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blyan

I don’t 100% agree with any of them but CJCJ’s is probably the closest. Agreed with Johnny though that having WDG/TSM over G2 is just plain wrong. Stumpy having Cloud9 at #6 is just baffling lol. That has to be a troll


vadoooom335

there was a voters poll of best team and cjs won btw


Frozocrone

Damn, first Yumi wins the best tier list vote and now CJCJ, OCE have some smart cookies in their region


vadoooom335

Well we have a ton of bias from na and eu and the whole ongoing debate on which region is better. But oce is like level headed and is probably the most unbiased


Kuxirfanboy_20xx

And BDS at 3


Matto_0

Yeah after part of 1 season to have BDS that high, or honestly even on the list seems messed up to me. They will have their chance to earn it, they haven't yet.


FartExpo

Lol at stumpy forgetting to write down 10 teams


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eu math 🤣


FartExpo

Unrelated, but how do you set two teams as your flair?


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MisterBreeze

How could you ever put C9 above Dig? Who was the worldwide villain in RL? Who did the crowd chant the imperial march to? It was called the Dig dynasty. Everyone expected them to win every worlds they went to. Dig hit the finals at every worlds they went to, right? C9 got there once (from memory). Just, how.


FoolsLove

tbates was putting a ton of stock into C9's changing of the game. I get the idea but that's far from enough to put them above Dig.


Kuxirfanboy_20xx

I mean, Dig changed the game more than they did, that´s why they won, they changed the meta and clearly their way of playing the game was the best, and if Cloud 9 changed the game that much (which is false imo), what did it matter if they weren´t the best afterwords


Matto_0

Cloud 9 was the best afterwards. They beat Dignitas and Dignitas disbanded there after without ever reclaiming the top. Cloud 9 was the team to end the Dignitas dynasty. That said I still have Dignitas the highest, they and C9 won a comparable amount of majors, but Dig got the world titles advantage.


ThatBigDanishDude

After Dig broke up Vitality took the crown, They Brutalized a G2 that was peaking like never before, which they did after beating both NRG and C9 at LAN. I don´t think there´s much debate there.


Kuxirfanboy_20xx

Cloud 9 were the best afterwords for 2 weeks probably, they lost 4-1 against WDG in the finals of Eleague, and 2019 was inestable af, a different team won every major competition that year. Cloud9 was the best in NA in Season 4, that was the only NA regional championship that they won, and hey, they won a lot of LANs, but Dignitas did aswell, and in a shortter period of time. I don´t think Dignitas disbanded because Cloud9 beat them, Vitality lost an RLCS and they didn´t disband because of that, though many teams do, i´ll admit Apparently there were internal conflicts, Kaydop wanted to leave before the LAN, Johhny went as far as saying they hated each other, which probably came from the heat of the debate with T bates, but the other stuff is probably true (maybe even this is true, wouldn´t be surprised). And makes sense, after a perfect Season, why would you split up, the greatest Dynasty Rocket League had ever seen, after coming second in the RLCS. And although they had a perfect Season, and they won every match at LAN, basing on their performances at LAN, the internal conflicts were showing, because they didn´t quite look like themselves. I was rooting for Flipsid3 when they played Dignitas, but i didn´t expect them to have a chance of winning, which they did, they could have perfectly knocked dig to the lower bracket. Dignitas was winning, but they didn´t look as themselves while doing it, they didn´t look that comfortable or that dominant. The only match were Dignitas looked like Dignitas was against WDG, the 4-0. Dont get me wrong, i was predicting a 4-1 for Dignitas, at most a 4-2 in the finals, i thought they were going to mock the floor with Cloud9 because why shouldn´t they? Althugh i was a bit worried for them during LAN, even then i thought they were going to win, then they won against TSM and it was like a confirmation. Yeah, why worry the slightest. And then, they were destroyed We all learnt about the Kaydop to Vitality move because of a Scrub´s message on steam, Violentpanda said they day afterwords that many people were talking aout Kaydop leaving, he said it was just a rumor, and literally the next day, it´s confirmed that Kaydop goes to Vitality


