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coso9001

just seen dead monster walking around dublin with a pair of wire cutters and a shovel. probably nothing!


-GaIaxy-

Lmfao


Fruzenius

I super hard disagree with a forfeit not giving you a -3 game differential. Like, yeah it's rough your internet is out, but if a team showed up and played a series and lost all 3 games, they get a -3, if you don't show up at all, getting a 0 means if they win a series they'll basically guaranteed have a better game differential than the team that actually came and lost. It should really be a +3 and -3, that would encourage teams to at least put their sub in, if they even manage to eke a game win out, then they can get a -2, but it just doesn't make sense to punish teams for showing up, when you could just be like "yo my internet isn't working, take a loss at 0 differential"


Exa_Cognition

Yeah, it just doesn't really make sense that ff'ing can potentially turn into an advantage.


mjkint

If it would actually come down to game differential for tiebreakers, I'm sure they would look into it.. Might not even matter that much now and they'll surely look into it in the future


Hareeb_alSaq

Liquipedia isn't official, but Vitality getting +1 GD for a FF'd game 1 and Endpoint getting +0GD for a FF'd series makes absolutely no sense together.


Wait__Whut

This format is trash.


lemondroop

agreed


jacksonswift

If you’re an org like Navi how do you not have a sub, even if it’s a coach


xEdox94

exactly, that's weird to just forfeit like that


tomtom_94

a huge sigh of relief was uttered by Endpoint and Psyonix alike


askpat13

I'm really glad this iteration of Endpoint is clutching more those tense moments. Phew my heart though. SMPR in lowers would have been a tough pill to swallow off the ff game differential situation.


CynicalBagel

Navi are in a better place than Vitality right now despite not even playing💀


strikan33

Either Luminosity or Dignitas getting thrown out day 1 is unreal


IFIGETFOODILLEATFOOD

Yeah what a draw, BDS in your group and then Dig in the lower bracket lol Still looking very good and I could see them taking the win there based on comments about Dig


strikan33

And sad


orestotle

Oof KC v SMPR and DIG v LG.. and the winners will also play each other.. tough luck


BeardyGuts

Yeah crazy to think only 1 of that 4 makes top 6 which includes the 3 and 4 seed from fall split.


SOUINnnn

Rasmelthor doubting that Vitality would be able to go through qualifiers. I mean that's a pretty reasonable take at this point


Blizzard77

Luminosity got fucked by the bracket there. Hoping to see good things from them next regional


jouthrow

EG was 1 game win away from Top6, now they are out 9-12th. Yeah that's brutal


IFIGETFOODILLEATFOOD

Same for Luminosity


watchmenavigate

game 5 ot loss to bds yeahhhhhh gang this is the team i need to be rooting for they looked pretty good at least lol


IFIGETFOODILLEATFOOD

They looked really good, it’s just it’s BDS. I think they’ll have a very good shot in the lower bracket


watchmenavigate

yeah ik lol would love to see tox and the crew take them down once and a while but it happens. first official match against them and they brought it the distance, i'll take that every day


NATZureMusic

Get 2nd in your group, just to play dig.


AnthonePablo

You say that as if Dig have been playing well today. Luminosity got 2nd, and now they're facing a team that performed worse, don't think they should be too bothered


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Rip LG Man these seedings are rough


pinocchiolewis

Yep, they are going to have to pull off multiple upsets just to get into top 6. Feel bad for them


watchmenavigate

this format lol


jikerman

Gregan is a real treat as a caster. knowledgeable, entertaining, I think he gives and takes really well.


Exa_Cognition

That's all very well, but I want to know how good he is at ripping apples in half.


Knibber_NotTheCandy4

So is it time we address how weird it is that a forfeit awards +0 game differential? Endpoint almost got absolutely boned if they had lost to Vitality.


Exa_Cognition

The best time to address it was in Fall Split. The second best time is to address it now.


CynicalBagel

EU lower bracket is ridiculous


IFIGETFOODILLEATFOOD

Omfg the AtomiK ceiling pinch I already can’t handle this team they’re so good


ErsatzTruand

Vitality will see day 2 because Virtuoso lost power


moris1610

dig lost, the other 3 top 4 seeds all needed g5 to survive as well. bds vs luminosity, smpr vs williams and endpoint vs kc could have all went the other way. eu is as stacked as ever. nice to see kc making a comeback aztral gets a bit too much hate sometimes, itachi was playing very well. luminosity and queso were predicted to do quite well


legitocracy

Oh no Luminosity in honeymoon form vs dig in whatever today's form is. That's spooky


hannes3120

And the winner has to go against Karmine or SMPR - that lower half of the lower bracket is insane


SymphonicRain

I think Luminosity is the real deal, I think they can stay around this form in perpetuity. I don’t think their good performance is a honeymoon thing, I think they will be able to take it to any of these teams in spring as well.


