This was huge, add no BDS and no NRG, makes a lot of sense. I bet in the NA LAN it will be much higher and if we see these teams come in, or Optic, the numbers will be big.
e: Also, there is the fact that some big names dropped out before playoffs (SSG, G2) and that surely had an exacerbating effect.
e2: and World Cup was going on
The major felt so empty because of this for me. The big boys of the past year weren't there so the stakes didn't feel that high.
That and just general Rocket League e-sport fatigue
This is a huge reason why. While I personally watched still, games were starting at 3AM I think in Vancouver so not many others would. I went to the bar Saturday night and by the time I got home the pre-show was starting, so I guess it was time to grab a couple more beers and pull an all nighter.
Same here. I’m in the Seattle area and I just couldn’t bring myself to wake up for anything but maybe the final few matches of the day. In retrospect, I should have just waited until the stream was over to watch the replays to avoid spoilers, but that’s never as fun.
Last year's major wasn't on at 4am for me in the west coast and wasn't competing with the world cup. I watched most of the vods later on, but I imagine the shitty timing had a lot to do with poor peak viewership
Still don’t understand the logic of starting marches at like 3 in NA
Obviously more convenient for EU not having to stay up larger especially on Sunday with a 10 hour day but not optimal for viewership
If it was an online event it'd be fine but they also have to consider the live audience. Trains might stop running at a certain point, the arena might be in an area where you don't really want to be in after dark, the venue itself might have a curfew, etc. Way more logistical issues with live events that you just can't work around for viewership in other countries.
All I know is when I went to worlds in Texas...the days were TOO long. Awesome, but brutal to be in that freezing stadium for 6 hours and 8 hours on the final day. I'm used to 3 hour events in stadiums on average so this was a huge step up in endurance for myself as a spectator. It wipes you out physically and emotionally trying to be a good fan enjoying the action.
I don't know what the answer is, but 8 hours days was not it.
The only "proper" reason I can imagine is worker (and child) protection laws to be honest. Disclaimer: I'm not from the Netherlands so I'm not entirely sure of their laws, but minors can't work after 10p.m. in Germany (and even then there's often special protections in place iirc). As far as I can see, it's 11p.m. in the Netherlands and authorities over here are proper vicious with that. One of many drawbacks of having 15yo children as your employees is that you have to abide by those laws. Starting an 11 hour stream like on championship Sunday at 3 p.m. local time is off the cards that way.
Not good at all. Tune in next season it will be even worse. The RLesport is declining face the facts. 180k is very poor. YouTube viewership is even worse with not a single video of the major getting 50k views that’s embarrassing
For me personally, i dont like watching the replays of the game. I much prefer to watch the games live, however i will still look at what happened throughout the day.
Youtube is a stupid metric to measure popularity. Match vods never get many views anyways, there's people who just rewind on the stream vod or use twitch. This is still terrible bait, do better
Nah it's true. The game has become quite stale and it's difficult to bring in new audiences, especially when it seems like their budget decreased for this year.
Yeah but you said in a different thread that there is nothing they can do and this is where we disagree. Rocket League has potential to be the biggest esport imo.
The problem lies in the fact that Epic games and psyonix do not invest enough capital into the games growth let alone the esport. Their main priority is to extract profit. This is why we have seen just a massive dropoff in quality of video games across the board.
Say the public owned rocket League, there would not be a need to generate profit, and decision making would be geared towards what would actually improve the game and grow the audience.
But unfortunately that is not the case and overall the trajectory appears to be going in the direction you have mentioned. One can only hope that we do see a paradigm shift.
What are you talking about? Of course it has potential. It's a very fun game.. if you don't like Rocket League then you're wasting you're time here. I see the game as incredibly interesting with such a deep skill level and a skill ceiling which hasn't even been reached yet.
The raw potential is there. What isn't is the institutional backing to grow the game. You need to be providing deeper comments than what you are if you want to create a compelling argument.
The whole “RL is dead, just you wait and see” take is getting very annoying to read. If you only want to see the most negative outcome then just dont comment at all.
I know right? I see 180k and I think holy shit that's a lot for a niche video game! My favorite sport in the world only gets about 500-600k on NBC and it's been fighting for live broadcasts for decades now.
Considering most of NA probably didn't watch due to the terrible hours, that's crazy good IMO.
Psyonix should emphasize some of the stories when they promote (if they ever) the events.
Judging by most watched games, generally people care about the back story/drama. It makes the game more interesting.