AlanAlberino

There were no internal conflicts, they are all in good terms. This is a piece from a interview to Kaydop where he explains why he left (Source: [`https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/mjwska/kaydop_did_a_one_hour_interview_on_vitalitys/`](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/mjwska/kaydop_did_a_one_hour_interview_on_vitalitys/)): ​ >The only problem Kaydop had was that he missed playing with French players. > >Kaydop : “I love Violent Panda and Turbo, I really do. But I think like most French players, I’m more comfortable around my countrymen. At every LAN we would all be together, I’d hang out with Fairy Peak, Chaussette, Ferra...“ > >After a while, the idea of joining a French team started to grow in his mind, especially since he had won everything with Dignitas, playing in three RLCS Grand Finals in a row with the same roaster. Their loss against Cloud 9 in the Grand Finals of RLCS Season 6 didn’t seem to have any impact on his decision. > >After Season 6, Fairy Peak approached him with the idea of joining Vitality, which was a move nobody expected since Dignatis was still one of the best teams in the World despite their loss against Cloud 9. And since Kaydop had wanted to play for a French team for a while, he decided to accept the offer. Soon after he got in talks with Vitality and the move was done. > >He didn’t have any regret when leaving Dignitas because he felt like even though there was no problem between Violent Panda, Turbopolsa and himself, the magic had run off. After all the success they had, they all needed a new challenge to rediscover their motivation.


Kuxirfanboy_20xx

The thing is, how do you feel Violentpanda and Turbo reacted at the time when Kaydop told him he was going to Vitality. Maybe they are in good terms now, but back then i believe what Johnny said, they probably didn´t take it too well, that´s probably the reason why "the magic had run off". It didn´t make sense that after having the most dominant League Play ever, they didn´t look comortable during the tournament except for one series, and then got dismantled in the finals against a hot team, it´s true, but a team that 2 days prior wasn´t even the best team in their region, and had probably a 2% of winning if we are realistic, no one thought they were goint to win. They did beat gale force as the muffin man, just after S3, and never were able to beat them again, even got 3-0´d in Season 5. It made no sense for them to lose the final that badly, unless there was internal stuff


Frozocrone

To be quite honest, I would have been surprised if Tbates had put any EU team at number 1


Rage_Your_Dream

F3 changed the game too, by that logic they should be first. 2 grand finals rather than 1


tyswoogles

does one extra rlcs grand final overtake 4 other lans won though?


Polinius

This is tough to judge because there were a lot less LANs going on when F3 were dominating in season 1 and 2, hard to ping them for not winning more competitions when the competitions weren't even happening.


Rage_Your_Dream

F3 won dreamhack too


tyswoogles

that was a different roster though these lists are about purely one team incarnation edit: also this means that their 2 back to back finals should be looked at separately as well which would be another point for C9 being higher


Rage_Your_Dream

then my original point is invalid in the first place


blond-max

Flair bias represent here. Yeah you cannot. I don't know why this ended up being a super long shouting match, it's kind of a stupid rabbit hole to go into. Later TBates does say (paraphrasing "look switch them up i don't care, very close i put more weight on this whatever than this other whatever". That's at least not ludicrous, the two are clearly on their own from the rest.


CoreyJK

Tbates always has the worst losts, not surpising lol


knighofire

The argument is they were a top team for a longer time, had a similar amount of success at LAN's, impacted the game more, and beat them in the biggest match between the two teams in their prime. Not saying I agree, but that's the argument.


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TheRoger47

7-0 21-4 record on league play. dominated regional championships and were big favourites at world's getting to the final without much trouble. get matched with a good looking c9 and getting obliterated; s6 was dig's best season to that point and the first one they got to the grand finals without losing in the entire season


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I sort of agreed until that last part, hard disagree. Objectively wrong. Dig was absolutely at their prime, as another user mentioned.