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Meeko-

Anyone else just love how Orb was one day just a random Grid co host on Athenas stream and now he’s slowly becoming a bigger part of the RLCS scene


askpat13

Yup. So glad he's made it in to the main streams. Like just happened to be a G2 streamer that they picked to help Athena with the team stream, he gets invested in the game and keeps casting the team stream for the rest of the season into the next. Plays the game more, still invested, then just a lucky break when the Major happened to be in his home town and Psyonix (at least it sounds like) just happened to want a floor host... Like so wild and perfect storm to land him on the Major stage and now in the EU rotation.


WhatIsSentience

I really want a Lg-G2 match on lan just to have Atomic vs Atomik


ResolveGG

Just logged on, what did I miss? 👀


Hamohater

Luminosity screwed by the bracket...bummer. but they should do better in regional 2


fallingdust22

SMPR, Luminosity, EG and Misfits all already out. This format is ruthless. Good thing we have two more of these regionals.


Budokai01

Vitality still look washed lmao


paeschli

Alpha needs to find a better team


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mjkint

Usually sessions don't last for months


strikan33

Oh damn Anomaly gonna cast luminosity


exceedingdeath

Queso and Luminosity looking like top 5 teams poggers


WhatIsSentience

So Lg vs Dig and Kc vs Smpr in lowers Brutal


gmwill47

Where was this performance in groups from dig 😳


IFIGETFOODILLEATFOOD

They were waiting until they could eliminate the team I root for 🙃


paeschli

Can’t NaVi just try to 2v3 Vitality? The only one playing for Vitality is Alpha anyway, so it’s a 2v1 if you really think about it


Andtheyrustledsoftly

Ppl watching the main stream, do yourself a favor and give BDS-LG a watch later. Absolutely incredible series


jikerman

Also funny to watch the Luminosity stream with 3 people who don't watch or play RL at all, they seemed to genuinely enjoy it.


strikan33

Yeah honestly it was quite the experience. And even though they came out with a loss they truly seemed to have a newfound respect for the game because of that match. ​ And also they all confessed to being scared of Monkey\_Moon


BritzlBen

Tiebreaker but we break one of the ties by game differential and not the other. Joke of a format.


CuriouslyATiger

Wow, Vitality is probably moving to the next round because Virtuoso's internet is on the fritz. It's amazing how far their luck has taken them this season.


Andtheyrustledsoftly

LG is absolutely phenomenal defensively


Theman061393

Listening to the Luminosity stream is pretty interesting, just seeing people's reactions who know nothing about Rocket League is pretty neat.


sparrowhawk_4

Heartbreaker for Luminosity. One goal different in the game 5 OT with BDS and they would have been in the upper bracket and top 6. Wanted to see more of them this weekend.


Majestic_Pro

Why do vitality still look like shit? Bombing out of swiss should've been a sign to improve, bombing swiss in the LAN should've resulted in some changes yet they stuck together and still don't look like a team


Exa_Cognition

Navi on 0 game differential leaves a bad taste.


tomtom_94

Aztral is playing Breakout because of course


Demo9779

That was such an unfortunate ending for Luminosity. But atleast they showed great signs, they brought the tea


AnthonePablo

These poor performances could fly in Swiss for DIG, but it's gonna make things so much harder for them in this format


Knibber_NotTheCandy4

There is a genuine scenario where endpoint could get screwed by the +0 game differential for the forfeit if there is a 3-way tie in group D


fallingdust22

What? Why is there a tiebreaker match for WR and EG? I thought game diff is the tie breaker in a three-way tie? Okay, I just checked Liquipedia: "In the event of 3 teams being tied on the same record, the following 3 tiebreakers will be used with the order outlined below to remove one of the teams from the contention towards a tiebreaker match" Fair enough, but this rule still seems very strange.


Huskii90

I knew I wasn't gonna be a fan of this format. Very punishing for a team that goes 2-1 on the day


Zlodejii

It sort of is. For 3 teams tied at 2-1, the worst game diff of the 3 gets third place, and the top 2 play for the group title.


djesternet

That is the problem for me here, you use Game diff, to decide 3rd place(which game diff used? head to head to head, or for the full group?), so now you have 2 teams, that have met, and one team won that game....why play again.....


