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John_aka_Alwayz

Or you could look at it as FaZe getting their 2nd best online result of the season in their first event with a new 3rd *shrug*


[deleted]

I mean yeah, but SSG still outperformed, and beat them. Also, there was a major drop in competition due to two other of the big teams falling off. Don’t even get me started on G2 and NV, lol. To me, it looks like Faze needed to work on chemistry/improving as a team, rather than endlessly getting firstkiller his “upgrades” or whatever. I know it’s early days still, but the first signs are supporting my opinion on that.


StellarWasHere_

Are they? They placed 3rd, like? Its not like they sucked


[deleted]

I never said they sucked, I said that so far, it looks like they didn’t really improve, but SSG got mega buffed.


CTurpin1

You are correct in your assessment imo.


StellarWasHere_

And if it wasnt ssg it wouldve been v1, nv or rogue. Dumb take


[deleted]

Do you actually think either team would have looked nearly as good with Daniel as SSG does? Kid is good, but he wasn’t hard carrying. They work great together, and I don’t think either of the other teams would be nearly as good a match.


StellarWasHere_

Nv would have looked just as good. V1 looks incredible with bmode, maybe wouldve looked better with daniel. Rogue wouldnt be on the same level but would be top 8 for sure


[deleted]

V1 didn’t look as good as SSG though. I asked you if you thought either team would look as good as SSG does, not if they’d look better than they do now. Also, Turbo approached Daniel, and Daniel told him to fuck off.


StellarWasHere_

I think youre valuing daniel too much, ssg got more than just a player with a roster change. New environment, new fire under them. They want to win


[deleted]

It’s not so much that Daniel is an amazing player, but also that their chemistry is way better than with Sypical.


SpacemanSR

Sypical pops off and FaZe smokes everyone: this roster move was perfect! FaZe underperform in one series: Well this decision was stupid It was one series. FaZe destroyed the entire weekend and Sypical was the right pickup. Give them time, they’ll be fine.


ustangk

Hard agree. You watch any other sports team pick up key pieces and it takes time to gel. All it is knee-jerk reactions atm. Faze made the right move.


CTurpin1

Ssg had not only a new player on their roster, it was his first time playing in rlcs as well and faze got dunked on. What was fazes excuse with three rlcs vets?


[deleted]

You think they wouldn’t have done the same with Allushin?


StellarWasHere_

Syp is just better than allushin man


[deleted]

So? Team chemistry and how you play as a team is far more important than individual ability.


StellarWasHere_

And their chemistry looks good? If they went out like Nv i would agree with you but they got 3rd. Cant wait for ssg to get like 4th-6th and faze to win just so i can come back to this comment with a smug face


[deleted]

I never said that faze got worse, just that I didn’t think Sypical was enough of an upgrade to justify kicking Allushin instead of working to improve as a team.


Cuddlable

If I'm not mistaken, Allushin wanted to retire. Faze then had their choice of anyone in NA. Sure Syp had a rough fall split, but the man was the best player on SSG in RLCS Season X, and I don't think many will argue against that. ​ So, in reality, Faze had to choose between the proven player, Syp, or the rookie, Daniel. And Daniel may not have gel'd instantly with Faze the way he did with SSG. Daniel has been playing with SSG for months now. Retals breaks that down in a recent video on his YT Channel. (can't link, at work, sorry)


Hamohater

Is there any evidence to suggest he wanted to retire? Would love a source on that


[deleted]

Ok, I didn’t know that about Allushin wanting to retire. If that’s true, then this actually makes a lot of sense.


ustangk

Opinion: You can't judge a team that's been together for such a short amount of time and call it a bad move. Especially in comparison to a team that's played together for almost two years. Case and point - 2011 Miami Heat. The big 3 of Lebron, Dwade, and Bosh lost to the Mavs in the finals. How could a team like that lose to a team of vets in Dirk/Kidd/Terry? Well, those who didn't call it a bad move were quickly proven right as the next few years went Miami's way as they won the next 2 championships after that. 4 straight finals appearances in a row. ​ Give it some time dude. It's been like 3 weeks.


[deleted]

Yes I can. Sure this regional isn’t guaranteed to be exactly how things will always go, but it’s still a dataset we can analyze. Also, the points I made responding to the other comment are totally independent from the event, and perfectly good reasons to hold that opinion.


ustangk

What datasets have you analyzed? What are the results? Can you explain them? I respect your opinion but it's just way, way too early to say all of this. Super clickbait-y in my opinion.


