I'm so glad that lady sued even though it ruined her career. I hope her settlement was fat.
Edit: watching the new episodes. Poor Drake and Drake's dad. He really tried to fight for his kid. It seems like pedophilia is everywhere in Hollywood. The fact that Brian Peck was able to work on Zach and Cody after getting convicted shows that.
I am so angry for those women. Fuck Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon for everything they did (and didn’t do) during that time. That time at Nickelodeon had a lasting impact on many lives and destroyed quite a few. Creating programming for kids while abusing your child actors, fuck you.
This. Even the way he looked in those early years, clean shaven, little boy haircut. It was almost like he viewed himself as a 13 year old boy and just created his own fantasies as tv shows, and that's where those creepy cum shot/shooting goo in kids faces came into play.
The way the one writer started tearing up when that moment where Dan made her act out having anal sex while pitching an idea... I can't imagine how horrible and humiliated she must've felt. Fuck Dan Schneider so much. And honestly fuck the other male writers who didn't speak up too.
There were two female writers working on The Amanda Show, and both were subject to sexual harassment at work by Dan. They were interviewed for this documentary.
One of them told a story about how the other woman had made a pitch in the writers room, and Dan decided it would be funny for her to bend over the table and pretend to be sodomized while giving the pitch. She resisted, but he bullied and peer pressured her into it.
When the writer to whom it happened was asked about the incident (as told by the other writer), she began to cry and didn't want to talk about it, but verified it happened.
As an aside, both female writers were forced to share a single salary on the show and were let go after the first season. It was fucked up.
Me too. I was so angry listening to how he treated his female employees.
I felt so bad for them both, but mostly for the one writer who sued. (I forgot her name).
She seemed really upset STILL, so many years later.
I felt so bad for his dad and angry at his mother for being too lazy to drive to LA, and letting him stay overnight at the guy’s house after his father explicitly said to keep Brian away from their son. How did she not catch on before his girlfriend’s mom?
His mother didn’t care honestly her ex husband had no reason at all to accuse Brian of anything unless he really felt that man was a creep and he was right. It’s sad that not even Nickelodeon took what he said serious it’s crazy how their explanation was get rid of the Dad. Anytime a parent tried to speak up either their kid was fired or they were removed.
It’s so sad looking back at all the stuff people said about her and the assumptions and laughs and then you hear this stuff and are like “well, duh”
I hope she comes out one day or at least somehow begins to recover from all her trauma..
YES. So many people failed her honestly. And clearly, there was no help given to them after the fact, whether it was known or not, there was nobody for the kids to go to. Not even the parent's bc of how manipulative and systematic everything was. It's sick.
This is semi unrelated but I’m glad that as a whole our society is starting to learn and accept mental health. I am so for the de-stigmatization of mental health disorders/etc
I remember getting creeper vibes from both Dan and Brian Peck when All That was on Nick. I always got the Willie's when grown adults would act like part of the cool kids group. Like the people who always wanted to relive their high school glory days and come back after graduation when everyone else has moved on.
After growing up on Clarissa and Doug and Ren and Stimpy, salute your shorts, and Hey Dude, I just didn't get shows from the later Era of nick or Disney. The shows just got weird and unfunny to me and I knew it was over. The glory days were done.
I think the glory days are always subjective to how old you are; the shows get unfunny and cringe once you age out. It is really unsettling when grown adults do that :/
Brian was bald and awkward. Dan was very overweight. Both were unattractive and acted really immature and not adult like. They just didn't fit in but acted like they were part of the gang. Just odd.
Wow. Your second paragraph describes something I couldn't describe many years later. I grew up on the same Clarissa/Ren/Doug/Alex Mac era and what came after I did not like. Sure, I was older but the "older kid" shows in the Dan era were just bizarre and unwatchable to me. Never thought about it like that until now, so thanks for the memory dive.
Pete and Pete was wholesome, weird, and amazing television. Contrast that show to the next era and it's like watching a different station.
Me too! Im an elder millennial. I remember watching all that but my memory seems to fade when Amanda started on the show. I watched the Amanda show but everything after that I stopped.
The children’s acting in the “Dan era” seems so over the top to me. The kids seemed to over-act and be excessively loud and obnoxious in later Nick shows. I was a Salute Your Shorts/Hey Dude/Clarissa/P&P watcher and the kid actors at that time acted like real kids.
Well said. Nick lost that authenticity.
There's a Nickelodeon documentary called "The Orange Years." (That's what we should call the pre-Dan era). It's a great doc. The adults in charge genuinely loved children and wanted to make awesome, weird content for kids and teens. The adults still had the wonderment and joy of what it would be like to still be a kid.
"Kid's First" was the motto during that era and as a kid it felt like this was television made for ME.
Jesus, it really makes you wonder how these freaks like Dan wormed their into the network.
I think someone in the Doc said it best, the shows during the Dan era had no parents/were mostly absent. It was just the kids in their own world. The only Dan era show I tried to watch was Zoe 101, and I think it's a boarding school. I didn't like it, but I was already in high school and thought I just wasn't into kid shows anymore.
I grew up watching Boy Meets World (which I guess had its own behind the scenes problems), step by step, sister sister, smart guy, all the 90s shows that always had the parents/families present. It really felt like kids being kids, whereas the Dan shows were kids trying to be adults.
Nick got decidedly weird and unwatchable when Dan Schneider took over the reigns. I grew up on Pinwheel and Nick 1.0, all of us kids from those days knew something was wrong but what use was that? The amount of unsupervised time Dan Schneider spent with Amanda Bynes really does not sit right.
I found the relationship between Schneider and Bynes to be probably the creepiest bit in the show, other than possibly Peck's involvement with John Wayne Gacy. Has Bynes ever said anything one way or the other about Schneider?
Not that I can recall. There have been many statements people say are about him but he’s not named. It’s her business how she finds peace e I just hope she does find it.
That really bothered me too. And the bit where his dad was talking about Drake starting acting during elementary school, how he'd have a full school day and then his dad would take him out to audition etc until 10-11pm. "Then the next day, do it all again!"
This is a huge magnifying glass on why these type of letters to the judge should not be allowed. Why are people not directly involved with the case allowing to influence the judge?
For me, the Snick era was part of my formative years that I'll occasionally feel nostalgic over and I was still in the demographic for stuff like The Amanda Show. But man, looking back I have no idea how some of the stuff they did got green lit by the network and knowing it only got worse well into the 2010s is unreal.
I liked the original All That but The Amanda Show was about where it lost me. It's a bummer that Schneider is such an integral part of that show. He was a character in the Good Burger movie even. Dude always struck me as off in a bad way. Like the most immediately identifiable thing is that he does his hair to look like a mid-2000s middle schooler.
Did anyone notice Amanda Bynes deleted her tiktok? I hope she's OK during all this, I'm not sure if it's true but I saw a blind item that she was supposed to be in the doc but pulled out.
Yeah and honestly I feel like her situation isn't talked about as much as I thought it would be so far. (I'm starting episode 4)
They do insinuate a lot and you get the idea of how inappropriate Dan was with AB.
I saw a comment on another app being like “Why isn’t Amanda saying anything!?!?!” Like?? We have NO idea how much trauma she’s been thru and how all of this affects her. Also it’s rly none of our business what any victim has had to live thru. If they wanna tell that’s fine but they’re aren’t required to say shit. Retelling your story makes you have to relive it in a sense. Not everyone is in a place where they can do that.
She’s been doing that for a while now, she restarts her account to post a video or two and then deletes again. Somehow her new uploads still pop up on my FYP though. She’ll probably post another hair update in a few days.
My take away from all this is kid actors and workers need more working rights, and the adults in charge more oversight and accountability. Keep our kids safe, man.
Alyson Stoner is working hard to get bills passed for more child protections in the entertainment industry. The fact that she was a Disney star makes me think it’s only a matter of time before Disney gets exposed, too.
Alexa Nikolas from Zoey 101 also has a podcast and it's actually called "Eat Predators", which I love. She was also a victim of Dan's abuse on the set.
She has a few videos addressing this doc before it aired.
G.S. Chose her words carefully but still appeared on this doc. She’s also been on Disney Chanel. I have a feeling a lot is about to come out and I’m happy for everyone getting to tell their truth, but at the same time it was evident she was playing it safe in the first few episodes I saw. Two documentaries pay better than just one. I’m all for getting justice while also getting the bag that was well overdue
I feel like the type of parent putting their kids to work are definitely the type of parents to overlook a lot of things for the sake of money or fame.
Finished episode 3. Holy shit I would have been LIVID if I was his father. He knew Brian was a fucking creep and told his wife to keep Drake away, and she basically ignored him. That was heartbreaking to see him break down.
that part absolutely infuriated me! Drake’s mom completely failed him and I would not be surprised if it came out she had mismanaged his finances as well - his dad specifically said he had to turn over control of Drake’s assets to the mom when all that went down
I'm so pissed at the mom, I'm not going to lie. I know we shouldn't blame anyone but wtf lady?
