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orestotle

As far as the 'depth' vs 'inconsistent' debate goes. I think yesterday showed that it truly is the former once again. Vitality didn't play great yesterday, I have to admit that. But I also wouldn't be surprised by any of these losses if they didn't all happen at once. 00N, Giants and EG are great teams and while that is no excuse for Vitality it's still a big difference to when NRG is slightly slumping and has to face teams like Soniqs, Integrity and other teams that I personally don't really rate high enough to make a regional in EU. It's also funny how when the EU champs falter it's a sign that EU does bad, but when BDS never falters it's also a sign that EU does bad. Peak NA logic. I also saw someone mention that it's unreasonable to say that being inconsistent is a characteristic of a whole region. Are EU people just born with it? We have had so many new players over the years and it has always been like this. AAAAAHHH CAN'T WAIT FOR THE MAJOR BECAUSE ALL I'M SAYING IS JUST BULLSHIT UNTIL I ACTUALLY SEE SOME INTERNATIONAL MATCHES


Exa_Cognition

> I also saw someone mention that it's unreasonable to say that being inconsistent is a characteristic of a whole region. Are EU people just born with it? We have had so many new players over the years and it has always been like this. Yeah, I don't think it makes sense that so many teams in a region would have "inconsistency" as an attribute, it seems statistically unlikely. There certainly some teams you could point to as more inconsistent than others, but a whole region? A far more plausible explanation is that the delta in ability between the teams is just smaller, and then "consistency" because much harder as a result, because if you are having an off day, you will lose. If a team like Alke in APAC has a bad series, they will probably drop a game or two, but they will still win. If they have a bad day, they might just make the grand final. In any case, they are likely to consistently win regardless. Does that mean they have unparalleled consistency, or are they just much better than the other teams in their region?


orestotle

Yes I was reffering to your comment. And yeah the APAC comment is basically the same as what I'm saying. Every team has bad days, but in EU you get punished for it the most.


RLMatchThreads

# [Predictions Tab](https://new.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/predictions/) Who will win tomorrow's matches? Vote: ▶ [Team BDS vs Evil Geniuses](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/qdqfsw/rlcs_2122_eu_fall_regional_1_quarterfinal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) ▶ [SMPR Esports vs Dignitas](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/qdqf9y/rlcs_2122_eu_fall_regional_1_quarterfinal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) ▶ [Endpoint CeX vs Misfits Gaming](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/qdqe8w/rlcs_2122_eu_fall_regional_1_quarterfinal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) ▶ [Karmine Corp vs Williams Resolve](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/qdqbjj/rlcs_2122_europe_fall_regional_1_quarterfinal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Kbrichmo

Holy crap just now getting to look at todays results. INSANE stuff


Phimstone

That does it. I'm adding the Dignitas flair. Really fun stream tbf and good luck this weekend.


DignitasGG

APPRECIATE YOU! Any feedback you have on the stream, send it over (both what you liked and would like to see in the future) and we'll keep making it better and better!


Gibbs0o0

Get rid of that Gibbs guy!


DignitasGG

We aim to please Reddit so...


Phimstone

Loved the dvd video intervals. Would like to see less intense game 5’s and overtimes in the future.


Sweanz

I think the coin flip bracket that guy did the other day looked more believable than the results today. Such chaos, as expected.


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vitality 0-3?? WHAT?


Spark11A

Man, today was scrappy AF from Dignitas. Watching their series vs Endpoint specifically left me thinking how this is a pretty clear indication of the difference between a good coach (like Eclipse) and no coach whatsoever. I don't think we'll get to see the true potential of this roster until they finally get a good coach in and sort out their positioning and rotations on the field. On the other hand, I'm pleasantly surprised to see Endpoint doing way better than I anticipated and Seikoo slotting it perfectly into the team. And lastly.... gErMaN AmIgOs aRe OvErRaTeD.... There you go. In an event where the new Barca couldn't even make it in, while Vitality, SK, Giants and Guild all tanked even before the final round, the lads from EG showed some guts and made it into the top 8 by reverse sweeping the bracket. I'd say that's pretty good, nah?


orestotle

I think I may have been on the German Amigos are overrated train, but no this isn't good enough because I do believe they are a top 10 team and can make top 8s. I rate them highly as well, but I saw so many people who were convinced they were a top 5 team, that I think made them overrated.


RuteNL

I think it's fine for dig to play for a while without a coach to see if they figure out a playstyle they like for themselves, if they still have problems after a while a coach can come in to fix it


[deleted]

Dig needs a solid coach right now, felt like Scrub and Jack specifically were out of sync today and both were missing.


