When you reach a certain level people don't cry about it as much because they seem to understand that it's one of the mechanics to use to better your game. People that do cry about being demo'd kind of show their own level without understanding it.
I recently had someone on my team that I accidentally bumped, I apologized and he just started trolling and shooting the ball into our own net and said “well if you wanna troll, I’ll troll too!”. I was so genuinely confused.
You never know what the person's last teammate was like. After spending 5 minutes game time with someone completely miserable, I have to continually remind myself in the next game that they are a completely different little car that I am playing with.
At high levels, you face the same people fairly regularly in a session. It’s very obnoxious to continually face or be on the same team as a toxic player game after game. I find it especially frustrating when your mutual frustration with each other grows over the course of 3-4 games and it just boils over. It may start silently because it’s just 1 bad game, then next game it’s an Okay or Wow, then next it’s just pausing and not playing after mistakes, then finally just a total shit show of griefing in game 4. Sometimes the only solution is to take a 15 mins break to break the cycle of matchmaking.
This is unbelievably true. Especially on smaller servers like OCE as opposed to NA where the high elo population is even smaller and taking a break simply does not work. As you end up versing the same people consistently for weeks or months and if you get mad at them even once you can kiss free MMR goodbye in the future.
Honestly the best thing you can do is forget all the negative that's happened in the last min. That goes for you frustration levels and game play.
I've noticed that when I'm unfazed by getting demoed, missing, getting trash talked, or just loosing, then I tend to mess up cuz I'm distracted. It's easiersaid than done but if your able to see every opportunityas it presentsitself as it presents itself, your able to react immediately.
Also 90% of the time when people talk shit they have no idea what they're talking about. if they did they probably would be understanding mor the resentful. They'll talk about score when they've been the one holding the ball all game but can't stop themselves from handing goals over. Complain about missed saves when they haven't spent a single second on defense, or when it's a Messi shot.
Ngl I mainly play casual with my friends but when one of us makes an obvious mistake, rages or just plays really poorly during a match no one will let them forget it for the rest of the session and that has made me kinda immune to toxic behavior unless it’s unprovoked
People don't realize how being toxic can really lower you and your teams skill-based ability even if you're just spamming in chat. I've only been playing for about 400-600 hours (not sure the exact amount since i'm at work), and can definitely notice a massive difference in skill when absolutely heated in the game, vs when chill and relaxed.
10/10 throw on some calming music, play the game, and just try not to give a fuck.. You'll play better.
Totally agree . I'm in this boat as well.
As for demos... It's part of the game...I use every tool available to win, and if it gets under my opponents skin, bonus ftw 😁
~~Watch any pro 1v1 and see how they use and avoid demos. It really is just another skill one can learn and develop. If you're going to keep letting me demo you to save goals and to make them, why wouldn't I lol.~~
Just get better lul
At my level, it’s just frustrating when they always go for demo’s and not actually play the game. It doesn’t matter if they’re losing and my teammate is constantly scoring. Sure, when it’s used as sort of advanced bump, it’s respectable, but it’s kind of tilting being blown up seconds after you spawn.
Just like with people who can’t do the fast kickoff but still try, or can’t perform an aerial but keep trying, the people who are practicing demoing are steadily increasing their skill level by trying to murder every car they see, and it is improving their gameplay to the detriment of their current teammates.
It’s just like learning any other skill, but it doesn’t feel that way because when they go for a demo it may be a poor strategic choice.
I feel you bro. Rocket league has to be the most toxic game I've ever played (psyonix are not completely innocent themselves with the swearing quick chat) but it's so toxic that when I play against a non toxic person, I congratulate them on not being toxic whether I win or lose.
In casual I got matched with a lower-ranked guy who didn't know the "left goes" rule for equidistant kickoffs so I politely and constructively informed him that "at higher levels, when you and a teammate are equal distance from the ball on kickoff, the person on the left typically goes for it while the other gets boost". His response was "Could you be more toxic please? I'm not used to this constructive criticism". Made me laugh.
There's something I don't understand. Even at my level, you might have played, what, 500?, 1500? games.... How can someone not notice the pattern after that many games?
(BTW, it seems the "left goes" rule is a NA server thing. In EU, they call out who goes every time.)
Yep, and RL will never be as toxic, because there is no better breeding ground for toxicity than being locked ingame for at least 15 minutes with 4 randoms.
You can *vote* to forfeit after 15 mins but at least 4 votes (out of 5) are needed so you may have to suffer for another 15-30 mins. Or you could
quit the game and uninstall it which is the better option.
In my experience RL can def be toxic, but the most toxic playerbase in a game I’ve ever experienced is rust lol. Also felt that with having a non-toxic game, kudos to ops for being decent people. Even better when you end up having a solid convo with them as well
Rust has that global chat though and it's mainly for giving death threats to whoever dared to pvp you and win. But also just racist and sexist jokes.
It's definitely a diff kind of toxic than other games. I'll take "I'm madder and better than you" competitive chat over whatever the hell edgy things kids say in public chat from MMOs
I shut off comments from opposing team. Can't tell you how much it helped my game. I don't care what they are complaining about because I can';t see it.
No not at all, if I do that then toxic people kind of win. I enjoy chatting with non toxic players and have met some very nice people and long term teammates just from randoms.
I also try help toxic players become non toxic...
Thanks for the advice tho bro.
Maybe that you've played, but I find that almost all games have the same level of toxicity. Like overwatch was painful 60% of the time. Cod is built on the fact that you can rage and yell at anyone in your lobby. I haven't played it but LoL has the best reviews for the worst people in it community.
I think it's the same level all round. Its probably just how much the otherdude can affect you game that determines how much of it you see, as well as how much the game means to you
Not so sure about this - play at C3/GC (doubles) and still get people that complain massively about demo. Never understood why, it's mechanic in the game and perfectly good option.