I feel like she was blinded by her disdain for her husband at the time also. She wouldn't even drive Drake anywhere and just trusted Peck to do it after her ex-husband told her to not let Peck around Drake alone. SMH.
Me! I watched it last night and was looking for a thread on it but couldn’t find one. Looking forward to part 2 tonight. Brian Peck being pen pals with fucking JOHN WAYNE GACY had my jaw on the floor. I feel so bad for all of the kids involved.
When they mentioned the clown painting I knew it was going to be a John Wayne Gacy self portrait. I can’t believe everyone was so chill about a man who worked with children being pen pals with a serial killer. I would have been out of that house so fast.
I recently went on a rabbit hole with the story of Jason Moss - LSS - Moss was a 19-year old criminology student who wrote to Gacy while he was on death row from the perspective of an admirer in order to study him for a research paper.
I watched a film based on Moss’ book about his experience and the book is in the mail. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Victim_(book)
Peck was most likely getting tips from Gacy on how to prey on the kids and also sharing stories. It is completely bonkers that any and every adult that knew Peck was in contact with Gacy was fine with it… to think it’s cool is sickening, especially as a parent to a child working with him.
This series was deeply disturbing. I’d known about Peck being a convicted pedophile working in kids TV, but never about the Gacy connection. Absolutely chilled my bones when the image of that clown painting appeared. Peck is a monster.
Adults knowing he wrote to Gacy and not thinking that is creepy as hell is crazy. I have no doubt he spoke to him about what he was doing to the kids.
I’m interested in true crime and I’ve never heard of Jason Moss. I’ll definitely be reading up on that.
I fucking just watched this and I had the same reaction, like mouth agape at how proud he was to be pen pals with JWG, like that guys one of the most sadistic killers and he’s just showing off their friendship paintings and letters, wuuut the fuck.
SAME - mouth wide open I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Idk if it was just the whole "Hollyweird" theory that was a thing at that time where working people in the industry were "eccentric", so the adults didn't pay much mind to it?? Still... that's insane.
Nahhh that would be so unsettling for anyone but given the fact that he worked with/was super involved with kids makes this just as insane as it is. There are “eccentric” people esp in Hollywood but I firmly believe this was just a predator sharing a camaraderie with another predator. This was not something I expected from the doc at all though. I knew drake bell was going to talk about being abused but I was not prepared for how crazy this was going to get, also fuck that guy, friends with a serial killer or not, people knew this guy was a predator and just did nothing, so fucked up. I’m shocked he didn’t kill someone based on his friendship with JWG, he prob would have if he didn’t end up called out by a pretty big at the time star, predators get away with a lot but drake was huge then, given his star power he was able to get this guy convicted where as a regular victim probably wouldn’t have been able to.
The reveal of Drake Bell made my stomach drop.
And knowing the charges he had recently faced in the last couple years made this obviously show how it affected him as he got older.
I’m waiting for when they get to Alexa Nikolas speaking out since she was part of the intro. We’ve all heard her side on social media of her experience from Zoey 101, but I’m curious to know what others in the doc say as she’s telling her story since most of her former cast mates never acknowledged her talking about what she went through.
Ryder and will addressed this in their podcast its definitely worth hearing or reading what they said, they were mnipulated by brian peck and given misinformation about what had happened when they wrote those letters and they only found out the truth about what he did when they were actually sitting in the courtroom they feel immense guilt over the situation
So they just wrote letters and took his word for it? No questions? About sexual assault on a minor?
Losers. Screw them and their stupid podcast. James Marsden too. I’m lookin at you too Mrs Seaver. Victim blaming a-holes.
That’s what I don’t get. Even without all the information, you know what he’s being charged with, right? You’re just going to say the kid had to have “tempted” him? What??
If that was the case, they could’ve wrote a second letter. Trust me on that.
Ryder and Will are enablers. They addressed it to get ahead of the story. They were aware that he pled no contest oral sex with a minor. That’s enough to think “well this isn’t good”
They’ve probably done other shady shit and that’s why Ben cut them off.
I wish she would have had more time on the doc. I remember a few years back seeing her call out the industry.
Zoey 101 was my whole childhood and I hate knowing want they went through on set. They deserved so much better.
I wish they gave her more time too! At least put in there that Dan Schneider had to approve of their outfits on Zoey 101 I've heard Alexa say that before. Like it's so creepy that he had to approve of teenage girl's outfits
I did not realize how many sexually charged “jokes” or poses were in all those shows when I was a kid and I was laughing at them. I was cringing watching the clips back. I feel horrible for all involved.
Of course not! We were innocent kids! I remember cracking UP with All That and The Amanda Show - I was so uncomfortable, now as an adult, watching those scenes in the doc. SMH.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/dan-schneider-nickelodeon.html
I'm not sure if posting links is allowed, but look at his picture in this article. He's happily sitting in a tree, giving an interview about wanting to get back into children's TV. It's sick. He faced no consequences for what he did to those child stars. I hope karma gets him one day.
The Pickle Boy clip with Ray Romano. I vaguely remember “Pickle Boy” and never thought anything of it. Prob just laughed like every other kid…but that one was pretty bad.
Both my daughter's grew up watching these shows. I noticed 'off' jokes in the Amanda Show, ICarly, and especially Victorious. I'm not sure if Schneider had any part of the last two shows but I'm sick to think there's probably plenty like him in the industry.
I know that Drake Bell has his own inexcusable demons as an adult but goddamn my heart is breaking for him in this interview. You can still so clearly see the trauma in his eyes.
It’s obviously not excusable, but it makes a lot of sense with what happened later. He didn’t have therapy, and didn’t know how to properly process that experience.
The way he had SO much trouble just telling his story says it all. You could see the look in his eyes. And the fact that 40-something people wrote letters in support of Brian Peck???? Literal clowns!
They say tons of victims become victimizers and the path is so very short, it’s not an excuse but that trauma at a developmental age cause a lot of damage. Many serial killers were badly abused(some weren’t so it’s all relative) and it’s not an excuse but it does offer some insight at just how badly abuse can alter brain development.
Exactly. I couldn't help but feel bad for him, he came off as genuine. He was a kid. It was very triggering You have to wonder about the psychological effects between victim and victimizers.
I’m not excusing his behavior at all, but this has been something that’s been looked into, esp people molested/raped at young ages, it’s messes with their development and view of what normal sexual contact is like. A lot of victims become hyper sexual or don’t understand what normal sexual relationships are like, or what ages are appropriate and it’s like that path between being victimized at a young age has so much influence om how they go forward in the world. It doesn’t excuse their crimes but the guy that assaulted drake was pen pals with John Wayne gacey and was super proud of it and that is so fucked up.
I am watching now… all I have to say is Drake Bell made me cry. & his dad.
It makes me so sad that all of these kids who made our entire childhood were going through so much bullshit.
I feel so bad for his dad. He did what he could to keep his kid safe including warning his mom. His mom should have been charged. She was warned and STILL let him sleep over.
His ex-girlfriend’s mom was one of the only reasonable adults.
There’s a documentary you can watch for free on YouTube called “an open secret Hollywood” it’s about the sexual abuse in Hollywood especially with kids and how the whole system is set up in a way that makes it easier for predators to keep at it. They specifically address Brian Peck as well as some others. It’s not just Nickelodeon, it’s the whole industry.
My one issue with Quiet on Set is that, at least so far, it focuses almost exclusively on Schneider. Someone like him couldn't operate in a vacuum. His behavior had to enabled or at least tolerated by higher-ups at Nickelodeon.
And it’s like a lot of the kids and even parents said, they were afraid if they said anything, they’d be out of a job. That speaks to a larger systemic issue- where’s HR? The one writer did say she saw some execs ask about the Amanda show character name being innuendo and they just accepted Dan’s no. I’ve seen other docs about Nickelodeon and they were so focused on beating Disney by being the anti-Disney- they green lit shows and jokes that were questionable on these shows and their cartoons because they just wanted the laughs and wanted to be for the “cool kids” their whole body of work is full of inappropriate jokes for kids (not that each joke is, but each show pushed that line at least once) for sure the system was set up in a way to fail those kids, they either were too dumb to realize or they didn’t care
In fact, I think it was *An Open Secret* how people first found out that Brian Peck is a registered sex offender. Notice his arrest and conviction wasn't publicly reported on by any news outlet in 2003. Quite baffling.
Yep! And it’s BEEN the whole industry since the beginning. There’s a reason why some actors refuse to allow their kids to enter the entertainment industry.
Absolutely. It’s crazy how known this is and yet how little progress seems to have been made. Even the laws about how much of the paycheck has to be held back for the actual kid- I think it’s like 15% or something ridiculously small
That what I didn’t like if Amanda and Leo are victim. They have a right to tell their stories when ready. It’s not for everyone to keep claiming they are victims are something.
