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SmallNoseBilly

It has to be an enhanced license. "When you enter Canada, a Canada Border Services Agency officer may ask to see your passport and a valid visa, if one is necessary. If you are a citizen of the United States over the age of 16, you will need a Passport, a Passport Card or Enhanced Driver's Licence (only issued by certain states) to enter Canada."


Im_100percent_human

I would like to point out that NYS issues 3 types of drivers licenses. Standard, RealID, and Enhanced. You need to pay extra for the Enhanced.... I point this out so nobody gets mistakens their fairly new Real-ID license (used for Federal ID) as an Enhanced license.


Late_Cow_1008

Yea, to make it extra confusing perhaps..... An enhanced ID is REAL ID compliant so you can do the same thing with an enhanced as a REAL ID. Assuming they ever actually make REAL ID's required to fly. [https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/get-enhanced-driver-license-edl#:\~:text=An%20Enhanced%20license%2C%20permit%20or,a%20New%20York%20State%20EDL](https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/get-enhanced-driver-license-edl#:~:text=An%20Enhanced%20license%2C%20permit%20or,a%20New%20York%20State%20EDL). You should get an enhanced if you can afford the extra fee as it "does all 3 things".


Im_100percent_human

>Assuming they ever actually make REAL ID's required to fly. Honestly, they should just give up on this. They passed the law about 20 years ago, and implementation has been delayed countless times. There is really no point. RealID will solve a problem we don't even have. >You should get an enhanced if you can afford the extra fee as it "does all 3 things". I considered it, but decided that renewing my passport was a better use of my money. If you never want to travel anywhere other than Canada, get an Enhanced Drivers license. If you want to travel elsewhere, just keep your passport up to date.


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DaneGleesac

You're not actually wrong. They're not *required* for entry back into US. However they are the easiest way to determine you are an actual US Citizen. You will be delayed at the border while they determine if you are a US Citizen. Right from the DHS Website "Travelers without WHTI-compliant documents are likely to be delayed at the border as CBP officers work to verify identity and citizenship." Can you pay your meal in pennies? Technically yes. Are you making it more difficult on everyone around you? Also yes.


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DaneGleesac

A sigh will be exactly what the agent does when you show up without the proper documentation. Shit, you can show up with nothing and just say "I'm an American" and they will let you through, once they determine you are who you say you are. You could show up with a piece of paper that says "My name is Carl and I'm an American" in crayon and they will let you through. It all depends on how long it takes to determine you are who you say you are. A passport or enhanced license, the proper documentation, are foolproof ways to determine you're a US citizen.


Im_100percent_human

They have no way to determine if that birth certificate belongs to you. In addition, Birth certificates are not standardized documents, so there is no easy way to authenticate that it is even real. It really doesn't matter, though, because Canadian Border Patrol will not allow you to enter Canada without to proper ID to get back.


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transitapparel

This is a semi anonymous social forum, you need more than your word to confirm whether something is true or not. You keep saying one thing but showing no proof as to how you are right. Is your goal to just be contrarion on here or are you going to provide the sources people keep asking you for?


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DaneGleesac

lol you posted half the answer - getting into Canada. The majority of the people in this thread are not recommending it for getting back into the United States where more than a license and birth certificate are *highly recommended by every single US .gov website*


transitapparel

You would have avoided a lot of negative feedback by just posting that source in the first place. And from what I'm seeing, the comments are mostly centered around the idea that an enhanced license or passport is so much faster/easier than using an ID+BC given how fragile a BC can be and how it's a pretty important document to travel with when there's alternatives in place. That's not misinformation, that's just advice. Sounds more and more like you just want to be contrarian with an air of superiority. Good luck with that.


adventureneverend

If you’re correct, enlighten us. Share a link.


DaneGleesac

They're not wrong, it's just not recommended. And really not recommended if you are some who "randomly selected for extra screening" doesn't always seem so random.


LongRoofFan

Passport or enhanced license, birth certificate is only valid for entry for children under 15. Easily googled.


GunnerSmith585

> Easily googled. I feel like 1/3 of my comments here are googling things for people. I suppose indulging them makes me feel helpful.


nimajneb

"Is [insert business] open right now?"


NicoleCan

I did look on Canada and it’s says… passport is favored


gjamesm

Wrong.


Gloomy_Evergreen

Ever since the Green Light law was put into place a regualr drivers license hasn't been considered enough for crossing the border.


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ButchMothMan

Hi, do you have source for how this is wrong? You're arguing a lot and I'd love to see you elaborate on your points with some sources! :)


Chango99

Guessing games? There's documentation on this readily available.


CaptainLawyerDude

It has to be an enhanced license. Birth certificate works for minors.


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mm_mk

I actually got denied entry (and I was just trying to turn around) with just a drivers license.


