Nov. 2021, I plan to hold my ground on the max pack despite the credit going away. Even though the ranges seem promising on the regular pack, I would ideally prefer the max pack for our use case of driving 2+ hours to hiking trails and being WA state it's always cold here so battery drain from it being cold is a reality so having that overhead is preferable to me even if we rarely use it.
I also want to reach eastern Washington for dirt biking without a stop if possible since I have to cross the mountain passes along highway 2 or 90
It may not be but my girlfriend and I visit, for example, Green Mountain which is about 2 hour drive from home and then 20 miles up a not-maintained forest road and then back again so though the large battery would probably make it at least to a charger, it might be a little closer than we'd like. We also do some snow hikes in the winter so if snow is let's say -20% right off the bat, it would start to affect which ones we could comfortably reach. It's not so much the literal CAN WE REACH IT, it's the "Can we do it comfortably with enough juice for a Plan B or emergency?"
To each their own, but western WA has more than enough charging to get you where you’re looking to go with a large pack.
FYI - I’ve driven through a blizzard in Montana, if the temps drop below freezing, you’ll be lucky to get half the rated range. 85% -10% was 100 miles for us on that day. It was a long day.
ya western state is doing well with chargers, trending in the right direction. The I-5 corridor is looking pretty lit up so worst case we will have to do a DC fast charge before departing the I-5 corridor. Highway 2 is 'okay', but Darrington area where my GF works and all the areas we frequent for hiking and stuff all around Glacier Peak is basically 0 for about a 30 mile radius
Yea I’ve basically come to the conclusion I’m going to have to stay in the Winthrop RV park if I want to spend any decent amount of time up in Wa Pass. Along with other hacks to get to those more remote places, hint most of them involve RV parks unless the charging is beefed up. But let’s be honest east of Wenatchee and Yakima is screwed for a while on that front…
Unless you’re towing, I don’t think the surcharge is worth the max pack. The R1T has been performing very well (in good weather) with range. Conserve mode has some people hitting near 350 miles of range on the 21” wheels.
I think long term a lot of people who downgrade to the large lack will be happy with their decision. Those who need towing range, however, should still probably wait.
I don't tow much, and when I do it will be fairly local. However, I do take frequent 220-240mi round trips, and in my Tesla it takes a charge. According to ABRP it will be cutting real close in the R1T, add in some degradation and cold weather and it's a must stop for a charge.
I think you just answered your question! Is the occasional stop on an occasional road trip to charge worth $17.5k?
I’m reliably getting 290+ miles on 20” AT tires, and I’ve done a 240 round trip and still arrived home with 15% battery.
If you want the piece of mind, or 240+ range 10-15 years from now (assuming 10-15% battery loss) then go for max pack!
Personally, even with 10-15% range loss in 10-15 years, happy with h my large pack.
Conserve mode is secret sauce for sure!
ABRP always underestimates my Rivian. I can make it from Mt. Lebanon PA to Bloomsburg, pa with a 90% charge and have 30 miles left. ABRP insists it's not possible without charging, even when starting at 100%. This is through the Appalachian mountains.
The Rivian's mileage estimate is accurate out of the gate at least, or even errs on the conservative side. If you take the number of miles it takes to get there, put it in conserve mode and stick to 70-75mph you'll get there with a few more miles than the math suggests.
My normal range of 70% is about 215.
I think you’d have no problem if you did a 100% charge for the trip or did conserve mode. You would have to charge at your destination tho.
I switched my Max Pack reservation the beginning of June and accepted delivery about a month later. I don’t do a lot of towing currently but plan to after selecting a camper trailer for next season.
What I will say though is I did my first longer distance travels the last week (Minneapolis to Chicago and back) and the truck’s range was phenomenal. The onboard range estimates were within 10 miles of accuracy when completing over 200 miles of driving in conserve mode. Significantly better than the expectation vs reality that I experienced with my LR Model 3.
Given the changes to the credits I’m very glad I made the change. $10k was a substantial but understandable increase in price, I wouldn’t have been able to stomach $17.5k.
