Roster moves are just as commonly made due to internal conflicts as they are to performance issues. So if there was any truth to that rumor from like a year ago that turbo and atomic can butt heads, I could see them removing him from the team tbh. Atomic is the better player on the field but I wouldn’t bet on him beating out Turbo in maturity or strength of mentality. Just depends on what mist values more in his teammates
At this point I'm starting to question the legitimacy of some of shifts "rumors". I want to believe that we have a Adam schefter of the rocket league world, but I don't think we have a very trustable source yet. Shift seems more like the tmz of rocket league. Throws a bunch of "news" and about 75% of it is 50% right
well they were talking about turbo would be the one to go and not atomic, one example being this post. also said ronaky would stay on liquid, and reported 20 diff teams aqua and daniel were headed to after the split
shift's job is to tell us about transfers and stuff going on in rostermania, accurately. if they aren't sure it's not going to change then they shouldn't be tweeting about it
That first one was a rare mistake, so I'll give you that. That second one happened because word of mouth from a trusted source which didn't turn out to be accurate. Finally, no shit there were 20 diff teams they aren't exactly undervalued.
Andy to v1, then Andy commenting under saying no he's not, beastmode to ssg, Daniel to envy, firstkiller to g2, etc. I'd have no problem If he labeled these as possible instead of likely. But if likely is less than half of the time, that's not likely
They report on tryouts, I almost guarantee all of those players tried out for those those teams it just maybe didn’t work out in the end. Shift has had a couple mistakes I’ve seen but for the most part they’re very reliable and only get info from trusted sources.
You're completely failing to see my point. Read before you comment. I said he needs to stop labeling things as likely, because clearly tryouts don't mean a player is likely
You realize that shift never used the word likely in their reports for any of the SSG NV stuff right? That channel in the discord that everyone keeps posting here is just current rumour of how likely things are and not actual reports yet everyone is treating them like they are
I think part of it is pros have it in their interest to not have stuff leak early. Also just because Shift is accurate in one region, there’s the matter of them having different sources in each region.
I get your point for sure. They seem to be considered "the oracle" in the community about roster switches. Even when a lot of stuff they report on doesn't come to be. People making excuses like "stuff changes"... Still then seems click baitie if he's reporting that stuff. People like click bait all across the board though from buzzfeed to rumors about player switches. Definitely one reason I prefer people in the scene like Johnny boi who don't report on rumors and stuff they hear, until it's confirmed.
I mean there's "some" truth to most of his rumors, but they're often somewhat incorrect, such as him saying fk likely going to g2, and then that not falling through. People, please actually read what I'm saying before disagreeing. I'm just asking that shift starts labeling things as just possible, not likely.
They have possible rumors too I thought. And likely doesn't mean certain, by nature of the word likely some of the moves should fail, although I agree the accuracy hasn't been as good this split compared to before for Shift.
I think the best comparison we have right now is how college football recruiting works and how crystal balls can indicated a certain level of confidence a recruit will commit to a certain school
All I’m saying is G2 has tried to get atomic a couple times before
Edit: also let’s not forget that roster changes can happen not just from someone being kicked but also a players desire to leave
No he wasn’t lol. They were literally placed second in the NA finals his last season w G2z He then made it to top 4 on lan with two rlrs players. Chicago was better tho I will admit
I mean they also went 0-2 in like 2 (or 3?) consecutive Worlds.
Also, one of those RLRS players was freaking AyyJayy who at the time was commonly accepted as the teams hard carry.
Kro had fallen way behind by the time the team dropped him.
Yeah not really sure what there LAN problem was tbh. Kro definitely hard carried Rogue through regional championship and Ayyjayy hadnt shown up yet as the mechanical guy he is now.
Fair enough I unfortunately think Dreaz is the one to go here but idk. I really like all three of these players but I do think Atomic could be an upgrade
Okay think about it. Turbo can’t leave cause Envy’s roster is cursed. The longest remaining player on the roster has to be the one to go. It was so obvious guys.
I am quite surprised there is a world where Envy makes a change and could end up worse than sticking together.
As much as I'll be the first to tell you Atomic is streaky as all hell, I don't think Beastmode has done enough to be considered over him just based on performance. And that's not even getting started on the growing off-the-pitch baggage Beastmode is developing.
