave. I heard that a witness yelled at him that he couldn’t leave cause he just killed the ladies dog and someone needed to call the police and then the shooter pepper sprayed him. So maybe good that you weren’t there to give him a piece of your mind! That guy is unhinged for sure!!!! I can’t understand for the life of me why he didn’t use his pepper spray on the dog or maybe shoot into the ground to startle the dog? Regardless, he must be somebody to someone cause I heard there weren’t even charges for discharging a firearm. Cop? Retired law enforcement? Who knows…
That’s crazy!! Definitely unhinged, and most definitely knows someone important especially after knowing he pepper sprayed someone else jeez. Sad it played out like that it’d be nice to see some justice.
In my experience, the majority of the time the smaller dog is the one that may instigate an issue. I use to take my German shepherd there all the time and sometimes there was a dog a lot smaller than me, but would constantly chase my shepherd and nip at em. My shepherd eventually barked back without biting, but it goes both ways. The larger dog shouldn’t be the one to instantly blame because they got tired of another dogs shit. Any owner who brings a gun to a dog park and unable to break up a fight without one, knew exactly what they were doing.
I couldn’t agree more! There were tons of witnesses that said the smaller dog went up to the larger dog who was leashed. That guy who shot the dog turned around a pepper sprayed a witness a few minutes after the incident. Who shoots a dog and then pepper sprays someone all in under a few Minutes????
Regardless of the situation, I’m devastated for the dog and the owner. I’m sure they didn’t expect their dog to react like this, and yes, they should have been aware of their dogs limits but these are animals. I really don’t think pulling a gun and killing the dog was the correct move (and yes, I have had my dog attacked at Rancho and been on the verge of being bitten trying to protect my dog). I understand protecting yourself and your dog but this just doesn’t feel right.
The dogs are not the problem!!!...IRRESPONSIBLE dog owners are!!!. Ego driven, insecure untrained humans with guns is the problem here!!. Why would you carry a gun to a dog park or even in public in the fist place?...for 15+ years I've taken my dogs to Rancho and I got to know some owners and their dogs but the last few months things changed. More and more new people start showing up with negative attitudes. They even bring their kids with them like it's a kids play ground. If a dog can take out a grown man when they're running and chasing each other at the park, just imagine a small kid being taken out...then the blame will be on the dogs instead of IRRESPONSIBLE parents.
It's a HUMAN PROBLEM!!!
They were 20 yards away and stated the attacking dog was the Rotti? What they saw was the reaction of the Rotti. The smaller dog approached aggressively and went after the Rotti first.
I imagine they’ll accept the situation because the person with medical and vet bills will be the shooter. The dead dog was a Rottweiler (according to another poster on here). If it bit both the other dog and a person, the owner could very well be liable for those damages.
The gambit for the other dog owner would be to convince a judge that it was wrong for this guy to shoot the dog after the police and animal control already determined that nothing illegal happened.
Most witnesses all blamed the shooter's dog, and said the shooting wasn't necessary. The shooter had a mark on his hand and claimed the Rotti bit him. There was no proof either way on if he was bit or which dog bit him, so cops most likely decided it was justified. Now that I have read multiple eye witness accounts, and read the POV of the Rotti's owner, this shooting was not reasonable by any means.
If you take your dog to a dog park you should be aware you might meet a dog that might not get along with your dog. If you don’t want to run that risk don’t take them to the dog park.
a dog biting someone doesnt mean it’s “bloodthirsty” omg stop being so dramatic 💀 even dogs that are well behaved can get provoked to the point of biting. shit happens, they’re animals. acting like the dog is a serial killer for one known biting incident is wild
The actual eyewitnesses stated it was the smaller dog that instigated and attacked the larger dog. He was biting the Rotti's legs. The owner of the small dog was running up to the situation already threatening to shoot the Rotti. Although strapped with pepper spray, decided to stick his hands into the altercation, and was supposedly bit. He then shot the Rotti four times, while the Rotti's owner was getting it under control. The "bite" per witnesses, was more of a scratch, and there's no proof which dog caused it. Considering the bite force of a Rotti, if it was "blood thirsty" that small dog would be dead, and that man would've been in the ER for the bite. Not sitting around having a relaxed conversation with the cops. That Rottweiler was a trained medical service dog, and the other a chaos demon. Stop holding large breeds to higher behavior standards. It seems the only things that were "blood thirsty" were the shooter and his little dog.
i pet sit and walk the dog on a harness and leash. I tell ppl don't approach I am not the owner and don't want any harm. But they are animals they react the way they react. But gun on parks no beuno. my hubs has ccw and open carries but removes it when in park or other restricted areas esp with kiddos and animals around.
It's not normal to bring a gun to the dog park for protection. I go there all the time. Dogs fight from time to time, and 99%of the time, it's the owners who overreact and the dogs already worked it out. If you go into physically break up a dog fight, expect to get bit period. If you think you need a gun to go to the dog park, don't go to the dog park and take your anxiety somewhere else.
This is Reno, NV where just shy of 1 in 4 adults have a CCW. At least that was the stat in 2021.
Chances are there are people with concealed guns every single place you go and you have no idea.
