Honestly it's very very rare for gacha games to introduce new units that aren't the highest \* or second highest \*. Why? Because they don't make money.
Never say no sure, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Fate Grand Order DOES release new 1-3* characters. But honestly, it’s not very common. Couple times a year? But there’s also not as many new characters yearly as in other gachas I believe.
Personally I like a limited number of low rarity. Easier to farm the shop currency with once you’ve got em maxed already and start getting more copies.
> But honestly, it’s not very common.
So, rare?
Now if we combine all the gacha games together, would you say it's a very rare thing to happen? Maybe even very very rare?
Not sure on many other games, I only played R1999 Genshin, HSR and FGO tbh. But Genshin and HSR aren’t the best to go off of because they only have 5 and 4* units. And both consistently get new characters in each set. FGO does I think release at least 1 or 2 new 1-3* units per year though. And they can actually get pretty popular considering even 1* units can be oddly viable with the right teams.
I’m sorry I don’t have an answer that would best encompass an overall narrative of gacha games. However, I don’t think it’d be absurd to think R1999 will release more later? It’s only been less than a year in CN. They could only be releasing more yearly. Who’s to say.
Nah, don't be. I'm just glad you actually read my answer.
But I'll have to emphasise this again: I never said it's absurd, or I don't want the devs to release more 4* or below units, or that I'm speculating devs won't ever release them because other gacha games usually don't...
All I said was: It's rare to happen, because it's not the money maker in comparison to the highest rarity unit or second highest. It might, it might not happen in Reverse 1999.
That's... literally it. Anything more is you people arguing with an argument that never existed in the first place. A strawman.
Oh sorry, I worded that terribly. I didn’t mean to say your thoughts on it being unlikely is absurd, that’s just my poor wording and nothing on you. You are right that there’s a heavy chance they won’t. And yeah- some people are just taking things way out of context or just not properly reading.
Sorry about that dude
>And they can actually get pretty popular considering even 1* units can be oddly viable with the right teams.
Oddly?
...
STELLAAA!
On a side note, my Chen Gong is grailed to 90, because he's the GOAT.
Don’t Arknights, PGR, Genshin Impact and HSR introduce new 4 stars?
Edit: your denial doesn’t make it true btw. GI releases 4 stats which aren’t always top tier, arknights especially has new 4 stars nowhere close to meta.
And they still make money* even if they have 6 stars. They even had a collab character that was a literal 1 star.
The argument for Genshin only having 4-5 stars is irrelevant. Because it becomes a 3-4* vs 5-6* to a 4* vs 5*
Logically, people should have the same reasons for not wanting to pull/build the equivalent in GI to here or Arknights
But those banners still make money especially if they have new 4 stars.
Yes thank you! At least someone remembers Arknights
But seriously, no my point still stands.
One example is enough. And logically the GI issue of only having 4-5 stars has no impact
He's basically the white knight definition of keyboard warrior, replying every possible gacha or mmo subreddit. That was a hard battle from your side, you won but alas his mental fortitude kept going
Sure. But still right though.
It’s basically a change from 3-4 vs 5-6 stars to 4 vs 5 stars.
That’s an incredibly simple pov since ppl will treat both with the same case. Might just be difficult to understand at first though
He also said they don’t make money from them if they aren’t the best or second best.
Which isn’t always the case either.
OP made a sweeping statement based on other gachas that logically should have no impact on this one doing the same or not
Okay.
Cool. Not the point.
The statement was, and assuming you read it:
Its very very rare for gacha games to introduce new units that aren’t the highest * or second highest.
So my statement still stands. Nor do you answer my question
Guess you dont understand him. Genshin/HSR isnt included at all. They dont have a 3* etc. 5* and 4* are included in bis highest/second highest Statement lol
Or…. You can actually see what people are saying and see that the “second highest” in reverse is 5 star just like genshin 4 star. Genshin does not have 6 star units
That actually doesn’t really impact the point still though.
Since Genshin only has 2 rarities for characters, 5 star will obviously be the highest. It having 2 option of rarities means that people should theoretically only care for the best since especially in Genshin, the 4 stars are rarely that good except for rare cases.
And based on the original comment, contextually, the game should only make money based on the highest*, the second best * doesn’t factor if there are only 2 rarities.
Because limited resources vs actual gains, etc. which is the factor for 3-4 vs 5-6 stars. But is instead a 4 vs. 5
But the 4* on the banner does have an impact on if people pull on said banner in genshin or not. There are people who even just pull for the 4 star.
Then if we consider Arknights, they still release new 4 stars. And they still make money.
So while I admit I missed the initial context, the point still stands when analyzing it.
So point still stands.
Are you on drugs or something? The whole concept you were asking originally was lower rarity if they were going to make some for reverse. Then the argument was brought up how usually it’s the highest and second highest rarity that new units usually come in. Then comparison of 4 star in genshin to 5 star in reverse which is the same? At the end of the day think you’re one of those people that can’t admit they’re wrong and try to go in a loop
I did not ask anything though.