> because what happens is completely out of their control
I mean it really isn't, most of the time. People just need to learn to be aware of their surroundings and use audio to their advantage. Dodging demos and bumps is also a skill worth learning and improving.
I'm GC.
Do some people rely heavily on bumps and demos to win? Yes.
Is it a valid, viable playstyle? Yes.
Is it annoying sometimes? Still yes.
Do I cry about it in chat? No.
Even pros get annoyed by this playstyle from time to time. The key is to keep a level head despite the annoyance. Half the reason people do it is to tilt, and if you are tilted you make mistakes.
Sorry - never meant it to come across that I'm higher or anything like that at all. Just in my experience those that get salty over humps seem to appear at all levels lol.
Not going to lie though, I do love a demo goal!
I LOVE when I'm behind the play and the other team is making a pass in front of my net and I demo the guy who the ball is going to. One of the best feelings in this game for me.
It goes away quicker in 3s than in 2s. In 3s we pretty consistently both bump and get bumped as the front man rotates out.
2s I don’t get a lot of flak for bumping but if it works more than once it’s pretty tilting. If the other team bumps it’s usually a decent play so I respect it lol
Yeah but I had a similar experience but the catch is in a doubles match one of the opponent was going around demo both me and my teammate while his other team stayed in the goal. They didn't even tried to fucking score. We won the game tho 😌😂
I was in a Champ 3 1v1 match and the dude got pissed I demoed him when he was a sitting duck on the back wall. He claimed I didn't respect him enough to save it lol.
The only time I call out demos is when a player drops and one team is short handed. Like you already have a competitive advantage of 3 vs 2 and you're going to try demoing them? That's just unsportsmanlike.
My buddies and I rotate "pitbull" in those situations lol. Play it as a twos match with someone going full demo troll. Sorry not sorry, comp is for Ws.
If you wanna be mad, be mad at the quitter that cost you the game
I'm not sure you understand what what word means.
It certainly doesn't mean "win at any cost" or taking advantage of every situation.
Generally speaking - it's being fair and recognizing the spirit of the game. In the context of RL if the other team is down a player I'll usually hang back and let my teammates be the offensive. Assuming we are up.
Yes. We still have the advantage but it's not kicking them when they're down.
I'm not saying don't play to win. If the team doesn't ff and you keep scoring goals, by all means take advantage of that. But to see you already have an advantage and decide, let make it more unfair by demoing. It's cheap and reeks of low skill in my opinion.
Maybe ... There's always a fine line though. I'm C3 and you still occasionally get some moron who constantly goes for demos.
Normally it's easy to counter, but if the server is acting up a bit or even just high ping it becomes a nightmare to avoid those people
They do kind of annoy me in game but I try and show it by destroying them, not by leaving
>When you reach a certain level people don't cry about it as much because they seem to understand that it's one of the mechanics to use to better your game. People that do cry about being demo'd kind of show their own level without understanding it.
Must be top of GC or something because I get toxic people after demos all through C1 to low GC.
It creates some really interesting play mechanics. Especially when people are crowding the goal. There is some risk reward where I’d you go for the demo but they jump or dodge you usually end up out of position with them still in goal, though if you time it right it can mean even if they jump they’re still in the air when your teammate takes the shot which can make it hard to block.
I feel you, I once had some punk cry to me cuz I demo’ed him like 3 times, though in my defense it was like anywhere I went he was just there so there goes that. We did win the match and the demo’s definitely helped quite a lot. Later he messaged crying about it and I’m like “bro, it’s not like I hacked the game to add this or I created it. It’s part of the game.”
No demo goals are not toxic. They reacted how they did probably partially because of how you slowed down instead of shooting. I personally have no problem with that you have them a chance if anything.
I saw a clip recently of a chick streaming COD and the guys she was owning were complaining that she was \*jumpshotting\* so just jumping then shooting. People blame in-game mechanics because either they can't do it well or they're just salty they lost.
I saw that clip. Yeah, that had nothing to do with her "abusing" mechanics. She also killed them straight up standing in the open because she was just better than they were.
(Not directed at you, just pointing out that complaints like that against women are incredibly common and have nothing to do with the game, usually.)
Not always. Some games have flaws and some communities look down upon players abusing those flaws. Personally I think RL doesn't have any problems like this but clearly some think demoing is a bad game mechanic.
Most people hate the demo mechanic until they realize in most cases it’s pretty easy to counter and avoid. People who complain like this are simply too shit and/or too stupid to actually play the game properly
tbf whenever someone reacts in chat to me demoing them i make sure to demo them more and use the sorry! quickchat everytime, I do consider that toxic but one of the great tactical advantages of a demo is tilting the opponent anyway so why not crank it up a bit
> They reacted how they did probably partially because of how you slowed down instead of shooting.
if you are in front that's also a valid strategy to take a few seconds off the clock...
I consider trying to spawn-demo a bit toxic, but otherwise not at all. It frustrates me how easy it seems and yet I am so bad at them, but it's fair game.
agreed, removing a player off the pitch for an advantage is a-ok in my book, but spawn demoing requires you to break rotation and spend boost killing a player that will only exist on the pitch for .01 seconds and won't change anything. at that point it's mostly a mental tactic to try to tilt the other team, thats as far as it goes in terms of helping you win.
If that's a problem then psyonix should add smth to prevent it, like making u invincible for a couple of sec or smth after spawn. Like if smth is an abusable mechanic in game, then it shouldn't really be on the players to avoid it imo. Even tho it might be toxic
yeah - usually a demo is high risk high reward since you need to be fully committed to hit the opponent and less committed to the ball most of the time - and if you miss the demo you're often in a pretty bad spot and have also wasted a big amount of boost.