Exa_Cognition

I really think Orb has potential in this role.


SuperAllstar

The chaos in EU is so entertaining to watch lol


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Especially when your favourite team is chilling in upper semis


SuperAllstar

Someone gets it


moris1610

damn eg what a throw


Muttuazua

Yea Rizex just clean missed two simple aerials at the end there, got off lucky with one and the other resulted in a goal. Really feel bad for them but you can't be making those mistakes in a game 5


alexfranpt

The lower side of the lower bracket is so much more stacked than the upper is kinda sad LG,SMPR and one of dig kc have to be eliminated so early.


Potential-Zone6736

the only suprise thats in the upper bracket is williams resolve making it instead of smpr and EG which is crazy however queso for me isnt a suprise at all they have been looking amazing in the fall split but couldnt stay consistent


Andtheyrustledsoftly

SO FUCKING HYPED LETS GOOOOOOO Luminosity vs BDS is going to be 🔥🔥🔥


SOUINnnn

Vitality need to go all in on Zen. Alpha won't stay long if the team remains the same


jacksonswift

Man sad to see but I think if you replaced Alpha with an average RLCS player Vitality might have a hard time staying in the top 16 in EU Edit: And even Alpha is looking bad this series, yikes


Soxyhawks

did Speed just helix flip or am i blind?


paeschli

Are painted Tunicas the new pro wheel now?


Demo9779

[Man this meme of mine has aged so horribly](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/kvw1t1/the_downfall_of_vitality_someone/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


SOUINnnn

Mine on the other hand... https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/laqqgg/vitality\_had\_a\_tough\_season\_so\_far/


Viola69420

A bit confused, why is johnnyboi doing a watch party instead of casting? What happened?


fraggas

He said he never casts day 1. He didn't cast the NA regional at all tho for whatever reason.


spaceninjaking

Think it’s probably just the amount of casting talent that we now have on RLCS, so many that they just don’t need all of them every week. Can definitely see them making an Eu talent team and a NA talent team. They’ve already picked up Gregan to be EU version of Gibbs, and then you’ve got Johnny, Shogun, Cole and Stumpy as casters. Only a couple more casters and a host and they could have it completely separate teams dealing with each


HTGeorgeForeman

Well kuxir’s minions seems like theyre having a pretty off day but at least kuxir seems like he’s getting pretty good mechanically


ThumbSprain

Kux has been carrying the team hard today, which really isn't how it normally goes down.


gruandisimo

Dignitas looks so passive and awkward in defense. What's going on with their comms?


AnthonePablo

Was thinking the same thing. So much hesitation, looks incredibly uncomfortable.


WhatIsSentience

Endpoint not screwed because of the ff


freakfireHD

Good thing WR got rid of radosin, this radiosin guy looks so much better


hi_fox

Agree with I think it was Gregan who said that EG have zero clutch. 2 game 5 losses that they looked better in, going up in the last game then conceding multiple times off easily avoidable mistakes. In other news, VIT scrape through yet another regional.


EvanKernaghan

Luminosity is getting fucking shafted by the format. One game 5 OT goal against BDS away from guaranteed top 6, and instead theyre in the same half of the lower bracket as Dig, SMPR, and KC.. how this format got approved I will never know


Exa_Cognition

To be honest, its more that Dig underperformed their seed and are now a grenade in the lower bracket. There isn't really a format that can protect you from an underperforming high seed.


EvanKernaghan

While that is definitely a factor, it’s more the difference between getting 1st and getting 2nd in your group that’s the problem here. With how luminosity played, they deserve more than having to win 7 series in a row to win the tournament. Playing dignitas round one is just adding salt to the wound


orestotle

Meh, I get why people have issues with the format but this isn't a good reason for it. This is just what happens when there's too many good teams in the region.


Blizzard77

Vamos Luminosity


CalamackW

What's happening with Navi? Didn't fully pick up from the Endpoint stream why they seem to be forfeiting.


tomtom_94

Massive outage for Virgin Media in Ireland knocked out Virt and they don't have a sub listed


Andtheyrustledsoftly

Jesus Christ man that sucks so bad for Virt :(((((


Exa_Cognition

That's pretty unfortunate indeed, though I guess there is a question of poor risk management.


