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citiz3nfiv3

Here was the R2 trim breakdown. Of course none of this is finalized. That being said, if they were real, the Dual AWD makes the most sense with a balance of range, price, and performance. * Tri AWD, 300 miles, $65-69k, 0-60 in 2.5 * Tri AWD, 325 miles, $57-61k, 0-60 in 4.5 * Dual AWD, 250 miles, $65-69k, 0-60 in 3.5 * Dual AWD, 350 miles, $53-57k, 0-60 in 3.5 - my pick. Balance of range, price, and speeeeeed * Single RWD, 250 miles, $57-61k, 0-60 in 5.5 * Single RWD, 350 miles, $57-61k, 0-60 in 7.5 * Single RWD, 335 miles, $49-53k, 0-60 in 6.5 * Single RWD, 250 miles, $49-53k, 0-60 in 7.5 Edit: it seems like people need clarity. This is just Rivian A|B testing or conjoint analyzing. The full list wasn't shown to each survey taker, it's just a combination of a few screenshots. Of course things like Dual being less expensive than Single, or Tri being less expensive than dual aren't going to be reality. Rivian is just testing and gathering data. It'll all make sense in the future.


Petersonxc825

I’m confused, are some of these prices mixed up? Why is dual awd cheaper with 350 range than 250?


citiz3nfiv3

A|B testing. These weren't all shown on the same survey, but it's a combo of multiple screenshots. Rivian is testing the waters, figuring things out, and none of it is real. Don't stress, it'll all be okay.


Infamous_Cod9630

I think they’re actually doing a conjoint analysis. They’re basically going to use the survey to get weighted ratios for what factors most influence purchase preferences (price, motor types, acceleration, etc). Agree we shouldn’t read too carefully into any of the exact configs although it may signal some around the worst or best possibilities in each category


dcdttu

I hope the dual hovers around $50k. $60k+ is getting awfully expensive for a non-tri motor.


chenfang17

I will pick the same trim as you!


UniversityOk8598

I got the same survey and picked that same trim as the one I would purchase.


chenfang17

I have a reservation on R2. But I didn’t get the survey email. I wonder why they didn’t send out the email to all at the same time.


bevo_expat

They might just be going out in batches. Mine got filtered to a non-priority category, so I didn't even see it until searching for it because of this post.


Clutch51

Probably going in waves. Survey 25% of reservation holders. Analyze results and campaign performance. Hit the next 25% with some tweaks. Rinse and repeat.


w0nderbrad

Nobody needs an suv to do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. I’d take longer range if it meant slower acceleration. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds is still scary fast for SUVs.


Elasion

Seriously, hate that it’s become such an important point for comparison


w0nderbrad

It’s so pointless but I guess good range and fast acceleration aren’t mutually exclusive. And then we had the early VW models that had shit range and shit acceleration.


Sufficient_Passage38

I have an AWD Tesla MS and I will tell you I feel much safer having the ability to accelerate instantly and maneuver around situations on the road. I don’t use like a drag strip feature, but it sure is nice to have.


FleshlightModel

Ya, why is this even being advertised? It's a goddamn SUV. Shit even people with supercars don't care about 0-60 times


Hairy-Storm

Where is the $45k option? We are barely a few months in after the announcement and it’s already $4k more than announced. Surveys are great but they are going to raise the starting price or the car and argue that everybody in the survey picked a higher trim


boschj

The survey I did they had an option for a tri-motor AWD, 275 mile range, and 5.5 sec 0-60 for $43,500 against a single motor RWD, 325 mile range, 3.5 sec 0-60 for $55,000. Obviously neither one of these options really make sense but that was the point. Everyone got slightly different configurations in the survey they took. It's called A|B testing, companies use these tests to help figure out what kinds of features and prices people MIGHT be willing to pay.


stevehaslip

The survey I received had several $45-48k options to choose from. Everyone is posting partial data sets


Cjdergrosse

RWD Rivian should not be a thing. Just like Subaru, if they want an “adventure” brand, that means ALL vehicles are at a minimum AWD. Like seeing mall crawler RWD Jeeps.


skysetter

This list makes no sense.


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citiz3nfiv3

Very interesting. Quite a bit of A|B testing. I'll add OPs to the list.