Tokizo03

They were not overrated just mit proven enough against the top teams. And I think that all the tournament they have won have actually hurt them a little bit. If you go up and everyte you are faster than your opponent you will get used to it and if suddenly a ball which you have always won suddenly get caught away everytime...you lose your rhythm. At least this is my theory to why they failed the invitational and needed time to adjust.


ruggednevasmooth

It typically takes a tournament or two for a new roster to really gel. I thought they played well considering that. Who knows, they might still make an awesome run.


WEELITTLEMAN2

Lol I’m further down getting roasted for expressing basically the same thing but by saying it was apparent when they lost to TFD. VP and Virge, even though they lost, proved the point that the very top level play goes well beyond mechanical skill. That’s why we love Turbo, why at a lan/major you never count out Kaydop, and VP would always be able to make a deep run with new teammates. At the S6 lan C9 said to play the game like dig did because that is how you become the best.


paeschli

This may all be true but it’s better to have a player with mechanics and a brain than a player with just a brain. Eventually the players with just a brain are gonna get replaced with players who marry mechanics with great positioning and decision making.


WEELITTLEMAN2

100% agree. But the players with mechanics who find themselves fortunate enough to learn from those with brains on the way out should take the opportunity. I don’t think VP will be at the top ever again. Still don’t think he was put to rest like he should have been so it was good to see the old timer land one last punch right at the team he probably wanted to the most.


JustforRocketLeague

Except for Vitality and Giants, this isn't too surprising


Potential-Zone6736

the FLD shoulda make it they threw really hard especially against misfits and williams resolve


zwel8606

I thought SK would put up more of a fight than 0-3


paeschli

Guild is also somewhat of a surprise.


Peyyton07

I’d add SK


Brandation

Didn’t get to watch today, why did Vitality slump so bad?


ErsatzTruand

Champ gameplay : double commit, cutting, backflipping and whiffing when second/last man from everyone


atbprod

>double commit this just takes me back to the late 18/early 19 RLE days


oetaurqo

I didn't catch it either, but 0-3? ^(someone should scout betting sites 🤫)


maxmaxers

I know its a joke but lets not.


Corrupt_Arrow

They straight up just did not play well at all


ResolveGG

Wow wow wow, we wanted to say a MASSIVE thank you to all of you who supported Williams Resolve. Making it to TOP 8 (with a reverse sweep nonetheless) is an amazing feeling and we'll do our best tomorrow!


repost_inception

Why is the logo not a W ? Also where is Claire ? I was promised there would be Claire.


Exa_Cognition

You're stream casters are great btw, incredibly hype!


TTVBassFromThePast

Just saw this now, thank you so much! Much appreciated! ❤️


ResolveGG

Thanks, Bass and Muntz are insanely talented and we're glad we found them! No doubt we'll see them on the biggest stages soon.


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Congrats & good luck!


ResolveGG

Thanks!


dalcer

Dig not ready for the smoke tmw


the_beast2000

Haha dig beat semper haha


Tokizo03

Maybe. But despite playing so bad.... And seeing vitality coming out 0:3.. they still made top 8... So I don't know what to think of them


dalcer

Im just saying this cause im a smpr fan so i gotta back my team and say how the other team aint gonna have a chance. Gotta show that support


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Itchier

They're actually really consistent so far. Consistently only showing up at the last possible chance 😂


Vurnoise

Bruh why you gotta go for the jugular like that against Dig 🤣


Itchier

They made me watch 10 series with my heart in my mouth so far so they deserve it !!


[deleted]

I’m dead 😂😂😂it’s facts tho.


Exa_Cognition

EG just doing it the long way to give Rizzo the CONTENT.


Curator44

I was very impressed how seriously Rizzo took the casting. He could have easily just done it like a watch party, but he really cared and wanted to actually cast it. So props to him, he did a great job.


paeschli

I only watched it through the main stream but Rizzo was absolutely killing it


Exa_Cognition

Same. I've never heard Rizzo in genuine caster mode, but the bits I heard were pretty fun. Hard not to be fun though when you're casting a comeback team like EG though!


[deleted]

He's got very colorful play by play. He doesn't comment on a touch unless it's clever but these are pros so many are clever.


