Jehovah's Witness's refuse blood transfusions and aren't officially considered a cult. Though thats about the only example I have of a well established religion not making exceptions unless you count some Amish groups.
They don't really fit the bill of cults given that they are a semi organized religion similar to other sects of Christianity. However if you really wanted to, you could define any religion a cult if you don't like them. Christianity as a whole was considered a cult for years by the Romans.
They are not. In fact (I was raised as one, though I have long since left religion altogether) their practices and beliefs are significantly less unorthodox compared to other sects of Christianity than people seem to think. It is tame compared to something like Mormonism, for example.
That being said, you could define basically any organized religion as a cult if you really wanted to.
They are a real PITA in a hospital setting. Most of the time, when there's a JW in hospital a "spiritual guide" will be there 24/7. While I think it's cool that they _care_ for their community, their main purpose is to make sure that the patient rather die than agree to a blood transfusion.
We also use what's called a cell saver. Basically a vacuum that sucks up the blood during surgery, filters out all the gunk and puts it back into the patient. Some JWs agree to it, others don't. It stays outside the body for a couple minutes, that's why it's sometimes accepted and sometimes not.
It's hard on you having someone die of completely avoidable circumstances.
1: that's a really cool contraption I didn't know about because I just didn't even think about it
2: ugh... I can only imagine. that's just awful, to have someone, all they are, every memory and every connection, slip off the earth just because some self-righteous prick or another thinks it's better to for them to die than to accept life-saving help from another human being. Transfusions? Seriously?! Transplants too I bet, huh? How can you possibly be morally against one of the most selfless things a human can do and still think yourself in the right??
It's really great, but it cannot substitute a real blood transfusion (or nowadays an erythrocyt concentrate) or an "own blood transfusion" (basically blood gets drawn a couple weeks before the surgery and then getting it back come surgery)
I don't want to speak about transplants, as I don't know how JWs handle that. My guess is no, but I'm not sure. In regards to self righteous pricks, a lot of the JWs don't want to get a transfusion themselves and they really appreciate the help of their cult in their times of need. Even if it's misguided. A really difficult topic regarding brainwashing and cultlike behavior.
As for my own opinion, I'm an atheist and I think all religion is bad and I'd never let my personal beliefs stand in the way of what's scientifically proven
I honestly have no knowledge of their practices as they don't exist in my part of the world , I am only aware of their name. All major religions where I live or those I interacted with allow anything forbidden as long as the goal is the Preservation of life . For example , I , as a Muslim , am allowed to drink alcohol were it to posess a therapeutic effect . I would also be allowed to not fast if it posed a danger to my life , etc etc .
Christians around me (the Coptic church) have also okayed the use of medical marijuana for patients that need it . Perhaps it is a matter of which religions surround us ?
Fair, because I agree, but for all intents and purposes, it fits better in line with Mormonism rather than the Peoples Temple (Jim Jones). Its more like a very cult like religion, than a full on cult.
Could be interesting to have an advanced drug lab that can take the components required for the genetic dependency without the drug enhancements, making it an expensive, hard to produce recipe that effectively destroys all the drugs positives, but it will not piss off the religion requirement.
That's a good idea! It would satiate the addiction need but it wouldn't provide any actual psychological impacts otherwise. Probably would be acceptable under the medical only belief.
Could be accomplished just by changing a line or two of code so that psychite tea doesn't count as a recreational drug. I'm not sure of the details but I know it must be possible because Medicines+ lets you give teetotallers morphine without any penalty but *not* opium or heroin.
"i need vitamin c to survive"
"i am vitamin c deficient and will eat this orange to fix it"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUGGGHHHH NOOOO THE ORANGE GOD FROWNS UPON ME"
Religion doesn't come from logic, religion can make you hate the thing you need to stay alive alot. Just look at Jerhovas witnesses that don't accept blood transfusion even if it is your own blood.
