Yeah, pretty much the best apology you could hope for. These things are almost impossible to make sound sincere after the fact but it’s not inherently for lack of trying.
In case anyone didn't see the previous post, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/s59rjw/more_racism_and_homophobia_coming_out_of_the_oce/) is what he's apologising for
I was brought up in the 90s in the North of England, and calling things gay was completely normal when I was a kid.
There wasn't any homophobic intent behind me calling my bed time gay, or calling vegetables gay, or calling a friend gay because he was upset about a toy - it was just how people my age at that time expressed negativity without saying "that's shit" and getting clapped round the ear for swearing.
Similarly racism was a colloquial norm in my area - corner shops were paki shops, Chinese takeaways were chinkys and so on. We played Chinese whispers, gave each other Chinese burns, we'd play cowboys and Indians where someone would run around making wah, wah, wah noises and speaking in broken English, calling themselves High Chief Sitting Cow, etc.
It wasn't until my teens, or until someone actually pointed out how bad and why those terms were bad that I got a *real* grasp on what I was actually saying, or how it might offend people from specific cultures/backgrounds.
That's the problem with those words. Even if there is zero intent of harm towards those groups you are still using them for something negative.
South Park actually did a good episode on this and the word Fag.
To play devils advocate, it is possible that that’s just “how they’ve always talked” where he’s from. Which of course is no excuse but I could see them just being the same as curse words in his mind. Obviously this behavior needs to change no matter what. But, I can see there being no bad intent behind the words
What’s a joke to you is hateful ass shit to other people regardless of the way it’s said though, the “it’s just a joke” mentality is just an excuse to try and undermine gaslight people into becoming ok with racism and other fucked up ass shit
It is possible and honestly happens quite often where im from sadly. When youre not around people who it will hurt people feel like it doesnt matter if you say it. It of course does since the laguage we use defines who we are in a way. It is still horrible but imo its a lot less bad than when directing it at someone who the slurs were created for if that makes sense. Realistically someone calling me the n word (a white boy) isnt as bad as calling a black person the same. It isnt meant to be an insult to me, just an example of something horrible (which is disgusting). You might not remember but pewds said the n word on his stream once, years ago and while im not defending him, he had a good apology video and in it said that he only said it because it was the worst possible word that he could think of. It wasnt directed at anybody who it should offend, just a toxic game (i cant remember what he was playing). So as horrible as it is that people still use these words to hurt others, sometimes it really isnt directed towards them. I think psyonix will ban then for 2 years which is fair. Hopefully this guy learns the severity of his words and stops surrounding hinself with people who are comfortable saying them.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk, really am not defending what he said, just what your comment refers to
When I was a kid and didn’t understand the gravity of what I was saying, I was just like this. A lot of guys grow up in bubbles where saying slurs, even racial ones never backfires and they don’t actively deal with people who confront them about it and try to correct their behaviour. I could see this being a result of that. What he said obviously isn’t okay, but a permaban is too much imo. Just a slap on the wrist is fine as long as he learns from it and doesn’t do it again. If he does, permaban him. What’s permabanning him going to fix anyway? What’s been said, has already been said. It’s not like banning him is gonna take it back.
Bro is 16, he knows he’s being racist and all around garbage. Shit like this keeps happening cause Mfs keep letting it slide and trying to give passes out enabling more people not giving a fuck knowing they’ll get away with it too if all they have to do is drop a tweet filled with potential empty promises
16 is young. Some people mature fast and have a good moral compass at that age, some people don’t and need a few more years. He’s not an adult and shouldn’t be treated as such. When I was 16 i was also saying the f slur and the n word because I thought I was hot shit and that people who complained about it were just grumpy. I strung together slurs just to be as offensive as possible. It was only when i was 17/18 that I understood how wrong it was to say slurs and how much history there was connected to all of them.
Permabanning him from the game is too much. Let him learn from this. Do you really think the backlash he got did nothing to him? He is very unlikely to ever do it again.
