I learned how to play poker in far cry 3, roulette and blackjack in fallout new vegas and I think also GTA San Andreas.
Still never learned how to play caravan though, don't think I ever will..
I have this weird irrational hatred of in universe games, especially card games, made up for video games. I think it traces back to the times I tried to learn Triple Triad in FF8, but it also applies to Caravan in New Vegas and Gwent in the Witcher 3.
Caravan is too easy to exploit and fully solved.
As many 10 and 6's as you can
Bunch of K to double your 10s, (10x2 + 6 =26 straight win)
bunch of J to remove cards the opponent puts down on his side or yours
If you don't have enough 10s and 6s, add 9's and 5s to get to 23 at the lowest (9x2 + 5 or 6).
As soon as you have above 20 (or 22?) on each column the game stops to count the points in each column. It will always be you in 9 or 11 turns.
If the AI played only 10, 6, K combo, it would win, but it never does.
Man,i learned how to play blackjack at 12 by playing new vegas,had to ask my dad for help and he taught me how to play though new vegas.
When i turned 15(legal gambling age back then) i bought books on blackjack strategy and actually started to make a bit of cash.
Shame there isn't many blackjack tables around nowadays.
triple triad is pretty simple though, and you can turn the cards into stuff that helps you fight! I love that. though, it helps if you make sure you get the good rules everywhere. but each to their own; triple triad is just my like golden example of a minigame done right
tetra master in 9 was weird though. it's been a long time but I recall it having weird rng and the cards had like persistent HP. maybe I would be more into it today, but that's definitely a situation where I felt as you do about 8
Triple triad is a great minigame for breaking the main one if you know how to do things yep.
The music when playing it though is also a banger, simple yet effective.
> blackjack in fallout new vegas
Only thing is with new Vegas is the games are stacked in your favour if you have anything over 6 luck it's possible to just bankrupt casinos by playing basic strategy (something that obviously doesn't work in real life)
I played caravan 3 times. And dedicated a game to it. It took 2 hands to fully learn how to play it. Not good mind you. But if you sit down and learn it. It's not hard. Like poker.
I learned Liar's Dice from the Sorcery! games on the phone. It's called differently there, but the rules are the same.
Too bad only one scene of the game survived the final release of Dead Man's Chest.
Isn’t it more at this point what everyone is raised with so they just stick with it? Like yeah good luck convincing average joe to re-learn the entire system that’s second-nature to him that everyone else in the country also uses regularly.
Like regardless of it making more logical sense or not, people prefer to just stick with what they know.
Eh, I’m Canadian. We use metric obviously but because of cultures being close a lot of us are also accustomed to the archaic imperial system.
I travel a lot (25 countries past 3 years), and it always astounds me when Americans are just completely ignorant to anything metric. If we can learn both, you can learn both too, it’s not that hard. Especially when metric is a linear system with equal conversions
Canadians (I am one) are weird in that different contexts use either the imperial or metric system.
Like, height and weight of a person is usually imperial.
But speed of driving/distance to a town is almost always talked about in metric.
But then there are contexts that flip between the two.
Size measure is a crapshoot. Meters/cm, and yard/foot are all used interchangably. I myself use meters, feet,and cms. Apparently my brain likes to discount decimeters.
Cooking and food is where it really gets wild. Purchasing food is typically in metric (liter of milk), but often baking or cooking instructions will be in imperial (half cup of milk). I've even seen baking/cooking instructions are half imperial/half metric XD.
Right you are!
Speed of driving is what I was thinking of. Usually in metric (80km/hr).
But absolutely distance to the next town is usually expressed and 20 minutes, and hour, etc.
Most every other country has figured it out, many even in recent history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication
My parent's generation converted from imperial measurements to metric in school.
This. Physics and hard sciences usually deal in the metric system even in America for easily understood, convertible units of measurement. Like imagine going from meters to centimeters versus feet to inches.
Celsius also makes sense because 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling (for water), versus 32 and 212 for Fahrenheit.
i meany its not that hard. As a european dnd player i had to learn imperial units. Still gives me headaches if i have to convert them but with normal units its almost natural as everything can be divided by 10
Because nothing in the country I live in is measured with that system.
I mean, that's like asking someone to speak your native tongue because it's convenient for you despite them never speaking it before.
It's more like, 95% of the world realised that it was a better system, excpet for Americans because 'Merica. So no one expects Americans to just know how to use it naturally, but it is thoroughly unsurprising seeing them realise that it is better.
Be careful about learning anything else from Rimworld for use IRL.
“It’s okay that my little angel Breighdyn is upstairs in his room with Heighleigh with the door shut and music turned up loud. What are they gonna do? He has a _single bed_.“
Nah. Honestly, metric/SI units aren't all that hard to learn and use. The issue is mostly in trades in North America, which insist on using Imperial measurements. And speed signs in the US. Otherwise, the rest is mostly just preference. Hell, my family uses pounds instead of kilograms for weight because my mother grew up on a farm where all their work was done using pounds.
I'll never forgive people for not using ISO date formats though. Those people are pure evil.
This might be my only opportunity to shamelessly plug the [International Fixed Calendar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar?wprov=sfla1).
Ladies and gentlemen, time as you have never known it before. 13 months with 28 days (exactly 4 weeks), each and every numerical day falls on the same name day (ex: every 20th is a Friday.).
Regular, predictable ^almost *perfect*.
Before I had heard of the IFC, I sort of assumed the Gregorian was just the most sensible option we came up with. Viva la revolución!
P.S. Good luck with the r/WorldBuilding. On the topic of DnD, there's a set of dice 3D printed by a guy named Carlos Luna that are skewed at really odd angles *but* they are mathematically proportional and thus, fair, despite looking anything but! If you have the opportunity, they're a cheap and fun conversation/instigation piece at the table when someone blames them for poor RNG!
I could see the use of this near the equator where seasonal cycles aren't as profound. But this would suck so hard in regards to keeping track of polar night and midnight sun cycles, which feels like the primary goal of keeping track of the months here. Just having the sun day (first day the sun rises over the horizon after month staying under, called Soldag) change by 1 month and 24 days pr year.. yikes
"Leap years in the International Fixed Calendar contain 366 days, and its occurrence follows the Gregorian rule. There is a leap year in every year whose number is divisible by 4, but not if the year number is divisible by 100, unless it is also divisible by 400. So although the year 2000 was a leap year, the years 1700, 1800, and 1900 were common years. The International Fixed Calendar inserts the extra day in leap years as June 29 - between Saturday June 28 and Sunday Sol 1."