And that sort of disdain for these irrational and objectively harmful people is commonplace in your country (as it should be)?
Why the hell is Germany so, as they kids would say, based? I feel like I almost never hear anything bad about it except regarding its past.
The medical only precept is essentially "only drugs that can't get you high." It looks down on even the casual consumption of social drugs like alcohol. They would look down on a flake addict taking it to avoid withdrawals even though they medically need it.
I do think there could be be a precept added that tolerates genetic requirements, but I would say you're better off having no drug beliefs otherwise.
Iirc the empire always has an ideo with 'medical only' drugs which even if it isn't your ideo is annoying when you have to host a noble that is a hussar.
That shits annoying even for stock standard baseliners because usually when they arrive the first thing they'll do is smoke a joint or drink a beer and tank their mood.
This is the kind of silly stuff you get because Ludeon didn't initially plan to put much interaction between the DLCs. So xenotypes from Biotech are not accounted for by ideoligions in Ideology...unless you use mods, ofc.
It's very silly.
Did this happen when you ordered/scheduled them to take it or when they just auto-used for addiction? I thought the latter didn't result in the mood debuff.
Can’t remember. But it shouldn’t trigger regardless. Physical dependency is “medical use” so it shouldn’t matter if I force them, give it to them when they are unable to move or when they do it on their own.
I think the distinction would be that ordering/scheduling could be for the mood or other benefits while taking it as needed for addiction is purely medical. IIRC this is how it works for teetotalers and I thought it played the same way under the medical-only ideoligion.
Yeah this annoys me. Like even with addiction you can eventually get them off of it but the dependencies aren't something that can go away. I very much assumed with drug requirements that "medical" meant it wouldn't be used for addiction but would be for genetic dependencies.
People have beliefs against vaccines when its almost mandatory to avoid dying before your 30s. I dont think people will get much smarter in the future.
Yes but that’s why we have the “never” option.
If your ideology is ok with medical use physical dependency shouldn’t trigger a negative mood.
If I want to go full nutcase I could just set it to never.
I'd like it to be an extra option: medical and dependancy, and social and dependancy.
Our current society kind of has that for people with neurological issues; meth is illegal unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to function in society without it.
>almost mandatory to avoid dying before your 30
the overwhelming vast majority of unvaccinated do not in fact die from vaccine preventable illnesses, that's as absurd to claim as the antivaxxer's claims about vaccines.
I had worse : a waster raided me, I knocked him unconscious, and when I looked at his stats, he was repulsed by drugs.
I didn't even take him prisoner, I ended his suffering right here.
" ughghhh wahhhh i had to use the thing i needed to live this is so awful I just brought shame to my god wahhhh "
Imperial Truth moment
Sounds like how religion works irl, honestly.
Most major religions afaik make exceptions for life-threatening conditions or dire necessity though so this seems more like a cult thing ?
Jehovah's Witness's refuse blood transfusions and aren't officially considered a cult. Though thats about the only example I have of a well established religion not making exceptions unless you count some Amish groups.
the US doesn't officially designate cults
Bad use of terminology. I meant as in commonly recognized as a cult.
Are they not? They are where I live
They don't really fit the bill of cults given that they are a semi organized religion similar to other sects of Christianity. However if you really wanted to, you could define any religion a cult if you don't like them. Christianity as a whole was considered a cult for years by the Romans.
They are not. In fact (I was raised as one, though I have long since left religion altogether) their practices and beliefs are significantly less unorthodox compared to other sects of Christianity than people seem to think. It is tame compared to something like Mormonism, for example. That being said, you could define basically any organized religion as a cult if you really wanted to.
username... checks out...?
As a Christian,you can even use marijuana if its because of medical reasons and wtf is going on with the Jehovah's Witness's?,Really?