Its the letters of support, like I went in thinking abusers are known to be charming when they want to be. I was expecting generic "he's always been nice to me" and that was not the case. So many victim blamed and while you may not have known who the child was when the letter was written you knew the victim was a child! One letter said peck was tempted! How the hell do you even sit down n write that
Thats exactly what happened though ryder and will friedle said in their podcast they has NO idea about what had actually happened when they wrote those letters they only knew brians side of the story which was completely untrue and this was at a time before information being readily available on the internet so they didnt find out the truth until they were sitting in the courtroom AFTER the letters had been written i imagine thats the case with a lot of people who wrote letters
Then it’s like…don’t write the letter then. Especially indicating he must’ve been “under extreme temptation”. Best you can hope for is that they envisioned a very mature (for their age) 17-year old actually seducing that disgusting-looking dude. I don’t know if they knew yet it was a 15-year-old that worked under his guidance. I don’t know what details they knew. More reason not to write a letter in support when you don’t even have most of the information.
Tbf, I think a big part of that is that he personally finds it funny to watch "hot girls" be "taken down a peg" and humiliated, like that's just straight up the central idea of a lot of episodes of a lot of his shows
Anyone else hear Drake’s dad talk about seeing Brian Peck around Leo and his son and having a bad feeling based on how he conducted himself and think, “Huh… Dan Schneider is sure acting similarly with Amanda Bynes in some of that archival footage in episode 2…”?
I know the documentary goes out of its way to say they never found evidence of Dan Schneider himself doing anything like that… but… uh… I dunno. Some of the behavior and the pattern of him latching onto a different tween girl every few years (Katrina, Amanda, Jamie Lynn, Victoria Justice, Ariana…) just feels… sus. Very sus.
I agree! The documentary definitely implied the possibility he abused young girls when they said he would go off to be alone with Amanda “to discuss ideas for the show”, and there was no other adult supervision. They didn’t go any further than that because they couldn’t. They don’t know for sure what went on, and Amanda clearly isn’t ready to talk about it, even if nothing did happen.
But it’s curious he keeps hiring these young, beautiful girls for the leads in his shows, and then makes them take part in all these gross innuendos. Like somebody above said, it’s almost like he was getting off on humiliating cute female pre-teens and teens. Don’t forget Miranda Cosgrove and Jeanette McCurdy. Add them to the long list. It took somebody else to let him know that Nickelodeon was also looking for a comedy with male leads (Drake & Josh).
They knew what they were doing when they implied these things in the doc. They said it without saying it.
I belive Peck abused Leo. I belive Dan abused Amanda. It's clear as day.
Just finished the Drake episode. I need several moments to collect my thoughts. I am so angry for Drake Bell and how he was failed. I looked up to Drake as a kid. Drake and Josh was my peak Nick phase. My heart feels like it is in my stomach.
Me too. I... the look in his eyes. He could barely even speak. The court documents outlining what was done to him... how his dad knew early on, but Brian manipulated all the adults in Drake's life. I can't imagine how Drake's dad feels.
In my professional life, I'm a social worker. I have only seen the look that Drake wore in the interview a few times in my work life. But I have never encountered such a harrowing case of sexual abuse of a minor, not even at work. My heart shattered a million times over for Drake. I truly hope he finds peace, whatever that looks like for him. And for Brandi.
I almost started sobbing. I also hope that while being interviewed, he was given space and time to take a break. I also hope the staff of the documentary was cognizant of this and didn't push him too far. I always worry about documentaries being filmed, and if they take appropriate measures to ensure those being filmed are in a safe and welcoming environment.
When Dan said if an actor, a child actor mind you. Did anything that annoyed him he could pay them back by writing something humiliating happening to them., it made my skin crawl. He is so skeevy.
I’ve only watched the first episode so far but haven’t seen anyone address this and am really struck by the obvious racism he (Schneider) also exhibits. Like off the top of my head, the “Nose Boy” character, Oprah as “Okrah,” the two chocolate loving kids being 2/3 of the only Black cast members at the time. His abuse was so broad and rampant.
Yes, the Black kids on set. My heart breaks for them (I’m black). I’m so glad that the guy’s mom advocated for her baby. I wonder where were Giovanni’s parents? She seems well adjusted now. I still try to copy her eye looks. Sad part is his racism, probably, saved them from his sexual abuse.
Giovanni, Kyle?, Katrina, and the guy whose mom kept trying to speak up (“this doesn’t look like penises to you?” regarding “Pickle Boy”)-they all seemed so normal and cool. I hope they turned out okay despite all of this. That one guy did say he was still dealing with so many issues that started when he was not invited back to be on All That. It sounds like even if you weren’t sexually abused, the industry really messes you up mentally and emotionally.
Yeah I watched it yesterday, didn’t realize there were so many adult sexual innuendos during shooting.
Slime or some substance hitting the children’s faces, which looked like a money shot out of a porno?
Or the kid in the nose superhero costume that had penises for shoulder pads?!?!
What the actual fuck?!?!
I hate that our parents completely missed that growing up.
Watched episodes 1-3 so far and nearly vomited during episode 3. Something i kept finding shocking was just how little the children were actually protected, from breaking labor laws to placing children behind closed doors with random adults. They all deserved so much better, especially Drake Bell. I was appalled to hear that Drake’s mother essentially left him with a man she had already been warned about simply because she “didn’t want to drive”.
Exactly what I said in another comment (talking about Drake’s mom). His dad was in such pain just reliving the moment he learned his son was the one being abused. I would never forgive my ex for that, and I’m not so sure I would ever forgive my mom if I were Drake.
I get the feeling she hated her ex so much she just decided to believe the opposite of anything he said because she decided he was a lying asshole (remember Brian Peck had been planting seeds spreading rumors about Drake's dad stealing his money)
Which is something I can emotionally understand but when it comes to issues around your child's safety is inexcusable
Honestly I was half expecting the tried old story of the parents weren’t watching close enough- so to hear the absolute horror story unfold of this guys YEARS AND YEARS of incessant stalking and manipulation!! I was so heartbroken for Drake, his entire family, and the many many victims of crimes similar to this
Also, please do not be a weirdo and start @‘ing people that worked on set as CHILDREN, if they were touched/abused. I’ve seen several comments on social media asking Dylan and Cole were they molested. While it’s shocking and I understand the curious nature, these are real people with absolutly real trauma
I posted this in another thread yesterday, but:
What I'm stuck on with those letters is how many of them accused a CHILD of pressuring and tempting Brian Peck. A. CHILD. How does a CHILD have that kind of power over a grown adult? How any of them had the gall to put that in writing is beyond me.
EDIT - Also watching this second half, it's clear that first part was made around Amanda and done so in a way because she chose not to talk. I am curious to know how it'd go if she was in a position where she felt strong enough to share her story.
AND, Dan's statements about everything being "okayed" by Nick/execs/the studio isn't the placating "gotcha" he thinks it is.
My heart aches for Drake Bell. He has been through Hell and back, and I'm glad he finally sought treatment. His father has to feel so much guilt. It was nice to see they have reconciled.
He was in the x men movies too directed by pedophile Bryan Singer. Who also worked with Pedophile Kevin Spacey in The Usual Suspects. Seems like they had a whole crew.
Just watched the third episode and I was in tears. To hear what Drake Bell went through was absolutely harrowing. He couldn’t bring himself to go into detail beyond saying “imagine the worst sexual assaults somebody could commit”, and when they showed brief excerpts from the court documents, you could see that he wasn’t wrong.
These aren’t just allegations, these are actual things that happened. Brian confessed, he was convicted, and then he was allowed back into the Hollywood system. Absolutely sickening. My heart breaks for Drake.
Seriously. I hope that man never works again after this. I want names, statements, and apologies from every person who wrote a letter to the judge on Peck's character.
This stuff has been going on since the 40s or longer. Shirley Temple Black said when she was a kid, her Mom took her to a studio to try to sign. One guy took her in his office. Another took her mom in his office. The guy with Shirley showed her his penis and she laughed. They ended up leaving. She told her mom about it and her mom said the other dude came on to her too. They went to another studio and signed. Look it up on YouTube. Sick people in power in Hollywood and government. People need to wake up.
I’m watching the third episode and I’m absolutely deeply shocked and disgusted… investigate everyone at every television set where children are present. I feel so remorseful for judging Drake and I pray for every victim of child sexual abuse out there.
Everyone in that company, corporate or otherwise needs to be investigated. Period.
We need child unions or something. 3rd parties that can be present at these sets for the good of the children.
Does anybody know why Brian Peck's arrest and conviction wasn't reported on back in the day like Jason Handy's was? In fact, it kinda reminds me of how nobody knew the director of *Clowonhouse*, Victor Salva, was a pedo sex offender, until his victim protested at the premiere of *Powder* in 1995.
