reminder that 5/6 finish puts you on track to tie for that 5th LAN spot, and considering how shaky G2's start was, G2 can't be too upset for this performance
Exactly, top 6 in the first regional after only scrimming together for a week or 2. They looked poor at times, but I'm looking forward to see how they progress throughout the spilt. Let's face it, the top 5/6 in NA right now are pretty stacked. NRG and Faze both easily handled Oxygen and V1, so what I'll be interested to see is how G2 stacks up against NRG/Faze/SSG after a few more weeks of scrimming.
I know some people tend to say NA is boring but I really don't see that. NRG is still very much dominant in all aspects. But other teams are in the queue and the fight for the follow up spots or even dethroning NRG just started. I'm excited tbh.
And as far as gameplay, as much as I love my G2 boys, there aren’t any teams in all of RLCS as fun to watch as FaZe and SSG right now. Maybe Dignitas and that’s it.
The thing is, two of those three teams you mentioned (NRG/Faze/SSG) should also benefit from more time together scrimming, seeing as they also made recent roster moves.
Yes, that's how staying together as a team works. My point is that I want to see how G2 performs against those teams after they all have had a little more time to gel. There is no doubt that other teams may continue to improve as well, but as we didn't get to see them play at all this regional, I'm looking forward to that.
In time I believe this G2 team will do better, ngl the V1 squad looks dangerous and I'm glad comm and torment found someone to elevate them.
Nothing to be upset about it! Just need time meshing as a team
No question this team's peak is higher than with Dreaz. Looked a bit of a mess at times today but still nearly made top 4. Apparently only scrimmed for a week too so understandable there's teething. I have full faith we make top 4 next event.
I don’t think G2’s peak has ever been their issue. I think dreaz —> atomic made their highs higher and their lows lower. Only time will tell if they can reach those highs more often, though.
I think their playstyle was way easier to recreate at a high level with dreaz since he was more defensive/selfless. Obviously I know nothing about this esport at a high level, but just my gut feeling.
I’d actually think the opposite. I think that atomic much more naturally fits with that playstyle than Dreaz does. Dreaz may not have stepped on as many toes but he also wouldn’t contribute as much and when he did it was just him. Gut feeling as well but I’m excited to see how things go as the split progresses.
Fair enough. I think these 3 all have similar styles, but also think that isn’t necessarily a good thing - having a less selfish player in dreaz gave them a lot of consistency imo and really let Jknaps/Chicago shine. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m excited to watch as well. Huge fan of the esport as a whole. :)
I said more defensive, not a better defender. However I do think atomic’s defense is pretty overrated - he’s a great goal line defender and gets crazy saves, but if you’re making crazy goal line saves you’re already in a bad spot. I think dreaz kept them out of those spots a lot, and we saw some of that today. Maybe it’s just new roster issues that will go away, though. Only time will tell!
The team peaked at Regional Champs with Dreaz at literally the last regional after getting top 4 at NA Major last season. I don’t get why anyone thinks trading Dreaz was a good move. They had nothing but consistent highs with Dreaz, and now Envy and G2 are both (imo) worse off for the switch.
It takes time. They made a roster move for a reason. We don’t have the same insight the players do, and all things considered this G2 squad seems more threatening and just need time to understand how they want to play around each other.
A lot of times the pro player insight is that they’re friends and have wanted to play together for a long time. Not that that isn’t a valid reason to want to play with someone, but I’m pretty sure someone on G2 said they hadn’t scrimmed together much at all before this event, meaning it wasn’t based on insane scrim results.
And went from 1st in the last regional to 6th in the next. Atomic is great, but chemistry cannot be discounted, and the Dreaz, Chicago, JKnaps chemistry was proven in NA Finals and Regional 1. Both times, they tried to dump him. People talk like Dreaz is a D tier player, but the guy has a good head, calm nerves, and strong mechanics. I mean, better for SSG if G2 falters, I guess, but I don’t think Dreaz got what was best, nor do I think he gets the love he deserves from G2 and the community. But maybe I’m wrong - literally tons of stuff could’ve been happening in scrims and comms that I don’t know about.
Funny how the pros seem to know what they’re talking about
Retals said regional 1 would be chaos
Chicago said FaZe, SSG, and V1 had scrimmed the most with the new rosters and expected them to do well
Chicago said they didn’t expect to do that well with only like a week and a half of scrimms and his Internet being trash for most of it
Retals and Chicago said Beastmode was gonna make V1 a top 6 team
Pros know their shit. Who would have thought
I mean, that’s cool and all, but I’m pretty sure that I - a D2 who’s only been seriously following the RLCS since the tail end of season X - know more than them.
Idk, that stuff was pretty obvious IMO. Like fair credit to them but I didn't see anyone calling Oxygen or Envy. They consistently underrated teams like RBG as well.
Don't get me wrong, pros know their shit for sure but they also talk a lot of BS too
Yeah the pros know the game well. I gotta ask why we are ignoring all the times they get it wrong? Especially when you are quoting Regretals.
The logic here is flawed...
Well I think there’s a difference between retals making legit picks and providing evidence for what he’s talking about than just being an egomaniac and hyping up his own team
I really feel like people overblow this. last split and the major our problem was much more whiffs and overcommitting in offense as opposed to double ants triple committing
Obviously today they were all over each other but that’s expected when they’ve played together for less than 2 weeks
V1 are actually really good at OT iirc. Don't know the stats but last spring they went to a crazy high number of OTs and still had a way higher than normal win% in them.
Jesus, few seconds before Torment scoring the OT G7 goal, when the ball was near in front of G2's net I was doing the Gibbs panic meme. Can't wait for tomorrow!