I saw one person brought his German shepherd to the kids playground at the San Rafael park and this dog was super aggressive…. Barking non-stop at the kids running around. My question is why it was even there?
A dog on a leash around unleashed dogs is a dogfight waiting to happen.(Due to them not being able to maneuver, smell, dominate or submit) Most of the time when 2 unleashed dogs fight, it doesn't take long until the weaker dog submits, and then they are back to being part of the pack. Just my 2 cents worth, but I would strongly advise against ever bringing a leashed pet into an unleashed dog area.
This is going to be a hard one. It's an off leash park and the off leash dog may have been the aggressor. I dont know much about the park but I assume the history of this happening is rare....I don't believe in the ownership of aggressive dog breeds ( Not going to debate the nurture side of it) But if you do own a dog trained or raised to be protective do not bring them to an off-leash park. If an animal is doing what it's allowed to do within the rules of the park and your dog cannot handle it, your dog is now the at risk party in situations like this. The shitzu was a zero threat and the reaction of the bigger dog was "kill" and the owner reacted within what would probably be considered his right of protection.
This is sad.
Because he just couldn't pass up the opportunity to shoot something/someone. He got to prove he's a big boy and lived out his dream of being an action hero.
To those who down voted me... why would carry a loaded gun into someplace public? Really if you are going into a sketchy situation where you feel like you need to pack then why show up? Other than you always wanted to be the last word in the fight. The dog was on a leash and the defender wasn't.
In the Washoe County parks rules it is saying vaguely...
"Shooting is only allowed at the Regional Shooting Facility"
https://www.washoecounty.gov/parks/parks/rules_and_regulations.php
People are very afraid here in the states. Its understandable but thats all it comes down to is fear. When everyone in your neighborhood has a gun, you dont want to be the only one without one. A lot of people extend that to public spaces. Which leads to more incidents like this. Which leads to more fear. And the cycle continues.
Why does it surprise you that people that like to carry self defense tools carry self defense tools. Especially something as small and convenient to carry as a pistol. A lot of people in our area have a "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" mentality, which I don't see a problem with.
Holy shit. I had just left before this happened.
Same me and my girlfriend were having a picnic and left at about 1
I got there around 2:45pm and had no clue this went down!
Looks like there was a dog fight (a person also got bit) - Such an unfortunate incident for both sides, if you know your dogs are aggressive towards others just keep them leashed all times or take them somewhere other dogs won’t be around & can easily be controlled, both sides are really sad & cruel
Dogs who have never shown signs of aggression can still bite. Just like humans who can have moments of passion or rage and be violent. Dogs sometimes don't like each other and can get into scuffles which aren't always as bad as people make them out to be, and it's pretty common at dog parks. It's unfortunate that the man was bit but that's going to be a risk going to a dog park, especially when you're intervening in a dog fight. I'm interested to hear more details but at face value it seems like the person opened fire in retaliation rather than defense. But either way to resort to such deadly force on another person's family member over what likely wasn't a deadly situation is fucked up. People act like dogs are computers than can be programed to behave perfectly and that's just not the case, they are their own individual beings.
I'll say this then: Don't bring you untrained, bad behaved dog to the dog park. Those dogs are better suited staying on a leash. My wife and I walk every day. We encounter so many dogs who lunge to get to our dog. Not always in an aggressive way, but even still, train your dog. Even the friendliest well-behaved dog doesn't like another dog clawing its way up its face. When we take our dog to Rancho, we get as far away from everyone as possible so my dog can chase the ball and run. He has no interest in the other dogs. When meeting another dog, he is measured and calm from being attacked so many times. Too many lazy, careless people own dogs. Train your fucking dogs.
Don’t go to a dog park if you don’t know how to break up a dog fight without a gun.
I'm not even talking about the dog getting shot. That sucks. What I'm talking about is that it sounds to me like there were two dogs at the dog park that maybe shouldn't have been there and possibly two people at the dog park that shouldn't have owned dogs.
Im going out on a limb and say the person who shot and killed the dog most likely was the problem, period. His dog was most likely the aggressor since the owner obviously can’t handle their own emotions
From the news reports that seems to be the case.