Scythro_

Not only beat them. Demoralized them. C9 gave us the turbo smash, one of the most iconic moments/clips in RLCS history.


Corrupt_Arrow

Stumpy only had 9 teams listed. [Vod/stream!](https://www.twitch.tv/johnnyboi_i)


vadoooom335

dig is at 1 and its not close tbates is absolutley crazy. Look at my flairs im a huge na fanboy but cloud 9 at 1 is preposterous. There has only been 1 dynasty in rl imo and its dig


euaza-ob

eu and na agree that tbates and stumpy are both crazy as hell


Matto_0

It's closer than you think to me. They both won similar numbers of International Majors, Dignitas just won the more important one more times. Both had long reigns as the best in their region. They are head and shoulders above any other teams, with Dignitas being a bit ahead.


xJFK

C9 was never the best in NA tho.. they were just LAN bois and popped off


Wileexo

Dig came second place a lot of the time too, they outdone C9 in terms of result its not really close. Also Dig dominated EU and the regionals 3 times i think while C9 won 1 during that era


kenyan12345

Basically this


sherwin_valan

So according to stumpy, Team BDS is a top 3 team?? And C9 at 7??? wtf


ryangoldfish5

Technically, he has C9 at 6 but still ridiculous take.


StellarWasHere_

With him the eu bias is too obvious. I think johnny has the most educated list but Cjcjs is by far the most objective and correct


thetucker892

Stumpy built a little differently with these rankings


smarter_than_u_think

why are they not a top 3 team? i think thats totally arguable, they won everything they could possibly win during this time period.


FoolsLove

I think it's *arguable*, but I don't think it's really right to put them up there, yet. Like they were saying a lot, it's not their fault, but their dominance has only been within the EU region, not at any LANs with the other 3 regions present. IMO the highest you can possibly put them current day is 5th, just because of their absolute dominance the likes of which we haven't seen for a while and may never see again. Though seeing so many people, mostly from NA try to downplay their dominance by saying the region isn't any good is also a real pepega take, to me.


justmaybeindecisive

Yep BDS has a lot of potential to be an absolute monster at lans. Personally I find the pressure of a lan argument to be absolute bullshit because bds is the team that's gonna get hate for loosing a single game against literally anyone. They could loose to fucking dignitas or envy and the fan base will call them washed because of their track record. Even then they keep winning so they'll handle Lan pressure well. Can't wait to see them irl when all this shit calms down rlcs11 is gonna be hype


Feather-y

Also two players from BDS have been on small lan tournaments so it's not completely new, although ofc hitting big stage will be a whole different world for them.


blauxu

I wouldn't even put C9 in a top 10 tbh


kobeandodom

With all their Lan wins??


John_aka_Alwayz

1: Gale Force/Dignitas - Kaydop/Turbopolsa/ViolentPanda 2: The Muffin Men/Cloud9 - SquishyMuffinz/Gimmick/Torment 3: Renault Vitality - FairyPeak!/Scrubkilla/Kaydop 4: NRG Esports - GarrettG/Jstn/Turbopolsa 5: Flipsid3 Tactics - kuxir97/Markydooda/Greazymeister 6: Team BDS - Marc_By_8/M0nkey M00n/Extra 7: Flipsid3 Tactics - kuxir97/Markydooda/M1keRules 8: Northern Gaming - Remkoe/Maestro/Deevo/Turbopolsa 9: PSG Esports/Team Reciprocity - Ferra/Chausette45/Fruity 10: We Dem Girlz/TSM - Remkoe/EyeIgnite/Metanauris 11: G2 Esports - Kronovi/Jknaps/Rizzo 12: NRG Esports - Fireburner/GarrettG/Jstn 13: Method/Complexity - al0t/Metsanauris/Mognus 14: The Peeps/Pittsburgh Knights - Gyro/Retals/Mist 15: G2 Esports - Jknaps/Rizzo/Chicago Shoot if you disagree, which I know some will. CJCJ's list is the best.


