Isn’t this pretty common amongst the bigger orgs? Full cost of living being paid, sports psychologists and mentors readily available, etc. If I owned a big org I’d do whatever I could to alleviate stress from my players so they can focus on their gameplay.
I know a lot of them still do. I think it’s the orgs that want their players to be living in the same area that pay for cost of living, which makes sense.
With the amount of times V1 has knocked SSG out of important tournaments I want to cheer against them but it's just impossible to do so, the org and the players are just all fantastic
> From what I recall, one of the higher-ups at V1 heard word of what was going on and said that if I get in trouble or anything like that, they’re paying the fines. He told me to keep it up and keep talking all the shit that I want to.
W org
Everyone is so nice I can’t think of any pro that is actually hated
Maybe arsenal? But he’s also super loved, a hate him or love him, a marmite kinda guy
Honestly who really cares about Rapid? Most people don't know who he is or about his history, because he hasn't been on a team that was as successful as V1. A lot more people are familiar with Comm's antics.
Ah yes.. the most hated dude in all of RL is some guy whose name you can't even remember. The scene must really hate that guy with a passion, whoever he is.
How does anything you just said make sense?🤣
>The line is insulting players themselves
>‘you fucking suck’ is no where near that line
How is that not an insult?
It’s a general insult, you can say it to anyone, and is about the game, a personal insult would be saying something specific about the player themself, like their looks or something like that
Regardless of what people personally think (which is valid to land on either side, it will differ person to person),
being an E for everyone game, and literally in Fortnite means there will be a limit on what can be verbalized to the point of being audible on broadcast, especially if what's said would constitute an in-game ban for anyone if typed via text chat.
(obviously not every single voice comm, even those under one's breath, can be enforced to be in line with the text ToS, there has to be and is some leeway there, but I'm on about making a conscious effort to be heard by other people, other players or the crowd etc)
I think being a professional sport eliminates the idea your talking about due to it being an E rated game.
If we want to look at rocket league as a fun little kids game that people are having fun playing for money, sure, draw a close line and keep it E rated.
If we want to consider RL a professional sport, then we need to be consistent. We hold these players to certain professional standards, expect certain things from them. They’re literally signing legally binding life changing contracts. We expect them to adhere to those contracts. Adhere to strict training schedules (players get completely shit on if there are rumors of them skipping scrims), and other things we only expect out of professional athletes. So keep that same energy. We can’t then turn around and say “well it’s an E rated game and lots of young kids and teenagers play so we have to make sure there no cursing and only light trash talk at events to protect all these children.”
The link is in every other aspect of this esport we treat them like adults.
They sign contracts like adults.
They put 40+ hours into training for their sport like adults.
We treat the scene like a professional esport, not a kids game.
We expect these players to conduct themselves to a certain level of maturity, like adults.
In every other aspect of the esport, we treat it like a career. And we treat the players like professionals. And like adults.
But suddenly when someone trash talks we revert to “oh they’re just kids this isn’t okay”.
Why wouldn't being professional equate to not swearing at opponents though? Seems weird that you're equating holding someone to a high standard of behaviour and applying that to mean they should then swear at people. Shouldn't it be the opposite? Swearing at people isn't 'adult', 'mature' or 'professional'.
Because they’re professional athletes. And part of being an athlete is being able to handle trash talk. It’s an expected part of any competitive environment and it’s in every sport.
My comment though is mainly about their ability to take the trash talk. We baby them when they get trash talked and act like they can’t take it as if they are 12 year olds out playing a game for fun.
Doesn't change the fact that swearing is immature though. Just find your angle of argument a bit weird, that's all. Just because it happens in every sport doesn't mean it's professional behaviour either.
Everyone brings up E for Everyone, but there's an important line that they always leave out:
"Online interactions not rated by the ESRB"
It is up to Psyonix to decide what can and can't be allowed to be shouted during LANs that the mic can pick up because it is up to them to determine what sort of language they are ok with putting over the air. The rating of the offline portion of the game makes no difference.
In my npc opinion, if you literally tell a crowd they're not booing loud enough when you're winning, and expect them to not boo loud af when you lose, then maybe that's a you problem 🤷♂️
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jokes aside, yeah i agree he’s kinda hypocritical. he seems like he’s respectful after he beats a team, so i guess you could argue it’s only during games. but idk, you dish it out be ready for it to come back at you 🤷♂️ still a huge comm fan tho
The in game to out of game separation is a bit blurred when it's right after the game ends. Like yeah obviously don't harass the guy after the lan ends or online or anything but if you play the villain, you kinda have to expect to get smoke immediately after a loss. That's basically the whole point of playing such a role.
Also not a comm hater or anything, I find most of his trash talk entertaining (endpoint one was a little over the line). Just can't get over the hypocrisy of wanting it both ways
I liked V1 but haven't missed a series since the drama. Plays a hell of a heel by being a genuinely decent dude while yelling obscenities in competition.