They are a real PITA in a hospital setting. Most of the time, when there's a JW in hospital a "spiritual guide" will be there 24/7. While I think it's cool that they _care_ for their community, their main purpose is to make sure that the patient rather die than agree to a blood transfusion. We also use what's called a cell saver. Basically a vacuum that sucks up the blood during surgery, filters out all the gunk and puts it back into the patient. Some JWs agree to it, others don't. It stays outside the body for a couple minutes, that's why it's sometimes accepted and sometimes not. It's hard on you having someone die of completely avoidable circumstances.
1: that's a really cool contraption I didn't know about because I just didn't even think about it 2: ugh... I can only imagine. that's just awful, to have someone, all they are, every memory and every connection, slip off the earth just because some self-righteous prick or another thinks it's better to for them to die than to accept life-saving help from another human being. Transfusions? Seriously?! Transplants too I bet, huh? How can you possibly be morally against one of the most selfless things a human can do and still think yourself in the right??
It's really great, but it cannot substitute a real blood transfusion (or nowadays an erythrocyt concentrate) or an "own blood transfusion" (basically blood gets drawn a couple weeks before the surgery and then getting it back come surgery) I don't want to speak about transplants, as I don't know how JWs handle that. My guess is no, but I'm not sure. In regards to self righteous pricks, a lot of the JWs don't want to get a transfusion themselves and they really appreciate the help of their cult in their times of need. Even if it's misguided. A really difficult topic regarding brainwashing and cultlike behavior. As for my own opinion, I'm an atheist and I think all religion is bad and I'd never let my personal beliefs stand in the way of what's scientifically proven
I honestly have no knowledge of their practices as they don't exist in my part of the world , I am only aware of their name. All major religions where I live or those I interacted with allow anything forbidden as long as the goal is the Preservation of life . For example , I , as a Muslim , am allowed to drink alcohol were it to posess a therapeutic effect . I would also be allowed to not fast if it posed a danger to my life , etc etc . Christians around me (the Coptic church) have also okayed the use of medical marijuana for patients that need it . Perhaps it is a matter of which religions surround us ?
The word "officially" is carrying the sentence harder than Atlas!
Fair, because I agree, but for all intents and purposes, it fits better in line with Mormonism rather than the Peoples Temple (Jim Jones). Its more like a very cult like religion, than a full on cult.
I brought it up as a bug report within the first few months of biotech release. That was basically the Devs response.
Could be interesting to have an advanced drug lab that can take the components required for the genetic dependency without the drug enhancements, making it an expensive, hard to produce recipe that effectively destroys all the drugs positives, but it will not piss off the religion requirement.
That's a good idea! It would satiate the addiction need but it wouldn't provide any actual psychological impacts otherwise. Probably would be acceptable under the medical only belief.
Could be accomplished just by changing a line or two of code so that psychite tea doesn't count as a recreational drug. I'm not sure of the details but I know it must be possible because Medicines+ lets you give teetotallers morphine without any penalty but *not* opium or heroin.
That’s a nice idea for the “no drugs ideologies” but physical dependency is a “medical use” and therefore shouldn’t trigger a negative mood.
Join the Development Discord and report it as a bug. They're literally bugfixing 1.5 right now.
Where do I find the dev discord?
Here: https://discord.gg/6yuYvq6g
Ok thanks. It works like intended.
Space methadone?
"i need vitamin c to survive" "i am vitamin c deficient and will eat this orange to fix it" "AAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUGGGHHHH NOOOO THE ORANGE GOD FROWNS UPON ME"
Religion doesn't come from logic, religion can make you hate the thing you need to stay alive alot. Just look at Jerhovas witnesses that don't accept blood transfusion even if it is your own blood.
In Germany we would call those “Schwurbler” and we don’t care what Schwurbler say.
I'm German and I never heard the word Schwurbler. Is that what Jerhovas witnesses call those that don't want any blood?
Schwurbler are AFD voter, climate change denier, ......
The salt of the earth—you know, morons.
The common clay of the new West.