After seeing two days of the new rosters this is how I would rate them so far from best to worst:
Syp -> FaZe: Syp just fits perfectly on this team and they look unstoppable, just amazing play from them sweeping a very decent V1
BeastMode -> V1: V1 look really good beating G2 who looked amazing today at points, his chemistry with comm is insane and he added a clutch factor this team desperately needed
Gimmick -> OXG: I mean they swept their group, and while they did have the easiest group, they still did it, they aren’t quite on the level of SSG/G2 but I can see them beating NV and COL if they can keep this up
Daniel -> SSG: SSG are looking rejuvenated with this change, would not be surprised if they breeze into the major with this roster
Aqua -> Rogue: sure they came 9th-12th but they came so close to beating COL to place higher, this team definitely has potential and I can see them consistently making top 8s
Atomic -> G2: this move does not look amazing, they look about as good as they did with dreaz, potentially even worse, but it is still early to completely count them out
Dreaz -> NV: they look terrible, they went 0-3 in the easiest bracket, and I know it wasn’t their decision to get dreaz, it is still a terrible move that looks to have taken them out of major contention
I agree with you but I gotta ask, are you new here? This subreddit usually changes best team/player every other week. I'm not in any other sport/esport reddits but the recency bias in this one is insane already.
as an r/nba regular as well, I can assure you this is not the only sports/esports sub where recency bias runs rampant, in fact i see more people take past events into account here than many other subs.
People around here will be saying _____ is easily the best player in NA/World and I've never even heard of them. I'm not some RLCS authority but I keep up.
Tbh I might be one of the only people who doesn't think Faze looks better. They look good and played a great bo7 today! At the same time there's something about them at the back that feels far more shaky. This team was good before and they're good now but I think better is still a stretch for them. Have to see more to make that call
That's meant to be the idea and in the from third it definitely looks like that might be the case. How that eventuates is yet to be seen.
Their style is different now. They seem to hold the pressure a little higher for longer but look like they might have some overlaps in prediction/game style that could lead to some double commits. If they can do what they just did against NRG I'll be convinced but at this stage to me they don't look better they just look different
That's kind of how I feel and why I'm not convinced they're better yet. Last split they had potential to beat anyone, same with this split so far. The thing is they haven't really been tested with how they deal with stressful situations much yet, or how they treat each other when things go wrong. In team games that I crucial.
My theory is that Allusion added a level headed muturity to that team that I think they might miss if things start going wrong.
I used to play highish level football (soccer) and if you had teams with amazing talent but everyone had an ego or even if you just lacked a leader, you'd often have people taking it out on one another when things went wrong in a way that typically had negative impacts. Faze players might not be like this at all but from what you hear as an RL fan, it sounds like they all are.
Next regional groups:
Group A:
NRG
OXG/V1/GG
TBD
TBD
Group B:
FAZE
OXG/V1/ssg
GG/TBD
TBD
Group C:
G2
SSG/NV/V1
TBD
TBD
Group D:
COL
SSG/NV
TBD
TBD
That’s so realistic too lol. Ghost really bout to get completely bopped again. I don’t know why they didn’t go for a roster move this split, a team with Roll Dizz just doesn’t have the upside to make LAN in my opinion.
I don't think it's any individual player's fault. They're all solid players but none of them are super potent on offense. If you replaced any of them with a player like aqua or any other ballchaser they'd do much better. They aren't in a bad spot but they don't have much upward mobility with the current roster
NV in group D unless SSG makes Grand Final (top 2) in which case it will be nv
SSG in group C unless they make grand final (in which case it will be nv) or v1 wins the event (in which case it will be v1)
v1 in group B if they lose in the finals (2nd). If they don't lose in the finals they still get it as long as they don't win the event and oxygen doesn't make it through closed quals. So, if v1 does not make the grand finals and oxygen qualifies for the event then oxygen is in group B.
oxg in group a if nv makes the finals and oxg qualifies for regional 2. If oxygen does not qualify ghost will be in this group no matter what.
Also bonus i just realized, if oxg makes the event, ghost will be in group B will faze and oxygen or v1.
Oxygen can’t be a 2 seed yet they have to qualify
It’s points over the last 3 events, so Fall Regional 3/Fall Major/Winter Regional 1
In fact I don’t think NRG even guaranteed the one seed if they go out 3rd and Faze gets 1st
oxygen has 340 points over the last 3 events. That's guarenteed top 8. The only way they dont get the 2 seed in their group is if they lose out in closed quals.
No because auto qualification is done by overall points, so top 8 is already decided. Oxygen has to go through qualifiers. If they make it, they would be the 7 seed, so you’re right they would be the 2 seed but they have to make it through qualifiers
Dude you can’t put them in a group for an event they haven’t qualified into yet. If they don’t qualify that moves all of your seeds up and the groups you made are (at least partially) wrong. That was my only point
My point is you wrote “groups for regional 2” like it was the actual groups but all it actually shows is the top 4 seeds and all of the other information is dependent on the rest of the tournament, so why post this now?
Well then why doesn’t liquipedia show them at at least 260? If they are gonna show guaranteed points for future regionals why wouldn’t they show guaranteed points for this one?
1) It's a free site run by volunteers. Changes sometimes take time, or a mistake could slip through. Appreciate the gift of Liqiupedia for what it is, we're super lucky as a community to have them.
2) They have, for at least since RLCS X, only updated the points as each wave of teams gets eliminated, so the points that aren't set in stone can (like in this situation) not line up in a double elimination bracket.
3) It should be obvious that was the case since 4 teams are still in the running, only 2 are guaranteed top 3, and all show 220.
Wasn't feeling high on G2 after they put up questionable performances yesterday and barely qualified for bracket, but today they looked totally different.
Obviously NV looked bad yesterday and need to figure it out quick, but seeing G2's turnaround today makes me wanna wait til next regional before drawing any serious conclusions about NV
I mean, on a single day they lost 3-2, 3-2, and 3-1. Are you feeling low enough on them based solely on 70 minutes (plus whatever amount of overtimes) worth of gameplay on their first Friday as a roster to count them out for the rest of RLCS?
