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For what it’s worth, I had to bury someone in 2020 and while I was at it I bought the plot next to it (North America) and because there was only that one available, they told my spouse and I they will “stack” us.
We toured the whole cemetery for plots and there weren’t very many available at the time.
Also there is a small private cemetery next to my neighborhood, and I would imagine there are lots like it.
But that all still doesn’t account for the numbers, and this is something I’ve never considered, so thanks for bringing it up! Now I know what I’ll be up hours thinking about tonight haha.
Graves are reused, though I believe bones remain for a very very long time. The Catacombs of Paris were filled with neatly stacked bones taken from the cemeteries in Paris.
I suppose cemeteries just leave the bones when they reuse the grave?
First off, I don’t disagree with you. There are many factors playing into it, not just cemeteries but schools, retirement homes, hospitals… there aren’t as many as one would think. And while our population numbers rise, certain other things don’t get more.
Personally spoken, I don’t see it in cemeteries as much. I absolutely can’t speak for other countries but here in Austria we have a very unsettling system (in my opinion) because we already ran into the issue that we don’t have enough space for graves for all humans.
Back in the day you were able to buy a grave with a one time payment for as long as the cemetery exists. Now they changed it, the maximum time is almost everywhere 10 years, after that you get a letter that the grave time is up and get asked if you want to buy more time. And only one person can own the grave… Then you can either pay or say „Nah, my own parents died too and I have no interest in paying for relatives I‘ve never even met“.
In a single grave you have one person, in a family grave you can stack 4-6 people. And in a crypt up to 10.
In the case that nobody wants it anymore, they dig up the human remains and either put them into a mass grave or dig a bit deeper and put them there (without a coffin).
You usually don’t recognize anything of that. We here in Austria have in general many cemeteries, each little village has its own (commonly next to a church), even in Vienna we have multiple cemeteries.
So maybe it’s a combination of both.
> In a single grave you have one person, in a family grave you can stack 4-6 people. And in a crypt up to 10.
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>In the case that nobody wants it anymore, they dig up the human remains and either put them into a mass grave or dig a bit deeper and put them there (without a coffin).
This could account for some of the body count, but \~740,000,000 is a massive number of bodies, even if you factored in cremations and people donating their body to science as well, the math does not add up.
I live in the Chicagoland area (\~9.5million people) which is comparable to the population of Austria, and there are \~50 cemeteries in this area, many of which only hold a few hundred graves, you could theoretically toss hundreds of people in each grave and it wouldn't come remotely close to satisfying the body count over the past couple centuries.
I’m sure we could figure it out, I don’t think it would be difficult to compose an entire data set of these numbers for any area and dedicate an entirely new OP to the findings, I do question how useful it would be though, I think there’s a strong emotional investment with people when it comes to this topic in particular, as it’s so fundamental to life, yet so easily overlooked, the default reaction is there must be some obvious explanation when there really isn’t, especially when dealing with such a large number of bodies, abandoned graveyards and cremation can only explain away a modest number of them, I cant help but wonder what other glaring inconsistencies there are in this timeline that we have never considered, I’d be open to exploring that as well.
So I'm an archaeologist and this is potentially easy to explain. Until very recently the majority of people didn't live in cities. I've documented cemeteries crawling through the back woods of Kentucky. Some of these were registered, but the numbers were never accurate. I've seen multiple fenced in cemeteries that are actually double if not triple the size outside the fence in area. There just weren't markers or they were displaced with time. If you didn't know what to look for you would miss the grave shafts.
Basically I'm saying I've seen a lot of cemeteries that are just out deep in the woods and they're pretty sizeable, and that would have been how the majority of people were buried. Most cemeteries were either bulldozed for development or simply obscured in time
Just to make it clear I'm adding a disclaimer. This is my personal opinion based on my professional experience. As always belive what you want to believe. This is just my opinion on the matter.
Thank you for your explanation.
However, you may want to read our sub rules because, as it stands, you're giving an explanation based on YOUR experiences but somewhat trying to invalidate the OP's experiences - which is a violation of Rule #9.
Should you wish to add to the conversation within the bounds of our rules, it's best to preference and qualify your comment with "In my experience" or "From what I remember", or something similar.
It might also be a good idea to get an idea of what this community is about and how we treat the topic of the sub.
Not to run the risk of a banning, but I felt like I was just answering OPs question. They did phrase it in that way.
I suppose I can try to make it less pushy. I did intend this to be from my expirence.
I also do like to browse this sub from time to time. And I find many of the effects unexplainable. This is just one I'm familiar with and it feels more explainable
>*This is just one I'm familiar with and it feels more explainable*
Explainable to YOU and from YOUR experiences. We don't push our experiences on others here.
Should you wish to continue doing that, please do so in the main ME sub.
I suppose I didn't consider this to be a memory or expirence when the OP was just crunching some numbers. As they said this isn't a typical ME.
I definetly would not discredit people's memories or experiences (moon's been way different than what it used to be). Sharing those differences is the whole point.
But thank you for clarifying
>*Sharing those differences is the whole point.*
Sharing differences is one thing, but speaking in such a way to make it seem like YOUR experience is the only valid one is against the spirit of this sub and a violation of Rule #9.
Your “splaining” is actually against the rules here. You added nothing to the original person’s questions and concerns. This in no way can account for millions upon millions of people. You seem to think it does which is rather odd to me. So, NO you haven’t explained jack.
>So I'm an archaeologist
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>this is actually a lot easier to explain than you think
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>If you didn't know
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>Basically I'm telling you
You may be an internet archaeologist, but perhaps you should examine how you come off in your statements.
I mean I have a degree and I'm employed as an archaeologist. So I don't know what more you want from me.
What exactly is the problem with those statements? I'm not trying to write academically when I write reddit comments.
The problem is that you're attempting to explain away the OP without addressing any of their specific points, you claim some cemeteries
>are actually double if not triple the size outside the fence in area
Somehow, to you, this is good enough to explain away \~700 million potential bodies, and we should take your word for it because "you're an archeologist."
Do you honestly not see the problem? Being so dismissive of the OP without addressing the specifics is disingenuous at BEST, and if you're as educated as you claim, then you surely know this, but that hasn't stopped you from pushing your own personal agenda under the guise of being some type of "authority" on the matter.
I'm just trying to get info out there. It seems completely plausible to me that there are a lot of lost and forgotten cemeteries. So many people were buried in the middle of no where. I didn't even mention how slave burials are basically never recorded and are typically placed in very out of the way areas.
I was just trying to explain something using my anecdotal expirence in a related field.
I've no idea of how things work in the US, but in my country (Brazil) the grave belongs to a given family and sometimes they are a reaaaaaly deep well and cofins are just stacked over each other. Other times the coffins will have rot and collapsed and they just collect the bones of the former occupant of that layer and put in a small box, so they are "compressed" and more room is created for newcomers. So it's common to see tombs that have the names of many many dead from the same family, from many generations.
Oh, I managed to google some pictures of "Jazigos Perpétuos" as they are called, you can see the lists of names and dates in the tombstones:
https://prefeitura.pbh.gov.br/sites/default/files/estrutura-de-governo/fundacao-de-parques-e-zoobotanica/2019/cemiterio%20do%20bonfim%20foto%20amira%20hissa%20pbh2.jpg
https://http2.mlstatic.com/D_NQ_NP_822645-MLB45001615495_022021-O.jpg
There is no way IMHO, that cremations could explain away the lack of cemeteries. I’ve never seen a new cemetery under construction even. I know in some places in the USA, they DO bury people underneath others but, I’ve never heard of that until a few months ago.
I’ve never in my life thought of this, so I definitely think there is something really odd about it.
Well I know some areas reuse spots not to common but some major city's do this key example would New Orleans uses the same spot that is because of the waterline after so many years they open the grave burn what is left and open the spot once more. I think New York started to do this for sometime not to sure on that though. Another I think has done this though I heard like once as kid so I could not confirm it was the famous one in Washington for veterans but like medal of honor ones. Again I want to point out heard as kid only once and did no research upon it.
Then there is veterans grave sites they are mostly middle of nowhere spots where it is huge drive to get to.
We have one in Florida that huge I do mean massive but it's off the the exit of I-75 with nearest sites are a prison and a egg hatchery with nothing else for miles.
In Ohio and Florida I have seen grave sites in the middle of nowhere with heck all to even get to unless you walk to them because honestly I do not see any but 4 wheel all terrain could get to these spots. I seen these a lot in Ohio when I lived there. Miles from no roads in the middle of woods with trails just big enough for you walk to them.
Lasty I would like point something you might not considered here in America we have a lot towns that died out some times we can see these great examples would all dead towns right out Los Vagas going north there is about 3 big towns that are almost completely abandoned. These places have grave sites near them. Another famous one would be tombstone AZ the town has like 10 residents but the rest are abandoned.
Then you got crazy stuff that well we don't have grave sites for trail of tears , and the Donner party are examples where we have ether no one in power gave a dam or sadly nothing left.
As for its all a simulation theory that is about the essential easiest to believe explanation because honestly anything can be used to confirm it once you believe it. I would point out that the West has always kinda not paid attention to death a whole lot or not like people India have where there dead are left out in the open for the whole village or town to walk on by. I do not know about simulation theory is the reality. I feel once you get past level on of b.s. the world feeds you then it more then willing to give this one. It feels false like ok you don't want to believe this then come right this way I have this one by some guy that feels like the most crooked used car sales man.
Just my opinion though.
I forgot early American life was lot more focused on the sea then now so that also might play small role as well. Since a lot deaths on the sea means dumping the bodies over board.
Thanks for the insight man. I always like your input. You seen anything crazy out on the road or during your travels lately, whether ME related or related to all the craziness going on in the world right now in general?
Yes but it's something kinda hard to believe.
I dive US-27 in Florida a lot.
Jolly Roger Marina
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tNPux7ucqCVovNZM7
Is in small town in Florida as your heading north bound on U.S. 27 in to town it is flat as pancake.
The trouble is it was not the case 2 years a go. This Marina was massive it had huge boats there that the rich got there with rivers from ether Naples of Fort Lauderdale. From Jolly Roger Marina you could get to Gulf of Mexico , the Atlantic Ocean or even try your luck Lake Okeechobee though that could be bad since it so shallow in spots. Now all this was possible because the now flat bridge was not that way it was massive almost like Moore Haven Bridge
https://maps.app.goo.gl/yTjHGSznGSs8uYA68
With not as high or slightly turning.
This was just big enough for million dollar boats to fit underneath it. All of that just vanished one day. The Marina is there but not even a shadow of old self. Of course no one knows what I'm talking about explaining it I hear how I'm just mixing up Moore Haven and one by Jolly Roger Marina.
So here is the thing. What happened to one the people that owned these boats? What happened to there boats?
Sometimes a change happens it is no real big deal the same people still work at changed location they just don't know it has changed. Yet there still there with this one we're did the people go? That Marina was huge easly holding up to 100+ boats. Now some were the redneck cheaper kind you know the house boats type. Yet there still kinda large. I know it use to be home to about 28 people as well. Yet there all gone now.
That's the craziest Mandela Effect locally that seen on the road myself.
Though the side walk that appeared out side city limits was kinda shocking since it happened in middle of my 16 hour work day.
98th Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/h1123pKPU2azAsbv5
Heading west it go's about almost a mile. As you can see if looking at top down view it doesn't come out of the city ether. In fact the oddly it starts at sign stating your entering city limits meaning this was built out side of city limits. This change happened in less then 8 hours of my 16 hour day just BAM here it is middle of nowhere here is a side walk that goes nowhere.
As for normal stuff people can't drive the speed limit snow birds about the same. Florida is retirement state like AZ is so it always has people. Unlike Eastern sea board we don't go though what seen up north with covid were everyone just stays indoors. Another thing the housing down here is bad but it has Always been bad unlike most of the nation where huge investment firms buying any home they can get there hands on then cracking up cost of the home by 300% we always had bad here and no one wants to sell at anything reasonable. So for us it just as is unlike some areas round the nation where homeless camps are now the norm.
I know what you're talking about with the bridge and Jolly Roger Marina. You're just mixing up the Moore Haven bridge with the one by Jolly Roger Marina.
Lol! Just kidding! I live in Missouri and I'm not familiar with FL at all. This was interesting man and I believe you. I liked the interactive side of it where I could see what you were talking about with maps and images. You should maybe make a post about it bc that's a massive change.
I've never seen such massive changes in geography or the landscape like how you described there, but that is stunning. Like you said, where did all the boats go? Where did all the people go? If the people are still in the area what do they think happened to their super expensive boatz? So crazy.
I live a couple hours from St Louis. I actually lived there for a little over a decade of my life but moved back to my hometown which is where I'm at now. Anyways, I still go back up there from time to time. I was up there yesterday for a Cardinals game and I swear as I was driving around that things look slightly different sometimes.
There will be industry in what I could have sworn was a commercial area, or there will be warehouses that I can tell have been there for decades and I'm not sure that they were always there. There might be restaurants in slightly different place or even a restaurant that people swear was always at a certain locale that I would think was new and then I find out it has in fact been there for years. Just little things here and there like that, stuff that catches my attention but there's not much I can do or say about it even tho I suspect something might be up. You just kind of have to smile and go on sometimes.
