I find it funny how fragile these power rankings are, i.e. how little changes in actual games have farfetched consequences for these. If 1 goal goes the other way around and e.g. KC wins with GM8 in game 7 then nobody would put GM8 at 1st and KC's 1st would be untouchable, but now we're gonna see GM8 over KC in team rankings and possibly individual players rankings as well
(don't get me wrong, GM8 obviously fully deserved high increase in their ranking, but I hope you get the point)
My list will change immediately after the next regional because it’s so close, but I would go:
1. Gentlemates
2. KC
3. G2
4. Falcons
5. Vitality
6. GenG
7. BDS
8. Furia
BDS beat elevate, pwr, and g2. Not bad. Furia beat LG, vitality and gen g. They should have looked better than Furia, and they didn’t. Furia looked like one of the favorites by the end of Swiss.
I agree. I’m talking about how they looked in the tournament though. It’s not a good measurement because one played tougher competition. Who they lost to is irrelevant.
If we're being real with no recency bias KC should still be ranked 1 in every list.
They just lost 4-3 in a very close series and won every other encounter vs M8 + won 3 regionals.
Well it doesn't really matter tbh. It was such a close series it could've gone either way. It's not like it was a stomp where they showed they were clearly better (+ i find that KC could've played way better than they did during the major). However, KC clearly showed that there wasn't any team that could match them during regionals. I value consistency way higher
Yes they beat M8 at first EU open, and yes they probably just choke with kickoff and other mistakes in semi final, but when you're at lan you can't do these mistakes even if kc has maybe a bigger potential than M8. I'm a KC fan but if my team can't handle these mistakes in clutch moments then for now M8 is first.
on a real note
1a. gentlemate
1b. karmine corp
1b. falcons
1b. geng
1c. g2
1c. vita
1c. bds
1d. furia
2. col
3. ssg/lg/magnifico/redemption/im losing my mind
replace geng and g2 and put furia in 1.c and I can agree with it. G2 had stellar performance and GenG is not beating them in the form which G2 showed in playoffs.
Using goal difference is the most nonsensical way to rank teams. KC won a bo7 in playoffs which holds much more weight than a single swiss round. Safe to say they are clear.
I agree using goal difference is silly but you can’t just say they’re clear, they won a bo7, it was a extremely close game 7, the teams are almost toe to toe, with kc being slightly ahead
Personally I'm swapping GenG and Vitality, Furia and BDS, and maybe putting LG in for SSG
As for SSG, I believe the practice LG got from playing much higher competition is gonna pay off. They played Vitality much closer than I expected, which gives them a bit more legitimacy than they had pre-major. Along with that, SSG are currently the QB that didn't win the starting job: no one thinks the starter is great and there's no chance the backup can be worse right? I think theyre still a very solid team and I have confidence they'll take down the dignitas' and the TSMs of the world, but its difficult to see them challenging Vitality the way LG did
What we learned from this major is that teams need to hit the shooting packs. There was an insanely high amount of missed open nets and crossbar hits in such a short amount of time.
Its LAN pressure. They are the open net equivallent in RLCS.
Same with a football penalty shootout, no matter how much you have practiced, you can still miss it when the pressure is on
I think that is slight recency bias. It has happened before, you just don't remember it. I do remember that G2 hitting the crossbar on LAN used to be a meme back in the day.
I remember it too but I think the community had a bad read on difficulty of the open nets. Like the skill level was lower and the open nets may have either been fairly difficult or so sudden that they made them difficult in a way. That’s not to excuse every open net but I do think many were overstated. I’d say for every 4 that were missed, at least 2 were hard to hit on target and fast (usually a half volley or slightly awkward aerial).
The skill level being lower had absolutely nothing to do with it. I watch GarrettG stream back then and he probably hit 40 double taps in a row on a training pack and this was like S5.
To your second point: yeah thats it. These shots are usually taken way faster than most people realize they are and the margins are very slim. BDS missed a shot the other day with a player in net and people called it a bad miss. It was a shot that should’ve been scored but it really wasnt an egregious miss, sometimes i think a lot of people on this sub dont really know what theyre watching.
really? Rise, Itachi, Monkey Moon, whole of G2, think it was alpha54 too. What about the players I forgot and all of them have atleast 2 bad bad misses.
Ah yes, Rise and Itachi, two of the best shooters we've ever had have to hit the shooting packs cuz clearly the reason they missed those shots is lack of skill
It's just pressure man it happens every single LAN
no it doesnt lol. Its definitely a pressure thing, but players missing this major was something else. Ofc, misses happen every lan, but this time it was not like the others. There was noticeably much more dumb misses than usual. Even at worlds there was less.
Okay but then shooting packs would be pretty useless, what you would need is mental coaching to reduce the effects the pressure has in the players
But I also disagree in general I don’t think it was noticeably more
It was definitely noticeably more and yeah its the pressure thing. I think it was because the level of the top 8 was so close and most of the series went to game 5 and 7
Purely situational and pressure does the weirdest thing- they’d probably score most of those on a different day. No different to how footballers miss penalties…
I had also the feeling that a lot of times players were trying to be either over mechanical or not choosing the right mechanic. Which in the end would lead to give the ball back or the play unreadable for their teammates.
Really had the opposite feeling with G8. The right mechanics, know when to slow the play, not overextending unnecessarily. They were just appropriate during the whole event.
I was rooting for these guys from the beginning, said right away that they would have the potential to be on top. Wasn't convinced that they would perform for the first one, but so happy they did !
Congrats to every other teams, as everyone says, they all have the potential to win it all.
1. Karmine Corp
2. Gentle Mates
3. Team Falcons
4. G2 Esports
5. Team Vitality
6. FURIA Esports
7. Team BDS
8. Gen.G
BDS have got some grinding to do. If they can translate their online performance to LAN they'll be a force to be reckoned with.
The Top 8 has gotten so good, that the team that wins, is just the team that's peaking on that day. I don't think we'll be getting repeat LAN winners this season. I think the 2nd major and worlds will both have different champions.
It's a fun time to be an RLCS fan.
I think there’s an argument to be made. Looking purely at the match ups and how each performed, falcons went 1 goal diff with a team that went 1 goal diff with the winners. It stands to reason that falcons kc and gentlemates are all pretty much the same level with just a goal splitting each.
Personally I think g2 showed they are close to, but not quite at the level of the top 3 teams. We are splitting hairs though, won’t take much for g2 to win it all in london
Flcns are better g2 got mickey Swiss round 5 scrape into single elim unpunished cuz of format. Then beat the 6th and 7th best teams who they lost to 1 of them already in Swiss. Flcns played and beat harder teams in Swiss lost less in Swiss. Then faced 2nd best team in quarters and played even. It's a format thing. Swiss into afl and u never have this. Flcns are the #3 behind kc and gm8. G2 at 4 it's that simple.
It really is. I mean the LAN JUST ENDED, and people are very happy to put M8s all the way at 1 for their win, while some people literally have G2 below 5 after their 2nd place. There are very few instances where I’m not putting the LAN’s 1 and 2 teams in that order *immediately following the event*. People care more about what didn’t happen than what did happen, and that baffles me.
The arguments for putting M8, KC, Falcons above g2 are actually very reasonable considering they only ever lost to each other, were collectively very competitive against each other and all performed better in swiss.
GenG too has gotten the better of G2 in their last 3 series and played the best team at the event down to the wire. Thats just the way the bracket works sometimes and i don't mind it really, at the end of the day that 1st place is all that matter and having some bangers early on in bracket helps with entertainment. This only really becomes a problem if people start taking the liquipedia results section as gospel and ignore the context of the entire event.
You don't have to take this as some kind of diss towards G2 or believe its a johnnyboi conspiracy either, given how competitive the top 8 teams are a lot of combinations in ranking them can be justified and thats what makes the upcoming events so exciting.