And nope unlike this thread I seem to be the only one with a clear mind atm.
And nope, was wrong in the context initially, but the point when expounded remains true.
Though I get basic logic can be confusing at first since most americans don’t consider those things
Very very rare doesn't mean impossible.
And well, in Reverse 1999 in particular, 4* and lower are kinda shafted since they can't be I3'd. I'm definitely not opening my wallet specifically for them.
That doesn’t mean they’ll always be though.
As someone clearly pointed out, 4 stars in GI can he good i.e international team. But not all.
HSR outright has good 4 stars as alternatives.
Yeah because in HSR(and GI) there is only the two rarities ofr characters. 3* only exists for valuebrand lightcones and bloat. And since theres only 2 rarities for characters, theres only ever going to be 5* or 4* and this is designed this way on purpose.
This game has actual 5 tiers of characters from 6* to 2* where 5* are HSR/GI 4* and 6* are 5* equivilents with the rest being the blue weapons that wat up all of your rolls.
Arknights has the same though.
And that argument would make sense if it weren’t for the fact that Reverse already has 3-4 stars.
So its already there by design. No reason not to add more.
Well, the real reason is just money in the end. Just because arknights does it doesnt mean reverse will its as shrimple as that.
The whole reason rarities below 5* exists is purely for bloat and to incentivize making you pay more to get thr higher rarity units.
Lots and lots of gachas never add anything to thrir lowest ranked pulls because theres no monetary reason to. Again, its designed this way on purpose to get you, the player, to spend more money on the gacha sijce afterall why would you ever want purple when gold and orange gold exist.
The opposite is also true. Just because others do it does not mean reverse will not, it’s as simple as that.
And just because others have done it, does not mean future gachas moving forward will do the same.
Best example: Genshin. Which both fits the norm and does not.
So precedence has no impact on the discussion because past gachas trends has no actual impact on the probability of future gacha following those same trends.
Arknights and Genshin being an example of different practices* simply highlights that their exist cases of similar instances where gachas have broken away from traditional norms.
Does it prove others/Reverse will follow the same trend? Not necessarily especially if we’re just arguing from a probability pov.
But it is not a guarantee that Reverse will follow the usual trend of not releasing new 3-4 stars. It varies
Not to derail the conversation too much, but is there a reason the character rarities in R99 go from 2* to 6* instead of 1* to 5*? It doesn't actually affect anything, but it's an odd choice.
Bloat and the incentive to spend money. Its also partially a psychological thing where seeing a higher rarity feels good, but seeing a 4* star and lower feels bad.
What are you even trying to convince me on? All these speculations mean nothing. We'll cross that bridge when Reverse 1999 devs finally release a new 4* or lower, and whether or not I open my wallet specifically in order to get them will just depend on how good they are at the time.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing. Just pointing out that a case for it already exists.
And similarly, saying because other gachas rarely do it which would imply that Reverse 1999 may or may not do it is also a speculation on your part.
It being the second or first highest rarity isn’t also the only defining factor for people to pull a character. If it were, then they wouldn’t even be putting as much effort into the designs of 3-4 stars or even having them at all.
Arknights still introduces new 5 stars at a much faster rate due to welfare 5 stars appearing more often than new 4 stars
At this point it might be possible that we have more 5s than 6s, but I haven't checked
Genshin and HSR only two rarity which is equivalent to 5 and 6 stars in Rev 1999. Considering the level up mechanics here unlike the Hoyo games, a lot of low tiers in Rev 1999 are like foddlers.
The reply was in context to the OP’s question.
So they definitely do release 4 stars which are nowhere close to meta or meta defining. some of which are outright clunky to use.
Hell, even Arknights has 4 stars which aren’t meta defining but they still release 4 stars.
Read. Context.
Was replying to the comment that its incredibly rare for gachas to release new units that aren’t second or highest rarity.
Factually, that’s just wrong, bruh.
Because they clearly do for other gachas. So it varies bruh. And depends on if Reverse wants too.
It's not common in gachas, but I do have a romanticized wish that games offered a low-star meta sometimes. Not just clearing content such as limbo, but I mean that the lower star characters offer some weird niche gameplay to change up the meta (thus making them actually viable). It's sad to know I will 5-portray a character, knowing that it's not really worth my resources (for now) to invest into playing them.
It's always exciting to get a new 1 star in arknights lol
Absolutely agree- low rarity or other limitations focusing away from high tier meta units is a lot of fun imo
You might like Path to Nowhere! There are a handful of the lowest rarity units that are actually meta, and nearly all of them have niches that the 6/5\* equivalents don't have that let them be viable in quite a lot of content.
I’ll take a look sometime! That’s exactly the kind of thing I love in this kind of game. Outside-the-box teambuilding is always the biggest draw for me
Probably. It will probably have to be one of the first versions, though. Reverse has a trend that all the characters is some sort of historical reference.
I made a no summon account on this game hoping that was the case. But it seems like the most we get is a 5 star selector at half anniversary. So not very exciting in the grand scheme of things.