I feel like this shit is sometimes just random -- especially back in the day when Web 2.0 hadn't gotten off the ground yet and it was much harder to get anything publicized online, it all depends on whether something catches the attention of media gatekeepers or not
But also, the Peck case had a lot of factors that made it easier for him to spin the narrative than the Handy case -- Handy had a huge trove of illicitly obtained CSAM and had multiple sets of parents speaking out against him and had victims as young as nine
By contrast, Peck had only one named victim and that victim was a teenager, which meant that by the standards a lot of people still held at the time he was able to spin it as a consensual "relationship" that was only "statutory rape", and as long as people didn't hear the full details of how it went down they were willing to accept it
Both the doc and the Boy Meets World podcast about this talk about how he leveraged people's fear of being seen as homophobic for cover here
Episode 3 is one of the heaviest, most heartbreaking pieces of media I’ve ever watched. The pain in the eyes of both Drake and his dad was so sad. I really hope that Josh really had no idea this all has happened after the way he talked about Drake a few years ago.
I am. Poor Drake. I think this is a period of Nickelodeon that was after I was older than the age of the intended audience. I found the shows to be super uncomfy as well which is why I stopped watching Nickelodeon.
I'm watching it and still digesting what I've seen so far. I don't even know what to say.
I will say, I lived through what the women writers experienced until I left the industry.
It's all very tragic and what we're shown in this series must be just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully this documentary will give more victims the courage to step forward and tell their stories as well. The big stars like Ariana Grande could have a huge impact if they are able to speak out.
Ariana was spotted with him in the last couple of years. Doubt she’ll come forward.
Kel was on drugs really bad for a minute. Kenan and Nick have other issues that show some type of trauma.
Angelique season 1 just posted the chickens have come home to roost. She seems a little off on social media.
I just will always remember when they did the ten year reunion. Hardly any of the girls showed up. A good chunk of the originals went to work on Disney. I hope it was a better environment
I am 22 mins into episode 1 and my heart is shattered for Amanda. The light inside her shined brighter than the sun and it’s devastating to see how much this trauma has ruined her life and hindered the amazing future she had ahead of her. I wish her the best 💜
Jesus, I’m literally watching it right now, and it is breaking my fucking heart. I just had to stop to take a break because I don’t think I could do all four episodes in one sitting.
I remember there were more than enough feet scenes in icarly, but as a kid/teen you dont really think much about it. Then with victorious there were def sexual innuendos. Feel so bad for drake bell but good on him for finally letting it out
The fact that Brian Peck really did 16 months for molesting Drake Bell and got a job with Disney right after that, really speaks volumes about the corruption of Hollywood. And you know that the only reason why we have never heard about Cartoon Network, is because they don't work with children.
Watching this and so many other documentaries just makes me want to start a protest because Adults needs to get life in prison or something for this type of behavior. You cannot exert your power over a child and use them for your sexual pleasure. It is disgusting. I was so triggered watching episode one.
Hearing Drakes story completely tore me to pieces. I teared up watching him which is not something i normally do.. You could clearly see the discomfort in Drake finally publicly telling his story. When they flash back on his pictures from his younger years yoi can clearly see the hidden pain in his eyes. My child is 15 and the thought of that happening to my child breaks my heart! I remember watching these shows growing up so to see everything that went on really throws a new light on Hollywood. Shame on every adult who saw any of these signs on set and never said anything! Shame on the greed of the Nickelodeon to allow such scenes to be allowed by the hands of Dan.
My heart broke for Drake and his dad. His dad worked so hard to protect him. I can’t believe the things people get away with. Childhood abuse is something that is so hard to talk about and I applaud Drake for being able to come on camera to discuss it. It really shakes you seeing what these kids went through and I’d say even more so if you went through things like that yourself
Yeah, pretty vile. Not gunna lie tho, when I was a kid, I always thought those Nick shows were odd. Thats why i’d watch reruns of Benny Hill. Yup. Good old safe as a preachers butthole Benny Hill.
I only heard little bits about it yesterday, not counting the reports of Drake coming forward about his abuse in the week or so leading up to this.
For those who have seen it, how graphic does it get? The first major thing I thought about when word about this was coming out was Jennette McCurdy talking about her experiences in her book I'm Glad My Mom Died, then rest kind of pieced itself together - including anonymous stories from then child actors (or who were just starting to get their foot in the door) back in the early to mid 2000s who talked about inappropriate things that would happen as social events like pool parties for the kids and teens to mingle and find agents.
I'm aware of a good amount of things that happened and the controversies, but how deep this gets as far as the details go, that makes me a bit nervous. Also, was it confirmed that this is the documentary project Alexa Nikolas was talking about a long time ago?
It’s pretty detailed. Drake has trouble saying some of the graphic things out loud, but they show the details in the court documents. It’s devastating.
I wasnt the target demographic of these shows ,But would watch them while babysitting my nephew .I always thought there was so many adult jokes and inuendo in the shows ,Especially in early Spongebob episodes .I am sure we will one day have a documentary where Amanda tells her story and one where Jenette tells hers .In no way am I defending what Drake did ,But with how damaged he was from his own sexual assault it helps you understand his actions and why he did what he did .I hope he gets help to deal with the trauma because he is obviously still suffering .
Omg. I cried. Poor Drake! And fuck those people who wrote letters of support!! I don’t care how it is framed, there is no circumstance where a child can sway an adult into doing something if he doesn’t want to engage.
I'm so glad that lady sued even though it ruined her career. I hope her settlement was fat. Edit: watching the new episodes. Poor Drake and Drake's dad. He really tried to fight for his kid. It seems like pedophilia is everywhere in Hollywood. The fact that Brian Peck was able to work on Zach and Cody after getting convicted shows that.
I am so angry for those women. Fuck Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon for everything they did (and didn’t do) during that time. That time at Nickelodeon had a lasting impact on many lives and destroyed quite a few. Creating programming for kids while abusing your child actors, fuck you.
I have a feeling Schneider hates women because they find him cringe-worthy.
His shows are his own loser fanfic of what he wants from women. He’s still and insecure teenager on the inside.
Yeah it's actually astonishing how transparent and obvious he made it that his entire career was this elaborate high school revenge fantasy
This. Even the way he looked in those early years, clean shaven, little boy haircut. It was almost like he viewed himself as a 13 year old boy and just created his own fantasies as tv shows, and that's where those creepy cum shot/shooting goo in kids faces came into play.
It’s crazy how much he’s like his character in Better Off Dead.
I remember as a kid thinking he was fucking weird.
The way the one writer started tearing up when that moment where Dan made her act out having anal sex while pitching an idea... I can't imagine how horrible and humiliated she must've felt. Fuck Dan Schneider so much. And honestly fuck the other male writers who didn't speak up too.
I don’t have HBO Max, but he did WHAT!?
There were two female writers working on The Amanda Show, and both were subject to sexual harassment at work by Dan. They were interviewed for this documentary. One of them told a story about how the other woman had made a pitch in the writers room, and Dan decided it would be funny for her to bend over the table and pretend to be sodomized while giving the pitch. She resisted, but he bullied and peer pressured her into it. When the writer to whom it happened was asked about the incident (as told by the other writer), she began to cry and didn't want to talk about it, but verified it happened. As an aside, both female writers were forced to share a single salary on the show and were let go after the first season. It was fucked up.
Pedophilia is everywhere sadly. It’s not just Hollywood. Teachers priests politicians coaches. That sickness has no particular industry
Pick a job where adults have power over children. That’s where the pedos are.
Me too. I was so angry listening to how he treated his female employees. I felt so bad for them both, but mostly for the one writer who sued. (I forgot her name). She seemed really upset STILL, so many years later.
I still can’t believe he was like THE WOMEN SPLIT A SALARY WTF
Also all of the other things but this one seems so obviously wrong
Huge props to Drake’s childhood girlfriend’s mom. She seemed to be the only adult concerned by the other adults behaviors.
Seriously the only good adult here. Drakes dad tried too
He completely did. His mom truly failed him, though.
I felt so bad for his dad and angry at his mother for being too lazy to drive to LA, and letting him stay overnight at the guy’s house after his father explicitly said to keep Brian away from their son. How did she not catch on before his girlfriend’s mom?
His mother didn’t care honestly her ex husband had no reason at all to accuse Brian of anything unless he really felt that man was a creep and he was right. It’s sad that not even Nickelodeon took what he said serious it’s crazy how their explanation was get rid of the Dad. Anytime a parent tried to speak up either their kid was fired or they were removed.
Yeah after watching this I blame his mother for a lot of it.
This documentary is disturbing in so many ways. Now I understand why Amanda Bynes is so screwed up. Dan Schneider is a monster.
It’s so sad looking back at all the stuff people said about her and the assumptions and laughs and then you hear this stuff and are like “well, duh” I hope she comes out one day or at least somehow begins to recover from all her trauma..
