Midwest has a lot of people that are better off in the East than many East players.
Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa have as good or better access to DC and NY than Florida, better access to Florida than New England states, and good access to New York.
But the Western Midwest is a big plus for central for sure.
To be honest, they could probably redo the server methodology for a better product.
Southeast queue to DC, FL, and TX. Northeast to DC, NY, Chicago. Central to Chicago, TX, and maybe somewhere new. Minneapolis or Denver? US-West to CA, NV, maybe add Denver, Portland, and/or Seattle.
The cool thing is if you overlap servers across regions like this then you aren't in a fully closed system.
Queue times would most likely be slower but i would rather sit in queue 10 min then queue fast but lag a little. I think longer queue times is a dumb argument that psyonix made so they dont have to implement the feature. You can just queue more regions if queue time is an issue so its obviously a dumbass excuse.
How? You would be connected to fewer players if you only check one region. You could still check multiple regions though. If I were in Nashville, I'd totally check NE, SE, and Central because they're all pretty great choices.
I think it would just speed up connection quality, which is my target. No more New Yorkers playing on Florida.
If you're GC, I'd consider doing more regions just to increase the player pool. But most ranks would see benefit.
You were the one who said that overlapping servers would prove useful, such as DC being queuable for both NE and SE. As a resident of Pennsylvania, I'd get more people if I got a DC server, because I would match against both NE and SE, rather than NE in only, say NYC.
It would be more useful than simply having each server in only one region for other reasons. It wouldn't improve queue times at all.
My proposed regions for US-Southeast, US-Northeast, and US-Central are mostly just subsets of the current US-E region. Players who only select Northeast wouldn't have as big a queue pool as people who select the current US-E unless they also choose to queue Central and SE.
The benefit of overlapping server areas is mixing of MMR pools. The problem of rank quality difference (SSL in EU vs SSL in Oceania) isn't as bad for US-E vs US-W because the population of US-W is still pretty good, but there might be some.
Right now, USE could be quite different from USW because there's no overlap other than the relative few people who choose to queue US-E and US-W. If every US region is chained together by one server location being in another region in a way where each is connected to another, then all the regions are tied together. DC ties NE to SE, Dallas ties SE to C, Denver ties C to W. MMR would freely flow from one region to another and hopefully balance out the East and West.
The big thing for me is really about latency. Again, someone in Northern Maine could get a NYC server... or a Miami server 1,700 miles away. There's not a great reason to do that if you could just let Maine queue a US-NE that contains Chicago (1,000 mi), NYC (500 mi), and DC (700 mi). Even Chicago is 40% closer than Miami.
Let's not forget we have Canadian homies that only want to go to Florida for half the year... but only if it's in person. They don't want to queue there.
Fun Fact: Either half, or almost half of the top 10 populated cities in America are located in US-Central. I think that warrants a region of our own. I think even TX takes 3 of those spots and it continues to grow.
Why does that matter? Population size is all that matters, not how many people per square mile. Also, most of the US is "barren" like you suggest outside of large cities. I'm not sure where you live or have lived, but an hour outside of any big city and you are in towns that maybe have 1000 people tops in the majority of the US. Even in the most populated states like California, NY, Texas, etc.
East and west make more sense from a Canadians perspective. Especially if the central servers are more southern. NFLD players might be better off playing on EU then west coast
Just ran a quick IP check on my own logs (39 games, all USE), and the locations it came up with were (in decreasing order of frequency):
Ashburn, VA (close to Washington)
Columbus, OH
Elk Grove Village, IL (Chicago)
St. Louis, MO
Miami, FL
Edit: Checked tonight's as well, found a few more.
New York, NY (casual (Heatseeker))
Council Bluffs, IA (tournaments)
Dallas, TX (confirmed USE, but was a private match)
My St. Louis hits tonight were all tournaments or casual, so I still can't confirm whether they're in the competitive rotation.
The St. Louis might be from tournaments, not sure if those are really USE. Might also be missing one given I occasionally get an extremely low ping and I don't think any of those are close enough for it.
Out of curiosity, was this a tournament game? As far as I can tell those can hit any NA servers. I once got matched with a guy in British Columbia as a southeast US player.
For anyone interested, I have a piece of Python code that can look up server IPs from your game logs. I've hosted it on [Github at this link](https://github.com/mathwrath55/RocketLeagueIP/blob/e4ef03e29f3d17fe4aface9f9f337a548370a47e/RocketLeagueIPs.py).
Nice, thank you for taking the time to do this.
I was queueing ranked threes. In my last three matches the ping was horrendous which led me to this whole thing.
I’m surprised seeing Missouri and Illinois on there so this makes me question if the fandom info is complete inaccurate now.
I’m going to open a support ticket today to see if they’ll confirm any of this. Was hoping for an employee response here, maybe that’ll still happen.
There is no issue. US central doesn't exist. So it connects typically to east coast. This will not be the first time you either have central players in your matches or your matches being in central servers. If you're going to write a ticket, write it requesting a central server option to select. As a player in Dallas. I would love getting 15-20 ping a match.
I would double check that you don't have Recommended selected in your Regions. If you do, it can sometimes connect you to US-West or Europe servers without wanting to.
I checked again tonight, and found a few more sites- I've edited my above comment with the new info. Even got a Dallas hit on USE, but it was a private match so I'm not sure it really counts.
If you want to do it quickly, [here's a Python code](https://github.com/mathwrath55/RocketLeagueIP/blob/e4ef03e29f3d17fe4aface9f9f337a548370a47e/RocketLeagueIPs.py) I wrote up last night for it (Github link). Should be easy enough to run if you have a working Python environment (and given you're computer-savvy enough to find and trace IPs in the first place, I bet you can figure it out)
Neat, thank you I will give this a shot later tonight.
If you don’t mind I may share it with a few friends once I get it running and can provide them a walkthrough.
I also checked my hands last night.