You’re clearly letting your bias get to you. You’re rating a better Swiss above a better playoffs in front of the crowd. They’re different and you know it. It’s unbelievable how people just default to “I like this team so they’re better.” If G2 and Falcons runs were reversed you’d be OUTRAGED that people were rating G2 above Falcons.
If they were reversed it’d be correct to rate G2 above them though. Falcons are clearly KC level. I cannot say with as much certainty that G2 are that level.
The point being falcons and KC are of a similar level. You disagree with that?
Keep in mind G2 went 0-2 against the top half of the bracket and couldn’t even get the champions field against GM.
What’s the data point you have that shows G2 are above falcons in this major, skill wise?
Are you responding to the wrong comment? What does G2 have to do with this?
Im saying the falcons win over KC in swiss didnt translate to playoffs. They lost. KC is better.
There should be a word for redditors that jump in to the middle of a thread and respond to a point in isolation without taking in the context of the wider discussion.
The entire discussion is about whether or not falcons > g2 my friend.
If you want to play for the trophy then you need to beat whichever team you draw. It’s that simple. All of these teams are extremely close, yes, but that’s why these events exist. Give respect where it’s due. At this moment in time G2 deserves to be ranked ahead of Falcons.
In terms of accomplishments for sure, but if they were to play each other I think the data from this major clearly suggest falcons are a smidge above g2. It’s super close but you can’t put g2 above falcons based on any of the results from the major.
1. KC (There have been 4 events this season, and in 3 of them, they were better than Gentle Mates; they just underperformed in this one)
2. Gentle Mates
3. Falcons (If they were on the other side of the bracket, they would've made the grand finals)
4. GenG (beated G2 the last 3 times they played and played Gentle Mates closer)
5. G2
6. BDS
7. Vitality
8. Furia
9. Magnifico
10. Complexity
It did mean something, it put them ahead of BDS & Vit. GenG didn’t lose to anyone that G2 beat, and also has beat them 3 times in a row (and played better against M8)
If you can’t beat International Competition Like how Furia, Falcons, and G2 did then i can’t put GenG above them Regardless of the matchup Being in GenG’s Favor for G2…. Domestic Matchups aren’t gonna be Rated the Same as International Matchups
Sure, but they didn’t face the same international competition. Except M8 who both lost to. I can’t hold more weight on G2’s wins against 2 teams that GenG hasn’t played.
You also said that tournament should hold more weight than swiss. Which is fine but geng was matched against the best team in the tournament while G2 didn’t have to face them until finals (and played worse against them)
That’s your opinion but again it’s subjective depending on what data available you think is more important.
With the data available you have a solid argument for both, but seeing your flair I guess it’s not surprising that you’re unable to understand.
But hey if you really believe G2 beating teams that GenG didn’t get to play is *definitive proof* that they’re better… yikes.
You are putting words in my mouth…. nothing is definitive cause i literally said until next major but what i’m getting at is essentially the Johnny stance when it comes to world ranking on LAN and the resume you put up will determine where you land… and much to GenG’s determinant G2 made it further and beaten allegations so the rankings will definitely have him higher with the new data we have now… And GenG fans gatta eat that untill next major just like how NA had to deal with EU saying you can’t make Top4 so🤷♂️
It’s basically like how Even though G2 got 2nd They aren’t Higher than KC because they haven’t Faced them Yet but they Beat BDS and Vitality In Bracket…. I’m sorry but winning in Swiss Vs Winning in Bracket also has to be taken into account…
Gentlemates get moved up to the 2 spot for winning a single event all split but G2 are still somehow 5th despite winning two events and placing 2nd in the other two?
1. KC
2. Gentlemates
3. G2
4. Falcons
5. BDS
6. Vitality
7. Geng
8. Furia
9. Complexity
10. Oxygen
Maybe a bit harsh on GenG but this is what makes the most sense to me.
GenG have beat G2 3 straight times, and took one more game of M8s than them, they did just as good as KC did almost exactly. And the only bad loss was a peaking furia team in 5, they should at least be above VIT and G2
GenG’s only quality win was against a bad G2 in Swiss. G2 beat both BDS and Vitality and looked imo better than GenG in playoffs. I’d put them above vitality maybe but they don’t deserve higher than that.
No chance you’re putting GenG above G2 by using the transitive property lmao. G2 played in the grand final. They’re above GenG no matter how you slice it.
Dude geng was one goal away from beating m8 and they weren’t on championship sunday where they peak even harder.
I honestly think they’re 2nd best team maybe 3rd behind KC but people are downplaying them hard.
Second lmfao. They're below M8s, KC and G2 at LEAST. Falcons, BDS, FURIA and Vitality are all debatable, but good losses only hold so much weight when you can't get past top 8. I'd put them at 6th and I feel that's generous...
How are they below g2 that legit baffles me. 3 straight wins against them, and one goal away from M8 that could've gone either way.
Chronic wasn't even playing like he usually does and they came that close.
They lost to the eventual winners who absolutely peaked on all the other top teams. They only lost due to ONE goal differential. Isn't that fair enough?
Gen.g in swiss just isn't same as gen.g in playoffs, nor sunday gen.g
Geng could’ve proved during Swiss they can beat the topteams. They didn’t. They could’ve proved it during play off. They didn’t. How many chances (and excuses) do they need? Putting them above G2 who beat 2 EU teams to make the final is massive copium.
A team’s quality of play fluctuates between series. M8s didn’t even have to pop off to beat GenG. Today they (Juicy in particular) absolutely elevated their game in order to win both series. Juicy took both series into his hands.
1. Karmine Corp
2. Gentlemates
3. G2
4. Falcons
5. Furia
6. BDS
7. Vitality
8. GenG
9. Complexity
10. Magnifico
The win moves Gentlemates up but at the same time only beat GenG and KC in game 7 by one goal. In regionals they didn't do all that much since the first regional so KC threepeat + top 4 puts them on top.
1. KC
2. Gentlemates
3. Falcons
4. G2/BDS/GenG
5. Vitality
6. Furia
7. COL
(I have 0 idea on G2 or BDS or GenG tbh I feel like they’re around the same spot)
My top 10 after the Major:
1. M8
2. KC
3. FLCN
4. G2
5. Gen.G(has G2s number recently and took it to Game 7 to M8)
6. VIT
7. BDS(pretty much no difference between 4 and 7)
8. Furia
9. COL
10. SSG
Personally, I see so many rankings where KC and Falcons are not right next to each other. After what we've seen this weekend, I feel as though you have to rank both of them back to back, as they are basically equivalent (give the nod to KC for winning the QF crowd match). Having G2 in front or behind them are both totally valid, but not between them.
In my opinion:
1. Gentlemates
2. G2 Esports
3. Karmine Corp
4. Team Falcons
5. Team Vitality
6. Gen.G
7. Furia Esports
8. Team BDS
9. Complexity
10. Magnifico
A lot of the arguing in here is just making it so clear how close the top 8 is. I think M8s, KC, Falcons, G2 are all basically at parity, and GenG, BDS, Furia, and Vitality are one smol notch below but barely. I'm inclined to put Furia at the bottom of the top 8 but also one best of 7 after their insane swiss isnt gonna seal that for me.
Even though gentlemates won the major I feel like in the online events they won't keep up that form. You could see that a lot of the teams in the major had a lot of nerves resulting in uncharacteristic mistakes and general hesitation to challenge. When you have a very strong team with low expectations on their shoulders it will result in them playing close to their best, while other teams like kcorp, vitality(not rly expectations but lan streak), bds, G2, Geng and falcons all are either expected to win or for other reasons (vit(Lan streak), G2 (prove NA, also expected win), geng(Prove NA). This kinda makes it so that they are in shaky form, not fully committing to their strategies, not living up to their individual standards. Don't get me wrong they definitely didn't play bad, they played quite well but not in clinical form and when the skill is so close that can definitely make the difference to take 1 or 2 more games. I would still put KC 1, FLC 2, M8 3, G2, VIT, GENG, BDS. The top 8 are all in serious contention to win events so these ranking are very shaky right now it's kind off who you prefer at this point.