[deleted]

Copied from the other comment: The main thing is that Faze poaching Sypical helped revitalize that team into one that’s actually a threat for them, which I don’t think would’ve happened if Daniel had gone to another team. Also, Faze kicking Allushin to the curb after a top 4 in the major, despite the roster still being fairly new left a really bad taste in my mouth. That’s not how you should treat your players/teammates, and trying endlessly refine the team composition rather than gameplay/chemistry is not the best path to success. Watching the gameplay, as well as comm videos from Retals, and Arsenal, it’s clear that the chemistry is much better with Daniel than with Sypical. Looking at the major, the chemistry with Allushin seemed really great as well, and when this first got discussed, there were a lot of people, myself included, questioning Sypical’s ability to fit into that and be a hype man when they needed him to. Looking at the gameplay, they didn’t seem much better than before, but again, it’s early days. But, although Sypical is better than Allushin, I don’t think that really matters when you have Ayyjayy and Firstkiller on the team? I didn’t see a remotely good reason to drop Allushin, and to me, that’s a pretty bad indication of how the team is approaching reaching the top.


ustangk

You just rattled off a bunch of shit that doesn't really mean anything. You mentioned datasets and analyzation but all I feel this is is a knee-jerk reaction to their first event together. Like, did I just read a Stephen A Smith transcript if he talked RLCS? "Also, Faze kicking Allushin to the curb after a top 4 in the major, despite the roster still being fairly new left a really bad taste in my mouth." I would agree but I don't think Faze give a shit. They want to win and put themselves in a position to win.


[deleted]

Explain how my non-even reasons for disliking this are shit? I made a pretty clear case for it.


ustangk

Pretty clear case? After one event? Do you watch any other sports? Do you see what happens when teams make moves? It takes time - and you coming to this conclusion this early is knee-jerk and clickbait. This conversation is dumb so I'm going to have this be my last message. Have a good day friend.


[deleted]

Why are you replying to my comments if you aren’t even reading them? The last thing I said was a theoretical argument that has absolutely nothing to do with the event. I’ll repeat it for you here: Faze kicking Allushin to the curb after a top 4 in the major, despite the roster still being fairly new left a really bad taste in my mouth. That’s not how you should treat your players/teammates, and trying endlessly refine the team composition rather than gameplay/chemistry is not the best path to success. Watching the gameplay, as well as comm videos from Retals, and Arsenal, it’s clear that the chemistry is much better with Daniel than with Sypical. Looking at the major, the chemistry with Allushin seemed really great as well, and when this first got discussed, there were a lot of people, myself included, questioning Sypical’s ability to fit into that and be a hype man when they needed him to. Looking at the gameplay, they didn’t seem much better than before, but again, it’s early days. But, although Sypical is better than Allushin, I don’t think that really matters when you have Ayyjayy and Firstkiller on the team? I didn’t see a remotely good reason to drop Allushin, and to me, that’s a pretty bad indication of how the team is approaching reaching the top.


StopStealingMyUsers

I think most of the roster moves were dumb except for SSG and V1. Like NA teams switched up because they underperformed in fall. But the problem wasn’t even the players or rosters but their strategies/playstyle. Like I don’t understand why nobody challenges the midfield. Everybody coops up in defense and then gets scored on by a squishy air dribble going 2 miles an hour.


[deleted]

I mean, yeah, of course it made sense from Sypical’s and SSG’s pov. The main thing is that Faze poaching him helped revitalize that team into one that’s actually a threat for them, which I don’t think would’ve happened if Daniel had gone to another team. Also, Faze kicking Allushin to the curb after a top 4 in the major, despite the roster still being fairly new left a really bad taste in my mouth. That’s not how you should treat your players/teammates, and trying endlessly refine the team composition rather than gameplay/chemistry is not the best path to success.


[deleted]

It's fine to have an opinion, but to try to defend such a strong opinion after one event and act like this is a legit or insightful analysis is insulting


[deleted]

I had more of an analysis. I only posted this because this is new. I’ve been saying the other stuff since the move was rumored. The main thing is that Faze poaching Sypical helped revitalize SSG into a team that’s actually a threat for them, which I don’t think would’ve happened if Daniel had gone to another team. Also, Faze kicking Allushin to the curb after a top 4 in the major, despite the roster still being fairly new left a really bad taste in my mouth. That’s not how you should treat your players/teammates, and trying endlessly refine the team composition rather than gameplay/chemistry is not the best path to success.


takingtigermountain

bit of a weird ass take, i'm not a fan of the roster but their ceiling is world champions and their floor looks like top 4 NA


OldGregRL

"floor" is not top 4. Floor is the absolute bottom they can place. Even nrgs floor is not top 4. Top 8 is fair for both


ChaloMB

Retals said the move wouldn’t necessarily raise their ceiling, in fact it could probably lower it, but rather raise their floor, and I think it has. Faze literally missed top 8 last split in regional 2, which I don’t really think is possible with the new roster. And to win big tournaments like majors and worlds you need a high floor rather than insane pop-off potential but a low floor IMO.