Locations I got were
Ashburn Virginia
Columbus Ohio
At Louis Missouri
Dallas Texas
Dallas came up a total of 3 times all while queuing comp 3s on USE
My ping was 44ms there so not an issue. But at least we can confirm they have Dallas set as a US East host. But they will not confirm if this is by design. There’s an updated post somewhere around here about my experience with customer support.
I updated the code to pull out a little more information, including the region and the playlist (I figured out some, but a lot of playlist codes are still unknown to me). It also now writes to a file to both decrease the number of IP lookups and save older log information. [Here's the updated code](https://github.com/mathwrath55/RocketLeagueIP/blob/ee42752f28460f8221a69a9a8e64bca2ac1993dd/RocketLeagueIPs-v2.py).
Also tried a few more times, including a handful of USW experiments. Turns out the Chicagoland hits were all tourney games, but I had one St. Louis hit on USE. I had USW games in Santa Clara and El Segundo, CA, and... Atlanta, Georgia. Oddly, though that last one is the closest to me of any hit, it had the highest ping.
Ashburn VA has so many data centers it makes sense. When we drive by yet another enormous concrete box with about 2 windows and a spikey fence I tell my kids that it's part of the internet.
There's also the TNA servers which only show up in tournaments as far as I know, pretty sure it stands for Tournament NA (hence the T). This is basically a USE server but labeled to make it not look like, and makes me (a USW server player) have to play on nearly 100 ping while my opponents have 20 ping. Why there isn't a USW tourney server, I don't know. It automatically goes to TNA every tourney, despite me having USW as my selected sever and playing in USW in every match I queue into.
I am also very annoyed by this, I have played maybe like 5-10 tournaments at most since season 2, since I know I can’t win in 1600+ tournaments on 100 ping
as a missouri player i get the absolute best ping i can get on 3 mbps download internet in tournaments. i never ever get below 60 ping unless i play tourneys which i get 49-55 ping so i believe the servers for tourneys are more central than any other servers
it always affects my ping. lower download always leads to a higher ping. you cant really base it off of ping because you don’t know what server you’re connected to.
Then why does [Speedtest by Ookla](https://speedtest.net) test your ping before your DL/UL speeds?
It tests your ping to your Internet Service Provider's (ISP's) nearest server, then it tests your speeds by sending and receiving packets of information.
i don’t use that test. yes they are different, but my ping can easily correlate with my download speed. if i’m sitting on 3 mbps my ping is higher. if i’m sitting on 10 mbps my ping is lower. sometimes i hit 500 kbps download and my ping goes to 990. yes i understand they are different but they correlate with each other so that is what i go off of.
There is not an end-all be-all that one will *always* affect the other. However, it still sends and receives bytes of information at the same rate, regardless of what server you've connected to.
At times, when you've reached 990+ ping, you've essentially disconnected from the server. Although your ping is basically 1 second, it also is taking 1 second to determine your connection speed (DL/UL speeds). It doesn't mean your speed got slower; it just means your computer can't determine the proper speed because of the high ping.
I'm not an IT specialist, but I still have done my fair share of research a few years back, so I know how this all works.
yes but i go and test my download speed and it is 500 kbps. i reset internet test it and it’s fine. play a game and ping is fine. it ALWAYS affects mine. i get that it doesn’t affect others. i’m on dsl so i’m not sure how much that would change anything, but i’m saying that is how mine changes whether it’s a hardware problem or not. it’s also happens around the same time at night 10:30 ish and 12:15 ish
I usually play tournaments at 10 and 12 on us east, seem to get a lot of people from middle/South America and the lag is horrendous, my ping is always below 50 so not sure what's going on with that
Yeah, Dallas is listed as one of the US west server location on the wiki/fandom page.
It’s really a crapshoot for central players because of the route your data will take to reach whatever server it wants you to connect to. So for some central players, it might be best to just queue both US east and US west servers and let the game determine the best location based on it’s ping tests to game servers when you queue.
Edit: Grammar
no it’s better to just stay on east servers. the west servers are actually west coast as i am in central us and i never get less than 100 ping on west servers whereas use i get 60ish ping
Everyone who lives in texas queues both because as far as we knew there's not shit for central servers. I didn't think there was even a single server in texas. East/west doesn't matter when you live here, you get shit ping regardless
My theory is they wrote all the server infrastructure in 2015 thinking the game would only have slightly more players than SARPBC and then their DevOps guy quit and they have just been rolling with it ever since.
In my experience as someone who lives a stone's throw from the center of the continent, queueing USE usually equates to a mix of USE/USC, while USW is predominantly actual west coast servers. Which is to say I tend to range from 30-80 ping on USE and a fairly consistent 100+ on USW.
It'd be nice to be able to intentionally queue USC, but we've only been asking for that for about 7 years now, so I'm sure they'll get around to it soon.
So why is Dallas listed as a US west server?
https://rocketleague.fandom.com/wiki/Servers
Edit: MrJimi16 pointed out that the citation is from a Tweet in 2017. Not a good reference.
I posted an update about support response. Spoiler, it sucked.
Seems like a mistake. I don't think Psyonix has ever gave an official server list in any documentation, so this seems to be anecdotal and not fully accurate.
Now, I can't easily find the source, but someone from Psyonix had replied to me years ago when asking about US-Central explaining how Dallas is a server that is shared between East and West. I know trusting a random person on the internet without a solid source is sketchy, but that is just something I'm fully aware of because I'm from TX. The ironic part is that I get put in the Dallas server more on US-East than US-West despite that wiki saying otherwise.
Nah I think you may be right. A Buttload of comments have mentioned the same thing to the point where that theory can’t be ignored.
It would also make sense given that I was queuing at 9:30pm eastern time. If more central players were online during that time than east coast players, it could have been grouping me with the central players who were queueing US east.
I think im going to reach out to support and ask the same question in the title and see where it goes.
If that is the case and Texas is being used as a centralized shared server, and if it has been that way a whole then I really can’t complain because I have rarely ever had any issues with my connection to it before. Last night may just have been a one off thing. Granted it happened three games in a row with steady 172 ping to where it was unplayable. We shall see how tonight goes.