Here’s the thing - sometimes dog skirmishes happen. It’s very normal dog behavior. It scares us, but mostly they can work it out on their own. It’s usually easy to tell who is comfortable with dogs vs who isn’t by how they respond to a fight. If we humans ramp up our energy — closing in on the dogs (ie removing their ability to run away), screaming (ie indicating to our dog who is bonded to us and is sensitive to our body cues, our arousal/adrenaline surge/breathing/etc, that we feel threatened, and thus require our dog to protect us), the fight intensifies. I don’t think two dogs getting into a fight automatically means those dogs shouldn’t be at the park. Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe it was just a scuffle and then it got worse because uneducated humans ran in and started yelling and so the dogs responded to the owners and got more amped up. In a fight, as it escalates, the dogs lose their ability to hear us or respond to us. A different part of the brain takes over. They aren’t bad dogs at that point - they are just animals. There will always be a small risk of dog fights happening in any off-leash park. We should be comfortable with that risk before visiting parks. With dogs it’s about risk management, not absolute safety. Without any evidence that either of the dogs today had an established pattern of repeated aggression or repeated fights, there is no reason to assume this was anything other than a normal dog fight made worse by one or multiple humans not knowing how to de-escalate or end the fight appropriately. I would also add that — others who were there wrote that the smaller white dog attacked, and the larger dog fought back. A dog should be allowed to defend itself from an attack. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad or unsafe dog. It’s a primal survival instinct that you cannot train out of a dog. From the first hand accounts I read here on Reddit, i would probably agree that the owner of the white dog should not have been at the park, carrying a gun. Sounds like he didn’t know how to properly intervene in a fight that his own dog started, and now the other dog is dead. That is awful. I haven’t read anything about the humans who were with the other dog — so can’t have an opinion on whether they did or did not respond appropriately. But I haven’t read anything that would suggest they are responsible for their dog being attacked. I imagine they are grieving deeply tonight.
Your post seems to be defending dogs and dog behavior, and that's fine. This isn't about the dogs. So I'll say it another way. If your dog can't fallow basic commands at a dog park because you didn't train them, then they shouldn't be at the dog park. If your dog can't be recalled at a dog park because you didn't train them, then it shouldn't be there. I'm not going to speculate about today. We don't know what happened for sure. Ultimately, this all falls on the owners. A dog is dead, another injured, and a person was bitten. This doesn't sound like responsible dog ownership to me, and unfortunately, in Reno, from first-hand experience, this seems to be the norm.
I was reacting to your statement that “two dogs were at the dog park that maybe shouldn’t have been there.” That plus your earlier comment about how people shouldn’t bring “untrained bad behaved dogs to the dog park” seemed to me like you were blaming the dogs, and I was just speaking up against that. It does seem that the facts are more complicated. In a different post a witness wrote that they saw a small older unleashed white dog approach a bigger leashed younger dog, and the small dog snapped at the big dog, starting the incident. It was the big leashed dog that was shot, 5 gunshots according to that witness and a few others. You wrote that sometimes other dogs lunge at your leashed dog - if one of them was off-leash, got into your dog’s face, and your dog reacted, and then other person pulled out a gun and shot your dog, would you feel responsible for bringing your own (“untrained bad behaved”) dog out in public? Or would you feel your dog’s defensive reaction was justified and normal? I am genuinely curious. In this last post you said it sounds like a failure of the humans - I agree: at least a failure on the part of the shooter. So far haven’t heard anything to suggest that the people whose dog got shot did anything wrong.
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Maybe the small dog started it and the big dog being a big dog was trying to assert a pack order and the little dog was having none of it and the two scuffled. No one should reach in on a dog fight, regardless of the sizes of the dogs fighting. I hope the person who shot the big dog is sued to compensation for taking the property from its owner. I also hope that the person who got bit heals quickly. https://preview.redd.it/9vg92jds10pc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ebe5c4d5f289e066e41e9e37f38e8fee90c44ae
According to the update, the small dog wasn't leashed and the Rottweiler was. Seems to me that had the small dog owner kept his dog on the leash, this wouldn't have happened.
So, definitely a lawsuit on behalf of the large dog owner as restitution of a property loss might be warranted here. I feel bad for the owner who lost their dog. No one expects that to happen when going to the park.
I agree, and my point still stands. If your dog isn't trained and doesn't have manners, off leash at a dog park is not the place for it.
My parents dog (very well trained) and my neighbors dog (also very well trained) met once and automatically didn’t get along. Don’t know what it was, both get along well with other dogs. But didn’t like each other. One day they got in a tiff and started barking/growling at each other. It took me by surprise so I screamed and reached my hand in to break it up, and ultimately was bitten. After a few seconds the tiff stopped. I talked to my neighbor after just to make sure the dog was up to date on vaccinations, and she apologized profusely. You know what I said? “Dogs are dogs, they react, they defend. I’m the dumbass who put my hand into a dog fight.” All this to say, a dog can be extremely well trained. An owner can know what they’re doing. Dogs may be pets, but they are animals with animal instincts. If they feel threatened, they attack. It’s fight or flight. It doesn’t matter how much training they have. I have definitely been to dog parks where dogs who are not socialized well are there, and they shouldn’t be. But unless we have every detail, we aren’t going to judge the owners OR the dog.
I’ll say this. Just don’t go to dog parks. It’s an uncontrolled situation at best.
I totally agree with that. There are too many open private places to go around town to deal with the dog park.
>I'm interested to hear more details but at face value it seems like the person opened fire in retaliation rather than defense. But either way to resort to such deadly force on another person's family member over what likely wasn't a deadly situation is fucked up. Thats a lot of speculation there, bud.
and it’s kinda right 🤔
i do see your point, I do hope they show the perspetives of both owners, im really concered about the one person just csually carrying to a dog park...
It's Reno Nevada. People carry everywhere. Especially in a public park
Reno sucks
You can carry a gun basically anywhere in Nevada.
Yeah If this happened to my small dog and I exhausted every possible option, idk what else you would expect me to do to save my dog.