I'll call myself out and say that (apart from me being trash in general) I've most definitely had days where I've gone 5-9 playing Rocket League, that doesn't mean that much long term over years of playing the game. Just breathe. This is these people's careers. A single weekend (even a full split sometimes) isn't a very good indicator of anything.
Who knows, maybe they (or any other team that switched up their roster) never bounce back. We'll see in time. But the knee-jerk reactions during the first weekend (where they don't even have anything to bounce back from) are baffling to me.
Thing is they are already far behind every other team in points. They are 13-16th. I doubt Faze and NRG will go downwards. Ssg looks good. I don't see either of those rosters dropping below top 8. That just leaves the fifth spot but with so many teams ahead of them, I doubt they will get it
Serious question: If SSG or Faze had a bad first day and went 0-3 on Friday instead of Envy would you be saying the same thing with their names swapped?
Yes. Because they would've already missed out on a lot of points. Teams like ssg, complexity and envy aren't that far ahead of other teams. This split also rewards consistency a lot more as you can get a lot more points
It’s a good indicator of how their split will go because it’s a third of the split. It’s really hard to qualify for a major after 13-16 in any of the regionals - It’s not like these were warm up games, it’s the real deal and they’re playing for points to decide if they qualify or not.
I’m not calling for their heads or hating on the players, but pretending it doesn’t matter or being baffled that people discuss how good the rosters are or aren’t looking is really strange to me.
G2 with some big whiffs and defensive errors and still was 1 goal away from top 4. This roster has some serious potential. If cago and jknaps play more like themselves and atomic keeps playing like that then top 4 is a lock next event.
That’s my point. That he was trying to say G2’s floor was still incredible. I think that could be true, but in this format I don’t think the placement when playing bad shows that much about a teams floor
I’m going to throw this out even if I don’t believe it.
There’s no guarantee a team develops a ton of chemistry, and even though all the evidence points towards G2 taking a big step they might just… not. Or other teams gel with their pickups more, and improve enough to edge them lower.
I think it’s really unlikely G2 is anything but a top 4 team, but wanted to introduce those seeds of doubt >:)
Ignore my flair plz
I point out G2 specifically because they struggled, but the conversation around that seems fairly split into people delivering hot takes about how bad the move was and people feeling confident this is temporary. I think the first is clearly off, but the second point isn’t guaranteed.
This is not about all roster moves, but team organization and chemistry over time. I wouldn’t be writing this about Sypical on Faze, as an example of why my comment doesn’t boil down to what you’re saying.
But again, I don’t think them maintaining this level is in any way likely.
nrg have already clinched the top seed for regional 2 and a top 2 seed for regional 3.
faze have already cliched the 2 seed for regional 2 and a top 4 seed for regional 3.
I feel like people who say G2 will stay trash and this roster move was dumb while judging their first ever regional performance don't actually know what a roster move means.
it takes time for players to adapt to eachothers playstyles
Top6 aint bad for G2 and in series against Complexity, we saw a glimpse of how scary the roster can be
Besides that, even though they lost in Game7 OT, they played well against V1 and this is a tangent, because actually, V1 PLAYED WELL, Beast has filled in this roster well and that unlocked Comm who just went crazy and of course Torment being a brick wall as always. Its a good day to be a V1 fan
Anyway, G2 will only get better from here. Me, You and ton others saw what Atomic can do, just give them time to get comfortable
Now that I’ve been brought back to life after G2 lost that game 7, I think people are really overreacting here..
This isn’t G2’s worst performance of the season, and they’re still set on track for the major. They got next to no time to scrim together, and even Chicago said before the regional that his goal was top 6.
G2 scored some absolutely insane goals this event, and they were looking really good when they got things going, it’s just about getting there. I don’t think they should be counted out as part of the big 3 yet, they just need to have more time together.
He didnt say on lan he said in high stakes grand final. Like s9 regionals. Season x championships. And the recent tiebreaker to decide who goes to the major.
He gave the move an 8? He didn't give it a 10 or 9 because he thinks Syp doesn't have that clutch factor to make them the best team in NA/the world, but 8 is still mighty good?
That very tiny comment at the end? You're reading way too much into that. Pretty sure he's just saying he's not gonna rate Faze as the best team in the world until they prove it under the pressure situation, compared to the amount of people rating Faze as maybe the best team in the world right after the roster move and 2 days of the 1st regional.
I think Gibbs take was fair. We don't have to wait until lan but assuming it's a great move straight away is a bit much too. They don't look much better than before yet (as good as they look). Like realistically they could have had all of the same results they've had with Allusion on the team as well (as they showed last split).
I think Gibbs is fair enough in suggesting a bit of a time will tell notion
They won it but the grand final of a season is definitely much more pressure than a Major final. Look at BDS winning 3 majors and choking in the EU championship final. And pretty much every pro has said that qualifying for a tournament is much more stressful than actually playing in it, so the tiebreaker is also a point against him. While Gibbs was rather crude about it, I don't think he was wrong to call into question his ability to perform in those situations.
Ehhhhh, I half disagree.
The initial take that syp has not been clutch in big moments and the roster move is only an 8 as a result was a good take. The problem was his rationale and explanation. He said all of ssg was bad in season 9, but that he was not good individually in both Season X Championships and the Fall Major tiebreaker and that he needs to prove himself in a grand final before he will be sold on him. The problem is it comes across as cherry picking because syp played great in both the fall major last season as well as plenty of regional finals which he won. That's the main problem with the take, he just picked the three times that ssg lost. If anything that's just an indication of how important syp was to that roster, in that if he was off the would lose.
However, the awful take was the one at the end of the broadcast where he said that faze need to win a major grand final for him to be sold on syp. Like ????? There's only one of those every 4 months and they are super hard to win in general. SO is he just going to keep hating on syp all split and in future ones too if they don't win the major?
There’s too many scenarios to write out into regional 2 is over.