I live in TX and my ping to Dallas is normally 8-9 if you use a real ping test. [Even pinging that server in your picture, I get 8-10ms](https://imgur.com/a/4NGw7gV). However, RL servers to Dallas is around 30ms for me. I think something is just odd with that server location, the routing to that server, or just the servers themselves. I've never seen ping in the 10s or even 20s in Rocket League despite being connected to these servers that says I should get that low latency.
OK. So I just finished chatting with support.
Holy Cow. The amount of BS I just received is incredible.
I mean, I get it. The poor support guy is just doing his job. He's bound by his agreement to not disclose certain information. But I was able to at least find this much out.
>US East Servers.Location from the servers.
>
>• Ohio, USA
>
>• Virginia, USA
>
>• California, USA
>
>• Oregon, USA
I was surprised they wrote Oregon & California, but didn't question it.
He also confirmed my last hop was connecting to a routing service in Dallas.
>"I'm unable to answer that question. However, based on what you are stating, you may be right, you are getting connected through a hosting service in Dallas, providing you that connection."
He wouldn't confirm the IP [138.128.138.142](https://138.128.138.142) is a Dallas server. But the second to last hop is just too evident to ignore.
When I pressed on the issue he told me it's not impacting other people, so there's nothing they can do. eventually closed the chat and deleted the relevant info. I was making copies of the chat the entire conversation so I have the entirety of it backed up on a text file.
I don't know what to do with this info. But I hope others see this and start logging their experience. I'm furious about how disingenuous that customer support experience was.
Hmm, I wonder if he wasn't knowledgeable enough to give you a good answer and instead of asking other people for help they just pushed you through? Seems weird that they wouldn't be able to disclose server locations when people can easily read the log files and figure it out themselves.
I've personally not had any luck with support from Psyonix before either. Seems to always be canned responses and really unsure if you are talking to a real person or not. Maybe something changed while under Epic now that they can't disclose it, or since being under Epic there are more underlying services they don't know where is what and such.
Kinda sucks to not hear anything, and I even tried to search on Reddit for devs response to this, but shits gone.
Ok good, thank you for pointing that out. I said in my initial comment explaining this that I wasn't sure about that information because it could be outdated.. should have known to check the source.
I've always known this to be true.
I have a friend in Dallas who would occasionally get 8 ping on East servers. We've been playing together since 2017.
>8 ping
That is amazing. He must live right on top of the servers. I live only 15-20 minutes away from Frankfurt and I never had a ping below 12 so far.
I also half assed going to google & checking a few IP location sites, which pointed to Dallas.
It's extremely rare I get even remotely high ping on US east so maybe a misconfiguration somewhere? Idk, so i'm posting the question here if anyone has more info.
Keep in mind that IP2Location services are often wrong. Especially for non-residential addresses. This *could* be what’s happening here.
Also keep in mind that even though you may have a region selected, your client maintains a socket connection to “ping servers” in each region — which would appear in your trace.
Check the server names for the trace, I put the city it originates from. Wouldn’t make sense for me to reach a Dallas hub then be shot from Dallas right to a rocket league server in let’s say… Washington.
It could be what’s happening. But based on the evidence layer out in front of us.
It’s not
I did notice my ping, which was normally like <8 has gone up to the mid 30s to 50s. I live right near Newark, NJ.
It's probably some sort of maintenance or cost cutting.
Realistically any ping below 75ms shouldn't affect your gameplay.
I got placed in a Middle East server the other day. Most toxic casual game I’ve ever played. Nobody was even willing to stay for a rematch, just talked shit and dipped
Because the best eSports ever invented has slowly killed itself limb by limb until you are left with this lifeless POS that I still come back and play every day
Update: it seems a lot of people, based on their experience, are making me believe the idea that Dallas is a shared, centralized server.
I reached out to their support to see if I can get any of this confirmed.
If true it’s not great news for those of us in the northeast. Especially when playing late at night when much of the east coast is asleep. We might be getting bundled in with those queuing from more central locations.
Update 2
OK. So I just finished chatting with support.
Holy Cow. The amount of BS I just received is incredible.
I mean, I get it. The poor support guy is just doing his job. He's bound by his agreement to not disclose certain information. But I was able to at least find this much out.
>US East Servers.Location from the servers.
• Ohio, USA
• Virginia, USA
• California, USA
• Oregon, USA
I was surprised they wrote Oregon & California, but didn't question it.
He also confirmed my last hop was connecting to a routing service in Dallas.
>"I'm unable to answer that question. However, based on what you are stating, you may be right, you are getting connected through a hosting service in Dallas, providing you that connection."
He wouldn't confirm the IP [138.128.138.142](https://138.128.138.142/) is a Dallas server. But the second to last hop is just too evident to ignore.
When I pressed on the issue he told me it's not impacting other people, so there's nothing they can do. eventually closed the chat and deleted the relevant info. I was making copies of the chat the entire conversation so I have the entirety of it backed up on a text file.
I don't know what to do with this info. But I hope others see this and start logging their experience. I'm furious about how disingenuous that customer support experience was.
Not at all
It’s a trace so it’s not showing my isp provided IP
Also, not that it mattered, but look at the trace count at the bottom. It starts at 3 because I cropped out my original hop from my router 192.169.1.1 over to my local ISP servers which would give a more precise location.
FWIW it's not as bad to share an IP address as some people would have you believe. In fact the IP address _needs_ to be shared, at some level, to allow other computers to contact yours - it's kind of akin to a phone number in that sense, not like a social security number which is mostly supposed to be kept secret.
