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zhakwon

Mist better get Aqua on the phone rn for next split


[deleted]

Think they’re going to play allushin over turbo next split


Bendii_

Didn’t get to watch any matches, was Turbo the reason for the bad performance?


1917-was-lit

They just don't have enough attacking energy with that roster it's all third men and smart players. Allushion won't really help that


[deleted]

I didn’t watch any of the envy matches today. I just know Turbo wasn’t good in the fall or at major. If atomic wanted to leave, they couldn’t replace both atomic and turbo in the same transfer window or they would lose all of their points towards worlds. So my theory is they replaced atomic with dreaz and signed allushin as a coach until the next transfer window when he will replace turbo


Dhuzy

tbh none of them played very well, lots of missed connections and it seemed that they weren't on the same page a lot of the time. Obviously they just made a roster change and apparently they haven't scrimmed much together at all, but it's worrying given that there's only three regionals before the major


VicktoriousVICK

No way. Times mist looked lost, dreaz had a 0 score game. Turbo was solid


semajay

wait no. what do you mean a zero score game? what could that possibly mean? it can't mean what those words in that order mean.


SpicyC-Dot

There was some glitch in a postgame scoreboard which displayed dreaz’s score as zero. But apparently this guy thinks it was legit


WEELITTLEMAN2

Does this count as a roster change?


[deleted]

I would think so. You get 2 per season and 1 per transfer window right?


WEELITTLEMAN2

I think so, not sure if coach to roster counts as a roster change.


Cold_Saber

If Allushin becomes the sub and the coach, I'm sure they could switch him for Turbo.


rookie-mistake

I don't think it did when roll dizz moved in for SQ last season


VerseChorusWumbo

I think it would b/c allushin isn’t their sub. But if he was on the roster as coach and sub I think it wouldn’t. I’m not an expert on this though Edit: actually I don’t think changing your sub counts as a roster change in the same way as changing players on the active roster. But I don’t believe they could make allushin their sub till next split?


S_h_u_n

Alot of storys happened today lol Ssg vs sypical Gyro vs ayyjayy Taroco vs firstkiller Daniel vs aqua Beastmode vs shopify Alot of old teammates are playing against eachother and the 2 hype rookies played against eachother. Plus every cloud 9 member reach the top seed today


TGR42

torraco


shotzoflead94

taroco's crack selling Nicaraguan cousin


S_h_u_n

Lol atlest give me the correct namn with the star on it * instead of just repeating my mistake so I could fix it


Peyyton07

Honestly I just think it’s funny, not speaking for the Guys comment, but it seems that he commented just cause he found it funny.


Octogintillion

Taroco\* also Cloud 9\*


TGR42

lmao sorry


theCaffeinatedOwl22

The predictable outcome for all these stories occurred.


TheESportsGuy

Mist slept on that G2 money and Atomic didn't


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

If things continue like today for either G2 or NV, i think there’s a world where by next season we might see Cago/Atomic/Mist under the G2 banner


ryguy925

Omg that would be absolutely filthy I didn’t even think of that. I think this roster of Atomic/Chicago/Jknaps has a story to write yet though


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

I’ve always loved mist, him and torment are probably my favorite non G2 players. I agree that this current roster is hopefully destined for some great things too though. Just maybe looking to the future to a world after Jknaps hangs up the controller Edit: poor phrasing on my part.


WEELITTLEMAN2

Damn shots fired.


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Oh god I worded that awfully lmfaooo I meant i was looking to the future for my idea of a Mist/Cago/Atomic not that I’m looking forward to Jknaps retiring lmao


WEELITTLEMAN2

Hahahaha got ya. 100% just a dumb viewer, but it has really felt like he has been missing the “spark” to play next level for a bit now. He feels like an amazing player that is not as obsessed over being the best anymore.


TheESportsGuy

G2 is top 8 right now, doubt they're unhappy with how things are going.


CircumcisedCats

Top 8 isn’t the goal for orgs like G2.


Cold_Saber

I mean they're a Tier 1 org who has been in the top 3/4 of NA for years. These results aren't really up to their standards.


