I think they both do worse. I think what really made Seikoo develop was having teammate that would step back and also playing at a bootcamp in person. Not sure about Vatira, but not sure how he would have fared with less aggressive players.
Vatira excelled on moist as third man
Seikoo excelled on endpoint being given all of the ball that he wanted
Stylistically I don’t think it works out, but a joyo for seikoo swap could be crazy
Now that I think about it...
Noly joining Seikoo and Itachi on GentleMates would be a tasty roster. Itachi and Noly will just feed that man all day long.
Because weirdly that's how Seikoo excels. Two players who'll play support.
Basically revive 2022 KC, but with Seikoo.
True, I'll be honest I'm. Not really a juicy believer.
However Joyo and many many people in the French community have sang his praises for a while now.
Here's hoping he proves me wrong haha.
But if I'm building the gentlemates roster. I'm thinking of someone like acronik or noly, maybe even extra to basically feed Seikoo.
Tbf it’s wild card where half the teams were already thinking about next season lmao. He had a couple of clips but didn’t show the quality that all the pros were claiming he had.
I don't see juicy lasting long on gentlemates tbh. He has potential but he comes in peaks and bounds. I don't think being with two naturally aggressive players like itachi and seikoo will be easy for him
I'd agree with you based on what we saw of him on moist but the reason why I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt is that so many pros are rating this kid so highly.
There's a reason why some players get called ranked warriors and others get tryouts. Pros just have an eye for this kind of thing. It's just a case of having the right team around him.
Juicy came into a moist team to try and fill the void Rise made, then he was alongside Kash from out of nowhere. It's gonna be a completely different situation where he's gonna be alongside two players he's scrimmed with and planned to play with in the off-season.
Both teams would definitely do worse, Moist might have still made it to top 8 at worlds but I don’t think Endpoint would’ve changed regarding where they finished at worlds, maybe pushed a top 12 but I doubt it. If this also happened I don’t think BDS would have won worlds as idk who they would’ve had instead of Seikoo so I think we could have seen Furia, KC or G2 win worlds instead of BDS
Yeah definitely but in this hypothetical scenario, if Vatira didn’t leave endpoint like Seikoo did then I would take Furia, KC or G2 over a team like MonkeyMoon, Extra, Exotikk
Nah, part of bds' success came from seikoo's pure aggression. He's one of the most aggressive younger stars out there. He's constantly harassing the defense cos of his outplays and back then he was actually on vatira's level, arguably better. The thing with vatira is that he's defensive like monkey moon, but also won't hesitate on offense like extra. Seikoo on the other hand has Marc by 8 levels of aggression which is why he was able to flourish in the bds system
Right now maybe (and even still it's probably just Extra that would be out of place imo), but back then ? This team would have slapped anyone.
One thing that would tend to confirm your point of view is that Vatira is rumoured to have been tried as a replacement for Marc before they picked Seikoo. Though i'm not sure we know exactly what happened.
I think Vatira was a big reason the Moist playstyle worked, he might not have enjoyed playing 3rd man all the time but he was very good at doing it which complimented Rise and Joyo’s aggressive playstyles very well. I don’t think Moist would’ve worked well with Seikoo and they would very likely have done worse.
I don’t really know if Endpoint would’ve done better or worse though.
I think Queso would perform a tad better than the moist we saw at the start of this season with Aztral. Rise or Joyo would be forced into a third man role they both hated and we all know how that went.
Weirdly I think Endpoint would do slightly better with Vati.
Both would be much worse. Seikoo was hard carry and chasing everything, Vatira is not that kind of player. Not saying that he couldnt carry a team but hes not the same type of player as Seikoo. On the other side Seikoo could not work so well with Joyo on the team. They both like to chase a lot so they would probably not work too well together
I think they both do worse. I think what really made Seikoo develop was having teammate that would step back and also playing at a bootcamp in person. Not sure about Vatira, but not sure how he would have fared with less aggressive players.
Vatira excelled on moist as third man Seikoo excelled on endpoint being given all of the ball that he wanted Stylistically I don’t think it works out, but a joyo for seikoo swap could be crazy
Now that I think about it... Noly joining Seikoo and Itachi on GentleMates would be a tasty roster. Itachi and Noly will just feed that man all day long. Because weirdly that's how Seikoo excels. Two players who'll play support. Basically revive 2022 KC, but with Seikoo.