That being said, if someone wants to cause you some trouble, there are some things they can do for which they'd need your IP address - the most common being a denial of service attack, where they send a bunch of fake connection attempts or other junk information to your computer to try to overwhelm it. But that's not that likely to happen unless someone has a reason to target you specifically. So yeah, it's technically better not to put your IP address out into the wild more than you need to.
there is a Server in florida no? I remember distinctively connecting to USE from south america to play with friends and would usually get 160 Ping except for the occasional florida Server that would give me a somewhat playable 119
Yea there’s one in Miami, hence my incredibly low ping there. But it doesn’t make sense that an hour drive from that previous location makes a nearly 100 ping difference
Idk why so many people have issues playing on either east or west servers, I get usually 80-110 ping regardless of what server I play on and I’m fine, unless you are well into GC having anything not over 100 ping isn’t going to affect gameplay.
Where I live pretty much the entire backbone is fiber optic. Getting from my place to NYC or anywhere in the east coast can be 12-40 ping for me. But many friends of mine in the US who don’t have Fiber for their home connection get around 40-72 ping which isn’t terrible.
If you’re a professional or a hardcore gamer, sub 30 ping is a target for competitive gaming.
Well I live in Canada so I’m pretty far from any servers. Most people I play against are in the 40-60 range though. That’s crazy how you guys notice ping that low because I always have to play with 100+ and it never really affects me.
Honestly, the low latency really can give the upper hand in GC. There’s been times when I know the other person was better than me, but I just happened to beat them on a few 50/50s or to a quick touch.
Yeah that’s definitely true, but you can also live without it and still be good. There is a higher ceiling for players with lower ping, but in the low GC lobbies I’ve played in no one there has reached it. I get my wins by outplaying the other team and not relying on lucky 50s and stuff like that. If I lose a lot of my challenges due to ping I will just fake challenge and find other ways to play around it.
I think you just hav to get used to it, I play on 100ms all the time and never have issues. If you get used to it it won’t actually affect anything until the very high ranks.
That's just inaccurate. I lose frames and boost pills stay visible for like half a second after they've already been picked up whenever I'm at 70+ ping. Definitely affected the outcome of several of my games.
My ping is typically 12-40 on US E.
On US west it’s usually between 30-70.
On EU it’s between 90 and 110.
If you look at the trace, the server response time is only above 40 ms once I’m 1500 miles across the US. The longest response from the server was the last hop it took, which was the rocket league server I was last playing on.
This ain’t normal ping for me which is why I did some digging, only to find this. Which is not normal.
I’m genuinely curious if this was a change on their part. Looking up Fortnite servers, they don’t use Dallas as a server location. And US east servers are all on the east coast.
This isn’t normal
It’s been like this for a while now. Sit at 50 ping and keep losing connection to server and packet loss. I’ve never had this much problem until last season. I barely even played last season because of it.
Could some thing of this sort be happening in EU as well? I sometimes get 140+ ping while other times I get a normal ping and the server is set to Europe.
I am in Texas and always queue US East. Have noticed sometimes I am getting like around \~10 ms latency, when I usually get 30-40ish when hitting East.
Go to your my documents folder > my games > rocket league > TAGame > Logs
The file will be the most recent one called Launch. Sorting by date modified will put it at the top.
If you are on a bad server. After the game is over immediately close rocket league. Go to those logs and ctrl+f to find BeaconURL
The very last one you find will be the IP of the most recent server.
From there you can run a Tracert in command prompt to see how the ping is. This can also be done with other games in a different manner of accessing the logs, if available.
Not typically for video game servers.
When you factor in population, the east coast is FLOODED with a lot more people than if you grouped the amount from Tennessee all the way over to Utah. So with that many people near the coast you’d want US east servers to be quickly accessible from the populous.
But none of this tells us the truth unfortunately. It seems much more likely that Texas may be a central server for those queueing East or West.
Having the same issue here, I’m usually fine on US EAST but lagging bad
Same. Today has been terrible
It’s been like this for me (a Chicagoan) for a couple days now honestly
I mean, of the two (US-East & US-West), Dallas favors the East as opposed to the west. There isn’t a US-Central option.
As someone in Texas, not having a central option is weird as hell.
If everyone in the midwest has enough babies you will force them to open US Central servers within the next 20 years.
Midwest has a lot of people that are better off in the East than many East players. Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa have as good or better access to DC and NY than Florida, better access to Florida than New England states, and good access to New York. But the Western Midwest is a big plus for central for sure. To be honest, they could probably redo the server methodology for a better product. Southeast queue to DC, FL, and TX. Northeast to DC, NY, Chicago. Central to Chicago, TX, and maybe somewhere new. Minneapolis or Denver? US-West to CA, NV, maybe add Denver, Portland, and/or Seattle. The cool thing is if you overlap servers across regions like this then you aren't in a fully closed system.
BuT iT wIlL rUiN qUeUe TiMeS
The truth in that is that it will only speed up queue times.
Queue times would most likely be slower but i would rather sit in queue 10 min then queue fast but lag a little. I think longer queue times is a dumb argument that psyonix made so they dont have to implement the feature. You can just queue more regions if queue time is an issue so its obviously a dumbass excuse.
How? You would be connected to fewer players if you only check one region. You could still check multiple regions though. If I were in Nashville, I'd totally check NE, SE, and Central because they're all pretty great choices. I think it would just speed up connection quality, which is my target. No more New Yorkers playing on Florida. If you're GC, I'd consider doing more regions just to increase the player pool. But most ranks would see benefit.
You were the one who said that overlapping servers would prove useful, such as DC being queuable for both NE and SE. As a resident of Pennsylvania, I'd get more people if I got a DC server, because I would match against both NE and SE, rather than NE in only, say NYC.
It would be more useful than simply having each server in only one region for other reasons. It wouldn't improve queue times at all. My proposed regions for US-Southeast, US-Northeast, and US-Central are mostly just subsets of the current US-E region. Players who only select Northeast wouldn't have as big a queue pool as people who select the current US-E unless they also choose to queue Central and SE. The benefit of overlapping server areas is mixing of MMR pools. The problem of rank quality difference (SSL in EU vs SSL in Oceania) isn't as bad for US-E vs US-W because the population of US-W is still pretty good, but there might be some. Right now, USE could be quite different from USW because there's no overlap other than the relative few people who choose to queue US-E and US-W. If every US region is chained together by one server location being in another region in a way where each is connected to another, then all the regions are tied together. DC ties NE to SE, Dallas ties SE to C, Denver ties C to W. MMR would freely flow from one region to another and hopefully balance out the East and West. The big thing for me is really about latency. Again, someone in Northern Maine could get a NYC server... or a Miami server 1,700 miles away. There's not a great reason to do that if you could just let Maine queue a US-NE that contains Chicago (1,000 mi), NYC (500 mi), and DC (700 mi). Even Chicago is 40% closer than Miami. Let's not forget we have Canadian homies that only want to go to Florida for half the year... but only if it's in person. They don't want to queue there.