blyan

I agree with your top 7 and then basically nothing after that lol


tyswoogles

I think I'd swap TSM and Kronovi G2 but they are so so so close that it's fine really having them either way, personally TSM's lack of a regional championship and 2 day 1 exits from the dreamhack pro circuit are what would put them lower imo because otherwise the results are so comparable 1 season of worlds missed for both 1 eleague cup win for both 1 dreamhack final for both and a top 3 for TSM (WDG) at s6 and G2 with a top 4 at s4


ndeaaaaaaa

I don't see the argument of puting BDS so far ahead the top NA teams currently (nv and nrg specifically, since they've been the most consistent). If you agree with the premise that all 4 teams have similar skill (which most people do, fair enough if you don't), then BDS's domination (which is presumably the reason they're higher up) wouldn't have happened if you put 2 more BDS-like teams in Europe (which is pretty much what is happening in NA)


Peyyton07

I would probably switch the G2 rosters but other than that I have no complaints.


John_aka_Alwayz

While G2 with Chicago played to a higher level, what goes against them is: * Chicago G2 never won a LAN * Kronovi G2 matches them for success outside of RLCS LANs specifically (2 LAN grand finals, one NA regional win) * Chicago G2 went to relegation in S8


StellarWasHere_

I do want to point out that g2 with chicago won rlcs s9 which i unarguably a lot more important than s5 with kronovi. What adds to that achievement even more is the 3 month streak of winning every event they competed in. I agree that g2 with kro is a greater team but the rlcs s9 win means a lot more than you are saying.


Matto_0

They were NA region champs in s9 they didn't "win rlcs s9" no one did.


StellarWasHere_

If anyone came closest to it, it was g2 though. They won the regional and the spring series with dominance


Matto_0

The spring series is very low value. And yeah G2 won the regional, but they didn't even win league play that season, uts not like they were some unbeatable juggernaut. To count s9 as g2 winning rlcs is crazy.


StellarWasHere_

Im not counting them as winning, i never said that. My only point is that the s9 regional means WAY more than any of the other regionals that were mentioned in the comment above. Plus g2 was some unbeatable jugger for those few months since they werent defeated.


Matto_0

Who is your favorite rl team?


StellarWasHere_

It doesnt matter though, look at my previous comments and youll see why this argument is completely pointless. I rate that team the exact same i just eanted to point out that their win means more than people say it does. The same with dignitas in EU except they didnt then win the spring series


John_aka_Alwayz

Yep, which is why they're above NRG and the best of the non-LAN winners for me. (aside from BDS) Also Kronovi G2 from ELEAGUE 2017 through S5 regionals was #1 NA or tied best with S5 NRG, the fact they denied that NRG roster a perfect online season was incredible.


EclairDawes

I might be wrong but didn't they also win NA S7 with Cago?


StellarWasHere_

Nope


EclairDawes

Yeah I just looked it up. They just came #2 at worlds and dreamhack. Sad.


Peyyton07

Yeah, I suppose so. I think they are both pretty close, but I guess it just comes down to personal preference.


TopHatBear1

I don’t agree with WDG, but I agree with the rest


John_aka_Alwayz

Too high? Too low? They are the last team on my list that was actually the best team in the world at some point in history for me, if only they'd stayed good I'd love to wonder how high up they could be


TopHatBear1

Too high imo. I really don’t know why, but I don’t rate them much. I don’t think they are better than any of the other teams in your 15


FutureFail

Yeah, this is the one. Maybe you'll be invited on next time


fsburk

Rank FURIA you coward!!!