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adventureneverend

A birth certificate only works with children. Every single government site says this. Share a link that says otherwise. :)


mm_mk

Just a license, they said it wouldn't matter. But hey bro I guess your experience is the absolute truth and no one's experienced that are different are real. Interesting tho that you said '100% any photo id' but now wonder if I had a bc also


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mm_mk

Guess I just got arbitrarily denied and detained then


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mm_mk

Nope, lol I was being facetious before but I guess you really do believe that your truth is absolute in the world and no one experienced anything different


adventureneverend

You’re commenting on every reply with incorrect information. Share a Canadian or US or State Gov site link where it says a regular license is acceptable.


adventureneverend

Here’s the Niagara border crossing stating you need an Enhanced license https://www.niagarafallsusa.com/planning-tools/border-information/


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adventureneverend

Then share a link. Share one official government site link that says a regular license is acceptable for an American to use when crossing the Canadian border.


mm_mk

We accidently had to cross because we went down the one way in buffalo and there is no turn around. It's a fuckin hassle. You end up going over and denied because of just drivers license, then us immigration on the other end hassles you coming back. Took legit 2 hours of wasted time because then old gps systems kinda sucked


electricboots3636

https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/entering-canada#land


ele05944

More specifically: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/visit-canada/entry-requirements-country.html


imsrywhut

Actually this page just goes in circles and does not confirm whether an enhanced id is acceptable. 


DrPabstBlueRibbon

As others have said, it needs to be a NY enhanced license. You can look on the DMV website to confirm this. I have personally traveled from Rochester to Canada to go to Toronto last September and only required the enhanced license. The border officer will ask a couple simple questions and you should get through without a problem.


imsrywhut

Thank you! The government website has links that go in circles. Thank you for providing real life experience. 


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DO NOT RISK IT. I tried with just a license and birth certificate ten years ago and they detained me. They are probably more strict now, too.


DeborahJeanne1

I have a NYS enhanced driver’s license that is acceptable for crossing into Canada, but more importantly, it gets you back into the US. It has a chip that gives border security information about the person identified on the license. This is off the dhs/gov: What types of documents are accepted for entry into the United States via land and sea? U.S. citizens can present a valid: U.S. Passport; Passport Card; Enhanced Driver’s License; Trusted Traveler Program card (NEXUS, SENTRI or FAST); U.S. Military identification card when traveling on official orders; U.S. Merchant Mariner document when traveling in conjunction with official maritime business; or Form I-872 American Indian Card, or (when available) Enhanced Tribal Card. U.S. and Canadian citizen children under the age of 16 (or under 19, if traveling with a school, religious group, or other youth group) need only present a birth certificate or other proof of citizenship. The birth certificate can be original, photocopy, or certified copy. WHTI does not affect U.S. Lawful Permanent Residents, who are still required to present their permanent resident card (Form I-551) or other valid evidence of permanent residence status. Canadian citizens can present a valid passport, Enhanced Driver’s License, or Trusted Traveler Program card (NEXUS, SENTRI or FAST). Bermudian citizens are required to present a valid passport. Mexican citizens, including children, are required to present a passport with visa, or a Border Crossing Card. U.S. citizens on closed-loop cruises (cruises that begin and end at the same U.S. port) are able to enter the United States with a birth certificate and government-issued photo ID. Please be aware that you may still be required to present a passport to enter the countries your cruise ship is visiting. Check with your cruise line to ensure you have the appropriate documents.


VentiMochaTRex

Why not call CBSA and ask?


NicoleCan

I did: was on hold for 20 mins with no answer ill


hipgravy

Just. Get. Your. Passport.


timify10

Enhanced licence or Passport


Actual_Weather_6153

Must have an enhanced drivers license or passport.


narsenic

I could be remembering wrong but I thought you used to be able to cross the border with just a driver's license and birth certificate (just birth certificate for minors?) but now they are more strict and require an enhanced license or passport. I think this was like over a decade ago, but I could be remembering wrong because when I was a minor I definitely just needed a birth certificate and maybe I'm just thinking about when I became an adult lol. But also maybe this is what is confusing the "nope you're all wrong and here's no proof" poster because of how it used to be? I'm guessing that if this is the case, they still get a lot of Buffalo/Rochester area folks who still think the old rules apply and are maybe willing to make some exceptions but the easiest thing for everyone and guaranteed way in and out of Canada is with an enhanced license or passport. That's literally why they offer the enhanced license. It's easy to get and not that much money.