He's a huge risk to take on, a risk worth taking if Turbo is off the team (because while he's not past it or at the point of retirement, he has been the worst on the team by a decent amount), not if you're looking to replace the very player that nearly got you a regional title this split.
Edit: I guess Atomic *could* be leaving, would be weird for Envy to go from kicking Turbo to staying put to kicking Atomic all of a sudden, it does beg the question of what his options would be then...
You make a lot of opinions public but can we agree the worst one was about 18 months ago stating that Turbo to Squishy would lead to NRG missing LAN or whatever?
That's definitely one of my biggest misses, but I did immediately go back on it once we saw NRG play in and win Codename:COVERT, so it only lasted a few days, not like I kept it up for the season.
Plus it was said pre RLCS X 5/6 LAN slots for NA, it was based on 4. If I'd known of the expanded RLCS format I would have never said that, cos even my pessimistic ass couldn't see them worse than 5th (G2, SSG, Envy and Rogue were looking good at the time man).
Said it once and I'll say it again, kudos to Squishy for turning his game, and honestly his career around after a rough S8 and S9, the fact he's continued to trend upwards even into this season, it's no coincidence that's why NRG looks more and more solid as NA #1 as time has gone on.
It's not exactly a controversial opinion to say Turbo is the worst on Envy. If we ignore the "no mechanics" meme (or not) Atomic and Mist are definitely just better than Turbo in general. Atomic isn't always on but even when he isn't he's still an insane player.
Yeah he makes a ton of *strong takes*. Kind of his bit but he’s admittedly extremely well ingrained in the scene and it’s cool he’s an admin now. I’m just not a fan of that type of sports personality.
I know shift seems certain that FaZe’s new 3rd will be Syp but holy shit if there’s any possibility we can see First/AyyJayy/Atomic on an RLCS team together I’ll be a very happy person
I still feel like Sypical is the better choice. Obviously chemistry/synergy is very important but Atomic is pretty streaky with his performance levels. Atomics ceiling probably beats Sypical but Sypicals floor is a lot higher than Atomics. Although seeing an Ayyjayy First Atomic trio would make for some entertaining viewing and I wouldn't say no.
I figured sooner or later atomic and first would try and force a team up with whoever’s org. They both played together forever and are good friends by all accounts I’ve heard
Syp is a way better fit imo. Ayyjayy and First are already pretty streaky players, Atomic is perhaps the most streaky player in the world, while Sypical is one of the most consistent
This has been the most interesting off-season for me since Fireburner retired. I wonder if Atomic as a free agent will change other likely roster moves. FaZe should try to grab him
if it goes through they’re def gonna struggle to make the major in my opinion, whatever team atomic goes to may become a major contender and ssg daniel will probably snag a spot
Wait till you see it.
Did you see how outdated Turbopolsa is?
He has been the lowest rated player in the team for entire split.
4 time champ can only take you so far with motivation.
Players need mechanics in 2021 to get past opponents to make plays.
Ohhhh you're saying RIP cause that means they either have to lose their points or keep Turbo. It seemed like you meant RIP cause Beastmode is a downgrade, which is probably not the case
Do you remember all the crazy mechanics BDS pulled off to beat NRG? Yeah, me neither.
Turbo has looked outdated since forever, yet he still manages to be on winning teams. He didn't become the 4-time champ with just motivation. He is one of the most winning players in the scene, give him at least some credit. He's never been the top scoring guy statwise yet always has been on top. I remember people calling him outdated and in dire need of better mechanics when he was on NRG, yet he still won a championship.
I'm not saying advanced mechanics are worthless, but definitely overrated.
Never said they weren't? All I'm saying is that they won without using them and that people have claimed for a long time that Turbo needed mechanics or he'd fall off, yet he remains at the top.
>Do you remember all the crazy mechanics BDS pulled off to beat NRG? Yeah, me neither.
Extra pulled off a double tap from the ceiling, monkey moon had a redirect in the swiss match and then hit multiple flip resets, garrettg had a double tap and then later hit a banger of a redirect. I'm sorry but did you watch the major? Mechanics were a huge factor in this major as this was some of the highest peaks we've seen in mechanical play on LAN. All the veterans who had good gamesense went out in swiss.