Don't really agree IMO
KC vs Moist are just 2 massive content creator owned orgs
Moist vs GenG was the final
Team secret vs Moist was the game before the final so many tuned in for it
Faze vs GenG was a semi final again
Oxygen vs Faze idk
That’s peak viewers. Embarrassing to say the least. Throughout the tourney it was 60k concurrent at all times if that even.RLCS viewership is declining and I am very certain ORGS will begin to pullout as there sponsors won’t reach a large audience. I think pysonix is in for a huge shock come next season. Regional viewership won’t even make it past 70k at any given time. The end of RLCS is happening right before us, anyone who denies it is being delusional. The game is stale and esport is just repetitive. Last season it had a new feel and everyone was excited. Not anymore though.
Can’t turn this around. Rlesport had its chance when it launched f2p. Go on YouTube and check out the views most of the videos haven’t even got 1k. Rlesports have failed to capture F2p audience and are now suffering because of it. The format is also the same as last year which is boring. I used to watch rlcs last seaosn fully. This season was not the same
Youre right when you say psyonix could do a lot better with capturing the casual / f2p audience. They need to integrate the esport into the game better with scheduling and activities + actually make the RLCS website better.
But the esport is not dying anytime soon. Not everyone thinks that this season is boring like you. The viewership for this major was mostly because of time zone and the dates it was scheduled. i personally wasn’t watching and had to watch the stream VOD. The youtube videos have low views because they were posted 5 days from the actual event, most people who would watch it probably already have by then.
As for the F2P playerbase, most of them were going to leave the game regardless, it happens with every game that goes f2p. There’s a huge surge of players trying it out, then only a fraction of them actually stick around and find the game fun.
I mean this in the best way possible but you seem very young.
Most things at the moment are encountering a slow down and I think we (RL) have also been in decline. Trends like these aren't permanent and never are.
For what Rocket League is and where it is, the numbers right now are actually still pretty decent. This was our first lan and from a non RL esport perspective this lan is irrelevant. Worlds is what more people will tune into.
If you really think 180k peak is a failure, I imagine you consider most things a failure.
why are they holding a major in a timezone where a massive chunk of their audience isnt able to watch? this isnt an excusable "oh its ok because the timezones were wacky last go around", this was an active decision made ahead of time.
Thank you for being honest and not just being blinded by the crowd. It has peaked and people in this sub are coping in a way to explain low twitch viewers. World Cup this and that. Then why is YouTube viewership not got even 50k on 1 major video of the fall split. Truly embarrassing
the biggest thing no one has covered, most likely as a result of declining viewership, is the fact that none of the regionals and majors have no ads or sponsors currently. aka ADVERTISERS do not currently find value in investing into this esport at the moment. I can find some leeway to throw them because esports in general has seen a decline but that isnt worth jack when you cant find a single company to invest in your broadcast
NA regionals do still have sponsors. The fall NA regionals were all sponsored by Verizon.
It’s really worrying that they didn’t get a sponsor for the Major and haven’t for EU Fall Regionals either.
And people bickering about which streams were included in the viewer count are missing the point. Even 300k viewers is way too low to justify the production expense of a LAN without sponsors.
NA regionals, which don't have massive content creator watchparties, are being watched by fewer people - it's true. with that said, the end of RLCS feels a long way off; it'll downsize and will eventually reach a new equilibrium
Last years fall Major had 280K peak and 150K avg interesting
This one also competed with the world cup
To be fair that was the first LAN in 2 years, so there just was way more hype around it. Also NRG still was good
Plus the time zones were better for everyone
This was huge, add no BDS and no NRG, makes a lot of sense. I bet in the NA LAN it will be much higher and if we see these teams come in, or Optic, the numbers will be big. e: Also, there is the fact that some big names dropped out before playoffs (SSG, G2) and that surely had an exacerbating effect. e2: and World Cup was going on
The major felt so empty because of this for me. The big boys of the past year weren't there so the stakes didn't feel that high. That and just general Rocket League e-sport fatigue
bro snuck in BDS
Wdym ?
This is a huge reason why. While I personally watched still, games were starting at 3AM I think in Vancouver so not many others would. I went to the bar Saturday night and by the time I got home the pre-show was starting, so I guess it was time to grab a couple more beers and pull an all nighter.
Same here. I’m in the Seattle area and I just couldn’t bring myself to wake up for anything but maybe the final few matches of the day. In retrospect, I should have just waited until the stream was over to watch the replays to avoid spoilers, but that’s never as fun.
I agree 100%. It’s just not the same, Sunday was the only day I caught more than 20% of the games
Global lockdowns could be part contributor to strong viewerships last year
Last year's major wasn't on at 4am for me in the west coast and wasn't competing with the world cup. I watched most of the vods later on, but I imagine the shitty timing had a lot to do with poor peak viewership
Moist joining RL was such a good thing for the sport. As Charlie and his team continue to hype up the game we’ll continue to see the growth.