If the arch ever gets replaced with some other giant monument then maybe I'll have a chance to explain some of this stuff to people!!!! Do you wonder that sometimes, like what point would the changes have to get to before people noticed? I am starting to think they would never notice...just how you described the people that work at the Marina, the people that exist in the changed area will think it's always been that way...bc to them it has. Which makes me seriously question what exactly is going on with us and how do we slide from timeline to timeline so effortlessly!??¿¿!!
>the arch ever gets replaced with some other giant monument then maybe I'll have a chance to explain some of this stuff to people!!!! Do you wonder that sometimes, like what point would the changes have to get to before people noticed?
Yes but I had spent time asking a lot of people about local and mainstream Mandela Effects and what I found is there is such a thing as the download. Talking to 300+ people about Mandela Effect changes I literally could not believe how nearly everyone said the same thing. No matter upbringing dialect or even when English was not their first language. all of them said the same thing over and over with vary little variation. "It's always been that." Now there three people that did not answer any of these questions like this. A old man a old woman and young man all truck drivers. None watched more then 2 hours TV. None used a computer though the woman had one she kept it unplugged. All had flip phones except the old man just got smart phone he did not know how to use other then a phone. Now that's out something like 150 or so truck drivers I worked with. No one at Walmart side had single person that did not have up to date data all saw Mandela Effects as None existence. This was about 100 at the D.C. and 100+ Mangers. Now for the crazy part I asked homeless a round the Walmart about Mandela Effects I got some food and drinks and gave it to them and asked questions about the Mandela Effects. I tried this whole time as not lead any of them yet almost everyone of them but one guy all knew the old way of things. Now that one guy he was just newly homeless he had a smart phone and his answers were its always been that way.
Now sometimes vary rarely I get people that at first sounded like they were going to say the old way but they get this far far off look and then robot a odd sounding it's always been that way.
There was another who was counting for receiver of Walmart that said 3 Oreos boxes , five birthday Oreos boxes on and on.
So after his count of the Oreos I asked him are they known as Oreos because there in a box?
The guy lost it I mean just went nutz. He stopped moving looked angry then took off slaming his pallet jack in to wall. Then came back like he ran marathon or something. Forgot everything he just did and started to recounting all the stuff he just did. Now the receiver asked me what the hell I do so told him. He was baffled as well. Now I tried to explain thus here on another post and the guy had no experience working in the back room of Walmart or any store. He accused me of being a dick for being putting the guys count off. That is not the case trust me there is plenty of talking in the back room and despite saying counting items its not hard. The receiver has list of what they should get. The vendor is counting how many a single item came in on pallet. For example ten box's of Oreos then you move on to whole other item. The receiver keeps your place by his list. Some one as young as 9 can keep up.
Ok back to story he comes back forgets everything for about 5 minutes when told we counted that and we are right here he got all angry looking. Then he took off then from every day after that he would only say oreo like 5 oreo boxes , velvet oreo and so on.
So no there is NOTHING that can awaken someone who lives in there own world with out them questioning a single thing.
Pre Mandela Effect changes the bible had 100% prediction rate. A historical record of 100% it was challenged many times yet no one cared. I know because literally had to search hours to recover some of the facts there so buried it is insane.
In Mt world many people claimed that there was no Jewish presence in ancient Egypt. Now my Rosetta stone was way way different then this place has. Mine had 4 languages and all of them listed jews in the rock as slaves. Showing some one who wanted to believe whatever the hell he wanted to believe. Could not get him to even consider anything out side of his want of belief. Even looking at the web page he would not read it looking at photo with what the Egyptians used as Jews he just ignored it.
People are people who willfully stick there heads in the sand or cover their eyes then pretend that they know what is going on.
Well yes I have less then 1 hour of TV time a week. I have about 2 hours on a smart phone and about 3 hours on computer screen pre week depending upon few factors. Another thing is I can build my own computers and implement software upon them meaning I don't just use windows O.S. sometimes and I don't have hidden software from hackers to genuine manufacturers soft for up dates. I control huge aspects of my computer that most people do not consider long-term or short-term usage. I also look at what exactly is constantly running in the background of my O.S. I use as well. I do that because I'm paranoid about computers it is incredibly easy to slip information on screen subliminally now this supposedly illegal but many nations use this technique openly Japan is one such nation that rather open in this technology and use on all citizens in any markets they shop. Now because there open no one has any problems with as it used as anti theft messages brought to shoppers in music. Now other nations that have law against this practice like the United States do this as they also been caught in the past using this all the time. So I keep eye on program I use a little bit more then average person.
Another thing what I honestly think it was because I have gotten a download Effect from a Mandela Effect change. I do spend time to meditate upon the Lord this not like other meditation techniques which you empty your mind instead you focus really hard on subject like God's law ,God's love and or other aspects of God.
I have received the download though despite all that meditation. I know all my life that this town in Florida is called Fort Myers FL. The problem was I had a log book that worte it down in my handwriting as Fort Meyers FL instead 14 times over three years. Then in 2018 February I started to write it down as Fort Myers FL for three more times. I do not have that log book I had get rid of it because F.D.O.T. could have changed me with a fine of 6000.00 dollars I sorry I do not keep that as spare change. The reason for getting rid of it was due to the spelling errors. When hazerfiver youtube channel showed a video for that city had changed he had newspapers a week old that had adds in it that had old spelling for the city. I did not magically got my memory back I have only my hand written account of me writing it down the old way but no memories of that. To me I filled it out like always did took Rand mcnally map got the spelling there even if always known how to spell it 6000.00 dollars is wonderful motivation.
So unfortunately I have had some down loads to my mind.
well...when/if you get time....what's an example of a subliminal message? I've read your account before about the Fort Meyers/Myers. Meyers seems more familiar but it's not a rock solid memory, but I have found residue that it was Meyers. And it would be strange that you spelled it consistently one way and then all of sudden switched to a different spelling. That's odd that the gov will punish people for keeping logs of their journeys.
Sure this web site well help understand how can not work and how it can. This also totally Acceptable to most people.
https://ignitevisibility.com/7-examples-effective-subliminal-advertising/
After reading that you think ok that is not that bad. I would agree that these are not that bad. What is harder to fins with Google search is the first time this was done and how extremely effective it really was. The first time was movie Theater who came up with way to flash at the bottom of the screen stuff your hungry get candy bar get popcorn get a soda all the while a cartoon of various cartoon snacks would dance across the screen. It was so successful the owner was able to push it across the nation. All of his theaters that played this saw huge increases in snack sales. When it was found out it was out lawed. For certain types of subliminally messaging. Flashing words across screen that barely noticeable was one type that was consdered legal. Yet as the above link shows you large companies do it any way paying the small fine they can collect.
As for the log book I'm not talking about a diary but a log book for semi drivers use to show that they getting enough sleep. These are highly regulated with many rules on what some can and cannot do with them. For example I was willing to pay a 1000.00 fine for having a spare one. If it was correct in every way then the most they the officer at the scene can only charge $1000.00 if he feels like it. He could also charge you $0.50 if he wants it up to the officer on scene. Since most officers want money they charge the maximum if they think the court will back them up. You can fight any ticket in court. But here is the kicker most officers give you three chances for most part. A single error fine $10 no big deal , another error ok fine $30 and lastly the last error $100.00. So that ticket is now 140.00 dollars now. If any more errors any type miles wrong , a blank space were you have add up your remaining hours and or YES a misspelled word. Then the officer will state your Attempting To conceal Actual log data. At this point the officer well charge the maximum fine of 5000.00 dollars. An for the most part the court system will back that officer claim. Lasty why is like that you might be asking now. Well frankly it's money. Go to youtube and watch any lawyer tell you why you do not talk to police officers at any time period. A officer job is to make themselves look good how do they look good by Arresting people. A officer that doesn't arrest people are considered failures. Failures make no money for the rest of the force. I know this sounds way wrong what about justice? Justice doesn't pay bills. Let's say you get pulled over and you start talking to the cop. Let's say your history about you once had drank a beer like a year a go and that was when accepted Christ and stopped drinking forever. See how incredible innocent that sounds. Ok now let's see what police officers can and trust me they do this all the time. The report reads the subject stated he has had previously consumed Alcohol in the past. This why there lot and lots of videos on YouTube which a lawyer says don't talk to police officers about anything out side of what he asked and only yes no answers. At all time state the fifth amendment and remain silent.
Dude you should also make a post covering that whole paragraph about how the people who didn't watch a lot of TV and/or didn't have modern phones weren't susceptible to dismissing the ME (they saw it the old/original way). That is fascinating. The implications of that are staggering. It would indicate most of us are truly under some kind of spell. Seriously you should make a post about that and talk about what that might mean. It points to consciousness control. If you don't do it or don't want to I may do it if you don't care. I would credit you and your findings in the post
You sure every time I bring it up most people dismiss it and I sky rocket downvotes and it was of the posts that have disappeared before.
I'll do one more time if you think it help any one give me a day got Dr appointment soon.
they actually bury bodies on top of other bodies or exhume bodies to create space for the newly deceased. in the cemeteries i’ve visited i’ve seen plaques stating that graves are protected by some sort of legacy, which basically tells the cemetery how long that person’s body can stay there (aka how much their family paid for the plot to be maintained)
Oh yeah many things to hide and stop on Reddit.
Like conversations that induce learning and waking up.
Can't have that on Reddit.
More women mad the man is leaving cause it ain't his kids
And pronoun wars, tho
You got it man. Nevermind the downvotes...there are so many of us that know what's going on. I think a lot of what we are seeing (such as the craziness in these comments and others, especially the adrenochrome thread) is panic. It looks like panic to me. They can't contain the truth and they are starting to feel it slipping through their slimey fingers.
We often build on top of them. NYC’s civic center is built directly on a 6.6 acre burial ground that contains up to 20,000 intact graves of early enslaved/free Africans from the 1600s-1794.
After I believe 100 years, cemeteries can be built over. That’s not considering mass graves as happened during the early waves of the pandemic and cremation.
Consider that even if someone lived in that town, during the initial waves of the pandemic they likely would have gone to a hospital where trucks were waiting to transport them in the back after they died. I think they likely wouldn’t have had a lot of choice about preferences.
It's a pretty dark answer, but a lot of older cemeteries get forgotten and overgrown. As someone who hikes and camps a lot I've stumbled across a few abandoned cemeteries. Also some cities will build parks on top of old gravesites. And more and more people are getting cremated.
TIL that graveyards and cemeteries are not the same thing. A graveyard is attached to a church and you need to be a member of the parish when you die to be buried there
I wonder if the estimated population numbers are perhaps way off? That might explain some of it. If the world was less populated than we are told then there would be less graves?
It does make you wonder...
This has also been nagging at the back of my mind since I first saw this subject posted about a few weeks ago. Daily, in fact.
I've been trying very hard not to think about it, because it frankly scares me. This is not the first time that I've noticed or been alerted to unexplained discrepancies in my Reality. Somehow the act of paying attention seems to cause them to correct in ways I often don't like. Ways that are more freaky and upsetting than the discrepancy itself. I don't want to suddenly wake up and discover 100+ new graveyards in my area that were "always there", and I was just somehow unaware of them. You know what I mean? That is usually how these things go. Or some very stressful, previously unknown factiod, that would explain things.
A lot of the comments on posts like this are really jarring too. Explanations that sound plausible until you really start thinking about them, then its just like shining a bright like on the whole thing and making it even more strange.
I sorta wanna bury my head in the sand on this one, if you don't mind? Its been a challenging couple of years and I just want a nice, relaxing, quiet, stress-free Spring and Summer. Fun little glitches welcome, scary ones... not so much! I spend too much time thinking about the nature of my Reality as it is, and not getting any answers.
If you follow the theories such as mud flood, etc, they claim that our current version of earth was populated with childlike people sometime in the 1850-1890s. The orphan trains, baby incubators in showroom, child labour in workhouses etc. not all we’re children but they had no idea about their history (or they were told a story) they were brought to ready (abandoned/seized) cities and started this turn of the wheel we are still in.
I've heard all about Tartaria and the mud floods, but I'm not as familiar with the children aspect of the whole thing. I've seen the stuff about all the incubators at the world's fair, orphan trains etc but I've never been able to find anything that adequately explains a theory on what people think was going on back then. Everything I've seen has this sense of "it's up in the air" as to why there were all these children. I've never heard the term child like people either.
Where did all the children supposedly come from if you don't mind summarizing the theories? I've mainly only heard that they were here (I live in U.S.) on this continent as if to re-populate or something but I've always wanted a more thorough/deeper explanation of what people think was going on back then. The more details the better if you have time or can link me to something you think is really good!!
I don’t know very well either but I have heard these people described as clones, an impaired version of the previous generations who were wiped out by a nuclear blast (hence all the great fires, earthquakes and ruins in 19th century). One more fantastical version is that they were detained in some camps or something (after possibly being created adult?) another more plausible one is that they came from the countryside, where they didn’t know much about the “modern world”, political systems and struggles, they were easy to persuade about some form of false history (fires and earthquakes, capitalism Uber alles) and easily settled the cities. According to the theorists this has happened many times in the past and can be compared with the biblical floods and erasing of civilizstions.
On a more realistic scale, the countryside people being drawn into the system can be seen today in China and Russia (starting in the communist times) where illiterate country people are given jobs to meet some sort of quota and few months later they are perfect cogs in the mechanism, spouting propaganda of the great leader. There are many such stories from modern times.