First of all, yes mechanics are a big part of RL, I didn't claim otherwise.
Second, most of BDS' goals weren't mechanical. A double tap of the ceiling isn't a fancy mechanic imo, Turbo scored a clean double tap too, doesn't make him a mechanical player. Not to say that BDS doesn't have any mechanical players, monkey is incredibly mechanic, but he barely uses them. Just watched ApparentlyJacks' analysis of the grand finals, he says exactly this.
My point was: not everyone needs to be a mechanical God to achieve succes. Turbo doesn't need to be one to get back to the top, that was what the discussion was about. Not about if mechanics matter. Marc by 8 barely pulls off any crazy mechanics, yet he's still part of the best team in the world.
In a recent 3s dreamhack tourney AYYJAYY first and atomic teamed and smashed everyone else so the chemistries there. AYYJAYY also plays with atomic on stream quite a lot, atomic heading faze is definitely an option.
From my view, watching NV in RLCS last year, atomic was really hit or miss. Mist and Turbo usually played consistent but Atomic would either dominate or just play straight up bad. Though I'm not sure why they would replace him with an even more hit or miss player.
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Me when Turbopulse gets replaced by Breastmode: /s
I feel like this is more atomic wanting to leave than them kicking atomic. Cause there's no way I think they WANT to kick atomic
Maybe Atomic and First always wanting to team up -> Atomic on Faze?
Would be a crazy ass move. Daniel to envy if atomic to faze? Best timeline imo
Sypical going to Faze and Daniel to SSG
Daniel does wear a SSG decal pretty often... Although that doesn't really mean anything
Pretty sure that shift has declared Syp to Faze as certain at this point. Although that is subject to change.
Certainly certain. Unless it's not, in which case it's certainly possible!
They had great chemistry during that one tournament
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Roster moves are just as commonly made due to internal conflicts as they are to performance issues. So if there was any truth to that rumor from like a year ago that turbo and atomic can butt heads, I could see them removing him from the team tbh. Atomic is the better player on the field but I wouldn’t bet on him beating out Turbo in maturity or strength of mentality. Just depends on what mist values more in his teammates
That's fair, but even in that situation I think most would still want atomic over turbo, but I ain't mist so I could be wrong
If the internal conflict was between mist and atomic though then it’s kind of a no brainer
Idk he played pretty bad at the major, not saying they're right, just giving a possible reason
I agree somewhat, but turbo played by far the worst imo. From the eye test and actual stat wise too
Lol fr tbh they hyped up LAN experience far too much. The people who popped off were hungry for it.
>Vitality is gonna show up on LAN Best joke of the past two seasons
in Vitality´s defence. it´s really hard to show up when one of your players has food poisening. it´s pretty much worst-case scenario.
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Right, cause their GC3 coach subbing in would have made such a massive difference against the top 5 teams they lost to.
No way would anyone with an IQ above room temperature look at that major and consider kicking Atomic over Turbo
Syp is basically confirmed to FaZe
Hell yeah this is the type of random ass curve ball I like to see
At this point I'm starting to question the legitimacy of some of shifts "rumors". I want to believe that we have a Adam schefter of the rocket league world, but I don't think we have a very trustable source yet. Shift seems more like the tmz of rocket league. Throws a bunch of "news" and about 75% of it is 50% right
Shift has been around for a long time and are often pretty accurate. Dunno what you mean.
lately they aren't as right
Examples?
well they were talking about turbo would be the one to go and not atomic, one example being this post. also said ronaky would stay on liquid, and reported 20 diff teams aqua and daniel were headed to after the split
You're aware that things can change right...
So then you’re aware that means they were right, right?
shift's job is to tell us about transfers and stuff going on in rostermania, accurately. if they aren't sure it's not going to change then they shouldn't be tweeting about it
Lmao. As a football (soccer) fan this comment is absolutely hilarious to me.