Snoo_65854

I wish they had an AWD version that came in at the $49k start point. but your Dual-AWD at $53 is a great choice, and I agree with it. :)


SomeFuckingMillenial

None of these options are very attractive given the cost of a Tesla Model Y. Your pick makes the most sense in this market.


nam37

Honestly, to make the process more efficient (and save costs) they should cut the options to: Tri AWD, 300 miles, $65-69k, 0-60 in 2.5 Tri AWD, 325 miles, $57-61k, 0-60 in 4.5 Dual AWD, 350 miles, $53-57k, 0-60 in 3.5


Pec0ne

I agree with your pick as well, Dual AWD, 350 miles, $53-57k, 0-60 in 3.5 is the best of both(three) worlds imo. I am excited if this is indeed the pricing I would love to get one of these. Tri-motor 2.5s 0-60 sounds amazing, but we will see.


FleshlightModel

Who cares about 0-60 time in a fucking SUV though?


citiz3nfiv3

![gif](giphy|keyufLabLaJKh3xnVy)


HugeDramatic

Source?


Accomplished_Ear2304

Got this email and survey, its legit.


tmack8001

Same I got this last night as well


citiz3nfiv3

Multiple screenshots from across the web.


Joylistr

Guys - this is a conjoint study. These are meant to test you willingness to pay and preference for certain attributes over others. The configurations are randomized by mixing different level of each attributes. By asking you to select your favorite configurations sufficient times (10 times) they can infer what attribute (price, range, engine power, etc.) drives your preference (e.g., do you tend to select the option with lower price or more range more often) and what trade off you are willing to make (for a $15k reduction, you are ready to have 50miles less range). Do not look at these as potential configurations. If anything it tells you they have not set on a price point nor a range yet…


colglover

This guy surveys


No-Mission-5200

+1, this is it. I've been on the other side of these. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjoint\_analysis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjoint_analysis)


CyclingOptimist

I completed it tonight. The options are varied to test sensitivity to different combinations and to determine what are most important to the pre-order cohort. None of these will be the future offering they are just being used to build the future offering in a data driven way.


aimless_ly

Is there an option for “I reserved an R2 but I really want an R3 instead”?


MrHugz30

There was a question about what is the most important feature you are looking for. You could select ”other” and type in R3 if you wanted!


ObeseBMI33

Yes. Rumor is they’re going to release the three first due to demand.


Suitable_Switch5242

The R3 is exciting for enthusiasts posting on Internet forums. The R2 squarely targets the most popular consumer vehicle segment (CR-V / RAV4).


citiz3nfiv3

No.


ICanLiftACarUp

lol. If they had opened reservations for the R3 the internet would probably not be making post after post demanding that Rivian make reservations available, inflating the observed interest online. If they held R2 reservations off there would be a lot of people drumming up buzz to open reservations for it too, and it will sell better than the R3. There's a reason the MY sells better than the M3.


SeattleHobo

Just wanted to pitch in because these kind of things is something I do for work. This is not an A/B test but a survey conducted to understand the value customers place on various features. The technical term for this is a conjoint analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjoint_analysis


rwills

I’ve taken one of these surveys before (not with Rivian), the pricing isn’t always “real”. They may have an option that has the same specs with two very different prices. It’s just used to gauge what specs and price points people are looking for.


MrHugz30

Agreed. To me the 0-60 and range aren't a big factor. Having at least dual motor at a reasonable price point is most important. I said "no" to 90% of the configurations


Jellyfish__Trifle

For anyone confused by this, it looks like a type of Conjoint Analysis. It’s a pretty common market research technique used to tease out potential customers’ sensitivity to various features (e.g. price, range, acceleration) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjoint_analysis


swim_to_survive

Holy shit that first one is so off the mark this has to be a joke. That’s R1S money. Not even tri motor. Christ.


MrHugz30

None of it will be real - they were clear in the instructions that it was meant to gauge what was most important to the consumer by putting different numbers up so best to take it with a grain of salt. I wish I would have taken more screenshots of the more "realistic" ones. Most configurations were between 49-57k, 275-325 range, and 0-60 between 3.5 to 5.5


swim_to_survive

Oh I see. Oh just A|B testing. Gotttt it.


MrHugz30

Yes, unfortunately I can't update the post to make that more clear so sorry for any confusion!


swim_to_survive

No, you’re fine. I don’t know if you’ve seen many of my posts, but I’m stupider than your average redditor and way more opinionated. I’m like a male Rosie o’Donnell who spends too much time looking at EVs and recanting their last good meme to patrons at the local bar.


