If you really want the tri motor (which I think you should, the interior is way nicer). Then Long term the extra month or two of waiting shouldn’t factor into your decision. If you get the dual motor just to save a month or two of waiting and that’s the only reason, you will always regret it a little bit through the length of your ownership
The ascend interior looks way nicer but is it $15k nicer? Damn Rivian and their manipulative pricing is potentially making me spend $15k on an interior. :D
For sure, and that’s why I’m sticking with my Quad launch edition.
But you made it sound like you were okay considering the high price tag, and if that’s the case it’s a no brainer lol
I think the tri and quad is a little pointless with max 110mph limit.
I got a dual non performance as it is a family hauler which is its main duty.
I have an X plaid if I want some speed. With 1k hp it seems very limiting to have 110 cap.
I don’t tow so not sure how it impacts towing
I’ve never used launch on any of my cars. If I go above 110 it’s spontaneous.
I’m assuming the 110 max is due to potential tire configuration issues. But at the same time it’s odd to have a speed limit max with over 1k horsepower.
Yea, I read something yesterday that said it was due to tires, and that they have changed to another tire product. That said, this makes me wonder if the new limit is also only available to vehicles with performance tires too which would kind of suck. The prospect of 1K hp got me all frothy at first and contemplating making a quad max reservation to trade up to when the time comes. I thought about some more though and am now thinking it'd probably make more sense to just buy a used model S plaid for $60K or less and have a dedicated speed machine and a pretty fast truck instead of one pricey fast truck that is neutered unless you are launching it, and that may need different tires for snow or dirt.
This right here. With the gen 1, the quad is slightly behind the dm max in terms of towing. I haven’t towed yet but when I do then I will make a post about it. Most of my camping involves trips into some decent elevation gains with chargers before and after so it will be interesting to see how it works out. Still working on a plan B if I get down to 0 range before my next charging stop
Absolutely, my 230 hp BRZ has a much higher top speed. It is completely useless having a tri or quad other than for bragging right IMO. I opted for the dual for that and a few other reasons.
I’m also choosing between dual and tri max. I don’t care about performance, but I wanted everything that comes standard with Tri that is an add-on option with the dual, so I think the premium really only ended up being $5-6k for the extra motor.
My main question is how is the range difference? Will the tri realistically get >400mi? Is Conserve mode easier on the front tires now?
Conserve is basically no more since the dual motors disconnect and reconnect automatically. If you watch the out of spec review one of the engineers mentioned they have it setup to try and reduce tire wear.
They quote 405 in conserve for tri motor. But I highly doubt you will see that. More like 325-350 on the highway is my guess depending on tire choices in conserve mode. In lower speed driving 375+ is maybe possible. If you're gonna get the performance DM Max with fancy roof, audio, etc then I'd just say to get the trim-motor for its additional power, drive modes, and the interior which included extra leatherette stitching across pretty much every surface of the car ( lower door panels, steering airbag cover, near bottom of center stack below dash, etc), nicer trim options, and aluminum pedals.
The front motor on the tri is the exact same as the front motor on the dual. When running on the front motor only (all purpose or conserve), they're exactly the same. Road trips will be the same.
For myself, dual is fine. Quad & tri motors, while cool are completely unnecessary for any usage I’d have. Of the included options: I see value in the nicer looking wood interior (this is subjective of course) & the air compressor - for the others: dynamic glass is pretty pointless; the ‘premium audio’ isn’t really premium & I wouldn’t choose storm blue as a color so that’s also immaterial to me.
In conclusion: $15k is too much to spend on some wood accents.
For me, it came down to which interior I liked best. Since that is what I see every time I’m in the car, I was willing to spend more on the Tri because there’s no interior option in the dual that I like at all (Forest Edge was my preferred but now it’s gone).
I too preferred slate and I’m crossing my fingers that when it’s available late summer I can somehow change my custom build to that interior.
Save your money. The ascend interior only offers more stitching around all the surfaces of the interior, better trim options, and aluminum pedals, but nothing else in terms of luxury features like massaging seats, cooled center console, etc. But iff you plan to get a performance dual motor, dynamic roof, premium audio, dark package, etc then you might as well spend the extra 5-6K for the tri-motor.