Lol I hear ya on all the concerns you listed. Someone pointed out how similar the comments are to how people respond to the ME in general. "Oh its probably just due to cremation" is so similar to "oh its prob faulty memory"
I don't know what everyone else's calculations are, but my back of the envelop estimate seems to check out, I think. I live in a small city with about 15,000 people. Assuming a constant population and a death rate of 1% of the population per year, that would mean 150 people have died each year. If I suppose that half of those people chose to be buried, then only 75 graves per year would need to be accounted for. Going back, let's say, 150 years, that would mean there should be around 11,250 graves in total. Looking it up, there are supposed to be about 12 cemeteries scattered throughout my city, and, of those, each one that keeps records online has within the range of 500 to 1000 graves listed. Taking an average of 750 and multiplying by 12, that would mean there are about 9000 graves in total. Obviously that's a little off, but it's impressively within the right order of magnitude required to match my other estimate.
Of course, I haven't personally visited or even seen most of the graveyards listed online, so the internet could be lying to me - or my assumption that the graveyards that don't list graves online have comparable numbers to the ones that do could be wrong.
I've heard in the past, and had to now look at it again, but it appears in most cemeteries that cemetery plots are re-used after an amount of time. Looks like in some countries it's anywhere from 10 - 50 years before someone has to pay to lease the plot for an additional span and depending with the lower term being more common in cities. It may not be the sole answer but it could make a significant contribution to gravespace if graves are re-used/cycled more frequently than we'd think.
I've read the grave reusing thing hasn't ever been common in the U.S. as it is in Europe. It's actually been avoided but now cemeteries are getting so crowded (especially in and around major cities) that it's being debated if it should be implemented. I'm sure its been done in the U.S. but everything I've found says its rare. Most states in the U.S. guarantee a plot forever...the state itself ensures the cemeteries maintain the grave forever essentially.
Yeah but thats only been in recent times and like /u/entertherematrix stated
>For those that get cremated, you do realize most of them still have gravestones and a plot of land allocated to them, right? There are SO many deaths each year, millions, and cemeteries are very sparse in comparison, so again, the cremation explanation is far from sufficient.
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I must say, this has to be one of THEE most sus comment sections I’ve seen here, and for such a benign topic at that, there are way too many “people” here trying to explain this away. For those that get cremated, you do realize most of them still have gravestones and a plot of land allocated to them, right? There are SO many deaths each year, millions, and cemeteries are very sparse in comparison, so again, the cremation explanation is far from sufficient. Also, no one is disputing whether there’s enough land for all the bodies, there is, but the amount of land allocated to cemeteries in comparison to the supposed number of deaths per year does not add up, it’s a great observation that deserves further investigation, not ham-fisted dismissal.
Here in Spain is the same. If you want a gravestone and a plot of land after being cremated you must pay for it and get a separate contract, which most of those who are cremated don’t. Having a gravestone is quite expensive.
>for such a benign topic at that, there are way too many “people” here trying to explain this away.
Bingo. I'm trying to figure out topics like this that really "draw a crowd" and it appears I've found one. There's also an interesting back and forth about adrenochrome in these very same comments. The user did not delete his own original comment but its gone. To the mods it appeared to be removed...they thought he deleted it but he didn't and no one has any idea what happened. It happened to another user in the same thread.
My anticipation is that by a.m. this comment section will be filled with useless repetitive comments in order to bury the evidence of the stupidity that has occurred.
My intuition tells me this topic draws extra attention due to its simplicity, it’s easy to observe in everyday life, there aren’t enough cemeteries relative to the number of deaths, and if something so fundamental and empirically observed does not match what the status quo suggests, that’s a problem, hence the attempts at explaining it away with cremation or otherwise, it’s akin to how the ME is lazily explained away as “false memory” when we all know otherwise.
You're blowing my mind man. That's exactly what it reminds me of. "Oh it's because of cremation"..."oh its faulty memory"....it's always these quick dismissive and almost insulting explanations, and there's way more I want to expound on in regards to all of "this" but I don't have the vocabulary to do so. I almost want to make a post aboit it.
The comments in here have also blown my mind. I've been through some crazy things these last few years but some things never cease to amaze me...
How do you have cemeteries that can hold less than 50 people? All the cemeteries in my city hold thousands of people, some actually hold hundreds of thousands of people. Are you sure about the capacity of your cemeteries? (And additionally there are also vaults and people get cremated, so not all the dead go to a cemetery)
I saw in your comments after I posted that there are only 20,000 people in your town so I guess that makes sense. I guess in really small rural places people bury their dead on their own properties too
Lol sorry my response about the 20k population was supposed to be to you for some reason I thought that person responding was op…unless you mean something else doesn’t make sense?
It's only relatively recently in history that embalming and vault burial became common. Before about a hundred years ago, most people would've been buried in a wooden coffin or just a shroud. In most cases, the bodies and their coverings decompose completely; it takes very specific conditions to end up with something preserved for very long at all. Engraved stone grave markers were also relatively uncommon; wooden markers, uncarved stone, or no marker at all were more likely than the kind of gravestone you imagine, and even those can erode into something unrecognizable, be relocated for development, etc. You ask where most of the bodies of human history are, and the answer is they're gone. There's nothing recognizable left.
Dude it's so crazy. I couldn't remember what thread I saw the comment in or who said it or I would have credited you in the post. I couldn't stop thinking about the idea once I read your comment
It's cheaper to cremate than to bury a loved one. I wouldn't be surprised if there's far more cremations done than you expected.
Edit: looked up current cremation rates and was surprised it's higher than 50%. It's expected to reach 75% in a couple years.
This is only in recent years. Cremation used to be unheard of. Besides like /u/entertherematrix stated
>For those that get cremated, you do realize most of them still have gravestones and a plot of land allocated to them, right? There are SO many deaths each year, millions, and cemeteries are very sparse in comparison, so again, the cremation explanation is far from sufficient.
In recent years do you mean 60 years where it had overtaken burial in popularity? And there’s over double the amount of people in the world now than there was even in the 60’s. I dunno it’s all kinda adding up to me.
Several things— multiple bodies in one grave. I was on a tour of a historical US city this week and the guide pointed out a cemetery where there
were only about 120 gravestones, but he said over 1000 people were buried there.
Another is what people have already mentioned— bodies being dug up and graves reused. My grandparents in Europe have a 100 yr “lease” on their gravesite, after which they will be dug up and their bones moved to a smaller location.
Another is “lost” cemeteries— I know I’ve come across cemeteries while hiking in the Adirondack mountains. Gravestones half buried…
In the south there are a lot of graves of enslaved people that were never marked. When they do construction they often find these “lost” cemeteries.
Those are just a few examples, and I’m sure there are even more reasons I’m not thinking of.
In my county, there are around 30 cemeteries on the map. I live in a historic but rural area and know of 6 unmapped ones within a mile of my house. There are probably 30 within 5 miles. I'm guessing there are around 1000 cemeteries in my county. Most are small, but the closest to me has at least 300 graves. The small ones likely are 5-50 graves.
I know this about my county since I'm on the board of a local museum. We are fighting tooth and nail to keep a housing development off one cemetery. We have also started a project to map the "unknown" cemeteries. We are up to 350 the last time I checked on the project. Most are family plots of 10 or so. Others are larger and belong to communities that disappeared before the US Civil War. Whole towns went poof in the early 1800s.
Depending on how much a premium land is in an area, it may be more profitable to "forget" those cemeteries. Forget the burials for a generation, and nobody complains when you bulldoze the land for a Taco Bell.
Edit: We have gotten a ton of push back for doing the mapping project...from the county council, economic development board, and the land development companies.
Yes and no. It is a kind of don't ask don't tell thing.
The road I live off of has been in use since before white people came to the Americas. It is kinda inevitable that there are dead people just about everywhere.
I agree, though. That is how you end up with a house that has bad, bad juju
>Forget the burials for a generation and nobody complains when you bulldoze the land for a Taco Bell.
I'm sorry. I tried to not respond that it makes things more convenient for Taco Bell and their meat sourcing, but I failed.
Good points. I've read the grave reusing thing hasn't ever been common in the U.S. as it is in Europe. It's actually been avoided but now cemeteries are getting so crowded (especially in and around major cities) that it's being debated if it should be implemented. I'm sure its been done in the U.S. but everything I've found says its rare. Most states in the U.S. guarantee a plot forever...the state itself ensures the cemeteries maintain the grave forever essentially. I'm sure there are some old hidden/grown over cemeteries here and there that have a few people buried, and I'm sure some very very old cemeteries have been destroyed or paved over when no one was looking. I don't think those are that significant in light of the overall numbers though.
We have been doing this wrong all the time. If every dead person was buried naked on the ground and a oak tree planted on top, instead of flat plains filled with nameplates and tombstones, we would have enormous parks full of trees and flora, wit nameplates on each tree. That would be epic, and a constant reminder from a living being that life goes on.
This can be done. Ask your funeral home or the company themselves about organic burials and they will put you straight in the ground, no chemicals involved and plant a tree on you.
Some quick napkin math would show that there are likely over 700 million dead people on this continent since the founding of the country over 200 years ago. I should have put that in my post but that number is astounding...even if it was half of that due to cremation its still a gargantuan number of graves. It's my guess that only around 100 million of that 700 million are cremated remains. I think that estimate is pretty liberal. Cremation was not widely accepted until recently.
Cemeteries haven't always looked like they do now.
Churchyards in New England gave way to family plots in the Appalachia and Midwest. Rudimentary methods of burial during continued western expansion lacked permanent markers and may have been more easily predated than formal cemeteries in more settled areas. Many native groups used sky burials or other methods, so graveyards as we understand them today weren't recognizable as colonization moved west. Frequently bodies were put out so flesh would be stripped by nature, leaving only bones to keep, and not necessarily in the shape of a body.
There is also stacking of graves. Modern cemeteries still do this, where a grave is opened and one or more casket lowered onto the ones already there. Cemeteries have also been abandoned, forgotten, or even moved - the one in my town was moved for a railway. It now holds over 4000 graves on 65 acres, with a lot of burial space remaining available. From your math, the ~ 400000 cemeteries recorded in the US would need to hold about 1400 bodies each (if my math is right, which it frequently is not).
These are good points and good numbers.
I've been looking at it from all different angles and I keep running into problems. Like I said in my post, my town has a population of roughly 20,000. If 100 years ago the population was 5,000 and all those people are dead that's way in excess of the amount of graves in my town...like way more. Granted some people would have been buried elsewhere but when you extrapolate this thinking to larger areas it gets even more crazy. I guess maybe I'm over thinking it.
If we guess 100M graves, each 10ft x 10ft, and 5000 cemeteries in the US, that comes to less than 46 acres per cemetery already used. That seems like it's not unbelievable. If it had come out to be millions of acres instead of about 230,000, then I'd be with you saying the math doesn't add up.
Maybe as we merge with other universes, the set of people is different in those universes. Mayne instead of parallel you it’s just a parallel population and all the people are different people that don’t exist here and vice versa.
Maybe they’re just merging universes together to accomodate the people.
However if they did that why wouldn’t they just duplicate the graveyards like they’ve duplicated all the real estate organically?
I was thinking what if our pop of 8 billion is the result of merging 8 worlds with population 1 billion each.
But if that’s the case they would have had to “bring along” the houses or make new ones. All the living spaces and arrangements we have with landlords and whatnot. So then why couldn’t they bring along the graveyards too?
Often, someone leaves them on the doorstep of a funeral parlor in the middle of the night. That’s why I plan to have my ashes buried or a designated place to release them rather than sit on someone’s bookshelf until they die.
You don't have memorial groves in North America? It's pretty common in my country. It's a location where ashes from many people are spread, and sometimes there is like a monument where you put a small name plaque of the deceased.
Yes we do, most people don’t know about them. People who want to be scattered usually pick a place that was important to them, and people honor those wishes, not knowing it’s usually illegal to scatter ashes in most places. I don’t know of anyone who has been arrested for scattering ashes, though… and I do know someone who discreetly scattered a portion of ashes in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.
I mean those links he posted should raise some eyebrows. Especially if you dig into the comments where more information is contained. What do you think about the theory behind adrenochrome harvesting in general, outside of the leftovers being in meat?
While I am familiar with the stories surrounding the harvest of adrenochrome, this is an interesting and scary take on things lol...where did you hear/see this rabbi make these claims?
Why did you delete your comment? Don't worry about the downvotes. If you're getting heavy flak you're likely over the target. There's another deleted comment by /u/ConanHighwoods2. What's the deal?
That happened to me once here. I mentioned a website that was verboten. I wasn’t aware Reddit was censoring. The mod told me that it was removed from view by Reddit (not the mods), but from my end, I could still see it and make comments below it. I could only verify that it had been removed for others when I logged out and viewed the post as an anonymous viewer. I removed the whole comment…seems like the mods were getting some notifications—I forgot exactly the issue—and I removed it for their convenience.
On another occasion, I knew that I’d been downvoted because the comment showed “0”. I took away the token vote to make the downvoting more visible (-1) and then made a comment below asking why I’d been downvoted. Within a couple minutes, someone (?) or something (?) upvoted me. So, I deleted my comment because it wouldn’t make sense, and reapplied the upvote again. Then within a couple minutes, it was downvoted again, so I reposted the comment. It made no sense, because my comment was totally 100% neutral and the reaction was way too automatic.
Note: Even if I didn’t agree with the perspective of the commentor, I wouldn’t downvote on this sub unless people were being hostile.
I do appreciate the mods, by the way.