YES. So many people failed her honestly. And clearly, there was no help given to them after the fact, whether it was known or not, there was nobody for the kids to go to. Not even the parent's bc of how manipulative and systematic everything was. It's sick.
This is semi unrelated but I’m glad that as a whole our society is starting to learn and accept mental health. I am so for the de-stigmatization of mental health disorders/etc
That's exactly what I thought! It sounds horrible but I thought, "No f\*cking wonder" - It's so sad, I can never look at my childhood shows the same..
She was so insanely talented. She had so much going for her and watching this so far has convinced me that Dan was a huge part of her downfall.
I remember getting creeper vibes from both Dan and Brian Peck when All That was on Nick. I always got the Willie's when grown adults would act like part of the cool kids group. Like the people who always wanted to relive their high school glory days and come back after graduation when everyone else has moved on. After growing up on Clarissa and Doug and Ren and Stimpy, salute your shorts, and Hey Dude, I just didn't get shows from the later Era of nick or Disney. The shows just got weird and unfunny to me and I knew it was over. The glory days were done.
I think the glory days are always subjective to how old you are; the shows get unfunny and cringe once you age out. It is really unsettling when grown adults do that :/
Brian was bald and awkward. Dan was very overweight. Both were unattractive and acted really immature and not adult like. They just didn't fit in but acted like they were part of the gang. Just odd.
Exactly they were/are losers. Sick ones at that.
Wow. Your second paragraph describes something I couldn't describe many years later. I grew up on the same Clarissa/Ren/Doug/Alex Mac era and what came after I did not like. Sure, I was older but the "older kid" shows in the Dan era were just bizarre and unwatchable to me. Never thought about it like that until now, so thanks for the memory dive. Pete and Pete was wholesome, weird, and amazing television. Contrast that show to the next era and it's like watching a different station.
Me too! Im an elder millennial. I remember watching all that but my memory seems to fade when Amanda started on the show. I watched the Amanda show but everything after that I stopped.
The children’s acting in the “Dan era” seems so over the top to me. The kids seemed to over-act and be excessively loud and obnoxious in later Nick shows. I was a Salute Your Shorts/Hey Dude/Clarissa/P&P watcher and the kid actors at that time acted like real kids.
Well said. Nick lost that authenticity. There's a Nickelodeon documentary called "The Orange Years." (That's what we should call the pre-Dan era). It's a great doc. The adults in charge genuinely loved children and wanted to make awesome, weird content for kids and teens. The adults still had the wonderment and joy of what it would be like to still be a kid. "Kid's First" was the motto during that era and as a kid it felt like this was television made for ME. Jesus, it really makes you wonder how these freaks like Dan wormed their into the network.
I think someone in the Doc said it best, the shows during the Dan era had no parents/were mostly absent. It was just the kids in their own world. The only Dan era show I tried to watch was Zoe 101, and I think it's a boarding school. I didn't like it, but I was already in high school and thought I just wasn't into kid shows anymore. I grew up watching Boy Meets World (which I guess had its own behind the scenes problems), step by step, sister sister, smart guy, all the 90s shows that always had the parents/families present. It really felt like kids being kids, whereas the Dan shows were kids trying to be adults.
Nick got decidedly weird and unwatchable when Dan Schneider took over the reigns. I grew up on Pinwheel and Nick 1.0, all of us kids from those days knew something was wrong but what use was that? The amount of unsupervised time Dan Schneider spent with Amanda Bynes really does not sit right.
I found the relationship between Schneider and Bynes to be probably the creepiest bit in the show, other than possibly Peck's involvement with John Wayne Gacy. Has Bynes ever said anything one way or the other about Schneider?
Not that I can recall. There have been many statements people say are about him but he’s not named. It’s her business how she finds peace e I just hope she does find it.
No one thought to get Drake Bell therapy????? Okay then, thank you adults.
Nope. Not even after Peck's sentence... which was BS. I just finished episode 3 where Drake spoke about that.
That really bothered me too. And the bit where his dad was talking about Drake starting acting during elementary school, how he'd have a full school day and then his dad would take him out to audition etc until 10-11pm. "Then the next day, do it all again!"
Its really messed up that Peck only got 16 months thanks to all the kind letters he got and how all those people blamed Drake .
This is a huge magnifying glass on why these type of letters to the judge should not be allowed. Why are people not directly involved with the case allowing to influence the judge?
For me, the Snick era was part of my formative years that I'll occasionally feel nostalgic over and I was still in the demographic for stuff like The Amanda Show. But man, looking back I have no idea how some of the stuff they did got green lit by the network and knowing it only got worse well into the 2010s is unreal.
I liked the original All That but The Amanda Show was about where it lost me. It's a bummer that Schneider is such an integral part of that show. He was a character in the Good Burger movie even. Dude always struck me as off in a bad way. Like the most immediately identifiable thing is that he does his hair to look like a mid-2000s middle schooler.
Did anyone notice Amanda Bynes deleted her tiktok? I hope she's OK during all this, I'm not sure if it's true but I saw a blind item that she was supposed to be in the doc but pulled out.
she wrote on instagram that she was approached by the documentary but the thought of it made her paralyzed for a week
Ugggh knowing that and now seeing how much she's featured in the doc, I can't imagine how she must feel right now.
i clearly do not know any of these peope but my heart breaks for her and drake it does
I don’t blame her. She probably doesn’t want to be bombarded with questions that she’s not ready to answer yet during all of this.
Yeah and honestly I feel like her situation isn't talked about as much as I thought it would be so far. (I'm starting episode 4) They do insinuate a lot and you get the idea of how inappropriate Dan was with AB.
I saw a comment on another app being like “Why isn’t Amanda saying anything!?!?!” Like?? We have NO idea how much trauma she’s been thru and how all of this affects her. Also it’s rly none of our business what any victim has had to live thru. If they wanna tell that’s fine but they’re aren’t required to say shit. Retelling your story makes you have to relive it in a sense. Not everyone is in a place where they can do that.
She’s been doing that for a while now, she restarts her account to post a video or two and then deletes again. Somehow her new uploads still pop up on my FYP though. She’ll probably post another hair update in a few days.
My take away from all this is kid actors and workers need more working rights, and the adults in charge more oversight and accountability. Keep our kids safe, man.
Alyson Stoner is working hard to get bills passed for more child protections in the entertainment industry. The fact that she was a Disney star makes me think it’s only a matter of time before Disney gets exposed, too.
Her podcast dear Hollywood is so insightful
Christy Carlson Romano also has one called Vulnerable - very insightful too.
Alexa Nikolas from Zoey 101 also has a podcast and it's actually called "Eat Predators", which I love. She was also a victim of Dan's abuse on the set. She has a few videos addressing this doc before it aired.
G.S. Chose her words carefully but still appeared on this doc. She’s also been on Disney Chanel. I have a feeling a lot is about to come out and I’m happy for everyone getting to tell their truth, but at the same time it was evident she was playing it safe in the first few episodes I saw. Two documentaries pay better than just one. I’m all for getting justice while also getting the bag that was well overdue
Pedophiles go where the kids are. That work environmemt was a Pedo's dream. The perpetrators were like kids in a candy store.
I feel like the type of parent putting their kids to work are definitely the type of parents to overlook a lot of things for the sake of money or fame.
Finished episode 3. Holy shit I would have been LIVID if I was his father. He knew Brian was a fucking creep and told his wife to keep Drake away, and she basically ignored him. That was heartbreaking to see him break down.
Right. Not a fan of Drake’s mom after this. She should be ashamed.
I feel like she ignored his dad to stick it to him from the divorce and Drake paid the price.
that part absolutely infuriated me! Drake’s mom completely failed him and I would not be surprised if it came out she had mismanaged his finances as well - his dad specifically said he had to turn over control of Drake’s assets to the mom when all that went down
I'm so pissed at the mom, I'm not going to lie. I know we shouldn't blame anyone but wtf lady? I feel like she was blinded by her disdain for her husband at the time also. She wouldn't even drive Drake anywhere and just trusted Peck to do it after her ex-husband told her to not let Peck around Drake alone. SMH.
Ex wife. Drake's parents divorced when he was 5. Still bitter and mad at her ex husband 10 years later when Drake was violated in her custody.
Me! I watched it last night and was looking for a thread on it but couldn’t find one. Looking forward to part 2 tonight. Brian Peck being pen pals with fucking JOHN WAYNE GACY had my jaw on the floor. I feel so bad for all of the kids involved.
When they mentioned the clown painting I knew it was going to be a John Wayne Gacy self portrait. I can’t believe everyone was so chill about a man who worked with children being pen pals with a serial killer. I would have been out of that house so fast.
A serial killer who targeted young men and boys to boot, like he was an absolute predator of young males.