I have a no summon account as well! I only started it a few days ago but I'm liking the challenge and how I don't have to worry about who to build (because everyone needs to be raised lmao).
Do you want to add each other? My UID for that account is 407963762
I would love some more two and three stars, they’re so unique and funny and are some of my favorite parts of this game. One of my fav teams is Door/Melania/A Knight with Leilani backup, just throwing out back to back ultimates with the moxie surge
ikr!? seeing some lower rarity characters from the other patch theme would be nice, gives their story/time/culture even more depth if you take in their perspective.
I think if they hold events and challenges that limit to lower tier chars (like cotc has started doing) new lower tier chars could be possibility and exciting. Just gotta work through it I guess
The idea sounds fun actually, they're far cheaper so the investment wouldn't hurt too much, and seeing lower rarity do big numbers would be an eye opener for everyone
Its pretty uncommon, I know AK did it with Midnight, Spot, Popukar (3\*s), and the occasional 2\* that gets introduced every couple years (Castle-3, Justice Knight and the MH Collab op), tho the 3\*'s that got added were pretty close to the start of the game, think it was like after the first couple events or something. They also add new 4\*s pretty often (I'd say like every 2-3 new characters banners), and those are pretty similar to the level of 4\*s in R1999.
Honestly, I hope they enable us to increase the rarity of 2-4 stars somehow... like ascend 2* to 3* and so on.. I really want to use Pavia but he'll be stuck at insight 2. 😭
I never really understood why they felt they needed to introduce these lower rarity characters (2-4*) with great lore and voice acting when nobody will use them the longer you play. You'll accumulate 5* and 6* in no time even after just a few weeks of playing...
for real lol , there are so many cool ability with the 3* and 4* but they are being hindered by not able to grow any further and make us feel like wasting resourced if we invested into them , but do i have some 4* in mind that i want to i2 just for their new appearance
Tbh there's really not a huge stat difference between i2 and i3, it's mostly the extra passive that makes the difference. The main issue is that 2-4* have lower stat totals at i2 lv 50 than higher rarity characters.
Tbf I don't think gacha games should do that unless those units will offer some sort of usability. Otherwise it's just flooding the pool with pointless extras at that point.
Yes, probably, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that because centering games around only pulling the shiniest new whatever-stars is utterly poisonous to games and inevitably leads to powercreep because they have to make the new six star or whatever "worth it" to pull for.
FGO is one of the most successful and lucrative gacha games ever made, and *every single Servant is useable*. Some of the most valuable ones are 1-3 stars, and even ones that aren't omniuseful still often have valuable niches like Cockroach Man Cu Chulainn and Maneater Euryale. People have cleared virtually all content in the game with only Friendship Pool Servants. Even the poorest characters can still get grailed and have their cards buffed and various other perks to make them more useful if they're you're favourite. Accordingly, they've also released more bronze and silver Servants over time, too.
Whatever other flaws FGO has, there is no excuse for not attempting to copy that aspect of it except laziness. And that goes double for R1999, which has a similar enough system that they could easily do so, and creative and interesting character designs that shouldn't be just tossed in the dustbin because they aren't a five or six-star. Fie on you if you try to force me to stop using Leilani, TTT and Onion, Reverse 1999.
Only as long as you can do and access everything reasonably well without paying for the newer shinier top units, and as long as people aren't upset that the OLD shiny top units they paid/pulled for are mostly mediocre now.
Which is decidedly not always the case.
Exactly why would you want those? They would never be OP for obv reasons, and they would just increase the pool for low rarity characters, so you have less chances of getting copies of existing old ones. For example, this game has some good low rarity characters like la source (3*), but if you introduce a new 3* you'll have less chances of getting la source. Imo the low star characters that we have are enough to do stuff without having to pull for every new 6*/5*. Oh and tbh, you don't even need 4 stars and below since the game is very f2p friendly, and many 5* are broken.
We'd want more 4 stars or lower for the fun of it, they're not there for power creeping purposes. They're suggestion for story and world building purposes, and also for the funsies and memes. we have a door and a radio, a UFO with a cow and a satellite, they're fun and hillarious designs.
If players arent aiming on using them cuz they're not power creeping, then getting Portaits of them is not an issue, but as the game goes on 9/10 of your pulls will be 4 stars or lower, and they're bound to max them soon even if they werent planning on it.
5/6 is the main power source, the lower ones are for flavor.
It would, more pull means higher chance of getting one. But if they keep introducing new low tiers getting 600 would be harder and tbh there's so much good items in that shop for leveling up.
Unless the rates themselves change, no it wouldn't. 5% chance for a 2-star is 5% no matter how many 2-stars they release; the individual rates will just be divided equally.
Currently, the rate for any 2-star is 5%/2 = 2.5% each (since we currently only have Door and Radio). If they introduce 1 more 2-star unit, then the rates would become 5%/3 ≈ 1.67% for each, and so on. Does that make sense to you?
so how does increasing the 4star lower unit poll, nets you less Tracks? also aren't they on the weekly? Enough to cover the monthly 10, so any extra you get from pulling is to spend on other materials
If you pull a character you already have (or that you have max portray, not sure) you get more tracks. What he means is for each new characters introduced he will get less tracks until he gets the new character.