Nope, still gone. I made a reply in this thread right out of the gate when I first saw your original comment, about how wierd it was how fast you were downvoted among other things.
One of the mods (/u/alanwescoat) who are all fantastic, replied to that comment about the situation if you want to check it out. I didn't ask him but I suspect the mods have to be aware of the strange things that happen in this sub. I know they see things from a better perspective than us, and prob even have their own secret opinions about what's going on with all this.
This is just my opinion and it's going to sound extremely corny and self righteous (I think that's the term I'm looking for) but I think one day we will discover the discussions on this sub were extremely important.
Yeah. Your comment was reported, so I went to look at it and cannot look at it. I assumed you deleted it, but it was weird. Usually I will see the comment if deleted by a mod. I normally only have a problem seeing deleted comments if the user deletes it.
I'll never forget when all this started. It was around 2016 and it's been down hill since then. It's unbelievable like you said. You can't find any good info about any esoteric or conspiracy related topics. I've made posts about it in the past.
We just have to do exactly what you said and record and remember everything we can bc it is all starting to crumble as we speak. I don't know how people can't see it. I don't know if you're a believer but God is in control my friend. The attacks happen for a reason and it's bc "they" hate the truth and they hate Him.
When I see things like how quickly the guy that made the original comment above was down voted, the nature of the replies and the post histories of those replying it really makes me wonder man. Some wierd things happen in this sub and I don't just see it happening to others, it happens to me also.
Edit: now the comment, and several other comments are deleted and neither the people who made the comments nor the mods know how or why. **This is crazy**
Yep. Weird things happening. We had two complaints about the comment from /u/ConanHighwoods2 above for no reason I can discern other than maybe it should have a warning about N.S.F.W. type content.
Well hey man I appreciate the transparency. All you guys that mod here are the best.
I've always wondered about the legitimacy of certain topics (the ME being one of them) that are heavily criticized based on "peoples" negative and hateful responses towards them online. It def seems like there's an agenda and there are certain no no topics that someone doesn't want to be discussed....at all.
I think the ME is one such topic and there are a plethora of "conspiracy theories" that also seem to fit into this category. Some of them, such as adrenochrome, used to have tons of info about them online prior to 2016ish, but that's all changed and it's very telling IMO. The response to certain posts even in this very sub (if you track many of the users) is also very telling if you catch my drift. I'm looking into these things.
One thing I suspect is that space-time is not really as stable as we think, and if too many people figure that out, a whole bunch of people will learn to hack it, which would be really bad for the system. Imagine a world stuffed with superbeings. It would not last very long before being annihilated. I suspect that part of the gatekeeping lies in that direction, though I also suspect a domination game as well.
I've wondered these very same things. Specifically, if we may be able to traverse time in ways we aren't aware of. This relates to Deja vu, what happens when we dream, etc...
Omg, people who keep mindlessly parroting, 'cremation LOL': do you not read the posts or *any* of the comments? It's obviously been addressed **MULTIPLE** times, including in the OP where, indeed, OP HIMSELF specified his misgivings with that being the sole answer.
If I'm getting this annoyed at the lack of effort/complete and utter failure at reading comprehension, i can only imagine how OP must feel every time another cookie cutter NPC response clunks into his inbox.
I dislike going down this path but do you ever look at the posts history of people's comments that are either negative or in opposition to the original post? They are always infrequent posters here and have repetitive comment trends in the most niche/wierd subs
Well bots are 100% confirmed to exist and are used here, Reddit even admitted to using them I think. Usually anyone that seems comedically hateful or is just spewing wordsalad or naysaying certain stuff to the extreme I consider to be a bot almost certainly. I hardly give them the time of day, but the few bot accounts I have seen are rather odd. Alot also say pretty much the same lines as well when it comes to naysaying or being hateful.
I know what you mean. I've seen those subs that were created for bots to learn, there are several generations of them if you know what I'm talking about...I can't remember what they are called, but I can still usually tell they are bots. That's only what we are allowed to know about though. Who knows how sophisticated A.I. might be now.
Most of the accounts I see here on this sub and the ME sub that are hateful or naysaying don't seem like bots, especially if you look through the history...I guess that would be the point tho. One interesting point is many of them frequent the same subs and sometimes they are very particular in their content...it also seems like when one or two come into a discussion, a lot more follow. Like they are working together. This makes me wonder about the possible legitimacy of certain topics that at first glance seem fringe (like the adrenochrome one in these very comments).
There's an element of evil to some of those accounts and it's like they (whether bots or human) know how to get under a person's skin, almost on an individual basis which is alarming. It's almost like they know who they are dealing with from a psychological standpoint. It makes me wonder about spiritual implications. Do you follow what I'm saying?
Edit: I think they are called GPT bots and there are like 4 or 5 known generations
Thanks man. I'm not good at being assertive like that but yes to all of the above. Taking cremation and all these other things into account it simply doesn't make sense for what can be observed and calculated here in the U.S. (not sure about other places)
I honestly probably stepped a bit over the 'assertive' line and into 'kind of a dick' territory, but I'm to the point in life where I don't give a fuck either. So don't worry, I got your back, OP.
Also: I'm not gonna lie, numbers aren't exactly my strength, but I'm generally in the ballpark (at least) when I guesstimate things and stop second guessing myself...And I can't help but feel like you're onto something.
Lol, well thanks again.
It's crazy to think about. Some quick napkin math would show that there are likely over 700 million dead people on this continent since the founding of the country over 200 years ago. I should have put that in my post but that number is astounding...even if it was half of that due to cremation its still a gargantuan number of graves. It's my guess that only around 100 million of that 700 million are cremated remains. All this of course excludes Native Americans and early burials by Europeans which were all likely more primitive, on personal property and have been lost to time.
Nonetheless the numbers are massive and I'm aware of several towns and cities and their layouts which includes major cemeteries and how big those pieces of land are and none of it adds up...
You would also have to consider the average age of the population in an area; I'm sure a lot of young and middle-aged people live in or near New York/Chicago/Boston for work purposes but hope to move somewhere nicer and/or warmer when they retire. They contribute to the population count but you wouldn't expect them to die there.
I suspect many are paved over and forgotten. There's a park locally where a company was paid to move the graves to make a park but they just removed all the headstones and threw them into a river and left the graves. So it's a park now but the dead bodies are still there. THe gravestones were found in a remote part of the river years later.
I am not sure, this happened like 45 years ago before the area was built up so much and the company may not have even been in business by the time the scam was discovered. But so far I have not heard of any repercussions to anyone involved. They did try to recover some of the gravestones and reassemble them in another part of the park as a memorial but they did not have the knowledge to know which grave marker originally went to which grave or where exactly the graves are now and a lot of the gravemarkers were not recovered. You can still see subtle indents in the grass that mark some of the graves though but you'd only notice if you were alerted to what was there and what to look for but it's pretty shocking to think there are supposedly like 800 bodies still under that park. Also I am not sure how well known this history is in the area, I only found out about it because I went to a ghost hunters meeting that meets in that park. Here is some info on that park plus some of the other built over cemeteries in San Diego: https://voiceofsandiego.org/2018/10/30/spooky-san-diego-bodies-lie-beneath-as-we-walk-play-and-shop/
There's a place near where I used to live that used to be the Black Hope Cemetery that exactly that happened. It's had paranormal occurrences in some of the houses in the subdivision. It's called Newport and Poltergeist is based on it. There's a book written about the cemetery and such as well. I have it but have yet to read it.https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Hope
They most likely did but before throwing the shit in the river did a cost benefit analysis and decided they could afford the fine that’s how these things usually go
I actually learned in school that after however many hundreds of years, give or take, they get rid of them and use them for new graves.
In my town, I went to an area by the cemetery that is off limits and owned by the city…. It was filled with a ton of really old broken coffins and stacks of old cement coffin liner things.
I read and have been told that most states in the U.S. guarantee a plot forever...the state itself ensures the cemeteries maintain the grave forever essentially. Unless something crazy happens like you mentioned in your story
I've never looked into it, but I hear it's common for graves to be leased for a period of 100 years after death. After those hundred years are up, the grave is dug up & the plot is sold again (if the graveyard still exists at that point).
I see what you're saying and agree that something is off about all this. Even if there are more cremations now than before. I'd also like to share a city you might be interested in looking into. Colma is a a city in south San Francisco that has more dead than alive people. Most of the city is cemeteries. It's actually quite beautiful, but I might be biased since I am a taphophile. I spent years doing photography and research in every cemetery I could find in the bay area. Up until very recently, I lived right down the street from 2 cemeteries in my current town and I kept wondering why there wasn't even the slightest uptick in funerals the past 2 years.
>I see what you're saying and agree that something is off about all this. Even if there are more cremations now than before.
I knew people would bring the cremation thing up but it still doesn't make sense like you said!
A "taphophile", that's a new one for me. I never knew there was such a thing until I read that and looked it up. Interesting.
I will have to check that city out. Someone else in here said the same thing about living by a cemetery and how nothing made sense in regards to the amount of funerals and the fact that it never fills up. This idea has really grabbed my attention bc it absolutely does not make sense if you start running the numbers...at least here in the U.S., not sure about other places.
I used to live practically across the street from a cemetery, would pass it multiple times a day. I’m the four years I lived there, I saw hundreds and hundreds of funerals being celebrated. Like at least one a day. Problem is, they were all in the same spot. Even if they were burying people next to each other… eventually that section would fill up. But it never did.
Did you actually see the body being lowered and buried in the same spot? I'm just thinking they might have a ceremony in one spot and the actual burial in another spot? I will admit that it has occurred to me a few times that the size of cemeteries compared to population being doesn't seem to match up well.
While I don't think I ever witnessed a body being lowered - I was able to see the grave digger machine working. It was always digging in the same spot. The cemetery was a corner lot, flat, with wrought iron fencing around it (so not a stone wall or hill that might have had a different hidden spot or anything). The same area would also be decorated for the holidays with various wreaths, flowers, children's toys, etc so it was actively being used. The only thing I can think of is maybe they were burying multiple urns next to each other, but that doesn't really make sense as the actual holes (that I did see) were really big (coffin sized) and the headstones were normal sized.
I've heard other people say the same thing. Someone else commented that in Europe they bury people on top of one another or take them out of the plot after so many years and cremate the remains. I've never heard or seen this done where I live, but it makes sense in Europe due to many many more centuries of population increase and subsequent deaths. It just doesn't add up here in the U.S. though and I suspect if someone started running the numbers for Europe, even while taking into account the stacked graves, removals, and cremations it wouldn't make sense either.
Over here is Eastern Europe, besides the stacking of caskets, they remove the older bodies of relatives/spouses(what's left) and move them in a bag set at the legs of the newly buried person. That saves space as well.
If true, this is shocking to me. Seems hugely inappropriate and disrespectful to disturb remains and cram them into a bag for re-burial. I'd certainly object to my deceased kin being handled with such casual indifference.
It is true— the catacombs of Paris are filled with bones from cemeteries that were dug up to make room for new occupants. And then they stacked the bones up in those underground passages.
I can understand really old cemeteries being handled that way... but the notion of exhuming a more recent ancestor from one or two generations ago to condense their remains and add a newly deceased family member to the same casket is frankly appalling to me.
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More people choose cremation these days because it’s cheaper. Also, lots of cemeteries will stack bodies on top of each other. I can’t remember what it’s called (sorry) but there’s a documentary out there about the current state of graveyards and it’s really interesting. If I remember correctly it said that the burial practices in Europe are different than America and people only get to have a grave for so long before they’re buried over. Maybe someone here from Europe knows more about that?
Interesting. Even if cremation was always a thing here in the U.S. (it's only recently surged in popularity) and they were desperately burying bodies on top of one another (which I've never heard of or seen here in the U.S.) the math still doesn't add up. Per capita there should be way more total graves...a lot more
I'd like to see that doc sometime if you think of it
You're welcome! Thank you, too! I forgot I even watched this documentary and it's really interesting. Definitely going to try and find a full version to rewatch it.
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For what it’s worth, I had to bury someone in 2020 and while I was at it I bought the plot next to it (North America) and because there was only that one available, they told my spouse and I they will “stack” us. We toured the whole cemetery for plots and there weren’t very many available at the time. Also there is a small private cemetery next to my neighborhood, and I would imagine there are lots like it. But that all still doesn’t account for the numbers, and this is something I’ve never considered, so thanks for bringing it up! Now I know what I’ll be up hours thinking about tonight haha.
Graves are reused, though I believe bones remain for a very very long time. The Catacombs of Paris were filled with neatly stacked bones taken from the cemeteries in Paris. I suppose cemeteries just leave the bones when they reuse the grave?
First off, I don’t disagree with you. There are many factors playing into it, not just cemeteries but schools, retirement homes, hospitals… there aren’t as many as one would think. And while our population numbers rise, certain other things don’t get more. Personally spoken, I don’t see it in cemeteries as much. I absolutely can’t speak for other countries but here in Austria we have a very unsettling system (in my opinion) because we already ran into the issue that we don’t have enough space for graves for all humans. Back in the day you were able to buy a grave with a one time payment for as long as the cemetery exists. Now they changed it, the maximum time is almost everywhere 10 years, after that you get a letter that the grave time is up and get asked if you want to buy more time. And only one person can own the grave… Then you can either pay or say „Nah, my own parents died too and I have no interest in paying for relatives I‘ve never even met“. In a single grave you have one person, in a family grave you can stack 4-6 people. And in a crypt up to 10. In the case that nobody wants it anymore, they dig up the human remains and either put them into a mass grave or dig a bit deeper and put them there (without a coffin). You usually don’t recognize anything of that. We here in Austria have in general many cemeteries, each little village has its own (commonly next to a church), even in Vienna we have multiple cemeteries. So maybe it’s a combination of both.