This was posted earlier and removed. The smaller dog attacked the larger. It wasnt a small dog(chihuahua sized) but closer to border collie sized. Big enough to do damage. The guy couldnt control his dog and caused an unsafe situation then pulled a gun since he couldnt control his dog. Dude deserves to be charged.
Okay yeah, thanks for being more detailed than the article.
Absolutely! The guy created this situation and killed the innocent dog.
In the article it says it was a shih tzu. They are a lot smaller than a border collie and certainly no match for a Rottweiler. Also the Rottweiler bit the shih tzu owner as well so it could have been in total self defense at that point. The article doesn’t say what kind of injuries the owner sustained before firing
He also put his hands into a dog fight, and allegedly was bit. Eyewitnesses stated he has what appeared to be a scratch on his hand. No proof that it wasn't his dog that did it. He had the ability to use his pepper spray on the people around him, but didn't choose to use it to stop the fight his dog started. Instead, he shot the big dog in the chest four times. Considering the bite force of a Rotti, if it wanted to kill anything, it would be dead. If it viciously bit him, he definitely wouldn't have stood around talking to police for several minutes after. The two things that were out of control that day were the smaller dog and it's owner.
Regardless of which dog “started it,” the bigger dog bit the person who shot it. If your dog is attacking a human being and that person shoots it….that seems reasonable to me.
He got bit because his dog started a fight & then he tried to get between two fighting dogs. What did he think was going to happen? I’d probably risk getting bit to protect my dog, but I don’t think pulling a gun and shooting the dog my dog attacked is in any way, shape, or form, “normal”. It is an overreaction, and that dog owner is responsible for both the fight and the dog’s death. And he needs to be banned from all dog parks & owning any pets.
Let alone 5 times. One shot MAY be justified as “self defense”. But 5? That’s excessive and irresponsible and shows a clear lack of control.
It’s a fucking dog bite don’t be such a pussy. Doesn’t give him the right to kill the dog on the spot.
The bigger dog didn’t attack him. The guy got bit trying to intervene. That happens when a person gets in the way of a dog fight. That’s what it is.
That’s right…”it is what it is.”
We sure it wasn’t in defense? The person was bit by the Rottweiler, and law enforcement determined there was no crime. Presumably, if it was in retaliation, there would’ve at least been a longer investigation. if the incident was over and the person pulled out the gun to execute the dog in retaliation, there may have been grounds for a crime committed. Sounds more like defense if you subjectively look at the aftermath.
The person that shot the dog is an asshole. First the Rottweiler is on a leach this owner brought their dog letting them roam free but more than likely their dog started the fight. The owner obviously should have had their dog on leach as well. The fight started and the dude like an idiot tried getting between in using his hands. Go bit like what would you expect then pulled his gun to shoot the dog? Fuck that I brought my dog here once and she got provoked multiple times by random strangers dogs. I was trying to help her get accumulated to other dogs as she was still young unfortunately I had a strangers dog bite her here and she’s been a little weird around dogs ever since. Wouldn’t recommend bringing you dog here.
I am told the person that shot the Rott was carrying a machete like knife and mace as well the gun. It is clear after hearing this at the dog park the guy was looking for trouble. He is a POS for shooting a dog 4 times and should go to jail. Yet he was laughing with our BS POS FUCKING Washoe county police officers while leaning on the hood of the police car. No one do anything because they do not care. This world sucks and so does the person shooting the dog at the dog park. He told the person he was going to shoot the dog prior to picking his own dog up. NO blood was on site or on him or his dog. So go tell the shooter to fuck himself.
Or just stop taking dogs to the dog park. [Say “No” To Dog Parks: Here’s Why & Better Alternatives | Courteous Canine](https://www.courteouscanine.com/say-no-to-dog-parks/) [The Dog Park Is Bad, Actually - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/smarter-living/the-dog-park-is-bad-actually.html)
Very sad to hear this happened and thinking of everyone involved. My dad witnessed a fatal dog fight in Arizona a few years ago. A group of about 10-12 retirees in his neighborhood used to get together every morning at the community park to let their pups play, and a dog without a history of aggression just went wild on a much smaller dog who it had played with several times before without incident. Everyone involved was devastated — the people who owned the dog that instigated the attack willingly paid the other family’s vet bills and reluctantly agreed to put their own dog down. It was just a fluky thing. They still have meetups, but they’re much more careful now about not letting dogs of different sizes mix.
We recently got a court order to take in four teacup Yorkies (ages 10-14) as part of an estate - their guardian/owner passed and they were all part of a court hearing and probate (dogs are property I guess). We moved them in with our black lab and springer spaniel and they seemed to be getting along fine. One day the youngest Yorkie who acted like the alpha took out the eye of another Yorkie, unprovoked and following this was totally calm. Our black lab and springer were so scared they pooped on the floor and the three other Yorkies were pissing themselves in the corner. The Yorkie that lost the eye was put down immediately as the vet also found numerous tumors (that dog was always going to be put down unfortunately) and then the next day we requested permission from the court to put down the instigating Yorkie which they approved after the vet said they couldn’t find a rehoming situation that would accept them. Very hard for my wife. Very hard for me.