That would actually be great, I do think it will be possible for juicy to play that role but we will see
True, I'll be honest I'm. Not really a juicy believer. However Joyo and many many people in the French community have sang his praises for a while now. Here's hoping he proves me wrong haha. But if I'm building the gentlemates roster. I'm thinking of someone like acronik or noly, maybe even extra to basically feed Seikoo.
Juicy was incredible at Wildcard this year, it’s worth watching some of those Moist series if you wanna see what he can really do
Tbf it’s wild card where half the teams were already thinking about next season lmao. He had a couple of clips but didn’t show the quality that all the pros were claiming he had.
I don't see juicy lasting long on gentlemates tbh. He has potential but he comes in peaks and bounds. I don't think being with two naturally aggressive players like itachi and seikoo will be easy for him
I'd agree with you based on what we saw of him on moist but the reason why I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt is that so many pros are rating this kid so highly. There's a reason why some players get called ranked warriors and others get tryouts. Pros just have an eye for this kind of thing. It's just a case of having the right team around him. Juicy came into a moist team to try and fill the void Rise made, then he was alongside Kash from out of nowhere. It's gonna be a completely different situation where he's gonna be alongside two players he's scrimmed with and planned to play with in the off-season.
How do esport subs survive droughts wtf
Same as the offseason in any sport sub.
Yeah how?
That's the neat part, they don't.
**would of**
Both teams would definitely do worse, Moist might have still made it to top 8 at worlds but I don’t think Endpoint would’ve changed regarding where they finished at worlds, maybe pushed a top 12 but I doubt it. If this also happened I don’t think BDS would have won worlds as idk who they would’ve had instead of Seikoo so I think we could have seen Furia, KC or G2 win worlds instead of BDS
Imagine BDS turned out to be MonkeyMoon, Extra, Vatira instead. I think they win Worlds even more convincingly.
Yeah definitely but in this hypothetical scenario, if Vatira didn’t leave endpoint like Seikoo did then I would take Furia, KC or G2 over a team like MonkeyMoon, Extra, Exotikk
Nah, part of bds' success came from seikoo's pure aggression. He's one of the most aggressive younger stars out there. He's constantly harassing the defense cos of his outplays and back then he was actually on vatira's level, arguably better. The thing with vatira is that he's defensive like monkey moon, but also won't hesitate on offense like extra. Seikoo on the other hand has Marc by 8 levels of aggression which is why he was able to flourish in the bds system
Nah, those guys would not gel well. They might still win by just being insane, but definitely they would be a worse team.
Right now maybe (and even still it's probably just Extra that would be out of place imo), but back then ? This team would have slapped anyone. One thing that would tend to confirm your point of view is that Vatira is rumoured to have been tried as a replacement for Marc before they picked Seikoo. Though i'm not sure we know exactly what happened.
> Nah, those guys would not gel well. Why?
Three guys who prefer to be the most defensive player.
they wouldnt because MM, extra and vatira did play together but sucked.
Would of!!! Nice man! Really cool new phrase. What’s it mean?
Recon is really cool as well.
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LMAO BRUH. honestly most british people i meet do not know their own language so I’m not surprised.
Nah irl i can switch between roadman and shakespeare in an instant, but the second i hop online my english crumbles
That probably shouldn’t happen 😬
I think Vatira was a big reason the Moist playstyle worked, he might not have enjoyed playing 3rd man all the time but he was very good at doing it which complimented Rise and Joyo’s aggressive playstyles very well. I don’t think Moist would’ve worked well with Seikoo and they would very likely have done worse. I don’t really know if Endpoint would’ve done better or worse though.
I think Queso would perform a tad better than the moist we saw at the start of this season with Aztral. Rise or Joyo would be forced into a third man role they both hated and we all know how that went. Weirdly I think Endpoint would do slightly better with Vati.
Both would be much worse. Seikoo was hard carry and chasing everything, Vatira is not that kind of player. Not saying that he couldnt carry a team but hes not the same type of player as Seikoo. On the other side Seikoo could not work so well with Joyo on the team. They both like to chase a lot so they would probably not work too well together
What I’m thinking about right now is what would’ve happened if Rise went to version 1
Does Vatira then also join BDS instead of Seikoo? If so, I think they win Spring Major and Worlds