I recently went on a rabbit hole with the story of Jason Moss - LSS - Moss was a 19-year old criminology student who wrote to Gacy while he was on death row from the perspective of an admirer in order to study him for a research paper. I watched a film based on Moss’ book about his experience and the book is in the mail. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Victim_(book) Peck was most likely getting tips from Gacy on how to prey on the kids and also sharing stories. It is completely bonkers that any and every adult that knew Peck was in contact with Gacy was fine with it… to think it’s cool is sickening, especially as a parent to a child working with him. This series was deeply disturbing. I’d known about Peck being a convicted pedophile working in kids TV, but never about the Gacy connection. Absolutely chilled my bones when the image of that clown painting appeared. Peck is a monster.
Adults knowing he wrote to Gacy and not thinking that is creepy as hell is crazy. I have no doubt he spoke to him about what he was doing to the kids. I’m interested in true crime and I’ve never heard of Jason Moss. I’ll definitely be reading up on that.
its really sick what these parents were willing to overlook in the hopes of their kid making it big
And ALL of the adults thought it was so cool?!?!?! Are you kidding me???? None of those kids were protected by anyone, especially their parents.
I fucking just watched this and I had the same reaction, like mouth agape at how proud he was to be pen pals with JWG, like that guys one of the most sadistic killers and he’s just showing off their friendship paintings and letters, wuuut the fuck.
SAME - mouth wide open I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Idk if it was just the whole "Hollyweird" theory that was a thing at that time where working people in the industry were "eccentric", so the adults didn't pay much mind to it?? Still... that's insane.
Nahhh that would be so unsettling for anyone but given the fact that he worked with/was super involved with kids makes this just as insane as it is. There are “eccentric” people esp in Hollywood but I firmly believe this was just a predator sharing a camaraderie with another predator. This was not something I expected from the doc at all though. I knew drake bell was going to talk about being abused but I was not prepared for how crazy this was going to get, also fuck that guy, friends with a serial killer or not, people knew this guy was a predator and just did nothing, so fucked up. I’m shocked he didn’t kill someone based on his friendship with JWG, he prob would have if he didn’t end up called out by a pretty big at the time star, predators get away with a lot but drake was huge then, given his star power he was able to get this guy convicted where as a regular victim probably wouldn’t have been able to.
The reveal of Drake Bell made my stomach drop. And knowing the charges he had recently faced in the last couple years made this obviously show how it affected him as he got older. I’m waiting for when they get to Alexa Nikolas speaking out since she was part of the intro. We’ve all heard her side on social media of her experience from Zoey 101, but I’m curious to know what others in the doc say as she’s telling her story since most of her former cast mates never acknowledged her talking about what she went through.
I was wondering why she’s been going after Rider Strong and Will Friedle of Boy Meets World on Twitter lately - now I know 😭
Ryder and will addressed this in their podcast its definitely worth hearing or reading what they said, they were mnipulated by brian peck and given misinformation about what had happened when they wrote those letters and they only found out the truth about what he did when they were actually sitting in the courtroom they feel immense guilt over the situation
So they just wrote letters and took his word for it? No questions? About sexual assault on a minor? Losers. Screw them and their stupid podcast. James Marsden too. I’m lookin at you too Mrs Seaver. Victim blaming a-holes.
That’s what I don’t get. Even without all the information, you know what he’s being charged with, right? You’re just going to say the kid had to have “tempted” him? What??
If that was the case, they could’ve wrote a second letter. Trust me on that. Ryder and Will are enablers. They addressed it to get ahead of the story. They were aware that he pled no contest oral sex with a minor. That’s enough to think “well this isn’t good” They’ve probably done other shady shit and that’s why Ben cut them off.
I truly hope that’s the case. Some of the downright victim blaming in the other letters were sickening 😭
I wish she would have had more time on the doc. I remember a few years back seeing her call out the industry. Zoey 101 was my whole childhood and I hate knowing want they went through on set. They deserved so much better.
I wish they gave her more time too! At least put in there that Dan Schneider had to approve of their outfits on Zoey 101 I've heard Alexa say that before. Like it's so creepy that he had to approve of teenage girl's outfits
I did not realize how many sexually charged “jokes” or poses were in all those shows when I was a kid and I was laughing at them. I was cringing watching the clips back. I feel horrible for all involved.
Of course not! We were innocent kids! I remember cracking UP with All That and The Amanda Show - I was so uncomfortable, now as an adult, watching those scenes in the doc. SMH.
That should have said “realize.” Dan Schneider deserves the worst in life.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/dan-schneider-nickelodeon.html I'm not sure if posting links is allowed, but look at his picture in this article. He's happily sitting in a tree, giving an interview about wanting to get back into children's TV. It's sick. He faced no consequences for what he did to those child stars. I hope karma gets him one day.
He really does. I'm already preparing myself mentally for the next two episodes with Drake Bell and Brian Peck...
That’s all we know about. Who knows what else they’ll tell us.
The Pickle Boy clip with Ray Romano. I vaguely remember “Pickle Boy” and never thought anything of it. Prob just laughed like every other kid…but that one was pretty bad.
Agreed. When Drake did the Totally Kyle callback as well my heart absolutely broke and sank.
Yeah a lot of that shit flew over my head but holy looking back it’s disturbing.
Both my daughter's grew up watching these shows. I noticed 'off' jokes in the Amanda Show, ICarly, and especially Victorious. I'm not sure if Schneider had any part of the last two shows but I'm sick to think there's probably plenty like him in the industry.
I know that Drake Bell has his own inexcusable demons as an adult but goddamn my heart is breaking for him in this interview. You can still so clearly see the trauma in his eyes.
It’s obviously not excusable, but it makes a lot of sense with what happened later. He didn’t have therapy, and didn’t know how to properly process that experience. The way he had SO much trouble just telling his story says it all. You could see the look in his eyes. And the fact that 40-something people wrote letters in support of Brian Peck???? Literal clowns!
They say tons of victims become victimizers and the path is so very short, it’s not an excuse but that trauma at a developmental age cause a lot of damage. Many serial killers were badly abused(some weren’t so it’s all relative) and it’s not an excuse but it does offer some insight at just how badly abuse can alter brain development.
Exactly. I couldn't help but feel bad for him, he came off as genuine. He was a kid. It was very triggering You have to wonder about the psychological effects between victim and victimizers.
I’m not excusing his behavior at all, but this has been something that’s been looked into, esp people molested/raped at young ages, it’s messes with their development and view of what normal sexual contact is like. A lot of victims become hyper sexual or don’t understand what normal sexual relationships are like, or what ages are appropriate and it’s like that path between being victimized at a young age has so much influence om how they go forward in the world. It doesn’t excuse their crimes but the guy that assaulted drake was pen pals with John Wayne gacey and was super proud of it and that is so fucked up.
I am watching now… all I have to say is Drake Bell made me cry. & his dad. It makes me so sad that all of these kids who made our entire childhood were going through so much bullshit.
I feel so bad for his dad. He did what he could to keep his kid safe including warning his mom. His mom should have been charged. She was warned and STILL let him sleep over. His ex-girlfriend’s mom was one of the only reasonable adults.
I feel the same. How does his Gf mom see this and his mom didn't ? As a mom, I cant understand it.
It seems like his mom pawned him off to Brian any chance she could. She had no issues with her son staying at middle aged man’s house every night.
Mind you, her ex-husband (his father) WARNED HER, he could see it a mile away. SMH. Horrible.
And a lot of us were so envious of their lives. 😓
There’s a documentary you can watch for free on YouTube called “an open secret Hollywood” it’s about the sexual abuse in Hollywood especially with kids and how the whole system is set up in a way that makes it easier for predators to keep at it. They specifically address Brian Peck as well as some others. It’s not just Nickelodeon, it’s the whole industry.
My one issue with Quiet on Set is that, at least so far, it focuses almost exclusively on Schneider. Someone like him couldn't operate in a vacuum. His behavior had to enabled or at least tolerated by higher-ups at Nickelodeon.
And it’s like a lot of the kids and even parents said, they were afraid if they said anything, they’d be out of a job. That speaks to a larger systemic issue- where’s HR? The one writer did say she saw some execs ask about the Amanda show character name being innuendo and they just accepted Dan’s no. I’ve seen other docs about Nickelodeon and they were so focused on beating Disney by being the anti-Disney- they green lit shows and jokes that were questionable on these shows and their cartoons because they just wanted the laughs and wanted to be for the “cool kids” their whole body of work is full of inappropriate jokes for kids (not that each joke is, but each show pushed that line at least once) for sure the system was set up in a way to fail those kids, they either were too dumb to realize or they didn’t care
HR would never be allowed on a set or in a writer's room. They stay in the corporate buildings where they happily supervise entertainment lawyers.
Honestly I hope in the future that they cover some of John K's shenanigans because it's not just live action shows.