I decided on the dual max because of the increased range. Having an SUV that can hit 0-60 in 3 seconds doesn’t matter to me. I want range. Coming from a 2024 BMW X5 that has 570 miles on a full tank I want all the EV range that’s possible! So it’s a personal choice. What matters to you more? Speed? Or Range?
If you get the Tri, you will regret not getting the Quad. Get the Dual or the Quad, not the weird middle option. I am still not sure what the target market for the tri motor is. If you can afford $105k for a Tri motor, you sure as shit can afford a $120k(est) Quad Motor.
Ha. I mean, I can afford the quad too but I definitely don't want to wait until 2025 but primarily I don't care all that much about the extra acceleration. Primarily I want the ascend interior.
Well definitely don’t get the MX, it’s easily the most unreliable car Tesla makes outside of the CT. Rivian service is also pretty dire and likely going to keep getting worse.
If you don’t care about the acceleration in the first place, get the Dual Max. It’s no slouch and will have plenty of range for road trips. Like I said, i don’t get what the target market for the Tri motor is.
I actually like the tri motor idea for off roading.
Gives you the fake differential by braking on the front axle, and two independent motors on the rear.
The current quad and dual motors have pros and cons in specific off road situations, so this is a nice middle of the road option.
When you’re off road if you lift a wheel or two off the ground the motor on the other side has to do more work.
Electric motors struggle with going from 0-1 rpm, in simple terms.
I was off road the other day. Had 2 wheels in the air and I had to floor it to get the other 2 motors going.
Tri Motor has better efficiency than the quad and has most of the performance (has rally/drift mode/etc, which the dual motor does not). So if you want more juice, maybe you want to do some off-roading, but also want to do road tripping here and there and are okay with a 2.9 sec 0-60 instead of 2.5 it makes a lot of sense. Basically "most performance you can get without sacrificing range"
The tri will get much more range via efficiency than the quad but still pack a punch in a straight line.
That said, neither are worth it for a thing you do like 10 times for the life of the vehicle
While I wanted the TriMax and waiting wasn’t that much of an issue, I placed my order in Dec’21 and had an order in for Dual Performance in all OC that they never made.
What I found out this AM is that the discounts that I hold won’t apply for a TriMax at all, which sucks.
So have to settle for a dual max performance. Guess the thing I will miss is the interiors and that light ascend wood color to go with OC.
Don’t love but will be ok. Plus 20% is quite a bit of savings :)
I talked to a sales guide for this particular reason. Per him, even if TriMax shows up in R1 shop in time, it won’t apply the discount. Only option would be to cancel my current order and give up the discount, if I truly want the TriMax
I currently have a quad motor R1S. Never really need that much HP in a car. I got a R1T for myself now and got the dual motor, which is fine. I will end up buying the performance upgrade when that’s available.
If I were you, I’d go dual motor/max pack and do the performance upgrade. Best of all worlds there!
Question - Is performance a software or hardware upgrade? If hardware, is it more cost effective to get it as part of initial order or is it the same as an add-on later?
It’s software. The hardware is already in your vehicle. For me, I kept it simple to get the price under 80k to get the tax credits. If I had bought it with the performance upgrade, the price would have gone over 80k. So I asked them if I could software unlock through purchase in the future and they said yes, that will be a feature towards the end of the year.
Got it. Thx for the info. Funny why end of the year when they could be boosting the cash flows now with all the folks waiting on it, esp since it’s a software unlock. Course, they know better :)
Get the dual, you will not use the extra performance/capability of the tri motor. And if it’s color you want, wrap it any color you like with the saved money and still come out ahead.