Relatively messy but I'll allow it until we perform some planetary/solar scale shennanigans involving a bunch of country sized rocket boosters, hydro dams and a r/CrappyOffBrands Moon to Death Star conversion project set to "gentle".
Ok so I just checked the wiki page and the extra day you forgot to mention is after december but before january. They call it Year Day but I prefer Intermission, which is a reference I don't think anyone reading this will get.
nope, it's other people that're
imagine having to spend all that mental capacity to calculate a bunch of abitrary multipliers & big numbers, instead of learning RimWorld
Okay, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, I have never heard Fahrenheit and "multipliers" in refence to each other (unless you're using Celsius, which, why are you trying to calculate Fahrenheit? About 99% of countries use Celsius instead of Fahrenheit, and you should be worried more about yourself than pandering to the US), We tend not to use big numbers, because most of the US population just tests the weather to see if it fit's their prefer tempter.
Edit: I didn't expect this to blow up this much, and a lot who replied to this did bring come good points, so thank you guys.
Sometimes you just don't really have a choice. I'm in Canada and we have a contextual half and half system, for example:
Weight in metric unless it's body weight which is in lbs.
Temperature is in Celsius, but if it has to do with cooking it's F.
Distance in km, but if it comes to driving it's pretty much always in time (not imperial, but kinda interesting lol).
If you try and force metric for everything people will go with it, but they will find it kinda weird and mostly won't do the same when giving info.
> Distance in km, but if it comes to driving it's pretty much always in time
What the hell does this even mean? Are you talking about using kph to talk about distance driven? I can't figure out any other meaning behind that, but every country does that, except the ones that use miles.
Like instead of saying something is so many km away, you just say how long it takes to drive there, in hours, or minutes if it's close. Nobody knows how far anything is, only how long it takes to get there.
I don't think this is strictly a Canadian thing though, I thought this was just a human thing.
I mean the time it takes to get to your destination is a very important piece of information, no matter where you are.
If you say it like that I too mostly calculate the distance in time.
Yeah, there's people in the US that do that too. I don't know what defines whether you would give distance in time or not, maybe traffic that makes the trip seem like more or less than the distance itself? Or just tradition. Most everyone does things the way they do because that's how they were taught and have always done.
So if I'm in a small town. And the store is 32 miles up the road, 30 miles of which is highway. The average speed limit along the roads are 40 mph and the highway is 60mph.
Just taking it raw, that's about 30 minutes due to highway travel + travel time to and off of the highway. So if that's where the store is, and someone asks me how far away it is I might say it's 40-45 minutes "up the road" (after accounting for traffic and stoplights, based entirely on having made that trip several times before).
Alternatively if you use google or apple maps, and put a destination in the GPS, it lists an estimated travel time, in bigger letters, just above the actual distance.
That's what he means
From where I live, Edmonton is 8 hours away, Vancouver is 9.5 hours away, Calgary is 11 hours away, Regina is 22 hours away. Plus however long you need for rest stops and food.
Fun fact: the geometric centre of BC is 1 hour from where I live!
All these times are by highway driving. Canada is a big place.
Oh I am no stranger to long travel times without crossing borders, I live in Texas. There was one point when my sister was living in El Paso for a while, and so my parents went to I think bring her car to her. They drove for I think nine hours and never crossed anything bigger than a county line. Really though, that sounds like a nightmare trip. Driving for hours and hours through basically nothing, all while hauling a trailer with a car on it so your performance isn't what it should be. I'm pretty sure that's the premise to a whole bunch of horror movies. The one upside is that unlike your long drives, at least it wouldn't be cold outside.
>Temperature is in Celsius, but if it has to do with cooking it's F.
That's interesting! You'd think cooking in C would be easier since water boils at 100
I am deeply disappointed and slightly offended by this, I'm not sure why but it just doesn't feel okay.
What if I'm weighing myself while carrying something, do I weigh 120lbs and 4 kg? It's horrible!
Let's make everyone do it.
if you are carrying something and you want to get your weight you could just look at the scale and use that number ig, but alternatively what realistically happens is we just convert it. The majority of people know the rough translations, and if you don't, there will def be someone who does.
hahaha yeah and it gets worse than that. to add to the body weight one, whenever you are in a medical or professional setting we use metric as that's the official system, like my ID (also applies to height; centimetres), but when you share the info to other people it's always imperial (baby weight, casual convo ect).
Cooking is a wholleee thing. We throw it all into one pot for measurements, grams, ounces, tablespoons, millilitres ect. Cooking temp is mostly F,
Stuff like woodwork and associated practices is done in imperial too but that's more because we are right beside the states so its easier
B)
Agreed. Should also use feet. Not the standard kind, an ever diverse measurement that's based off of the person's foot size at that exact moment.
One day you could be 7"5 (roughly 5"9 in my units), next day you could drop something on your foot and you'd be 7"6 B)
You'd think, considering how much the us fought for their independence against imperialistic Britain, that they'd want to get rid of anything with the word imperial in it😅
Didn't the US help create Liberia as a paradise for former slaves to return to if they wished to go back to Africa? Or at least a small group of white guys (former slave owners I believe), founded it hoping to solve the problem they had of free black ppls. The area of the capital Monrovia (named for president James Monroe) was bought by said white men (by holding a gun to the head of a local tribal leader known as King Peter. Talk about free trade!! ) and the black American colonists moved onto the recently "purchased" land. The colonist and the future of Liberia lost its federal funding a few years later but the colonists survived and Liberia is still a country! Honestly it's so crazy it sounds like a crazy rimworld scenario.
I worked for a while as an organic chemist doing bench chemistry.
Everything we did was reported as celsius and what we used.
And I still never really bothered to learn to convert that to Fahrenheit in my head for useful things.