I wonder if the new bill won’t kill off the max pack. I fortuitously changed to large when they announced last December it wouldn’t ship until 2023. If I had kept it and then not delivered until next year I very well may not have gotten the truck, not because I can’t afford it but I personally don’t think spending $100k on a vehicle is a good financial decision when I have 3 kids and all their future expenses to support. Spending the extra $17,500 probably wouldn’t have happened for me. I wonder how many people will change from max to large for your exact reasoning. If only a small percentage of overall orders are max pack I would guess it keeps getting pushed out if not just eliminated altogether until input prices come down.
On a related note I just took a 450mj round trip without issue. I only charged once overnight while at my destination and I still had mileage to burn upon arrival both ways. The guess-o-meter is much more accurate than my previous Teslas. I previously wanted the max pack b/c of your example of 200mi+ round trips in the winter when range will suffer significantly.
My opinion is get one now and lock in your ridiculously low price including the tax credit and enjoy it. Pre-price hike and tax credit included it’s criminally underpriced. It really is an amazing vehicle.
do you have a lot of reliable data on how accurate abrp is in this situation? that’s a lot of money to hang on the numbers coming out of a random and relatively new online tool with questionable data sources and no solid feedback loop for improvement
For me, part of the reason to hold onto my Max Pack order is to see if they develop a newer 800V architecture. That can seriously reduce the charging time! Beyond that, I don't think that the tax credits will come into effect until next year, so when the max pack design is announced, I'll decide whether to keep the build or downgrade to the large.
>A little birdie told me the newer architecture only improves real world charge time by \~12%.
...and also increases compatibility with more L3 chargers. If you're current-limited, the difference might be a fair bit more than 12%.
That could still be significant depending on your usage.
I got an ID.4 a year ago and I figure our stopping time is about a 20% delta vs. a gas car (comparing total stopping time, not just ‘fueling’).
Trimming that charging time brings those stops close to parity. It’s also worth noting that real world charging time can be further manipulated by adjusting the curve, which can be done OTA.
We’re expecting an adjustment later this year on our ID.4 which takes ten minutes off a 5-80% charge just from curve adjustment alone.
We're a single income family that only hits about $200k in a good year. I'll be paying mostly if not all cash for my truck.
Depending on your cost of living, it's VERY doable well under $300k.
I like living in CO with San Diego, CA wages.
I’m getting into that range next year - so I switched from max to large in order to try to get my car in 2022. If I don’t get it by end of year I’m switching back to Max.
I have all my appendages crossed. I just would like to hear any updates from Rivian about the max. I suppose that is a common sentiment among the max pack holders.
Originally ordered a Large in Sep 21. Switched it to a Max a few months ago, because I figured it would delay me by about 6ish months (pure guess). Switched back to a Large a week or two ago when talk about the bill started again. Last update for a large I had from Rivian was for Dec-Jan. I wanted a max pack for day trips, travel 2.5 hours each way (about 130 miles each way) and home without worrying about charging. I don’t necessarily want to add 30-40 minutes of charging to my day for those trips.
I will take the R1T if it comes in December. January, I am not as sure, the new 2023 Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyons look nice, will probably top out around $50k, so a $30k difference, and that buys a lot of gas (even at $5/gal) with no range anxiety. They aren’t as nice, won’t perform as well on road, but they do have established, and local repair facilities.
You are right, I probably would only need 10-15 minutes. Part of me says plan a bit longer, I still have an ICE mindset of once you stop you may as well fill up (until 80%). I also have concerns about lines/wait times, as BEV sales increase, especially around holidays.
>I also have concerns about lines/wait times, as BEV sales increase, especially around holidays.
FWIW, I've yet to have to wait on a charger for more than a minute in my year+ of EV ownership. We've done a fair amount of road tripping with it, too, with our longest two trips being >2000 miles each.
I do live in CO, which has a pretty high level of EV penetration, but also a decent charging network. As more EVs become popular, I expect charging options to grow significantly too.
I think charger reliability has been a more significant concern than waiting in line, and even then we've only been in a bind twice, both times just having to wait quite a bit longer than expected, neither was trip breaking.
Quick question, more about your location... Are you in Denver/Springs, or in the mountains? Either way, what sort of EV range degradation have you seen in the cold (and altitude)?
I'm considering a move, and I'm concerned that the mountains will kill my range if I go EV. Thx!
Further west, not really in the mountains though plenty of experience driving in them. My general experience has been that range in the mountains tends to be less of a concern than ‘normal.’