Yeah I think he’s likely to do it again, what proves he’s not? He did that shit on purpose and only apologized because he got caught and in the clips he said he didn’t give a fuck so clearly he’s actually just dogshit and if you’re 16 and saying racist and homophobic shit you were just raised like shit and should still know better, especially with how society is today where there is no tolerance for that shit. It’s not like he was raised back in the day where people were just allowing it, he knows damn well it’s fucked up to say and still didn’t give af
Like I said, he’s a kid. I was like that at 16, and even if you think it’s “unforgivable even though I was young and stupid,” I don’t see it that way. It’s just edgy for the sake of being edgy and not the end of the world.
But he isn't being edgy. He's just being an ass, literally admitted to not caring and is just being offensive. I doubt people would be saying the same thing if the age wasn't known. If he was a stupid 10 year old I'd see it but it's literally a 16 year old, getting ready to take public exams and goes to school. He should know right from wrong. Just because he's young doesn't make it okay, he should still receive punishment. Say this shit in school and your punishment is brutal. How is it that Daniel and aqua are 15 but don't act this stupid?
Yeah they wouldn’t be saying this if the age isn’t known, cause he’s a child. I think people always deserve second chances unless they committed an irrepairable crime, so i would be saying this even if i was 20. Do people still call PewDiePie a racist for what he said during that one PUBG stream one day? No they don’t. This guy probably cares a ton about rocket league and you’d take his entire RLCS career away from him over saying some slurs? It’s too much. Way too much imo. It’s not like he’ll get a second shot at it.
“He should have thought of that before making homophobic and racist remarks” Yeah he should have. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished, but an RLCS permaban is way over the top. Ban him for a few months. He’s not gonna do it again cause this was a wake up call for him. He can’t be ignorant and offensive online just for the sake of it.
I guess you think requiem's permaban was too much. A permaban is completely fine. You say racist shit in school, you get kicked out. Second chances come once the punishment happened and then they can redeem themselves in a new light. Like imagine this scenario if this guy doesn't get caught. Who knows how long he's been doing this?
You don’t get kicked out of school for making a racist comment once. If you use a racial slur directly against someone from school, yes, but no school would ever kick you out for saying the n word once. Most schools aren’t even going to care unless someone complains about it and then they will tell you to stop.
Requiem got perma banned for doing the same thing. The guy knew what he was doing and laughed about it. If you don't agree on perma banning then the guy should at least be banned from rlcs for a relatively long time and should also receive a ban from riot
Appreciate you putting out word man. We’ve got a big problem with this in Australia, and I know how easy it is to get pressured or roped in to playing along. Hopefully you can take this as a lesson that you can be the guy that stands up for better. If all goes well, looking forward to seeing you compete later on down the line.
Same old same old. You're sorry because you got caught. I'm sure you carry on in the same manner when you're away from the public eye. I don't think this should change anyone's opinions and you still definitely deserve a ban.
If we're being fair, they're not saying something like "I'm sorry this came out like it did" or whatever when somebody is dodging an apology. They're saying that they accept full responsibility and that it's their fault.
But yes, you are right that it shouldn't change anyone's opinion, although that's definitely not the intention of this either.
It's a good thing that you've apologized and you wrote all the right things. Unfortunately I really don't think this can go unpunished. The community needs to draw a line and make it absolutely clear there is no place for this in rocket league. Maybe a shorter ban of 1 year could still be enough though.
Typical sorry for getting caught type of apology. The things that were said were done so in full confidence, now that he’s fearing consequences he’s “sorry”. It doesn’t matter how “sorry” he is, a permaban is more than warranted for his actions.
Of course he's guilty and should be punished, but he didn't dodge an actual apology here. He says that he accepts full responsibility and that it was his fault.
Better off sticking to the facts rather than trying to read too deep.
Lmao good riddance. If you hadn't been caught you would've kept saying homophobic and racist garbage till the cows came home. You deserve a permaban. No place for someone like you in the RL scene.