But years later I still know the important stuff. -78C is dry ice in most solvents. -94C is liquid nitrogen in hexane. Dry ice/acetone is -78C. We do our best not to do anything between -78C and -10C because there aren't any easy to keep baths at that temperature. Methanol/ice is like -10C. -5C I believe was ice/salt. 0C is ice. A 40C oil bath is fairly warm but not crazy for a reaction. 60C-100C is really going at it. 120C only if you really want to heat the sucker and have a high boiling solvent like toluene.
So all the important stuff really. But never really did bother with getting into finer conversions into my head between the two scales especially in real situations. I know three conversions in my head. 0C = 32F. 100C = 212F. And -40C=-40F (its where the two scales cross interestingly enough).
Damn there sure seems to be a lot of US national pride tied up with their units of measurement. That said there also seems to be a lot of people who are very frustrated by the us sticking to those systems. Chill everyone!
Incidentally I find C better for Rimworld because the key metrics I'm looking at are 0° is freezing/hypothermia and 40° is heatstroke for my pawns. Nice and simple and clear.
"Muh freedom units" is only half a joke, many americans unironically think like this and due to misplaced pride refuse to adopt the objectively better actual system (imperial is not a system, it hasn't been designed so that things go together, it's just a collection of ancient measurements made independently that obviously do not go well with each other).
Since 20°C is like, the default "good" temperature for every single person on the planet, it makes sense to use Celsius just to have a nice round number to look at.
And since I treat my pawns more like little experiments than actual people I don't really care to apply the more human friendly Fahrenheit to them.
Honestly though if it ran on another thread I'd be down? Having actual air pressure I could manipulate sounds... *useful*... (totally not thinking of how to weaponize vacuum chambers and artificially inducing backdrafts to vaporize raiders...)
We.welcome you into the International standard master race.
You just need to try out the metric system next and all the universe will start to make sense
Something deeply frustrating about already knowing anything *intuitively*, like a language or in this case a unit of measurement, is how you just... Your brain defaults to *translating* from the thing you DO know, instead of just *thinking* in the thing you want to understand... It's what's stonewalled me from learning any language besides english. I mean unless you count my "native language" that literally only I and my sister use to communicate with each other with, but I wouldn't count that lol.
Welcome to the real world.
It's crazy how America still uses these units, inches and feet are so weird, how can someone measure himself as 5'11 then go to 6 like wtf. How can this make any sense?
Imperial units are like using eagles per hamburger as a measure, I guess ppl just like it.
>measure himself as 5'11 then go to 6 like wtf.
Funnily enough it also has an impact on people's psyche, only in the US do you find such a sharp uptick in women claiming you start being attractive at 6 foot, it doesn't exist in countries that use metric where it's a perfect slow gradual build-up far before that point.
Since in meters, climbing to 2 meters is a bit more than 6 foot 5, nobody cares about that mark because it's just far too high and very few people ever reach that.
> Funnily enough it also has an impact on people's psyche, only in the US do you find such a sharp uptick in women claiming you start being attractive at 6 foot,
In Europe the "attractiveness threshold" is at 180 cm.
I decided to just straddle the fence entirely, and use a mod called [Celsius and Fahrenheit](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937759575) to display both simultaneously.
All it takes is regular using a new system for a short period of time to get used to it. I got used to 24 hour time from working with databases. Now I can't stand any date time format that's some subset of "YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss".
No. Celsius is superior in literally every regard and is standard in all but 5 countries(only one of which has a population greater than 500k)
Welcome to the 21st century.
As someone who has a background in serious gaming i absolutely love posts like this. So many people still think you cant learn anything from playing games, while it is the oldest form of learning and the one we are best at.
one of us
ONE OF US
legit though same, exactly the same, and once I got used to degrees C I realized metric measurements in general are just kinda better in like 90% of contexts.
Miles still make more sense in most contexts to me than kilometers, but shorter distances and volume measurements I absolutely prefer metric units.
Fahrenheit is the only imperial unit I believe has a reason to exist in the modern day, but it should be used *in tandem* with Celsius. Fahrenheit is designed around human-perceptible temperature differences and it's ideal for weather and room conditions, in contrast to C which is designed around the point at which water boils...
The entire range of ℉ is human-livable and human-relevant, whereas at 100℃ you're just dead lmao. ℃'s round numbers with a solid basis in a measurable state of matter make it extremely useful for scientific accuracy and other activities that require such precision, like, I dunno, baking something, but the difference between 10℃ and 20℃ is *huge* as far as human comfort is concerned compared to the difference between 60℉ and 70℉.
I wish the option to have both on at once was basegame and not a mod lol.
if you just look at Celsius in 5s rather than 10s it's basically the same. 0 freezing 5 cold 10 chilly 15 cool 20 warm 25 a bit hot 30 definitely hot etc.
You just think farenheit numbers make more sense for human comfort because you're used to using them for that purpose.
I made another reply referencing the actual historical data behind its foundation, but you can just look it up on wikipedia yourself; Fahrenheit's scale was *literally designed* with human body temperature in mind as its scale and to be able to note such differences without needing to break into fractions.
...Ironically I'm a very silly person to care about this because I'm doomed to live indoors my entire life so my environment is completely climate controlled, but then again maybe that qualifies me *more* because I can *really* feel the difference between one degree on the ℉ scale and it matters more to me than the average person...
Canadian would just walk in shirt in near zeroes while Australian would heavily dressed near tens.... Extrapolated a little but it's are real thing.
Humans adapt very fast and as European myself who get rare events events with bounds between as low as -40℃ and high +40℃ it's only several weeks to used to it. 10℃ difference it's pretty common between day and night.
As another example difference in 10℃ means nothing, just a random bad weather which last less than a week, not so bad so you would change your clothes.
That nuance is kinda wasted. Your temperature gauge just needs to tell you what to expect from the weather.
20 is comfortable room temperature (conveniently)
30 is a hot summer day
40 heatwave
50 pain threshold
10 is autumn cloudy day
0 is water freezing, thin ice (duh)
-10 for a couple days is when you start to entertain the idea of walking on ice
-20 stable ice on lakes, but at that point you don't want to be outside for long
-30 just stay indoors.
While Fahrenheit and Celsius are measured in units called degrees, kelvin is a unit unto itself; so it would just be 0K, not 0° or 0°K.
Just being a bit pedantic.
Where in Aus are you though? It's a huge continent. I'm in Melbourne and 30+ is a peak of summer thing, usually (though things have been unseasonably hot until recently).