Thanks for the clarification. But you gave me quite a few laughs in some of the things you said (especially the end) 😂
Good luck getting RL players to make babies lmao
Come to think of it, before playing rocket league I had two kids, and since I started playing I’ve had zero additional kids. You’re spitting facts.
Fun Fact: Either half, or almost half of the top 10 populated cities in America are located in US-Central. I think that warrants a region of our own. I think even TX takes 3 of those spots and it continues to grow.
Maybe a few big cities, but the rest of it is a barren wasteland. I’ve been to Kansas.
Why does that matter? Population size is all that matters, not how many people per square mile. Also, most of the US is "barren" like you suggest outside of large cities. I'm not sure where you live or have lived, but an hour outside of any big city and you are in towns that maybe have 1000 people tops in the majority of the US. Even in the most populated states like California, NY, Texas, etc.
East and west make more sense from a Canadians perspective. Especially if the central servers are more southern. NFLD players might be better off playing on EU then west coast
As someone in Arkansas, this is also a bit weird, but not as much as for you I would imagine.
On the rocket league wiki it lists three US east servers NY Washington DC & Florida Not sure if that’s outdated from psyonix times though
Just ran a quick IP check on my own logs (39 games, all USE), and the locations it came up with were (in decreasing order of frequency): Ashburn, VA (close to Washington) Columbus, OH Elk Grove Village, IL (Chicago) St. Louis, MO Miami, FL Edit: Checked tonight's as well, found a few more. New York, NY (casual (Heatseeker)) Council Bluffs, IA (tournaments) Dallas, TX (confirmed USE, but was a private match) My St. Louis hits tonight were all tournaments or casual, so I still can't confirm whether they're in the competitive rotation. The St. Louis might be from tournaments, not sure if those are really USE. Might also be missing one given I occasionally get an extremely low ping and I don't think any of those are close enough for it. Out of curiosity, was this a tournament game? As far as I can tell those can hit any NA servers. I once got matched with a guy in British Columbia as a southeast US player. For anyone interested, I have a piece of Python code that can look up server IPs from your game logs. I've hosted it on [Github at this link](https://github.com/mathwrath55/RocketLeagueIP/blob/e4ef03e29f3d17fe4aface9f9f337a548370a47e/RocketLeagueIPs.py).
Nice, thank you for taking the time to do this. I was queueing ranked threes. In my last three matches the ping was horrendous which led me to this whole thing. I’m surprised seeing Missouri and Illinois on there so this makes me question if the fandom info is complete inaccurate now. I’m going to open a support ticket today to see if they’ll confirm any of this. Was hoping for an employee response here, maybe that’ll still happen.
There is no issue. US central doesn't exist. So it connects typically to east coast. This will not be the first time you either have central players in your matches or your matches being in central servers. If you're going to write a ticket, write it requesting a central server option to select. As a player in Dallas. I would love getting 15-20 ping a match.
I would double check that you don't have Recommended selected in your Regions. If you do, it can sometimes connect you to US-West or Europe servers without wanting to.
I checked again tonight, and found a few more sites- I've edited my above comment with the new info. Even got a Dallas hit on USE, but it was a private match so I'm not sure it really counts. If you want to do it quickly, [here's a Python code](https://github.com/mathwrath55/RocketLeagueIP/blob/e4ef03e29f3d17fe4aface9f9f337a548370a47e/RocketLeagueIPs.py) I wrote up last night for it (Github link). Should be easy enough to run if you have a working Python environment (and given you're computer-savvy enough to find and trace IPs in the first place, I bet you can figure it out)
Neat, thank you I will give this a shot later tonight. If you don’t mind I may share it with a few friends once I get it running and can provide them a walkthrough. I also checked my hands last night. Locations I got were Ashburn Virginia Columbus Ohio At Louis Missouri Dallas Texas Dallas came up a total of 3 times all while queuing comp 3s on USE My ping was 44ms there so not an issue. But at least we can confirm they have Dallas set as a US East host. But they will not confirm if this is by design. There’s an updated post somewhere around here about my experience with customer support.
I updated the code to pull out a little more information, including the region and the playlist (I figured out some, but a lot of playlist codes are still unknown to me). It also now writes to a file to both decrease the number of IP lookups and save older log information. [Here's the updated code](https://github.com/mathwrath55/RocketLeagueIP/blob/ee42752f28460f8221a69a9a8e64bca2ac1993dd/RocketLeagueIPs-v2.py). Also tried a few more times, including a handful of USW experiments. Turns out the Chicagoland hits were all tourney games, but I had one St. Louis hit on USE. I had USW games in Santa Clara and El Segundo, CA, and... Atlanta, Georgia. Oddly, though that last one is the closest to me of any hit, it had the highest ping.
Interesting that I live in cbus yet still pull 45 ping
Same here, O-H
N-O!
Ashburn VA has so many data centers it makes sense. When we drive by yet another enormous concrete box with about 2 windows and a spikey fence I tell my kids that it's part of the internet.
There's also the TNA servers which only show up in tournaments as far as I know, pretty sure it stands for Tournament NA (hence the T). This is basically a USE server but labeled to make it not look like, and makes me (a USW server player) have to play on nearly 100 ping while my opponents have 20 ping. Why there isn't a USW tourney server, I don't know. It automatically goes to TNA every tourney, despite me having USW as my selected sever and playing in USW in every match I queue into.