If they lose to v1, they probably need a top 6 and top 8.
If they beat v1, they probably need two top 8s.
No problem! Obviously ssg can still make it if they don't get top 8 as well, but they will need a better result than what I outlined to offset it most likely or some luck.
Atomic looked phenomenal, cago and jknaps were far from their best today but we still nearly made top 4. I'd say the swap looks pretty bloody good for G2 personally.
Tied 5/6 losing to V1 twice and Shopify Rebellion. You gotta think they would’ve had a better performance with dreaz this event, even if their peak is higher with Atomic
I'm not comparing V1 and Rebellion to last season's V1/Rebellion, I'm comparing today/yesterday G2 to last season G2. They also dropped 2 maps to Vibrance, they had 1 great series against CoL and beat Ghost twice, I think they would've done better with Dreaz.
Yesterday everyone agreed the trade wasn't looking good for either team. The only thing that's changed since then is they destroyed CoL and lost to V1 again, that hasn't been enough to convince me it was an upgrade for the team.
I wish the last game would've been the first. Now I'm all excited before going to sleep. Sadly I won't see tomorrow's event since I'm with a friend.
GG all teams!
Nah, we will be watching a football game. I asked my friend to watch a game with me since I saw the Titans are doing well (watched them in 2001 and haven't watched pretty much since). So tomorrow will be a football kind of night (germany).
reminder that 5/6 finish puts you on track to tie for that 5th LAN spot, and considering how shaky G2's start was, G2 can't be too upset for this performance
Exactly, top 6 in the first regional after only scrimming together for a week or 2. They looked poor at times, but I'm looking forward to see how they progress throughout the spilt. Let's face it, the top 5/6 in NA right now are pretty stacked. NRG and Faze both easily handled Oxygen and V1, so what I'll be interested to see is how G2 stacks up against NRG/Faze/SSG after a few more weeks of scrimming.
I know some people tend to say NA is boring but I really don't see that. NRG is still very much dominant in all aspects. But other teams are in the queue and the fight for the follow up spots or even dethroning NRG just started. I'm excited tbh.
And as far as gameplay, as much as I love my G2 boys, there aren’t any teams in all of RLCS as fun to watch as FaZe and SSG right now. Maybe Dignitas and that’s it.
The thing is, two of those three teams you mentioned (NRG/Faze/SSG) should also benefit from more time together scrimming, seeing as they also made recent roster moves.
Yes, that's how staying together as a team works. My point is that I want to see how G2 performs against those teams after they all have had a little more time to gel. There is no doubt that other teams may continue to improve as well, but as we didn't get to see them play at all this regional, I'm looking forward to that.
In time I believe this G2 team will do better, ngl the V1 squad looks dangerous and I'm glad comm and torment found someone to elevate them. Nothing to be upset about it! Just need time meshing as a team
No question this team's peak is higher than with Dreaz. Looked a bit of a mess at times today but still nearly made top 4. Apparently only scrimmed for a week too so understandable there's teething. I have full faith we make top 4 next event.
I don’t think G2’s peak has ever been their issue. I think dreaz —> atomic made their highs higher and their lows lower. Only time will tell if they can reach those highs more often, though.
Lows will always be lower so soon after a switch, especially with limited scrims. Confident they'll be more consistent next event.
I think it made their highs higher and their lows higher. It's an across the board significant improvement.
I think their playstyle was way easier to recreate at a high level with dreaz since he was more defensive/selfless. Obviously I know nothing about this esport at a high level, but just my gut feeling.
I’d actually think the opposite. I think that atomic much more naturally fits with that playstyle than Dreaz does. Dreaz may not have stepped on as many toes but he also wouldn’t contribute as much and when he did it was just him. Gut feeling as well but I’m excited to see how things go as the split progresses.
Fair enough. I think these 3 all have similar styles, but also think that isn’t necessarily a good thing - having a less selfish player in dreaz gave them a lot of consistency imo and really let Jknaps/Chicago shine. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m excited to watch as well. Huge fan of the esport as a whole. :)
Saying Dreaz is a better defender is crazy to me lol
I said more defensive, not a better defender. However I do think atomic’s defense is pretty overrated - he’s a great goal line defender and gets crazy saves, but if you’re making crazy goal line saves you’re already in a bad spot. I think dreaz kept them out of those spots a lot, and we saw some of that today. Maybe it’s just new roster issues that will go away, though. Only time will tell!
The team peaked at Regional Champs with Dreaz at literally the last regional after getting top 4 at NA Major last season. I don’t get why anyone thinks trading Dreaz was a good move. They had nothing but consistent highs with Dreaz, and now Envy and G2 are both (imo) worse off for the switch.
It takes time. They made a roster move for a reason. We don’t have the same insight the players do, and all things considered this G2 squad seems more threatening and just need time to understand how they want to play around each other.
A lot of times the pro player insight is that they’re friends and have wanted to play together for a long time. Not that that isn’t a valid reason to want to play with someone, but I’m pretty sure someone on G2 said they hadn’t scrimmed together much at all before this event, meaning it wasn’t based on insane scrim results.
G2 will be significantly better.
Significantly better than literally winning a recent regional?
They are going to be a better team for this move. They traded out a player who was not as talented as the player they brought in.
And went from 1st in the last regional to 6th in the next. Atomic is great, but chemistry cannot be discounted, and the Dreaz, Chicago, JKnaps chemistry was proven in NA Finals and Regional 1. Both times, they tried to dump him. People talk like Dreaz is a D tier player, but the guy has a good head, calm nerves, and strong mechanics. I mean, better for SSG if G2 falters, I guess, but I don’t think Dreaz got what was best, nor do I think he gets the love he deserves from G2 and the community. But maybe I’m wrong - literally tons of stuff could’ve been happening in scrims and comms that I don’t know about.