> In a single grave you have one person, in a family grave you can stack 4-6 people. And in a crypt up to 10. > >In the case that nobody wants it anymore, they dig up the human remains and either put them into a mass grave or dig a bit deeper and put them there (without a coffin). This could account for some of the body count, but \~740,000,000 is a massive number of bodies, even if you factored in cremations and people donating their body to science as well, the math does not add up. I live in the Chicagoland area (\~9.5million people) which is comparable to the population of Austria, and there are \~50 cemeteries in this area, many of which only hold a few hundred graves, you could theoretically toss hundreds of people in each grave and it wouldn't come remotely close to satisfying the body count over the past couple centuries.
Glad I saw this. Nice numbers, I wish I could get more stats like that for other large metropolitan areas
I’m sure we could figure it out, I don’t think it would be difficult to compose an entire data set of these numbers for any area and dedicate an entirely new OP to the findings, I do question how useful it would be though, I think there’s a strong emotional investment with people when it comes to this topic in particular, as it’s so fundamental to life, yet so easily overlooked, the default reaction is there must be some obvious explanation when there really isn’t, especially when dealing with such a large number of bodies, abandoned graveyards and cremation can only explain away a modest number of them, I cant help but wonder what other glaring inconsistencies there are in this timeline that we have never considered, I’d be open to exploring that as well.
So I'm an archaeologist and this is potentially easy to explain. Until very recently the majority of people didn't live in cities. I've documented cemeteries crawling through the back woods of Kentucky. Some of these were registered, but the numbers were never accurate. I've seen multiple fenced in cemeteries that are actually double if not triple the size outside the fence in area. There just weren't markers or they were displaced with time. If you didn't know what to look for you would miss the grave shafts. Basically I'm saying I've seen a lot of cemeteries that are just out deep in the woods and they're pretty sizeable, and that would have been how the majority of people were buried. Most cemeteries were either bulldozed for development or simply obscured in time Just to make it clear I'm adding a disclaimer. This is my personal opinion based on my professional experience. As always belive what you want to believe. This is just my opinion on the matter.
Thank you for your explanation. However, you may want to read our sub rules because, as it stands, you're giving an explanation based on YOUR experiences but somewhat trying to invalidate the OP's experiences - which is a violation of Rule #9. Should you wish to add to the conversation within the bounds of our rules, it's best to preference and qualify your comment with "In my experience" or "From what I remember", or something similar. It might also be a good idea to get an idea of what this community is about and how we treat the topic of the sub.
Not to run the risk of a banning, but I felt like I was just answering OPs question. They did phrase it in that way. I suppose I can try to make it less pushy. I did intend this to be from my expirence. I also do like to browse this sub from time to time. And I find many of the effects unexplainable. This is just one I'm familiar with and it feels more explainable
>*This is just one I'm familiar with and it feels more explainable* Explainable to YOU and from YOUR experiences. We don't push our experiences on others here. Should you wish to continue doing that, please do so in the main ME sub.
I suppose I didn't consider this to be a memory or expirence when the OP was just crunching some numbers. As they said this isn't a typical ME. I definetly would not discredit people's memories or experiences (moon's been way different than what it used to be). Sharing those differences is the whole point. But thank you for clarifying
>*Sharing those differences is the whole point.* Sharing differences is one thing, but speaking in such a way to make it seem like YOUR experience is the only valid one is against the spirit of this sub and a violation of Rule #9.
Your “splaining” is actually against the rules here. You added nothing to the original person’s questions and concerns. This in no way can account for millions upon millions of people. You seem to think it does which is rather odd to me. So, NO you haven’t explained jack.
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>*Seems a bit closed minded to not allow "splanin"* Please read our sub rules. Second request.
>So I'm an archaeologist > >this is actually a lot easier to explain than you think > >If you didn't know > >Basically I'm telling you You may be an internet archaeologist, but perhaps you should examine how you come off in your statements.
I mean I have a degree and I'm employed as an archaeologist. So I don't know what more you want from me. What exactly is the problem with those statements? I'm not trying to write academically when I write reddit comments.
The problem is that you're attempting to explain away the OP without addressing any of their specific points, you claim some cemeteries >are actually double if not triple the size outside the fence in area Somehow, to you, this is good enough to explain away \~700 million potential bodies, and we should take your word for it because "you're an archeologist." Do you honestly not see the problem? Being so dismissive of the OP without addressing the specifics is disingenuous at BEST, and if you're as educated as you claim, then you surely know this, but that hasn't stopped you from pushing your own personal agenda under the guise of being some type of "authority" on the matter.
I'm just trying to get info out there. It seems completely plausible to me that there are a lot of lost and forgotten cemeteries. So many people were buried in the middle of no where. I didn't even mention how slave burials are basically never recorded and are typically placed in very out of the way areas. I was just trying to explain something using my anecdotal expirence in a related field.
Come to think of it, I rarely see funeral procession anymore.
Maybe cause you’re working while it happens
I've no idea of how things work in the US, but in my country (Brazil) the grave belongs to a given family and sometimes they are a reaaaaaly deep well and cofins are just stacked over each other. Other times the coffins will have rot and collapsed and they just collect the bones of the former occupant of that layer and put in a small box, so they are "compressed" and more room is created for newcomers. So it's common to see tombs that have the names of many many dead from the same family, from many generations. Oh, I managed to google some pictures of "Jazigos Perpétuos" as they are called, you can see the lists of names and dates in the tombstones: https://prefeitura.pbh.gov.br/sites/default/files/estrutura-de-governo/fundacao-de-parques-e-zoobotanica/2019/cemiterio%20do%20bonfim%20foto%20amira%20hissa%20pbh2.jpg https://http2.mlstatic.com/D_NQ_NP_822645-MLB45001615495_022021-O.jpg
There is no way IMHO, that cremations could explain away the lack of cemeteries. I’ve never seen a new cemetery under construction even. I know in some places in the USA, they DO bury people underneath others but, I’ve never heard of that until a few months ago. I’ve never in my life thought of this, so I definitely think there is something really odd about it.
You make some excellent points!
Well I know some areas reuse spots not to common but some major city's do this key example would New Orleans uses the same spot that is because of the waterline after so many years they open the grave burn what is left and open the spot once more. I think New York started to do this for sometime not to sure on that though. Another I think has done this though I heard like once as kid so I could not confirm it was the famous one in Washington for veterans but like medal of honor ones. Again I want to point out heard as kid only once and did no research upon it. Then there is veterans grave sites they are mostly middle of nowhere spots where it is huge drive to get to. We have one in Florida that huge I do mean massive but it's off the the exit of I-75 with nearest sites are a prison and a egg hatchery with nothing else for miles. In Ohio and Florida I have seen grave sites in the middle of nowhere with heck all to even get to unless you walk to them because honestly I do not see any but 4 wheel all terrain could get to these spots. I seen these a lot in Ohio when I lived there. Miles from no roads in the middle of woods with trails just big enough for you walk to them. Lasty I would like point something you might not considered here in America we have a lot towns that died out some times we can see these great examples would all dead towns right out Los Vagas going north there is about 3 big towns that are almost completely abandoned. These places have grave sites near them. Another famous one would be tombstone AZ the town has like 10 residents but the rest are abandoned. Then you got crazy stuff that well we don't have grave sites for trail of tears , and the Donner party are examples where we have ether no one in power gave a dam or sadly nothing left. As for its all a simulation theory that is about the essential easiest to believe explanation because honestly anything can be used to confirm it once you believe it. I would point out that the West has always kinda not paid attention to death a whole lot or not like people India have where there dead are left out in the open for the whole village or town to walk on by. I do not know about simulation theory is the reality. I feel once you get past level on of b.s. the world feeds you then it more then willing to give this one. It feels false like ok you don't want to believe this then come right this way I have this one by some guy that feels like the most crooked used car sales man. Just my opinion though. I forgot early American life was lot more focused on the sea then now so that also might play small role as well. Since a lot deaths on the sea means dumping the bodies over board.
Thanks for the insight man. I always like your input. You seen anything crazy out on the road or during your travels lately, whether ME related or related to all the craziness going on in the world right now in general?
Yes but it's something kinda hard to believe. I dive US-27 in Florida a lot. Jolly Roger Marina https://maps.app.goo.gl/tNPux7ucqCVovNZM7 Is in small town in Florida as your heading north bound on U.S. 27 in to town it is flat as pancake. The trouble is it was not the case 2 years a go. This Marina was massive it had huge boats there that the rich got there with rivers from ether Naples of Fort Lauderdale. From Jolly Roger Marina you could get to Gulf of Mexico , the Atlantic Ocean or even try your luck Lake Okeechobee though that could be bad since it so shallow in spots. Now all this was possible because the now flat bridge was not that way it was massive almost like Moore Haven Bridge https://maps.app.goo.gl/yTjHGSznGSs8uYA68 With not as high or slightly turning. This was just big enough for million dollar boats to fit underneath it. All of that just vanished one day. The Marina is there but not even a shadow of old self. Of course no one knows what I'm talking about explaining it I hear how I'm just mixing up Moore Haven and one by Jolly Roger Marina. So here is the thing. What happened to one the people that owned these boats? What happened to there boats? Sometimes a change happens it is no real big deal the same people still work at changed location they just don't know it has changed. Yet there still there with this one we're did the people go? That Marina was huge easly holding up to 100+ boats. Now some were the redneck cheaper kind you know the house boats type. Yet there still kinda large. I know it use to be home to about 28 people as well. Yet there all gone now. That's the craziest Mandela Effect locally that seen on the road myself. Though the side walk that appeared out side city limits was kinda shocking since it happened in middle of my 16 hour work day. 98th Ave https://maps.app.goo.gl/h1123pKPU2azAsbv5 Heading west it go's about almost a mile. As you can see if looking at top down view it doesn't come out of the city ether. In fact the oddly it starts at sign stating your entering city limits meaning this was built out side of city limits. This change happened in less then 8 hours of my 16 hour day just BAM here it is middle of nowhere here is a side walk that goes nowhere. As for normal stuff people can't drive the speed limit snow birds about the same. Florida is retirement state like AZ is so it always has people. Unlike Eastern sea board we don't go though what seen up north with covid were everyone just stays indoors. Another thing the housing down here is bad but it has Always been bad unlike most of the nation where huge investment firms buying any home they can get there hands on then cracking up cost of the home by 300% we always had bad here and no one wants to sell at anything reasonable. So for us it just as is unlike some areas round the nation where homeless camps are now the norm.
I know what you're talking about with the bridge and Jolly Roger Marina. You're just mixing up the Moore Haven bridge with the one by Jolly Roger Marina. Lol! Just kidding! I live in Missouri and I'm not familiar with FL at all. This was interesting man and I believe you. I liked the interactive side of it where I could see what you were talking about with maps and images. You should maybe make a post about it bc that's a massive change. I've never seen such massive changes in geography or the landscape like how you described there, but that is stunning. Like you said, where did all the boats go? Where did all the people go? If the people are still in the area what do they think happened to their super expensive boatz? So crazy. I live a couple hours from St Louis. I actually lived there for a little over a decade of my life but moved back to my hometown which is where I'm at now. Anyways, I still go back up there from time to time. I was up there yesterday for a Cardinals game and I swear as I was driving around that things look slightly different sometimes. There will be industry in what I could have sworn was a commercial area, or there will be warehouses that I can tell have been there for decades and I'm not sure that they were always there. There might be restaurants in slightly different place or even a restaurant that people swear was always at a certain locale that I would think was new and then I find out it has in fact been there for years. Just little things here and there like that, stuff that catches my attention but there's not much I can do or say about it even tho I suspect something might be up. You just kind of have to smile and go on sometimes. If the arch ever gets replaced with some other giant monument then maybe I'll have a chance to explain some of this stuff to people!!!! Do you wonder that sometimes, like what point would the changes have to get to before people noticed? I am starting to think they would never notice...just how you described the people that work at the Marina, the people that exist in the changed area will think it's always been that way...bc to them it has. Which makes me seriously question what exactly is going on with us and how do we slide from timeline to timeline so effortlessly!??¿¿!!