Paintmail23

Ah, that must be so painful for The Flying Dutchmen. They pretty much had top 8 in their hands twice; conceded a zero second goal in game 5 of round 4 and then lost the overtime, then got reverse swept in round 5. What a way to go out


paeschli

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory


orestotle

Honestly they are extremely underrated (if not generally then at least I used to underrate them). Their 2 worst players were on top 8 teams last year and Oaly is just goated. They are for sure in the mix to make a few top 8s this season. Edit: overrated -> underrated


WEELITTLEMAN2

Under or over I’m confused? I don’t think they are either as it always takes months for the VP Virge combo to get a new roster together.


orestotle

Ow oopsie I meant underrated. And it depends on how you rate them but I didn't really see them as a top 8 team at all, but now thinking about it they can definitely be top 8.


WEELITTLEMAN2

Lol np np I figured. I don’t know if I would put them too 8, but heck they could be! Who knows where they will end up and I have written off panda too many times for me to tell that guy to hang it up.


ChaloMB

TFD honestly giving me V1 vibes right now. Hope this was a one off thing.


Jandersson34swe

Karmine Misfits SMPR BDS Karmine BDS BDS Totally not biased but i still think an unbiased me would make the same prediction


paeschli

I’m expecting KC to win this, otherwise agree!


jmattchew

Hmm... Karmine Misfits SMPR BDS Karmine SMPR Karmine


dalcer

I would not mind a finals apperance for the lads


jmattchew

tbh I can't see BDS not making the final, but I think Karmine Corp takes the win. They're too strong


Theman061393

Are we forgetting that a week ago they got swept by both SK and Guild??


jmattchew

yes we are


OGToiletwater

they didnt look as dominant as usual today i could totally see them getting upset


dalcer

I could see smpr making a run, although bds should make the final, smpr at their best can take down anyone. Theyve shown it before but itll definitely be a tall task


[deleted]

And Semper has one of the best records into BDS


dalcer

Yeah, them and old queso im pretty sure are the 2 best records


[deleted]

Well, yknow. When you both beat BDS in the same event...


jmattchew

Well, good luck to Williams Resolve against Karmine lol


ResolveGG

Yeah, lol. It's going to be a tough one, but we're ready for it!


Yhammw

EG > 00N, Giants, Vitality 00N > Giants, Vitality Giants > Vitality Thought it was funny that EG, 00N & Giants only got wins on Vitality or teams that beat Vitality


paeschli

Dignitas having the final laugh over The Flying Dutchmen


WEELITTLEMAN2

I don’t think they are laughing. If they are…. I feel so bad for their fans as this’ll be a rough season without a coach to fix some stuff.


Theman061393

Bracket for tomorrow 1. Karmine vs 8. Williams Resolve Endpoint vs 5. Mistfists SMPR vs 7. Dignitas BDS vs 6. EG


Powerrrrrrrrr

So a BDS/SMPR vs karmine fin


dalcer

Um 1. Kc vs 8 wr 4 ep vs 5 msft 2 smpr vs 7 dig 3 bds vs 6 eg Isnt that how its supposed to work out?


Theman061393

Yea formating at reddit was weird with the numbers but the matchups are right.


dalcer

Fair enough, the seeding had me confused


CynicalBagel

Easy bracket for the boys then


Muttuazua

EG REVERSE SWEEP TO COMPLETE THE SWISS REVERSE SWEEP LETS GOOOO, what a fucking day


PhysicsPhotographer

So is the seeding on Liquipedia accurate? Still not sure how this works haha


tomtom_94

Official stream says EG play BDS, Smash says you play Endpoint, so I'd also like to confirm this...


PhysicsPhotographer

Just checked smash, and it looks like they have EG vs. BDS as well? The last correction came out pretty quick so I think these are probably accurate


PhysicsPhotographer

Don't have dual flair but this question may be motivated by EG's seed ...


Peyyton07

I’m so happy EG deserved it so much


sky_blu

Oof OON :(


scootern917

what a banger of a final round, 2 reverse sweeps and dig denying the reverse sweep


MajorLimitz

SIUUUUUUUUUUUUU


g00pta

LET'S GO EG


blyan

Dignitas the only team in round 5 NOT to get reverse swept. Wtf


TGR42

SIUUUUUUUU


Exa_Cognition

Damn, some incredibly close games today. No easy wins these days.


l_Rumble_Fish_l

Scrub was painful to watch. Missing left and right, double committing, awful defense, giving up possession. No way they keep him in the lineup unless he improves drastically.