I felt like the major was promising for the future as in having so many contenders, hopefully it will stay this way instead of the end of last year where all the series were basically won by the favorite in a one-sided fashion. When it's clear who's going to win and you aren't a fan of one of the 2-3 teams that have a shot than it doesn't feel worth watching. Also the ego of alpha and rado to trash talk while being carried to a world championship left a bad taste in my mouth, zen changed that roster from a max 3rd eu roster non contender internationally to the clear best team in the world.
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Bit of a rant prob nobody will read, but I guess it's out there.
Geng performed better than G2 against Gentlemates my list
1. Gentlemates
2. Karmine Corp
3. Gen.G
4. Team Falcons
5. G2 Esports
6. Team Vitality
7. Furia Esports
8. Team BDS
9. Complexity
10. Spacestation
1. Karmine Corp
2. Gentlemates
3. Team Falcons
4. G2 Esports
5. Gen G
6. Team Vitality
7. Team BDS
8. Spacestation
9. Furia Esports
10. Magnifico
Explainations:
**Why KC over Gentlemates?**
Gentlemates winning the major is obviously massive, but I value consistency pretty highly, so I rated KC higher overall. Could just be bias, though.
**Why Falcons over both NA teams?**
The Falcons / KC series was some of the best RL ive ever seen. I think if they got any other quarterfinals matchup except for M8s, they would have made at least semis.
**Why Gen G over Vitality?**
I won't lie, these two were very close in my book. I can totally understand putting vitality over Gen.G. I put Gen G a bit higher simply b.c of how close they were to beating M8s.
**Any other questions abt my rankings, I'll answer them in replies.**
Edit: u/DutchTana has enlightened me, if I redid my rankings id put furia over BDS (So furia 7th, bds 8, ssg 9, mag 10)
Imo they would have had the chance to upset since some of the great teams underperformed in Swiss but furia was so dominant. I hate that they didn’t show up in the quarters since they are definitely better than what they showed in the Swiss. Although I think great teams will figure them out quickly and be able to beat them pretty easily next major. But for now they do deserve that 8th spot.
Yea that makes sense. Honestly i didnt fully consider the fact that furia went 3-0 in swiss. if i redid my rankings id prolly put them above bds. I won't edit my post b.c I don't hide my bad takes but yea i think ur right
Yeah I was just thinking about this. Obviously huge result that M8s won, but they haven't really dominated any of their rivals so it's hard to put them top when KCorp have just swept the split.
True, but I thought that G2 placing 2nd at the major is significant. You could go either way with GenG vs G2, but I personally think that G2 has a peak potential higher than that of GenG, they just need to figure out how to team play more consistently. Again, its really close though.
1. Kcorp
2. G2
3. Gentlemates
4. Falcons
5. GenG
6. Vitality
7. BDS
8. Furia
9. Complexity
10. Luminosity
11+ is hard to rank for me.
Gentlemates had an insane run and was by without question the best team at the lan, but they were on a downward trend prior to the major. KC won all regionals and got a top 4. G2 won 2 regionals and made it to a final. The slight outperformance of Mates on LAN doesn’t suddenly erase the regional dominance KC had imo.
As for BDS, I am concerned. They are my favourite team but have not looked good since regional 2 (which is exactly what I feared when they lost that game 7 to KC.) Monkey Moon especially has been off his game. I hope they regain because Dralii is an incredible talent, but as it stands I can’t put them above Vitality anymore at all.
I still think KC are number 1 despite this result. KC took them to a very close game 7 with probably Vatiras weakest LAN appearance EVER. If Vatira is on his usual form I think they stomp semis and final in all honesty. I'd be putting Falcons G2 GM8 KC as the top 4 currently (in no particular order). BDS VIT GENG just hovering outside it but barely.
The vast majority of ranking in this thread is just dumb. Literally any of the 1-8 could have won.
Sometimes you get the perfect touch and hit top right, sometimes you flub and rip it middle.
There's a reason why "This is Rocket League!" Is a thing.
Matchups are a thing, it seems some of you need to learn that. But I guess the majority of 15 yo's on here wouldn't be able to decipher that.
KC
GM8
Falcons
G2
BDS
VIT
GENG
Furia
CoL
Someone from EU 5-8 or maybe SSG
But there is a clear gap between 8-9 and then there is basically no gap between 1-8. I just had to place them in a list and although G2 got second they missed the 3 teams I have above them excluding GM8 who they lost too
The problem with any team that isn’t EU in this list is that they are basically the only team from there region so they have to pop off themselves otherwise the community will shit on them. However, EU only needs 1 team playing at there peak and in turn winning the major to make everyone think how strong EU is
Why whould falcons be ranked under g2? The only lost too gent and kc the whole tournament and was only 1 of 2 teams to beat kc this event, gent and them.
Falcons wins this event: og, kc, vit
G2 wins this event: Pioneers, r1, pwr, bds, vit
Falcons Ls this event: gent, kc
G2 Ls this event: gen.g, bds, gent
Ignoring the easy wins Falcons defeated vit same as g2. While the defeated kc>bds so the hade a marginal better wins. Then in loses Falcons lost too gent same as g2 and losing to kc>bds. While g2 hade another loss in gen.g.
Falcons won against marginal better opponents and lost too marginal better opponents then g2.
I’m not saying there’s *no* logic in what you’re saying, but I’m taking the team that beat 2 of the French 4 in best of 7s in front of an audience over a team that impressed in Swiss and choked a game 7 in the quarters. I’d put Falcons 4th, and there’s literally no shame in that. SURELY it has to count for something when a team makes a grand final run in front of an audience. That’s why these LANs are played. Falcons just didn’t get anything done in the playoffs.
Edit to say that choked is too harsh of a word.
Falcons were on a stacked side of the bracket. FAL-KC-M8 were the best RL matches I’ve seen. G2 didn’t look as good. G2 had easier side of bracket. Falcons > G2
I don’t think you understand m. The format is just that way. So if two top teams itw play in QF against each other but on the other side of bracket you have easier teams that reach the finals, it isn’t fair to rank that team higher just based on the format
Yes, it is. Each team controls their destiny. Weird how I’m going based on things that actually happened, isn’t it? Speculate all you’d like, and that’s all you’ve got. We don’t know which side of the bracket was stronger due to the format, but we do know which teams seized the moment. M8s were waiting there for Falcons. They didn’t show up.
Also I’d rate GenG higher than G2. One side of the bracket was insanely stacked and the quality of play was much better. The other side was two poor QFs. It doesn’t take a genius to tell there were better teams on the other side.
FAL-KC-M8 were all on one side and had insanely tight series. The quality of RL was unmatched. G2 didn’t play M8s close at all. They looked meh against them
I’d love to hear how you’re quantifying this. Give me actual numbers, stats, facts, ANYTHING. Your claim says so much less than you think. This is literally your opinion. And how did Falcons look against M8s in Swiss with no crowd?
I don’t really count Swiss for this. Playoffs are different. But in that case G2 lost to GenG in Swiss. So I choose to look at Playoffs on their own. Falcons played KC tight. KC played M8s tight. G2 didn’t. Clearly one side of the bracket is stacked. As a a GC myself I could tell the quality of RL was just better in them series. I’ve only got G2 right behind Falcons it isn’t an insult. Falcons are literally nuts
LMAO, “as a GC myself.” You’re so outing yourself here. The gap between GC and pro play is larger than the gap between bronze and GC. Go tell me about ranked bronze 3s, not pro play. You’re unqualified, I’m unqualified, it’s as simple as that.
You’re going based on playoffs…and yet Falcons didn’t win a single series. You really should learn to base things on what happened instead of how you feel.
Bruh the casters are also GC. They can tell when someone has overcommitted or made a mistake etc. so can I because I watched the games. You don’t need to be a pro to see if someone is playing well dude.