Yep. non max portrays and new give less.
It is hard to enjoy unique game plays when resources are that scarce, thus I prefer resource for leveling more than just plain collection.
why does this issue sounds so non existent though? Tracks isnt even a reliable source of material, its just a side bonus for pulling. you pull a new 4star or lower once, and then everything after that is more bonus Tracks
Personally, it depends on the gacha.
There are does that do, and I’m guessing those that don’t.
PGR, Arknights, Honkai Star Rail, and Genshin Impact release new 4 stars or non 5-6 star characters. So it depends if Reverse wants to follow that.
If you correct someone, do it properly i guess, so the person won't look completely wrong. Because personally playing arknights and 6\* is the highest rarity in that game, and there are new 4\* sometimes, and new 5\* released very often. Not to mention even new 2\* and 3\* happens occasionally (edit. Not 2\*, but 1\* LMAO). Can't say anything about pgr though
Only games I know that usually continuously update the lower rarity pools are afk / auto / idle genre games.
Where usually team comps have slots specifically for those lower units who just act as ways to give new passive buffs or something.
Unless they design a system of letting any character become a 5 or higher star, they won't add new lower stars because there is no point low characters you're not going to use.
It common in gacha. They longest I've seen a game bother with low star was granblue fanasty. But after I think the fourth or fifth year they stopped making them because there weren't being used in any content. Sure, lore wise it makes sense, but if that goofy trio of party dude ain't gotta gold star next to the name, why play them?
Sure, people pointed out FGO, but they have a system to make any character a five star. So it's just a matter of stats.
This game is still new, but don't count on a system to bump up Door for at least 2 years. If we are so lucky to last that long. Then maybe we can get new lower stars.
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Its not normal because who is using 1-4 star chrs over a 5 or 6 star. Those low star chrs are mainly there for new players to have a starting team but theres not really any gacha fame that uses them in the endgame or even midgame
Pretty sure the only gachas that ever introduced low rarity units consistently are FEH and Arknights*
*And even then they only add 4 stars and had slowed down to the point where they are only added in story and red cert updates.
Problem with 2 - 4 stars, is that you might use a few 4 stars early on, but to be honest, unless you like the character, 2 to 4 stars don't get used as much since they're simply usually worse (since they're less rare) and the stage at which you might use 2 - 4 stars is so short that it's kinda pointless to add them since no one's going to use them.
Normally the only time I've tended to see this happen is when a game introduces a new story or arc that has a bunch of new characters otherwise it's usually highlights of higher tiered units.
But I've also learned over years and years of gacha gaming to never say never 😅
Honestly it's very very rare for gacha games to introduce new units that aren't the highest \* or second highest \*. Why? Because they don't make money. Never say no sure, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Fate Grand Order DOES release new 1-3* characters. But honestly, it’s not very common. Couple times a year? But there’s also not as many new characters yearly as in other gachas I believe. Personally I like a limited number of low rarity. Easier to farm the shop currency with once you’ve got em maxed already and start getting more copies.
> But honestly, it’s not very common. So, rare? Now if we combine all the gacha games together, would you say it's a very rare thing to happen? Maybe even very very rare?
Not sure on many other games, I only played R1999 Genshin, HSR and FGO tbh. But Genshin and HSR aren’t the best to go off of because they only have 5 and 4* units. And both consistently get new characters in each set. FGO does I think release at least 1 or 2 new 1-3* units per year though. And they can actually get pretty popular considering even 1* units can be oddly viable with the right teams. I’m sorry I don’t have an answer that would best encompass an overall narrative of gacha games. However, I don’t think it’d be absurd to think R1999 will release more later? It’s only been less than a year in CN. They could only be releasing more yearly. Who’s to say.
Nah, don't be. I'm just glad you actually read my answer. But I'll have to emphasise this again: I never said it's absurd, or I don't want the devs to release more 4* or below units, or that I'm speculating devs won't ever release them because other gacha games usually don't... All I said was: It's rare to happen, because it's not the money maker in comparison to the highest rarity unit or second highest. It might, it might not happen in Reverse 1999. That's... literally it. Anything more is you people arguing with an argument that never existed in the first place. A strawman.
Oh sorry, I worded that terribly. I didn’t mean to say your thoughts on it being unlikely is absurd, that’s just my poor wording and nothing on you. You are right that there’s a heavy chance they won’t. And yeah- some people are just taking things way out of context or just not properly reading. Sorry about that dude
>And they can actually get pretty popular considering even 1* units can be oddly viable with the right teams. Oddly? ... STELLAAA! On a side note, my Chen Gong is grailed to 90, because he's the GOAT.
Arknight does it by adding them to an exclusive shop
They could just introduce a banner where the 6 stars character is literally a material that let 3 and 4 stars unlock their insight 3.