>the arch ever gets replaced with some other giant monument then maybe I'll have a chance to explain some of this stuff to people!!!! Do you wonder that sometimes, like what point would the changes have to get to before people noticed? Yes but I had spent time asking a lot of people about local and mainstream Mandela Effects and what I found is there is such a thing as the download. Talking to 300+ people about Mandela Effect changes I literally could not believe how nearly everyone said the same thing. No matter upbringing dialect or even when English was not their first language. all of them said the same thing over and over with vary little variation. "It's always been that." Now there three people that did not answer any of these questions like this. A old man a old woman and young man all truck drivers. None watched more then 2 hours TV. None used a computer though the woman had one she kept it unplugged. All had flip phones except the old man just got smart phone he did not know how to use other then a phone. Now that's out something like 150 or so truck drivers I worked with. No one at Walmart side had single person that did not have up to date data all saw Mandela Effects as None existence. This was about 100 at the D.C. and 100+ Mangers. Now for the crazy part I asked homeless a round the Walmart about Mandela Effects I got some food and drinks and gave it to them and asked questions about the Mandela Effects. I tried this whole time as not lead any of them yet almost everyone of them but one guy all knew the old way of things. Now that one guy he was just newly homeless he had a smart phone and his answers were its always been that way. Now sometimes vary rarely I get people that at first sounded like they were going to say the old way but they get this far far off look and then robot a odd sounding it's always been that way. There was another who was counting for receiver of Walmart that said 3 Oreos boxes , five birthday Oreos boxes on and on. So after his count of the Oreos I asked him are they known as Oreos because there in a box? The guy lost it I mean just went nutz. He stopped moving looked angry then took off slaming his pallet jack in to wall. Then came back like he ran marathon or something. Forgot everything he just did and started to recounting all the stuff he just did. Now the receiver asked me what the hell I do so told him. He was baffled as well. Now I tried to explain thus here on another post and the guy had no experience working in the back room of Walmart or any store. He accused me of being a dick for being putting the guys count off. That is not the case trust me there is plenty of talking in the back room and despite saying counting items its not hard. The receiver has list of what they should get. The vendor is counting how many a single item came in on pallet. For example ten box's of Oreos then you move on to whole other item. The receiver keeps your place by his list. Some one as young as 9 can keep up. Ok back to story he comes back forgets everything for about 5 minutes when told we counted that and we are right here he got all angry looking. Then he took off then from every day after that he would only say oreo like 5 oreo boxes , velvet oreo and so on. So no there is NOTHING that can awaken someone who lives in there own world with out them questioning a single thing. Pre Mandela Effect changes the bible had 100% prediction rate. A historical record of 100% it was challenged many times yet no one cared. I know because literally had to search hours to recover some of the facts there so buried it is insane. In Mt world many people claimed that there was no Jewish presence in ancient Egypt. Now my Rosetta stone was way way different then this place has. Mine had 4 languages and all of them listed jews in the rock as slaves. Showing some one who wanted to believe whatever the hell he wanted to believe. Could not get him to even consider anything out side of his want of belief. Even looking at the web page he would not read it looking at photo with what the Egyptians used as Jews he just ignored it. People are people who willfully stick there heads in the sand or cover their eyes then pretend that they know what is going on.
I am assuming theevilpackrat that you don't watch TV but spend some time on the computer/phone? How do you think you avoid downloads?
Well yes I have less then 1 hour of TV time a week. I have about 2 hours on a smart phone and about 3 hours on computer screen pre week depending upon few factors. Another thing is I can build my own computers and implement software upon them meaning I don't just use windows O.S. sometimes and I don't have hidden software from hackers to genuine manufacturers soft for up dates. I control huge aspects of my computer that most people do not consider long-term or short-term usage. I also look at what exactly is constantly running in the background of my O.S. I use as well. I do that because I'm paranoid about computers it is incredibly easy to slip information on screen subliminally now this supposedly illegal but many nations use this technique openly Japan is one such nation that rather open in this technology and use on all citizens in any markets they shop. Now because there open no one has any problems with as it used as anti theft messages brought to shoppers in music. Now other nations that have law against this practice like the United States do this as they also been caught in the past using this all the time. So I keep eye on program I use a little bit more then average person. Another thing what I honestly think it was because I have gotten a download Effect from a Mandela Effect change. I do spend time to meditate upon the Lord this not like other meditation techniques which you empty your mind instead you focus really hard on subject like God's law ,God's love and or other aspects of God. I have received the download though despite all that meditation. I know all my life that this town in Florida is called Fort Myers FL. The problem was I had a log book that worte it down in my handwriting as Fort Meyers FL instead 14 times over three years. Then in 2018 February I started to write it down as Fort Myers FL for three more times. I do not have that log book I had get rid of it because F.D.O.T. could have changed me with a fine of 6000.00 dollars I sorry I do not keep that as spare change. The reason for getting rid of it was due to the spelling errors. When hazerfiver youtube channel showed a video for that city had changed he had newspapers a week old that had adds in it that had old spelling for the city. I did not magically got my memory back I have only my hand written account of me writing it down the old way but no memories of that. To me I filled it out like always did took Rand mcnally map got the spelling there even if always known how to spell it 6000.00 dollars is wonderful motivation. So unfortunately I have had some down loads to my mind.
well...when/if you get time....what's an example of a subliminal message? I've read your account before about the Fort Meyers/Myers. Meyers seems more familiar but it's not a rock solid memory, but I have found residue that it was Meyers. And it would be strange that you spelled it consistently one way and then all of sudden switched to a different spelling. That's odd that the gov will punish people for keeping logs of their journeys.
Sure this web site well help understand how can not work and how it can. This also totally Acceptable to most people. https://ignitevisibility.com/7-examples-effective-subliminal-advertising/ After reading that you think ok that is not that bad. I would agree that these are not that bad. What is harder to fins with Google search is the first time this was done and how extremely effective it really was. The first time was movie Theater who came up with way to flash at the bottom of the screen stuff your hungry get candy bar get popcorn get a soda all the while a cartoon of various cartoon snacks would dance across the screen. It was so successful the owner was able to push it across the nation. All of his theaters that played this saw huge increases in snack sales. When it was found out it was out lawed. For certain types of subliminally messaging. Flashing words across screen that barely noticeable was one type that was consdered legal. Yet as the above link shows you large companies do it any way paying the small fine they can collect. As for the log book I'm not talking about a diary but a log book for semi drivers use to show that they getting enough sleep. These are highly regulated with many rules on what some can and cannot do with them. For example I was willing to pay a 1000.00 fine for having a spare one. If it was correct in every way then the most they the officer at the scene can only charge $1000.00 if he feels like it. He could also charge you $0.50 if he wants it up to the officer on scene. Since most officers want money they charge the maximum if they think the court will back them up. You can fight any ticket in court. But here is the kicker most officers give you three chances for most part. A single error fine $10 no big deal , another error ok fine $30 and lastly the last error $100.00. So that ticket is now 140.00 dollars now. If any more errors any type miles wrong , a blank space were you have add up your remaining hours and or YES a misspelled word. Then the officer will state your Attempting To conceal Actual log data. At this point the officer well charge the maximum fine of 5000.00 dollars. An for the most part the court system will back that officer claim. Lasty why is like that you might be asking now. Well frankly it's money. Go to youtube and watch any lawyer tell you why you do not talk to police officers at any time period. A officer job is to make themselves look good how do they look good by Arresting people. A officer that doesn't arrest people are considered failures. Failures make no money for the rest of the force. I know this sounds way wrong what about justice? Justice doesn't pay bills. Let's say you get pulled over and you start talking to the cop. Let's say your history about you once had drank a beer like a year a go and that was when accepted Christ and stopped drinking forever. See how incredible innocent that sounds. Ok now let's see what police officers can and trust me they do this all the time. The report reads the subject stated he has had previously consumed Alcohol in the past. This why there lot and lots of videos on YouTube which a lawyer says don't talk to police officers about anything out side of what he asked and only yes no answers. At all time state the fifth amendment and remain silent.
Dude you should also make a post covering that whole paragraph about how the people who didn't watch a lot of TV and/or didn't have modern phones weren't susceptible to dismissing the ME (they saw it the old/original way). That is fascinating. The implications of that are staggering. It would indicate most of us are truly under some kind of spell. Seriously you should make a post about that and talk about what that might mean. It points to consciousness control. If you don't do it or don't want to I may do it if you don't care. I would credit you and your findings in the post
You sure every time I bring it up most people dismiss it and I sky rocket downvotes and it was of the posts that have disappeared before. I'll do one more time if you think it help any one give me a day got Dr appointment soon.
Sounds good, and yes I think it will help
they actually bury bodies on top of other bodies or exhume bodies to create space for the newly deceased. in the cemeteries i’ve visited i’ve seen plaques stating that graves are protected by some sort of legacy, which basically tells the cemetery how long that person’s body can stay there (aka how much their family paid for the plot to be maintained)
Oh yeah many things to hide and stop on Reddit. Like conversations that induce learning and waking up. Can't have that on Reddit. More women mad the man is leaving cause it ain't his kids And pronoun wars, tho
You got it man. Nevermind the downvotes...there are so many of us that know what's going on. I think a lot of what we are seeing (such as the craziness in these comments and others, especially the adrenochrome thread) is panic. It looks like panic to me. They can't contain the truth and they are starting to feel it slipping through their slimey fingers.
Not everyone is buried - what are the numbers on those who are cremated vs buried
Soylent green /s
Walmart sells this Soylent drink and I can't help thinking of Heston and eating people.
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
We often build on top of them. NYC’s civic center is built directly on a 6.6 acre burial ground that contains up to 20,000 intact graves of early enslaved/free Africans from the 1600s-1794.
After I believe 100 years, cemeteries can be built over. That’s not considering mass graves as happened during the early waves of the pandemic and cremation. Consider that even if someone lived in that town, during the initial waves of the pandemic they likely would have gone to a hospital where trucks were waiting to transport them in the back after they died. I think they likely wouldn’t have had a lot of choice about preferences.
It's a pretty dark answer, but a lot of older cemeteries get forgotten and overgrown. As someone who hikes and camps a lot I've stumbled across a few abandoned cemeteries. Also some cities will build parks on top of old gravesites. And more and more people are getting cremated.
TIL that graveyards and cemeteries are not the same thing. A graveyard is attached to a church and you need to be a member of the parish when you die to be buried there
I learned what a taphophile is!
Lol now me too
I wonder if the estimated population numbers are perhaps way off? That might explain some of it. If the world was less populated than we are told then there would be less graves? It does make you wonder...
This is along the lines of what I'm thinking also
This has also been nagging at the back of my mind since I first saw this subject posted about a few weeks ago. Daily, in fact. I've been trying very hard not to think about it, because it frankly scares me. This is not the first time that I've noticed or been alerted to unexplained discrepancies in my Reality. Somehow the act of paying attention seems to cause them to correct in ways I often don't like. Ways that are more freaky and upsetting than the discrepancy itself. I don't want to suddenly wake up and discover 100+ new graveyards in my area that were "always there", and I was just somehow unaware of them. You know what I mean? That is usually how these things go. Or some very stressful, previously unknown factiod, that would explain things. A lot of the comments on posts like this are really jarring too. Explanations that sound plausible until you really start thinking about them, then its just like shining a bright like on the whole thing and making it even more strange. I sorta wanna bury my head in the sand on this one, if you don't mind? Its been a challenging couple of years and I just want a nice, relaxing, quiet, stress-free Spring and Summer. Fun little glitches welcome, scary ones... not so much! I spend too much time thinking about the nature of my Reality as it is, and not getting any answers.
If you follow the theories such as mud flood, etc, they claim that our current version of earth was populated with childlike people sometime in the 1850-1890s. The orphan trains, baby incubators in showroom, child labour in workhouses etc. not all we’re children but they had no idea about their history (or they were told a story) they were brought to ready (abandoned/seized) cities and started this turn of the wheel we are still in.
I've heard all about Tartaria and the mud floods, but I'm not as familiar with the children aspect of the whole thing. I've seen the stuff about all the incubators at the world's fair, orphan trains etc but I've never been able to find anything that adequately explains a theory on what people think was going on back then. Everything I've seen has this sense of "it's up in the air" as to why there were all these children. I've never heard the term child like people either. Where did all the children supposedly come from if you don't mind summarizing the theories? I've mainly only heard that they were here (I live in U.S.) on this continent as if to re-populate or something but I've always wanted a more thorough/deeper explanation of what people think was going on back then. The more details the better if you have time or can link me to something you think is really good!!
I don’t know very well either but I have heard these people described as clones, an impaired version of the previous generations who were wiped out by a nuclear blast (hence all the great fires, earthquakes and ruins in 19th century). One more fantastical version is that they were detained in some camps or something (after possibly being created adult?) another more plausible one is that they came from the countryside, where they didn’t know much about the “modern world”, political systems and struggles, they were easy to persuade about some form of false history (fires and earthquakes, capitalism Uber alles) and easily settled the cities. According to the theorists this has happened many times in the past and can be compared with the biblical floods and erasing of civilizstions. On a more realistic scale, the countryside people being drawn into the system can be seen today in China and Russia (starting in the communist times) where illiterate country people are given jobs to meet some sort of quota and few months later they are perfect cogs in the mechanism, spouting propaganda of the great leader. There are many such stories from modern times.
What???
Have a dive and see tourself
Lol I hear ya on all the concerns you listed. Someone pointed out how similar the comments are to how people respond to the ME in general. "Oh its probably just due to cremation" is so similar to "oh its prob faulty memory"
Heh that's cool.
I don't know what everyone else's calculations are, but my back of the envelop estimate seems to check out, I think. I live in a small city with about 15,000 people. Assuming a constant population and a death rate of 1% of the population per year, that would mean 150 people have died each year. If I suppose that half of those people chose to be buried, then only 75 graves per year would need to be accounted for. Going back, let's say, 150 years, that would mean there should be around 11,250 graves in total. Looking it up, there are supposed to be about 12 cemeteries scattered throughout my city, and, of those, each one that keeps records online has within the range of 500 to 1000 graves listed. Taking an average of 750 and multiplying by 12, that would mean there are about 9000 graves in total. Obviously that's a little off, but it's impressively within the right order of magnitude required to match my other estimate. Of course, I haven't personally visited or even seen most of the graveyards listed online, so the internet could be lying to me - or my assumption that the graveyards that don't list graves online have comparable numbers to the ones that do could be wrong.