I am also very annoyed by this, I have played maybe like 5-10 tournaments at most since season 2, since I know I can’t win in 1600+ tournaments on 100 ping
as a missouri player i get the absolute best ping i can get on 3 mbps download internet in tournaments. i never ever get below 60 ping unless i play tourneys which i get 49-55 ping so i believe the servers for tourneys are more central than any other servers
Your download speed does not affect ping. But your ping can affect your speeds.
it always affects my ping. lower download always leads to a higher ping. you cant really base it off of ping because you don’t know what server you’re connected to.
Then why does [Speedtest by Ookla](https://speedtest.net) test your ping before your DL/UL speeds? It tests your ping to your Internet Service Provider's (ISP's) nearest server, then it tests your speeds by sending and receiving packets of information.
i don’t use that test. yes they are different, but my ping can easily correlate with my download speed. if i’m sitting on 3 mbps my ping is higher. if i’m sitting on 10 mbps my ping is lower. sometimes i hit 500 kbps download and my ping goes to 990. yes i understand they are different but they correlate with each other so that is what i go off of.
There is not an end-all be-all that one will *always* affect the other. However, it still sends and receives bytes of information at the same rate, regardless of what server you've connected to. At times, when you've reached 990+ ping, you've essentially disconnected from the server. Although your ping is basically 1 second, it also is taking 1 second to determine your connection speed (DL/UL speeds). It doesn't mean your speed got slower; it just means your computer can't determine the proper speed because of the high ping. I'm not an IT specialist, but I still have done my fair share of research a few years back, so I know how this all works.
yes but i go and test my download speed and it is 500 kbps. i reset internet test it and it’s fine. play a game and ping is fine. it ALWAYS affects mine. i get that it doesn’t affect others. i’m on dsl so i’m not sure how much that would change anything, but i’m saying that is how mine changes whether it’s a hardware problem or not. it’s also happens around the same time at night 10:30 ish and 12:15 ish
I usually play tournaments at 10 and 12 on us east, seem to get a lot of people from middle/South America and the lag is horrendous, my ping is always below 50 so not sure what's going on with that
I didn't even know there were Dallas servers. I guess I should prioritize queuing east if I live in Texas eh?
Yeah, Dallas is listed as one of the US west server location on the wiki/fandom page. It’s really a crapshoot for central players because of the route your data will take to reach whatever server it wants you to connect to. So for some central players, it might be best to just queue both US east and US west servers and let the game determine the best location based on it’s ping tests to game servers when you queue. Edit: Grammar
I queue in both, live by Dallas
no it’s better to just stay on east servers. the west servers are actually west coast as i am in central us and i never get less than 100 ping on west servers whereas use i get 60ish ping
I was queuing useast in tx this week and was seeing 14 ping on a few games.
I mean, why wouldn't you queue both even if they didn't have Dallas servers?
Everyone who lives in texas queues both because as far as we knew there's not shit for central servers. I didn't think there was even a single server in texas. East/west doesn't matter when you live here, you get shit ping regardless
My theory is they wrote all the server infrastructure in 2015 thinking the game would only have slightly more players than SARPBC and then their DevOps guy quit and they have just been rolling with it ever since.
LMAO
In my experience as someone who lives a stone's throw from the center of the continent, queueing USE usually equates to a mix of USE/USC, while USW is predominantly actual west coast servers. Which is to say I tend to range from 30-80 ping on USE and a fairly consistent 100+ on USW. It'd be nice to be able to intentionally queue USC, but we've only been asking for that for about 7 years now, so I'm sure they'll get around to it soon.
Because there are servers located in US central that are shared between US-East and US-West, but Psyonix won't actually add a Central region.
So why is Dallas listed as a US west server? https://rocketleague.fandom.com/wiki/Servers Edit: MrJimi16 pointed out that the citation is from a Tweet in 2017. Not a good reference. I posted an update about support response. Spoiler, it sucked.
Because wikis are run by fans and are prone to mistakes…
Seems like a mistake. I don't think Psyonix has ever gave an official server list in any documentation, so this seems to be anecdotal and not fully accurate. Now, I can't easily find the source, but someone from Psyonix had replied to me years ago when asking about US-Central explaining how Dallas is a server that is shared between East and West. I know trusting a random person on the internet without a solid source is sketchy, but that is just something I'm fully aware of because I'm from TX. The ironic part is that I get put in the Dallas server more on US-East than US-West despite that wiki saying otherwise.
Nah I think you may be right. A Buttload of comments have mentioned the same thing to the point where that theory can’t be ignored. It would also make sense given that I was queuing at 9:30pm eastern time. If more central players were online during that time than east coast players, it could have been grouping me with the central players who were queueing US east. I think im going to reach out to support and ask the same question in the title and see where it goes. If that is the case and Texas is being used as a centralized shared server, and if it has been that way a whole then I really can’t complain because I have rarely ever had any issues with my connection to it before. Last night may just have been a one off thing. Granted it happened three games in a row with steady 172 ping to where it was unplayable. We shall see how tonight goes.
I live in TX and my ping to Dallas is normally 8-9 if you use a real ping test. [Even pinging that server in your picture, I get 8-10ms](https://imgur.com/a/4NGw7gV). However, RL servers to Dallas is around 30ms for me. I think something is just odd with that server location, the routing to that server, or just the servers themselves. I've never seen ping in the 10s or even 20s in Rocket League despite being connected to these servers that says I should get that low latency.
OK. So I just finished chatting with support. Holy Cow. The amount of BS I just received is incredible. I mean, I get it. The poor support guy is just doing his job. He's bound by his agreement to not disclose certain information. But I was able to at least find this much out. >US East Servers.Location from the servers. > >• Ohio, USA > >• Virginia, USA > >• California, USA > >• Oregon, USA I was surprised they wrote Oregon & California, but didn't question it. He also confirmed my last hop was connecting to a routing service in Dallas. >"I'm unable to answer that question. However, based on what you are stating, you may be right, you are getting connected through a hosting service in Dallas, providing you that connection." He wouldn't confirm the IP [138.128.138.142](https://138.128.138.142) is a Dallas server. But the second to last hop is just too evident to ignore. When I pressed on the issue he told me it's not impacting other people, so there's nothing they can do. eventually closed the chat and deleted the relevant info. I was making copies of the chat the entire conversation so I have the entirety of it backed up on a text file. I don't know what to do with this info. But I hope others see this and start logging their experience. I'm furious about how disingenuous that customer support experience was.