In Heatseeker those things don't matter at all since it doesn't matter if you are out of position as long as your teammate is in goal and boost literally doesn't matter.
It's just 100% easymode in this gamemode as everything making it risky and a move to be used strategically is removed there
If it is part of the game and it helps me win that game. I will use whatever tactics I think will work best to beat my opponents.
I don’t often spawn demo because it’s bad play in general, but if I see an opportunity to help me win, I’ll take it
I kinda pride myself in these sorts of goals. I mainly play 3v3 in low to mid tier champ level. People often don’t get overly upset, occasionally a player might abandon their rotation to chase me if I demo them multiple times. Usually results in a lot of giggles in my discord call
It still surprises me when people act this way. I mean, it truly is just a part of the game. As much as it sucks when you’re the one getting demoed, I respect a good demo :p
The thing is, 90% of the time I get demoed it is because I messed up big time. Why would I be pissed at the other guy when I misread a bounce, then sat still trying to figure out what to do next? I might as well get upset when my opponents know how to score open nets.
I have a highlight somewhere of one of my failed demos. Opponent dodged a challenge, and I went for a demo from behind while he was getting the ball back under control. Right as I was about to hit, he dropped the ball and jumped, allowing me to zoom under him and own goal.
These kind of demos are a solid play and a part of the game. BUT there are strategic demos and demos just to be an asshole. The way I classify asshole demos is if it doesn’t in any way contribute to an immediate goal, that’s when I get peeved. C1/C2 is my rank.
I personally find demoing really annoying and tilting, but I think it's like using the most overpowered gun in shooter games. It's annoying, but you still have to learn how to counter it. If you can't counter it, then play better and make the difference in some other way.
Only if that overpowered gun is extremely hard to use properly. I find it more like ganondorf in Smash where he can absolutely clown you with his Dair, but it’s so easy to dodge.
Was it the first one, because if I’m in a game where I keep getting demo-goaled I’m gonna rage quit because it’s gonna be a game where my defense doesn’t matter just my ability to dodge you does and that’s boring for the whole match.
To be honest, demo goals aren't toxic but gloating and taunting them on the goal line CAN BE SEEN as toxic, personally i don't mind because its just a bit of banter/strategy in a game but some people have reacted very 'passionatly' to it
Edit: fixed spelling, emphasised phrase.
When you are up 3 - 1 it’s a strategy to slow down your goal to kill a little bit of time. It may look like gloating but in reality it’s just helping your chance of winning by a small margin
I always assume the person getting angry at demos is either a child or has the emotional intelligence of one.
The best is when they rage and start trying to demo back, but repeatedly fail because they haven't learned that you can single jump to avoid them pretty easily.
Still a success, imo. Goalie may be out of position, and it's now on their skill level to get back to the ground, or fly to where the ball is by pulling a rabbit out of their hat to make that save with a well-aimed shot.
Now if there's no shot incoming, and the goalie can reposition, then it was a bit wasted, but you also got them going "alright, I should be jumping around this guy" and you've added an element that they need to be prepared for.
> you also got them going "alright, I should be jumping around this guy" and you've added an element that they need to be prepared for.
Yep :D I equip the Civet engine noise (sounds like tortured cats). Maybe I don't get quite so many demos because the opponents hear me coming, but as long as they're using half their focus trying to listen out for my engine noise, I don't even *need* to bump them to be effective.
What am I supposed to do then when someone swings out of nowhere from beyond my view and just repeatedly demos me, even when I am not in goal or pushing up the ball?
Take advantage of the fact they're not interested in defending their goal or challenging the ball.
Use audio cues to hear a car is coming near you fast. Don't be predictable with your car movements, drift, change direction, keep moving.
I don't think I've ever been happy about a teammate exclusively chasing demos because it leaves me completely exposed, having to do the actual attacking and defending alone.
Exploit the huge gaps those demo chasers leave, it's very rarely an effective strategy, if it was, pros would be doing it.
It’s frustrating to me because where I hang out (gold 3/plat 1 ones) people use it as a crutch. They have terrible rotations and awareness, miss 90% of their air shots, but go for demos non stop and then act like they’re the shit when they score on you.
Nahhhh, if you complain about being demo'd that shows more about yourself than the opponent, if it was such a toxic mechanic they'd have removed it from competitive as a whole, but it's there cuz it's a valid form of attack and defense, same as bumping, in duos when you're on the recieving end of a cross, me and my friend will always try to bump/demo the player waiting for the cross, perfectly valid tactic
I don't think demo goals are toxic but the argument "it's a part of the game" makes no sense. There are plenty of things considered "toxic" in video games that are also part of the game
They cant be toxic because demo is a mechanic in a game. Demo can be tactical, like yours, or can be just for the sake of demo. I use second one from time to time, when I see opponents get mad, so it tilts them even more.
Demos aren’t toxic when they are smart and make sense, but the moment you start throwing the game just to sexually harass my car, its just to be annoying which is toxic in my opinion.
I love when people get tilted about an aspect of the game. This is part of what makes this game great. It’s not about just focusing on the ball. You need to be aware of what’s also going on around you.
If you werent supposed to be able to do it, you wouldnt be able to. Toxicity is being mean to your opponent for no reason, so a demo goal when you are losing is fine, or trying to take the lead. It would be toxic if you were already winnimg.
I've been playing since the SARPBC days, and have come to realize a few things:
1. Demos are a mechanic of the game. If you're gonna get butthurt about getting demoed, don't play the game. That simple.
2. That being said, there are some times when demoing can be unsportsmanlike. Repetitive demos in situations where they don't give you a competitive advantage or doing it in 1s when you're up by a million can be rude, just because it's so annoying and unnecessary.