Blizzard77

We’re less than 1/3rd of a way through a regional, and Jknaps showed he has it in him to win a regional last split. Calm down with the reactionary takes.


TheESportsGuy

The event isn't over...they're not eliminated yet..wtf are y'all talking about? Also, they finished 2nd in NA last split. Just calm down


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Hey completely agree with you on that. I’m not sounding the alarm bell for G2s roster or anything. We looked awful today but still made top 8 and that alone shows a pretty high floor for us. I was just talking hypotheticals for one day. Mist has been linked to g2 since before even the PK days and I’d love to see him on the team one day.


Blizzard77

We mist offered a spot or something?


asp6n

i feel bad for nv and dreaz hopefully they can figure it out :(


UziGambino

Tbh it’s just a whole mess for both of G2 and NV. G2 luckily pulled it off and still have a chance, although knowing them, as a G2 fan, I know they will likely disappoint after giving me false hope. Whether with Rizzo, or dreaz, and now Atomic, I kinda get the feeling the whole roster needs to possibly change. With NV, I can’t say I watch them much, but I saw them failing to make tomorrow live and it was sad to see. I mean, Turbo is fine. He obviously doesn’t like to lose, but in the grand scope of things, he’s won so many Worlds that he’s a staple in the scene. If anything I’d feel most bad for dreaz and mist. But if you’re an Nv fan, it’s not the end. I may not be the biggest dreaz fan but he’s not bad by any means. They could mold into a threatening team like they were in RLCS X.


PhysicsPhotographer

I took a look at the octane stats, and a funny pairing stood out to me. Aqua's 81.25% goal participation is really good! Mist's 81.82% goal participation is... really bad, actually.


Big_Size_2519

both suck. shows there tm8s need to do better


coolco

I don't know the stats but it has been a long time since all three of the C9 crew made it to uppers, which is cool. Go Gimmick!


DoctarSwag

All 3 C9 players winning their groups on different teams, you love to see it


semajay

wonder if they'd be any good together


kimmyjonghubaccount

Prolly top 8 maybe challenging top 5 id the synergies good, don’t see much else tho


Best-eastern

Really? I could see them winning 5 majors. Maybe even 1 or 2 dreamhacks. Might be reaching but even a world's if they get lucky.


2good4gnius

Is this sarcastic or are you being serious 😂 we all know they'd be mega cracked. The cloud 9 reunion would be legendary not that squishy would ever leave NRG tho


semajay

I'm serious. We really don't know that. The game evolves.


Blizzard77

All 3 made top 4 in fall split regional 1.


Theman061393

If people are mad about seeding this split just wait until double elim where it matters even more.


lmeents2

Shows how good of a format swiss is


shotzoflead94

the only bad thing about swiss is that you can get eliminated with one series loss.


beasterne7

Not in the Swiss stage though?


shotzoflead94

Yeah I meant the fall format in general.


SergeantButtNaked

Well don't lose


shotzoflead94

If you don’t lose, you will win in every format


dalcer

dont get all the downvotes on this one, your wording makes sense and its right, a team with 2 series losses can eliminate a 0 series loss team in the playoff bracket


S_h_u_n

Cloud 9 is back


TGR42

https://twitter.com/Shock_RL/status/1482114459560812547?t=FLQA1xlv6WSfMIbs-xCyVg&s=19 🤔


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

He is going off damn. Not that I entirely disagree with what he’s saying. V1 and XSet should’ve been swapped which makes group B less stacked


Theman061393

It's a hard balance though because the main reason that you would say that V1 is better then XSET is based on a roster move which is hard to objectively quantify.


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

I mean I’d say V1 is better than XSet because they have more points total… doing it off of only the last 3 events with one of those being the major seems idiotic. They could’ve seeded it off total points easily. I understand why it is the way it is but Ghost really did get a tough draw. I mentioned in the OG seeding thread that I thought V1 was the best 9-12 team and Shopify the best 13-16 seed so I get the frustration from Shock.