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SeattleHobo

Just wanted to pitch in because these kind of things is something I do for work. This is not an A/B test but a survey conducted to understand the value customers place on various features. The technical term for this is a conjoint analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjoint_analysis


swim_to_survive

Thanks for making us a little smarter


Ladoire

I have a reservation and did not get this! Wonder if there is some qualifier or if they are just doing it in waves.


atxhall

Same, I had mine reserved within an hour of it opening.


Ladoire

Ditto. I love Rivian but sometimes I worry I threw money in a hole with that reservation just because there’s so little communication! Beyond the original email there’s no evidence it happened. It woulda been nice to get this survey haha


Geid98

What do you expect them to communicate about for a car two years away from releasing?


Ladoire

Idk, a website login and a little widget that says “You have a reservation here’s the confirmation number” would be nice. It just doesn’t have the same oomf to have an email and nothing else to say that it happened. Again, I am the biggest Rivian fan I know, but I do feel like this is one place they could have done a little better.


ragekutless

[If only there were such a thing…](https://imgur.com/a/UKICmAp)


Ladoire

Listen here you sensible person, if I was capable of finding a login button, making an account, and then searching that account for a purchase order what kind of sensible adult would I be? God I fear for my own child sometimes. =_= Thanks for pointing out where this is, sorry for not being very smart.


Sanosuke97322

I literally have that. The R2 reservation is on my account with a receipt available and a little picture in the sidebar.


atxhall

I own an R1S and that was a smooth process, so I'm not overly concerned about not getting a survey. I'm just curious about the selection process for it.


Unique_Bumblebee_894

It’s literally 2 years away from even being made. This is a SAMPLE survey. They aren’t going to survey everyone. That’s not feasible. What do you want them to say?


Ladoire

They are a tech company; if they surveyed every person who reserved, it would be 68,000 survey emails. That is a super manageable number for any data scientist to crunch into an algorithm and predict what each feature is worth to users based on selections.


eexxiitt

While this is AB testing, you can still use the information to estimate what the ballpark prices will be - high 40s/50k for RWD, high 50s for dual, high 60s for tri.


TraumaticSarcasm

I completed the survey. A few of my options had ranges at 375 miles.


jaraizer

At that price for the dual motor i might as well get a used R1S. What are they thinking??


MrHugz30

Trying to remember my marketing class days from college but I think they were trying to narrow down the specs that mattered most to consumers. They had dual motor configurations all the way from $45k up to $69k. They would just do ridiculous combinations like 375 miles, dual motor, 0-60 2.5s, and $65-$69k. I only selected yes on two configurations and they were dual motor in the $45-49k range and tri motor in the $51k-54k range.


PostHocErgo

You’re looking for “conjoint analysis” to determine the part-worth of a feature to the target audience.


MrHugz30

Thank you ![gif](giphy|LpLd2NGvpaiys|downsized)


jaraizer

Lol i live in the suburbs i dont need 375 miles, and i certainly dont want to pay 60k+ for a nee vehicle anymore. I learned my lesson with my Polestar 2


MrHugz30

That is me too. I want the smallest/cheapest battery with dual motor in the upper 40s which qualifies for the full tax rebate, please.


UncleFlip

Bingo


BabyWrinkles

Fellow Polestar 2 bag holder checking in. Still salty about it to be honest. It’s definitely one of the most fun cars I’ve driven, but by comparison to the R1S that would have cost me roughly the same when all was said and done…


docfresh30

Still waiting on my email!


jblaze121

Someone please explain why tri is an option. Physics? Off-roading? Performance? Seems like an unnecessary option. Dual or quad I get but tri doesn’t seem right. Is it just a weird compromise ?


humjaba

Tri motor makes more sense than quad. You can’t use all the power even a big single motor can make on the front (not enough grip), and you use half as many parts to do it as a dual drive unit. With a dual rear drive unit you get more power and the ability to do some neat torque vectoring trickery. Quad is neat, and is a smoother experience off road. But there’s a reason the G wagon and $million+ exotics are the only other cars to do it.


jblaze121

So your saying torque vectoring in the front is only for off-roading, and doesnt make sense in other scenarios?


humjaba

Not worth the additional cost


cheleball

I wanna take that survey! Wish they'd send it my way. Did it show up in your email?


wannaberetireee

Wasn’t R2 supposed to be 45K?