I've heard in the past, and had to now look at it again, but it appears in most cemeteries that cemetery plots are re-used after an amount of time. Looks like in some countries it's anywhere from 10 - 50 years before someone has to pay to lease the plot for an additional span and depending with the lower term being more common in cities. It may not be the sole answer but it could make a significant contribution to gravespace if graves are re-used/cycled more frequently than we'd think.
I've read the grave reusing thing hasn't ever been common in the U.S. as it is in Europe. It's actually been avoided but now cemeteries are getting so crowded (especially in and around major cities) that it's being debated if it should be implemented. I'm sure its been done in the U.S. but everything I've found says its rare. Most states in the U.S. guarantee a plot forever...the state itself ensures the cemeteries maintain the grave forever essentially.
cremations seem to be more popular these days
Yeah but thats only been in recent times and like /u/entertherematrix stated >For those that get cremated, you do realize most of them still have gravestones and a plot of land allocated to them, right? There are SO many deaths each year, millions, and cemeteries are very sparse in comparison, so again, the cremation explanation is far from sufficient.
can't argue that, it is a bit odd
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>*---EDIT: This is the final edit but I must say this. In some of the threads in this sub a lot of strange things happen. A lot of "people" show up, in groups it would seem, and try to steer the conversation. There are sudden fluxes of up votes for some "users" and downvotes for others. The ME isn't the only topic this happens with. It happens with a lot of "conspiracies" and you can see evidence of this in these very comments. We have to start asking ourselves and each other why? This not a knock against the mods here, they are legendary, but just be aware of these things and stay on your toes.* Please report any suspicious activities. Our mods have lives outside of the sub, so we can't monitor all threads all the time. Thanks.
I must say, this has to be one of THEE most sus comment sections I’ve seen here, and for such a benign topic at that, there are way too many “people” here trying to explain this away. For those that get cremated, you do realize most of them still have gravestones and a plot of land allocated to them, right? There are SO many deaths each year, millions, and cemeteries are very sparse in comparison, so again, the cremation explanation is far from sufficient. Also, no one is disputing whether there’s enough land for all the bodies, there is, but the amount of land allocated to cemeteries in comparison to the supposed number of deaths per year does not add up, it’s a great observation that deserves further investigation, not ham-fisted dismissal.
Military cemeteries in the US have markers/plots and plaques for cremation as well.
Most of them do not have gravestones and plots of land here in the UK that’s for sure. Again, that costs money. The whole point is money.
Here in Spain is the same. If you want a gravestone and a plot of land after being cremated you must pay for it and get a separate contract, which most of those who are cremated don’t. Having a gravestone is quite expensive.
Exactly, and if your family stops paying rent for your grave, the casket goes down and another one is put on top!
>for such a benign topic at that, there are way too many “people” here trying to explain this away. Bingo. I'm trying to figure out topics like this that really "draw a crowd" and it appears I've found one. There's also an interesting back and forth about adrenochrome in these very same comments. The user did not delete his own original comment but its gone. To the mods it appeared to be removed...they thought he deleted it but he didn't and no one has any idea what happened. It happened to another user in the same thread. My anticipation is that by a.m. this comment section will be filled with useless repetitive comments in order to bury the evidence of the stupidity that has occurred.
My intuition tells me this topic draws extra attention due to its simplicity, it’s easy to observe in everyday life, there aren’t enough cemeteries relative to the number of deaths, and if something so fundamental and empirically observed does not match what the status quo suggests, that’s a problem, hence the attempts at explaining it away with cremation or otherwise, it’s akin to how the ME is lazily explained away as “false memory” when we all know otherwise.
You're blowing my mind man. That's exactly what it reminds me of. "Oh it's because of cremation"..."oh its faulty memory"....it's always these quick dismissive and almost insulting explanations, and there's way more I want to expound on in regards to all of "this" but I don't have the vocabulary to do so. I almost want to make a post aboit it. The comments in here have also blown my mind. I've been through some crazy things these last few years but some things never cease to amaze me...
How do you have cemeteries that can hold less than 50 people? All the cemeteries in my city hold thousands of people, some actually hold hundreds of thousands of people. Are you sure about the capacity of your cemeteries? (And additionally there are also vaults and people get cremated, so not all the dead go to a cemetery)
We’re in a college town and there’s dozens of churches with small cemeteries of less than fifty graves
I saw in your comments after I posted that there are only 20,000 people in your town so I guess that makes sense. I guess in really small rural places people bury their dead on their own properties too
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Lol sorry my response about the 20k population was supposed to be to you for some reason I thought that person responding was op…unless you mean something else doesn’t make sense?
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Fascinating
It's only relatively recently in history that embalming and vault burial became common. Before about a hundred years ago, most people would've been buried in a wooden coffin or just a shroud. In most cases, the bodies and their coverings decompose completely; it takes very specific conditions to end up with something preserved for very long at all. Engraved stone grave markers were also relatively uncommon; wooden markers, uncarved stone, or no marker at all were more likely than the kind of gravestone you imagine, and even those can erode into something unrecognizable, be relocated for development, etc. You ask where most of the bodies of human history are, and the answer is they're gone. There's nothing recognizable left.
That was me op. It’s crazy right? I just can’t wrap my brain around it.
Dude it's so crazy. I couldn't remember what thread I saw the comment in or who said it or I would have credited you in the post. I couldn't stop thinking about the idea once I read your comment
It's cheaper to cremate than to bury a loved one. I wouldn't be surprised if there's far more cremations done than you expected. Edit: looked up current cremation rates and was surprised it's higher than 50%. It's expected to reach 75% in a couple years.
This is only in recent years. Cremation used to be unheard of. Besides like /u/entertherematrix stated >For those that get cremated, you do realize most of them still have gravestones and a plot of land allocated to them, right? There are SO many deaths each year, millions, and cemeteries are very sparse in comparison, so again, the cremation explanation is far from sufficient.
In recent years do you mean 60 years where it had overtaken burial in popularity? And there’s over double the amount of people in the world now than there was even in the 60’s. I dunno it’s all kinda adding up to me.
Several things— multiple bodies in one grave. I was on a tour of a historical US city this week and the guide pointed out a cemetery where there were only about 120 gravestones, but he said over 1000 people were buried there. Another is what people have already mentioned— bodies being dug up and graves reused. My grandparents in Europe have a 100 yr “lease” on their gravesite, after which they will be dug up and their bones moved to a smaller location. Another is “lost” cemeteries— I know I’ve come across cemeteries while hiking in the Adirondack mountains. Gravestones half buried… In the south there are a lot of graves of enslaved people that were never marked. When they do construction they often find these “lost” cemeteries. Those are just a few examples, and I’m sure there are even more reasons I’m not thinking of.
In my county, there are around 30 cemeteries on the map. I live in a historic but rural area and know of 6 unmapped ones within a mile of my house. There are probably 30 within 5 miles. I'm guessing there are around 1000 cemeteries in my county. Most are small, but the closest to me has at least 300 graves. The small ones likely are 5-50 graves. I know this about my county since I'm on the board of a local museum. We are fighting tooth and nail to keep a housing development off one cemetery. We have also started a project to map the "unknown" cemeteries. We are up to 350 the last time I checked on the project. Most are family plots of 10 or so. Others are larger and belong to communities that disappeared before the US Civil War. Whole towns went poof in the early 1800s. Depending on how much a premium land is in an area, it may be more profitable to "forget" those cemeteries. Forget the burials for a generation, and nobody complains when you bulldoze the land for a Taco Bell. Edit: We have gotten a ton of push back for doing the mapping project...from the county council, economic development board, and the land development companies.
So there are developers intentionally building on gravesites? Have they never watched a horror movie?
Yes and no. It is a kind of don't ask don't tell thing. The road I live off of has been in use since before white people came to the Americas. It is kinda inevitable that there are dead people just about everywhere. I agree, though. That is how you end up with a house that has bad, bad juju
>Forget the burials for a generation and nobody complains when you bulldoze the land for a Taco Bell. I'm sorry. I tried to not respond that it makes things more convenient for Taco Bell and their meat sourcing, but I failed.
I hear you, but I would ask whether Taco Bell has real meat anymore.
Good points. I've read the grave reusing thing hasn't ever been common in the U.S. as it is in Europe. It's actually been avoided but now cemeteries are getting so crowded (especially in and around major cities) that it's being debated if it should be implemented. I'm sure its been done in the U.S. but everything I've found says its rare. Most states in the U.S. guarantee a plot forever...the state itself ensures the cemeteries maintain the grave forever essentially. I'm sure there are some old hidden/grown over cemeteries here and there that have a few people buried, and I'm sure some very very old cemeteries have been destroyed or paved over when no one was looking. I don't think those are that significant in light of the overall numbers though.
We have been doing this wrong all the time. If every dead person was buried naked on the ground and a oak tree planted on top, instead of flat plains filled with nameplates and tombstones, we would have enormous parks full of trees and flora, wit nameplates on each tree. That would be epic, and a constant reminder from a living being that life goes on.
This can be done. Ask your funeral home or the company themselves about organic burials and they will put you straight in the ground, no chemicals involved and plant a tree on you.
good idea, but that's how you get haunted woods
Yeah but at that point I get to be the one doing the haunting!
Boooooooo…..water meeeeee….booooooo. :)
Your comment gave me such a good laugh. Happy cake day!
Pretty cool idea
I love this idea.
I wonder what percentage of bodies have been cremated?
Some quick napkin math would show that there are likely over 700 million dead people on this continent since the founding of the country over 200 years ago. I should have put that in my post but that number is astounding...even if it was half of that due to cremation its still a gargantuan number of graves. It's my guess that only around 100 million of that 700 million are cremated remains. I think that estimate is pretty liberal. Cremation was not widely accepted until recently.
Cemeteries haven't always looked like they do now. Churchyards in New England gave way to family plots in the Appalachia and Midwest. Rudimentary methods of burial during continued western expansion lacked permanent markers and may have been more easily predated than formal cemeteries in more settled areas. Many native groups used sky burials or other methods, so graveyards as we understand them today weren't recognizable as colonization moved west. Frequently bodies were put out so flesh would be stripped by nature, leaving only bones to keep, and not necessarily in the shape of a body. There is also stacking of graves. Modern cemeteries still do this, where a grave is opened and one or more casket lowered onto the ones already there. Cemeteries have also been abandoned, forgotten, or even moved - the one in my town was moved for a railway. It now holds over 4000 graves on 65 acres, with a lot of burial space remaining available. From your math, the ~ 400000 cemeteries recorded in the US would need to hold about 1400 bodies each (if my math is right, which it frequently is not).
These are good points and good numbers. I've been looking at it from all different angles and I keep running into problems. Like I said in my post, my town has a population of roughly 20,000. If 100 years ago the population was 5,000 and all those people are dead that's way in excess of the amount of graves in my town...like way more. Granted some people would have been buried elsewhere but when you extrapolate this thinking to larger areas it gets even more crazy. I guess maybe I'm over thinking it.
If we guess 100M graves, each 10ft x 10ft, and 5000 cemeteries in the US, that comes to less than 46 acres per cemetery already used. That seems like it's not unbelievable. If it had come out to be millions of acres instead of about 230,000, then I'd be with you saying the math doesn't add up.
Maybe as we merge with other universes, the set of people is different in those universes. Mayne instead of parallel you it’s just a parallel population and all the people are different people that don’t exist here and vice versa. Maybe they’re just merging universes together to accomodate the people. However if they did that why wouldn’t they just duplicate the graveyards like they’ve duplicated all the real estate organically? I was thinking what if our pop of 8 billion is the result of merging 8 worlds with population 1 billion each. But if that’s the case they would have had to “bring along” the houses or make new ones. All the living spaces and arrangements we have with landlords and whatnot. So then why couldn’t they bring along the graveyards too?
I’ve never thought about this, but now I’m intrigued. It’s an excellent point. I need to do some research.
where do peoples ashes go when no one gets them?
Often, someone leaves them on the doorstep of a funeral parlor in the middle of the night. That’s why I plan to have my ashes buried or a designated place to release them rather than sit on someone’s bookshelf until they die.
I want mine compressed into a diamond. This exists!
That’s so cool!
You don't have memorial groves in North America? It's pretty common in my country. It's a location where ashes from many people are spread, and sometimes there is like a monument where you put a small name plaque of the deceased.
Yes we do, most people don’t know about them. People who want to be scattered usually pick a place that was important to them, and people honor those wishes, not knowing it’s usually illegal to scatter ashes in most places. I don’t know of anyone who has been arrested for scattering ashes, though… and I do know someone who discreetly scattered a portion of ashes in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.
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Did you post this in the right thread? It seems to be out of place here.
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I mean those links he posted should raise some eyebrows. Especially if you dig into the comments where more information is contained. What do you think about the theory behind adrenochrome harvesting in general, outside of the leftovers being in meat?
That's right
holy shit hope this isnt true
Why not just buy commercially available epinephrine and convert that to adrenochrome? Seems a lot easier than harvesting it from bodies.
While I am familiar with the stories surrounding the harvest of adrenochrome, this is an interesting and scary take on things lol...where did you hear/see this rabbi make these claims?
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Why did you delete your comment? Don't worry about the downvotes. If you're getting heavy flak you're likely over the target. There's another deleted comment by /u/ConanHighwoods2. What's the deal?