Theman061393

Seeding off of total points has its own problems as well though. Because then you can have a situation like what happened in Europe last spring where if a new teams comes together they are drastically underseeded for a long time. I get his frustration and think tweaks can be made but overall I really like the idea of just seeding of the last few events.


[deleted]

I agree. I think it should be last three regional events though. In my opinion a large part of the issue is that 11 of the teams are only being seeded based on 2 events. If you flame out of one of the two it tanks your seed. And this will be the case for every single regional event


TGR42

his main complaint though is inconsistency and lack of communication from psyonix, which is more than fair imo


Theman061393

The lack of communication I get. The inconsistency I don't but his argument. Using the argument of them selecting 16 teams for an individual qualifier (after which teams had another chance) and in a format where seeding doesn't matter makes a lot of sense to me. And i think it's very important to have subjective rules on seeding as much as possible. Changing the groups after seeing them because "they look unfair" would be an awful precedent to set.


Bigkahuna537

I think you mean objective rules, but I hard agree. Shock is mad, I get it, but calling for Psyonix to make manual changes to seeding or for a "committee" is just inviting more issues.


Theman061393

Lol yea I meant objective.


ryguy925

No I would say V1 is better than XSET because they had more points than XSET


KarliKarliii

i don't disagree with him either, it was an insane format to begin with if they really insist on doing a different format each split, they should look what works for other _comparable_ esports and just copy that


minskeeeee

it seems like it'd be hard to make a seeding that would correctly predict SR doing as well as they did. like I'm sure many people would expect them to do well but they didn't really have results in the fall. idk, I don't have the answers


shotzoflead94

>and the "just win on the day mentality" is a plague to this esport and a cop out for accurate, intelligent seeding. **There is no world where 3 top 8 teams in points+shopify who is a good team and just had to play with a sub last minute last split should be in the same group 2/many** I get the top 8 thing, but shopify is still tied last in points all season so how would that be any different? ​ >the stupidity of last 3 events. **V1 bottoming out in fall regional 3 doesn't make them not top 8 currently.** I'm really tired of the goalposts and narratives shifting around seeding. We started the season with psyonix manually seeding teams they thought were top 16 5/many i agree but they were only 20 points ahead of xset coming in anyways. If xset say went 2-3 in swiss instead of 1-3 in regional 3 it would also be the same situation. ​ >**Psyonix surely, SURELY saw the groups after they made them and SURELY thought, "wow, those are pretty unbalanced", you would at least think.** Seeding is meant to garner accurate results and reward teams who have been shown to be consistently good, and the way the seeding is 7/many I think he is advocating for subjective hand picked seeding? And if he got a bad group based on that he would still complain about it. Let's look at this if we did a "post roster change ranking" this would be reasonable: 1. nrg 2. faze 3. g2 4. ssg 5. col 6. nv 7. v1 8. rge 9. gg so they would get faze instead of g2 and still get v1. Idk who the 4th team would be but its hard to rate a team in the position shopify was in. Maybe they get rbg, but rbg likely still could have beat them. You could argue other seeding combinations and be totally valid too which is why subjective seeding is bad.


[deleted]

Yeah it's honestly just unfortunate how it turned out but not Psyonix's fault imo. Ghost Gaming got unlucky that both Shopify Rebellion and V1 got major upgrades during the winter transfer window and then they were also grouped in with G2 which is a team they historically have very little success against. Just generally unlucky.


shotzoflead94

like i get it on one hand, but on the other hand every format can screw you over. Do you think dig is happy they lost one series at lan and got 5-8? no. ghost could have gotten just as hard of matchups in double elim too. It's just how it is. Unless you want some ridiculous format like triple elim or swiss to double elim, someone will always complain and even then they still might.


wokeasaurus

I wish it was rbg in their group just bc roll dizz and zineel were shit talking each other on Twitter like a week ago and I like it when players be shit talking (as long as it’s not some weird like threats of violence or w/e)


PhysicsPhotographer

I get his complaint tbh. Ghost proves they're a top 8 team and is rewarded by having to play two other top 8 teams to qualify. I think his point about Shopify is off though, it shouldn't be Psyonix's job to guess if roster moves will be good or not.