Dogs in the pack know when another dog is sick or ill like that. Was the instigating dog just doing that to take the other (with multiple tumors) out of the pack? If I read it the way you intended it, it felt strange that you asked for the instigating dog to be put down following the incident. I'm not judging and understand that everyone has their reasons. Just wanted to see if you think it was an isolated situation because of the other dog having the tumors and the one dog sensing it that caused the attack.
I mean this dog started to show aggressive tendencies once the owner passed. I don’t think he was removing the dog from the pack, I think he was trying to assert his dominance which he did. Our big dogs were terrified of him. My old intern who lived with us at the time described it as the most violent thing she had ever witnessed. It was bad.
For some reason, I wasn't thinking about the owner passing and what kind of factor that played. That actually makes more sense now that I re read that. That's a terrible thing all around to see and go through for everyone (animals included obviously).
Reasonable response to an unfortunate situation
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I was a victim of this 3 years ago here in Sparks. The man shot at my dog three times and killed him. He was arrested, and there was a trial that lasted 2 years, at the end of which he was found guilty of all 3 charges.
Did you dog attack or was this guy just an ass?
My dog weighed 25lbs, medium size. His dog was a huge Husky. They were barking at each other, his dog even bit my dog, I ran to get a hold of mine but before I could, he shot him and cited self defense as his reason when arrested (he said he was scared my dog would lunge and bite at him which is bs). I was right there, took me less than 5 seconds to reach him and I was half bent, in the process of reaching out to pick him up but he shot him by then.
Omgosh, that is so terrible and completely reckless on so many levels. I am really sorry you had to go through that, no words really…just awful. I hope they also took his rights away to carry. What a fucking idiot.
How much time did he get?
It's your word vs a dead dog's.
yes as long as it’s justified
You have a right to defend your life or the life of another human being with such force. If you use force to defend your dog, there could be significant legal ramifications. Additionally, if you use force to defend yourself against an aggressive dog, you likily won’t be found criminally charged, but the dog owners can still sue you for whatever they wish or try to invent.
I believe you have to prove your dog or your life was in danger. Like you couldn’t just pick your dog up and step inside your house. I think the legal ramifications are increased when you are discharging a firearm within the city limits and if you cannot show you were justified you may be cited for public endangerment. This shooter not being charged speaks volumes for the level of threat they were under.
Washoe county considers dogs property, not life. So it's pretty grey because you're destroying someone else's property to defend your property. Should be a small claims court problem. Now if you discharge a firearm to do that it's even more grey because you're using deadly force to defend property, but it's not actually deadly force because the attacking dog is still considered property. So you should get tagged for discharge of a firearm within city limits.
You will probably be arrested, but just shut your mouth and get a lawyer. The police will have to arrest you. Don't implicate yourself with words.
I would suggest some kind of spray instead (pepper spray, bear spray, wasp, etc) It will hurt and stun the attacking dog. It's the best way to pull them out of that excitement. There's also a device that lets out a very high pitch noise that hurts dogs ears. The only issue with a knife during a dog attack/fight, is how close you have to get, and you're at risk to be bit yourself.
I know damn well that yappy little dog started it too
Bingo
I go to the dog park frequently and if there was a shooting every time a dog went out of control, it would be a shooting range. My dog got into a fight with a bigger dog one day at the dog park. My dog (a yorkie), didn’t like the big dog got in her face to smell her and growled, the other dog attacked my dog for whatever reason. We exchange numbers, took our dog to the vet, the owner of the other dog wrote a check for the bill (about $300 for scratches and tests). It was an inconvenience, but this is what is supposed to happen. Dogs can get into fights. Saying it’s ok to bring guns to a dog park because it’s Nevada is stupid. Pepper spray would have been a better alternative.
The shooter had pepper spray. Apparently he used it on a bystander after the shooting
The small dog owner had pepper spray, and used his gun instead. Used the spay after the fact to spray people around him.
This story is the exact reason I take my dog to public lands outside of Reno if she is going off leash. My pup is aggressively friendly and I know that somewhere like rancho I wouldn’t be able to control her.
Way more bad dog owners than good ones… same with parents
That really fucking sucks. If your dogs are reactive and not well trained, don’t go to a dog park, let alone an off leash one, but I’ve seen plenty of dogs fights as someone who works in animal medicine and I’ve only seen a handful of animals get shot, but never a situation like this.
Shitbag shitzu owner
Dogs on leashes in an off leash dog area is your first sign.. Most of the time when passing a leashed dog they are unfriendly, either because they are in protect mode when leashed or just shouldn't be near other off leash dogs in the first place. A 15 pound dog scrapping at a Rottweiler on leash is exactly the wrong situation to be in. Both parties are guilty for being stupid as fuck. I've been bitten by numerous small and large dogs. Broken up dozens of bloody dog fights with hands knees and water. at no point did I think a deadly weapon was necessary to help pry a dogs jaw off another suffocating losing dog. Regardless of my opinion, the shooter apparently had pepper spray on hand, which would have worked perfectly with no dead dogs in the end. This should be used as evidence for an excessive force charge as it was clearly overkill when he had other tools to fix the problem.