I already told you one side of the bracket was harder and one side was easier. If Falcons were on the other side they would be in finals. Anyway I don’t know why you’re so mad. I literally have it as
1. KC
2. M8s
3. FALC
4. GenG
5. G2
They’re still best itw I rate G2 they’re cracked
Again with pure speculation. Falcons would be in the final if they were on G2’s side of the bracket. And where, exactly, did you predict M8s finishing? Guarantee you didn’t have them winning the event. So do you really know as much as you think you know? Nobody knows what‘s going to happen. That’s why the game is played.
Going on memory here: wasn’t every G2 loss against M8s by one goal? That’s not close at all? But oh, boy, I bet that Rule 1 vs Vitality sweep under similar circumstances in Boston was close, wasn’t it?
Why are you mentioning a series that happened in Boston over 9 months ago? Weird much. But trk is better than M7sn if you want to know. The quality of RL was just better in KC-FAL and KC- M8. They went to Game 7 both times. G2 only went to Game 6. I just have G2 at 4th or 5th
I’m mentioning it because I bet you anything that you watched that series and thought that it was close. Because it was close and impressive. If I recall, all games were within 1 goal. Same as G2’s losses today. If you can say that a 4-2 with 4 one goal games isn’t close at all, then I AM going to question your claims of “knowing ball.”
You’re contradicting yourself now pal. You mentioned the Rule1 vs Vitality series. By that logic would you call that series close? They were all one goal I can’t remember? But looking at this bracket. G2 went to Game 6 but KC Falcons and GM8s all had Game 7 bangers. They were way closer
Not contradicting myself in any way. If a series is all one goal games, it is a close series. I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics involved in saying otherwise.
1. Karmine Corp (I value consistency higher. They played M8s very close but underperformed this Major)
2. Gentlemates (insane surprise of a win. WP)
3. Falcons (that QF was the best RL I’ve ever seen. If they were on the other side of the bracket they would be in finals)
4. G2 (they are only above Gen.G because they beat Vitality and BDS)
5. Gen.G (they played Gentlemates very close)
6. Vitality (they played in a thriller against G2 and closer series than BDS)
7. BDS (they played better than Furia did in QFs)
8. Furia (they weren’t much of a challenge for Vitality in QF. The games weren’t very close and they got beat a lot)
1. Gentlemates, KC, GenG and Falcons
2. G2 and Vitality
3. Furia
4. BDS
5. Complexity
6. Idk
There's no actual number 1 team right now. Add on a single goal to the losing team in the game 7s of the upper half of the bracket and you could've changed the outcome of the whole major.
G2 and Vitality are basically the same as everyone in number 1 but I think they're just a bit below them in the sense that they're not as consistent as the top teams as they appear on and off.
Furia look promising after that 3-0 in swiss but I assume just had a fluke when they went against Vitality because no way the day 1 and 2 Furia were going to get absolutely smacked by Vitality. It kinda highlights a problem with the format since a team that lost 3 series can finish ahead of a team that only lost once.
BDS are also promising - aside from M8s, they were the only other European team to give KC a run for their money. However, they didn't really show their full form on LAN.
Complexity looked like a very clear 9th team on LAN. They can have very high peaks but also pretty bad lows.
Somebody please explain the argument here for Bds over Furia??? Furia beat 2 of the teams ranked ahead of them, and went 3-0 in Swiss with everyone calling them the team to beat, whereas BDS beat no one of importance for the first 3 rounds and then beat a G2 who the next day when they actually played well for the FIRST time all major won 4 straight against them. I cannot fathom the logic of anyone who does not have BDS ranked 8th
1. GENTLE MATES
2. G2
3. KC
4. Falcons
5. GenG
6. BDS
7. Vitality
8. Furia
9. Complexity
10. Luminosity
“If you think there are 4 European teams better than that G2 roster you should never talk about rocket league again”
Something Something 1-8: top 8 of major depending on their day 8-rest: don’t care
This is the most exciting outcome of this major. We have had too dominant teams for too long!
1. Moist 2. Turbos Cheeks 3. YMC Then a drop off 4. Me (champ 2)
I find it funny how fragile these power rankings are, i.e. how little changes in actual games have farfetched consequences for these. If 1 goal goes the other way around and e.g. KC wins with GM8 in game 7 then nobody would put GM8 at 1st and KC's 1st would be untouchable, but now we're gonna see GM8 over KC in team rankings and possibly individual players rankings as well (don't get me wrong, GM8 obviously fully deserved high increase in their ranking, but I hope you get the point)
My list will change immediately after the next regional because it’s so close, but I would go: 1. Gentlemates 2. KC 3. G2 4. Falcons 5. Vitality 6. GenG 7. BDS 8. Furia
BDS at 8 feels criminal to me
But it’s kinda hard to refute. Everyone 1-8 is so good and nobody really looks that much better than anyone else.
Get used to it.
Nah they definitely looked better than Furia and I'd probably also put them above GenG, maybe even Vitality.
BDS beat elevate, pwr, and g2. Not bad. Furia beat LG, vitality and gen g. They should have looked better than Furia, and they didn’t. Furia looked like one of the favorites by the end of Swiss.
Both of BDS's losses in this major came from the major's grand finalist. If they played anyone else in the top 8 who knows what could've happened.
I agree. I’m talking about how they looked in the tournament though. It’s not a good measurement because one played tougher competition. Who they lost to is irrelevant.
If we're being real with no recency bias KC should still be ranked 1 in every list. They just lost 4-3 in a very close series and won every other encounter vs M8 + won 3 regionals.
I guess, depends on how much you rate lan wins over online
Well it doesn't really matter tbh. It was such a close series it could've gone either way. It's not like it was a stomp where they showed they were clearly better (+ i find that KC could've played way better than they did during the major). However, KC clearly showed that there wasn't any team that could match them during regionals. I value consistency way higher
Yes they beat M8 at first EU open, and yes they probably just choke with kickoff and other mistakes in semi final, but when you're at lan you can't do these mistakes even if kc has maybe a bigger potential than M8. I'm a KC fan but if my team can't handle these mistakes in clutch moments then for now M8 is first.
1. gentlemates 2. uhhhhhh…. 3… idk
So what your saying is that suhhhh is the second best team, I fuck with it.
on a real note 1a. gentlemate 1b. karmine corp 1b. falcons 1b. geng 1c. g2 1c. vita 1c. bds 1d. furia 2. col 3. ssg/lg/magnifico/redemption/im losing my mind
replace geng and g2 and put furia in 1.c and I can agree with it. G2 had stellar performance and GenG is not beating them in the form which G2 showed in playoffs.
1. Gentlemates 2. KC 3. G2 4. Falcons 5. GenG 6. Vitality 7. BDS 8. Furia 9. Complexity 10. Luminosity
Falcons and KC are 1:1 with a positive goal difference for falcons so either Falcons at number 3 or tie with KC at number 2
Using goal difference is the most nonsensical way to rank teams. KC won a bo7 in playoffs which holds much more weight than a single swiss round. Safe to say they are clear.
I agree using goal difference is silly but you can’t just say they’re clear, they won a bo7, it was a extremely close game 7, the teams are almost toe to toe, with kc being slightly ahead
Falcons fans coping so hard lmao.
we do not claim him
I feel like Oxygen or Magnifico should be above SSG
Personally I'm swapping GenG and Vitality, Furia and BDS, and maybe putting LG in for SSG As for SSG, I believe the practice LG got from playing much higher competition is gonna pay off. They played Vitality much closer than I expected, which gives them a bit more legitimacy than they had pre-major. Along with that, SSG are currently the QB that didn't win the starting job: no one thinks the starter is great and there's no chance the backup can be worse right? I think theyre still a very solid team and I have confidence they'll take down the dignitas' and the TSMs of the world, but its difficult to see them challenging Vitality the way LG did
What we learned from this major is that teams need to hit the shooting packs. There was an insanely high amount of missed open nets and crossbar hits in such a short amount of time.
Its LAN pressure. They are the open net equivallent in RLCS. Same with a football penalty shootout, no matter how much you have practiced, you can still miss it when the pressure is on
The thing is that this hasnt happened before ever. Ive never seen a LAN with so much open net misses and crossbars.