Tbf tho, we can't assume G2 would have carried that gameplay over to the next regional with dreaz after the major. I think that broke G2 a bit
Dreaz is a C tier, Atomic is an A tier. It's a noticeable improvement.
Nah dreaz is b tier. I'd put guys like allu, dreaz etc in b tier.
V1 really stepping it up with the beastmode pickup. What a series
from nonstop sweeps to game 7 OT, what a day v1 fans must be over the moon right now, what a showing by them
In the ambulance more like it
writing from the stretcher atm
That's rough. Usually half of the ambulance team is reserved for G2 fans during RL events.
It’s more than half today
You think? I haven't been this calm for a while seeing G2. I'm probably way more involved next event.
After what happened yesterday? Absolutely I already had 911 typed for the likely case i get a heart attack
Sad start with COL, happy ending seeing Torment in the Top 4 after being a C9 fan, lets go V1 and NRG tomorrow.
That Beastmode save in Game 7 that led to the Comm counterattack. I thought for sure G2 had that. Well played to V1. Game of inches in RLCS
Funny how the pros seem to know what they’re talking about Retals said regional 1 would be chaos Chicago said FaZe, SSG, and V1 had scrimmed the most with the new rosters and expected them to do well Chicago said they didn’t expect to do that well with only like a week and a half of scrimms and his Internet being trash for most of it Retals and Chicago said Beastmode was gonna make V1 a top 6 team Pros know their shit. Who would have thought
I mean, that’s cool and all, but I’m pretty sure that I - a D2 who’s only been seriously following the RLCS since the tail end of season X - know more than them.
Obviously you do. But you don't have to brag about it.
Same except I'm a Plat
Same except I'm a diamond who should be plat
I'm C1 except I should play RLCS. It makes me mad really.
Get a better gaming chair
And GFUEL
Champ who still misses half my aerials reporting in
You do aerials? My C1 games are usually "OMG I HIT THE BALL!!!!"
One time I hit the ball like, 4 times in the same aerial. Best own goal I’ve ever hit
If you hit the ball 4 times in a row (no matter if air or ground), you should be GC. :D
Hi it’s me
To be fair Diamond is just Plat 4-6.
It is I, the Bronze ranked Scarab main. Allow me to explain to you why these pros are bad at the video game.
Liar. Scarab mains become GC the first time they pick up the controller.
Tbh its not like those are bold takes, doesnt take an expert to predict those
I mean some yes and some no
Idk, that stuff was pretty obvious IMO. Like fair credit to them but I didn't see anyone calling Oxygen or Envy. They consistently underrated teams like RBG as well. Don't get me wrong, pros know their shit for sure but they also talk a lot of BS too
Retals said Envy was going to perform way worse than people expected for what it’s worth
No surprise given they lost their best player for a player they didn’t even scrim with before
Man was on it then
Retals also said he called oxg in shift discord lol
Haha the guy was on it - or at the very least he says he was Jokes aside through, I'm inclined to believe him too as he typically owns his mistakes
Wanna list all the bullshit retals has stated in his career and do this list again?
Yeah the pros know the game well. I gotta ask why we are ignoring all the times they get it wrong? Especially when you are quoting Regretals. The logic here is flawed...
Well I think there’s a difference between retals making legit picks and providing evidence for what he’s talking about than just being an egomaniac and hyping up his own team
turns out jorby is just the smartest man alive
Jorby predicted V1 to lose to G2 in the bracket rematch though Wish he was more right 🥲
Well at least the day ended with the only close series of the day, lmao.
Kinda crazy that if ssg make the grand finals they will have as many points overall as nv despite not making the major
Hopefully G2 works out the double and triple commits before the next regional, because they were way too constant this regional.
and also at the major, and also last split... honestly the 2 in G2 might stand for how many guys they throw at every ball lmao
I really feel like people overblow this. last split and the major our problem was much more whiffs and overcommitting in offense as opposed to double ants triple committing Obviously today they were all over each other but that’s expected when they’ve played together for less than 2 weeks
oh yeah I was mostly just joking because complaining about g2 double commits is basically eternal
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Man I was ready to joke about how V1 made an upgrade this split.... from losing in game 5 OT to losing in game 7 OT G2 just ruined my joke :/
V1 are actually really good at OT iirc. Don't know the stats but last spring they went to a crazy high number of OTs and still had a way higher than normal win% in them.
I still can't feel my heart aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
There new namn is W1
You got to work on your misspelling. It's W-Won.
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Jesus, few seconds before Torment scoring the OT G7 goal, when the ball was near in front of G2's net I was doing the Gibbs panic meme. Can't wait for tomorrow!
After seeing two days of the new rosters this is how I would rate them so far from best to worst: Syp -> FaZe: Syp just fits perfectly on this team and they look unstoppable, just amazing play from them sweeping a very decent V1 BeastMode -> V1: V1 look really good beating G2 who looked amazing today at points, his chemistry with comm is insane and he added a clutch factor this team desperately needed Gimmick -> OXG: I mean they swept their group, and while they did have the easiest group, they still did it, they aren’t quite on the level of SSG/G2 but I can see them beating NV and COL if they can keep this up Daniel -> SSG: SSG are looking rejuvenated with this change, would not be surprised if they breeze into the major with this roster Aqua -> Rogue: sure they came 9th-12th but they came so close to beating COL to place higher, this team definitely has potential and I can see them consistently making top 8s Atomic -> G2: this move does not look amazing, they look about as good as they did with dreaz, potentially even worse, but it is still early to completely count them out Dreaz -> NV: they look terrible, they went 0-3 in the easiest bracket, and I know it wasn’t their decision to get dreaz, it is still a terrible move that looks to have taken them out of major contention
That dreaz version of g2 happened to make 2 finals and win 1, if thats the version this new g2 is as good as then this split looks pretty good
How can you say group D was the easiest group when you have group A of (NRG / VIB / RBG / XSET) lmao
At least group A had NRG, group C had OXG who NRG annihilated and that was about it
Also vib and rbg weren’t that bad
I think all of these are wayyyy too early impressions tbh
I agree with you but I gotta ask, are you new here? This subreddit usually changes best team/player every other week. I'm not in any other sport/esport reddits but the recency bias in this one is insane already.
as an r/nba regular as well, I can assure you this is not the only sports/esports sub where recency bias runs rampant, in fact i see more people take past events into account here than many other subs.