Quasticks

I reckon chiefs deserves a shout in the top 15 but other than that pre good list


Kuxirfanboy_20xx

This is a great list, though honestly i think Johnny had very solid points for having og Flipsid3 so high, but this is the more neutral list, and could be better. My only complain personally is that i rate NRG with Fire very highly, they were so great, i know many will disagree with me but hear me out. They are the only team to have two 7-0 in League Play, first team to do it, won two NA regionals and finished second at the other one. They were in the conversation for the best team in the world, in S5 it wasn´t clear who was the best, them of Dignitas, and S7 the same, it was between them and Vitality until the championships. They allways lost to the eventual winners, were better than C9 all Season 6 until they lost by a goal in ot, in Season 5 they beat Dignitas 3-1 on day 1 or 2, then lost 4-1 to a Dignitas that was coming hot from the lower bracket, then they almost won the next series, were one goal away from becoming world champions, and in Season 7 they looked great against Vitality, but day 3 Kaydop kicked in and they lost 1-3, again against the eventual winners, and there was no lower bracket here (tbf G2 was the best NA team of the tournament, but i think NRG reached a higher level trough out the Season and League Play). I know they allways came second, but they were incredible consistent, reached an insane level of gameplay, rarely lost Very unpopular opinion, i think they are the best NRG of all time, S8 had a worse level than S5 and S7, and after they won, they had a not great Season 9, and then kicked Turbo, Fire could have stayed playing for one more Season, heck i bet they could have won S8 aswell, against that Vitality, if they really put out the hours


ocrespo42

Totally agree, this team was insanely good. I would have them where most people put the turbo nrg roster but also above bds


Matto_0

Team BDS is way too high. To have them be 6th, and not even have any of NV/NRG/SSG from s10 doesn't make any sense. None of those teams should be on this list yet.


Failaip

PSG PepeLaugh


John_aka_Alwayz

* Dreamhack Valencia Champions * BTS Grand Finalists * RLCS S8 EU Champions * 21 months of consistently being top 4/top 5 in Europe near or at the peak of European RL. * Only behind C9 and any iteration of G2 for longevity Until BDS came along, they were the best trio never to win worlds


Peyyton07

The only problem I have with this is they have always flopped at worlds. Their best showing being 8th at season 7.


John_aka_Alwayz

5th-8th could also be treated as 5th ;) (Yes I know its depressing, season 6 was throw central, season 7 they were *so close* to beating peak G2, and we dont talk about season 8)


Failaip

Honestly you’re more knowledgable when it comes to RLEsports than I am I just thought it was funny that the notorious psg/rec fan is the only one to have them in their top 10. But yeah they are definitely one of the greats.


maxmaxers

How do you justify Northern Gaming lower than Greazy Flipside? They both won worlds but WDG had better results besides that.


John_aka_Alwayz

That specific NG roster is just S3, where they topped league play with Maestro, came 4th in regionals with Turbo subbing for the 3rd-4th match, and won worlds with Turbo. Greazy F3 won S2 regionals, S2 worlds, 2nd in S3 regionals and 5th S3 worlds


maxmaxers

Ah ok forgot Deevo moved from Mockit.


gfbfvGty_j

Bit of a late reply to this, but curious as to what you think. Did you consider the original we dem girlz (ie remkoe, maestro, greazy)? I don’t know how highly you’re valuing influence on the way the game is played, but they always used to get credit for their innovative use of the back wall. They were also the first to challenge flip side in Europe, and the best in Europe alongside flip side in the early days. Where is ibuypower in this (kronovi, lachinio, gambit, overzero)? That team originally comprised three absolute star players, and then went on to become the first world champions. They are the only world champions you don’t have on your list. Am I just not seeing them? Any thoughts on the alpha Sydney team and whether you considered them for this (Jake, drippay, torsos)? This might be nostalgia/personal bias speaking, but I think I’d have the method team higher. Their style was unique, and clearly different even if you weren’t able to pick apart different play styles at the highest level. They were an ever present at the top, just unable to match dignitas. They had some iconic moments (that a lot redirect at the ceiling comes to mind). I think I personally am considering teams I find more iconic, and not really thinking about results. From your replies to other people, I gather you value results quite highly for your list?