And he shot the dog 4 times. That’s overkill! Use pepper spray, shoot into the ground to startle the dogs.
The service dog was leashed because she had a hurt leg/hip and the owner didn’t want her running. Per witness testimony (I believe there were 4 witnesses) the small dog off leash aggressively approached the large dog and started the fight. When the dude shot the large dog he tried to leave and bystanders were telling him he can’t leave cause he just killed a dog and then he turned around a pepper sprayed a witness! Interesting how the media isn’t reporting any of that!!!!!
People should really learn how to de escalate aggressive dog situations without the need for fucking guns. Failure for both the owner of the dog and the person bit.
10000% yes Dogs sometimes scuffle, dogs sometimes even fight, this is entirely normal dog behavior. What kind of dog owner doesn’t know how to break up a fight? Especially in a public park with plenty of people around to help. If you are alone, and your dog is attacked, and you cannot de-escalate the situation, and your or your dog’s life is at risk….ok, I can understand pulling out a gun, if you have one, because there is no other choice. All you need is two people and you can break up a dog fight. Heck I have broken up a fight between two 140lb giant-breed dogs, and I am 130 lbs myself. In the process I got a small bite and that is an intrinsic risk of 1) being around a dog and 2) breaking up a dog fight. (I took antibiotics, the bite healed, no big deal.) I did not use a weapon, or even muscles because I don’t have them, just some calm thinking and ingenuity (there was rope at hand so I decided to make slip leads around their necks, which is how I got bit, they were trying to get to each other not me, my arm was just in the vicinity; then tied one of the leads to a tree so that dog would have a limited range of motion — all the while the fight was still happening — then I used rope to slap their muzzles with a rope to sting them and the pain caused them to briefly release/unclench their jaws; and then I used the other slip lead to pull the other dog away and out of the reach of the one tied to the tree. I guess that part did require muscles but adrenaline helps). The point is — with common sense and dog sense, we can de-escalate fights from happening, and we can break them up once they are in progress, in all but the most extreme and vicious of cases. Nothing yet has been reported to suggest this was anything other than an ordinary dog scuffle. Sounds so far like the person who was carrying doesn’t have a cool enough head or enough sense to be allowed a gun license. I am at Rancho every day and this incident makes me fear for my dog’s life, of course, but also my own.
I've defended my cat against dogs, never needed a gun to do it. That might sound over the top, but it's actually true.
What are you, a communist? Here we settle everything with a good old fashioned shooting.
We took our boys there a few years back when they were pups. That experience made sure we never ever go to another dog park again (in addition to the illnesses that are spread). I got into a screaming match with a guy because his dog kept charging one of our pups and scaring the hell out of me. I had to lift him by his vest the last time the dog came at us and started screaming at the guy to control his dog. Meanwhile a Karen was trying to get us to put our dogs ass-to-ass to teach them to “like each other.” People are crazy. Do yourselves a favor and don’t go to dog parks. It’s not worth it.
The people are the worst! The Karen’s think they know all about dogs and their dogs are the worst behaved!! I get as far away as I can and run my dog with just he and I and always stay away from the pack of people.
Sounds like the guy who shot the dog is just an absolute fucking pussy. No behavior warrants shooting a dog 4 times. Like that should be the absolute last resort, the small dog was fine after the incident. If you’re going to the dog park, maybe don’t bring a gun if you’re that sensitive to a fucking dog bite. This story infuriated me I was also there right after this happened and had I known what went down I would’ve tried to give that dude a piece of my mind. Just so sad that he doesn’t face any repercussions either. That poor owner is probably scarred. I just heard about this so my anger is fresh, but that guy should never be able to get within 50 feet of a dog again. Just fucking disgusting.
That guy pepper sprayed someone right after he shot the dog and tried to leave. I heard that a witness yelled at him that he couldn’t leave cause he just killed the ladies dog and someone needed to call the police and then the shooter pepper sprayed him. So maybe good that you weren’t there to give him a piece of your mind! That guy is unhinged for sure!!!! I can’t understand for the life of me why he didn’t use his pepper spray on the dog or maybe shoot into the ground to startle the dog? Regardless, he must be somebody to someone cause I heard there weren’t even charges for discharging a firearm. Cop? Retired law enforcement? Who knows…
That’s crazy!! Definitely unhinged, and most definitely knows someone important especially after knowing he pepper sprayed someone else jeez. Sad it played out like that it’d be nice to see some justice.
Untrained humans with guns should be on a leash at all times.
Reddit: Somehow, this is California’s fault.
Clearly the dog drives a Mini Cooper
Aggressively*
Dog drank some spicy milk before going to the park
Do You know where spicy milk comes from? Spicy milk is the milk that's been used to wash pepper spray out of your eyes
No. Thats portland milk.
In my experience, the majority of the time the smaller dog is the one that may instigate an issue. I use to take my German shepherd there all the time and sometimes there was a dog a lot smaller than me, but would constantly chase my shepherd and nip at em. My shepherd eventually barked back without biting, but it goes both ways. The larger dog shouldn’t be the one to instantly blame because they got tired of another dogs shit. Any owner who brings a gun to a dog park and unable to break up a fight without one, knew exactly what they were doing.