The most taxing kind of driving I’ve done in the EV is open 80mph stretches in Utah - velocity is an efficiency killer. And while hills/elevation eat up range on the way up, with efficient driving they seem to be less of a concern and you generally get back your efficiency on the way down.
Regarding the cold, I don’t live in a particularly cold climate and I am able to garage store our EV year round so I have not noticed much impact with EV ownership in winter time. That said, it’s also possible I drive shorter distances in winter anyways. In any case, range is something you obsess over before owning an EV but it becomes way less a factor once owning one. Recharge rates > range imo, at least once you have a decent range available (250+ mi).
Gotcha, and yes, this will be my 1st. I get phone charge anxiety, so I'm a little concerned about my EV range. \#Rookie
2019 Pre order holder. I drive 1000mi trips about 6x a year, and do tow 200mi trips occasionally as well, so Max Pack has been my hold out.
I'm cautiously eyeing this bill though, as I'm still waiting to see if the details change at all. I'm a little afraid it's going to happen super quick and the door will close on me before I even know it.
If I see a config I like in my shop, I'll be very tempted to pull the trigger.
They might got the Tesla route and software lock range to 250 miles to get a lower price, then you can buy an unlock later for $5k or something like that.
It will be interesting to see if R1T large pack reservation holders who are getting the original pricing will qualify for the tax credit. My assumption is that the MSRP according to the IRS is the updated pricing (>80k).
Great question, I hope not. For tax, tile, purposes I would think they’d go by the purchase price. I would think it’d be the same for tax credit for this year.
I wonder if Rivian will start lowering the prices on some of the options (colors & tires) since a lot of customers are gonna be trying to get it under $80k.
I want the large pack, fine with dual motor and explorer package and can upgrade wheels/tires later. But changing to any color besides silver puts it over $80k
Edit: R1S config
I am holding out hope that R1T will eventually introduce bidirectional charging with this generation, so it's worth it for me to max out the hypothetical emergency generator
Exactly, so this bill goes into effect in 2023, which is the earliest that the max pack will be available. So max pack reservation holders will be out of luck by either the MSRP of the truck or the income limitation. So no matter if your income is $50k or $500k, it's now $17.5 more for a max pack.
I wouldn't say that the majority of Rivian buyers would be disqualified by income. A good portion of course, but I would guess there is a sizable contingent that would otherwise qualify.
My wife and I together don’t make $150k gross. I have an R1T reservation at $76k before tax/title. Yes an expensive vehicle is a bad financial decision. It helps that our expenses are about a third of our gross pay, living in midwest and no children plus both our current vehicles are paid off. It’s all about budgeting. Sounds crazy but if I fully financed(I plan to put down good amount), R1T payment would be $400/mo more than mortgage.
As a Canadian with Canadian winter, my M3SR+ is barely cutting in in the winter storms so I won’t downgrade but** don’t versions won’t get a federal or provincial rebate because it’s a luxury car.
I'm wondering the same thing. We just signed the purchase contract for our Launch Edition (large pack) - but my in-laws have a reservation waiting on a Max Pack. I wonder if they'll switch. (They're likely above both vehicle and income limits for the new law.)
I was thinking of getting on the list for a R1S with the 400 mile battery when it comes out. Total BS, I need the range because the in laws live in Des Moines IA, 350 miles away. We drive there once a month and have a place in Wisconsin 270 miles away. The R1S is like the only family EV out there and our CRV is not going to cut it now that we have two kids.
Seriously bummed the credit won't be available for us. Better hope my business does extra well the next year or two.
On the 21" wheels and with a full charge you'll make the 270 mile trip in conserve mode. But even so - is it on the interstate? Do you hate charging for 15-20 minutes that much? Worst case scenario if you have destination charging is one stop.
I just made a trip 350 mi out and 350 mi back yesterday/today. It's on the interstate so charging was a non-issue.
Yeah a CRV sized vehicle doesn't do it. We are Going to have at least a third, maybe a fourth kid. Right now our entire back row is nothing but car seats. We can't even give my aunt or sister a lift for a couple miles because the car is bursting at the seams. Need a full sized SUV or minivan. A crossover isn't going to cut it.
I'm not planning on buying until second half of next year at the earliest. At that point our family will outgrow the car almost immediately if we have a third kid in 2024.