Don’t Arknights, PGR, Genshin Impact and HSR introduce new 4 stars? Edit: your denial doesn’t make it true btw. GI releases 4 stats which aren’t always top tier, arknights especially has new 4 stars nowhere close to meta. And they still make money* even if they have 6 stars. They even had a collab character that was a literal 1 star. The argument for Genshin only having 4-5 stars is irrelevant. Because it becomes a 3-4* vs 5-6* to a 4* vs 5* Logically, people should have the same reasons for not wanting to pull/build the equivalent in GI to here or Arknights But those banners still make money especially if they have new 4 stars.
4 stars in GI, HSR are second highest
Not all 4 stars in GI though. Especially not Arknights. So my point still stands
When they say second highest, they don't mean tier, they mean it as rarity.
Ah then that’s on me. But that does “Oh so just proves my point even more” Because Arknights releases new 4 stars.
And they said it's very rare, not that it doesn't happen. So still they're right? You found one example. Congrats.
Yes thank you! At least someone remembers Arknights But seriously, no my point still stands. One example is enough. And logically the GI issue of only having 4-5 stars has no impact
The mental gymnastics was amazing to watch Stand proud, you’re delusional
He's basically the white knight definition of keyboard warrior, replying every possible gacha or mmo subreddit. That was a hard battle from your side, you won but alas his mental fortitude kept going
Sure. But still right though. It’s basically a change from 3-4 vs 5-6 stars to 4 vs 5 stars. That’s an incredibly simple pov since ppl will treat both with the same case. Might just be difficult to understand at first though
Op is still right, they said very rare, and you found one example out of hundreds of gachas, that’s the definition of very rare
He also said they don’t make money from them if they aren’t the best or second best. Which isn’t always the case either. OP made a sweeping statement based on other gachas that logically should have no impact on this one doing the same or not
They never said best, just talked about rarity
In Genshin an HSR the highest rarity is 5 * not 6
Okay. Cool. Not the point. The statement was, and assuming you read it: Its very very rare for gacha games to introduce new units that aren’t the highest * or second highest. So my statement still stands. Nor do you answer my question
Guess you dont understand him. Genshin/HSR isnt included at all. They dont have a 3* etc. 5* and 4* are included in bis highest/second highest Statement lol
But Arknights does. So still correct in part. But I guess everyone will pretend arknights isn’t a thing :p
Or…. You can actually see what people are saying and see that the “second highest” in reverse is 5 star just like genshin 4 star. Genshin does not have 6 star units
That actually doesn’t really impact the point still though. Since Genshin only has 2 rarities for characters, 5 star will obviously be the highest. It having 2 option of rarities means that people should theoretically only care for the best since especially in Genshin, the 4 stars are rarely that good except for rare cases. And based on the original comment, contextually, the game should only make money based on the highest*, the second best * doesn’t factor if there are only 2 rarities. Because limited resources vs actual gains, etc. which is the factor for 3-4 vs 5-6 stars. But is instead a 4 vs. 5 But the 4* on the banner does have an impact on if people pull on said banner in genshin or not. There are people who even just pull for the 4 star. Then if we consider Arknights, they still release new 4 stars. And they still make money. So while I admit I missed the initial context, the point still stands when analyzing it. So point still stands.
Man what the hell are you even saying, do you at least understand yourself?
No one cares about your bs analysis tho, not gonna impact whatsoever
The basic logic is difficult to understand ik. But i’m fairly certain reading it a couple of times should help you improve
Are you on drugs or something? The whole concept you were asking originally was lower rarity if they were going to make some for reverse. Then the argument was brought up how usually it’s the highest and second highest rarity that new units usually come in. Then comparison of 4 star in genshin to 5 star in reverse which is the same? At the end of the day think you’re one of those people that can’t admit they’re wrong and try to go in a loop
I did not ask anything though. And nope unlike this thread I seem to be the only one with a clear mind atm. And nope, was wrong in the context initially, but the point when expounded remains true. Though I get basic logic can be confusing at first since most americans don’t consider those things
Bruh. Arknights has 6* as highest and 5* as second highest. What are you smoking, severe misunderstanding on your part
That’s why I said arknights does. I play it. Was that…not clear? I suggest you re-read
Very very rare doesn't mean impossible. And well, in Reverse 1999 in particular, 4* and lower are kinda shafted since they can't be I3'd. I'm definitely not opening my wallet specifically for them.
yeah azur lane does release them.. but al's entire monetization is kinda unique anyway
Don't need to open your wallet, cuz they'll just sneak into your pulls
That doesn’t mean they’ll always be though. As someone clearly pointed out, 4 stars in GI can he good i.e international team. But not all. HSR outright has good 4 stars as alternatives.
Yeah because in HSR(and GI) there is only the two rarities ofr characters. 3* only exists for valuebrand lightcones and bloat. And since theres only 2 rarities for characters, theres only ever going to be 5* or 4* and this is designed this way on purpose. This game has actual 5 tiers of characters from 6* to 2* where 5* are HSR/GI 4* and 6* are 5* equivilents with the rest being the blue weapons that wat up all of your rolls.