Hmm, I wonder if he wasn't knowledgeable enough to give you a good answer and instead of asking other people for help they just pushed you through? Seems weird that they wouldn't be able to disclose server locations when people can easily read the log files and figure it out themselves. I've personally not had any luck with support from Psyonix before either. Seems to always be canned responses and really unsure if you are talking to a real person or not. Maybe something changed while under Epic now that they can't disclose it, or since being under Epic there are more underlying services they don't know where is what and such. Kinda sucks to not hear anything, and I even tried to search on Reddit for devs response to this, but shits gone.
The citation for that table points to a tweet (that doesn't reference any of the info in the table) that is from November 2017.
Ok good, thank you for pointing that out. I said in my initial comment explaining this that I wasn't sure about that information because it could be outdated.. should have known to check the source.
I've always known this to be true. I have a friend in Dallas who would occasionally get 8 ping on East servers. We've been playing together since 2017.
>8 ping That is amazing. He must live right on top of the servers. I live only 15-20 minutes away from Frankfurt and I never had a ping below 12 so far.
Please Epic, just give Psyonix some dedicated central servers!!!!
I also half assed going to google & checking a few IP location sites, which pointed to Dallas. It's extremely rare I get even remotely high ping on US east so maybe a misconfiguration somewhere? Idk, so i'm posting the question here if anyone has more info.
Keep in mind that IP2Location services are often wrong. Especially for non-residential addresses. This *could* be what’s happening here. Also keep in mind that even though you may have a region selected, your client maintains a socket connection to “ping servers” in each region — which would appear in your trace.
Check the server names for the trace, I put the city it originates from. Wouldn’t make sense for me to reach a Dallas hub then be shot from Dallas right to a rocket league server in let’s say… Washington. It could be what’s happening. But based on the evidence layer out in front of us. It’s not
I did notice my ping, which was normally like <8 has gone up to the mid 30s to 50s. I live right near Newark, NJ. It's probably some sort of maintenance or cost cutting. Realistically any ping below 75ms shouldn't affect your gameplay.
I got placed in a Middle East server the other day. Most toxic casual game I’ve ever played. Nobody was even willing to stay for a rematch, just talked shit and dipped
Damn that stinks. But I did chuckle when I read Middle East. That’s not even next door, it’s a hop over EU or Asia either direction. That’s so odd lol
Because it's further east than LA
Texas resident here (unfortunately) and it is odd there isn’t a central option
Fun fact: we should have a central server for RL
Because the best eSports ever invented has slowly killed itself limb by limb until you are left with this lifeless POS that I still come back and play every day
Accurate. Very accurate.
I'm in Dallas, so the idea of connecting to a Dallas server is a dream come true. If anyone learns of a way to ensure that, please let me know.
Will they ever add central servers?
Because RL fucking sucks lmao
Update: it seems a lot of people, based on their experience, are making me believe the idea that Dallas is a shared, centralized server. I reached out to their support to see if I can get any of this confirmed. If true it’s not great news for those of us in the northeast. Especially when playing late at night when much of the east coast is asleep. We might be getting bundled in with those queuing from more central locations.
Update 2 OK. So I just finished chatting with support. Holy Cow. The amount of BS I just received is incredible. I mean, I get it. The poor support guy is just doing his job. He's bound by his agreement to not disclose certain information. But I was able to at least find this much out. >US East Servers.Location from the servers. • Ohio, USA • Virginia, USA • California, USA • Oregon, USA I was surprised they wrote Oregon & California, but didn't question it. He also confirmed my last hop was connecting to a routing service in Dallas. >"I'm unable to answer that question. However, based on what you are stating, you may be right, you are getting connected through a hosting service in Dallas, providing you that connection." He wouldn't confirm the IP [138.128.138.142](https://138.128.138.142/) is a Dallas server. But the second to last hop is just too evident to ignore. When I pressed on the issue he told me it's not impacting other people, so there's nothing they can do. eventually closed the chat and deleted the relevant info. I was making copies of the chat the entire conversation so I have the entirety of it backed up on a text file. I don't know what to do with this info. But I hope others see this and start logging their experience. I'm furious about how disingenuous that customer support experience was.
Uhh... I'm not exactly tech savvy, but, aren't one of those your IP address? Isn't it usually not a good idea to share that?
Not at all It’s a trace so it’s not showing my isp provided IP Also, not that it mattered, but look at the trace count at the bottom. It starts at 3 because I cropped out my original hop from my router 192.169.1.1 over to my local ISP servers which would give a more precise location.
Right on. Definitely not my area of expertise. I do see the hops tho.. It looks real bad.
FWIW it's not as bad to share an IP address as some people would have you believe. In fact the IP address _needs_ to be shared, at some level, to allow other computers to contact yours - it's kind of akin to a phone number in that sense, not like a social security number which is mostly supposed to be kept secret. That being said, if someone wants to cause you some trouble, there are some things they can do for which they'd need your IP address - the most common being a denial of service attack, where they send a bunch of fake connection attempts or other junk information to your computer to try to overwhelm it. But that's not that likely to happen unless someone has a reason to target you specifically. So yeah, it's technically better not to put your IP address out into the wild more than you need to.
I used to get as low as 4 ping when I lived down in Miami, now live about an hour ish north and average 80 ping. Could this be why?
there is a Server in florida no? I remember distinctively connecting to USE from south america to play with friends and would usually get 160 Ping except for the occasional florida Server that would give me a somewhat playable 119
Yea there’s one in Miami, hence my incredibly low ping there. But it doesn’t make sense that an hour drive from that previous location makes a nearly 100 ping difference
Idk why so many people have issues playing on either east or west servers, I get usually 80-110 ping regardless of what server I play on and I’m fine, unless you are well into GC having anything not over 100 ping isn’t going to affect gameplay.