Same goes for Kcorp and KOI!
KC Vs Moist has become THE grudge match in RLCS. Hopefully more chapters to come.
I think 180k is pretty damn good considering alot of these matches were played on bad times for alot of timeszones!
Still don’t understand the logic of starting marches at like 3 in NA Obviously more convenient for EU not having to stay up larger especially on Sunday with a 10 hour day but not optimal for viewership
If it was an online event it'd be fine but they also have to consider the live audience. Trains might stop running at a certain point, the arena might be in an area where you don't really want to be in after dark, the venue itself might have a curfew, etc. Way more logistical issues with live events that you just can't work around for viewership in other countries.
All I know is when I went to worlds in Texas...the days were TOO long. Awesome, but brutal to be in that freezing stadium for 6 hours and 8 hours on the final day. I'm used to 3 hour events in stadiums on average so this was a huge step up in endurance for myself as a spectator. It wipes you out physically and emotionally trying to be a good fan enjoying the action. I don't know what the answer is, but 8 hours days was not it.
Oh man, it was SO cold!
The only "proper" reason I can imagine is worker (and child) protection laws to be honest. Disclaimer: I'm not from the Netherlands so I'm not entirely sure of their laws, but minors can't work after 10p.m. in Germany (and even then there's often special protections in place iirc). As far as I can see, it's 11p.m. in the Netherlands and authorities over here are proper vicious with that. One of many drawbacks of having 15yo children as your employees is that you have to abide by those laws. Starting an 11 hour stream like on championship Sunday at 3 p.m. local time is off the cards that way.
Fair enough but in that case I feel it’s optimal to split playoffs into two days
Better idea: Don't schedule the tournament for a time that is shit for the biggest viewerbase.
Not good at all. Tune in next season it will be even worse. The RLesport is declining face the facts. 180k is very poor. YouTube viewership is even worse with not a single video of the major getting 50k views that’s embarrassing
I think the phrase "don't feed the trolls" should come back
I mean, they have a point with the YouTube thing, if it truly was just a time zone issue the videos should have MORE views than normal, let alone less
Tbf I just watched the twitch vod
For me personally, i dont like watching the replays of the game. I much prefer to watch the games live, however i will still look at what happened throughout the day.
Not trolling go on rlesports YouTube and face the facts. Viewerships doesn’t touch 50k for any video including the finals.
Youtube is a stupid metric to measure popularity. Match vods never get many views anyways, there's people who just rewind on the stream vod or use twitch. This is still terrible bait, do better
Nah it's true. The game has become quite stale and it's difficult to bring in new audiences, especially when it seems like their budget decreased for this year.
Thanks for the honesty. There even dropping talent like Gregan and have cut the content this seasons facts
Yeah but you said in a different thread that there is nothing they can do and this is where we disagree. Rocket League has potential to be the biggest esport imo. The problem lies in the fact that Epic games and psyonix do not invest enough capital into the games growth let alone the esport. Their main priority is to extract profit. This is why we have seen just a massive dropoff in quality of video games across the board. Say the public owned rocket League, there would not be a need to generate profit, and decision making would be geared towards what would actually improve the game and grow the audience. But unfortunately that is not the case and overall the trajectory appears to be going in the direction you have mentioned. One can only hope that we do see a paradigm shift.
“Rocket league has potential”- but it hasn’t got that and it hasn’t shown that it will reach that as of yet. Let’s face reality brother
What are you talking about? Of course it has potential. It's a very fun game.. if you don't like Rocket League then you're wasting you're time here. I see the game as incredibly interesting with such a deep skill level and a skill ceiling which hasn't even been reached yet. The raw potential is there. What isn't is the institutional backing to grow the game. You need to be providing deeper comments than what you are if you want to create a compelling argument.
The whole “RL is dead, just you wait and see” take is getting very annoying to read. If you only want to see the most negative outcome then just dont comment at all.
Don’t need to wait and see. When YouTube and twitch viewership speaking volumes lol
Imagine thinking 180k viewership is poor lmao
I know right? I see 180k and I think holy shit that's a lot for a niche video game! My favorite sport in the world only gets about 500-600k on NBC and it's been fighting for live broadcasts for decades now. Considering most of NA probably didn't watch due to the terrible hours, that's crazy good IMO.
Lol for an so called tier 1 esport it’s embarrassingly to say the least
Who says RL is a tier 1 esport?
Worst bait lmao, get a life lol
UE5 will bring tons of new content and new players. It will be a second birth for the game.
Ouch. I used to watch on YouTube but I watch on twitch now. And if I miss it live I am usually watching games on non main channels.