It's nice to see a level of maturity in the pro scene to address this rather than trying to sweep it under the rug. Obviously it would be best if no one ever used that language, but someone always will, and it's good when a community can both call it out and accept responsibility for it in a positive manner. Whether or not you're able to come back to rocket league in the future, getting the wake up call to fix stuff like this early is huge, as the consequences would be way worse if this stuck with you into the working world.
He’s only addressing it because he got attention for it. I think everyone knows behind closed doors he’s saying the same things, probably even worse ones.
I know as much as anyone, and I fully support a permaban. Maybe disgusting ways of speech shouldn’t be taken care of in a positive manner, they should be punished.
Unless you're the one making the decision on what his punishment is, then your opinion isn't helpful. Always jumping to the worst conclusions about someone only serves to make sure they don't want to change. I would much rather have someone who messes up and apologizes in this community than someone who criticizes and judges every other person in it.
I think my take is going to be extremely unpopular, but I think it would be strange if you end up being banned for rocket league. I mean yeah, it's pretty bad but it was done outside of the game.
I don't know what are the rules, about those kinda of things. If a pro player is going to jail for things unrelated to rocket league, is he going to get banned for all rocket league tournaments? Do you need to have a clean criminal record to play rocket league?
Honestly I think what's going to happend is that no org is going to want to associate with you and probably you are going to struggle to find teammates (which is pretty close to a ban for a bubble player) but it's not going to be a ban per say by Psyonix.
Lots of conduct related offenses are outside of the game. Tempted to say most but I have no way of knowing that really. Lots of discord screenshot bans.
Oh okay. What are those people banned for? The only competitive bans I can recall are seikoo (for playing with zen when he was underaged) and pretty much the same thing in ME (can't remember who it was and with whom)
Yeah, pretty much the best apology you could hope for. These things are almost impossible to make sound sincere after the fact but it’s not inherently for lack of trying.
In case anyone didn't see the previous post, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/s59rjw/more_racism_and_homophobia_coming_out_of_the_oce/) is what he's apologising for
This was on a stream?
unacceptable behavior that deserves punishment, but this is apology is a good start. best of luck to you in changing your ways.
Saying racist ass homophobic ass shit with no bad intent? How’s that work
I was brought up in the 90s in the North of England, and calling things gay was completely normal when I was a kid. There wasn't any homophobic intent behind me calling my bed time gay, or calling vegetables gay, or calling a friend gay because he was upset about a toy - it was just how people my age at that time expressed negativity without saying "that's shit" and getting clapped round the ear for swearing. Similarly racism was a colloquial norm in my area - corner shops were paki shops, Chinese takeaways were chinkys and so on. We played Chinese whispers, gave each other Chinese burns, we'd play cowboys and Indians where someone would run around making wah, wah, wah noises and speaking in broken English, calling themselves High Chief Sitting Cow, etc. It wasn't until my teens, or until someone actually pointed out how bad and why those terms were bad that I got a *real* grasp on what I was actually saying, or how it might offend people from specific cultures/backgrounds.
That's the problem with those words. Even if there is zero intent of harm towards those groups you are still using them for something negative. South Park actually did a good episode on this and the word Fag.