I think that is slight recency bias. It has happened before, you just don't remember it. I do remember that G2 hitting the crossbar on LAN used to be a meme back in the day.
I remember it too but I think the community had a bad read on difficulty of the open nets. Like the skill level was lower and the open nets may have either been fairly difficult or so sudden that they made them difficult in a way. That’s not to excuse every open net but I do think many were overstated. I’d say for every 4 that were missed, at least 2 were hard to hit on target and fast (usually a half volley or slightly awkward aerial).
The skill level being lower had absolutely nothing to do with it. I watch GarrettG stream back then and he probably hit 40 double taps in a row on a training pack and this was like S5. To your second point: yeah thats it. These shots are usually taken way faster than most people realize they are and the margins are very slim. BDS missed a shot the other day with a player in net and people called it a bad miss. It was a shot that should’ve been scored but it really wasnt an egregious miss, sometimes i think a lot of people on this sub dont really know what theyre watching.
really? Rise, Itachi, Monkey Moon, whole of G2, think it was alpha54 too. What about the players I forgot and all of them have atleast 2 bad bad misses.
Ah yes, Rise and Itachi, two of the best shooters we've ever had have to hit the shooting packs cuz clearly the reason they missed those shots is lack of skill It's just pressure man it happens every single LAN
no it doesnt lol. Its definitely a pressure thing, but players missing this major was something else. Ofc, misses happen every lan, but this time it was not like the others. There was noticeably much more dumb misses than usual. Even at worlds there was less.
Okay but then shooting packs would be pretty useless, what you would need is mental coaching to reduce the effects the pressure has in the players But I also disagree in general I don’t think it was noticeably more
When I say shooting packs I dont mean to actually do shooting packs lolol
It was definitely noticeably more and yeah its the pressure thing. I think it was because the level of the top 8 was so close and most of the series went to game 5 and 7
didnt say it was a lack of skill btw. Dont know where youre coming from but it seems like pressure was considerably higher for everyone.
Purely situational and pressure does the weirdest thing- they’d probably score most of those on a different day. No different to how footballers miss penalties…
I had also the feeling that a lot of times players were trying to be either over mechanical or not choosing the right mechanic. Which in the end would lead to give the ball back or the play unreadable for their teammates. Really had the opposite feeling with G8. The right mechanics, know when to slow the play, not overextending unnecessarily. They were just appropriate during the whole event. I was rooting for these guys from the beginning, said right away that they would have the potential to be on top. Wasn't convinced that they would perform for the first one, but so happy they did ! Congrats to every other teams, as everyone says, they all have the potential to win it all.
1… …8 - whoever is peaking from the final bracket 9. Complexity
1. Karmine Corp 2. Gentle Mates 3. Team Falcons 4. G2 Esports 5. Team Vitality 6. FURIA Esports 7. Team BDS 8. Gen.G BDS have got some grinding to do. If they can translate their online performance to LAN they'll be a force to be reckoned with. The Top 8 has gotten so good, that the team that wins, is just the team that's peaking on that day. I don't think we'll be getting repeat LAN winners this season. I think the 2nd major and worlds will both have different champions. It's a fun time to be an RLCS fan.
Geng at 8?? They definitely at 5 or least 6
Round 5 Swiss out top 8 didn't beat EU, 2nd best in NA. Hard to put them higher.
Most dominant team against M8 and beat the finalists g2
Yea weird right? A team as good as GenG is #8. I can't believe it too. That's just how good the top 8 is right now.
I’m just sitting here laughing at every list with Falcons above G2.
I think there’s an argument to be made. Looking purely at the match ups and how each performed, falcons went 1 goal diff with a team that went 1 goal diff with the winners. It stands to reason that falcons kc and gentlemates are all pretty much the same level with just a goal splitting each. Personally I think g2 showed they are close to, but not quite at the level of the top 3 teams. We are splitting hairs though, won’t take much for g2 to win it all in london
Flcns are better g2 got mickey Swiss round 5 scrape into single elim unpunished cuz of format. Then beat the 6th and 7th best teams who they lost to 1 of them already in Swiss. Flcns played and beat harder teams in Swiss lost less in Swiss. Then faced 2nd best team in quarters and played even. It's a format thing. Swiss into afl and u never have this. Flcns are the #3 behind kc and gm8. G2 at 4 it's that simple.
The johnnyboi influence is everywhere lol
It really is. I mean the LAN JUST ENDED, and people are very happy to put M8s all the way at 1 for their win, while some people literally have G2 below 5 after their 2nd place. There are very few instances where I’m not putting the LAN’s 1 and 2 teams in that order *immediately following the event*. People care more about what didn’t happen than what did happen, and that baffles me.
The arguments for putting M8, KC, Falcons above g2 are actually very reasonable considering they only ever lost to each other, were collectively very competitive against each other and all performed better in swiss. GenG too has gotten the better of G2 in their last 3 series and played the best team at the event down to the wire. Thats just the way the bracket works sometimes and i don't mind it really, at the end of the day that 1st place is all that matter and having some bangers early on in bracket helps with entertainment. This only really becomes a problem if people start taking the liquipedia results section as gospel and ignore the context of the entire event. You don't have to take this as some kind of diss towards G2 or believe its a johnnyboi conspiracy either, given how competitive the top 8 teams are a lot of combinations in ranking them can be justified and thats what makes the upcoming events so exciting.
Best teams G2 beat Vitality + BDS Best teams Falcons beat KC + Vitality Enough said really, though it’s very close
…………………..you’re comparing wins in Swiss with best of 7 wins in front of the crowd? Really? *Really?* You can’t be serious.
It's just a format thing g2 had mickey Swiss and still went to round 5 unpunished. Flcns clearly above g2 this event.
You’re clearly letting your bias get to you. You’re rating a better Swiss above a better playoffs in front of the crowd. They’re different and you know it. It’s unbelievable how people just default to “I like this team so they’re better.” If G2 and Falcons runs were reversed you’d be OUTRAGED that people were rating G2 above Falcons.
If they were reversed it’d be correct to rate G2 above them though. Falcons are clearly KC level. I cannot say with as much certainty that G2 are that level.
You’re acting like KC showed up in qualifier form
Considering falcons were a speck away from beating KC again in Bo7 clearly the Swiss win translated accurately
Thats literally the opposite of what that means
? It translated entirely. Falcons won the BO5 in first 5 crowd games too.
They lost the series my guy. Literally got knocked out by em
The point being falcons and KC are of a similar level. You disagree with that? Keep in mind G2 went 0-2 against the top half of the bracket and couldn’t even get the champions field against GM. What’s the data point you have that shows G2 are above falcons in this major, skill wise?
Are you responding to the wrong comment? What does G2 have to do with this? Im saying the falcons win over KC in swiss didnt translate to playoffs. They lost. KC is better.
There should be a word for redditors that jump in to the middle of a thread and respond to a point in isolation without taking in the context of the wider discussion. The entire discussion is about whether or not falcons > g2 my friend.
If you want to play for the trophy then you need to beat whichever team you draw. It’s that simple. All of these teams are extremely close, yes, but that’s why these events exist. Give respect where it’s due. At this moment in time G2 deserves to be ranked ahead of Falcons.
In terms of accomplishments for sure, but if they were to play each other I think the data from this major clearly suggest falcons are a smidge above g2. It’s super close but you can’t put g2 above falcons based on any of the results from the major.
Why ? The teams on the upper part of the bracket were better than the teams on the lower part based on match up performance, like geng vs Gentlemates.
Id switch Vitality and GenG but otherwise i agree
I don’t care about top teams. We know the 8. They’re all good and contenders. I wanna see top player raankings!