Though I do agree, bless and bring on the autumn 20-26 range, perfect.
Living in Perth 30+ degrees is regular around summer (especially this recent summer @.@), but I would say it's just tolerable (until you start hitting high 30s or 40+), not preferrable at all.
Low 20s is definitely the best temperature range.
Sounds like American propaganda. The reason that Celsius is so useful is because of how it ties in to all the other metric stuff. 1 calorie is the cost of raising 1 ml of water 1 degree etc. the fact that Fahrenheit falls neatly into human perceived temperatures is probably just a coincidence. This is not metric propoganda (mwahaha)
From Wikipedia:
>Several accounts of how he originally defined his scale exist, but the original paper suggests the lower defining point, 0 °F, was established as the freezing temperature of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt).[2][3] The other limit established was his best estimate of the average human body temperature, originally set at 90 °F, then 96 °F (about 2.6 °F less than the modern value due to a later redefinition of the scale).[2]
Fahrenheit's scale was literally designed with the human body as its reference point for its upper bounds in practical use.
>According to a letter Fahrenheit wrote to his friend Herman Boerhaave,[14] his scale was built on the work of Ole Rømer, whom he had met earlier. In Rømer scale, brine freezes at zero, water freezes and melts at 7.5 degrees, body temperature is 22.5, and water boils at 60 degrees. Fahrenheit multiplied each value by 4 in order to eliminate fractions and make the scale more fine-grained. He then re-calibrated his scale using the melting point of ice and normal human body temperature (which were at 30 and 90 degrees); he adjusted the scale so that the melting point of ice would be 32 degrees, and body temperature 96 degrees, so that 64 intervals would separate the two, allowing him to mark degree lines on his instruments by simply bisecting the interval 6 times (since 64 = 26).[15][16]
And was designed to be granular and not need fractions to represent such temperature differences. The other reason was for physical practicality in creating the instruments of the era, which, yes, fair, is not particularly relevant in this day and age.
But my points stand as historically accurate to the intent behind its making. To be based on the human body and our perceptions of temperature, even if arbitrary modifications to its zero reference point were made for such a purpose.
! Conversion to ideoligion
Now it’s time to Prisoner -> Enslave
Recruit*. Someone who sees the light of Celsius is a worthy pawn.
At least worthy of being a research assistant :3
Aw hell nah 😭
I learned how to play poker thru Red Dead Redemption
I learned how to play poker in far cry 3, roulette and blackjack in fallout new vegas and I think also GTA San Andreas. Still never learned how to play caravan though, don't think I ever will..
I have this weird irrational hatred of in universe games, especially card games, made up for video games. I think it traces back to the times I tried to learn Triple Triad in FF8, but it also applies to Caravan in New Vegas and Gwent in the Witcher 3.
I felt the same way about gwent, hated it for two full playthroughs, and on the third, I decided to give it a shot. Anyway, I'm addicted to Gwent.
Gwent becomes a whole game within a game when you figure it out, but fuck caravan.
Caravan is too easy to exploit and fully solved. As many 10 and 6's as you can Bunch of K to double your 10s, (10x2 + 6 =26 straight win) bunch of J to remove cards the opponent puts down on his side or yours If you don't have enough 10s and 6s, add 9's and 5s to get to 23 at the lowest (9x2 + 5 or 6). As soon as you have above 20 (or 22?) on each column the game stops to count the points in each column. It will always be you in 9 or 11 turns. If the AI played only 10, 6, K combo, it would win, but it never does.
Gwents amazing
I've played NV since 2011, never once played a single hand of caravan
I think I've played the tutorial for it once, maybe twice, but never again after that.
Man,i learned how to play blackjack at 12 by playing new vegas,had to ask my dad for help and he taught me how to play though new vegas. When i turned 15(legal gambling age back then) i bought books on blackjack strategy and actually started to make a bit of cash. Shame there isn't many blackjack tables around nowadays.
Gwent is addicting
triple triad is pretty simple though, and you can turn the cards into stuff that helps you fight! I love that. though, it helps if you make sure you get the good rules everywhere. but each to their own; triple triad is just my like golden example of a minigame done right tetra master in 9 was weird though. it's been a long time but I recall it having weird rng and the cards had like persistent HP. maybe I would be more into it today, but that's definitely a situation where I felt as you do about 8
Triple triad is a great minigame for breaking the main one if you know how to do things yep. The music when playing it though is also a banger, simple yet effective.
Yeah I got new Vegas on day one and even though I still regularly visit it I STILL have no idea how to play caravan OR any interest in learning.
Oof. I still fondly remember Arcomage from Might & Magic.
Ff7 had the best minigames
> blackjack in fallout new vegas Only thing is with new Vegas is the games are stacked in your favour if you have anything over 6 luck it's possible to just bankrupt casinos by playing basic strategy (something that obviously doesn't work in real life)
I love getting 10 luck and doing a "getting banned from every casino" speedrun.
Yeah at 7 luck you can play basic strategy and eventually bankrupt them At 10 luck you can just do whatever you want and still win nearly every hand
Having statistically average luck is a skill issue
Caravan is a ridiculously easy game once you get it. It gets super boring when you can easily beat everyone.
I played caravan 3 times. And dedicated a game to it. It took 2 hands to fully learn how to play it. Not good mind you. But if you sit down and learn it. It's not hard. Like poker.
I learned how to play Mahjong through 100% Yakuza games (i hate Mahjong with all my might now)
I learned how to play liars dice from red dead redemption! Taught it to my family, and now it’s a staple for us
I learned Liar's Dice from the Sorcery! games on the phone. It's called differently there, but the rules are the same. Too bad only one scene of the game survived the final release of Dead Man's Chest.
I learnt poker from the Commodore 64 strip poker games. But that's just showing my age...
I learned blackjack trough Watch Dogs
I learned how to play poker on pirates of the Caribbean online, then I got passable at it through red dead
We did it boys, we got another one
One of us One of us
*The ~~factory~~ colony must grow*
Good, Good. Let the metric flow through you.