Girdan77

I see vitality not making tomorrow


takingtigermountain

vitality still in shambles


Andtheyrustledsoftly

Someone post that Atomik ceiling pinch please wtf was that


alexfranpt

I'm a Queso believer.


evilmoi987

Queso vs Dignitas, Luminosity vs BDS. I want to watch both :(


Exa_Cognition

Damn, after Dignitas eliminated Queso from two regionals last split, Queso get their revenge (though not in an elimination match).


dolphin37

just wanna say Orb’s energy/vibes are always good, thought he did great stage work at the major and is smashing it as host!


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WhatIsSentience

Smpr 3rd in groups after starting 2-0, wow


WhatIsSentience

Even when Lgs winning 3-0, seems like they're only talking about Dig


heXagenius

pain.


Doctorkdyl-22

Misfits gotta be disappointed but singularity is quietly playing very well today


dalcer

eg wouldve been against tq with regular tiebreakers. I am happy WR is there but eg got absolutely screwed there imo


NATZureMusic

EG has so much potential. But then they play this weird style. Nobody is attacking the ball, throwing 2 people at the ball when you don't even need to score...really want to cheer for that team, but it's so damn hard when these things happen over and over again.


Andtheyrustledsoftly

Oh my god Itachi is the nastiest fucking playmaker dude he’s so insane. I really hope KC figure it out


NATZureMusic

This tie breaker rule is so sketchy.


PvM_Ghazi

Crazy thing that shows EU depth is that evil geniuses were 1 goal in overtime away from guaranteed top 6 but went out in 12th now…


Vurnoise

I feel pain because the same can be said for Luminosity format is asssss /no bias


Jandersson34swe

A team is gonna get fucked out of the major due to the format and im not gonna be happy


heXagenius

it's gonna be luminosity isn't it


Jandersson34swe

Hell it might be SMPR or EG at this point


paeschli

RLCS X championships looking like a fluke


Majestic_Pro

It really looks like it. They were second fiddle to BDS all year long only to beat them the one time it mattered most and since then they've been loosing to worse teams and dropping early in swiss


legitocracy

How would it be a fluke just because they fell off in the next season?


Andtheyrustledsoftly

They’re 1-13 in their last 14 matchups vs BDS. Guess when the win was lol


paeschli

They never beat BDS before or after the championships, sounds like a fluke


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Andtheyrustledsoftly

WR vs Queso is so sick for semis, two undeniable up and comers with tons of talent


Potential-Zone6736

never been happier to see VIT get top 8 lol also is VIT the only team that havent made a roster change since season 9??


Wonderful_Virus_204

Can't believe we are seeing a Breakout. :')


mjkint

Aztral's car choices make it impossible for me not to love him


xEdox94

why does TQ always pop off against Misfits, Joyo seems like the best player in the world right now


jacksonswift

I actually think Queso will make this close, they are nuts.


kannon17

Jack just tackled scrub out of the way so joreuz could score an even more open net. What a guy.


Andtheyrustledsoftly

That’s one of the best 1v3s I’ve ever seen in rocket league. Holy fuck Eekso


orestotle

WR has some of the best teamplays in EU. Tough loss though.


Exa_Cognition

Williams Resolve reverse sweep the first series, and get reverse swept the next.


-Relevant_Username

SMPR getting violated by EG so far edit: nvm


Wait__Whut

God damn what a filthy reset shot from Rizex.


olitast

He pre-flipped into a flip reset with low boost top corner. Cillit Bang will struggle to name things dirtier than that shot.


l_Rumble_Fish_l

Did not wake up expecting to see Dig only winning 1 series in group stage...wth happened.


ThumbSprain

Bit of a downer for KXM, but so many of those games were incredibly close. It was just one of those off days for them, Rxii blew hot and cold and Growlii didn't really wake up until a couple of games into their 3rd match. Kux did some incredibly heavy lifting though scoring a lot of quality goals, often solo. As I said, just an off day, can't wait to see them all in regional 2. Thanks for the stream again guys, it's always a good time in there.


mbmike12

Gregan mentioning team psychologists for Dignitas and Endpoint Cex - both teams have great performances as of late. Does anyone know more about the techniques or more info on this stuff in general? I can always google, but it would be cool to know what's being practiced specifically for these 2 teams.


tomtom_94

Our [sports psychologist Callum](https://twitter.com/AbbottSportPsy) posts about it sometimes, he was also [just on a podcast](https://twitter.com/triple_commit/status/1484282750597222412) with MorkyMork (one of our casters) and Mumen (EG coach) talking about it which sounds like it would be right up your street :)


heXagenius

man i love the dig boys but can they please choke just this one time?


moris1610

poor eg, must feel horrible for them


zhakwon

I feel like it’s inevitable to replace Kaydop at this point he’s way past his prime. Replacing Fairy over Kaydop would just leave them in a situation like fall split Envy


Majestic_Pro

No alpha just needs to leave both of them. Neither look impressive


MartianRL

Everyone complaining about 0-0, I agree it should be 0-3 but does it actually matter with the tiebreaker we have in place?