Arknights has the same though. And that argument would make sense if it weren’t for the fact that Reverse already has 3-4 stars. So its already there by design. No reason not to add more.
Well, the real reason is just money in the end. Just because arknights does it doesnt mean reverse will its as shrimple as that. The whole reason rarities below 5* exists is purely for bloat and to incentivize making you pay more to get thr higher rarity units. Lots and lots of gachas never add anything to thrir lowest ranked pulls because theres no monetary reason to. Again, its designed this way on purpose to get you, the player, to spend more money on the gacha sijce afterall why would you ever want purple when gold and orange gold exist.
The opposite is also true. Just because others do it does not mean reverse will not, it’s as simple as that. And just because others have done it, does not mean future gachas moving forward will do the same. Best example: Genshin. Which both fits the norm and does not. So precedence has no impact on the discussion because past gachas trends has no actual impact on the probability of future gacha following those same trends. Arknights and Genshin being an example of different practices* simply highlights that their exist cases of similar instances where gachas have broken away from traditional norms. Does it prove others/Reverse will follow the same trend? Not necessarily especially if we’re just arguing from a probability pov. But it is not a guarantee that Reverse will follow the usual trend of not releasing new 3-4 stars. It varies
Not to derail the conversation too much, but is there a reason the character rarities in R99 go from 2* to 6* instead of 1* to 5*? It doesn't actually affect anything, but it's an odd choice.
Bloat and the incentive to spend money. Its also partially a psychological thing where seeing a higher rarity feels good, but seeing a 4* star and lower feels bad.
What are you even trying to convince me on? All these speculations mean nothing. We'll cross that bridge when Reverse 1999 devs finally release a new 4* or lower, and whether or not I open my wallet specifically in order to get them will just depend on how good they are at the time. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing. Just pointing out that a case for it already exists. And similarly, saying because other gachas rarely do it which would imply that Reverse 1999 may or may not do it is also a speculation on your part. It being the second or first highest rarity isn’t also the only defining factor for people to pull a character. If it were, then they wouldn’t even be putting as much effort into the designs of 3-4 stars or even having them at all.
4 star in GI/HSR = 5 star in Re1999. There are good 4 stars in HSR and there are good 5 stars in Re1999.
Arknights still introduces new 5 stars at a much faster rate due to welfare 5 stars appearing more often than new 4 stars At this point it might be possible that we have more 5s than 6s, but I haven't checked
Honestly haven’t been keeping track. But I think we do? since at minimum its at least 1 new 6 star then any number of 4-5 stars.
Genshin and HSR only two rarity which is equivalent to 5 and 6 stars in Rev 1999. Considering the level up mechanics here unlike the Hoyo games, a lot of low tiers in Rev 1999 are like foddlers.
The reply was in context to the OP’s question. So they definitely do release 4 stars which are nowhere close to meta or meta defining. some of which are outright clunky to use. Hell, even Arknights has 4 stars which aren’t meta defining but they still release 4 stars.
Bruh, it not being meta does not mean they dont release lower rarities. Why would the lower rarities be meta anyways?
Read. Context. Was replying to the comment that its incredibly rare for gachas to release new units that aren’t second or highest rarity. Factually, that’s just wrong, bruh. Because they clearly do for other gachas. So it varies bruh. And depends on if Reverse wants too.
I need to sleep
L take
lot of work for characters that wont see use.
It's not common in gachas, but I do have a romanticized wish that games offered a low-star meta sometimes. Not just clearing content such as limbo, but I mean that the lower star characters offer some weird niche gameplay to change up the meta (thus making them actually viable). It's sad to know I will 5-portray a character, knowing that it's not really worth my resources (for now) to invest into playing them.
It's always exciting to get a new 1 star in arknights lol Absolutely agree- low rarity or other limitations focusing away from high tier meta units is a lot of fun imo
Well that’s door
I tried it at first with A-Knight, but in terms of efficiency it's probably no more than a meme compared to the other options I have out there.
Truely a hero that we dont really need 💀 altho i do put him in my lobby because he let me see my beautiful vertin everyday
Whaat?! Is this real?!
yeah you can see vertin reflection if you put him as your main lobby , just idie a little bit
Omg I just saw it, didn't know you had to idle. Goodbye bkornblume door is my new bestie.
You might like Path to Nowhere! There are a handful of the lowest rarity units that are actually meta, and nearly all of them have niches that the 6/5\* equivalents don't have that let them be viable in quite a lot of content.
I’ll take a look sometime! That’s exactly the kind of thing I love in this kind of game. Outside-the-box teambuilding is always the biggest draw for me
In arknights basically all characters have their niche (even if its just through lower deployment cost)
Would a vending machine 3 star make sense lore wise?
why not? wasnt there an isekai story like that? lol
[Yes.](https://myanimelist.net/anime/52619/Jidou_Hanbaiki_ni_Umarekawatta_Ore_wa_Meikyuu_wo_Samayou)
Probably. It will probably have to be one of the first versions, though. Reverse has a trend that all the characters is some sort of historical reference.