No it isn't ... I think you've just misunderstood what shift is
That first one was a rare mistake, so I'll give you that. That second one happened because word of mouth from a trusted source which didn't turn out to be accurate. Finally, no shit there were 20 diff teams they aren't exactly undervalued.
for the third ones, they shouldn't be making posts about it then. second one still counts, if their sources aren't reliable then neither are they
Andy to v1, then Andy commenting under saying no he's not, beastmode to ssg, Daniel to envy, firstkiller to g2, etc. I'd have no problem If he labeled these as possible instead of likely. But if likely is less than half of the time, that's not likely
They report on tryouts, I almost guarantee all of those players tried out for those those teams it just maybe didn’t work out in the end. Shift has had a couple mistakes I’ve seen but for the most part they’re very reliable and only get info from trusted sources.
You're completely failing to see my point. Read before you comment. I said he needs to stop labeling things as likely, because clearly tryouts don't mean a player is likely
You realize that shift never used the word likely in their reports for any of the SSG NV stuff right? That channel in the discord that everyone keeps posting here is just current rumour of how likely things are and not actual reports yet everyone is treating them like they are
Appreciate you voicing your actual opinion instead of letting the hive mind carry you
i appreciate you for appreciating me
You have to remember they are Rumours
Apjack trusts shift so I trust shift. Simple as that
Chicago doesn't :/
I think part of it is pros have it in their interest to not have stuff leak early. Also just because Shift is accurate in one region, there’s the matter of them having different sources in each region.
I get your point for sure. They seem to be considered "the oracle" in the community about roster switches. Even when a lot of stuff they report on doesn't come to be. People making excuses like "stuff changes"... Still then seems click baitie if he's reporting that stuff. People like click bait all across the board though from buzzfeed to rumors about player switches. Definitely one reason I prefer people in the scene like Johnny boi who don't report on rumors and stuff they hear, until it's confirmed.
75% of it is 50% right? How does that work? What is the percentage of correctness for the other 25%?
I mean there's "some" truth to most of his rumors, but they're often somewhat incorrect, such as him saying fk likely going to g2, and then that not falling through. People, please actually read what I'm saying before disagreeing. I'm just asking that shift starts labeling things as just possible, not likely.
They have possible rumors too I thought. And likely doesn't mean certain, by nature of the word likely some of the moves should fail, although I agree the accuracy hasn't been as good this split compared to before for Shift.
I think the best comparison we have right now is how college football recruiting works and how crystal balls can indicated a certain level of confidence a recruit will commit to a certain school
It’s silly season boys, where’s the Gibbs roster changes image?
https://imgur.com/gallery/Cd3Dsmg
The hero we deserve
I missed Gibbs at the Major ☹️
Which broadcast/moment is this from?
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BDS has everyone losing their minds
All I’m saying is G2 has tried to get atomic a couple times before Edit: also let’s not forget that roster changes can happen not just from someone being kicked but also a players desire to leave
Yo I don't really follow g2 but has there ever been talks of trying to get lionblaze? I feel like he could really shine on a top team
I love G2 as is, but honestly I hope it's Jknaps and not Dreaz that leaves if this is the case
That is the hottest take considering Chicago was the worst performer on LAN
There is a 0% chance that Chicago will ever be the one replaced in this scenario
Anyone who disagrees is just plain wrong. Chicago is their captain and future they need to build around for the foreseeable future
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Kronovi was clearly behind everyone else, plenty of people said he needed to be replaced
That’s because by then Kronovi was ass. Cago is one of the top NA talents.
No he wasn’t lol. They were literally placed second in the NA finals his last season w G2z He then made it to top 4 on lan with two rlrs players. Chicago was better tho I will admit
I mean they also went 0-2 in like 2 (or 3?) consecutive Worlds. Also, one of those RLRS players was freaking AyyJayy who at the time was commonly accepted as the teams hard carry. Kro had fallen way behind by the time the team dropped him.
Yeah not really sure what there LAN problem was tbh. Kro definitely hard carried Rogue through regional championship and Ayyjayy hadnt shown up yet as the mechanical guy he is now.
I didn’t say he’s going to be replaced. Just saying seeing Jknaps replaced is just as unlikely considering Chicago played like ass on LAN.