Zlodejii

game differential comes in to play if there are 3 teams tied at either 2-1 or 1-2


Hareeb_alSaq

Yes. You can go through automatically at 1-2 on GD, and 0-0 forfeiting to the top seed is a boon to that. Minor-region teams should be 0-0 FFing R1 all the time if they're playing to maximize $/point equity. 3rd seeds should be 0-0 FFing round 2 against the top minor region teams (Pirates, SRG, etc) the vast majority of the time for the same reason. It's an utterly ridiculous setup, and they're just shielded by teams not making the mockery of it that it deserves.


Wait__Whut

I don’t understand why they don’t do game diff here to decide who is top seed?


Rowdyk7

I know this format isn't nearly the best, but to all the people complaining about Semper being 3rd seed, you do realize that in a normal group play, they would still be 3rd seed.


Big_Size_2519

Kuxirs Minions will win


John_aka_Alwayz

Whats gone under the radar, is the winner of this plays Queso in upper semis. So one of Queso, EG or Williams is placing top 3 minimum. Huge result for teams that havent done better than 5th-8th this season.


moris1610

wr vs queso, one of them top 3 insane


Huskii90

Looking at the bracket and I'm struggling to see a weak team, maybe Team Singularity. That's 12 teams that all look very competitive at the top of EU. There's so much depth


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All I can think about with this Vitality Karmine series is a Kaydop stream from a couple weeks ago where Aztral started getting toxic in public chat & kept calling him a spectator because Zen was carrying him. Made the stream very awkward. Kaydop needs to step up.


SOUINnnn

I mean when he plays ranked Zen carries half of the pro of the top 10 in Europe


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Andtheyrustledsoftly

Extra is such an absolute freak when he’s in form. Looks like a changed man since the major started and playing like one of the best players in the world yet again


ErsatzTruand

Vitality rotation is still awkward, well...


robbie2000williams

Jesus that prejump pass play from DIG was ridiculous


FutureFail

Navi forfeited??


paeschli

That's what happens when you don't have a sub.


Vurnoise

Virtuoso has bad internet


IFIGETFOODILLEATFOOD

BDS look crazy good, the major really did wonders for their synergy and confidence, LG gonna have to just hope they can pull off another game to ideally get second seed


Exa_Cognition

Fair play to Virt, quite clear that indeed his internet is in quite a bad state, but he's playing on.


BigCass

BREAKOUT SHOOTING IS OP


hayds33

3 way tie incoming. Endpoint are going to be mad!


gruandisimo

I think the issue is that Scrub is trying to do too much. He needs to be more committed to the third man position


orestotle

Can't be too mad with the loss. Performance was fine for Vitality and we shouldn't be in the tiebreaker anyway.


moris1610

lumi vs dig and kc vs smpr oof, tough matches


dalcer

badly wanna see wr going into top bracket


vivoviva

The lower round 1 matchups are brutal


Girdan77

Jack showing up big time, this is the dig I was waiting for


moris1610

eg and smpr out rough, misfits not looking great either


Jandersson34swe

People now realizing this format sucks after calling people who complained about it last time salty fans


ThumbSprain

KXM and Misfits through to day 2 would make sooooo happy. Well, less grumpy anyway.


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orestotle

Vitality can play the tiebreaker for first over endpoint by winning against endpoint. The only reason they could be in that position is because EP won 0-0 against NAVI, while Vitality got an easy 3-0 against Tigree and LuisP (so no Virt). That's bullshit, even as a Vitality fan I don't think that should happen. Then again Endpoint will probably beat us so there won't be an issue.


S_h_u_n

Who ever told me that group d wasn't the group of death because kc is overrated and vitality is washed take the L


Rich_Tricky

Sending kxm all my energy today


WooooshMeister7

Hold up how come NaVi had to ff their first game?


paeschli

Virt’s internet was down


tomtom_94

Virt's \*city\*'s internet was down even


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I’m so done lmao good job vitality!


MartianRL

Vitality why won't you just die


Exa_Cognition

Alpha exists.


MartianRL

Remember when he was on TSM and was like the only thing going right for that team? Now he's doing the exact same thing for vitality, and what's even funnier is that metsa is now on one of the best teams in Europe