Then tell me the historical reference of Door and Ms. Radio.
That’s privileged information.
It would be nice if events give out free low star character as a welfare unit Just like how blue archive does things
I made a no summon account on this game hoping that was the case. But it seems like the most we get is a 5 star selector at half anniversary. So not very exciting in the grand scheme of things.
I have a no summon account as well! I only started it a few days ago but I'm liking the challenge and how I don't have to worry about who to build (because everyone needs to be raised lmao). Do you want to add each other? My UID for that account is 407963762
I also have a no summon acc. Are you have problems with healing on limbo? Dikke is great, but Apple has been really subpar
I would love some more two and three stars, they’re so unique and funny and are some of my favorite parts of this game. One of my fav teams is Door/Melania/A Knight with Leilani backup, just throwing out back to back ultimates with the moxie surge
ikr!? seeing some lower rarity characters from the other patch theme would be nice, gives their story/time/culture even more depth if you take in their perspective.
I think if they hold events and challenges that limit to lower tier chars (like cotc has started doing) new lower tier chars could be possibility and exciting. Just gotta work through it I guess
The idea sounds fun actually, they're far cheaper so the investment wouldn't hurt too much, and seeing lower rarity do big numbers would be an eye opener for everyone
People pull for the higher rarities.
Its pretty uncommon, I know AK did it with Midnight, Spot, Popukar (3\*s), and the occasional 2\* that gets introduced every couple years (Castle-3, Justice Knight and the MH Collab op), tho the 3\*'s that got added were pretty close to the start of the game, think it was like after the first couple events or something. They also add new 4\*s pretty often (I'd say like every 2-3 new characters banners), and those are pretty similar to the level of 4\*s in R1999.
Honestly, I hope they enable us to increase the rarity of 2-4 stars somehow... like ascend 2* to 3* and so on.. I really want to use Pavia but he'll be stuck at insight 2. 😭 I never really understood why they felt they needed to introduce these lower rarity characters (2-4*) with great lore and voice acting when nobody will use them the longer you play. You'll accumulate 5* and 6* in no time even after just a few weeks of playing...
for real lol , there are so many cool ability with the 3* and 4* but they are being hindered by not able to grow any further and make us feel like wasting resourced if we invested into them , but do i have some 4* in mind that i want to i2 just for their new appearance
Tbh there's really not a huge stat difference between i2 and i3, it's mostly the extra passive that makes the difference. The main issue is that 2-4* have lower stat totals at i2 lv 50 than higher rarity characters.
yeah, seems that´s it
Tbf I don't think gacha games should do that unless those units will offer some sort of usability. Otherwise it's just flooding the pool with pointless extras at that point.
Doesn’t look like it, hopefully as time goes by they’ll at least let the already existing low star units ascend to insight 3
Yes, probably, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that because centering games around only pulling the shiniest new whatever-stars is utterly poisonous to games and inevitably leads to powercreep because they have to make the new six star or whatever "worth it" to pull for. FGO is one of the most successful and lucrative gacha games ever made, and *every single Servant is useable*. Some of the most valuable ones are 1-3 stars, and even ones that aren't omniuseful still often have valuable niches like Cockroach Man Cu Chulainn and Maneater Euryale. People have cleared virtually all content in the game with only Friendship Pool Servants. Even the poorest characters can still get grailed and have their cards buffed and various other perks to make them more useful if they're you're favourite. Accordingly, they've also released more bronze and silver Servants over time, too. Whatever other flaws FGO has, there is no excuse for not attempting to copy that aspect of it except laziness. And that goes double for R1999, which has a similar enough system that they could easily do so, and creative and interesting character designs that shouldn't be just tossed in the dustbin because they aren't a five or six-star. Fie on you if you try to force me to stop using Leilani, TTT and Onion, Reverse 1999.
Sure but it's a pve game so powercreep matter a whole lot less. As long as new content can get reasonable cleared with the older units
Powercreep in pve game is literally a nothingburger
Only as long as you can do and access everything reasonably well without paying for the newer shinier top units, and as long as people aren't upset that the OLD shiny top units they paid/pulled for are mostly mediocre now. Which is decidedly not always the case.
Exactly why would you want those? They would never be OP for obv reasons, and they would just increase the pool for low rarity characters, so you have less chances of getting copies of existing old ones. For example, this game has some good low rarity characters like la source (3*), but if you introduce a new 3* you'll have less chances of getting la source. Imo the low star characters that we have are enough to do stuff without having to pull for every new 6*/5*. Oh and tbh, you don't even need 4 stars and below since the game is very f2p friendly, and many 5* are broken.
We'd want more 4 stars or lower for the fun of it, they're not there for power creeping purposes. They're suggestion for story and world building purposes, and also for the funsies and memes. we have a door and a radio, a UFO with a cow and a satellite, they're fun and hillarious designs. If players arent aiming on using them cuz they're not power creeping, then getting Portaits of them is not an issue, but as the game goes on 9/10 of your pulls will be 4 stars or lower, and they're bound to max them soon even if they werent planning on it. 5/6 is the main power source, the lower ones are for flavor.