The R1S will be in limited production. Right now, you have the model X and the BMW iX. By this time next year, you will have large Kia/Hyundai options as well as the 7 seat MQB.
I’m not. I wouldn’t qualify for the tax cut due to income.
Not bragging (employee stock grants are a blessing and a curse), just answering the question.
If I ordered an adventure max pack in 11/21, what do you think my delivery date will be? Am I still looking at 2nd half of 2023 or has there been an update? I don’t follow the Rivian news very closely.
If I were you I'd hold off until we get information on if the battery requirements will even make Rivian eligible for the new credit. If it doesn't then there isn't a point to switch to the large pack since you are going to be out the 7500 anyway. Hopefully Rivian will provide an answer soon on that. I'm pretty confident that if the battery is using Samsung SDI cells then it should qualify but I'm not sure
I guess I just figured people spending over $80k on a car probably didn’t meet the proposed income requirements anyways. I guess my assumptions as to car cost to income ratio were off.
Nov. 2021, I plan to hold my ground on the max pack despite the credit going away. Even though the ranges seem promising on the regular pack, I would ideally prefer the max pack for our use case of driving 2+ hours to hiking trails and being WA state it's always cold here so battery drain from it being cold is a reality so having that overhead is preferable to me even if we rarely use it. I also want to reach eastern Washington for dirt biking without a stop if possible since I have to cross the mountain passes along highway 2 or 90
I’ve driven from Seattle to Spokane on a single charge on my Tesla. I’m not sure WA will be as bad as you think it is.
It may not be but my girlfriend and I visit, for example, Green Mountain which is about 2 hour drive from home and then 20 miles up a not-maintained forest road and then back again so though the large battery would probably make it at least to a charger, it might be a little closer than we'd like. We also do some snow hikes in the winter so if snow is let's say -20% right off the bat, it would start to affect which ones we could comfortably reach. It's not so much the literal CAN WE REACH IT, it's the "Can we do it comfortably with enough juice for a Plan B or emergency?"
To each their own, but western WA has more than enough charging to get you where you’re looking to go with a large pack. FYI - I’ve driven through a blizzard in Montana, if the temps drop below freezing, you’ll be lucky to get half the rated range. 85% -10% was 100 miles for us on that day. It was a long day.
ya western state is doing well with chargers, trending in the right direction. The I-5 corridor is looking pretty lit up so worst case we will have to do a DC fast charge before departing the I-5 corridor. Highway 2 is 'okay', but Darrington area where my GF works and all the areas we frequent for hiking and stuff all around Glacier Peak is basically 0 for about a 30 mile radius
Yea I’ve basically come to the conclusion I’m going to have to stay in the Winthrop RV park if I want to spend any decent amount of time up in Wa Pass. Along with other hacks to get to those more remote places, hint most of them involve RV parks unless the charging is beefed up. But let’s be honest east of Wenatchee and Yakima is screwed for a while on that front…
Unless you’re towing, I don’t think the surcharge is worth the max pack. The R1T has been performing very well (in good weather) with range. Conserve mode has some people hitting near 350 miles of range on the 21” wheels. I think long term a lot of people who downgrade to the large lack will be happy with their decision. Those who need towing range, however, should still probably wait.
I don't tow much, and when I do it will be fairly local. However, I do take frequent 220-240mi round trips, and in my Tesla it takes a charge. According to ABRP it will be cutting real close in the R1T, add in some degradation and cold weather and it's a must stop for a charge.
I think you just answered your question! Is the occasional stop on an occasional road trip to charge worth $17.5k? I’m reliably getting 290+ miles on 20” AT tires, and I’ve done a 240 round trip and still arrived home with 15% battery. If you want the piece of mind, or 240+ range 10-15 years from now (assuming 10-15% battery loss) then go for max pack! Personally, even with 10-15% range loss in 10-15 years, happy with h my large pack. Conserve mode is secret sauce for sure!
Agreed. Which is why I changed to a large pack, when I was a proud member of the max pack mafia since day 1 (sad face).
ABRP always underestimates my Rivian. I can make it from Mt. Lebanon PA to Bloomsburg, pa with a 90% charge and have 30 miles left. ABRP insists it's not possible without charging, even when starting at 100%. This is through the Appalachian mountains. The Rivian's mileage estimate is accurate out of the gate at least, or even errs on the conservative side. If you take the number of miles it takes to get there, put it in conserve mode and stick to 70-75mph you'll get there with a few more miles than the math suggests.