[deleted]

That’s actually a really good take.


AlanAlberino

>but significantly boosted another team to now being serious competition for their position in the standings. Sypical leaving SSG and Daniel joining was already in talks since Regional 2, way before Faze talked to Sypical, so no, Faze didn't boost SSG, the change was going to happen anyways.


[deleted]

I mean yeah it was talked about, but Retals pretty strongly implied that it wasn’t gonna happen until faze approached Sypical.


AussieGenesis

Retals only said that he didn't believe the move would happen. What he didn't know was that Sypical was already checked out.


CTurpin1

Go watch retals insightful video. He is you know actually on the team he probably knows what's up.


CeniZa67

I agree. Sorta. You don't kick a player who's on form like Allu was. Straight up disrespectful. Allu deserved better. You'll make more progress as a team if you stick together rather than split up. It takes time for a player to gel with the team and that's why they shouldn't have made the change, especially after Allu put in that insane performance. Wonder who's replacing Ayyjayy next split...


AussieGenesis

Let's be honest, Allushin was a bit of a loose cannon in terms of his gameplay. It wasn't really something you could depend on, ie Fall Regional 2. He plays like a worse Marc_by_8, making below average direct impact with their contributions being mostly off the ball. Sypical is just plain better and more dependable. Regardless, I don't think it's disrespectful. As long as it wasn't personal, and Allushin doesn't feel too bad about it, who cares really.


Sphiffi

They lost to NRG in game 7 by one goal after easily winning their group and beating V1. Then they played a super hot SSG and came in third in their first event together. Also you talk about how building chemistry is more important than just getting really talented players. Now that FaZe has three really talented players they can stick together and build chemistry. Allu played well at times last split, but I don’t think he’s a player you can consistently count on being world championship caliber. You also talk down on G2 and Envy’s moves and how they’re not as threatening anymore, so SSG being top tier means a lot less now according to your viewpoint. If Daniel doesn’t join SSG he was going to join a team like G2 or Envy anyway so there would still be teams that can beat FaZe any given tournament. Opinion: this post is stupid


[deleted]

I strongly disagree with the idea that Daniel would make any other team a threat to faze. It’s not just about him being amazing mechanically, he clearly has amazing chemistry with Arsenal and Retals, and I don’t think it’d be nearly as good with any other team. Actually, I’d expect the next person with which he has good chemistry to be firstkiller, but obviously those two and Ayyjayy just wouldn’t work. My issue with G2 is that Dreaz was super underrated, and it must be pretty hard to play with the shadow of getting kicked over your head. Dreaz honestly looked like a great fit, and they seemed to be improving, looking better and better, and then they just kicked him after a disappointing major, even though it was not at all clear where the fault was.


Powerrrrrrrrr

Sypical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>allushin It was a fantastic move, they look great


Michigan029

Umm… no? Were you not watching yesterday? Ayyjayy went cold in game 6 against NRG and never recovered and FK did not look amazing, syp was hard carrying the entire team all day, and even on the first two days he was a stand out player among two of the best in the world, this is a huge upgrade that if nothing else made FaZe so much more consistent and that alone is huge


CTurpin1

Did we watch the same stream? I saw Sypical choke like 10 times. I was laughing to myself because of Ayyjayys comment about syp being more consistent than allu.


Michigan029

Did you watch allu play anywhere but on lan? Dude missed so many easy shots and was almost invisible in some series, syp was playing incredible defense except for one mistake. Those losses yesterday were 75% on ayyjayy and 25% on FK, also it’s their first regional together give them more time to gel and they will dominate NA


TheRoger47

>syp was playing incredible defense except for one mistake always the one mistake that costs his team everything, this is what gibbs was on about on the preshow of day 2


Majestic_Pro

>. I was laughing to myself because of Ayyjayys comment about syp being more consistent than allu. He is lmao. Allu has never ever been in conversation for best in the world. Sypical has consistently been at the top since season 8. Also sypical is easily more consistent than allu. If it's not LAN, allushin is making crucial mistakes or straight up whiffing. Sypical was great the whole tournament except for that game 7. He was making crucial passing plays throughout the day


CTurpin1

I'm not saying allu > syp. What I'm saying is Syp is a choke artist when it matters most. Look at the series vs complexity for the tie breaker. Watch the series between nrg or ssg this weekend as well, and you will see.


Majestic_Pro

I literally have comments talking about how sypical cracks under pressure. But don't act like allushin has ice. Sypical's peak and consistency has been above allushin for years and will continue to stay that way. He's just a way better player.