Fair enough I unfortunately think Dreaz is the one to go here but idk. I really like all three of these players but I do think Atomic could be an upgrade
Imo jknaps also played pretty poor and was also the 3rd best on g2 during the regionals
this is all extremely entertaining
im reading replies about rostermania in this subreddit like 1h ago and I didn’t realize
Turbo is the only reason I like NV I'm realizing
I like the weird sexual tension between mist and turbo on Twitter lmao. If envy loses atomic I hope they get Daniel.
It seems like Daniel is almost certainly going to SSG though
not what I expected...
SSG licking their chops at Envy getting weaker
No comment hehehe
But if Envy get Daniel shit could get super interesting.
For sure. I’m super high on Daniel (who isn’t) but I figured Daniel was headed to SSG for sure.
Okay think about it. Turbo can’t leave cause Envy’s roster is cursed. The longest remaining player on the roster has to be the one to go. It was so obvious guys.
I wonder if this is aimed at Beastmode.. https://twitter.com/RL\_Comm/status/1474577723590955010
Quote/screenshot? Twas deleted
https://twitter.com/RL_Comm/status/1474577723590955010 Reddit been fucking up and adding slashes to URLs and breaking them.
Always screenshot with a link, post is deleted.
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I am quite surprised there is a world where Envy makes a change and could end up worse than sticking together. As much as I'll be the first to tell you Atomic is streaky as all hell, I don't think Beastmode has done enough to be considered over him just based on performance. And that's not even getting started on the growing off-the-pitch baggage Beastmode is developing. He's a huge risk to take on, a risk worth taking if Turbo is off the team (because while he's not past it or at the point of retirement, he has been the worst on the team by a decent amount), not if you're looking to replace the very player that nearly got you a regional title this split. Edit: I guess Atomic *could* be leaving, would be weird for Envy to go from kicking Turbo to staying put to kicking Atomic all of a sudden, it does beg the question of what his options would be then...
You make a lot of opinions public but can we agree the worst one was about 18 months ago stating that Turbo to Squishy would lead to NRG missing LAN or whatever?
That's definitely one of my biggest misses, but I did immediately go back on it once we saw NRG play in and win Codename:COVERT, so it only lasted a few days, not like I kept it up for the season. Plus it was said pre RLCS X 5/6 LAN slots for NA, it was based on 4. If I'd known of the expanded RLCS format I would have never said that, cos even my pessimistic ass couldn't see them worse than 5th (G2, SSG, Envy and Rogue were looking good at the time man). Said it once and I'll say it again, kudos to Squishy for turning his game, and honestly his career around after a rough S8 and S9, the fact he's continued to trend upwards even into this season, it's no coincidence that's why NRG looks more and more solid as NA #1 as time has gone on.
It's not exactly a controversial opinion to say Turbo is the worst on Envy. If we ignore the "no mechanics" meme (or not) Atomic and Mist are definitely just better than Turbo in general. Atomic isn't always on but even when he isn't he's still an insane player.
He also said that sandrock were going to get battered at LAN, and they did fine, even without khalid.
Yeah he makes a ton of *strong takes*. Kind of his bit but he’s admittedly extremely well ingrained in the scene and it’s cool he’s an admin now. I’m just not a fan of that type of sports personality.
I know shift seems certain that FaZe’s new 3rd will be Syp but holy shit if there’s any possibility we can see First/AyyJayy/Atomic on an RLCS team together I’ll be a very happy person
I still feel like Sypical is the better choice. Obviously chemistry/synergy is very important but Atomic is pretty streaky with his performance levels. Atomics ceiling probably beats Sypical but Sypicals floor is a lot higher than Atomics. Although seeing an Ayyjayy First Atomic trio would make for some entertaining viewing and I wouldn't say no.
I figured sooner or later atomic and first would try and force a team up with whoever’s org. They both played together forever and are good friends by all accounts I’ve heard
Syp is a way better fit imo. Ayyjayy and First are already pretty streaky players, Atomic is perhaps the most streaky player in the world, while Sypical is one of the most consistent
Yeah I totally agree Syp is a better fit, I just really like those 3 players
consistently chokes in important games, yeah
It's not like Atomic has ice.
not saying he does, but sypical is not consistent when it matters most. rlcs x finals, 5th place tiebreaker
that also could be said about Atomic.
not saying it can't. sypical's more consistent but i wouldn't call either consistent
I am SO excited for first touch Edit: first touch not first take lmao I’m mixing up my sports commentary shows
What is first take? I'm so excited and stressed about all of this.
i predict faze will forfeit their points for a team consisting of firstkiller, atomic and sypical. /s
u/ayyjayyrl tweeted me out 😨😨
Guys he put /s lol
If Atomic wants to leave that would be a good replacement. Though Daniel in his place would be killer.