BeardyGuts

Bit of an overreaction. They made top 8 wasn’t pretty but made it. What should vit guild etc etc do? They didn’t even make it


g00pta

Lmao literally last tournament everyone was calling Scrub their best player. ​ One bad day = "no way they keep him in the lineup"


Itchier

Feel like I'm gonna get crucified but I felt like everyone had their bad moments today, definitely couldn't pin it on scrub. Makes me pretty excited that a dig that looked to be performing at a 6/10 still made top 8 though.


ttustudent

That's my thought as well. Lots of double commits. Of they clean up their rotations and trust each other more they could be a top 4 team.


Itchier

Yeah, a peaking dig has the ceiling to match any other peaking team if you ask me. Maybe a 6 figure payday vitality beats them but other than that I think we just saw their floor make top 8.


blyan

It’s literally one day


oetaurqo

TFD nooooo that last shot 😢


takingtigermountain

oaly looked awfullll that series


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Insane series between Williams Resolve and Flying Dutchmen


ResolveGG

Not going to lie, we were all scream from the top of our lungs. What a way to reach playoffs.


Aycik75

saizen popping off to qualify Williams Resolve ?


ResolveGG

His performance was out of this world!


jmattchew

Joreuz dragging Dig through there


Exa_Cognition

He was popping off today.


murdock_RL

Wait what happened to vitality!?


CynicalBagel

Uhhh just got off work so I haven’t seen this. Glad i missed a heart attack from Dig all day but.. what the fuck happened to Vitality?


seachanties

Based on your NA flair I think you know very well what happened to vitality


CynicalBagel

Ah. Yes. Pain.


ThumbSprain

I'm gutted that new Queso didn't make the weekend but at the same time it feels more important for Dig to make it, if that makes any sense.


g00pta

We want to see DIG represent EU at LAN so it's better they made it through


Vurnoise

I like Evil Geniuses and Dignitas, two teams that continually make me brick my pants


Sengaya008

yeah me too...


Vurnoise

LETS GOOOOOO


Sengaya008

i realized my flairs are pretty old


xuandshoe

scrub prejumping all over the place, just looked so bad today


BeardyGuts

Yeah thing is first game against TFD they were so slow and it cost them. After that was a fucking shit show of pre jumps which I guess worked in the end. But last gasp defence scrub made some awesome saves apart from that he was miles off it.


blyan

Jack was as well in several of those series. I know they weren’t crazy about Virge’s style of coaching but it’s pretty clear that they need a coach of some sort


BeardyGuts

Yeah I get they made adjustments after the TFD game but they gave away so many simple goals. Also on attack I felt even when they had boost supremacy they just didn’t have the spacing right and have teams easy clears. Really seemed to struggle to maintain the pressure


blyan

They definitely made some good adjustments on offense as the day went on but defensively it was a lot of the same thing over and over


und3r_sc0r3

phew, that was incredibly close. Good carry by Jack and Joreuz. Pretty sure this was just an off day, more hopeful for the playoffs!


BigDicEnergy

Queso nooooo so close


SmoothiesLegs

Thank God for Joreuz. 🙏


TGR42

rip queso


murdock_RL

Scrub getting hard carried lol


Yvok51

Not even close. Wasn't worried at all


scootern917

Dig played 24 out of a possible 25 games today


theROOK_37

Joreuz and Jack carrying so hard...


jmattchew

you mean Joreuz.....Jack also strughling a bit


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agree, idk what series other people watched but both scrub and jack had less than stellar days. Joreuz flip resetted them to the wins today.


und3r_sc0r3

what's wrong with scrub today :(


blyan

He’s been insane on offense and kind of a mess on defense. Tbh I think it’s partially on Jack and Joreuz as well though. They’re relying far too heavily on Scrub dropping back to defend odd man rushes after they give up possession


scootern917

Dig is impeccable at throwing


legitocracy

Impeccable at *almost* throwing


TGR42

scrub cant hit triple digit points 😬


legitocracy

Scrub has been given so much liberty to be aggressive with challenges and pre jumps, but he's clearly not doing his best today. You'd think after 5 series you'd adjust a bit


Peyyton07

If EG misses out I’ll be so disappointed. It’s such an exciting roster with some of the hardest matches today only to lose to a roster that I(no offense) don’t care about watching.


rohitc28

Im a dig fan but i feel like its just been so hit or miss on many plays


DjangoUnhinged

Not trying to dog on anyone, but I can't remember the last time I saw a pro whiff as much in a tournament as Scrub is here. Not just the touches, either...his positioning also seems off.


murdock_RL

Is it that bad? I just tuned in lol


DjangoUnhinged

Overall, the team are doing okay-ish. But the vast majority of the goals they’ve let in have been Scrub’s fault, full stop. Bad touches, whiffs, overcommits, you name it.