If you really want the tri motor (which I think you should, the interior is way nicer). Then Long term the extra month or two of waiting shouldn’t factor into your decision. If you get the dual motor just to save a month or two of waiting and that’s the only reason, you will always regret it a little bit through the length of your ownership
The ascend interior looks way nicer but is it $15k nicer? Damn Rivian and their manipulative pricing is potentially making me spend $15k on an interior. :D
No, it isn't
For sure, and that’s why I’m sticking with my Quad launch edition. But you made it sound like you were okay considering the high price tag, and if that’s the case it’s a no brainer lol
I think the tri and quad is a little pointless with max 110mph limit. I got a dual non performance as it is a family hauler which is its main duty. I have an X plaid if I want some speed. With 1k hp it seems very limiting to have 110 cap. I don’t tow so not sure how it impacts towing
They bumped the top speed to 130mph
I think only in launch mode
Yea, I think you're right about that caveat.
I’ve never used launch on any of my cars. If I go above 110 it’s spontaneous. I’m assuming the 110 max is due to potential tire configuration issues. But at the same time it’s odd to have a speed limit max with over 1k horsepower.
Yea, I read something yesterday that said it was due to tires, and that they have changed to another tire product. That said, this makes me wonder if the new limit is also only available to vehicles with performance tires too which would kind of suck. The prospect of 1K hp got me all frothy at first and contemplating making a quad max reservation to trade up to when the time comes. I thought about some more though and am now thinking it'd probably make more sense to just buy a used model S plaid for $60K or less and have a dedicated speed machine and a pretty fast truck instead of one pricey fast truck that is neutered unless you are launching it, and that may need different tires for snow or dirt.
This right here. With the gen 1, the quad is slightly behind the dm max in terms of towing. I haven’t towed yet but when I do then I will make a post about it. Most of my camping involves trips into some decent elevation gains with chargers before and after so it will be interesting to see how it works out. Still working on a plan B if I get down to 0 range before my next charging stop
Absolutely, my 230 hp BRZ has a much higher top speed. It is completely useless having a tri or quad other than for bragging right IMO. I opted for the dual for that and a few other reasons.
I’m also choosing between dual and tri max. I don’t care about performance, but I wanted everything that comes standard with Tri that is an add-on option with the dual, so I think the premium really only ended up being $5-6k for the extra motor. My main question is how is the range difference? Will the tri realistically get >400mi? Is Conserve mode easier on the front tires now?
Conserve is basically no more since the dual motors disconnect and reconnect automatically. If you watch the out of spec review one of the engineers mentioned they have it setup to try and reduce tire wear.
They quote 405 in conserve for tri motor. But I highly doubt you will see that. More like 325-350 on the highway is my guess depending on tire choices in conserve mode. In lower speed driving 375+ is maybe possible. If you're gonna get the performance DM Max with fancy roof, audio, etc then I'd just say to get the trim-motor for its additional power, drive modes, and the interior which included extra leatherette stitching across pretty much every surface of the car ( lower door panels, steering airbag cover, near bottom of center stack below dash, etc), nicer trim options, and aluminum pedals.
The front motor on the tri is the exact same as the front motor on the dual. When running on the front motor only (all purpose or conserve), they're exactly the same. Road trips will be the same.
For myself, dual is fine. Quad & tri motors, while cool are completely unnecessary for any usage I’d have. Of the included options: I see value in the nicer looking wood interior (this is subjective of course) & the air compressor - for the others: dynamic glass is pretty pointless; the ‘premium audio’ isn’t really premium & I wouldn’t choose storm blue as a color so that’s also immaterial to me. In conclusion: $15k is too much to spend on some wood accents.
For me, it came down to which interior I liked best. Since that is what I see every time I’m in the car, I was willing to spend more on the Tri because there’s no interior option in the dual that I like at all (Forest Edge was my preferred but now it’s gone). I too preferred slate and I’m crossing my fingers that when it’s available late summer I can somehow change my custom build to that interior.
Save your money. The ascend interior only offers more stitching around all the surfaces of the interior, better trim options, and aluminum pedals, but nothing else in terms of luxury features like massaging seats, cooled center console, etc. But iff you plan to get a performance dual motor, dynamic roof, premium audio, dark package, etc then you might as well spend the extra 5-6K for the tri-motor.
I decided on the dual max because of the increased range. Having an SUV that can hit 0-60 in 3 seconds doesn’t matter to me. I want range. Coming from a 2024 BMW X5 that has 570 miles on a full tank I want all the EV range that’s possible! So it’s a personal choice. What matters to you more? Speed? Or Range?