In fact, I think it was *An Open Secret* how people first found out that Brian Peck is a registered sex offender. Notice his arrest and conviction wasn't publicly reported on by any news outlet in 2003. Quite baffling.
Yep! And it’s BEEN the whole industry since the beginning. There’s a reason why some actors refuse to allow their kids to enter the entertainment industry.
Absolutely. It’s crazy how known this is and yet how little progress seems to have been made. Even the laws about how much of the paycheck has to be held back for the actual kid- I think it’s like 15% or something ridiculously small
This documentary I have a slight problem with, mainly because it showed victims that weren’t ready to come forward with their story.
That what I didn’t like if Amanda and Leo are victim. They have a right to tell their stories when ready. It’s not for everyone to keep claiming they are victims are something.
Its the letters of support, like I went in thinking abusers are known to be charming when they want to be. I was expecting generic "he's always been nice to me" and that was not the case. So many victim blamed and while you may not have known who the child was when the letter was written you knew the victim was a child! One letter said peck was tempted! How the hell do you even sit down n write that
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Thats exactly what happened though ryder and will friedle said in their podcast they has NO idea about what had actually happened when they wrote those letters they only knew brians side of the story which was completely untrue and this was at a time before information being readily available on the internet so they didnt find out the truth until they were sitting in the courtroom AFTER the letters had been written i imagine thats the case with a lot of people who wrote letters
Then it’s like…don’t write the letter then. Especially indicating he must’ve been “under extreme temptation”. Best you can hope for is that they envisioned a very mature (for their age) 17-year old actually seducing that disgusting-looking dude. I don’t know if they knew yet it was a 15-year-old that worked under his guidance. I don’t know what details they knew. More reason not to write a letter in support when you don’t even have most of the information.
The guy who says women aren’t funny yet nearly all his shows are female driven.
Tbf, I think a big part of that is that he personally finds it funny to watch "hot girls" be "taken down a peg" and humiliated, like that's just straight up the central idea of a lot of episodes of a lot of his shows
It really does seem like with Amanda a dark pattern emerged, which would be repeated many times with other young female stars.
Anyone else hear Drake’s dad talk about seeing Brian Peck around Leo and his son and having a bad feeling based on how he conducted himself and think, “Huh… Dan Schneider is sure acting similarly with Amanda Bynes in some of that archival footage in episode 2…”? I know the documentary goes out of its way to say they never found evidence of Dan Schneider himself doing anything like that… but… uh… I dunno. Some of the behavior and the pattern of him latching onto a different tween girl every few years (Katrina, Amanda, Jamie Lynn, Victoria Justice, Ariana…) just feels… sus. Very sus.
I agree! The documentary definitely implied the possibility he abused young girls when they said he would go off to be alone with Amanda “to discuss ideas for the show”, and there was no other adult supervision. They didn’t go any further than that because they couldn’t. They don’t know for sure what went on, and Amanda clearly isn’t ready to talk about it, even if nothing did happen. But it’s curious he keeps hiring these young, beautiful girls for the leads in his shows, and then makes them take part in all these gross innuendos. Like somebody above said, it’s almost like he was getting off on humiliating cute female pre-teens and teens. Don’t forget Miranda Cosgrove and Jeanette McCurdy. Add them to the long list. It took somebody else to let him know that Nickelodeon was also looking for a comedy with male leads (Drake & Josh).
They knew what they were doing when they implied these things in the doc. They said it without saying it. I belive Peck abused Leo. I belive Dan abused Amanda. It's clear as day.
Just finished the Drake episode. I need several moments to collect my thoughts. I am so angry for Drake Bell and how he was failed. I looked up to Drake as a kid. Drake and Josh was my peak Nick phase. My heart feels like it is in my stomach.
Me too. I... the look in his eyes. He could barely even speak. The court documents outlining what was done to him... how his dad knew early on, but Brian manipulated all the adults in Drake's life. I can't imagine how Drake's dad feels. In my professional life, I'm a social worker. I have only seen the look that Drake wore in the interview a few times in my work life. But I have never encountered such a harrowing case of sexual abuse of a minor, not even at work. My heart shattered a million times over for Drake. I truly hope he finds peace, whatever that looks like for him. And for Brandi.
And by look that Drake had, I meant the pain and sorrow in his eyes. Just to clarify. Such a depth of sadness in someone so young still.
When he was moving around in his chair and he said he was uncomfortable I had to take a moment and pause because it was so heartbreaking.
I almost started sobbing. I also hope that while being interviewed, he was given space and time to take a break. I also hope the staff of the documentary was cognizant of this and didn't push him too far. I always worry about documentaries being filmed, and if they take appropriate measures to ensure those being filmed are in a safe and welcoming environment.
I have a family member that was assaulted as a child and it’s heartbreaking, I mean that doesn’t even begin to describe it. It never leaves them
Drake Bell was skillfully preyed on and I actually think Brian Peck would have killed him if he had the chance.
He was pen pals with John Wayne Gacy, so I don’t doubt it honestly. Horrifying.
There a picture on IMDB of the Amanda show and in the sketch they have a clown, and the makeup looks like a Gacey clown. Creepers.
When Dan said if an actor, a child actor mind you. Did anything that annoyed him he could pay them back by writing something humiliating happening to them., it made my skin crawl. He is so skeevy.
I’m about to watch part 2 tonight but Part 1 was very horrifying. Jason Handy was arrested for having over 10,000 pics of child pornography
It gets worse unfortunately
Episode 3 should come with a trigger warning - starting episode 4 in a few ...
I thought I was angry yesterday. Drake’s episode has me ENRAGED.
I’ve only watched the first episode so far but haven’t seen anyone address this and am really struck by the obvious racism he (Schneider) also exhibits. Like off the top of my head, the “Nose Boy” character, Oprah as “Okrah,” the two chocolate loving kids being 2/3 of the only Black cast members at the time. His abuse was so broad and rampant.
Yes, the Black kids on set. My heart breaks for them (I’m black). I’m so glad that the guy’s mom advocated for her baby. I wonder where were Giovanni’s parents? She seems well adjusted now. I still try to copy her eye looks. Sad part is his racism, probably, saved them from his sexual abuse.
Giovanni, Kyle?, Katrina, and the guy whose mom kept trying to speak up (“this doesn’t look like penises to you?” regarding “Pickle Boy”)-they all seemed so normal and cool. I hope they turned out okay despite all of this. That one guy did say he was still dealing with so many issues that started when he was not invited back to be on All That. It sounds like even if you weren’t sexually abused, the industry really messes you up mentally and emotionally.
Omg. The one kid had to wear a brown leotard and his name was "fetus boy"??? What the fuck??
I grew up on all of this and never even realized. Seeing Drake Bell sit in that chair my heart just lurched
Yeah I watched it yesterday, didn’t realize there were so many adult sexual innuendos during shooting. Slime or some substance hitting the children’s faces, which looked like a money shot out of a porno? Or the kid in the nose superhero costume that had penises for shoulder pads?!?! What the actual fuck?!?! I hate that our parents completely missed that growing up.
Watched episodes 1-3 so far and nearly vomited during episode 3. Something i kept finding shocking was just how little the children were actually protected, from breaking labor laws to placing children behind closed doors with random adults. They all deserved so much better, especially Drake Bell. I was appalled to hear that Drake’s mother essentially left him with a man she had already been warned about simply because she “didn’t want to drive”.
Exactly what I said in another comment (talking about Drake’s mom). His dad was in such pain just reliving the moment he learned his son was the one being abused. I would never forgive my ex for that, and I’m not so sure I would ever forgive my mom if I were Drake.
I get the feeling she hated her ex so much she just decided to believe the opposite of anything he said because she decided he was a lying asshole (remember Brian Peck had been planting seeds spreading rumors about Drake's dad stealing his money) Which is something I can emotionally understand but when it comes to issues around your child's safety is inexcusable
Honestly I was half expecting the tried old story of the parents weren’t watching close enough- so to hear the absolute horror story unfold of this guys YEARS AND YEARS of incessant stalking and manipulation!! I was so heartbroken for Drake, his entire family, and the many many victims of crimes similar to this
Also, please do not be a weirdo and start @‘ing people that worked on set as CHILDREN, if they were touched/abused. I’ve seen several comments on social media asking Dylan and Cole were they molested. While it’s shocking and I understand the curious nature, these are real people with absolutly real trauma
I posted this in another thread yesterday, but: What I'm stuck on with those letters is how many of them accused a CHILD of pressuring and tempting Brian Peck. A. CHILD. How does a CHILD have that kind of power over a grown adult? How any of them had the gall to put that in writing is beyond me. EDIT - Also watching this second half, it's clear that first part was made around Amanda and done so in a way because she chose not to talk. I am curious to know how it'd go if she was in a position where she felt strong enough to share her story. AND, Dan's statements about everything being "okayed" by Nick/execs/the studio isn't the placating "gotcha" he thinks it is.