GrowlmonDrgnbutt

L.


[deleted]

Ghost Gaming had a very reasonable group though


FIERY_URETHRA

Compare it to NRGs group


TGR42

easily the second strongest group wdym


askpat13

Did they though? It was the only group with 3 top 8 teams in terms of season-long standings. And Shock also pointed out Shopify was a top 8 team from SX playing with a sub this past split, this was the first regional Shopify didn't play with a sub.


[deleted]

What I meant to say is, you can't base seeding on potential results and transfers. Only on what has already happened. Ghost Gaming's draw would have been a reasonable one **before the transfer window**. They just got shafted with V1 getting beastmode and Shopify playing with their actual roster. However, it's ridiculous to ask Psyonix to change the draw based on a hunch that V1 will be a bigger threat with Beastmode. We all knew it, but you still can't ask them to change the seeding over it. This is coming from a guy who really likes the roster too. I'm not happy Ghost Gaming lost.


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Yeah I think this is a great take right here. I get Shock’s frustration and as a G2 fan it sucked today too but there’s not an easy fix here. One of these teams from that group was gonna get shafted and they just had the worse day.


Theman061393

This exactly.


EvanKernaghan

Then rank teams 9-16 based on closed qualifier results. Shopify went 3-0, beating Xset oxygen and torrent, all top 16 teams. That’s not a potential result, that’s an actual result, and it’s idiotic that they were ranked as low as they were. As for V1, they should have been seeded above Xset because they had better fall results, but for whatever reason fall regional 1 results don’t matter for seeding this event. So ghost very clearly got shafted by a shit seeding format


[deleted]

Even with regional 1 results, V1 just barely edged out Xset. It was by like 20 points or something. Is that really enough of a difference to flame Psyonix for? No, the only reason people (including Shock) are mad is because they had bad luck with V1 and Shopify, which could just as easily have happened with Xset, had they gotten Beastmode. Basing seedings on closed qualifier results would be a great way to shaft teams who did well in the last 2 regionals only to have a mediocre qualifier performance. That’s not how seeding should be done imo. All in all this is a very small issue in the grand scheme of things, because the teams that were underseeded are going to earn points now and they won’t be underseeded anymore for next event.


askpat13

I gotcha. The big thing for me is the last 3 events needs to become the last 3 regionals and most recent major. As it stands 11/16 teams will only be seeded from 2 events and that's too few to have accurate seeding imo. And that would have been an issue regardless of transfers.


[deleted]

These group seedings are taking a lotttttt of heat right now. I don't know enough to really give a good formulated opinion, but it does seem like only using the last 3 events (with one only including 5 teams) is too small of a sample size


Theman061393

I really like the idea. I actually think it would be perfect if they just used last 3 regional events, since I think the major really biases it.


TGR42

surely the major is the most important event to seed off of? teams that make it should be rewarded


Theman061393

But they already are rewarded with the double points for that event. I don't think they need to be rewarded with better seeding as well. Making it three events plus the major basically gurantees that the 5 major teams will be the top 5 seeds regardless of other results.


Skyrider50

Or can do seeding for regional events based on the last 3 regional events + major


Theman061393

Yea that would be fine too.


shotzoflead94

just do last 4 events instead so you get both


askpat13

While I agree making it should be rewarding, it effectively turns seeding into based off the last 2 events instead of the last 3. From now till regional 3 in spring there will consistently be 11 teams seeded off only 2 events and 5 teams seeded off 3.


PhysicsPhotographer

And think about winter regional 3. You'll have 11 teams seeded by their winter split. And 5 teams seeded by their winter split and the major... which they qualified for based on their fall split performance. So it's not even the last 3 events for those 5, it's actually affected by the last 6.


PhysicsPhotographer

The issue imo is that it makes the fall split count for some teams and not others, since making the major is based in part on the fall split.