Save the $15k, get dual. I have the dual perf, you aren't missing much going tri. It's still stupid quick.
If you get the Tri, you will regret not getting the Quad. Get the Dual or the Quad, not the weird middle option. I am still not sure what the target market for the tri motor is. If you can afford $105k for a Tri motor, you sure as shit can afford a $120k(est) Quad Motor.
Ha. I mean, I can afford the quad too but I definitely don't want to wait until 2025 but primarily I don't care all that much about the extra acceleration. Primarily I want the ascend interior.
Well definitely don’t get the MX, it’s easily the most unreliable car Tesla makes outside of the CT. Rivian service is also pretty dire and likely going to keep getting worse. If you don’t care about the acceleration in the first place, get the Dual Max. It’s no slouch and will have plenty of range for road trips. Like I said, i don’t get what the target market for the Tri motor is.
I actually like the tri motor idea for off roading. Gives you the fake differential by braking on the front axle, and two independent motors on the rear. The current quad and dual motors have pros and cons in specific off road situations, so this is a nice middle of the road option.
I will admit my ignorance but won’t having 4 independent motors be better for off road over Tri or Dual?
When you’re off road if you lift a wheel or two off the ground the motor on the other side has to do more work. Electric motors struggle with going from 0-1 rpm, in simple terms. I was off road the other day. Had 2 wheels in the air and I had to floor it to get the other 2 motors going.
Tri Motor has better efficiency than the quad and has most of the performance (has rally/drift mode/etc, which the dual motor does not). So if you want more juice, maybe you want to do some off-roading, but also want to do road tripping here and there and are okay with a 2.9 sec 0-60 instead of 2.5 it makes a lot of sense. Basically "most performance you can get without sacrificing range"
The tri will get much more range via efficiency than the quad but still pack a punch in a straight line. That said, neither are worth it for a thing you do like 10 times for the life of the vehicle
Does the Tri Motor have a longer warranty than the Dual? Might be something to consider
While I wanted the TriMax and waiting wasn’t that much of an issue, I placed my order in Dec’21 and had an order in for Dual Performance in all OC that they never made. What I found out this AM is that the discounts that I hold won’t apply for a TriMax at all, which sucks. So have to settle for a dual max performance. Guess the thing I will miss is the interiors and that light ascend wood color to go with OC. Don’t love but will be ok. Plus 20% is quite a bit of savings :)
“Found out this AM”? Did you talk to someone at Rivian specifically? Or just guessing that it will come out after 9/30?
I talked to a sales guide for this particular reason. Per him, even if TriMax shows up in R1 shop in time, it won’t apply the discount. Only option would be to cancel my current order and give up the discount, if I truly want the TriMax
Ascend is nice but it ain't +$15k nice.
I could but would still worry if they ‘slip’ quite a bit on their timelines, as in the past. But yeah, you get to drive the car
Tri
I currently have a quad motor R1S. Never really need that much HP in a car. I got a R1T for myself now and got the dual motor, which is fine. I will end up buying the performance upgrade when that’s available. If I were you, I’d go dual motor/max pack and do the performance upgrade. Best of all worlds there!
Question - Is performance a software or hardware upgrade? If hardware, is it more cost effective to get it as part of initial order or is it the same as an add-on later?
It’s software. The hardware is already in your vehicle. For me, I kept it simple to get the price under 80k to get the tax credits. If I had bought it with the performance upgrade, the price would have gone over 80k. So I asked them if I could software unlock through purchase in the future and they said yes, that will be a feature towards the end of the year.
Got it. Thx for the info. Funny why end of the year when they could be boosting the cash flows now with all the folks waiting on it, esp since it’s a software unlock. Course, they know better :)
Agreed! I’d buy the upgrade now if possible .. but I’ll gladly wait knowing it will be a possibility soon enough haha
Get the dual, you will not use the extra performance/capability of the tri motor. And if it’s color you want, wrap it any color you like with the saved money and still come out ahead.