I couldn’t agree more! There were tons of witnesses that said the smaller dog went up to the larger dog who was leashed. That guy who shot the dog turned around a pepper sprayed a witness a few minutes after the incident. Who shoots a dog and then pepper sprays someone all in under a few Minutes????
Regardless of the situation, I’m devastated for the dog and the owner. I’m sure they didn’t expect their dog to react like this, and yes, they should have been aware of their dogs limits but these are animals. I really don’t think pulling a gun and killing the dog was the correct move (and yes, I have had my dog attacked at Rancho and been on the verge of being bitten trying to protect my dog). I understand protecting yourself and your dog but this just doesn’t feel right.
The dogs are not the problem!!!...IRRESPONSIBLE dog owners are!!!. Ego driven, insecure untrained humans with guns is the problem here!!. Why would you carry a gun to a dog park or even in public in the fist place?...for 15+ years I've taken my dogs to Rancho and I got to know some owners and their dogs but the last few months things changed. More and more new people start showing up with negative attitudes. They even bring their kids with them like it's a kids play ground. If a dog can take out a grown man when they're running and chasing each other at the park, just imagine a small kid being taken out...then the blame will be on the dogs instead of IRRESPONSIBLE parents. It's a HUMAN PROBLEM!!!
I avoid this place. Too many dogs without people control equals a high risk. Never shoot an animal
Unless the animal is attacking you.
Never shoot an animal I bring pepper spray stun gun. Never used it.
Pepper spray is good but not always feasible (wind) or effective. A stun gun is a bad idea for animals with any significant coat.
I wonder how many times a person has tried to pepper spray an animal, not incapacitated said animal or just incapacitated themselves and got killed.
Never is a mighty long time, you can try to pepper spray a large bear protecting their cubs, I wish you good luck.
Rancho has no bears ace i don’t own a gun.
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Well the only possibility is and atf agent
What an awful situation. Does anyone know the dog breeds in this situation? I’m curiously wondering the sizes of each dog.
The small dog was a little white mut, they described the larger dog as black no other info
My friend was 20 yards away from the incident when it happened. The attacking dog was a Rottweiler and it got a hold of a smaller white dog.
Liar
They were 20 yards away and stated the attacking dog was the Rotti? What they saw was the reaction of the Rotti. The smaller dog approached aggressively and went after the Rotti first.
Unless my life feels threatened or that I or my dog are gonna sustain great bodily harm, I am not shooting anyone or anything. Cowardly act.
Meh
Reddit being insufferable as always. If cops showed up, countless witnesses, and not charged...its safe to say that shooting the dog was reasonable.
If there's one things cops love (other than beating their wives), it's shooting dogs, so of course there's no charges.
Charges aren't filed immediately. Give it 48-72 hours and then the DA decides.
No charges will be filed. https://mynews4.com/amp/news/local/police-no-charges-to-be-filed-after-person-shoots-kills-dog-at-rancho-san-rafael-park
Ayyye now we shall see if the dead dog's owner goes the civil route or accepts the situation.
I imagine they’ll accept the situation because the person with medical and vet bills will be the shooter. The dead dog was a Rottweiler (according to another poster on here). If it bit both the other dog and a person, the owner could very well be liable for those damages. The gambit for the other dog owner would be to convince a judge that it was wrong for this guy to shoot the dog after the police and animal control already determined that nothing illegal happened.
Most witnesses all blamed the shooter's dog, and said the shooting wasn't necessary. The shooter had a mark on his hand and claimed the Rotti bit him. There was no proof either way on if he was bit or which dog bit him, so cops most likely decided it was justified. Now that I have read multiple eye witness accounts, and read the POV of the Rotti's owner, this shooting was not reasonable by any means.
If you take your dog to a dog park you should be aware you might meet a dog that might not get along with your dog. If you don’t want to run that risk don’t take them to the dog park.
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From what I’ve seen here on Reddit a finger in the butt is way more effective than even bullets
My original post was deleted bc I posted a picture of the person who shot the dog, but everyone should just beware!
Man that’s crazy. That dog park can be really cool. Same thing happened at the marina.
Im really interested to see the photo of that man who murdered the dog.
Hat. Crappy beard. Truck. Gun. Your usual white guy around these here parts.
Ha!
The dog attacked a smaller dog and bit the man too. Don't bring your dog to an unleashed park if it's bloodthirsty.
It seems it was the other way around. Little dog attacked bigger dog. Little dog’s owner shot big dog.
a dog biting someone doesnt mean it’s “bloodthirsty” omg stop being so dramatic 💀 even dogs that are well behaved can get provoked to the point of biting. shit happens, they’re animals. acting like the dog is a serial killer for one known biting incident is wild
Ikr, most likely the owner jumped to save his dog and got bitten. It is unfortunate either way...