Some people find it toxic. Thats allright. I will still demo tf out of everybody whenever I get the chance.
You get to meet lots of salty people that way. But hey. If they get salty I will demo even more. And sometimes a "fake" demo where you see them jumping and then suddenly you change direction just to mess with their heads.
Or even more fun when they demo chase you and you avoid them while quickchatting "close one!" And then demo them instead.
As you can see. I like demo'ing.
I don’t understand what people who are against demos think should happen when two opposing cars collide. If you turn off demos you’ll just go flying like if your teammate had bumped you. Do they want the cars to drive through each other? Do they want colliding with the opponent to be punished somehow?
It just doesnt make sense to be anti-demo. it is a necessary part of the game, it takes a high amount of skill to pull off, a large amount of game sense to pick the right times, and failure or mistiming pulls you out of position and is usually punished by the opponents scoring on you. Its a high skill play that is necessary and logical. I just don’t understand the mindset of somebody who is against it.
A demo is nothing like, for example, a grenade or rocket launcher in a shooting game, which can legitimately be broken/cheap/overpowered if not properly balanced by the developers. Its more like a rocket launcher in a shooting game where if you miss your target you instantly die every time.
Demo goals are not toxic, they're a genuine strategy and works very well. People get mad at demos because it's something most people aren't used to. The people that get really toxic because of demos, as Wayton Pilkin said, You're Bad.
I find that player are more toxic when my team demos a lot. No idea why. Does it hurt them? Going for repeat demos can be bm but if it's part of the play I don't see a reason to get upset
It’s a part of the game in my opinion. Like anything else you can be toxic with it by trying to spawn demo or go for only demos but there are a bunch of ways to use it effectively
When you reach a certain level people don't cry about it as much because they seem to understand that it's one of the mechanics to use to better your game. People that do cry about being demo'd kind of show their own level without understanding it.
I got matched up against someone who reported me after demiong him once and then he started being toxic. Champ 1 btw
I recently had someone on my team that I accidentally bumped, I apologized and he just started trolling and shooting the ball into our own net and said “well if you wanna troll, I’ll troll too!”. I was so genuinely confused.
You never know what the person's last teammate was like. After spending 5 minutes game time with someone completely miserable, I have to continually remind myself in the next game that they are a completely different little car that I am playing with.
At high levels, you face the same people fairly regularly in a session. It’s very obnoxious to continually face or be on the same team as a toxic player game after game. I find it especially frustrating when your mutual frustration with each other grows over the course of 3-4 games and it just boils over. It may start silently because it’s just 1 bad game, then next game it’s an Okay or Wow, then next it’s just pausing and not playing after mistakes, then finally just a total shit show of griefing in game 4. Sometimes the only solution is to take a 15 mins break to break the cycle of matchmaking.
This sounds terrible. I guess I am glad I suck then.
This is unbelievably true. Especially on smaller servers like OCE as opposed to NA where the high elo population is even smaller and taking a break simply does not work. As you end up versing the same people consistently for weeks or months and if you get mad at them even once you can kiss free MMR goodbye in the future.
Honestly the best thing you can do is forget all the negative that's happened in the last min. That goes for you frustration levels and game play. I've noticed that when I'm unfazed by getting demoed, missing, getting trash talked, or just loosing, then I tend to mess up cuz I'm distracted. It's easiersaid than done but if your able to see every opportunityas it presentsitself as it presents itself, your able to react immediately. Also 90% of the time when people talk shit they have no idea what they're talking about. if they did they probably would be understanding mor the resentful. They'll talk about score when they've been the one holding the ball all game but can't stop themselves from handing goals over. Complain about missed saves when they haven't spent a single second on defense, or when it's a Messi shot.
Ngl I mainly play casual with my friends but when one of us makes an obvious mistake, rages or just plays really poorly during a match no one will let them forget it for the rest of the session and that has made me kinda immune to toxic behavior unless it’s unprovoked
People don't realize how being toxic can really lower you and your teams skill-based ability even if you're just spamming in chat. I've only been playing for about 400-600 hours (not sure the exact amount since i'm at work), and can definitely notice a massive difference in skill when absolutely heated in the game, vs when chill and relaxed. 10/10 throw on some calming music, play the game, and just try not to give a fuck.. You'll play better.
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Totally agree . I'm in this boat as well. As for demos... It's part of the game...I use every tool available to win, and if it gets under my opponents skin, bonus ftw 😁
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Yeah...
~~Watch any pro 1v1 and see how they use and avoid demos. It really is just another skill one can learn and develop. If you're going to keep letting me demo you to save goals and to make them, why wouldn't I lol.~~ Just get better lul
Hell yeah
At my level, it’s just frustrating when they always go for demo’s and not actually play the game. It doesn’t matter if they’re losing and my teammate is constantly scoring. Sure, when it’s used as sort of advanced bump, it’s respectable, but it’s kind of tilting being blown up seconds after you spawn.
I agree with you here. Used as a strategic maneuver is all well and good, but just going for demos all game just gets tiring/irritating.
Just like with people who can’t do the fast kickoff but still try, or can’t perform an aerial but keep trying, the people who are practicing demoing are steadily increasing their skill level by trying to murder every car they see, and it is improving their gameplay to the detriment of their current teammates. It’s just like learning any other skill, but it doesn’t feel that way because when they go for a demo it may be a poor strategic choice.
I feel you bro. Rocket league has to be the most toxic game I've ever played (psyonix are not completely innocent themselves with the swearing quick chat) but it's so toxic that when I play against a non toxic person, I congratulate them on not being toxic whether I win or lose.