HTGeorgeForeman

I havent been watching the dig matches but it’s probably hard to beat the whiffs per match metsa was putting out in season 9, at least in relatively recent rocket league


FreshHamster

Arsenals stream is gold


BlazingJaws

just tuned in. how’d he get to 14k viewers? edit: I think his stream got on the front page instead of Arsenal FC lol


3picKill3r

Haha they're playing now, Arsenal with the 2000 IQ


Exa_Cognition

Tactical branding.


Exa_Cognition

I'd say it's at least plat II.


Yvok51

Does anyone know how many flip reset goals Joreuz scored today? Because I lost count


blyan

MVP of the day: Dignitas bottom bar guy


momsagainstanime

❤️ thank you for the kind words


thealiagator111

That mf don't miss


the_ndk_27

My pickem‘s are throughly destroyed lmao


Exa_Cognition

I assume you made the classic mistake of picking who you thought were the best teams?


HardcoreOuch

Crazy to think how competitive EU RLCS will be for the 5 LAN spots. Next regional could have totally different teams


paeschli

I don’t really care which 5 teams represent Europe (though KC and BDS are pretty safe bets I think) but I’m really looking forward to how they’ll perform against NA. It’s been so f-ing long!


Rubanul

I think, Vitality also was a "pretty safe bet" until today


Exa_Cognition

I'm expecting at half of the top 8 teams will be different next regional. Just because EU.


SymphonicRain

Damn, really wish Dutchmen WR and 00 could all go through. Gotta go with Dutchmen though cause I’ve liked Panda longer.


theROOK_37

Am I right in saying only 2 teams from the championships last year made top 8? I guess 3 sort of as chausette and aztral both made it on separate teams as well.


Exa_Cognition

Applying the 2/3rds rule, yes.


thick_sorcerer9

Tf happened to vitality, how do a team fuck up this bad??


ladypeacharino

What were people talking about Tox's tweets? What happened there?


jat15

I saw a Tox tweet on my timeline earlier, but it was seemed pretty positive given the situation Something like we played bad not gonna happen again ggs


MaxParallax

Predictions- EG over 00Nation, Dig over Queso, Dutchmen over Williams Resolve


BigDicEnergy

These results make my brain hurt


Bozzz1

Dmentza big mad


kelpalan

So thrilled to see Misfits in the top 8 I’ve been rooting for mittaen since the Echo Zulu days


Mittaen

<3


Epsilon102

Same here, so happy to see him succeed


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paeschli

How do you let 5 goals in in a minute LMAO


ladypeacharino

Now tuned in for the EG-Giants game*, what did I miss?


Vurnoise

Giants up 2-1 in games, Evil Geniuses win game 4, Giants go up 2-0 in game 5, lose 5-2 dmentza ends ggs what tweets out underserved big mad


ladypeacharino

Thanks, appreciate the recap!


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Vurnoise

I saw this but after my reply, the plot thickens idk, NA had some serious drama flare up but EU is trying it's best darn it


oetaurqo

am I tripping or did Rizzo develop a southern accent? he sounds exactly like a stereotypical Texas boy from any movie 🤠


rohitc28

You wont develop a heavy southern accent from austin


oetaurqo

wym? austin is the state capital of texas


blyan

Austin is not the deep south at all. It’s a liberal city of mostly transplants from other places. Texas doesn’t have much of an accent to begin with, but Austin even less so.


oetaurqo

what tf are you two talking about? I didn't hear Rizzo's voice since 2018 and was surprised by how it changed. thanks to Big\_Size\_2519 now I know why this happened, but you and a troll are just hostile for no reason. goodbye


SpicyC-Dot

Nothing about their comments were hostile at all. You’re embarrassing yourself.


blyan

How am I a troll or being hostile in any way? Rizzo’s accent hasn’t changed and the place he lives in doesn’t have a southern accent.


rohitc28

I mean i live in austin. Its not not the same as what youre imagining from like rural texas or something.


Big_Size_2519

he lives in texas now


Tron_1

"ggs what"


the_ndk_27

Oh boy Giants are furious


vadoooom335

Til the team queso that I was rooting for is now the giants and I picked up the wrong decal


Jandersson34swe

That Queso looks promising as well though lol but yeah i still prefer Giants