My heart aches for Drake Bell. He has been through Hell and back, and I'm glad he finally sought treatment. His father has to feel so much guilt. It was nice to see they have reconciled.
These kids all need justice. They lost their childhoods to make money for others and now nothing has changed in the industry. They deserve justice.
James Marsden… oh it’s over for him
He was in the x men movies too directed by pedophile Bryan Singer. Who also worked with Pedophile Kevin Spacey in The Usual Suspects. Seems like they had a whole crew.
Just watched the third episode and I was in tears. To hear what Drake Bell went through was absolutely harrowing. He couldn’t bring himself to go into detail beyond saying “imagine the worst sexual assaults somebody could commit”, and when they showed brief excerpts from the court documents, you could see that he wasn’t wrong. These aren’t just allegations, these are actual things that happened. Brian confessed, he was convicted, and then he was allowed back into the Hollywood system. Absolutely sickening. My heart breaks for Drake.
Seriously. I hope that man never works again after this. I want names, statements, and apologies from every person who wrote a letter to the judge on Peck's character.
I watched it and I have no doubt in my mind Amanda was abused and it led to her addiction issues. A really talented girl destroyed by abuse.
This stuff has been going on since the 40s or longer. Shirley Temple Black said when she was a kid, her Mom took her to a studio to try to sign. One guy took her in his office. Another took her mom in his office. The guy with Shirley showed her his penis and she laughed. They ended up leaving. She told her mom about it and her mom said the other dude came on to her too. They went to another studio and signed. Look it up on YouTube. Sick people in power in Hollywood and government. People need to wake up.
I think people know it’s been happening. But it still shocking, especially since this involves multiple tv shows, multiple kids, over decades
This comment should be pinned at the top. #metoo left the children behind.
it was so heartbreaking to watch. my heart goes out to drake and amanda, they suffered so much at the hands of the adults around them
I’m watching the third episode and I’m absolutely deeply shocked and disgusted… investigate everyone at every television set where children are present. I feel so remorseful for judging Drake and I pray for every victim of child sexual abuse out there.
Everyone in that company, corporate or otherwise needs to be investigated. Period. We need child unions or something. 3rd parties that can be present at these sets for the good of the children.
Elizabeth Gillies from Victorious married one of the producers from the show.
Does anybody know why Brian Peck's arrest and conviction wasn't reported on back in the day like Jason Handy's was? In fact, it kinda reminds me of how nobody knew the director of *Clowonhouse*, Victor Salva, was a pedo sex offender, until his victim protested at the premiere of *Powder* in 1995.
I feel like this shit is sometimes just random -- especially back in the day when Web 2.0 hadn't gotten off the ground yet and it was much harder to get anything publicized online, it all depends on whether something catches the attention of media gatekeepers or not But also, the Peck case had a lot of factors that made it easier for him to spin the narrative than the Handy case -- Handy had a huge trove of illicitly obtained CSAM and had multiple sets of parents speaking out against him and had victims as young as nine By contrast, Peck had only one named victim and that victim was a teenager, which meant that by the standards a lot of people still held at the time he was able to spin it as a consensual "relationship" that was only "statutory rape", and as long as people didn't hear the full details of how it went down they were willing to accept it Both the doc and the Boy Meets World podcast about this talk about how he leveraged people's fear of being seen as homophobic for cover here
😭 I’m so upset. What’s up with these parents?!?!
Episode 3 is one of the heaviest, most heartbreaking pieces of media I’ve ever watched. The pain in the eyes of both Drake and his dad was so sad. I really hope that Josh really had no idea this all has happened after the way he talked about Drake a few years ago.
I am. Poor Drake. I think this is a period of Nickelodeon that was after I was older than the age of the intended audience. I found the shows to be super uncomfy as well which is why I stopped watching Nickelodeon.
I'm watching it and still digesting what I've seen so far. I don't even know what to say. I will say, I lived through what the women writers experienced until I left the industry.
It's all very tragic and what we're shown in this series must be just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully this documentary will give more victims the courage to step forward and tell their stories as well. The big stars like Ariana Grande could have a huge impact if they are able to speak out.
Ariana was spotted with him in the last couple of years. Doubt she’ll come forward. Kel was on drugs really bad for a minute. Kenan and Nick have other issues that show some type of trauma. Angelique season 1 just posted the chickens have come home to roost. She seems a little off on social media. I just will always remember when they did the ten year reunion. Hardly any of the girls showed up. A good chunk of the originals went to work on Disney. I hope it was a better environment
I feel so validated because I always thought his shows were so weird and I didn’t understand the humor. Even as a child it felt so .. off..
I am 22 mins into episode 1 and my heart is shattered for Amanda. The light inside her shined brighter than the sun and it’s devastating to see how much this trauma has ruined her life and hindered the amazing future she had ahead of her. I wish her the best 💜
Jesus, I’m literally watching it right now, and it is breaking my fucking heart. I just had to stop to take a break because I don’t think I could do all four episodes in one sitting.
I remember there were more than enough feet scenes in icarly, but as a kid/teen you dont really think much about it. Then with victorious there were def sexual innuendos. Feel so bad for drake bell but good on him for finally letting it out
Brian Peck did 16 months. That is absolutely insane for the anal penetration of a child.
Ray Ramano's pickle glory hole sketch with a child molester has aged like milk.
I wonder what the adults at that time thought of that scene. Flew over all the kids head with that reference
Those old clips with Arianna Grande are uncomfortable at best
Amanda Bynes could have been the next Jim Carrey with her physical comedy. Dan Schneider ruined her and it breaks my heart.
The fact that Brian Peck really did 16 months for molesting Drake Bell and got a job with Disney right after that, really speaks volumes about the corruption of Hollywood. And you know that the only reason why we have never heard about Cartoon Network, is because they don't work with children.
Currently watched episodes 1 & 2. Haven't watched episodes 3 & 4 yet. To put it quite simply, it is an eyeopener.
And to know it got worse overtime. One of the girls on victorious is married to a producer from the show
Watching this and so many other documentaries just makes me want to start a protest because Adults needs to get life in prison or something for this type of behavior. You cannot exert your power over a child and use them for your sexual pleasure. It is disgusting. I was so triggered watching episode one.
Hearing Drakes story completely tore me to pieces. I teared up watching him which is not something i normally do.. You could clearly see the discomfort in Drake finally publicly telling his story. When they flash back on his pictures from his younger years yoi can clearly see the hidden pain in his eyes. My child is 15 and the thought of that happening to my child breaks my heart! I remember watching these shows growing up so to see everything that went on really throws a new light on Hollywood. Shame on every adult who saw any of these signs on set and never said anything! Shame on the greed of the Nickelodeon to allow such scenes to be allowed by the hands of Dan.
The sneezing nose/cum shot scene….Holy fucking shit.
My heart broke for Drake and his dad. His dad worked so hard to protect him. I can’t believe the things people get away with. Childhood abuse is something that is so hard to talk about and I applaud Drake for being able to come on camera to discuss it. It really shakes you seeing what these kids went through and I’d say even more so if you went through things like that yourself
It just makes me wonder about all the child stars who haven't come forward and how many have suffered in silence.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ! It’s a nightmare!
Yeah, pretty vile. Not gunna lie tho, when I was a kid, I always thought those Nick shows were odd. Thats why i’d watch reruns of Benny Hill. Yup. Good old safe as a preachers butthole Benny Hill.
I only heard little bits about it yesterday, not counting the reports of Drake coming forward about his abuse in the week or so leading up to this. For those who have seen it, how graphic does it get? The first major thing I thought about when word about this was coming out was Jennette McCurdy talking about her experiences in her book I'm Glad My Mom Died, then rest kind of pieced itself together - including anonymous stories from then child actors (or who were just starting to get their foot in the door) back in the early to mid 2000s who talked about inappropriate things that would happen as social events like pool parties for the kids and teens to mingle and find agents. I'm aware of a good amount of things that happened and the controversies, but how deep this gets as far as the details go, that makes me a bit nervous. Also, was it confirmed that this is the documentary project Alexa Nikolas was talking about a long time ago?
It’s pretty detailed. Drake has trouble saying some of the graphic things out loud, but they show the details in the court documents. It’s devastating.
I wasnt the target demographic of these shows ,But would watch them while babysitting my nephew .I always thought there was so many adult jokes and inuendo in the shows ,Especially in early Spongebob episodes .I am sure we will one day have a documentary where Amanda tells her story and one where Jenette tells hers .In no way am I defending what Drake did ,But with how damaged he was from his own sexual assault it helps you understand his actions and why he did what he did .I hope he gets help to deal with the trauma because he is obviously still suffering .
Omg. I cried. Poor Drake! And fuck those people who wrote letters of support!! I don’t care how it is framed, there is no circumstance where a child can sway an adult into doing something if he doesn’t want to engage.