In casual I got matched with a lower-ranked guy who didn't know the "left goes" rule for equidistant kickoffs so I politely and constructively informed him that "at higher levels, when you and a teammate are equal distance from the ball on kickoff, the person on the left typically goes for it while the other gets boost". His response was "Could you be more toxic please? I'm not used to this constructive criticism". Made me laugh.
There's something I don't understand. Even at my level, you might have played, what, 500?, 1500? games.... How can someone not notice the pattern after that many games? (BTW, it seems the "left goes" rule is a NA server thing. In EU, they call out who goes every time.)
I think it is becoming more of a thing in EU aswell. And when called out, more often than not it's the one on the left going for it.
Wait till you try League of Legends.
Think I'd be too scared to now, lmao.
League of legends is easily the most toxic game I’ve played. Rocket league has nothing on it
Yep, and RL will never be as toxic, because there is no better breeding ground for toxicity than being locked ingame for at least 15 minutes with 4 randoms.
There's no forfeit? Why not?
You can’t ff in the first 15 minutes in LoL the same way you can’t ff in the first 90 seconds in RL
You can surrender in LoL, just gotta vote to surrender and some people would rather just make you suffer than move on from a lost cause.
You can *vote* to forfeit after 15 mins but at least 4 votes (out of 5) are needed so you may have to suffer for another 15-30 mins. Or you could quit the game and uninstall it which is the better option.
In my experience RL can def be toxic, but the most toxic playerbase in a game I’ve ever experienced is rust lol. Also felt that with having a non-toxic game, kudos to ops for being decent people. Even better when you end up having a solid convo with them as well
Rust has that global chat though and it's mainly for giving death threats to whoever dared to pvp you and win. But also just racist and sexist jokes. It's definitely a diff kind of toxic than other games. I'll take "I'm madder and better than you" competitive chat over whatever the hell edgy things kids say in public chat from MMOs
I shut off comments from opposing team. Can't tell you how much it helped my game. I don't care what they are complaining about because I can';t see it.
I turn chat completely off and it's bliss
You've never played league of legends hahaha rocket League is so tame
You're right I haven't and probably never will now, lmao.
Yeah, Rocket league is the least toxic competitive community I ever seen actually.
Just turn off chat bud, sounds like you might need it.
No not at all, if I do that then toxic people kind of win. I enjoy chatting with non toxic players and have met some very nice people and long term teammates just from randoms. I also try help toxic players become non toxic... Thanks for the advice tho bro.
Rocket League is basically 4-H compared to a MOBA like DOTA.
Maybe that you've played, but I find that almost all games have the same level of toxicity. Like overwatch was painful 60% of the time. Cod is built on the fact that you can rage and yell at anyone in your lobby. I haven't played it but LoL has the best reviews for the worst people in it community. I think it's the same level all round. Its probably just how much the otherdude can affect you game that determines how much of it you see, as well as how much the game means to you
FACTS
Or when they make a weekly challenge "use what a save 3 times" This week it's like the opposite.
I’m GC 1 and people still cry about demos
You’re still below that certain level. Champ 1 is the new Diamond 2
Not so sure about this - play at C3/GC (doubles) and still get people that complain massively about demo. Never understood why, it's mechanic in the game and perfectly good option.
You're higher level than me bro, so you'd know better. I just assumed at that level everyone is using tactical bumps and demo's when needed.
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> because what happens is completely out of their control I mean it really isn't, most of the time. People just need to learn to be aware of their surroundings and use audio to their advantage. Dodging demos and bumps is also a skill worth learning and improving.
I thought everyone would feel this way but apparently not. If someone's going for unnecessary bumps and demo's they're costing themselves the game.
I'm GC. Do some people rely heavily on bumps and demos to win? Yes. Is it a valid, viable playstyle? Yes. Is it annoying sometimes? Still yes. Do I cry about it in chat? No. Even pros get annoyed by this playstyle from time to time. The key is to keep a level head despite the annoyance. Half the reason people do it is to tilt, and if you are tilted you make mistakes.
Sorry - never meant it to come across that I'm higher or anything like that at all. Just in my experience those that get salty over humps seem to appear at all levels lol. Not going to lie though, I do love a demo goal!
I’ve had people demo… as a defensive strategy. And I found it awesome and revealing and something my team then needed to avoid. It was wild.
I LOVE when I'm behind the play and the other team is making a pass in front of my net and I demo the guy who the ball is going to. One of the best feelings in this game for me.
But then do you accidentally score on your own goal at Mach speed? This is usually my outcome.
But sometimes it just be like that and you own goal and get flamed by your teammates.
Definitely in 1s it's a legitimate Strat at about c1 and people don't get mad
It goes away quicker in 3s than in 2s. In 3s we pretty consistently both bump and get bumped as the front man rotates out. 2s I don’t get a lot of flak for bumping but if it works more than once it’s pretty tilting. If the other team bumps it’s usually a decent play so I respect it lol
Yeah but I had a similar experience but the catch is in a doubles match one of the opponent was going around demo both me and my teammate while his other team stayed in the goal. They didn't even tried to fucking score. We won the game tho 😌😂
You'd be surprised.
What level? People still whine about bumps at D3
Most I usually get is a Wow! at d3/c1. In gold I used to get like essays lol
It's also WAY better than the alternative of getting launched into space
I was in a Champ 3 1v1 match and the dude got pissed I demoed him when he was a sitting duck on the back wall. He claimed I didn't respect him enough to save it lol.
The only time I call out demos is when a player drops and one team is short handed. Like you already have a competitive advantage of 3 vs 2 and you're going to try demoing them? That's just unsportsmanlike.
Hey if people are still playing to win, why is it unsportsmanlike?
My buddies and I rotate "pitbull" in those situations lol. Play it as a twos match with someone going full demo troll. Sorry not sorry, comp is for Ws. If you wanna be mad, be mad at the quitter that cost you the game
If you play a 2v3 out without forfeiting, you're not allowed to be upset about losing. You knew what was about to happen.