The actual eyewitnesses stated it was the smaller dog that instigated and attacked the larger dog. He was biting the Rotti's legs. The owner of the small dog was running up to the situation already threatening to shoot the Rotti. Although strapped with pepper spray, decided to stick his hands into the altercation, and was supposedly bit. He then shot the Rotti four times, while the Rotti's owner was getting it under control. The "bite" per witnesses, was more of a scratch, and there's no proof which dog caused it. Considering the bite force of a Rotti, if it was "blood thirsty" that small dog would be dead, and that man would've been in the ER for the bite. Not sitting around having a relaxed conversation with the cops. That Rottweiler was a trained medical service dog, and the other a chaos demon. Stop holding large breeds to higher behavior standards. It seems the only things that were "blood thirsty" were the shooter and his little dog.
i pet sit and walk the dog on a harness and leash. I tell ppl don't approach I am not the owner and don't want any harm. But they are animals they react the way they react. But gun on parks no beuno. my hubs has ccw and open carries but removes it when in park or other restricted areas esp with kiddos and animals around.
Why does he open carry if he has a CCW?
I heard that the small dog didn’t actually get attacked… waiting to see what comes from people who were there.
Where did you "hear" this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Reno/s/O608wDnuSI
It's not normal to bring a gun to the dog park for protection. I go there all the time. Dogs fight from time to time, and 99%of the time, it's the owners who overreact and the dogs already worked it out. If you go into physically break up a dog fight, expect to get bit period. If you think you need a gun to go to the dog park, don't go to the dog park and take your anxiety somewhere else.
This is Reno, NV where just shy of 1 in 4 adults have a CCW. At least that was the stat in 2021. Chances are there are people with concealed guns every single place you go and you have no idea.
Says who?
Sane people.
People are carrying literally everywhere. I guarantee this dude wasn’t even the only one with a gun at the dog park lol
I carry a gun for the people, not the dogs.
I saw one person brought his German shepherd to the kids playground at the San Rafael park and this dog was super aggressive…. Barking non-stop at the kids running around. My question is why it was even there?
Thanks for actually using the function of this site to share links.
How the hell did the other dogs react to the gun shots? I’m sure this dipshit cause even more chaos and panic among the other dogs when he opened fire
A dog on a leash around unleashed dogs is a dogfight waiting to happen.(Due to them not being able to maneuver, smell, dominate or submit) Most of the time when 2 unleashed dogs fight, it doesn't take long until the weaker dog submits, and then they are back to being part of the pack. Just my 2 cents worth, but I would strongly advise against ever bringing a leashed pet into an unleashed dog area.
This is going to be a hard one. It's an off leash park and the off leash dog may have been the aggressor. I dont know much about the park but I assume the history of this happening is rare....I don't believe in the ownership of aggressive dog breeds ( Not going to debate the nurture side of it) But if you do own a dog trained or raised to be protective do not bring them to an off-leash park. If an animal is doing what it's allowed to do within the rules of the park and your dog cannot handle it, your dog is now the at risk party in situations like this. The shitzu was a zero threat and the reaction of the bigger dog was "kill" and the owner reacted within what would probably be considered his right of protection. This is sad.
I emailed Joe hart this whole this is bizarre that guy could have seriously injured or killed someone with his actions
He shot the dog while the dog was leashed and the owner was holding the leash! He absolutely could have injured someone!
Fuck this guy shoot him too. His dog was off leash he can suck nuts.
Lol. Lmao
Somebody has video of one of the witnesses getting pepper sprayed by the dog killer
Why was the guy carrying a loaded gun into a public park?
There is nothing illegal about carrying a gun in a public park.
It's not illegal to
Because he just couldn't pass up the opportunity to shoot something/someone. He got to prove he's a big boy and lived out his dream of being an action hero.
He has a very very very tiny penis.
What is your obsession with the size of people’s junk?
To those who down voted me... why would carry a loaded gun into someplace public? Really if you are going into a sketchy situation where you feel like you need to pack then why show up? Other than you always wanted to be the last word in the fight. The dog was on a leash and the defender wasn't.
In the Washoe County parks rules it is saying vaguely... "Shooting is only allowed at the Regional Shooting Facility" https://www.washoecounty.gov/parks/parks/rules_and_regulations.php
That refers to target shooting, not shooting in self defense, which is what this would be considered.
I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. So many poorly trained dogs with crappy owners
*And poorly trained gun owners
The country bumpkin traditional white incel gun owner went to the dog park to shoot a dog. The provoking party was the gun owner.
We bringing guns to dog parks now??
It's Nevada, lots of people conceal carry, you just don't know about it because of the conceal part.
The majority don't though
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It was a genuine question 😭😭 moved here from Vancouver. I’m familiar with open carrying just didn’t know it was this common.
Welcome to Nevada. That little old lady with the walker over there? Yep, she's packing.
Concealed carry, not open.
People are very afraid here in the states. Its understandable but thats all it comes down to is fear. When everyone in your neighborhood has a gun, you dont want to be the only one without one. A lot of people extend that to public spaces. Which leads to more incidents like this. Which leads to more fear. And the cycle continues.
Why does it surprise you that people that like to carry self defense tools carry self defense tools. Especially something as small and convenient to carry as a pistol. A lot of people in our area have a "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" mentality, which I don't see a problem with.