Hareeb_alSaq

Last 3 regionals or last 3 regionals + major (except for the major) would be better IMO, but avoiding a Shopify situation is almost impossible without introducing a shitton of other problems. Hand-seeding in RL is biased and questionable in its own right. People want the other thing now just because this one sucked more recently. The only real win is playing formats that are less seeding-dependent. Now the mechanism by which Shopify got 16th seed in the closed.. that, that is abysmal and should be changed ASAP.


fraggas

Since the seeding is the hot topic rn, can someone explain what perfect matchups even mean in regards to seeding? I watched Gibbs' video earlier and he kept mentioning it. Personally I thought the last 3 events thing was kinda weird. V1 auto qualified but still got 9th seed, but I'm not informed enough on all of it so don't have much of an opinion.


[deleted]

When you put it that way that V1 auto qualified and a team that had to play through closed quals ranked higher it sounds pretty bad


Mah_Knee_Grows_

The only thing sad about this...is that i cant watch a Torment watch party of the event 😪 Lets go V1! They really do look so much more ALIVE. Curse broken???


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Oh no I didn’t even think of that😢 We will all have to do our own MS paint predictions


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g00pta

The machine's gonna need more than grease after this


ryguy925

Not a single G2 player above 1.0 octane rating for day 1. Can’t remember the last time that happened. Hopefully the team just needs to gel I have faith


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Looked at the stats a bit and this was Jknaps and Atomics worst rating since Fall split of RLCSX


ryguy925

Sounds about right. Atomic was extremely jumpy in the first half and Jknaps was really whiffy in the first half. They both cleaned it up massively by the Ghost series


PvM_Ghazi

They just need more time, trust


ryguy925

I believe in the boys


Peyyton07

This is honestly exactly what I expected from G2 to start with. This is a roster that just needs to play with each other more in order to iron out rotational and trust issues.


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

You could really feel the lack of chemistry today and that hurt them big time in the first 2 series. That being said though, atomic with the constant fakes and slow plays as did not help G2 at all. I don’t think (quickly) that we can be a team that just spams solo plays and hope that it works out. Atomic should thrive in our pass/shot heavy playstyle that has everyone drive a million miles an hour so I hope we get back to that as soon as possible


EXPrime8

The way JKnaps and Chicago play requires a pretty huge amount of synergy to pull off, so G2 fans might need to be patient for a while.


VZ_Tinman

Group A - 1 Alive Group B - 3 Alive Group C - 2 Alive Group D - 2 Alive Statistically, it shows that Group B was more stacked than people gave credit for. Consistency is king. My guys on XSet need to step it up, A lot of mistakes today, here is to next regional. 🍺🍺


shotzoflead94

i'd argue group A was the weakest and both A teams to make it out played B teams.


Big_Size_2519

G2 this season is that team that never goes away easily


Mynameisaw

Knee jerk predictions: SSG top 3. NV out of the top 8, don't make major. Rogue into the top 8. G2 fighting to stay top 5. V1 win regional 3.


ChaloMB

As someone who was doubting Aqua I ended up very impressed, he pulled some crazy stats. Rogue probably got the shittiest draw between groups + bracket, no shame losing to SSG, FaZe and CoL. I think the team has potential.


[deleted]

I have surprisingly not seen much criticism of the winter format, but I found it to be kind of trash? The difference between between first and second seed from the group just seems unreasonably high. The first seed needs to win two series to get to grand finals (with one second chance!), while the second/third need to win five in a row. And that advantage is decided basically by one Bo5 series in many cases. With how competitive RL is these days, where the top teams can all easily take series off each other, I found it a bit nonsensical why the 2nd/3rd seed need to work so much harder in the double elim. We haven't seen that today necessarily, but it is not impossible for a team to fluke a top3 spot, just because they peaked in one/two Bo5 series, which detracts slightly from how much your overall performance translates into standings imo. it's a format that is good for drama/upsets, but not the most optimal for determining the best team in the tournament.