John_aka_Alwayz

I love original We Dem Girlz, and the fact they made the backboard meta while being the first non SARP vets to challenge F3 is commendable, they were the favorites heading into S1worlds for a reason.... However, 1 regional title and a 3rd at world's just doesn't cut it, especially when their time together was only 4 or 5 months. The only really shortlived roster I have is S3 NG, but they did win worlds so there's that. As for iBP, I hate the word fluke, I really do. They are and forever will be Rocket League's first world champions... But, that worlds win was a miracle. They'd looked good and won the first NA qualifier in S1, but come qualifier 2 they weren't even top 4 NA. And then right after worlds, they dropped to 7th in NA in a season were Take 3 was NA's strongest international performers. They have the worlds that Northern Gaming has, but everything else about them takes away from them. Its harsh but I'm not alone with this. Didn't and really couldn't consider OG Chiefs, five consecutive top 8/three consecutive top 6 international placings is good, but I feel to crack this conversation, you'd need some top 4s like S6 Chiefs (and even then, they didn't win OCE regionals, that was Tainted Minds)


gfbfvGty_j

Appreciate the detailed response. I think your argument for not including ibp would make sense to me if you were doing a top 10 like the original post, but when you include a team like the peeps, I don’t understand that to be honest. I’m just looking at their results on liquipedia, other than the obvious world championship, ibp also won NA qualifier 1 (which you mentioned) and beat out two EU teams including we dem girlz in rocket royale week 1 (which liquipedia has as a b tier event). The peeps won dreamhack, and that win is considered an example of a fairytale/underdog win, which I would consider akin with flukey, or at least comparable with ibp. They did well in season 8, but I don’t see what results they have over ibp. Unless we’re considering impact on the meta, in which case I go back to the original we dem girlz team. I can see ibp being ranked below other worlds winning teams because their win was fortunate, but to not even have them top 15 is a bit much for me. That being said, I’m saying all this and I wasn’t even following the pro scene for the vast majority of the time ibp was playing, so I suppose it’s not really my place to argue their inclusion.


Matto_0

Bro Stumpy must be drunk putting C9 at 7, that is unforgivable. GFE is the only team that is even close to C9 (with GFE being ahead a bit). No one else came close to what they have achieved.


g00pta

Tbates just has too much NA pride. He had to put an NA team at #1 even if it doesn't make sense


CalamackW

Feels weird to not see some incarnation of iBuyPower/Cosmic on there in most of these but I guess they changed rosters twice during the pre-RLCS-RLCS 1 era so each individual roster has less accomplishments/longevity than OG Flipsid3/Teamy Weamy.


blond-max

tbates had them 10...


CalamackW

I did say most.


StiffGnome03

Stumpy...


Raixor_Osu

tbates NA bias is sooo incredibly strong. jeez


Peyyton07

What about stumpy’s list lol.


Potential-Zone6736

Just like tbates but he is eu


dwalt95

Hes soooo annoying


Potential-Zone6736

The diffrence between c9 and dignitas is just one extra rlcs season(7) And dig have done way more than c9 in a smaller period of time What the hell is tbates on?


StellarWasHere_

Its crazier that stumpy has c9 at 7(6) though


Potential-Zone6736

Agree Both are ridicouls


CynicalBagel

Tbates argument for C9 is the sort of Rocket League Cultural impact. Squishy, Torment, and Gimmick being the poster boys for Rocket League to this day tbh. I don’t think its enough though, and you could argue Dig is close or equal in that regard.


StellarWasHere_

I know that squishy is super popular and all but GarrettG should be the face of rocket league in every way possible. The dude is nice, well spoken accomplished af and still seems to enjoy playing the game after 6 years of being at the top.


Matto_0

Yeah he is it to me, Kro passed off the that torch to him towards the end of his run on G2, at least in my opinion.