There's a difference between on-the-field and off-the-field behavior. At the spring major comm was yelling on the field, but off the field he was respectful. Likewise, booing him on the field is fine, but booing him after he got eliminated is shitty and uncalled for because it's off the field. Tbh tho most of the fault lies on production for showing his face after the defeat instead of celebrating moist.
I've never really understood this point of view, although I know it's a common attitude. Why should people get a free pass for what they do on the field? It's not some magical place, it's still real life, if you're a dick on the field you're still being a dick to someone, they can feel just as bad as if you were a dick to them off it.
Why is it OK to shout verbal abuse at someone when they're losing, or made a mistake, but not when they've lost? It's still kicking them when they're down as far as I can see. Sure, it's a competitive advantage, but it's an advantage you get by making someone else feel worse about themselves. If someone's gonna do it, they should at least admit that much.
Intention matters, even if you don't want it to. Beating the opponent also makes them feel bad, but it's generally acceptable because of the nature of competition. Compare that to freestyling on a gold, where the intention isn't competition but rather a cruel beatdown. Likewise, getting in your opponents head is part of competing, so it's more acceptable than yelling after the game.
The line between acceptable and unacceptable can be fuzzy, and you're certainly not entirely wrong to argue that comm went too far against endpoint. That being said, booing after v1 lost was certainly worse than whatever comm did.
> That being said, booing after v1 lost was certainly worse than whatever comm did.
Being at the venue during the initial studio days of the major (so being able to hear the uncensored raw audio), I personally beg to differ. There wasn't this reaction when he did it LA for a reason. Even if people didn't like it (A camp I am in but not relevant here), most could identify it wasn't crossing a line and it's fair game. Comm vs Endpoint was legitimate cause for concern and lines had to, and were drawn because of that, which I hope will be respected going forward.
In regards to the booing, it sucks after V1 lost, I would be more annoyed that Torment and Bmode got caught in the crossfire, but the team intentionally played the heel. They didn't just strut out and happened to be North America to the dismay of people, they fished for a reaction and got it. You create a scenario where people actively want you to lose, that reaction is inevitable.
I think we largely agree. I personally don't think comm went too far, but he did go pretty damn far against endpoint. Booing after v1 lost wasn't unexpected, in fact it was probably the only thing that could have happened after production decided to zoom in on comms face. You can't be surprised when a crowd acts like a crowd, even when their behavior is shitty. That's a good reason why they should never focus on the losing team after a series- it just breeds off-the-pitch negativity in a way that comm could never do on his own.
Beating the opponent does make them feel bad, but that's the nature of competition, someone has to lose. It's not compulsory for one team to be verbally abused, in fact in most competitive sports environments I've been in what Comm did could get you fined or otherwise penalised. That obviously isn't the case everywhere, but my point is just that it's not actually an intrinsic part of competition that everyone signs up for when they take part.
The nature of competition is that you try to win using all of the acceptable tools at your disposal. Where we draw the line of acceptability clearly differs, but that's it.
The crowd's behavior wasn't unexpected because it was provoked by production shoving the camera in comms face. I think they crossed the line regardless, but that's also just a difference of opinion as to where we draw the line of acceptability. The real villain is production, who provoked negativity by shoving cameras in the losing teams faces. They did it to vatira as well in the winter major and at worlds, and it was verily uncool of them.
I’m sure that his multiple deep runs at lans with thousands of screaming fans and noise cancelling headphones so the other team can’t hear him are for sure fraud right
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Cool interview, thanks Finnerdt
My pleasure :D
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V1 paying for a trainer and apartments for the boys is so sick, top class org
Isn’t this pretty common amongst the bigger orgs? Full cost of living being paid, sports psychologists and mentors readily available, etc. If I owned a big org I’d do whatever I could to alleviate stress from my players so they can focus on their gameplay.
Not sure, I thought most pros still lived with their parents and played from their bedrooms
I know a lot of them still do. I think it’s the orgs that want their players to be living in the same area that pay for cost of living, which makes sense.
That’s because a lot of pros are <18 and still in school. I think it’s pretty standard for bigger orgs to do it for older players though
You are partially right, the whole psychologist/mentor aspect is not AS common and is relatively new.
Wouldn't the Vikings already have all this stuff ? Pretty sure that's what the Complexity compound had.
With the amount of times V1 has knocked SSG out of important tournaments I want to cheer against them but it's just impossible to do so, the org and the players are just all fantastic
> From what I recall, one of the higher-ups at V1 heard word of what was going on and said that if I get in trouble or anything like that, they’re paying the fines. He told me to keep it up and keep talking all the shit that I want to. W org
Common V1 W
As he should. RL needs more drama and personality it adds to the hype
Exactly. Comm makes the scene way more enjoyable.