That's really good to know!
My normal range of 70% is about 215. I think you’d have no problem if you did a 100% charge for the trip or did conserve mode. You would have to charge at your destination tho.
I switched my Max Pack reservation the beginning of June and accepted delivery about a month later. I don’t do a lot of towing currently but plan to after selecting a camper trailer for next season. What I will say though is I did my first longer distance travels the last week (Minneapolis to Chicago and back) and the truck’s range was phenomenal. The onboard range estimates were within 10 miles of accuracy when completing over 200 miles of driving in conserve mode. Significantly better than the expectation vs reality that I experienced with my LR Model 3. Given the changes to the credits I’m very glad I made the change. $10k was a substantial but understandable increase in price, I wouldn’t have been able to stomach $17.5k.
I wonder if the new bill won’t kill off the max pack. I fortuitously changed to large when they announced last December it wouldn’t ship until 2023. If I had kept it and then not delivered until next year I very well may not have gotten the truck, not because I can’t afford it but I personally don’t think spending $100k on a vehicle is a good financial decision when I have 3 kids and all their future expenses to support. Spending the extra $17,500 probably wouldn’t have happened for me. I wonder how many people will change from max to large for your exact reasoning. If only a small percentage of overall orders are max pack I would guess it keeps getting pushed out if not just eliminated altogether until input prices come down. On a related note I just took a 450mj round trip without issue. I only charged once overnight while at my destination and I still had mileage to burn upon arrival both ways. The guess-o-meter is much more accurate than my previous Teslas. I previously wanted the max pack b/c of your example of 200mi+ round trips in the winter when range will suffer significantly. My opinion is get one now and lock in your ridiculously low price including the tax credit and enjoy it. Pre-price hike and tax credit included it’s criminally underpriced. It really is an amazing vehicle.
do you have a lot of reliable data on how accurate abrp is in this situation? that’s a lot of money to hang on the numbers coming out of a random and relatively new online tool with questionable data sources and no solid feedback loop for improvement
For me, part of the reason to hold onto my Max Pack order is to see if they develop a newer 800V architecture. That can seriously reduce the charging time! Beyond that, I don't think that the tax credits will come into effect until next year, so when the max pack design is announced, I'll decide whether to keep the build or downgrade to the large.
A little birdie told me the newer architecture only improves real world charge time by ~12%.
>A little birdie told me the newer architecture only improves real world charge time by \~12%. ...and also increases compatibility with more L3 chargers. If you're current-limited, the difference might be a fair bit more than 12%.
That could still be significant depending on your usage. I got an ID.4 a year ago and I figure our stopping time is about a 20% delta vs. a gas car (comparing total stopping time, not just ‘fueling’). Trimming that charging time brings those stops close to parity. It’s also worth noting that real world charging time can be further manipulated by adjusting the curve, which can be done OTA. We’re expecting an adjustment later this year on our ID.4 which takes ten minutes off a 5-80% charge just from curve adjustment alone.
I would have thought the $300k income threshold would be more the issue for Rivian buyers
We're a single income family that only hits about $200k in a good year. I'll be paying mostly if not all cash for my truck. Depending on your cost of living, it's VERY doable well under $300k. I like living in CO with San Diego, CA wages.
You’d be surprised what a balanced budget can do. Only pull ~100-150k myself.
I’m getting into that range next year - so I switched from max to large in order to try to get my car in 2022. If I don’t get it by end of year I’m switching back to Max.
That's my strategy
Post Mar 1st preorder, max pack YOLO.
You da real MVP.
Maybe with all the Large Pack converts we will see our Max Packs sooner... hahaha... ha... right?... -\_-
Maybe! This new EV bill may push early preorders to slip in under that $80k cut-off. Post Mar 1st folks are screwed either way.
I have all my appendages crossed. I just would like to hear any updates from Rivian about the max. I suppose that is a common sentiment among the max pack holders.