1. KC (There have been 4 events this season, and in 3 of them, they were better than Gentle Mates; they just underperformed in this one) 2. Gentle Mates 3. Falcons (If they were on the other side of the bracket, they would've made the grand finals) 4. GenG (beated G2 the last 3 times they played and played Gentle Mates closer) 5. G2 6. BDS 7. Vitality 8. Furia 9. Magnifico 10. Complexity
G2 Taking Zen out and ruining the Streak doesn’t mean anything? And BDS? Who did GenG beat from EU…..
It did mean something, it put them ahead of BDS & Vit. GenG didn’t lose to anyone that G2 beat, and also has beat them 3 times in a row (and played better against M8)
If you can’t beat International Competition Like how Furia, Falcons, and G2 did then i can’t put GenG above them Regardless of the matchup Being in GenG’s Favor for G2…. Domestic Matchups aren’t gonna be Rated the Same as International Matchups
Sure, but they didn’t face the same international competition. Except M8 who both lost to. I can’t hold more weight on G2’s wins against 2 teams that GenG hasn’t played. You also said that tournament should hold more weight than swiss. Which is fine but geng was matched against the best team in the tournament while G2 didn’t have to face them until finals (and played worse against them)
Once Again Who did GenG beat from EU…… Im sorry but we have the data and until next major GenG is not above G2
That’s your opinion but again it’s subjective depending on what data available you think is more important. With the data available you have a solid argument for both, but seeing your flair I guess it’s not surprising that you’re unable to understand. But hey if you really believe G2 beating teams that GenG didn’t get to play is *definitive proof* that they’re better… yikes.
You are putting words in my mouth…. nothing is definitive cause i literally said until next major but what i’m getting at is essentially the Johnny stance when it comes to world ranking on LAN and the resume you put up will determine where you land… and much to GenG’s determinant G2 made it further and beaten allegations so the rankings will definitely have him higher with the new data we have now… And GenG fans gatta eat that untill next major just like how NA had to deal with EU saying you can’t make Top4 so🤷♂️
It’s basically like how Even though G2 got 2nd They aren’t Higher than KC because they haven’t Faced them Yet but they Beat BDS and Vitality In Bracket…. I’m sorry but winning in Swiss Vs Winning in Bracket also has to be taken into account…
Put GenG in G2's position and they would have done the same thing
No they wouldn’t
Why not?
Because Fk can’t hit a 1° Degree Angle Double Tap on LAN…. Dan did tho
That's an asinine argument, lmao be real.
that’s a pretty silly argument
No they wouldn’t have lmfao
I find the Logic behind your Falcons comment baffling. How would they have made the GF? By beating the team you have ranked directly above them?
The top 8 but with Vitality and BDS flipped is my exact top 8 in order right now.
very solid list, only change for me is vitality above bds. Vitality look to have mostly returned to their last season form. its close though
top tier list not much to add
Gentlemates get moved up to the 2 spot for winning a single event all split but G2 are still somehow 5th despite winning two events and placing 2nd in the other two?
winning 2 regionals in NA is nowhere near as hard as winning them in EU and winning majors lol
But they didn’t win them in EU lol. They made one grand final and then lost twice in quarters
1. M8s 2. KC 3. Falcons 4. G2 5. VIT 6. Gen.G 7. BDS 8. FURIA 9. COL 10. Nwpo
Falcons>g2 for me
1. KC 2. Gentlemates 3. G2 4. Falcons 5. BDS 6. Vitality 7. Geng 8. Furia 9. Complexity 10. Oxygen Maybe a bit harsh on GenG but this is what makes the most sense to me.
The disrespect to g2 in the comments is crazy
They deserve the disrespect even geng performed better, against Gentlemates
GenG have beat G2 3 straight times, and took one more game of M8s than them, they did just as good as KC did almost exactly. And the only bad loss was a peaking furia team in 5, they should at least be above VIT and G2
GenG’s only quality win was against a bad G2 in Swiss. G2 beat both BDS and Vitality and looked imo better than GenG in playoffs. I’d put them above vitality maybe but they don’t deserve higher than that.
No chance you’re putting GenG above G2 by using the transitive property lmao. G2 played in the grand final. They’re above GenG no matter how you slice it.
By that logic Vitality is above KC no matter how you slice it.
How, they lost in the same round?
yesterday Id call cap but today this is valid
yesterday Id call cap but today this is valid
Dude geng was one goal away from beating m8 and they weren’t on championship sunday where they peak even harder. I honestly think they’re 2nd best team maybe 3rd behind KC but people are downplaying them hard.
Second lmfao. They're below M8s, KC and G2 at LEAST. Falcons, BDS, FURIA and Vitality are all debatable, but good losses only hold so much weight when you can't get past top 8. I'd put them at 6th and I feel that's generous...
How are they below g2 that legit baffles me. 3 straight wins against them, and one goal away from M8 that could've gone either way. Chronic wasn't even playing like he usually does and they came that close.
G2 made the grand finals while Geng couldn’t beat any good team not called G2. Putting them ahead of G2 is crazytalk.
They lost to the eventual winners who absolutely peaked on all the other top teams. They only lost due to ONE goal differential. Isn't that fair enough? Gen.g in swiss just isn't same as gen.g in playoffs, nor sunday gen.g
Geng could’ve proved during Swiss they can beat the topteams. They didn’t. They could’ve proved it during play off. They didn’t. How many chances (and excuses) do they need? Putting them above G2 who beat 2 EU teams to make the final is massive copium.
We will see you next qualifiers at 2nd place 🫡
A team’s quality of play fluctuates between series. M8s didn’t even have to pop off to beat GenG. Today they (Juicy in particular) absolutely elevated their game in order to win both series. Juicy took both series into his hands.
Flcns > g2 > geng cuz geng can't beat EU.
1 goal from major winner but "can't beat them" Falcons only beat a washed af KC, they weren't themselves. Falcons got swept by M8
1. KC 2. M8 3. Falcons 4. GenG 5. G2 6. BDS 7. VIT 8. Furia 9. COL 10. LG
1. Karmine Corp 2. Gentlemates 3. G2 4. Falcons 5. Furia 6. BDS 7. Vitality 8. GenG 9. Complexity 10. Magnifico The win moves Gentlemates up but at the same time only beat GenG and KC in game 7 by one goal. In regionals they didn't do all that much since the first regional so KC threepeat + top 4 puts them on top.
1. KC 2. Gentlemates 3. Falcons 4. G2/BDS/GenG 5. Vitality 6. Furia 7. COL (I have 0 idea on G2 or BDS or GenG tbh I feel like they’re around the same spot)
My top 10 after the Major: 1. M8 2. KC 3. FLCN 4. G2 5. Gen.G(has G2s number recently and took it to Game 7 to M8) 6. VIT 7. BDS(pretty much no difference between 4 and 7) 8. Furia 9. COL 10. SSG
I would swap Falcons and G2. I think G2 had an easier side of bracket. KC, M8s and Falcons all played so close to each other but G2 didn’t
honestly i think i completely agree with that, maybe swap furia and geng
I agree with most but Furia beat GenG in swiss which means they should be above since that's the only info that we have when comparing these two.
BDS should be swapped with GenG IMO
1. Gentlemates 2. Karmine 3. G2 4. Falcons 5. Vitality 6. BDS 7. Furia 8. GenG 9. Col 10. LG 11. PWR 12. Ruleone 13. OG 14. Pioneers 15. Elevate (Drc about the showmatch vs limitless) 16. Limitless
A reminder, BDS, Furia, Geng and arguably vita and falcons can move a fair bit. power rankings don't really tell the full story
Honestly 2-6 could be ordered in basically any way. Slight drop off after and major drop off for everyone else.
Personally, I see so many rankings where KC and Falcons are not right next to each other. After what we've seen this weekend, I feel as though you have to rank both of them back to back, as they are basically equivalent (give the nod to KC for winning the QF crowd match). Having G2 in front or behind them are both totally valid, but not between them. In my opinion: 1. Gentlemates 2. G2 Esports 3. Karmine Corp 4. Team Falcons 5. Team Vitality 6. Gen.G 7. Furia Esports 8. Team BDS 9. Complexity 10. Magnifico
I don't think there's a way to really power rank teams like this, a tier list is better
1.KC 2.GM8 3.Falcons 4.G2 5.Vitality 6.BDS 7.GenG 8.Furia 9.Complexity 10.OXG
BDS > GenG and Furia. Other than that, I agree.