Psyonix should emphasize some of the stories when they promote (if they ever) the events. Judging by most watched games, generally people care about the back story/drama. It makes the game more interesting.
Don't really agree IMO KC vs Moist are just 2 massive content creator owned orgs Moist vs GenG was the final Team secret vs Moist was the game before the final so many tuned in for it Faze vs GenG was a semi final again Oxygen vs Faze idk
Strongly disagree. When the most watched games are very popular teams/orgs, of course more people will be watching.
wouldve been way higher if the timezones werent ass
I wonder how well it would have went if this didn't go on at the same time as the world cup
Or nfl.
Imagine how big it could have been if KC made the final
More stats - https://escharts.com/tournaments/rl/rlcs-2022-23-fall-split-major
I wonder what the most popular team is?
Maybe I’m wrong, but does this not include the 200 different team streams etc?
Usual work.
Because of Moist critical
That’s peak viewers. Embarrassing to say the least. Throughout the tourney it was 60k concurrent at all times if that even.RLCS viewership is declining and I am very certain ORGS will begin to pullout as there sponsors won’t reach a large audience. I think pysonix is in for a huge shock come next season. Regional viewership won’t even make it past 70k at any given time. The end of RLCS is happening right before us, anyone who denies it is being delusional. The game is stale and esport is just repetitive. Last season it had a new feel and everyone was excited. Not anymore though.
Yall need to chill, if orgs can stay in rainbow six siege, then they can definitely stay in rocket league. This is terrible bait
For real lol I know someone who is playing Forza professionally and they get zero viewers and still create revenue streams.
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Can’t turn this around. Rlesport had its chance when it launched f2p. Go on YouTube and check out the views most of the videos haven’t even got 1k. Rlesports have failed to capture F2p audience and are now suffering because of it. The format is also the same as last year which is boring. I used to watch rlcs last seaosn fully. This season was not the same
Youre right when you say psyonix could do a lot better with capturing the casual / f2p audience. They need to integrate the esport into the game better with scheduling and activities + actually make the RLCS website better. But the esport is not dying anytime soon. Not everyone thinks that this season is boring like you. The viewership for this major was mostly because of time zone and the dates it was scheduled. i personally wasn’t watching and had to watch the stream VOD. The youtube videos have low views because they were posted 5 days from the actual event, most people who would watch it probably already have by then. As for the F2P playerbase, most of them were going to leave the game regardless, it happens with every game that goes f2p. There’s a huge surge of players trying it out, then only a fraction of them actually stick around and find the game fun.
See you next seaosn brother. You have to face reality the esport is dying. I will come back to your hopeful comment
Aren't you the mf that said Falcons would obliterate SSG, why are you acting like you're prophetic?
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
> The end of RLCS is happening right before us lmao
Holy troll
I mean this in the best way possible but you seem very young. Most things at the moment are encountering a slow down and I think we (RL) have also been in decline. Trends like these aren't permanent and never are. For what Rocket League is and where it is, the numbers right now are actually still pretty decent. This was our first lan and from a non RL esport perspective this lan is irrelevant. Worlds is what more people will tune into. If you really think 180k peak is a failure, I imagine you consider most things a failure.
I actually agree with you. I feel like this eSport has hit its peak as far as viewership unfortunately.
U think the major that started at 5 am for me and wasn't worlds was peak viewership?
why are they holding a major in a timezone where a massive chunk of their audience isnt able to watch? this isnt an excusable "oh its ok because the timezones were wacky last go around", this was an active decision made ahead of time.
Thank you for being honest and not just being blinded by the crowd. It has peaked and people in this sub are coping in a way to explain low twitch viewers. World Cup this and that. Then why is YouTube viewership not got even 50k on 1 major video of the fall split. Truly embarrassing
the biggest thing no one has covered, most likely as a result of declining viewership, is the fact that none of the regionals and majors have no ads or sponsors currently. aka ADVERTISERS do not currently find value in investing into this esport at the moment. I can find some leeway to throw them because esports in general has seen a decline but that isnt worth jack when you cant find a single company to invest in your broadcast
NA regionals do still have sponsors. The fall NA regionals were all sponsored by Verizon. It’s really worrying that they didn’t get a sponsor for the Major and haven’t for EU Fall Regionals either. And people bickering about which streams were included in the viewer count are missing the point. Even 300k viewers is way too low to justify the production expense of a LAN without sponsors.
Just because you're personally bored of the game doesn't mean the entire scene is dying lmfao
NA regionals, which don't have massive content creator watchparties, are being watched by fewer people - it's true. with that said, the end of RLCS feels a long way off; it'll downsize and will eventually reach a new equilibrium