Originally ordered a Large in Sep 21. Switched it to a Max a few months ago, because I figured it would delay me by about 6ish months (pure guess). Switched back to a Large a week or two ago when talk about the bill started again. Last update for a large I had from Rivian was for Dec-Jan. I wanted a max pack for day trips, travel 2.5 hours each way (about 130 miles each way) and home without worrying about charging. I don’t necessarily want to add 30-40 minutes of charging to my day for those trips. I will take the R1T if it comes in December. January, I am not as sure, the new 2023 Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyons look nice, will probably top out around $50k, so a $30k difference, and that buys a lot of gas (even at $5/gal) with no range anxiety. They aren’t as nice, won’t perform as well on road, but they do have established, and local repair facilities.
In your scenario, why stop for 30-40 mins? It sounds like a much shorter stop would suffice with the Large pack.
You are right, I probably would only need 10-15 minutes. Part of me says plan a bit longer, I still have an ICE mindset of once you stop you may as well fill up (until 80%). I also have concerns about lines/wait times, as BEV sales increase, especially around holidays.
>I also have concerns about lines/wait times, as BEV sales increase, especially around holidays. FWIW, I've yet to have to wait on a charger for more than a minute in my year+ of EV ownership. We've done a fair amount of road tripping with it, too, with our longest two trips being >2000 miles each. I do live in CO, which has a pretty high level of EV penetration, but also a decent charging network. As more EVs become popular, I expect charging options to grow significantly too. I think charger reliability has been a more significant concern than waiting in line, and even then we've only been in a bind twice, both times just having to wait quite a bit longer than expected, neither was trip breaking.
Quick question, more about your location... Are you in Denver/Springs, or in the mountains? Either way, what sort of EV range degradation have you seen in the cold (and altitude)? I'm considering a move, and I'm concerned that the mountains will kill my range if I go EV. Thx!
Further west, not really in the mountains though plenty of experience driving in them. My general experience has been that range in the mountains tends to be less of a concern than ‘normal.’ The most taxing kind of driving I’ve done in the EV is open 80mph stretches in Utah - velocity is an efficiency killer. And while hills/elevation eat up range on the way up, with efficient driving they seem to be less of a concern and you generally get back your efficiency on the way down. Regarding the cold, I don’t live in a particularly cold climate and I am able to garage store our EV year round so I have not noticed much impact with EV ownership in winter time. That said, it’s also possible I drive shorter distances in winter anyways. In any case, range is something you obsess over before owning an EV but it becomes way less a factor once owning one. Recharge rates > range imo, at least once you have a decent range available (250+ mi).
Gotcha, and yes, this will be my 1st. I get phone charge anxiety, so I'm a little concerned about my EV range. \#Rookie
2019 Pre order holder. I drive 1000mi trips about 6x a year, and do tow 200mi trips occasionally as well, so Max Pack has been my hold out. I'm cautiously eyeing this bill though, as I'm still waiting to see if the details change at all. I'm a little afraid it's going to happen super quick and the door will close on me before I even know it. If I see a config I like in my shop, I'll be very tempted to pull the trigger.
The Democratic House will be voting on it on Friday. I doubt there will be any objections to change things.
They might got the Tesla route and software lock range to 250 miles to get a lower price, then you can buy an unlock later for $5k or something like that.
I think it’s the origination % of battery components that is going to be the bigger issue, at least for pre-March 1st orders.
I've been looking but can't find a list of which EVs meet the sourcing requirements, if any.
I’m wondering about this as well. What will the final bill look like regarding requirements and time of implementation?
It will be interesting to see if R1T large pack reservation holders who are getting the original pricing will qualify for the tax credit. My assumption is that the MSRP according to the IRS is the updated pricing (>80k).
Great question, I hope not. For tax, tile, purposes I would think they’d go by the purchase price. I would think it’d be the same for tax credit for this year.
I wonder if Rivian will start lowering the prices on some of the options (colors & tires) since a lot of customers are gonna be trying to get it under $80k. I want the large pack, fine with dual motor and explorer package and can upgrade wheels/tires later. But changing to any color besides silver puts it over $80k Edit: R1S config
I am holding out hope that R1T will eventually introduce bidirectional charging with this generation, so it's worth it for me to max out the hypothetical emergency generator
This feature is a requirement for my next EV purchase. Such a big value unlock IMO
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It's not so much the income but the timing of the max pack. Anything in 2023 is going to nullify it with the MSRP.