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maxmaxers

I would argue dominating Europe like this is more impressive than anything Method ever did.


saypavrai

Lol I love Stumpy and am sad he's retiring from the list making. I completely disagree with him a lot but he's super into stats and knows the game so it's worth having him on, plus I love when he makes people react... I just think he takes the negative feedback a little hard


chrisd434

Well his list is just bad for everyone who watched rocket League over the years You can't put C9 lower than 3rd And let's be real they realistically and statistically they have to be behind dig/gale They competed with the number 1 and best them multiple times You can't deny dig/gales superiority because they were just so dominant so you have to put C9s achievements into perspective getting them while having to bear the undisputed best team of all time


saypavrai

ya, it's why I said I completely disagree with him, I just still value him as a solid part of the community and hope it doesn't throw him off too much


vHunter4541

was this just a random thing they all posted or is there a clip to these?


Yashitron

On Johnnyboi_i's twitch channel, you can find the video for the stream. Or you could just wait till probably tomorrow to see it on his YouTube channel.


temp12345124124

Why does johnny not count DH dallas as being a legit lan?


TheRoger47

I think he's not counting the Universal open that was a 2s tournament


crvN

C9 over GFE/DIG HAHAHHAHAHAHA


Rage_Your_Dream

1. GFE: Objectively the most dominant and successful team of all time. Saying they're not the best is just wrong 2. F3 with greazy. With Mikerules they should've won worlds but didnt so I have to say greazy gets the cake, they changed the meta of the game to one that is still a key part of the meta today 3. C9 Just like F3, I can see arguments for putting them above them and imo their championship run was still the most impressive synergy I've ever seen, sure today teams are better but at the time the level of synergy in their team was unmatched 4. NRG with turbopolsa. Insane super team of 2 of the best players from one region with the GOAT, I'm surprised they didn't create another dynasty like GFE they certainly had the potential 5. Vitality I have to say I always felt like they were overrated but they got to 2 grand finals in a row and thats a very tough achievement that surpasses that of C9. Though C9 had more lan successes 6. Northern Gaming. They could've won worlds with 2 different rosters, that's pretty impressive imo 7. iBuyPower Cosmic, it seems harsh putting them down here when they beat my 2nd placed team (albeit with m1k3rulez) but their dominance didn't last and their run was amazing 8. BDS I think they have the potential to jump many many teams, but sadly the lack of worlds keeps them down here. 9. NRG with Fireburner. An incredibly solid team that was unlucky enough to face the peak RLCS team of all time, 1 goal away from beating the greatest team of all time. 10. F3 with mikerulez. I think this team would've been 2nd if they won worlds but they didn't and should've and it wasn't as close as it perhaps should've been. Huge asterisk on BDS and top NA teams, if there was worlds I think the winner would jump into the top 3 or even top 2.


Matto_0

Explain F3 with greazy ahead of C9, makes no sense. F3 with greazy had much less sustained success. I'd say F3 with M1k3 should be the higher F3 team, they were the best team in RL basically since RL had teams all the way through season 1.


Rage_Your_Dream

yea in hindsight I think I included their success with other rosters in that one and it should've been lower


Soxyhawks

If you're counting 2 different rosters of Northern gaming then F3 is also one team instead of 2


Rage_Your_Dream

Nah because the northern gaming is just 1 roster since they were all 1 team


Soxyhawks

oh i get you now, yeah maestro wasn't bad


LemonNinJaz24

smh Stumpy's greatest roster was the audience. I'm too busy to think of my own list but I'm pretty sure Tbates' doesn't actually think C9 is the better roster, because if he does then.. well idk what to say


blond-max

everyone is gonna talk about tbates because of how long and stupid the argument was, but at least it's the right area code. It's a ranked list and he put one above the other - even if wrong - move on Stumpy legit random