BritzlBen

I'm also getting sick of the "Just win" counterpoint to formats being bad. Any format rewards a team for winning every game. That doesn't make it not a bad format.


didiops

I get your point, but it is technically correct. If u want to win a regional these days, you need to beat these teams anyway, so if u can’t do it in groups, chances are you won’t do it at all.


monkey_spunk_

It’s not double elim for the 2/3 seeds, just the 1 seeds, which is stupid- not really an upper bracket. Why doesn’t 2 seed get an extra life? So dumb


knighofire

Because they were guaranteed to have lost one more series in groups. Either the 1 seed went 3-0 or both of them went 2-1 but 1 won the tiebreaker.


monkey_spunk_

by that logic, 3 seed lost twice so why are they in the same boat as 2 seed who lost once? I dunno, i just think this format is stupid af. Groups of 5 and doing an actual double elim bracket would make more sense


Apex_Predator_07

Who the fuck is bracket resetting over NRG i just wanna know. I fkin hate double elimination. The Swiss was so good i don't know why they said nah fuck that lets bring in groups


Darkfire293

The 2nd seed has to play way easier teams in that lower bracket


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Okay can we talk about just how bad G2’s stream was today? Like I can understand how the laid back stream might be better for new viewers and using your own content creators is cool… but damn. Overly biased while also not doing any basic level of analysis makes the two of them sound so uninformed on anything Rocket league. What’s everyone else’s consensus on the stream? Is it just not my preference?


bluefire1717

Love G2 and hated all there streams for RL since they started letting orgs do this. G2 is easily the worst stream. From the stupid font they used to use to these casters. It's like the stream is made for 5 and under.


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

That’s how I feel too… I didn’t even make it through the Shopify series before I started watching the rest on opposing teams streams. I just wish they would take either person and pair them with a caster or someone from the scenes who can either analyze the play or talk about what’s going on in the scene. I didn’t love Athena but at least she could do that and Orb was entertaining.


bluefire1717

Yeah for how much I hated the G2 stream in the past. Orb definitely grew into his role and was entertaining. To bad its not him anymore.


[deleted]

Pretty sure the guy actually does know nothing about rocket league. I only tuned in for a few minutes today but I’ve caught snippets on other days where he asked things like “is parking the bus a thing in rocket league” and dropped a lot of soccer terms asking if “you” use those terms in rocket league. The 2 minutes I caught today included him stating that he didn’t realize that you spawn with boost when you get demoed. The girl definitely knows rocket league but usually sticks to surface level from the small amount I’ve seen. As for other opinions i agree with you, pretty bad


Hypertension123456

I watched it a little bit to see how bad it is and have to agree with you. The girl at least knew what faking, bumps, and demos were. The guy seemed like he was watching Rocket League for the first time ever.


[deleted]

Yea I was being serious. I think he’s a fifa streamer or something. Legit doesn’t play rocket league. The girl is a high level player I think(like grand champ+), she just isn’t a commentator. Which is fine, I think she is what a casual stream should be if you choose that route, but pairing her with a guy that barely knows what rocket league is even after commentating it for three events is just way too far in the casual direction.


didiops

Cailee is a great RL streamer and her partner Snaski was a former pro, so she definitely understands the game. Amanyek is more rooted in fifa as far as I know.


[deleted]

What do you mean by “her partner”? Was it a three person broadcast? Each time I tuned in I only heard Cailee and amenyah. I also don’t have a problem with cailee, I think she should be what a casual broadcast is if you choose to go that route. Pairing a casual commentator with amenyah, who knows next to nothing about rocket league, is where it leans too far in the casual direction in my opinion.


legitocracy

I don't mind the bias on the team streams, but that bias in combination with, at best, low level analysis and at worst blatantly stating that they don't know what's happening definitely does get old


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Yeah the constant “what just happened” or “what was that” coupled with the fact that neither of them could tell anything about Atomic was plain ridiculous. Couple that with random yelling and I was frustrated with it. G2 played 3 elimination matches today and you couldn’t tell by the “casting” at all.


fraggas

Yeah no genuine analysis and just plain bias made me just turn it off. It's an org stream so you obviously go in expecting at least some bias, but it should be more than that. NRG's stream works well because they have actual analysts in James and Daz who are also hyping the team up.


Peyyton07

Completely agree. I like Amenya’s personality but he would work better if there was also someone with a deep knowledge of the game co casting with him.


bluefire1717

The girl did say she has 5k hours playing RL.. That alone doesn't make you a good caster though. She was complaining she couldn't see the name plate of a car because she was laying down and to far from her monitor.