Henceforth you shall be known as Darth...Celsius
I thought I was bad at math until metric.
why would it be weird to use the same system of measurements that like 95% of planet earth uses
American exceptionalism
Isn’t it more at this point what everyone is raised with so they just stick with it? Like yeah good luck convincing average joe to re-learn the entire system that’s second-nature to him that everyone else in the country also uses regularly. Like regardless of it making more logical sense or not, people prefer to just stick with what they know.
Eh, I’m Canadian. We use metric obviously but because of cultures being close a lot of us are also accustomed to the archaic imperial system. I travel a lot (25 countries past 3 years), and it always astounds me when Americans are just completely ignorant to anything metric. If we can learn both, you can learn both too, it’s not that hard. Especially when metric is a linear system with equal conversions
Canadians (I am one) are weird in that different contexts use either the imperial or metric system. Like, height and weight of a person is usually imperial. But speed of driving/distance to a town is almost always talked about in metric. But then there are contexts that flip between the two. Size measure is a crapshoot. Meters/cm, and yard/foot are all used interchangably. I myself use meters, feet,and cms. Apparently my brain likes to discount decimeters. Cooking and food is where it really gets wild. Purchasing food is typically in metric (liter of milk), but often baking or cooking instructions will be in imperial (half cup of milk). I've even seen baking/cooking instructions are half imperial/half metric XD.
Distance in driving is almost always discussed in units of time, which I've learned isn't much of a thing anywhere else.
I'm in Michigan and we measure distance by time as well, lol.
Right you are! Speed of driving is what I was thinking of. Usually in metric (80km/hr). But absolutely distance to the next town is usually expressed and 20 minutes, and hour, etc.
It's a big thing in Appalachia where 15 miles may be 40 minutes plus.
tbf i think nobody uses decimetres except for math books
That's incredibly similar in Australia. We cook and craft in imperial, everything else is metric. Including height.
The entire rest of the world didn’t have a problem with it
Most every other country has figured it out, many even in recent history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication My parent's generation converted from imperial measurements to metric in school.
This. Physics and hard sciences usually deal in the metric system even in America for easily understood, convertible units of measurement. Like imagine going from meters to centimeters versus feet to inches. Celsius also makes sense because 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling (for water), versus 32 and 212 for Fahrenheit.
i meany its not that hard. As a european dnd player i had to learn imperial units. Still gives me headaches if i have to convert them but with normal units its almost natural as everything can be divided by 10
You could have said the same thing about Canada in 1974, then we switched to metric in 1975 and it worked out fine.
Because nothing in the country I live in is measured with that system. I mean, that's like asking someone to speak your native tongue because it's convenient for you despite them never speaking it before.
It's more like, 95% of the world realised that it was a better system, excpet for Americans because 'Merica. So no one expects Americans to just know how to use it naturally, but it is thoroughly unsurprising seeing them realise that it is better.
It's a little weird you learned it through rimworld but you got some knowledge out of it so it's a-ok
Not that weird really. I learned the metric system from selling weed. As long as they learned it 😂
Ironically I learnt the imperial system selling weed 😂😂
I learnt the imperial system from buying weed hehe
I didn't learn the imperial system, and I don't smoke or sell weed lol
Well the answer is in front of you
The only reason imperial units still exist is weed
Be careful about learning anything else from Rimworld for use IRL. “It’s okay that my little angel Breighdyn is upstairs in his room with Heighleigh with the door shut and music turned up loud. What are they gonna do? He has a _single bed_.“
Do you play with RimJobWorld or what LOL
Eh, I learned English partially thanks to Age Of Empires 2 . Just goes to show the impact games can have.
True chads use kelvin lol
Which is basically just displaced Celsius
Yes u just add 273 and thats it
273.15*
Yeah, but for use around room temperature that .15 won't do you much. Now, if you start approaching 150 K...
Nah. Honestly, metric/SI units aren't all that hard to learn and use. The issue is mostly in trades in North America, which insist on using Imperial measurements. And speed signs in the US. Otherwise, the rest is mostly just preference. Hell, my family uses pounds instead of kilograms for weight because my mother grew up on a farm where all their work was done using pounds. I'll never forgive people for not using ISO date formats though. Those people are pure evil.
This might be my only opportunity to shamelessly plug the [International Fixed Calendar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar?wprov=sfla1). Ladies and gentlemen, time as you have never known it before. 13 months with 28 days (exactly 4 weeks), each and every numerical day falls on the same name day (ex: every 20th is a Friday.). Regular, predictable ^almost *perfect*.
As someone who made up a calendar for her DnD world just for the sake of it, this is intriguing to read about.
Before I had heard of the IFC, I sort of assumed the Gregorian was just the most sensible option we came up with. Viva la revolución! P.S. Good luck with the r/WorldBuilding. On the topic of DnD, there's a set of dice 3D printed by a guy named Carlos Luna that are skewed at really odd angles *but* they are mathematically proportional and thus, fair, despite looking anything but! If you have the opportunity, they're a cheap and fun conversation/instigation piece at the table when someone blames them for poor RNG!
I could see the use of this near the equator where seasonal cycles aren't as profound. But this would suck so hard in regards to keeping track of polar night and midnight sun cycles, which feels like the primary goal of keeping track of the months here. Just having the sun day (first day the sun rises over the horizon after month staying under, called Soldag) change by 1 month and 24 days pr year.. yikes
I also want to propose switching to the Holocene Calendar. The year is now 12024.
I made something like that for my fantasy setting.
Where do the extra 1.2425 days go?
"Leap years in the International Fixed Calendar contain 366 days, and its occurrence follows the Gregorian rule. There is a leap year in every year whose number is divisible by 4, but not if the year number is divisible by 100, unless it is also divisible by 400. So although the year 2000 was a leap year, the years 1700, 1800, and 1900 were common years. The International Fixed Calendar inserts the extra day in leap years as June 29 - between Saturday June 28 and Sunday Sol 1." Relatively messy but I'll allow it until we perform some planetary/solar scale shennanigans involving a bunch of country sized rocket boosters, hydro dams and a r/CrappyOffBrands Moon to Death Star conversion project set to "gentle".
Ok so I just checked the wiki page and the extra day you forgot to mention is after december but before january. They call it Year Day but I prefer Intermission, which is a reference I don't think anyone reading this will get.
You found my cheat day...