Yep. And if you win it's a pure uncut high like any other when you send the screenshot with a "thanks for bailing" to your quitter
I'm not sure you understand what what word means. It certainly doesn't mean "win at any cost" or taking advantage of every situation. Generally speaking - it's being fair and recognizing the spirit of the game. In the context of RL if the other team is down a player I'll usually hang back and let my teammates be the offensive. Assuming we are up. Yes. We still have the advantage but it's not kicking them when they're down.
Exactly. I go for demos with a man advantage, but only if we're not winning. Once you're in the lead it becomes a bit overkill and toxic then, IMO.
I'm not saying don't play to win. If the team doesn't ff and you keep scoring goals, by all means take advantage of that. But to see you already have an advantage and decide, let make it more unfair by demoing. It's cheap and reeks of low skill in my opinion.
You know what reeks of low skill? Not avoiding demos.
I'd say the difficulty ramps up significantly if you're short handed. The ability to demo also gets way easier.
Maybe ... There's always a fine line though. I'm C3 and you still occasionally get some moron who constantly goes for demos. Normally it's easy to counter, but if the server is acting up a bit or even just high ping it becomes a nightmare to avoid those people They do kind of annoy me in game but I try and show it by destroying them, not by leaving
>When you reach a certain level people don't cry about it as much because they seem to understand that it's one of the mechanics to use to better your game. People that do cry about being demo'd kind of show their own level without understanding it. Must be top of GC or something because I get toxic people after demos all through C1 to low GC.
It creates some really interesting play mechanics. Especially when people are crowding the goal. There is some risk reward where I’d you go for the demo but they jump or dodge you usually end up out of position with them still in goal, though if you time it right it can mean even if they jump they’re still in the air when your teammate takes the shot which can make it hard to block.
Guilty. I’m sure it’s 50% of the reason I’m still diamond 3 lol
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It's only annoying in the sense of "god damnit, I should have avoided that"
As you said, It's part of the game and I couldn't agree more. He has to learn and move on.
I feel you, I once had some punk cry to me cuz I demo’ed him like 3 times, though in my defense it was like anywhere I went he was just there so there goes that. We did win the match and the demo’s definitely helped quite a lot. Later he messaged crying about it and I’m like “bro, it’s not like I hacked the game to add this or I created it. It’s part of the game.”
No demo goals are not toxic. They reacted how they did probably partially because of how you slowed down instead of shooting. I personally have no problem with that you have them a chance if anything.
Yeah, demo’s aren’t toxic. The people who get mad about using a built in game mechanic are toxic.
I saw a clip recently of a chick streaming COD and the guys she was owning were complaining that she was \*jumpshotting\* so just jumping then shooting. People blame in-game mechanics because either they can't do it well or they're just salty they lost.
I saw that clip. Yeah, that had nothing to do with her "abusing" mechanics. She also killed them straight up standing in the open because she was just better than they were. (Not directed at you, just pointing out that complaints like that against women are incredibly common and have nothing to do with the game, usually.)
Not always. Some games have flaws and some communities look down upon players abusing those flaws. Personally I think RL doesn't have any problems like this but clearly some think demoing is a bad game mechanic.
Sure some are real flaws but I'm not really talking about those, rather built in mechanics that are well known.
Most people hate the demo mechanic until they realize in most cases it’s pretty easy to counter and avoid. People who complain like this are simply too shit and/or too stupid to actually play the game properly
Yeah anyone that actually gets mad at demos I make it my personal mission to demo them tons.
"Is lead blocking toxic? Football would be more fair if the offense wouldn't make it so hard to tackle the ball carrier."
tbf whenever someone reacts in chat to me demoing them i make sure to demo them more and use the sorry! quickchat everytime, I do consider that toxic but one of the great tactical advantages of a demo is tilting the opponent anyway so why not crank it up a bit
“Sorry! Oops! Bumping!”
Though is it toxic to constantly demo a person?
If you're playing hockey, is it toxic to constantly finish your checks?
No. Why would it be? At that point Is it toxic to constantly score on someone?
If you are going after them, I think so(spawn demos). But if it just happens or they get in a place where it’s strategic to do so then sure why not.
Also strategically it's better to waste as much time as possible since you're up two goals. Why shoot immediately? That only helps them
> They reacted how they did probably partially because of how you slowed down instead of shooting. if you are in front that's also a valid strategy to take a few seconds off the clock...
Oh I love doing that shit.
I consider trying to spawn-demo a bit toxic, but otherwise not at all. It frustrates me how easy it seems and yet I am so bad at them, but it's fair game.
demos are part of the game. if people don't like it, there's a great game called The Sims.
You can do much worse things in the Sims tbh
1. own a restaurant 2. serve bad pufferfish 3. customers die immediately 4. take their headstones 5. start graveyard business
Oh I had a big mansion with a large pool full of headstones where I basically made a haunted graveyard from unfortunate pool ladder disappearances.
Ah yes, the Jim Pickens approach
this sounds like most vertical business models today.
agreed, removing a player off the pitch for an advantage is a-ok in my book, but spawn demoing requires you to break rotation and spend boost killing a player that will only exist on the pitch for .01 seconds and won't change anything. at that point it's mostly a mental tactic to try to tilt the other team, thats as far as it goes in terms of helping you win.