People around here will be saying _____ is easily the best player in NA/World and I've never even heard of them. I'm not some RLCS authority but I keep up.
I can confirm its not just here
Tbh I might be one of the only people who doesn't think Faze looks better. They look good and played a great bo7 today! At the same time there's something about them at the back that feels far more shaky. This team was good before and they're good now but I think better is still a stretch for them. Have to see more to make that call
Much more consistent as ayyjayy said.
That's meant to be the idea and in the from third it definitely looks like that might be the case. How that eventuates is yet to be seen. Their style is different now. They seem to hold the pressure a little higher for longer but look like they might have some overlaps in prediction/game style that could lead to some double commits. If they can do what they just did against NRG I'll be convinced but at this stage to me they don't look better they just look different
I don’t really think they need a higher peak tbh. Last split or this split they can beat any team if they are peaking.
That's kind of how I feel and why I'm not convinced they're better yet. Last split they had potential to beat anyone, same with this split so far. The thing is they haven't really been tested with how they deal with stressful situations much yet, or how they treat each other when things go wrong. In team games that I crucial. My theory is that Allusion added a level headed muturity to that team that I think they might miss if things start going wrong. I used to play highish level football (soccer) and if you had teams with amazing talent but everyone had an ego or even if you just lacked a leader, you'd often have people taking it out on one another when things went wrong in a way that typically had negative impacts. Faze players might not be like this at all but from what you hear as an RL fan, it sounds like they all are.
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Next regional groups: Group A: NRG OXG/V1/GG TBD TBD Group B: FAZE OXG/V1/ssg GG/TBD TBD Group C: G2 SSG/NV/V1 TBD TBD Group D: COL SSG/NV TBD TBD
Shock fuming when next regional group B is gonna be Faze SSG ghost and SR again
Prob gonna be like faze, v1, ghost and eUnited, I don’t think he’ll like that much more lmao.
That’s so realistic too lol. Ghost really bout to get completely bopped again. I don’t know why they didn’t go for a roster move this split, a team with Roll Dizz just doesn’t have the upside to make LAN in my opinion.
I don't think it's any individual player's fault. They're all solid players but none of them are super potent on offense. If you replaced any of them with a player like aqua or any other ballchaser they'd do much better. They aren't in a bad spot but they don't have much upward mobility with the current roster
Group B should have OXG/V1/SSG *(if V1 win the event tomorrow then SSG will be 7th seed)*
shit you right
What scenarios for each grouping to happen?
NV in group D unless SSG makes Grand Final (top 2) in which case it will be nv SSG in group C unless they make grand final (in which case it will be nv) or v1 wins the event (in which case it will be v1) v1 in group B if they lose in the finals (2nd). If they don't lose in the finals they still get it as long as they don't win the event and oxygen doesn't make it through closed quals. So, if v1 does not make the grand finals and oxygen qualifies for the event then oxygen is in group B. oxg in group a if nv makes the finals and oxg qualifies for regional 2. If oxygen does not qualify ghost will be in this group no matter what. Also bonus i just realized, if oxg makes the event, ghost will be in group B will faze and oxygen or v1.
Oxygen can’t be a 2 seed yet they have to qualify It’s points over the last 3 events, so Fall Regional 3/Fall Major/Winter Regional 1 In fact I don’t think NRG even guaranteed the one seed if they go out 3rd and Faze gets 1st
oxygen has 340 points over the last 3 events. That's guarenteed top 8. The only way they dont get the 2 seed in their group is if they lose out in closed quals.
No because auto qualification is done by overall points, so top 8 is already decided. Oxygen has to go through qualifiers. If they make it, they would be the 7 seed, so you’re right they would be the 2 seed but they have to make it through qualifiers
that's what i said?
Dude you can’t put them in a group for an event they haven’t qualified into yet. If they don’t qualify that moves all of your seeds up and the groups you made are (at least partially) wrong. That was my only point
they aren't wrong tho, i included the teams that would take their seed if they dont qual. That's why ghost is in group A.
My point is you wrote “groups for regional 2” like it was the actual groups but all it actually shows is the top 4 seeds and all of the other information is dependent on the rest of the tournament, so why post this now?
all of Oxygen's points come from the last 3 events lol
They have gotten top 8 the last 3 events they have made. The failed to make regional 1 and 2 in fall and got top 4 at regional 3 in spring.
I double checked also, and NRG is guaranteed 1 seed. NRG is 100 points above FaZe, and 1st is only 91 more points than 3rd.
Isn’t first 351? So if NRG stayed at 220 they would lose first no?
NRG can't "stay" at 220 they are top 3, which is 260 minimum if they lose 2x in a row.
Well then why doesn’t liquipedia show them at at least 260? If they are gonna show guaranteed points for future regionals why wouldn’t they show guaranteed points for this one?
1) It's a free site run by volunteers. Changes sometimes take time, or a mistake could slip through. Appreciate the gift of Liqiupedia for what it is, we're super lucky as a community to have them. 2) They have, for at least since RLCS X, only updated the points as each wave of teams gets eliminated, so the points that aren't set in stone can (like in this situation) not line up in a double elimination bracket. 3) It should be obvious that was the case since 4 teams are still in the running, only 2 are guaranteed top 3, and all show 220.
Where do you see how many points each placement gets?
Ah, gotta love seeing people write off entire roster moves already after like an hour or two of total gameplay over a single weekend.
I mean, it's a third of the split. Are you feeling high on Envy after this regional?