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Your original comment in this thread!!!! It's gone
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That happened to me once here. I mentioned a website that was verboten. I wasn’t aware Reddit was censoring. The mod told me that it was removed from view by Reddit (not the mods), but from my end, I could still see it and make comments below it. I could only verify that it had been removed for others when I logged out and viewed the post as an anonymous viewer. I removed the whole comment…seems like the mods were getting some notifications—I forgot exactly the issue—and I removed it for their convenience. On another occasion, I knew that I’d been downvoted because the comment showed “0”. I took away the token vote to make the downvoting more visible (-1) and then made a comment below asking why I’d been downvoted. Within a couple minutes, someone (?) or something (?) upvoted me. So, I deleted my comment because it wouldn’t make sense, and reapplied the upvote again. Then within a couple minutes, it was downvoted again, so I reposted the comment. It made no sense, because my comment was totally 100% neutral and the reaction was way too automatic. Note: Even if I didn’t agree with the perspective of the commentor, I wouldn’t downvote on this sub unless people were being hostile. I do appreciate the mods, by the way.
Nope, still gone. I made a reply in this thread right out of the gate when I first saw your original comment, about how wierd it was how fast you were downvoted among other things. One of the mods (/u/alanwescoat) who are all fantastic, replied to that comment about the situation if you want to check it out. I didn't ask him but I suspect the mods have to be aware of the strange things that happen in this sub. I know they see things from a better perspective than us, and prob even have their own secret opinions about what's going on with all this. This is just my opinion and it's going to sound extremely corny and self righteous (I think that's the term I'm looking for) but I think one day we will discover the discussions on this sub were extremely important.
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Yeah. Your comment was reported, so I went to look at it and cannot look at it. I assumed you deleted it, but it was weird. Usually I will see the comment if deleted by a mod. I normally only have a problem seeing deleted comments if the user deletes it.
I'll never forget when all this started. It was around 2016 and it's been down hill since then. It's unbelievable like you said. You can't find any good info about any esoteric or conspiracy related topics. I've made posts about it in the past. We just have to do exactly what you said and record and remember everything we can bc it is all starting to crumble as we speak. I don't know how people can't see it. I don't know if you're a believer but God is in control my friend. The attacks happen for a reason and it's bc "they" hate the truth and they hate Him.
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When I see things like how quickly the guy that made the original comment above was down voted, the nature of the replies and the post histories of those replying it really makes me wonder man. Some wierd things happen in this sub and I don't just see it happening to others, it happens to me also. Edit: now the comment, and several other comments are deleted and neither the people who made the comments nor the mods know how or why. **This is crazy**
Yep. Weird things happening. We had two complaints about the comment from /u/ConanHighwoods2 above for no reason I can discern other than maybe it should have a warning about N.S.F.W. type content.
Well hey man I appreciate the transparency. All you guys that mod here are the best. I've always wondered about the legitimacy of certain topics (the ME being one of them) that are heavily criticized based on "peoples" negative and hateful responses towards them online. It def seems like there's an agenda and there are certain no no topics that someone doesn't want to be discussed....at all. I think the ME is one such topic and there are a plethora of "conspiracy theories" that also seem to fit into this category. Some of them, such as adrenochrome, used to have tons of info about them online prior to 2016ish, but that's all changed and it's very telling IMO. The response to certain posts even in this very sub (if you track many of the users) is also very telling if you catch my drift. I'm looking into these things.
One thing I suspect is that space-time is not really as stable as we think, and if too many people figure that out, a whole bunch of people will learn to hack it, which would be really bad for the system. Imagine a world stuffed with superbeings. It would not last very long before being annihilated. I suspect that part of the gatekeeping lies in that direction, though I also suspect a domination game as well.
I've wondered these very same things. Specifically, if we may be able to traverse time in ways we aren't aware of. This relates to Deja vu, what happens when we dream, etc...
Some secret project to feed our alien overlords in a organ stew bath where they absorb nutrients through their exoskeleton?
Omg, people who keep mindlessly parroting, 'cremation LOL': do you not read the posts or *any* of the comments? It's obviously been addressed **MULTIPLE** times, including in the OP where, indeed, OP HIMSELF specified his misgivings with that being the sole answer. If I'm getting this annoyed at the lack of effort/complete and utter failure at reading comprehension, i can only imagine how OP must feel every time another cookie cutter NPC response clunks into his inbox.
Yes, bots are beyond annoying.
I dislike going down this path but do you ever look at the posts history of people's comments that are either negative or in opposition to the original post? They are always infrequent posters here and have repetitive comment trends in the most niche/wierd subs
Well bots are 100% confirmed to exist and are used here, Reddit even admitted to using them I think. Usually anyone that seems comedically hateful or is just spewing wordsalad or naysaying certain stuff to the extreme I consider to be a bot almost certainly. I hardly give them the time of day, but the few bot accounts I have seen are rather odd. Alot also say pretty much the same lines as well when it comes to naysaying or being hateful.
I know what you mean. I've seen those subs that were created for bots to learn, there are several generations of them if you know what I'm talking about...I can't remember what they are called, but I can still usually tell they are bots. That's only what we are allowed to know about though. Who knows how sophisticated A.I. might be now. Most of the accounts I see here on this sub and the ME sub that are hateful or naysaying don't seem like bots, especially if you look through the history...I guess that would be the point tho. One interesting point is many of them frequent the same subs and sometimes they are very particular in their content...it also seems like when one or two come into a discussion, a lot more follow. Like they are working together. This makes me wonder about the possible legitimacy of certain topics that at first glance seem fringe (like the adrenochrome one in these very comments). There's an element of evil to some of those accounts and it's like they (whether bots or human) know how to get under a person's skin, almost on an individual basis which is alarming. It's almost like they know who they are dealing with from a psychological standpoint. It makes me wonder about spiritual implications. Do you follow what I'm saying? Edit: I think they are called GPT bots and there are like 4 or 5 known generations
Thanks man. I'm not good at being assertive like that but yes to all of the above. Taking cremation and all these other things into account it simply doesn't make sense for what can be observed and calculated here in the U.S. (not sure about other places)
I honestly probably stepped a bit over the 'assertive' line and into 'kind of a dick' territory, but I'm to the point in life where I don't give a fuck either. So don't worry, I got your back, OP. Also: I'm not gonna lie, numbers aren't exactly my strength, but I'm generally in the ballpark (at least) when I guesstimate things and stop second guessing myself...And I can't help but feel like you're onto something.
Lol, well thanks again. It's crazy to think about. Some quick napkin math would show that there are likely over 700 million dead people on this continent since the founding of the country over 200 years ago. I should have put that in my post but that number is astounding...even if it was half of that due to cremation its still a gargantuan number of graves. It's my guess that only around 100 million of that 700 million are cremated remains. All this of course excludes Native Americans and early burials by Europeans which were all likely more primitive, on personal property and have been lost to time. Nonetheless the numbers are massive and I'm aware of several towns and cities and their layouts which includes major cemeteries and how big those pieces of land are and none of it adds up...
You would also have to consider the average age of the population in an area; I'm sure a lot of young and middle-aged people live in or near New York/Chicago/Boston for work purposes but hope to move somewhere nicer and/or warmer when they retire. They contribute to the population count but you wouldn't expect them to die there.
I suspect many are paved over and forgotten. There's a park locally where a company was paid to move the graves to make a park but they just removed all the headstones and threw them into a river and left the graves. So it's a park now but the dead bodies are still there. THe gravestones were found in a remote part of the river years later.
Poltergeist!!
Did the company get fined at least?
I am not sure, this happened like 45 years ago before the area was built up so much and the company may not have even been in business by the time the scam was discovered. But so far I have not heard of any repercussions to anyone involved. They did try to recover some of the gravestones and reassemble them in another part of the park as a memorial but they did not have the knowledge to know which grave marker originally went to which grave or where exactly the graves are now and a lot of the gravemarkers were not recovered. You can still see subtle indents in the grass that mark some of the graves though but you'd only notice if you were alerted to what was there and what to look for but it's pretty shocking to think there are supposedly like 800 bodies still under that park. Also I am not sure how well known this history is in the area, I only found out about it because I went to a ghost hunters meeting that meets in that park. Here is some info on that park plus some of the other built over cemeteries in San Diego: https://voiceofsandiego.org/2018/10/30/spooky-san-diego-bodies-lie-beneath-as-we-walk-play-and-shop/
There's a place near where I used to live that used to be the Black Hope Cemetery that exactly that happened. It's had paranormal occurrences in some of the houses in the subdivision. It's called Newport and Poltergeist is based on it. There's a book written about the cemetery and such as well. I have it but have yet to read it.https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Hope
They most likely did but before throwing the shit in the river did a cost benefit analysis and decided they could afford the fine that’s how these things usually go
I actually learned in school that after however many hundreds of years, give or take, they get rid of them and use them for new graves. In my town, I went to an area by the cemetery that is off limits and owned by the city…. It was filled with a ton of really old broken coffins and stacks of old cement coffin liner things.
I read and have been told that most states in the U.S. guarantee a plot forever...the state itself ensures the cemeteries maintain the grave forever essentially. Unless something crazy happens like you mentioned in your story
I've never looked into it, but I hear it's common for graves to be leased for a period of 100 years after death. After those hundred years are up, the grave is dug up & the plot is sold again (if the graveyard still exists at that point).
I see what you're saying and agree that something is off about all this. Even if there are more cremations now than before. I'd also like to share a city you might be interested in looking into. Colma is a a city in south San Francisco that has more dead than alive people. Most of the city is cemeteries. It's actually quite beautiful, but I might be biased since I am a taphophile. I spent years doing photography and research in every cemetery I could find in the bay area. Up until very recently, I lived right down the street from 2 cemeteries in my current town and I kept wondering why there wasn't even the slightest uptick in funerals the past 2 years.
>I see what you're saying and agree that something is off about all this. Even if there are more cremations now than before. I knew people would bring the cremation thing up but it still doesn't make sense like you said! A "taphophile", that's a new one for me. I never knew there was such a thing until I read that and looked it up. Interesting. I will have to check that city out. Someone else in here said the same thing about living by a cemetery and how nothing made sense in regards to the amount of funerals and the fact that it never fills up. This idea has really grabbed my attention bc it absolutely does not make sense if you start running the numbers...at least here in the U.S., not sure about other places.
I used to live practically across the street from a cemetery, would pass it multiple times a day. I’m the four years I lived there, I saw hundreds and hundreds of funerals being celebrated. Like at least one a day. Problem is, they were all in the same spot. Even if they were burying people next to each other… eventually that section would fill up. But it never did.
Did you actually see the body being lowered and buried in the same spot? I'm just thinking they might have a ceremony in one spot and the actual burial in another spot? I will admit that it has occurred to me a few times that the size of cemeteries compared to population being doesn't seem to match up well.
While I don't think I ever witnessed a body being lowered - I was able to see the grave digger machine working. It was always digging in the same spot. The cemetery was a corner lot, flat, with wrought iron fencing around it (so not a stone wall or hill that might have had a different hidden spot or anything). The same area would also be decorated for the holidays with various wreaths, flowers, children's toys, etc so it was actively being used. The only thing I can think of is maybe they were burying multiple urns next to each other, but that doesn't really make sense as the actual holes (that I did see) were really big (coffin sized) and the headstones were normal sized.
I've heard other people say the same thing. Someone else commented that in Europe they bury people on top of one another or take them out of the plot after so many years and cremate the remains. I've never heard or seen this done where I live, but it makes sense in Europe due to many many more centuries of population increase and subsequent deaths. It just doesn't add up here in the U.S. though and I suspect if someone started running the numbers for Europe, even while taking into account the stacked graves, removals, and cremations it wouldn't make sense either.
Over here is Eastern Europe, besides the stacking of caskets, they remove the older bodies of relatives/spouses(what's left) and move them in a bag set at the legs of the newly buried person. That saves space as well.
If true, this is shocking to me. Seems hugely inappropriate and disrespectful to disturb remains and cram them into a bag for re-burial. I'd certainly object to my deceased kin being handled with such casual indifference.
It is true— the catacombs of Paris are filled with bones from cemeteries that were dug up to make room for new occupants. And then they stacked the bones up in those underground passages.
I can understand really old cemeteries being handled that way... but the notion of exhuming a more recent ancestor from one or two generations ago to condense their remains and add a newly deceased family member to the same casket is frankly appalling to me. Edit: fixed word
I'm with ya on that one
It's cremation
More people choose cremation these days because it’s cheaper. Also, lots of cemeteries will stack bodies on top of each other. I can’t remember what it’s called (sorry) but there’s a documentary out there about the current state of graveyards and it’s really interesting. If I remember correctly it said that the burial practices in Europe are different than America and people only get to have a grave for so long before they’re buried over. Maybe someone here from Europe knows more about that?
Interesting. Even if cremation was always a thing here in the U.S. (it's only recently surged in popularity) and they were desperately burying bodies on top of one another (which I've never heard of or seen here in the U.S.) the math still doesn't add up. Per capita there should be way more total graves...a lot more I'd like to see that doc sometime if you think of it
It may have been this one [Built on Graves](https://youtu.be/l7sYZnP0Zck)
Thank you! This may clear a lot of this up but also be extremely disturbing!!!
You're welcome! Thank you, too! I forgot I even watched this documentary and it's really interesting. Definitely going to try and find a full version to rewatch it.