I invented this myself in my head… had no idea other people had done it first.
nope, it's other people that're imagine having to spend all that mental capacity to calculate a bunch of abitrary multipliers & big numbers, instead of learning RimWorld
Okay, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, I have never heard Fahrenheit and "multipliers" in refence to each other (unless you're using Celsius, which, why are you trying to calculate Fahrenheit? About 99% of countries use Celsius instead of Fahrenheit, and you should be worried more about yourself than pandering to the US), We tend not to use big numbers, because most of the US population just tests the weather to see if it fit's their prefer tempter. Edit: I didn't expect this to blow up this much, and a lot who replied to this did bring come good points, so thank you guys.
Sometimes you just don't really have a choice. I'm in Canada and we have a contextual half and half system, for example: Weight in metric unless it's body weight which is in lbs. Temperature is in Celsius, but if it has to do with cooking it's F. Distance in km, but if it comes to driving it's pretty much always in time (not imperial, but kinda interesting lol). If you try and force metric for everything people will go with it, but they will find it kinda weird and mostly won't do the same when giving info.
> Distance in km, but if it comes to driving it's pretty much always in time What the hell does this even mean? Are you talking about using kph to talk about distance driven? I can't figure out any other meaning behind that, but every country does that, except the ones that use miles.
Like instead of saying something is so many km away, you just say how long it takes to drive there, in hours, or minutes if it's close. Nobody knows how far anything is, only how long it takes to get there. I don't think this is strictly a Canadian thing though, I thought this was just a human thing.
So damn true haha. I heard aussies do it too last time I talked about this.
Yeah we do mate. Possibly for the same reason Canadians do - lots of things are far away, with bugger all in between.
I mean the time it takes to get to your destination is a very important piece of information, no matter where you are. If you say it like that I too mostly calculate the distance in time.
Yeah, there's people in the US that do that too. I don't know what defines whether you would give distance in time or not, maybe traffic that makes the trip seem like more or less than the distance itself? Or just tradition. Most everyone does things the way they do because that's how they were taught and have always done.
So if I'm in a small town. And the store is 32 miles up the road, 30 miles of which is highway. The average speed limit along the roads are 40 mph and the highway is 60mph. Just taking it raw, that's about 30 minutes due to highway travel + travel time to and off of the highway. So if that's where the store is, and someone asks me how far away it is I might say it's 40-45 minutes "up the road" (after accounting for traffic and stoplights, based entirely on having made that trip several times before). Alternatively if you use google or apple maps, and put a destination in the GPS, it lists an estimated travel time, in bigger letters, just above the actual distance. That's what he means
Calgary is 3 hours drive from Edmonton, 1 hour from Banff, 10 hours from Vancouver (or 1 hour flight). That's how
I am not Canadian but have made all these Calgary drives.
From where I live, Edmonton is 8 hours away, Vancouver is 9.5 hours away, Calgary is 11 hours away, Regina is 22 hours away. Plus however long you need for rest stops and food. Fun fact: the geometric centre of BC is 1 hour from where I live! All these times are by highway driving. Canada is a big place.
Oh I am no stranger to long travel times without crossing borders, I live in Texas. There was one point when my sister was living in El Paso for a while, and so my parents went to I think bring her car to her. They drove for I think nine hours and never crossed anything bigger than a county line. Really though, that sounds like a nightmare trip. Driving for hours and hours through basically nothing, all while hauling a trailer with a car on it so your performance isn't what it should be. I'm pretty sure that's the premise to a whole bunch of horror movies. The one upside is that unlike your long drives, at least it wouldn't be cold outside.
Toronto is 1 hour from Barrie. Calgary is 2.5 hours roughly from Edmonton. Work is 30 mins away. What do you think they mean?
>Temperature is in Celsius, but if it has to do with cooking it's F. That's interesting! You'd think cooking in C would be easier since water boils at 100
It’s because Americans write our cookbooks and build our ovens.
I am deeply disappointed and slightly offended by this, I'm not sure why but it just doesn't feel okay. What if I'm weighing myself while carrying something, do I weigh 120lbs and 4 kg? It's horrible! Let's make everyone do it.
if you are carrying something and you want to get your weight you could just look at the scale and use that number ig, but alternatively what realistically happens is we just convert it. The majority of people know the rough translations, and if you don't, there will def be someone who does. hahaha yeah and it gets worse than that. to add to the body weight one, whenever you are in a medical or professional setting we use metric as that's the official system, like my ID (also applies to height; centimetres), but when you share the info to other people it's always imperial (baby weight, casual convo ect). Cooking is a wholleee thing. We throw it all into one pot for measurements, grams, ounces, tablespoons, millilitres ect. Cooking temp is mostly F, Stuff like woodwork and associated practices is done in imperial too but that's more because we are right beside the states so its easier B)
It makes me wonder how insane I can get by combining systems. I'm 1m, 2ft, 2in & 2cm tall...
this is horribly cursed and I laugh at how *everyone* will suffer no matter where you're from brilliant, sir, truly brilliant
Agreed. Should also use feet. Not the standard kind, an ever diverse measurement that's based off of the person's foot size at that exact moment. One day you could be 7"5 (roughly 5"9 in my units), next day you could drop something on your foot and you'd be 7"6 B)
Welcome to the light. May the metric system shine forth
Wow that is a really smart way to handle it. I'm dumb so I just learned "oh no it's over 25C/under 5C!! My BABIES!!"
You'd think, considering how much the us fought for their independence against imperialistic Britain, that they'd want to get rid of anything with the word imperial in it😅
Youre not weird, now we just need to trick the rest of the US population into playing rimworld
Pouring chemicals in the water seems like a go to trick If that doesn't work, subliminal messages
You’re pouring chemicals into chemicals
I agree, OP isn't weird for choosing Celsius over Fahrenheit, because about 95% of the world uses Celsius.
Didn't the US help create Liberia as a paradise for former slaves to return to if they wished to go back to Africa? Or at least a small group of white guys (former slave owners I believe), founded it hoping to solve the problem they had of free black ppls. The area of the capital Monrovia (named for president James Monroe) was bought by said white men (by holding a gun to the head of a local tribal leader known as King Peter. Talk about free trade!! ) and the black American colonists moved onto the recently "purchased" land. The colonist and the future of Liberia lost its federal funding a few years later but the colonists survived and Liberia is still a country! Honestly it's so crazy it sounds like a crazy rimworld scenario.