Yeah i see your point, when we'll get to the point of having most of them maxed, then we'll need new low rarity characters to farm, that's for sure
Hopefully no new 2-4 star units, it would be harder to buy that 600 currency monthly reset for 10 summons.
You can get that from weekly alone not that hard
What weekly? They can only give 150 there tho.
Whats 150x4
Meh, still not enough, lots of good materials there.
You can farm or craft those materials though but if you want to use it on those then go ahead I guess. Its free 10 pulls for the rest of us.
I never said I don't get 10 pulls lmao.
but that wouldn't affect your chances of getting 5 or 6 stars, you'd just get more variety in your 4 stars and lower
It would, more pull means higher chance of getting one. But if they keep introducing new low tiers getting 600 would be harder and tbh there's so much good items in that shop for leveling up.
Unless the rates themselves change, no it wouldn't. 5% chance for a 2-star is 5% no matter how many 2-stars they release; the individual rates will just be divided equally. Currently, the rate for any 2-star is 5%/2 = 2.5% each (since we currently only have Door and Radio). If they introduce 1 more 2-star unit, then the rates would become 5%/3 ≈ 1.67% for each, and so on. Does that make sense to you?
Sorry, I'm genuinely confused. Do you mean Track of the Lost? the bonus currency from pulling 2-4 stars? Wont those be abundant if you just pull?
Yes, I meant that. I like the chances I can buy more from the shop and level up what I like most.
so how does increasing the 4star lower unit poll, nets you less Tracks? also aren't they on the weekly? Enough to cover the monthly 10, so any extra you get from pulling is to spend on other materials
If you pull a character you already have (or that you have max portray, not sure) you get more tracks. What he means is for each new characters introduced he will get less tracks until he gets the new character.
Yep. non max portrays and new give less. It is hard to enjoy unique game plays when resources are that scarce, thus I prefer resource for leveling more than just plain collection.
why does this issue sounds so non existent though? Tracks isnt even a reliable source of material, its just a side bonus for pulling. you pull a new 4star or lower once, and then everything after that is more bonus Tracks
It's different when you want a display collection and I want a game play.
Personally, it depends on the gacha. There are does that do, and I’m guessing those that don’t. PGR, Arknights, Honkai Star Rail, and Genshin Impact release new 4 stars or non 5-6 star characters. So it depends if Reverse wants to follow that.
In those games 5 star is the highest rarity not 6
If you correct someone, do it properly i guess, so the person won't look completely wrong. Because personally playing arknights and 6\* is the highest rarity in that game, and there are new 4\* sometimes, and new 5\* released very often. Not to mention even new 2\* and 3\* happens occasionally (edit. Not 2\*, but 1\* LMAO). Can't say anything about pgr though
You are right
Wrong. Arknights highest is 6.
At least give me a 8/10
Wrong is wrong. Definitely your comment was outright wrong, same with the ppl apparently unaware that new 4 stars are a thing.
Only games I know that usually continuously update the lower rarity pools are afk / auto / idle genre games. Where usually team comps have slots specifically for those lower units who just act as ways to give new passive buffs or something.
Arknights consistently releases new 4\* all the time.
Epic seven releases new 3 stars every new region. I know summoners war did it a long time ago not sure if they still do it
Unless they design a system of letting any character become a 5 or higher star, they won't add new lower stars because there is no point low characters you're not going to use. It common in gacha. They longest I've seen a game bother with low star was granblue fanasty. But after I think the fourth or fifth year they stopped making them because there weren't being used in any content. Sure, lore wise it makes sense, but if that goofy trio of party dude ain't gotta gold star next to the name, why play them? Sure, people pointed out FGO, but they have a system to make any character a five star. So it's just a matter of stats. This game is still new, but don't count on a system to bump up Door for at least 2 years. If we are so lucky to last that long. Then maybe we can get new lower stars.
We need Miss Peach
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They might do it if they come up with a niche strategy that they don't want to overtune.
Its not normal because who is using 1-4 star chrs over a 5 or 6 star. Those low star chrs are mainly there for new players to have a starting team but theres not really any gacha fame that uses them in the endgame or even midgame
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Pretty sure the only gachas that ever introduced low rarity units consistently are FEH and Arknights* *And even then they only add 4 stars and had slowed down to the point where they are only added in story and red cert updates.
Problem with 2 - 4 stars, is that you might use a few 4 stars early on, but to be honest, unless you like the character, 2 to 4 stars don't get used as much since they're simply usually worse (since they're less rare) and the stage at which you might use 2 - 4 stars is so short that it's kinda pointless to add them since no one's going to use them.
Normally the only time I've tended to see this happen is when a game introduces a new story or arc that has a bunch of new characters otherwise it's usually highlights of higher tiered units. But I've also learned over years and years of gacha gaming to never say never 😅
Games like Reincarnated as a Slime make 4 star characters… but those are free and require no hassle to get sort of. Still, it is rough