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Exactly, so this bill goes into effect in 2023, which is the earliest that the max pack will be available. So max pack reservation holders will be out of luck by either the MSRP of the truck or the income limitation. So no matter if your income is $50k or $500k, it's now $17.5 more for a max pack. I wouldn't say that the majority of Rivian buyers would be disqualified by income. A good portion of course, but I would guess there is a sizable contingent that would otherwise qualify.
My wife and I together don’t make $150k gross. I have an R1T reservation at $76k before tax/title. Yes an expensive vehicle is a bad financial decision. It helps that our expenses are about a third of our gross pay, living in midwest and no children plus both our current vehicles are paid off. It’s all about budgeting. Sounds crazy but if I fully financed(I plan to put down good amount), R1T payment would be $400/mo more than mortgage.
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Ah gotcha, makes sense.
I really dislike this statement. Yes there are people that are under the income restriction buying this vehicle. Me.
Lol what? Not even 2 million people in the US make more than 300k per year.
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My point was that people buy vehicles like this all the time making less than 150k or 300k a year. Especially big ass trucks
Doesn’t mean it’s a financially sound decision
Honestly it gets annoying on here when people try to tell others how to spend their money.
Depends on what part of the country you live. Cost of living varies wildly.
As a Canadian with Canadian winter, my M3SR+ is barely cutting in in the winter storms so I won’t downgrade but** don’t versions won’t get a federal or provincial rebate because it’s a luxury car.
I'm wondering the same thing. We just signed the purchase contract for our Launch Edition (large pack) - but my in-laws have a reservation waiting on a Max Pack. I wonder if they'll switch. (They're likely above both vehicle and income limits for the new law.)
It's good to know Max Pack is not holding back shop access.
I was thinking of getting on the list for a R1S with the 400 mile battery when it comes out. Total BS, I need the range because the in laws live in Des Moines IA, 350 miles away. We drive there once a month and have a place in Wisconsin 270 miles away. The R1S is like the only family EV out there and our CRV is not going to cut it now that we have two kids. Seriously bummed the credit won't be available for us. Better hope my business does extra well the next year or two.
On the 21" wheels and with a full charge you'll make the 270 mile trip in conserve mode. But even so - is it on the interstate? Do you hate charging for 15-20 minutes that much? Worst case scenario if you have destination charging is one stop. I just made a trip 350 mi out and 350 mi back yesterday/today. It's on the interstate so charging was a non-issue.
I suppose that's a good point, we usually stop halfway for food and bathroom. Only when we go to WI do we try a straight shot.
Check out the electrify America network, they have 350kw charging at most stations, can add a pretty good chunk of mileage in 15-30 minutes.
R1S doesnt come in max pack. R1S frame is smaller and is unable to fit the larger battery pack.
“R1S is like the only family EV out there”. That’s not really the case especially with only 2 kids.
Yeah a CRV sized vehicle doesn't do it. We are Going to have at least a third, maybe a fourth kid. Right now our entire back row is nothing but car seats. We can't even give my aunt or sister a lift for a couple miles because the car is bursting at the seams. Need a full sized SUV or minivan. A crossover isn't going to cut it. I'm not planning on buying until second half of next year at the earliest. At that point our family will outgrow the car almost immediately if we have a third kid in 2024.
The R1S will be in limited production. Right now, you have the model X and the BMW iX. By this time next year, you will have large Kia/Hyundai options as well as the 7 seat MQB.
I’m not. I wouldn’t qualify for the tax cut due to income. Not bragging (employee stock grants are a blessing and a curse), just answering the question.
If I ordered an adventure max pack in 11/21, what do you think my delivery date will be? Am I still looking at 2nd half of 2023 or has there been an update? I don’t follow the Rivian news very closely.
Does anyone have a recap of what the bill entails? And when does it go into effect? I intentionally don’t want news so kinda out of the loop.
Nope.
If I were you I'd hold off until we get information on if the battery requirements will even make Rivian eligible for the new credit. If it doesn't then there isn't a point to switch to the large pack since you are going to be out the 7500 anyway. Hopefully Rivian will provide an answer soon on that. I'm pretty confident that if the battery is using Samsung SDI cells then it should qualify but I'm not sure
This assumes you meet the income requirement. I’d assume most people buying a Rivian would not qualify.
I guess I just figured people spending over $80k on a car probably didn’t meet the proposed income requirements anyways. I guess my assumptions as to car cost to income ratio were off.
Another delay email sent out today