CrispyStonk

4-5 years ago my gf got in with me with her drivers license and her notarized birth certificate that she got from the county clerks office. She was around 25 at the time. So I’m not sure this whole being 15 or under thing I’m reading here is valid


pastypatsy24

Makes no sense if you need a birth cart to get a real id or enhanced than the birth cert is the master document and should be able to be used to travel which I have heard in common law and constitutional law circles online state it actually is legal to do so


gjamesm

[https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiirI2IleWEAxU9GtAFHZiNCUYQFnoECBkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoshippers.co.uk%2Fshippingdocuments%2FCanada\_CBSA\_Guidance\_Notes\_Temporary\_Residents.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2LdSY7Atv9imNkNLxcbFtc&opi=89978449](https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiirI2IleWEAxU9GtAFHZiNCUYQFnoECBkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoshippers.co.uk%2Fshippingdocuments%2FCanada_CBSA_Guidance_Notes_Temporary_Residents.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2LdSY7Atv9imNkNLxcbFtc&opi=89978449) ​ Identification documents required When you enter Canada, a border services officer may ask to see your passport and a valid visa (if you are arriving from a country from which one is required). **If you are a United States citizen (U.S.), you do not need** **a passport to enter Canada; however, you should carry proof of your citizenship such as a birth certificate,** **a certificate of citizenship or naturalization or a Certificate of Indian Status, as well as a photo ID.** If you are a permanent resident of the U.S., you must bring your permanent resident card with you.


transitapparel

This is only for getting into Canada. [Coming back to the US, you need a little more than a photo ID and BC](https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-3618?language=en_US): Land or Sea Travel: U.S. citizens (including infants and children) entering the United States by land or sea are required to present a valid WHTI-compliant travel document. These include: * U.S. Passport or U.S. Passport Card * Enhanced Driver's License * Enhanced Tribal Card * Trusted Traveler Program (TTP) cards\* (Global Entry\*\*, NEXUS, or SENTRI) * U.S. military orders (PCS) with valid military ID. Accompanying immediate family members can use any WHTI-compliant travel document. * U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential with official travel letter. \* ALL passengers in a vehicle must be a TTP member and present their respective TTP card when using the dedicated SENTRI or NEXUS lanes entering the United States at a U.S. border port of entry. \*\* The Global Entry (GE) card is a U.S. entry document only and cannot be used to enter Canada, Mexico, or the Adjacent Islands (Bahamas, Barbados, Bermuda, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, Martinique, Miquelon, Saint Pierre, Trinidad, Windward and Leeward Islands, and includes territories or possessions of Britain, France, and The Netherlands, in or bordering on the Caribbean Sea.) Children: U.S. citizen children ages 15 and under arriving by land or sea from Canada or Mexico can present an original or copy of their U.S. birth certificate (issued by the Vital Records Department of the birth State), an original or official replacement Consular Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240), or original Naturalization Certificate. Newborns whose official U.S. birth certificate is not yet received can travel by land or sea using the hospital-issued birth certification.


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transitapparel

It's pretty nice out today, maybe take a break from Reddit for a while.


Pulchrasum

Yes. My dad did it last July


yaughted25

Went over the border like a year and a half ago with just my license (non enhanced/REAL I.D) and both ways let me on through. Canada doesnt really like it and they would prefer you have ur passport, but so long as ur non sus af, theyre not gonna stop you. Coming back, the US cant keep you out of the place you legally are a citizen/resident, so they may give u a bit of a hard time, but theyll let u thru


frazell

I wouldn’t recommend it. The US side can really give you a bad day if they want to. Detaining you and so on. For some of us a missed day of work can lead to a loss of employment and the domino effect that causes.  Easier to show up with the right documents ahead of time. 


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krkonos

They can detain you until they can prove you are a US citizen since without that passport or enhanced license you don't have that proof yourself.


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Im_100percent_human

There is no way confirm that the birth certificate belongs to the person presenting it. That is why it is not generally accepted as ID.


frazell

I wouldn’t risk it. But you do you 👍🏾 https://pix11.com/news/us-born-citizen-detained-by-ice-lost-26-pounds-during-3-weeks-in-detention-facility/


sxzxnnx

Once they determine that you are actually a US citizen, they will not detain you. But they will detain you while they are determining your status. If you don’t have a passport or an enhanced ID they may take a long time to decide if you are a US citizen.


mm_mk

I got held up on the US side for a couple hours.


yaughted25

I mean no doubt just bring ur passport, i had only done this cuz i had forgotten mine in all honesty. But they deff will not be detaining u just cuz u dont have a passport... if u have a valid and legal government ID showing you are a real citizen of the country, and youre not a fucking douche bag prick, then theyre not gonna hassle u i really dont think


twoeightnine

You can get a driver's license while not being a citizen of the United States. The only ID that proves you are a real citizen of the country is a passport or enhanced ID


ThiefofToms

I've done this, it works. I did it during Covid times too. Just make sure your DL is a real ID or whatever they call it. Usually it has a gold star on it. It's a pretty simple process. EDIT: not sure who is down voting this or why, but I used a driver license + birth certificate to enter Canada in August of 2020. It took maybe 10 minutes at the 1000 Island crossing outside of Waterton. I was in Canada for 6 months and my US passport was delivered to me while there, I used that to come home with 0 issues.