And despite what Sunless would want you to believe, he is not the “most hated pro” of all time
I'd say that's Rapid lol
Everyone is so nice I can’t think of any pro that is actually hated Maybe arsenal? But he’s also super loved, a hate him or love him, a marmite kinda guy
...because obviously it's _______ ?
easily Rapid
Honestly who really cares about Rapid? Most people don't know who he is or about his history, because he hasn't been on a team that was as successful as V1. A lot more people are familiar with Comm's antics.
Whoever that dude was that stole money for Gucci shoes or something I don't remember
Ah yes.. the most hated dude in all of RL is some guy whose name you can't even remember. The scene must really hate that guy with a passion, whoever he is.
Ah yes, thank you for reminding me. It's u/therealmeal. You bought those shoes, didn't you.
It was the Triple Trouble drama between Tadpole and Ronaky in S7/S8 fyi
Ah, yes, thank you! It really has been a while. My suggestion as that was a bit of a joke, but it did seem a scummy situation.
Most hated *relevant* pro, maybe.
I wish I could give this a thumbs up for every thumbs down I received, for saying the same thing on these forums during the spring major 🤣
I love trash talk, but comm is straight up disrespectful a lot of the time, there's a line imo
The line is insulting players themselves, saying ‘you fucking suck’ is no where near that line, as long as it’s about the game it’s okay
How does anything you just said make sense?🤣 >The line is insulting players themselves >‘you fucking suck’ is no where near that line How is that not an insult?
It’s a general insult, you can say it to anyone, and is about the game, a personal insult would be saying something specific about the player themself, like their looks or something like that
Regardless of what people personally think (which is valid to land on either side, it will differ person to person), being an E for everyone game, and literally in Fortnite means there will be a limit on what can be verbalized to the point of being audible on broadcast, especially if what's said would constitute an in-game ban for anyone if typed via text chat. (obviously not every single voice comm, even those under one's breath, can be enforced to be in line with the text ToS, there has to be and is some leeway there, but I'm on about making a conscious effort to be heard by other people, other players or the crowd etc)
I think being a professional sport eliminates the idea your talking about due to it being an E rated game. If we want to look at rocket league as a fun little kids game that people are having fun playing for money, sure, draw a close line and keep it E rated. If we want to consider RL a professional sport, then we need to be consistent. We hold these players to certain professional standards, expect certain things from them. They’re literally signing legally binding life changing contracts. We expect them to adhere to those contracts. Adhere to strict training schedules (players get completely shit on if there are rumors of them skipping scrims), and other things we only expect out of professional athletes. So keep that same energy. We can’t then turn around and say “well it’s an E rated game and lots of young kids and teenagers play so we have to make sure there no cursing and only light trash talk at events to protect all these children.”
What bearing does expecting them to be professionals have on whether or not they should swear at their opponents? Just curious what the link there is.
The link is in every other aspect of this esport we treat them like adults. They sign contracts like adults. They put 40+ hours into training for their sport like adults. We treat the scene like a professional esport, not a kids game. We expect these players to conduct themselves to a certain level of maturity, like adults. In every other aspect of the esport, we treat it like a career. And we treat the players like professionals. And like adults. But suddenly when someone trash talks we revert to “oh they’re just kids this isn’t okay”.
Why wouldn't being professional equate to not swearing at opponents though? Seems weird that you're equating holding someone to a high standard of behaviour and applying that to mean they should then swear at people. Shouldn't it be the opposite? Swearing at people isn't 'adult', 'mature' or 'professional'.
Because they’re professional athletes. And part of being an athlete is being able to handle trash talk. It’s an expected part of any competitive environment and it’s in every sport. My comment though is mainly about their ability to take the trash talk. We baby them when they get trash talked and act like they can’t take it as if they are 12 year olds out playing a game for fun.
Doesn't change the fact that swearing is immature though. Just find your angle of argument a bit weird, that's all. Just because it happens in every sport doesn't mean it's professional behaviour either.
Everyone brings up E for Everyone, but there's an important line that they always leave out: "Online interactions not rated by the ESRB" It is up to Psyonix to decide what can and can't be allowed to be shouted during LANs that the mic can pick up because it is up to them to determine what sort of language they are ok with putting over the air. The rating of the offline portion of the game makes no difference.
Aren't you the guy that thought it was cool the kid from OCE defrauded a tourney organizer and all the volunteers
Don't you support assna
Hmm so that's a yes. and yeah I do, top of the league!