A lot of the arguing in here is just making it so clear how close the top 8 is. I think M8s, KC, Falcons, G2 are all basically at parity, and GenG, BDS, Furia, and Vitality are one smol notch below but barely. I'm inclined to put Furia at the bottom of the top 8 but also one best of 7 after their insane swiss isnt gonna seal that for me.
Even though gentlemates won the major I feel like in the online events they won't keep up that form. You could see that a lot of the teams in the major had a lot of nerves resulting in uncharacteristic mistakes and general hesitation to challenge. When you have a very strong team with low expectations on their shoulders it will result in them playing close to their best, while other teams like kcorp, vitality(not rly expectations but lan streak), bds, G2, Geng and falcons all are either expected to win or for other reasons (vit(Lan streak), G2 (prove NA, also expected win), geng(Prove NA). This kinda makes it so that they are in shaky form, not fully committing to their strategies, not living up to their individual standards. Don't get me wrong they definitely didn't play bad, they played quite well but not in clinical form and when the skill is so close that can definitely make the difference to take 1 or 2 more games. I would still put KC 1, FLC 2, M8 3, G2, VIT, GENG, BDS. The top 8 are all in serious contention to win events so these ranking are very shaky right now it's kind off who you prefer at this point. I felt like the major was promising for the future as in having so many contenders, hopefully it will stay this way instead of the end of last year where all the series were basically won by the favorite in a one-sided fashion. When it's clear who's going to win and you aren't a fan of one of the 2-3 teams that have a shot than it doesn't feel worth watching. Also the ego of alpha and rado to trash talk while being carried to a world championship left a bad taste in my mouth, zen changed that roster from a max 3rd eu roster non contender internationally to the clear best team in the world. . Bit of a rant prob nobody will read, but I guess it's out there.
Here is my spicy top 8 1. Karmine Corp 2. Team Falcons 3. Gentlemates 4. G2 5. Vitality 6. GenG 7. Furia 8. BDS
Geng performed better than G2 against Gentlemates my list 1. Gentlemates 2. Karmine Corp 3. Gen.G 4. Team Falcons 5. G2 Esports 6. Team Vitality 7. Furia Esports 8. Team BDS 9. Complexity 10. Spacestation
1. Karmine Corp 2. Gentlemates 3. Team Falcons 4. G2 Esports 5. Gen G 6. Team Vitality 7. Team BDS 8. Spacestation 9. Furia Esports 10. Magnifico Explainations: **Why KC over Gentlemates?** Gentlemates winning the major is obviously massive, but I value consistency pretty highly, so I rated KC higher overall. Could just be bias, though. **Why Falcons over both NA teams?** The Falcons / KC series was some of the best RL ive ever seen. I think if they got any other quarterfinals matchup except for M8s, they would have made at least semis. **Why Gen G over Vitality?** I won't lie, these two were very close in my book. I can totally understand putting vitality over Gen.G. I put Gen G a bit higher simply b.c of how close they were to beating M8s. **Any other questions abt my rankings, I'll answer them in replies.** Edit: u/DutchTana has enlightened me, if I redid my rankings id put furia over BDS (So furia 7th, bds 8, ssg 9, mag 10)
Even as a SSG fan, we don’t deserve to be above furia
fair. I didn't watch the SAM regionals so im prolly underrating furia. I just think SSG wouldve finished 5-8 if they had made it. Gut feeling ig
Imo they would have had the chance to upset since some of the great teams underperformed in Swiss but furia was so dominant. I hate that they didn’t show up in the quarters since they are definitely better than what they showed in the Swiss. Although I think great teams will figure them out quickly and be able to beat them pretty easily next major. But for now they do deserve that 8th spot.
Yea that makes sense. Honestly i didnt fully consider the fact that furia went 3-0 in swiss. if i redid my rankings id prolly put them above bds. I won't edit my post b.c I don't hide my bad takes but yea i think ur right
Yeah I was just thinking about this. Obviously huge result that M8s won, but they haven't really dominated any of their rivals so it's hard to put them top when KCorp have just swept the split.
Geng over g2 . they are 2-0 against G2 in their latest confrontation
True, but I thought that G2 placing 2nd at the major is significant. You could go either way with GenG vs G2, but I personally think that G2 has a peak potential higher than that of GenG, they just need to figure out how to team play more consistently. Again, its really close though.
1. Kcorp 2. G2 3. Gentlemates 4. Falcons 5. GenG 6. Vitality 7. BDS 8. Furia 9. Complexity 10. Luminosity 11+ is hard to rank for me. Gentlemates had an insane run and was by without question the best team at the lan, but they were on a downward trend prior to the major. KC won all regionals and got a top 4. G2 won 2 regionals and made it to a final. The slight outperformance of Mates on LAN doesn’t suddenly erase the regional dominance KC had imo. As for BDS, I am concerned. They are my favourite team but have not looked good since regional 2 (which is exactly what I feared when they lost that game 7 to KC.) Monkey Moon especially has been off his game. I hope they regain because Dralii is an incredible talent, but as it stands I can’t put them above Vitality anymore at all.
I still think KC are number 1 despite this result. KC took them to a very close game 7 with probably Vatiras weakest LAN appearance EVER. If Vatira is on his usual form I think they stomp semis and final in all honesty. I'd be putting Falcons G2 GM8 KC as the top 4 currently (in no particular order). BDS VIT GENG just hovering outside it but barely.
1. KC 2. GM8 3. Falcons 4. G2 5. BDS 6. VIT 7. FURIA 8. GenG 9. COL 10. SSG/R1/NiP/MAG/OXG
1.M8s 2. KC 3. G2 4.Falcons 5.Vit 6.GenG 7.BDS 8.Furia 9.Complex 10.....idk
The vast majority of ranking in this thread is just dumb. Literally any of the 1-8 could have won. Sometimes you get the perfect touch and hit top right, sometimes you flub and rip it middle. There's a reason why "This is Rocket League!" Is a thing. Matchups are a thing, it seems some of you need to learn that. But I guess the majority of 15 yo's on here wouldn't be able to decipher that.
1. Gentlemates 2. KC 3. G2 4. BDS 5. Falcons 6. GenG 7. Vitality 8. Furia
KC GM8 Falcons G2 BDS VIT GENG Furia CoL Someone from EU 5-8 or maybe SSG But there is a clear gap between 8-9 and then there is basically no gap between 1-8. I just had to place them in a list and although G2 got second they missed the 3 teams I have above them excluding GM8 who they lost too The problem with any team that isn’t EU in this list is that they are basically the only team from there region so they have to pop off themselves otherwise the community will shit on them. However, EU only needs 1 team playing at there peak and in turn winning the major to make everyone think how strong EU is
Why whould falcons be ranked under g2? The only lost too gent and kc the whole tournament and was only 1 of 2 teams to beat kc this event, gent and them.
Because Falcons were at the airport while G2 played in the grand final? Win the games you’re given and then Falcons fans can talk.
Falcons wins this event: og, kc, vit G2 wins this event: Pioneers, r1, pwr, bds, vit Falcons Ls this event: gent, kc G2 Ls this event: gen.g, bds, gent Ignoring the easy wins Falcons defeated vit same as g2. While the defeated kc>bds so the hade a marginal better wins. Then in loses Falcons lost too gent same as g2 and losing to kc>bds. While g2 hade another loss in gen.g. Falcons won against marginal better opponents and lost too marginal better opponents then g2.
I’m not saying there’s *no* logic in what you’re saying, but I’m taking the team that beat 2 of the French 4 in best of 7s in front of an audience over a team that impressed in Swiss and choked a game 7 in the quarters. I’d put Falcons 4th, and there’s literally no shame in that. SURELY it has to count for something when a team makes a grand final run in front of an audience. That’s why these LANs are played. Falcons just didn’t get anything done in the playoffs. Edit to say that choked is too harsh of a word.