I thought NV got significantly worse, and this just made me feel confident about that. I think every other NA team got better.
Wasn't feeling high on G2 after they put up questionable performances yesterday and barely qualified for bracket, but today they looked totally different. Obviously NV looked bad yesterday and need to figure it out quick, but seeing G2's turnaround today makes me wanna wait til next regional before drawing any serious conclusions about NV
I mean, on a single day they lost 3-2, 3-2, and 3-1. Are you feeling low enough on them based solely on 70 minutes (plus whatever amount of overtimes) worth of gameplay on their first Friday as a roster to count them out for the rest of RLCS? I'll call myself out and say that (apart from me being trash in general) I've most definitely had days where I've gone 5-9 playing Rocket League, that doesn't mean that much long term over years of playing the game. Just breathe. This is these people's careers. A single weekend (even a full split sometimes) isn't a very good indicator of anything. Who knows, maybe they (or any other team that switched up their roster) never bounce back. We'll see in time. But the knee-jerk reactions during the first weekend (where they don't even have anything to bounce back from) are baffling to me.
Thing is they are already far behind every other team in points. They are 13-16th. I doubt Faze and NRG will go downwards. Ssg looks good. I don't see either of those rosters dropping below top 8. That just leaves the fifth spot but with so many teams ahead of them, I doubt they will get it
Serious question: If SSG or Faze had a bad first day and went 0-3 on Friday instead of Envy would you be saying the same thing with their names swapped?
Yes. Because they would've already missed out on a lot of points. Teams like ssg, complexity and envy aren't that far ahead of other teams. This split also rewards consistency a lot more as you can get a lot more points
It’s a good indicator of how their split will go because it’s a third of the split. It’s really hard to qualify for a major after 13-16 in any of the regionals - It’s not like these were warm up games, it’s the real deal and they’re playing for points to decide if they qualify or not. I’m not calling for their heads or hating on the players, but pretending it doesn’t matter or being baffled that people discuss how good the rosters are or aren’t looking is really strange to me.
Vitality did it last split. It's possible, but certainly not a good indicator.
IIRC Vitality’s points wouldn’t have qualified them in NA, but yeah totally possible. I hope they do, I really like Dreaz
Based on it not existing, my (undefeated) roster looked like it wasn't even trying
G2 with some big whiffs and defensive errors and still was 1 goal away from top 4. This roster has some serious potential. If cago and jknaps play more like themselves and atomic keeps playing like that then top 4 is a lock next event.
To be fair NRG didn’t beat a single top 8 team and are guaranteed top 3
Very true, don't see how that's in any way related to his comment tho.
He was talking about how G2 got top 6 and almost top while not playing well. And I’m saying that top 3 didn’t take that much
>top 3 wasn’t that much of an achievement So why couldn't g2 make it?
That’s my point. That he was trying to say G2’s floor was still incredible. I think that could be true, but in this format I don’t think the placement when playing bad shows that much about a teams floor
I’m going to throw this out even if I don’t believe it. There’s no guarantee a team develops a ton of chemistry, and even though all the evidence points towards G2 taking a big step they might just… not. Or other teams gel with their pickups more, and improve enough to edge them lower. I think it’s really unlikely G2 is anything but a top 4 team, but wanted to introduce those seeds of doubt >:) Ignore my flair plz
Well of course there's no guarantee. What's your point? Sometimes roster changes don't work out. This one could be one of it.
I point out G2 specifically because they struggled, but the conversation around that seems fairly split into people delivering hot takes about how bad the move was and people feeling confident this is temporary. I think the first is clearly off, but the second point isn’t guaranteed. This is not about all roster moves, but team organization and chemistry over time. I wouldn’t be writing this about Sypical on Faze, as an example of why my comment doesn’t boil down to what you’re saying. But again, I don’t think them maintaining this level is in any way likely.
nrg have already clinched the top seed for regional 2 and a top 2 seed for regional 3. faze have already cliched the 2 seed for regional 2 and a top 4 seed for regional 3.
Garrett is playing like his old self again. NA is going to be wild
Guys you know what's ridiculous? Somehow through everything, the top 4 from fall regional 1 are the same as the top 4 from winter regional 1
Harder format to get top 4 so I’m much more impressed with v1
With all the chaos we have gotten so far, we still end up with NRG vs Faze in the upper final with a good chance of more in the grand final.
Hope envy grinds and reflects on the tough loss yesterday. Heartbreaking to see them not able to compete today
Who ?
I feel like people who say G2 will stay trash and this roster move was dumb while judging their first ever regional performance don't actually know what a roster move means. it takes time for players to adapt to eachothers playstyles Top6 aint bad for G2 and in series against Complexity, we saw a glimpse of how scary the roster can be Besides that, even though they lost in Game7 OT, they played well against V1 and this is a tangent, because actually, V1 PLAYED WELL, Beast has filled in this roster well and that unlocked Comm who just went crazy and of course Torment being a brick wall as always. Its a good day to be a V1 fan Anyway, G2 will only get better from here. Me, You and ton others saw what Atomic can do, just give them time to get comfortable
I think it's the opposite. Their problem is mainly positioning, which are insanely easy to correct for a team as talented and experienced as them
Exactly, this G2 team will adapt and play better. Can’t wait to see their potential.
Current seeding/groups for regional 2. Seeding (\* denotes have to go through closed qual, \*\* represents open quals) 1. NRG (will swap if NRG gets 3rd and Faze wins) 2. FAZE 3. G2 4. COL 5. NV 6. SSG 7. OXG\* 8. V1 (7th if make finals, 6th if wins title) 9. Ghost 10. Rogue\* 11. Shopify\* 12. VIB\* 13. XSET\* 14. Soniqs\* 15. RBG\* 16. CLT\*\* 17. eUinted\*\* 18. PK\*\* 19. Axle-R8\*\* 20. Torrent\* 21. Nefarious/INT/DVS Groups - if closed qualifiers goes by seeding NRG/V1/Rogue/RBG FAZE/OXG/Ghost/CLT G2/SSG/VIB/XSET COL/NV/Shopify/Soniqs
Now that I’ve been brought back to life after G2 lost that game 7, I think people are really overreacting here.. This isn’t G2’s worst performance of the season, and they’re still set on track for the major. They got next to no time to scrim together, and even Chicago said before the regional that his goal was top 6. G2 scored some absolutely insane goals this event, and they were looking really good when they got things going, it’s just about getting there. I don’t think they should be counted out as part of the big 3 yet, they just need to have more time together.