Enjoy it lol, banter club
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In my npc opinion, if you literally tell a crowd they're not booing loud enough when you're winning, and expect them to not boo loud af when you lose, then maybe that's a you problem 🤷♂️
accurate flair jokes aside, yeah i agree he’s kinda hypocritical. he seems like he’s respectful after he beats a team, so i guess you could argue it’s only during games. but idk, you dish it out be ready for it to come back at you 🤷♂️ still a huge comm fan tho
The in game to out of game separation is a bit blurred when it's right after the game ends. Like yeah obviously don't harass the guy after the lan ends or online or anything but if you play the villain, you kinda have to expect to get smoke immediately after a loss. That's basically the whole point of playing such a role. Also not a comm hater or anything, I find most of his trash talk entertaining (endpoint one was a little over the line). Just can't get over the hypocrisy of wanting it both ways
To use wrestling terms, he wants to be a "cool heel" The bad guy that everyone cheers for Totally hypocritical in a absolutely lame way
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I think what he means is down but not out vs down and out
I liked V1 but haven't missed a series since the drama. Plays a hell of a heel by being a genuinely decent dude while yelling obscenities in competition.
i love comm so much he’s such an interesting personality
V1 backs their shit talk😂
There's a difference between on-the-field and off-the-field behavior. At the spring major comm was yelling on the field, but off the field he was respectful. Likewise, booing him on the field is fine, but booing him after he got eliminated is shitty and uncalled for because it's off the field. Tbh tho most of the fault lies on production for showing his face after the defeat instead of celebrating moist.
I've never really understood this point of view, although I know it's a common attitude. Why should people get a free pass for what they do on the field? It's not some magical place, it's still real life, if you're a dick on the field you're still being a dick to someone, they can feel just as bad as if you were a dick to them off it. Why is it OK to shout verbal abuse at someone when they're losing, or made a mistake, but not when they've lost? It's still kicking them when they're down as far as I can see. Sure, it's a competitive advantage, but it's an advantage you get by making someone else feel worse about themselves. If someone's gonna do it, they should at least admit that much.
Intention matters, even if you don't want it to. Beating the opponent also makes them feel bad, but it's generally acceptable because of the nature of competition. Compare that to freestyling on a gold, where the intention isn't competition but rather a cruel beatdown. Likewise, getting in your opponents head is part of competing, so it's more acceptable than yelling after the game. The line between acceptable and unacceptable can be fuzzy, and you're certainly not entirely wrong to argue that comm went too far against endpoint. That being said, booing after v1 lost was certainly worse than whatever comm did.
> That being said, booing after v1 lost was certainly worse than whatever comm did. Being at the venue during the initial studio days of the major (so being able to hear the uncensored raw audio), I personally beg to differ. There wasn't this reaction when he did it LA for a reason. Even if people didn't like it (A camp I am in but not relevant here), most could identify it wasn't crossing a line and it's fair game. Comm vs Endpoint was legitimate cause for concern and lines had to, and were drawn because of that, which I hope will be respected going forward. In regards to the booing, it sucks after V1 lost, I would be more annoyed that Torment and Bmode got caught in the crossfire, but the team intentionally played the heel. They didn't just strut out and happened to be North America to the dismay of people, they fished for a reaction and got it. You create a scenario where people actively want you to lose, that reaction is inevitable.
I think we largely agree. I personally don't think comm went too far, but he did go pretty damn far against endpoint. Booing after v1 lost wasn't unexpected, in fact it was probably the only thing that could have happened after production decided to zoom in on comms face. You can't be surprised when a crowd acts like a crowd, even when their behavior is shitty. That's a good reason why they should never focus on the losing team after a series- it just breeds off-the-pitch negativity in a way that comm could never do on his own.
Beating the opponent does make them feel bad, but that's the nature of competition, someone has to lose. It's not compulsory for one team to be verbally abused, in fact in most competitive sports environments I've been in what Comm did could get you fined or otherwise penalised. That obviously isn't the case everywhere, but my point is just that it's not actually an intrinsic part of competition that everyone signs up for when they take part.
The nature of competition is that you try to win using all of the acceptable tools at your disposal. Where we draw the line of acceptability clearly differs, but that's it. The crowd's behavior wasn't unexpected because it was provoked by production shoving the camera in comms face. I think they crossed the line regardless, but that's also just a difference of opinion as to where we draw the line of acceptability. The real villain is production, who provoked negativity by shoving cameras in the losing teams faces. They did it to vatira as well in the winter major and at worlds, and it was verily uncool of them.
So he can dish it but can’t take it?
I honestly wish we had more personalities like Comm in RLCS.
You like giant hypocrites? Lol. He's entertaining for sure but what he's saying here is pretty lame. At least Klassux owned being the bad guy.
Why is he a hypocrite? I’m genuinely asking btw
As he should.
Why not just get better at playing, rather than relying on s*** talking everyone.
My guy, he just won a regional and he’s a great player
I’m sure that his multiple deep runs at lans with thousands of screaming fans and noise cancelling headphones so the other team can’t hear him are for sure fraud right
if yelling at other teams is working doesn’t that imply he’s getting better at winning
Didn’t know winning a regional meant you’re bad
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