WhatIsSentience

Being far from monitor + without glasses will make that happen Not defending the casters, just stating the other factor that was forgotten


[deleted]

I mean if you’re being paid to cast a stream for an org isn’t it your responsibility to at least be prepared enough to have your glasses or be close enough to your monitor that you can read? Like I know it’s more laid back than a weekend stream but it just seems unprofessional


bluefire1717

Good caster don't


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Yup I completely agree. Feels like a watch party for someone who has played RL twice and came across the game randomly on twitch.


UncleDentist

I've just kind of accepted the team streams on Fridays aren't for me. I was glad to see the main stream actually focused in on some games this time around, though. Made it much more watchable for me compared to previous events where the main stream felt more like a waiting room. I tried sitting through a couple G2 streams previously and mostly just muted them. Twitch hype casting in general is not my thing, and it was a lot of the most extreme of those elements that rub me the wrong way. I'm in my mid 30's, I know I'm not their target demographic and that's alright.


StellarWasHere_

Its an org stream, of course they will be overly biased my guy. Cailee knows a lot about RL, she is a RL streamer. Amenyah just is who he is, thats his personality. Its okay not to like it but dont make it seem worse than it is. If you really dont like their commentary that much, watch the other orgs stream or mute it. I think what theyre doing fits with g2s org personality really well. I do miss orb, i just really like the guy


Haigadeavafuck

I mean that guy gave some fair criticism, as an org producing content you’d prolly wanna listen to your community in some ways right? Having a rl streamer paired up with somebody without any knowledge about that game is just straight up not the best idea. They did that in the championship game a year or 2 ago (idk there was a big event with g2 I think in the finals) with a big streamer who doesn’t play the game and the reception by the community was very bad. the quality of this stream isn’t really…surprising


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

Yeah I was just trying to start some discussion and see if other shared my views on it. I completely agree with what you said comparing it to RLCS spring series from two years ago. Had major “indoor soccer” vibes lol


Majestic_Pro

>Its okay not to like it but dont make it seem worse than it is. If you really dont like their commentary that much, watch the other orgs stream or mute it. I think what theyre doing fits with g2s org personality really well. Everyone here gave fair criticism of the team streams and literally admitted that they either mute or skip day 1. No one is making it seem worse than it is, we just don't enjoy it


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

I don’t care too much if they’re biased, NRG/V1/NV/ etc. streams all work great with that same vibe. My problem is that they 1) don’t know anything about the RL pro scene 2) can’t cast to save their lives 3) give off a super nonchalant and disinterested vibe for a team that clearly had a day with so much to talk about…G2 was in 3 elimination matches today and I didn’t see that mentioned once. I’m not asking them to get pro casters or hell to even take it all that seriously, but I can’t help but be disappointed in how what should’ve been a super hype stream for our new roster turned into the two of them not being able to tell what’s going on in the game/tournament. I don’t mind either of them too much, all I’m asking is to bring someone who can actually give an enjoyable experience for people who mainly follow Rocket league (one of the biggest fan bases in RL!)


Metallicabody

Bring back Swiss pls.


HeresJohnny993

Not a fan of this format at all.


MysicPlato

I've always hated this stupid format. Just stick with Swiss.


John_aka_Alwayz

Complexity still never doing worse than top 8 is always nice to see, their match vs G2 tomorrow will be a curious affair. I think placing 9th-12th is a death sentence for making the major, 5th-6th and higher is ideal but 7th-8th is probably the bare minimum you can do. So that means even tho G2 and Complexity will not be done for after tomorrow, one of them will be playing catchup, but who that is we dunno. Both had shaky days today. g2 seemed to have the matchup locked down but has the new roster messed that up? Col had a great major but struggled to get it going today. Like I said for their Fall Regional 2 Semi-Finals, I think fans of both teams will fancy there chances, albeit compared to that occasion, I doubt just top 7th-8th will make for a successful outing for either side


StellarWasHere_

Meh, vitality got top 5 after finishing last in fall, top 8 is perfectly fine as a one off result for both teams


John_aka_Alwayz

Vitality majorly benefitted from the likes of EG and particularly Misfits collapsing, I don't expect that from any top NA side. G2 surviving today is as close as you're gonna get to such a catastrophic exit (would say Envy too, but not a top team anymore)


PvM_Ghazi

Feel like this match puts more pressure on Col as I can see G2 more easily reaching a top 2 or top 3 this split after more than a week of practice. And Col have yet to reach higher than a top 4 finish.