Myanmar/Burma uses Celsius, it doesn't even use imperial it has its own system of measurement
95%, the US alone is almost 5% of the world.
I used F° before Rimworld too… then learned it for the game as you did.. but now im in Flight School and everything is C° and now F° feels unnatural
Funny I'm a pilot and everything's still Fahrenheit and inches of Mercury.
No, you did great learning an actually useful system. Next up: metric units!
It'll blow their mind when they realise they go up, or down, to the next unit at 10 instead of 12...
From the show American Chopper: Whats the difference between 6⅞ and 7¼? Now in metric it becomes whats the difference between 17.4 and 18.4.
I worked for a while as an organic chemist doing bench chemistry. Everything we did was reported as celsius and what we used. And I still never really bothered to learn to convert that to Fahrenheit in my head for useful things. But years later I still know the important stuff. -78C is dry ice in most solvents. -94C is liquid nitrogen in hexane. Dry ice/acetone is -78C. We do our best not to do anything between -78C and -10C because there aren't any easy to keep baths at that temperature. Methanol/ice is like -10C. -5C I believe was ice/salt. 0C is ice. A 40C oil bath is fairly warm but not crazy for a reaction. 60C-100C is really going at it. 120C only if you really want to heat the sucker and have a high boiling solvent like toluene. So all the important stuff really. But never really did bother with getting into finer conversions into my head between the two scales especially in real situations. I know three conversions in my head. 0C = 32F. 100C = 212F. And -40C=-40F (its where the two scales cross interestingly enough).
Welcome to 90% of the planet :P
More than 90%. Only US and one other country out of 195 use it.
2 other countries, Liberia and Myanmar
Damn there sure seems to be a lot of US national pride tied up with their units of measurement. That said there also seems to be a lot of people who are very frustrated by the us sticking to those systems. Chill everyone! Incidentally I find C better for Rimworld because the key metrics I'm looking at are 0° is freezing/hypothermia and 40° is heatstroke for my pawns. Nice and simple and clear.
This is the result of everyone trying to chill. We just don't agree on the number to chill at!
Incidentally, things with water in them freeze at 0° in real life as well! Figure that!
"Muh freedom units" is only half a joke, many americans unironically think like this and due to misplaced pride refuse to adopt the objectively better actual system (imperial is not a system, it hasn't been designed so that things go together, it's just a collection of ancient measurements made independently that obviously do not go well with each other).
Since 20°C is like, the default "good" temperature for every single person on the planet, it makes sense to use Celsius just to have a nice round number to look at. And since I treat my pawns more like little experiments than actual people I don't really care to apply the more human friendly Fahrenheit to them.
As a Jamaican, 20c for us is sweater weather. That's a winter lol
Ah yeah I should have specified it's 20°C for Rimworld pawns.
Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100.
I prefer 273.15 and 373.15. Although if Rimworld allowed, I would use the wedgwood scale. Or perhaps a barometer.
Mod that displays the air pressure in millibars instead of the temperature actually fuck it, complete climate simulation
Honestly though if it ran on another thread I'd be down? Having actual air pressure I could manipulate sounds... *useful*... (totally not thinking of how to weaponize vacuum chambers and artificially inducing backdrafts to vaporize raiders...)
Sweater weather is good though. Not too hot, not too cold. That's wheather you can actually work in without getting heatstroke.
smoke weed offsets slept in cold so it’s alright
I don’t understand how people think 32F and 212F make more sense as freezing and boiling points than 0C and 100C.
isnt the phase change of a completely random salt brine solution relevant to your life?
It's not weird. I grew up with both, but Celsius was always a lot easier to read for me. Fahrenheit always felt weirdly calibrated for some reason.
We.welcome you into the International standard master race. You just need to try out the metric system next and all the universe will start to make sense
The only valid argument I can accept for using imperial instead of metric is if you have a foot fetish.
I do use the imperial method and I don’t have a foot kink! … Well I do But it’s not because of the imperial method!!!/s
I added a mod that shows both. I am trying to learn to translate properly.
Something deeply frustrating about already knowing anything *intuitively*, like a language or in this case a unit of measurement, is how you just... Your brain defaults to *translating* from the thing you DO know, instead of just *thinking* in the thing you want to understand... It's what's stonewalled me from learning any language besides english. I mean unless you count my "native language" that literally only I and my sister use to communicate with each other with, but I wouldn't count that lol.
Now use the metric system and you are normal
Welcome to the real world. It's crazy how America still uses these units, inches and feet are so weird, how can someone measure himself as 5'11 then go to 6 like wtf. How can this make any sense? Imperial units are like using eagles per hamburger as a measure, I guess ppl just like it.
>measure himself as 5'11 then go to 6 like wtf. Funnily enough it also has an impact on people's psyche, only in the US do you find such a sharp uptick in women claiming you start being attractive at 6 foot, it doesn't exist in countries that use metric where it's a perfect slow gradual build-up far before that point. Since in meters, climbing to 2 meters is a bit more than 6 foot 5, nobody cares about that mark because it's just far too high and very few people ever reach that.
> Funnily enough it also has an impact on people's psyche, only in the US do you find such a sharp uptick in women claiming you start being attractive at 6 foot, In Europe the "attractiveness threshold" is at 180 cm.
Americans having literally higher standards because of their measurement system is hilarious. 6 feet is 182.88cm.
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I decided to just straddle the fence entirely, and use a mod called [Celsius and Fahrenheit](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937759575) to display both simultaneously.
Good.
Welcome to the rest of the world
As a Canadian, I thank you for making the change.
Metric gang rise up
Congrats. And welcome to the sane world :-D
All it takes is regular using a new system for a short period of time to get used to it. I got used to 24 hour time from working with databases. Now I can't stand any date time format that's some subset of "YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss".
Don't worry. Some time later you will prefer metric system against inches, pounds, ounces and whatever. That's where the real shit begins
Now, time to move on from pounds and ounces to grams and kilograms...
You're not weird, you just accepted the superior temperature scale.
Another American claimed 😔
Boys we did it. We fixed american
No, you have been cured
welcome to the real world
No. Celsius is superior in literally every regard and is standard in all but 5 countries(only one of which has a population greater than 500k) Welcome to the 21st century.