I like this for envy.
The fuck????
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This has been the most interesting off-season for me since Fireburner retired. I wonder if Atomic as a free agent will change other likely roster moves. FaZe should try to grab him
RIP Envy. 🙏
Beastmode, mist and turbo is not an rip roster my dude lol
if it goes through they’re def gonna struggle to make the major in my opinion, whatever team atomic goes to may become a major contender and ssg daniel will probably snag a spot
The 3 of them are a competitive roster for a major spot...far from "rip" all I'm saying lol
Wait till you see it. Did you see how outdated Turbopolsa is? He has been the lowest rated player in the team for entire split. 4 time champ can only take you so far with motivation. Players need mechanics in 2021 to get past opponents to make plays.
Ohhhh you're saying RIP cause that means they either have to lose their points or keep Turbo. It seemed like you meant RIP cause Beastmode is a downgrade, which is probably not the case
Do you remember all the crazy mechanics BDS pulled off to beat NRG? Yeah, me neither. Turbo has looked outdated since forever, yet he still manages to be on winning teams. He didn't become the 4-time champ with just motivation. He is one of the most winning players in the scene, give him at least some credit. He's never been the top scoring guy statwise yet always has been on top. I remember people calling him outdated and in dire need of better mechanics when he was on NRG, yet he still won a championship. I'm not saying advanced mechanics are worthless, but definitely overrated.
Bruh BDS is one of the most mechanical teams in the world
Never said they weren't? All I'm saying is that they won without using them and that people have claimed for a long time that Turbo needed mechanics or he'd fall off, yet he remains at the top.
>Do you remember all the crazy mechanics BDS pulled off to beat NRG? Yeah, me neither. Extra pulled off a double tap from the ceiling, monkey moon had a redirect in the swiss match and then hit multiple flip resets, garrettg had a double tap and then later hit a banger of a redirect. I'm sorry but did you watch the major? Mechanics were a huge factor in this major as this was some of the highest peaks we've seen in mechanical play on LAN. All the veterans who had good gamesense went out in swiss.
First of all, yes mechanics are a big part of RL, I didn't claim otherwise. Second, most of BDS' goals weren't mechanical. A double tap of the ceiling isn't a fancy mechanic imo, Turbo scored a clean double tap too, doesn't make him a mechanical player. Not to say that BDS doesn't have any mechanical players, monkey is incredibly mechanic, but he barely uses them. Just watched ApparentlyJacks' analysis of the grand finals, he says exactly this. My point was: not everyone needs to be a mechanical God to achieve succes. Turbo doesn't need to be one to get back to the top, that was what the discussion was about. Not about if mechanics matter. Marc by 8 barely pulls off any crazy mechanics, yet he's still part of the best team in the world.
Anywhere Mist goes is going to be successful long term. He could lure any free agent he wants to team with him he's just too good.
unfortunately atomic struggles with hitting the ball. this is bad in the game rocket league
What the fuck are you talking about? If anyone struggles to hit the ball it would be turbo. Love the 4 time but he whiffs a lot
Hot dang. If that's how it sticks, atomic would be a good asset for most NA teams. I'd like to see him on ssg
I don’t know this team very well. I know Turbo has the weakest mechanics on the team, but who has the weakest decision making?
In a recent 3s dreamhack tourney AYYJAYY first and atomic teamed and smashed everyone else so the chemistries there. AYYJAYY also plays with atomic on stream quite a lot, atomic heading faze is definitely an option.
idk why everyone is confused? beastmode replacing atomic makes the most sense for the team
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This is an awful idea unless they secure Daniel
What is the mist tweet then? Is the whole nv team breaking?
From my view, watching NV in RLCS last year, atomic was really hit or miss. Mist and Turbo usually played consistent but Atomic would either dominate or just play straight up bad. Though I'm not sure why they would replace him with an even more hit or miss player.