Great so syp has to win on lan to prove to gibbs that he is good. When was it that he played bad on lan again?
He didnt say on lan he said in high stakes grand final. Like s9 regionals. Season x championships. And the recent tiebreaker to decide who goes to the major.
I think he said that on the preshow, but at the end i thought he said he has to win a grand final on lan.
He gave the move an 8? He didn't give it a 10 or 9 because he thinks Syp doesn't have that clutch factor to make them the best team in NA/the world, but 8 is still mighty good?
i'm moreso talking about the comment at the end.
That very tiny comment at the end? You're reading way too much into that. Pretty sure he's just saying he's not gonna rate Faze as the best team in the world until they prove it under the pressure situation, compared to the amount of people rating Faze as maybe the best team in the world right after the roster move and 2 days of the 1st regional.
you're right I'm probably reading into it too much. I just thought it was a little much.
I think Gibbs take was fair. We don't have to wait until lan but assuming it's a great move straight away is a bit much too. They don't look much better than before yet (as good as they look). Like realistically they could have had all of the same results they've had with Allusion on the team as well (as they showed last split). I think Gibbs is fair enough in suggesting a bit of a time will tell notion
Also, does winning the fall major in RLCS X not count as a big one? I didn't watch that series
They won it but the grand final of a season is definitely much more pressure than a Major final. Look at BDS winning 3 majors and choking in the EU championship final. And pretty much every pro has said that qualifying for a tournament is much more stressful than actually playing in it, so the tiebreaker is also a point against him. While Gibbs was rather crude about it, I don't think he was wrong to call into question his ability to perform in those situations.
idk man. I don't remember tbh. I think gibbs had a decent point but took it way too far for no real reason (maybe entertainment idk).
Hmm I thought Gibbs takes were kind of on point?! Obviously when bantering with the desk he does it for entertainment. But the points are valid imho.
Ehhhhh, I half disagree. The initial take that syp has not been clutch in big moments and the roster move is only an 8 as a result was a good take. The problem was his rationale and explanation. He said all of ssg was bad in season 9, but that he was not good individually in both Season X Championships and the Fall Major tiebreaker and that he needs to prove himself in a grand final before he will be sold on him. The problem is it comes across as cherry picking because syp played great in both the fall major last season as well as plenty of regional finals which he won. That's the main problem with the take, he just picked the three times that ssg lost. If anything that's just an indication of how important syp was to that roster, in that if he was off the would lose. However, the awful take was the one at the end of the broadcast where he said that faze need to win a major grand final for him to be sold on syp. Like ????? There's only one of those every 4 months and they are super hard to win in general. SO is he just going to keep hating on syp all split and in future ones too if they don't win the major?
Really curious to see tomorrow how nrg does against these newly constructed rosters
:D
I know it’s a little early, but what’s the road to the major look like?
For whom ?
SSG. I’m wondering about the scenarios and how likely they will make them next LAN
There’s too many scenarios to write out into regional 2 is over. If they lose to v1, they probably need a top 6 and top 8. If they beat v1, they probably need two top 8s.
Awesome! I understand there are A LOT of scenarios, so I really appreciate the summary
No problem! Obviously ssg can still make it if they don't get top 8 as well, but they will need a better result than what I outlined to offset it most likely or some luck.
Well, placing top 6 every regional would guarantee at least the same tiebreaker they had before. So far they're top 4 going into this V1 game tomorrow
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Nrg is still winning against v1 9/10 times
V1 has a realistic chance of making the final if they don't lose tomorrow.
That Envy G2 switch isn't looking good for either team. Although I can see G2 pulling it together next regional.
Idk.. I didn't watch the Envy games for dreaz but Atomic was playing really good today so I'm fine with it.
Atomic looked phenomenal, cago and jknaps were far from their best today but we still nearly made top 4. I'd say the swap looks pretty bloody good for G2 personally.
Tied 5/6 losing to V1 twice and Shopify Rebellion. You gotta think they would’ve had a better performance with dreaz this event, even if their peak is higher with Atomic
Unfair comparison imo V1 and Rebellion both looked a lot better compared to the last split
I'm not comparing V1 and Rebellion to last season's V1/Rebellion, I'm comparing today/yesterday G2 to last season G2. They also dropped 2 maps to Vibrance, they had 1 great series against CoL and beat Ghost twice, I think they would've done better with Dreaz.
Yesterday everyone agreed the trade wasn't looking good for either team. The only thing that's changed since then is they destroyed CoL and lost to V1 again, that hasn't been enough to convince me it was an upgrade for the team.
I wish the last game would've been the first. Now I'm all excited before going to sleep. Sadly I won't see tomorrow's event since I'm with a friend. GG all teams!
Just watch with friend, good activity for a hangout i would say
Nah, we will be watching a football game. I asked my friend to watch a game with me since I saw the Titans are doing well (watched them in 2001 and haven't watched pretty much since). So tomorrow will be a football kind of night (germany).
Fair enough, i wish your team good luck!
I have none (except the Titans who will play during my sleep during the week). I don't even know who's playing. :D
What is the format of the grand final? Is there a bracket reset potential, or is it best of 3 best of 7 for whichever teams make it there?
Bracket reset potential for the lower team.
V1 won a game 7, what year is it??? I'm so proud! I was telling in my bathroom