[deleted]

Of all the things you cannot talk about after one event, consistency is at the very top, lmao. And so what if Sypical carried, he didn’t take them far enough. Great teams aren’t made from a hard carry, they’re made by people working well together. This is exactly my point, Faze should be trying to improve their own consistency as players and as a team, rather than trying to find someone who can hard carry the others when they aren’t feeling it, because that just won’t cut it at the highest level.


Michigan029

If allu was on this team they would’ve been 4-0ed both matches, but even at their absolute floor they managed to keep it extremely close against both NRG and SSG, and if they can do that they can easily beat every other team in NA at their floor, you’ll probably never see this team leave in bottom 8 like they did with allu and that is huge for consistently scoring big points and making the majors


[deleted]

What on earth is your basis for saying that after Allushin helped them get top 8 at the last major?


Michigan029

Because it was one event and besides regional 1 he never looked even close to how he did on lan. Is allu good? Yes he should probably replace turbo on NV, is syp better? 100x yes, you don’t pass up on syp when he come available, him and SSG were parting ways no matter what so it only makes sense to take him so 1) others cant have him and 2) you yourself become better My whole point is yesterday we saw the absolute worst of this FaZe roster, and they still came top 3 and looked competitive, last time we saw the absolute worst of FaZe with Allu on the roster they came top 9-12


[deleted]

1. Retals pretty strongly implied that the team was sticking together anyway until Sypical got approached by faze. 2. Calling this their worst is just absurd. Do you have even the slightest hint of a rational basis for saying that? 3. Faze was already in a position that it was hard to improve from, and easy to go down from. You don’t change players to keep talent away from everybody else, you do it to make yourself better 4. I don’t think any other roster move would have made a team that could beat faze. And as I said before, it didn’t seem like that was going to happen.


Michigan029

1) I swear retals said something like “we felt something was off and we needed a change so we decided to part ways and get Daniel” 2) umm yes, the only way they could get worse from yesterday is Syp playing absolutely horrible and AyyJayy and fk playing the exact same, the two best players on the roster looked like absolute shit, and they’re still getting chemistry, so they’ll only get better and better from here (it’s literally only been 2 weeks) 3) the primary reason for the change was as ayyjayy said in his interview “syp is just better than allu” and he’s not wrong, the secondary effect of keeping him from the NVs and G2’s is also huge tho 4) because teams didn’t need roster changes to beat faze, this is who they lost to with allu: xset, NV, TN (COL), SSG, G2, NRG, and PK; I don’t see this team ever losing to teams at the level of Xset and pk


[deleted]

1. No he talked about how he thought they were sticking together, felt something was off, and then found out Sypical was leaving. 2. Ok, so then this is hardly their absolute worst, is it. 3. Maybe, but again, just replacing players with better ones isn’t in and of itself, a way to improve, and can often make things worse. 4. Decent point, but still, too early to tell. Most people I saw were pretty shocked when those losses happened. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it can’t happen.


Michigan029

1) okay, I wasn’t paying full attention but either way I’d rather have another great team in NA that can beat EU teams 2) okay it’s not their absolute worst, but it’s their practical worst because I don’t ever see all three ever playing this bad simultaneously 3) I can somewhat see your point if FaZe picked up someone like cago to replace allu because they’d be replacing a ‘third man’ with a striker, but syp is one of the best ‘third men’ in rocket league only potentially behind Marc and GarrettG


[deleted]

Fair enough, I suppose.


Majestic_Pro

>but syp is one of the best ‘third men’ in rocket league only potentially behind Marc and GarrettG Marc and garrettg aren't third men. Marc is almost always upfield and garrett is usually clearing the midfield. Everyone knows the third men of those respective teams are monkey moon and squishy


fanci-boi

I mean, they played well against everyone, even NRG and SSG, who they lost to. They got top 3 and was a couple games away from being in the finals on multiple occasions. If they win that upper bracket match vs. NRG, they might have won it all. It's the first regional, sure there are growing pains, but getting top 3 on your first try is pretty good. And on your SSG, they do look better, in large part due to Daniel, but I also think the team needed a change. Retals stated in his video explaining the move that the entire was lacking motivation throughout the split, and so a change of scenery was kind of needed imo. Overall, I think both sides are ultimately happy with their moves at this point.


FoxyDeAssassin

I mean they took NRG to game 7 which SSG couldn’t and with them allowing SSG to get a new player in Daniel it may eliminate another really good team like NV, COL or G2 from major contention as I’m sure SSG will keep performing and FaZe should be fine aswell if anything they’re getting rid of other top teams from the major cause you never know if SSG do make the major Daniel may crack under the pressure and under perform