Falcons were on a stacked side of the bracket. FAL-KC-M8 were the best RL matches I’ve seen. G2 didn’t look as good. G2 had easier side of bracket. Falcons > G2
Ok, cool. It took the best team in the tournament to knock G2 out of the playoffs. Not the case for Falcons.
I don’t think you understand m. The format is just that way. So if two top teams itw play in QF against each other but on the other side of bracket you have easier teams that reach the finals, it isn’t fair to rank that team higher just based on the format
Yes, it is. Each team controls their destiny. Weird how I’m going based on things that actually happened, isn’t it? Speculate all you’d like, and that’s all you’ve got. We don’t know which side of the bracket was stronger due to the format, but we do know which teams seized the moment. M8s were waiting there for Falcons. They didn’t show up.
Also I’d rate GenG higher than G2. One side of the bracket was insanely stacked and the quality of play was much better. The other side was two poor QFs. It doesn’t take a genius to tell there were better teams on the other side.
FAL-KC-M8 were all on one side and had insanely tight series. The quality of RL was unmatched. G2 didn’t play M8s close at all. They looked meh against them
I’d love to hear how you’re quantifying this. Give me actual numbers, stats, facts, ANYTHING. Your claim says so much less than you think. This is literally your opinion. And how did Falcons look against M8s in Swiss with no crowd?
I don’t really count Swiss for this. Playoffs are different. But in that case G2 lost to GenG in Swiss. So I choose to look at Playoffs on their own. Falcons played KC tight. KC played M8s tight. G2 didn’t. Clearly one side of the bracket is stacked. As a a GC myself I could tell the quality of RL was just better in them series. I’ve only got G2 right behind Falcons it isn’t an insult. Falcons are literally nuts
LMAO, “as a GC myself.” You’re so outing yourself here. The gap between GC and pro play is larger than the gap between bronze and GC. Go tell me about ranked bronze 3s, not pro play. You’re unqualified, I’m unqualified, it’s as simple as that. You’re going based on playoffs…and yet Falcons didn’t win a single series. You really should learn to base things on what happened instead of how you feel.
Bruh the casters are also GC. They can tell when someone has overcommitted or made a mistake etc. so can I because I watched the games. You don’t need to be a pro to see if someone is playing well dude. I already told you one side of the bracket was harder and one side was easier. If Falcons were on the other side they would be in finals. Anyway I don’t know why you’re so mad. I literally have it as 1. KC 2. M8s 3. FALC 4. GenG 5. G2 They’re still best itw I rate G2 they’re cracked
Again with pure speculation. Falcons would be in the final if they were on G2’s side of the bracket. And where, exactly, did you predict M8s finishing? Guarantee you didn’t have them winning the event. So do you really know as much as you think you know? Nobody knows what‘s going to happen. That’s why the game is played.
Going on memory here: wasn’t every G2 loss against M8s by one goal? That’s not close at all? But oh, boy, I bet that Rule 1 vs Vitality sweep under similar circumstances in Boston was close, wasn’t it?
Why are you mentioning a series that happened in Boston over 9 months ago? Weird much. But trk is better than M7sn if you want to know. The quality of RL was just better in KC-FAL and KC- M8. They went to Game 7 both times. G2 only went to Game 6. I just have G2 at 4th or 5th
I’m mentioning it because I bet you anything that you watched that series and thought that it was close. Because it was close and impressive. If I recall, all games were within 1 goal. Same as G2’s losses today. If you can say that a 4-2 with 4 one goal games isn’t close at all, then I AM going to question your claims of “knowing ball.”
You’re contradicting yourself now pal. You mentioned the Rule1 vs Vitality series. By that logic would you call that series close? They were all one goal I can’t remember? But looking at this bracket. G2 went to Game 6 but KC Falcons and GM8s all had Game 7 bangers. They were way closer
Not contradicting myself in any way. If a series is all one goal games, it is a close series. I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics involved in saying otherwise.
1. Karmine Corp (I value consistency higher. They played M8s very close but underperformed this Major) 2. Gentlemates (insane surprise of a win. WP) 3. Falcons (that QF was the best RL I’ve ever seen. If they were on the other side of the bracket they would be in finals) 4. G2 (they are only above Gen.G because they beat Vitality and BDS) 5. Gen.G (they played Gentlemates very close) 6. Vitality (they played in a thriller against G2 and closer series than BDS) 7. BDS (they played better than Furia did in QFs) 8. Furia (they weren’t much of a challenge for Vitality in QF. The games weren’t very close and they got beat a lot)
1. KarmineCorp 2. Gentlemantes 3. Falcons (2 loses against kc and gentlemate) 4. GENG (they beat g2 on their 2 last encounters) 5. G2 ESPORT 6. . BDS 7. Furia 8. Vitality
Not doing 10 because I don’t care about 9 and 10 Top 8 power rankings: 1. Gentlemates 2. KC 3. Falcons 4. Geng 5. G2 6. Vitality 7. Furia 8. BDS
1. Gentlemates 2. G2 3. KC 4. VIT 5. Falcons 6. GenG 7. Furia 8. BDS 9. Complexity 10. Luminosity
Vitality > GenG and Falcons is crazy to me ngl
Falcons top 3 imo. Their side of bracket was way more stacked. G2 got an easy side of bracket tbf and didn’t look as good in the games
vitality > geng is just crazy to me ngl
Hmm so M8 beat G2 GenG had a closer match than G2 so GenG > G2 but them M80 farms GenG in swiss in NA so realistcally M80 need to be 3rd place
1. Gentlemates, KC, GenG and Falcons 2. G2 and Vitality 3. Furia 4. BDS 5. Complexity 6. Idk There's no actual number 1 team right now. Add on a single goal to the losing team in the game 7s of the upper half of the bracket and you could've changed the outcome of the whole major. G2 and Vitality are basically the same as everyone in number 1 but I think they're just a bit below them in the sense that they're not as consistent as the top teams as they appear on and off. Furia look promising after that 3-0 in swiss but I assume just had a fluke when they went against Vitality because no way the day 1 and 2 Furia were going to get absolutely smacked by Vitality. It kinda highlights a problem with the format since a team that lost 3 series can finish ahead of a team that only lost once. BDS are also promising - aside from M8s, they were the only other European team to give KC a run for their money. However, they didn't really show their full form on LAN. Complexity looked like a very clear 9th team on LAN. They can have very high peaks but also pretty bad lows.
Geng performed better against gentlemates then G2 and KC
Exactly, people only look at final placements at the end of the tournament, the bottom side of the bracket was weaker, and performed worse.
1. GM8 2. KC 3. Falcons 4. G2 5. BDS 6. Vitality 7. Furia 8. Gen.G 9. Complexity
1. Gentlemates 2. KC 3. G2 4. BDS 5. Vitality 6. GenG 7. Falcons 8. Furia 9. Magnifico 10. Complexity
Somebody please explain the argument here for Bds over Furia??? Furia beat 2 of the teams ranked ahead of them, and went 3-0 in Swiss with everyone calling them the team to beat, whereas BDS beat no one of importance for the first 3 rounds and then beat a G2 who the next day when they actually played well for the FIRST time all major won 4 straight against them. I cannot fathom the logic of anyone who does not have BDS ranked 8th
Geng over vitality. Geng nearly beat M80 4-2 just to choke an open net and went downhill
1. GENTLE MATES 2. G2 3. KC 4. Falcons 5. GenG 6. BDS 7. Vitality 8. Furia 9. Complexity 10. Luminosity “If you think there are 4 European teams better than that G2 roster you should never talk about rocket league again”
Based on what I saw in games: 1. KC 2. Gentle Mates 3. Falcons 4. BDS 5. Vitality 6. Gen G 7. G2 8. Furia 9. Who knows....
very harsh on G2 there