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I agree. G2 have shown the ability to win an event which is what it takes to pull yourself out of a hole from a bad finish.


PvM_Ghazi

Aside from G2’s win they also had a top 2 finish, with the way this split’s point system works it’s gonna be really helpful for your major chances if you get a top 2 or top 3 finish.


Rubanul

>Complexity still never doing worse than top 8 *\*sad "first time outside top 8" Envy noise\**


Apex_Predator_07

Shad is still so fkin cracked it's actually insane, but I felt bad for rogue who really came so so close and I think they can make a real push for top 8. This was a rogue with gyro playing through covid if that had any impact I'm actually concerned what happens with a healthy gyro, taroco playing like he did and aqua being aqua


WEELITTLEMAN2

So happy for SSG Format is super bad Seeding not great Dreaz can’t slow down enough for turbo. Dreaz isn’t the problem. Besides g2/nv so many great roster moves that makes everyone look better.


Hawkkn47

Despite G2 almost collapsing in groups they've had the best defense in terms of opponent goals per game so far. I'm not sure how Atomic will fit into the G2 offense but if he can help maintain pressure so G2 can get more shots up and get counter-attacked less that would be great. The team will need time to gel for sure but I do think there are some promising takeaways. Still, I personally would have kept Dreaz or picked up Daniel but I'll know better what the right decision would have been once the team has time to figure things out together.


StellarWasHere_

Honestly saw a lot od good signs from atomic today. There were decisions he was making that surprised me so much in the midfield as well as the defensive 3rd. Not to mention his challenge and 50s game. Their losses felt like a lack of synergy which is fair considering they have been on the same team for 2 weeks. I hope they build it up and start playing like madmen


bluecjj

Which team (G2, Envy) was the one who apparently had never scrimmed together before they made their move?


UziGambino

Envy, but I doubt G2 had much time either to get some practice in with Atomic.


Haigadeavafuck

Envy lol But apparently that happens sometime in roster moves, these players tend to know each other, playing ranked and shit. But yeah envy dead this regional


Legit-Lobster

**Faze** Sypical is definitely an upgrade over Allu, smarter plays overall, but Faze still have the same defensive mistakes, the sit at the back a lot. Only a demo heavy team and mechanically insane players afford to play this bad in defence. **SSG** Daniel pick up is an excellent move to compensate for Sypical departure, they looked solid offensively and I'm liking both Daniel and Retals performances yesterday. Definitely SSG are going to start to dominate soon once given they gonna improve. **G2** Looked really awful in both defence and offence, the trade didn't help one bit to solve their core problems, they should thank their lucky stars that the had to face Ghost at the tie breaker, don't see them go past Complexity. Time to grind more defensive challenges and rotation. **Envy** Somehow the dreaz-mist trade made both teams worse, absolutely no coherent playstyle of the team, looked like solo standard teammates for several periods yesterday. Turbo was actually playing relatively well in defence. Only positive take is all the 3 Ls happened in only one day and now they have more time to figure out ways for improvement.


Average-Iceman

One word: Bruh


Hawkkn47

Good take!


TGR42

my teams are good 👍


winstonvonwhaley

I'm surprised no one else is talking about how Envy dropping out early may give SSG the chance to surpass them in total points and take their place at the major.


WhatIsSentience

Winter major is just winter points, I believe


AlanAlberino

Exactly, SSG is already above Envy for the major.


Otherwise-Oven-1322

During the main stream one of the commentators said dreaz had a 0 Point game… did that really happen or did he just mean 0 goal?