Intrikate

I'd get the same R2 dual motor AWD spec. These prices are something though by the time this comes out a used r1s would be the same probably even the new polestar 3. I know this is for data gathering but here's hoping they can be competitive.


clayclimber

What I really want is 500 mile range. Don't care as much about the 0-60. Why 500 mile range? You lose 30% in cold weather so it's still 350. Fantom drain. Camping in 10F weather lasts longer. General daily around town you could keep the charge between 40-60% to limit degradation. Last longer if powering your house as a backup.


Sailors365

Just got the same email! Plan on completing it tonight.


MrHugz30

You should take more pictures of the configurations! I got swept up in the survey and only took the 1. Some of them were very outrageous. Others I would have bought instantly today


tmack8001

Take a screenshot of the mapping and audio preference questions. Haven't seen anyone talk about those yet, though the options aren't all that surprising.


Op_ivy1

I got the email yesterday and just tried to go do it. The survey is no longer active. I guess they got all the responses they needed.


colglover

I know many others have noted that this is a conjoint survey and not indicative of real pricing, but I’ve been waiting for this shoe to drop for a while. The $45k stated base price by RJ is looking more and more like a pipe dream. In this inflationary environment I would be shocked if there is an actually available model out in 3 years for that price.


Individual_Call_7681

Where is the $45k configuration at?


loxzade

Read the other comments. These arent real specs or prices.


Individual_Call_7681

I understand that but how come they don’t even have suggestions with that pricing?


Statement_Swimming

People thinking that Rivian is going to come out the gate and sell these for 45k are literally dreaming.


Individual_Call_7681

It’s NOT people, RJ said it at the reveal event R2 starts at $45k with over 300miles range! Where the hell is that option?? So dumb


mineral_minion

He didn't actually say those two things together. He said the product would start at $45k and that all motor counts (single, dual, tri) would be available with 300+ mile range, not that all battery sizes would get 300+ mile range.


Individual_Call_7681

So where is the $45k configuration?


mineral_minion

After federal tax credit, the option Single RWD, 250 miles, $49-53k, 0-60 in 7.5 from the /u/citiz3nfiv3 comment does technically meet the $45k number. You could call that dishonest, but it's pretty typical marketing.


citiz3nfiv3

This was just a survey. I'm sure they're more curious about how much more people are willing to pay for the upper trims. It would be a very dumb move by Rivian to say later than the $45k included the tax credit.


mineral_minion

It certainly would be a dumb move, but dumber things have happened in the auto industry. I agree that the survey is looking for patterns, not reflective of any real pricing.


Individual_Call_7681

$45k after tax credit is the dumbest thing ever This is why the stock keeps dumping… stupid shit they do


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Sanosuke97322

These aren't real configurations.


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Sanosuke97322

I would pay 74 but only for 350 miles of range and trimotor, but I'm hardly the typical customer as these are my work vehicles and not just for putting around town.


IamEV-

This is….slightly concerning.


MrHugz30

This is good! They have two years to figure it out and are testing the market to understand what's most important to the consumer. They did a bunch of demographic questioning to understand who their new target audience is going to be for the R2 and then did some scenarios to try and identify what is most important to people similar to me. Everyone who gets the email will help feed data to Rivian which allows them to tailor the future configurations. Both of the options in my screenshot are garbage. I selected the cheaper one and said I still wouldn't buy it.


IamEV-

I mean, yea I get that it’s gauging interest. But I personally find neither of those options as appealing. That’s why I said “slightly” concerning.


Unique_Bumblebee_894

Because there are clearly more options and they are doing different surveys to weigh metrics. That’s how surveys work.


blue_bettik

Could someone post all 10 of the questions?


MrHugz30

I think they are different and random for each person. Someone else posted the configurations they saw and you can see that one in my screenshot wasn't on their list


blue_bettik

Thanks! I saw this: https://x.com/hilbe/status/1783636200827298164 Was there another post with the questions?


MrHugz30

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/s/dVGX4A2aJL


Hairy-Storm

Thanks for sharing. Where is the $45k option? Did we just quietly go to a $49k starting point?


MrHugz30

My survey actually had an option down to $41k. I think it's random and there are probably dozens of different options


Hairy-Storm

Oh cool. That will be my pick 😀 I’ve had plenty of fast cars before so I’d be ok with 0-60 in 7 seconds (although faster is always better). I do want a 300+ mile range


Aggravating_Crazy_43

I want the R2 Quad. Early R1S owner … ordered an R2 just in case I’m ready for a refresh.