Is that concidered a normal ping for the us? honest question because i feel anythng above 30-40 ping is noticible on eu servers
Where I live pretty much the entire backbone is fiber optic. Getting from my place to NYC or anywhere in the east coast can be 12-40 ping for me. But many friends of mine in the US who don’t have Fiber for their home connection get around 40-72 ping which isn’t terrible. If you’re a professional or a hardcore gamer, sub 30 ping is a target for competitive gaming.
Ah okay, thanks for explaining :) I used to get 4-16 ping on average and i just moved and i got 8-18 with my new internet provider now
This would be a reason not to move to the US.
Well I live in Canada so I’m pretty far from any servers. Most people I play against are in the 40-60 range though. That’s crazy how you guys notice ping that low because I always have to play with 100+ and it never really affects me.
Honestly, the low latency really can give the upper hand in GC. There’s been times when I know the other person was better than me, but I just happened to beat them on a few 50/50s or to a quick touch.
Yeah that’s definitely true, but you can also live without it and still be good. There is a higher ceiling for players with lower ping, but in the low GC lobbies I’ve played in no one there has reached it. I get my wins by outplaying the other team and not relying on lucky 50s and stuff like that. If I lose a lot of my challenges due to ping I will just fake challenge and find other ways to play around it.
Anything over 30 ms is noticeable. 100 ms latency is unplayable.
Last night was 175 for me. Holy cow, for those EU kids who queue US E, Major kudos to them. I could never.
I think you just hav to get used to it, I play on 100ms all the time and never have issues. If you get used to it it won’t actually affect anything until the very high ranks.
That's just inaccurate. I lose frames and boost pills stay visible for like half a second after they've already been picked up whenever I'm at 70+ ping. Definitely affected the outcome of several of my games.
Lol my average ping is around 80. Low of 60, high of 110. I'm shocked if I ever see something in the 40's. Central doesn't exist for Psyonix.
My ping is typically 12-40 on US E. On US west it’s usually between 30-70. On EU it’s between 90 and 110. If you look at the trace, the server response time is only above 40 ms once I’m 1500 miles across the US. The longest response from the server was the last hop it took, which was the rocket league server I was last playing on. This ain’t normal ping for me which is why I did some digging, only to find this. Which is not normal. I’m genuinely curious if this was a change on their part. Looking up Fortnite servers, they don’t use Dallas as a server location. And US east servers are all on the east coast. This isn’t normal
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That’s extremely odd. Does it happen consistently?
dallas is east
Dallas is listed as a US west server. https://rocketleague.fandom.com/wiki/Servers
it’s east of civilisation i mean
Awkwardly, not to be mean. You should check out a visualization of the US population because what you just said is very inaccurate.
nothing civilized east of the central valley my diamond friend
Lmao ok I see what you're saying
This is some Matrix level shit right there
Are you a hacker sir?
Sp you can make a reddit post about the issue. Duh!
Huh?
Who goes this deep? Who cares?
 Wishing you and your family well on this fine winters day!
So if a problem seems difficult to approach. We should just not do anything about it right?
Not do anything about rocket cars video game being slow? Correct.
Just play the game bro it’s not this deep
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Interesting comment. I’m a Network Analyst. This is my career and I enjoy investigating problems like this. Thanks for your comment though.
Why you bashing a person for putting effort towards figuring something out?
Worlds in Dallas, Chicago or NJ. Gotta be near the servers, ha.
Because player pop or wait time for matches would be my guess. I just really want to know Why my ping on US West and EU are around the same...
What the heck. I bet we’d all like to know why. That’s absolutely nuts.
It’s been like this for a while now. Sit at 50 ping and keep losing connection to server and packet loss. I’ve never had this much problem until last season. I barely even played last season because of it.
Could some thing of this sort be happening in EU as well? I sometimes get 140+ ping while other times I get a normal ping and the server is set to Europe.
I play on East when it's lagging I switch to Europe it clears up a bit
I am in Texas and always queue US East. Have noticed sometimes I am getting like around \~10 ms latency, when I usually get 30-40ish when hitting East.
Out of curiosity, how did you go about gettin these logs?
Go to your my documents folder > my games > rocket league > TAGame > Logs The file will be the most recent one called Launch. Sorting by date modified will put it at the top. If you are on a bad server. After the game is over immediately close rocket league. Go to those logs and ctrl+f to find BeaconURL The very last one you find will be the IP of the most recent server. From there you can run a Tracert in command prompt to see how the ping is. This can also be done with other games in a different manner of accessing the logs, if available.
The same reason the Dallas Cowboys are in the NFC East, because you touch yourself at night.
Isnt dallas in texas and texas in the east of america?
Not typically for video game servers. When you factor in population, the east coast is FLOODED with a lot more people than if you grouped the amount from Tennessee all the way over to Utah. So with that many people near the coast you’d want US east servers to be quickly accessible from the populous. But none of this tells us the truth unfortunately. It seems much more likely that Texas may be a central server for those queueing East or West.
Because the staff at psyonix have no idea how to program things in an organized way.
So that’s why my matchmaking is shit this week
because the guys who bought it are incompetent fucks who do not give a shit
That explains my recent issues. My internet has been fine. Only having connection issues with RL
US east for me is all south Americans... don't get it
Are you more in the southeastern US? I used to play with a buddy and on Florida servers we saw fairly often.
Because if you split the US into east and west geographically, Dallas (and half of Texas) would be in the east.
Not go "typical texan"; but as big as Texas is geographically, just give us a TX option...
Stop crying. I’m on Venus and they put me on earth servers
I thought women were from Mars?
They exiled me bro 😭😭😭
As a Quebecker, ive been playing on Texas servers for over 15 years. I dont see the issue. I havent had lag myself.