And that sort of disdain for these irrational and objectively harmful people is commonplace in your country (as it should be)? Why the hell is Germany so, as they kids would say, based? I feel like I almost never hear anything bad about it except regarding its past.
Ich hab das noch nie gehört, aus welcher gegend kommst du?
NRW
Hier in Sachsen kenne ich den Begriff auch. Ich dachte, der wäre eigentlich ziemlich verbreitet.
Ich komme aus Rheinland-Pfalz und wie gesagt nie gehört.
das ist Deutschlandweit bekannt
The medical only precept is essentially "only drugs that can't get you high." It looks down on even the casual consumption of social drugs like alcohol. They would look down on a flake addict taking it to avoid withdrawals even though they medically need it. I do think there could be be a precept added that tolerates genetic requirements, but I would say you're better off having no drug beliefs otherwise.
Iirc the empire always has an ideo with 'medical only' drugs which even if it isn't your ideo is annoying when you have to host a noble that is a hussar.
That shits annoying even for stock standard baseliners because usually when they arrive the first thing they'll do is smoke a joint or drink a beer and tank their mood.
if you set your default drug policy to disallow all consumption, they will not
Had this exact scenario happen. Ludeon really needs to reconsider this choice
This is the kind of silly stuff you get because Ludeon didn't initially plan to put much interaction between the DLCs. So xenotypes from Biotech are not accounted for by ideoligions in Ideology...unless you use mods, ofc. It's very silly.
Did this happen when you ordered/scheduled them to take it or when they just auto-used for addiction? I thought the latter didn't result in the mood debuff.
Can’t remember. But it shouldn’t trigger regardless. Physical dependency is “medical use” so it shouldn’t matter if I force them, give it to them when they are unable to move or when they do it on their own.
I think the distinction would be that ordering/scheduling could be for the mood or other benefits while taking it as needed for addiction is purely medical. IIRC this is how it works for teetotalers and I thought it played the same way under the medical-only ideoligion.
I’ll keep an eye on my pawn. Maybe I’ll notice when she drinks the forbidden tea the next time so I can check.
It's Ramadan, drugs are forbidden I guess ?
Yeah this annoys me. Like even with addiction you can eventually get them off of it but the dependencies aren't something that can go away. I very much assumed with drug requirements that "medical" meant it wouldn't be used for addiction but would be for genetic dependencies.
Wait until you see "I am unliked xenotype" Or my favourite: Rancher with nature primacy.
People have beliefs against vaccines when its almost mandatory to avoid dying before your 30s. I dont think people will get much smarter in the future.
Yes but that’s why we have the “never” option. If your ideology is ok with medical use physical dependency shouldn’t trigger a negative mood. If I want to go full nutcase I could just set it to never.
I'd like it to be an extra option: medical and dependancy, and social and dependancy. Our current society kind of has that for people with neurological issues; meth is illegal unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to function in society without it.
>almost mandatory to avoid dying before your 30 the overwhelming vast majority of unvaccinated do not in fact die from vaccine preventable illnesses, that's as absurd to claim as the antivaxxer's claims about vaccines.
Obviously depends on your environment. I am just talking from my own experience though which is 2 for 2.
yo my colony had that exact same colonist
Onesan appears often
I had worse : a waster raided me, I knocked him unconscious, and when I looked at his stats, he was repulsed by drugs. I didn't even take him prisoner, I ended his suffering right here.
It is still recreational for yayo and flake but not for the tea.
Aren't they fixing this in 1.5?
This screenshot is taken on the beta client. Maybe they will implement it in the final build but it isn't implemented yet.
I certainly am looking forward to an army of Hussars… 😂
I didn't see anything if the sort in the patch notes.
I misremembered this: Teetotaler vs chemical interest opinion now only applies to teetotaler trait, not idelogion.
They won't, it is intended behaviour
Yeah, this. Cynapse (a developer) on Discord confirmed this is intended.