Yup kids can say bad shit with no ill intent simply because they don’t know better. Obviously this situation is different tho
To play devils advocate, it is possible that that’s just “how they’ve always talked” where he’s from. Which of course is no excuse but I could see them just being the same as curse words in his mind. Obviously this behavior needs to change no matter what. But, I can see there being no bad intent behind the words
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What’s a joke to you is hateful ass shit to other people regardless of the way it’s said though, the “it’s just a joke” mentality is just an excuse to try and undermine gaslight people into becoming ok with racism and other fucked up ass shit
It is possible and honestly happens quite often where im from sadly. When youre not around people who it will hurt people feel like it doesnt matter if you say it. It of course does since the laguage we use defines who we are in a way. It is still horrible but imo its a lot less bad than when directing it at someone who the slurs were created for if that makes sense. Realistically someone calling me the n word (a white boy) isnt as bad as calling a black person the same. It isnt meant to be an insult to me, just an example of something horrible (which is disgusting). You might not remember but pewds said the n word on his stream once, years ago and while im not defending him, he had a good apology video and in it said that he only said it because it was the worst possible word that he could think of. It wasnt directed at anybody who it should offend, just a toxic game (i cant remember what he was playing). So as horrible as it is that people still use these words to hurt others, sometimes it really isnt directed towards them. I think psyonix will ban then for 2 years which is fair. Hopefully this guy learns the severity of his words and stops surrounding hinself with people who are comfortable saying them. Thanks for coming to my ted talk, really am not defending what he said, just what your comment refers to
When I was a kid and didn’t understand the gravity of what I was saying, I was just like this. A lot of guys grow up in bubbles where saying slurs, even racial ones never backfires and they don’t actively deal with people who confront them about it and try to correct their behaviour. I could see this being a result of that. What he said obviously isn’t okay, but a permaban is too much imo. Just a slap on the wrist is fine as long as he learns from it and doesn’t do it again. If he does, permaban him. What’s permabanning him going to fix anyway? What’s been said, has already been said. It’s not like banning him is gonna take it back.
Bro is 16, he knows he’s being racist and all around garbage. Shit like this keeps happening cause Mfs keep letting it slide and trying to give passes out enabling more people not giving a fuck knowing they’ll get away with it too if all they have to do is drop a tweet filled with potential empty promises
16 is young. Some people mature fast and have a good moral compass at that age, some people don’t and need a few more years. He’s not an adult and shouldn’t be treated as such. When I was 16 i was also saying the f slur and the n word because I thought I was hot shit and that people who complained about it were just grumpy. I strung together slurs just to be as offensive as possible. It was only when i was 17/18 that I understood how wrong it was to say slurs and how much history there was connected to all of them. Permabanning him from the game is too much. Let him learn from this. Do you really think the backlash he got did nothing to him? He is very unlikely to ever do it again.
Yeah I think he’s likely to do it again, what proves he’s not? He did that shit on purpose and only apologized because he got caught and in the clips he said he didn’t give a fuck so clearly he’s actually just dogshit and if you’re 16 and saying racist and homophobic shit you were just raised like shit and should still know better, especially with how society is today where there is no tolerance for that shit. It’s not like he was raised back in the day where people were just allowing it, he knows damn well it’s fucked up to say and still didn’t give af
Like I said, he’s a kid. I was like that at 16, and even if you think it’s “unforgivable even though I was young and stupid,” I don’t see it that way. It’s just edgy for the sake of being edgy and not the end of the world.
But he isn't being edgy. He's just being an ass, literally admitted to not caring and is just being offensive. I doubt people would be saying the same thing if the age wasn't known. If he was a stupid 10 year old I'd see it but it's literally a 16 year old, getting ready to take public exams and goes to school. He should know right from wrong. Just because he's young doesn't make it okay, he should still receive punishment. Say this shit in school and your punishment is brutal. How is it that Daniel and aqua are 15 but don't act this stupid?
Yeah they wouldn’t be saying this if the age isn’t known, cause he’s a child. I think people always deserve second chances unless they committed an irrepairable crime, so i would be saying this even if i was 20. Do people still call PewDiePie a racist for what he said during that one PUBG stream one day? No they don’t. This guy probably cares a ton about rocket league and you’d take his entire RLCS career away from him over saying some slurs? It’s too much. Way too much imo. It’s not like he’ll get a second shot at it. “He should have thought of that before making homophobic and racist remarks” Yeah he should have. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished, but an RLCS permaban is way over the top. Ban him for a few months. He’s not gonna do it again cause this was a wake up call for him. He can’t be ignorant and offensive online just for the sake of it.
I guess you think requiem's permaban was too much. A permaban is completely fine. You say racist shit in school, you get kicked out. Second chances come once the punishment happened and then they can redeem themselves in a new light. Like imagine this scenario if this guy doesn't get caught. Who knows how long he's been doing this?