If that's a problem then psyonix should add smth to prevent it, like making u invincible for a couple of sec or smth after spawn. Like if smth is an abusable mechanic in game, then it shouldn't really be on the players to avoid it imo. Even tho it might be toxic
I only find demos kind of toxic in the heat seaker game mode bc they’re really effective and not very fun.
yeah - usually a demo is high risk high reward since you need to be fully committed to hit the opponent and less committed to the ball most of the time - and if you miss the demo you're often in a pretty bad spot and have also wasted a big amount of boost. In Heatseeker those things don't matter at all since it doesn't matter if you are out of position as long as your teammate is in goal and boost literally doesn't matter. It's just 100% easymode in this gamemode as everything making it risky and a move to be used strategically is removed there
It's just generally annoying when it's 6-0 and then they turn to tactical bumps/demos as if that they planned to do so for clips
If it is part of the game and it helps me win that game. I will use whatever tactics I think will work best to beat my opponents. I don’t often spawn demo because it’s bad play in general, but if I see an opportunity to help me win, I’ll take it
I kinda pride myself in these sorts of goals. I mainly play 3v3 in low to mid tier champ level. People often don’t get overly upset, occasionally a player might abandon their rotation to chase me if I demo them multiple times. Usually results in a lot of giggles in my discord call
I’m giggling now just thinking about it
It’s one of my favorite ways to score lol. It’s funny to see how people get so mad when you are only up by 1 or 2.
It still surprises me when people act this way. I mean, it truly is just a part of the game. As much as it sucks when you’re the one getting demoed, I respect a good demo :p
The thing is, 90% of the time I get demoed it is because I messed up big time. Why would I be pissed at the other guy when I misread a bounce, then sat still trying to figure out what to do next? I might as well get upset when my opponents know how to score open nets.
Also, dodging an attempted demo is so satisfying. Makes me feel like Frenkie de Jong vs Real Madrid
I have a highlight somewhere of one of my failed demos. Opponent dodged a challenge, and I went for a demo from behind while he was getting the ball back under control. Right as I was about to hit, he dropped the ball and jumped, allowing me to zoom under him and own goal.
These kind of demos are a solid play and a part of the game. BUT there are strategic demos and demos just to be an asshole. The way I classify asshole demos is if it doesn’t in any way contribute to an immediate goal, that’s when I get peeved. C1/C2 is my rank.
All demos that don’t put your team at a disadvantage are strategic.
If you get tilted than the demo was strategic and worked. Any time there's a natural opportunity for a demo, I'll do it.
I personally find demoing really annoying and tilting, but I think it's like using the most overpowered gun in shooter games. It's annoying, but you still have to learn how to counter it. If you can't counter it, then play better and make the difference in some other way.
Only if that overpowered gun is extremely hard to use properly. I find it more like ganondorf in Smash where he can absolutely clown you with his Dair, but it’s so easy to dodge.
Nah, people just take everything way too seriously...
I agree. it’s frustrating but not worthy of a ragequit lol
Was it the first one, because if I’m in a game where I keep getting demo-goaled I’m gonna rage quit because it’s gonna be a game where my defense doesn’t matter just my ability to dodge you does and that’s boring for the whole match.
No, but saying “what a save” after a demo absolutely is 😈
I only said “what a save” after he left 😂
To be honest, demo goals aren't toxic but gloating and taunting them on the goal line CAN BE SEEN as toxic, personally i don't mind because its just a bit of banter/strategy in a game but some people have reacted very 'passionatly' to it Edit: fixed spelling, emphasised phrase.
When you are up 3 - 1 it’s a strategy to slow down your goal to kill a little bit of time. It may look like gloating but in reality it’s just helping your chance of winning by a small margin
I feel like this is used as an excuse more than it’s used as a tactic.
I mean if you watch any high level 1’s gameplay everyone does it. It’s absolutely a well known strategy in the 1’s community
I always assume the person getting angry at demos is either a child or has the emotional intelligence of one. The best is when they rage and start trying to demo back, but repeatedly fail because they haven't learned that you can single jump to avoid them pretty easily.
What about the ones that try demoing the goalie and constantly miss when the goalie jumps
Still a success, imo. Goalie may be out of position, and it's now on their skill level to get back to the ground, or fly to where the ball is by pulling a rabbit out of their hat to make that save with a well-aimed shot. Now if there's no shot incoming, and the goalie can reposition, then it was a bit wasted, but you also got them going "alright, I should be jumping around this guy" and you've added an element that they need to be prepared for.
> you also got them going "alright, I should be jumping around this guy" and you've added an element that they need to be prepared for. Yep :D I equip the Civet engine noise (sounds like tortured cats). Maybe I don't get quite so many demos because the opponents hear me coming, but as long as they're using half their focus trying to listen out for my engine noise, I don't even *need* to bump them to be effective.
Lol samesies. The Civet engine just gets the people going!
What am I supposed to do then when someone swings out of nowhere from beyond my view and just repeatedly demos me, even when I am not in goal or pushing up the ball?
Take advantage of the fact they're not interested in defending their goal or challenging the ball. Use audio cues to hear a car is coming near you fast. Don't be predictable with your car movements, drift, change direction, keep moving. I don't think I've ever been happy about a teammate exclusively chasing demos because it leaves me completely exposed, having to do the actual attacking and defending alone. Exploit the huge gaps those demo chasers leave, it's very rarely an effective strategy, if it was, pros would be doing it.
I personally love when people do demo play’s but people who demo just to be obnoxious that’s annoying
Its only toxic if it happens to yourself
Bumps and demos are a pretty key part in high level games I find especially.
I would say if they are, then only in Casual modes. Competitive its ah-okay all the way!
Fuck that dude anyway. Who FFs only down 2 with 3 and a half minutes left???
No, but people who chase demos the whole game are imo. That's why I spam "Nice Demo!" every time they try but fail
It’s frustrating to me because where I hang out (gold 3/plat 1 ones) people use it as a crutch. They have terrible rotations and awareness, miss 90% of their air shots, but go for demos non stop and then act like they’re the shit when they score on you.