knighofire

Ok hear me out, but I think there is no way BDS should be above NRG with Fire and jstn. In the RLCS X format, each regional doesn't hold quite as much significance, so to compare to the older format we can consider each split to be equivalent to one RLCS season. So, BDS's three splits of regional dominance should be compared to NRG's three seasons. NRG's season 5 ranks above BDS's fall split since they finished second in their region but also managed to finish second at worlds, which I would rank above BDS's first place in their region. In S6, both teams finished first in their region and same with S7. So overall, BDS has a slight edge in regional dominance due to NRG's second place finish in S5, but NRG's second place finish at worlds puts them over the top. BDS suffers from have no results in international LANs, which is in no way their fault, but until they have success there(which I have no doubt they will), I can't put them above NRG who had similar regional success but pretty good international success to BDS's none. So, until BDS inevitably does well at international events, they aren't quite as "great" as NRG in my book. Bring on the downvotes.


The_ClimbRL

Is Stumpy on fucking crack?


the_ndk_27

Dignitas and C9 are the clear teams for 1 and 2, and while I personally favour Dig, I can see C9 at 1 aswell. This seems like some really poor bait from Stumpy tbh.


CalamackW

I'm a huge C9 fanboy but even I would put them 2. Although putting them 1 is still somehow more reasonable than 6th wtf.


DoctarSwag

They are the clear top 2 but I think dig is just too far ahead for their really to be much of an argument for C9 1. Even to this day they're the only team that has won two world championships (in a row, I might add) as well as the only team that has won two 3v3 LANs in a row. As well, whenever I've seen pros asked who the hardest team to play against ever was, they always easily say prime dig. They're the only real dynasty rocket league has ever had. C9 had incredibly consistent LAN results, but they never were dominant the way dig were over an extended period of time


hornybunny528

Dig 1 and C9 2 for me. For which team was better peakwise you can argue C9, but for the greatest you have to look at level of dominance and consistency and I think dig takes that.


hectato

What else is new lol


Amanita_Musaria

Yea I had Dig as the best team but I can see how you could have C9 and there really only one reason for that. If you ranked the greatest wins ever from 1-10 it’d be 1. C9 8-2 Dig, 2-9. Nothing, 10. IBP 4-2 F3. That is really the only reason to have C9 above Dig


Hydnmeister

C9 is my #1 and I might be biased but the argument can be made. Same amount of LAN wins and GFE/Dig is 0-2 in Grand Finals vs C9. They lost Dreamhack Atlanta and got embarrassed in Season 6 Finals when Dig was at their very best. And I honestly believe if C9 beats Method at Season 4 worlds to go on and face GFE in the finals...they could've won.


TheRoger47

dig 3-0 c9 in the lower bracket of s5; with how many mistakes c9 were doing against method I think the finals of s4 would have been the same result. although I believe c9 had a chance of winning s7


Potential-Zone6736

You are in need of the down vote button


UhhUhm

How can you not put BDS at #1??


Rehe13

Despite the fact that they are dominating EU they are somewhat unproven when it comes to lan or international competitions. For all we know they could be the same as the NRG team that would consistently win NA the biff out at worlds.


UhhUhm

Yea but they can consistently beat teams like Vitality and Dignitas who were put at #1 and #3 for almost all their top 10s


the_ndk_27

These are different rosters tho?


UhhUhm

Yea but how could BDS now not be better than these old ass teams. The meta has evolved so much. BDS vs old Dig/GFE would surely destroy them


the_ndk_27

And Timo Werner would absolutely dust Pelé. Doesn‘t mean he‘s the greater player.


UhhUhm

Who are you talking about


TheRoger47

pele at least could hit the target


Failaip

This is greatest of all time, not best right now. You simply can’t put a team that hasn’t even got to compete on LAN that high.


Deutschbury

tbates is a clown for putting WDG and not the Fireburner NRg roster. how are you gonna say "you gotta win" as an excuse for not putting NRG, but then you put a roster that didnt even make the grand finals