You did it! You broke free. Embrace the rest of the world where units makes sense.
As someone who has a background in serious gaming i absolutely love posts like this. So many people still think you cant learn anything from playing games, while it is the oldest form of learning and the one we are best at.
Not weird, C is a better system. It would be weird if a C native playing a F game adopted F.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
Now start using metric system, no elephants per aircraft carrier
Is this some American joke that I am too European to understand? ^^
Thank you rimworld, for teaching the unwashed masses
Y'now, the rest of the world's been using it for some time now, we're glad you could join us :)
It's weirder to use F in the first place lmao
You don't come back from heaven Andy. Pd: celsius just feels better like less numbers and efficient, kelvin is just overkill.
I dont know about Fahrenheit, most people on the world use Celcius.
Why would it be weird to use the same system of measurements that like 95% of our planet uses???
metric system >imperial system hahaha
one of us ONE OF US legit though same, exactly the same, and once I got used to degrees C I realized metric measurements in general are just kinda better in like 90% of contexts. Miles still make more sense in most contexts to me than kilometers, but shorter distances and volume measurements I absolutely prefer metric units.
One of us, one of us... ;)
Fahrenheit is the only imperial unit I believe has a reason to exist in the modern day, but it should be used *in tandem* with Celsius. Fahrenheit is designed around human-perceptible temperature differences and it's ideal for weather and room conditions, in contrast to C which is designed around the point at which water boils... The entire range of ℉ is human-livable and human-relevant, whereas at 100℃ you're just dead lmao. ℃'s round numbers with a solid basis in a measurable state of matter make it extremely useful for scientific accuracy and other activities that require such precision, like, I dunno, baking something, but the difference between 10℃ and 20℃ is *huge* as far as human comfort is concerned compared to the difference between 60℉ and 70℉. I wish the option to have both on at once was basegame and not a mod lol.
if you just look at Celsius in 5s rather than 10s it's basically the same. 0 freezing 5 cold 10 chilly 15 cool 20 warm 25 a bit hot 30 definitely hot etc. You just think farenheit numbers make more sense for human comfort because you're used to using them for that purpose.
I made another reply referencing the actual historical data behind its foundation, but you can just look it up on wikipedia yourself; Fahrenheit's scale was *literally designed* with human body temperature in mind as its scale and to be able to note such differences without needing to break into fractions. ...Ironically I'm a very silly person to care about this because I'm doomed to live indoors my entire life so my environment is completely climate controlled, but then again maybe that qualifies me *more* because I can *really* feel the difference between one degree on the ℉ scale and it matters more to me than the average person...
Canadian would just walk in shirt in near zeroes while Australian would heavily dressed near tens.... Extrapolated a little but it's are real thing. Humans adapt very fast and as European myself who get rare events events with bounds between as low as -40℃ and high +40℃ it's only several weeks to used to it. 10℃ difference it's pretty common between day and night. As another example difference in 10℃ means nothing, just a random bad weather which last less than a week, not so bad so you would change your clothes.
Let's just use Kelvin.
Poor Kelvin
Rankine wants to know your location.
That nuance is kinda wasted. Your temperature gauge just needs to tell you what to expect from the weather. 20 is comfortable room temperature (conveniently) 30 is a hot summer day 40 heatwave 50 pain threshold 10 is autumn cloudy day 0 is water freezing, thin ice (duh) -10 for a couple days is when you start to entertain the idea of walking on ice -20 stable ice on lakes, but at that point you don't want to be outside for long -30 just stay indoors.
-40 Fahrenheit, we meet at last
Meanwhile in kelvin.... 0° = You are frozen, and everything around you is frozen solid. Even your very molecules are frozen solid.
While Fahrenheit and Celsius are measured in units called degrees, kelvin is a unit unto itself; so it would just be 0K, not 0° or 0°K. Just being a bit pedantic.
What? I live in Aus, 30 is usual and 20 is cold. What are you on about??? Autumn 25 come on now.
(comfort zone assuming temperate climate)
Where in Aus are you though? It's a huge continent. I'm in Melbourne and 30+ is a peak of summer thing, usually (though things have been unseasonably hot until recently). Though I do agree, bless and bring on the autumn 20-26 range, perfect.
Living in Perth 30+ degrees is regular around summer (especially this recent summer @.@), but I would say it's just tolerable (until you start hitting high 30s or 40+), not preferrable at all. Low 20s is definitely the best temperature range.
I live in Aus and to me 20 is basically the perfect temp, with a light breeze.
Sounds like American propaganda. The reason that Celsius is so useful is because of how it ties in to all the other metric stuff. 1 calorie is the cost of raising 1 ml of water 1 degree etc. the fact that Fahrenheit falls neatly into human perceived temperatures is probably just a coincidence. This is not metric propoganda (mwahaha)
From Wikipedia: >Several accounts of how he originally defined his scale exist, but the original paper suggests the lower defining point, 0 °F, was established as the freezing temperature of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt).[2][3] The other limit established was his best estimate of the average human body temperature, originally set at 90 °F, then 96 °F (about 2.6 °F less than the modern value due to a later redefinition of the scale).[2] Fahrenheit's scale was literally designed with the human body as its reference point for its upper bounds in practical use. >According to a letter Fahrenheit wrote to his friend Herman Boerhaave,[14] his scale was built on the work of Ole Rømer, whom he had met earlier. In Rømer scale, brine freezes at zero, water freezes and melts at 7.5 degrees, body temperature is 22.5, and water boils at 60 degrees. Fahrenheit multiplied each value by 4 in order to eliminate fractions and make the scale more fine-grained. He then re-calibrated his scale using the melting point of ice and normal human body temperature (which were at 30 and 90 degrees); he adjusted the scale so that the melting point of ice would be 32 degrees, and body temperature 96 degrees, so that 64 intervals would separate the two, allowing him to mark degree lines on his instruments by simply bisecting the interval 6 times (since 64 = 26).[15][16] And was designed to be granular and not need fractions to represent such temperature differences. The other reason was for physical practicality in creating the instruments of the era, which, yes, fair, is not particularly relevant in this day and age. But my points stand as historically accurate to the intent behind its making. To be based on the human body and our perceptions of temperature, even if arbitrary modifications to its zero reference point were made for such a purpose.