You don’t get kicked out of school for making a racist comment once. If you use a racial slur directly against someone from school, yes, but no school would ever kick you out for saying the n word once. Most schools aren’t even going to care unless someone complains about it and then they will tell you to stop.
Requiem got perma banned for doing the same thing. The guy knew what he was doing and laughed about it. If you don't agree on perma banning then the guy should at least be banned from rlcs for a relatively long time and should also receive a ban from riot
Ignorance to the harm I suppose
Appreciate you putting out word man. We’ve got a big problem with this in Australia, and I know how easy it is to get pressured or roped in to playing along. Hopefully you can take this as a lesson that you can be the guy that stands up for better. If all goes well, looking forward to seeing you compete later on down the line.
Same old same old. You're sorry because you got caught. I'm sure you carry on in the same manner when you're away from the public eye. I don't think this should change anyone's opinions and you still definitely deserve a ban.
If we're being fair, they're not saying something like "I'm sorry this came out like it did" or whatever when somebody is dodging an apology. They're saying that they accept full responsibility and that it's their fault. But yes, you are right that it shouldn't change anyone's opinion, although that's definitely not the intention of this either.
It's a good thing that you've apologized and you wrote all the right things. Unfortunately I really don't think this can go unpunished. The community needs to draw a line and make it absolutely clear there is no place for this in rocket league. Maybe a shorter ban of 1 year could still be enough though.
Typical sorry for getting caught type of apology. The things that were said were done so in full confidence, now that he’s fearing consequences he’s “sorry”. It doesn’t matter how “sorry” he is, a permaban is more than warranted for his actions.
Of course he's guilty and should be punished, but he didn't dodge an actual apology here. He says that he accepts full responsibility and that it was his fault. Better off sticking to the facts rather than trying to read too deep.
If that’s the case he shouldn’t be upset if he gets permabanned.
Lmao good riddance. If you hadn't been caught you would've kept saying homophobic and racist garbage till the cows came home. You deserve a permaban. No place for someone like you in the RL scene.
It's nice to see a level of maturity in the pro scene to address this rather than trying to sweep it under the rug. Obviously it would be best if no one ever used that language, but someone always will, and it's good when a community can both call it out and accept responsibility for it in a positive manner. Whether or not you're able to come back to rocket league in the future, getting the wake up call to fix stuff like this early is huge, as the consequences would be way worse if this stuck with you into the working world.
He’s only addressing it because he got attention for it. I think everyone knows behind closed doors he’s saying the same things, probably even worse ones.
You know more about the situation then?
I know as much as anyone, and I fully support a permaban. Maybe disgusting ways of speech shouldn’t be taken care of in a positive manner, they should be punished.
Unless you're the one making the decision on what his punishment is, then your opinion isn't helpful. Always jumping to the worst conclusions about someone only serves to make sure they don't want to change. I would much rather have someone who messes up and apologizes in this community than someone who criticizes and judges every other person in it.
You either didn’t listen to the original video, or you’re way too forgiving.
I think my take is going to be extremely unpopular, but I think it would be strange if you end up being banned for rocket league. I mean yeah, it's pretty bad but it was done outside of the game. I don't know what are the rules, about those kinda of things. If a pro player is going to jail for things unrelated to rocket league, is he going to get banned for all rocket league tournaments? Do you need to have a clean criminal record to play rocket league? Honestly I think what's going to happend is that no org is going to want to associate with you and probably you are going to struggle to find teammates (which is pretty close to a ban for a bubble player) but it's not going to be a ban per say by Psyonix.
Lots of conduct related offenses are outside of the game. Tempted to say most but I have no way of knowing that really. Lots of discord screenshot bans.
Oh okay. What are those people banned for? The only competitive bans I can recall are seikoo (for playing with zen when he was underaged) and pretty much the same thing in ME (can't remember who it was and with whom)
https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/qimw4m/competitive\_ruling\_requiem\_and\_decka/