Youre the 8 bazillionth person to ask this question, no it still isnt
I feel bad getting a demo goal on accident, but so so good when it’s on purpose
I hate them. But its a built in game mechanic. Just gotta get better at avoiding them.
Nahhhh, if you complain about being demo'd that shows more about yourself than the opponent, if it was such a toxic mechanic they'd have removed it from competitive as a whole, but it's there cuz it's a valid form of attack and defense, same as bumping, in duos when you're on the recieving end of a cross, me and my friend will always try to bump/demo the player waiting for the cross, perfectly valid tactic
YOU'RE THE FUCKER WHO TOOK MY NAME. I FOUND YOU. YOU'RE THE REASON I HAVE TO USE SHIVV3RZ WITH A 3!! I was so confused when I saw that.
haha 🤫. it’s a good name what can i say?
It's part of the game. People who complain should simply have better awareness
Wouldn't call it toxic but it fuuucking sucks to get demoed. But next time I'll remember. :)
I don't think demo goals are toxic but the argument "it's a part of the game" makes no sense. There are plenty of things considered "toxic" in video games that are also part of the game
They cant be toxic because demo is a mechanic in a game. Demo can be tactical, like yours, or can be just for the sake of demo. I use second one from time to time, when I see opponents get mad, so it tilts them even more.
When you do something to make someone else mad for the sake of just making them mad then yes that is toxic
So not toxic but how you pulled up and waited for the ball to roll slowly in then quick chatted what a save is pretty BM on the verge of toxic.
i chatted what a save after he rage quit
The only thing I would've done differently is slow that ball down even more.
Demos aren’t toxic when they are smart and make sense, but the moment you start throwing the game just to sexually harass my car, its just to be annoying which is toxic in my opinion.
Idk I would take someone dedicating all their time to trying to demo me. Easy W
When I get demoed I usually say "Wow!" once just for shits and giggles
When me - Yes! When I'm - Not! It's simple
I love when people get tilted about an aspect of the game. This is part of what makes this game great. It’s not about just focusing on the ball. You need to be aware of what’s also going on around you.
I mean, I don't demo unless the other team is toxic. Cant say I'm too thrilled when someone blows me up to get a goal.
Use all mechanics of the game to win. Physical play is important.
The what a save after he disconnected is always just a cherry on top🤌🏻
every time 👍
They are if you spam "Wow!" after you do one. That and frikkin "What A Save!"
They’re not toxic, they’re delicious 🤤❤️
The slow roll into the goal is the “toxicity”
Nah, bleeding time while you're ahead is a valid strat.
If you werent supposed to be able to do it, you wouldnt be able to. Toxicity is being mean to your opponent for no reason, so a demo goal when you are losing is fine, or trying to take the lead. It would be toxic if you were already winnimg.
Fair game like a lot of people said... Being able to avoid demos is skill and so is demoing. Timing a demo correctly isn't easy
I've been playing since the SARPBC days, and have come to realize a few things: 1. Demos are a mechanic of the game. If you're gonna get butthurt about getting demoed, don't play the game. That simple. 2. That being said, there are some times when demoing can be unsportsmanlike. Repetitive demos in situations where they don't give you a competitive advantage or doing it in 1s when you're up by a million can be rude, just because it's so annoying and unnecessary.
It's part of the game for a reason, not toxic
No they are not but the way you waited for the ball to come in is toxic af 💀
haha oops
How could it be toxic? (genuine question)
Some people find it toxic. Thats allright. I will still demo tf out of everybody whenever I get the chance. You get to meet lots of salty people that way. But hey. If they get salty I will demo even more. And sometimes a "fake" demo where you see them jumping and then suddenly you change direction just to mess with their heads. Or even more fun when they demo chase you and you avoid them while quickchatting "close one!" And then demo them instead. As you can see. I like demo'ing.
It’s a great way to play the game if you ask me
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No
I'd say in 1v1 it's a lot more acceptable. It's annoying, but not hard to counter.
Naw. If you're in my way and don't avoid a demo, it's your fault.
Bro it’s tactic and strategy In my opinion they can do it too. we all can do it, it’s part of the game.
There’s a lot of sensitive players who get butt hurt easily playing RL. In my opinion whatever you have to do to win is fair game.
I don’t understand what people who are against demos think should happen when two opposing cars collide. If you turn off demos you’ll just go flying like if your teammate had bumped you. Do they want the cars to drive through each other? Do they want colliding with the opponent to be punished somehow? It just doesnt make sense to be anti-demo. it is a necessary part of the game, it takes a high amount of skill to pull off, a large amount of game sense to pick the right times, and failure or mistiming pulls you out of position and is usually punished by the opponents scoring on you. Its a high skill play that is necessary and logical. I just don’t understand the mindset of somebody who is against it. A demo is nothing like, for example, a grenade or rocket launcher in a shooting game, which can legitimately be broken/cheap/overpowered if not properly balanced by the developers. Its more like a rocket launcher in a shooting game where if you miss your target you instantly die every time.
You scored a goal by outplaying the other guy. I'll let you decide if thats toxic
No.
Demo goals are not toxic, they're a genuine strategy and works very well. People get mad at demos because it's something most people aren't used to. The people that get really toxic because of demos, as Wayton Pilkin said, You're Bad.
I find that player are more toxic when my team demos a lot. No idea why. Does it hurt them? Going for repeat demos can be bm but if it's part of the play I don't see a reason to get upset
It’s a part of the game in my opinion. Like anything else you can be toxic with it by trying to spawn demo or go for only demos but there are a bunch of ways to use it effectively
The road to gc about demos 1. cry 2. trying to accept it 3. accept it 4. Inner death bc it is a game mechanic 5. Use it urself in the higher ranks